This battle had everything. Scouting horses that could lay down, and kick to the face. Winged Hussars. Mounted pistoliers followed by a charge. Pike and shot. Flanking maneuvers and tactical retreats. A parting shot at the pursuing enemy. This was awesome! I wish Game of Thrones had this level of research, but alas.
So, to summarize, 1) the heavy Polish cavalry could not cross the river due to threat of Swedish guns 2) Polish Light cavalry (Tatars sent as a token of friendship by the Khan to the Polish King) could ride much faster, so they crossed the river and engaged the first wave of heavy Swedish Cavalry. 3) the Swedes started shelling the river crossing to prevent Polish heavy cavalry from going over and helping the Tatars. Instead, Polish commander send a second group of Polish light cavalry to attack Swedish camp 4) the second wave of the heavy Swedish cavalry started to advance on the Tatars, who retreat toward the river crossing . 5) At the river, Tatars turned left and right, forcing the pursuing Swedes to enter the river (they were too heavy to turn as fast as the light Tatars). 6) Seeing the Swedish riders inadvertently entering the river, Swedish commander halted the artillery's barrage. 7) Seeing the opportunity, the Polish commander ordered the hussars to engage in frontal assault. 8) Hussars charged and broke Swedish lines, pursued the survivors toward the camp, where they linked up with the light cavalry already attacking the camp.
The hussars were already outdated at that time and the modern Swedish army could not match themselves even though there was some resistance for a long time Hussars but this was not enough until the Common Moving furiously defeated the Swedes
These were actually essentially wars between two lines of the Swedish Vasa family. Fighting over who was king over whom. They should have fought the Russians instead.
Shame that Swedes and Poles killed each other in pointless wars which allowed their common enemy, Russia to defeat both of these countries a century after these events.
The war wasnt exactly pointless, the Swedish got what their wanted: riches of Poland. Swedish modern army simply to expensive and their economy couldn't hold it long if they not start looting other country. Swedish still a great power that could defeated Russia for next century until certain Karl decided that it was good to invade Russia.
I simply love this part 0:47 when Kmicic (Babinicz) spies on the Swedish Army: Horses were super important and well trained during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I love the fact that this movie also represents very well how important and well trained horses were in Poland.
Hulagu Mongke Yet it was Poland who repelled the Islamic Invasion From Going any further into Europe at the Siege Of Vienna. Plus Poland had some of the best cavalry units in all Europe at the time.
Hulagu Mongke Try facing Three European Nations colliding on you with no help which was the case with Poland Against the Prussians, Austrians and the Russians who conquered and divided Poland between themselves and remained that way until the end of WW1 even then we were under threat by the Soviet invaders in 1919-1920 and then were Invaded by the Germans and The Soviets in 1939 like I said try to fight an enemy on multiple fronts will lead to failure. And it was France and Britain who Left Poland Behind the Iron Curtain with The Tyrant Stalin.
Hulagu Mongke Really? Poland Ethnicity Cleaned the Ukrainians? When The Ukrainians and Polish During The Soviet and German Occupations were Friendly Neighbors until the Germans inspired nationalists like the UPA To Slaughter Innocent Ethnics Because they Wanted Ukraine Purely Ukrainian every Hear about the massacres in Woyłn? And Voulhunia? Where is You evidence that the Poles Ethnicity Cleansed the Ukrainians? Because that seems outlandish because during the Soviet Invasion Of Eastern Europe The Ukrainians Fought with the Polish Armies to Push Back the Advancing Soviets. Besides you Fucking EU Dickriders claim that Poland should let the refugees in but look at all the terrorism and killing that’s happening in the countries that have open borders. And Quite Frankly I don’t blame Poland she all ways has been weary to foreigners because like I said Poland’s Neighbors Love to Invade and Where’s Poland’s Reparations after WWII? And The Other Countries within Eastern Europe? And Before you Say the Soviets took care of it they stole the natural resources from The Eastern Bloc and Sent Them back to Russia and Oppressed The People Like under The German Occupation. And The Munich Crisis... I’ll give you that was uncalled for and unprofessional but in all honesty when has any country at any time Respected a nations Borders? Because at one every country at one or another every country was invaded by someone else I’m I right? I’m not defending Poland for Invading Czechoslovakia I’m saying how Every Country At one time or another was annexed or invaded by a Second or Third Party.
"Pikemen formation not being dense enough" It doesn't even matter since the Polish Winged hussar Lances unlike what is shown in the film are actually longer than any Pike and so it would not matter and Polish horses we're specially trained and only one species of Horse, the strongest and it was trained for many years to make it fearless.
Tak ale to byly czasy jak husaria byla juz przestarzala bardzo. Nadawala sie co najwyzej na buntownikow czy jakis tatarow. Natomiast szewcja miala wtedy chyba najlepsza armie. Nowoczesna. Pelno armat. Pelno muszkieterow.
The only thing that kinda irritated me, were those overgrown wings on the Hussards backs. They were WERE big...but not SO big & tall - in fact shorter and bent. PS. Just a quote from the director (Jerzy Hoffman) as I remembered it: "Back then there was no such thing, as computerized special-effects and we learned something very quickly! When you mass so many horses in a restricted place, and start a charge, the earth starts TREMBLING - and that trembling and vibrating resonates so deeply and so hard, it was almost impossible to take a shot, without specially constructed stabilizers for the cameras, plus we could take one or two shots at most, because another thing we didn't know at the time, learning only as we proceeded, is that a cavalry charge turns the grass of the step into MUD - it literally turns the hard step, full of grass, into something urecognizable anymore. Because of it all we took the the decision to shoot all the charge in one sequence with multiple cameras and POV's and then somehow edit it, AND YET! - all this scene was possible only thanks to the skills of the extras on horses. If it wasn't for their ability to ride and - at time - even fake a fall, while being dragged by those horses, we could never make such a scene. We took way too much risks." Imagine doing a scene like that TODAY.
it can be consider as a part of 30 years war... Well maybe consider as a revange for supporting the Habsburgs with reinforcements... Oficially Commonwealth (RON) was neutral. In fact we send 10000 of light cavalry (lisowczycy)
And thus came charging towards the call of battle, thunderously & inexorably, the Polish-Lithuanian Winged Hussars ((perhaps the greatest heavy cavalry of all time & the finest military formation to take to the field of battle throughout the whole sweep of the 1600's!))🇵🇱 🇵🇱😜😜😀☺👍
The hussars were already outdated at that time and the modern Swedish army could not match themselves even though there was some resistance for a long time Hussars but this was not enough until the Common Moving furiously defeated the Swedes
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Usually you would expected the Pike and shoot tactics would work but no you can't hold against an army that twice your number with most of them were heavy cav and horse archers. It's like when the Parthian army annihilated the Roman forces.
Yes, crimean tatars, although we had and still have our Lipka tatars who wee fighting as a part of a light cavalry. Very loyal and great patriots of Poland. They appeared on our lands during the Genghis Khan invasions.
Yeah, because a Pike is good at a distance with many of those said pikes, but become near useless in close quarters. Horses are actually smart enough to figure out NOT to run into a dense formation of men with sharp pointy things, and thus rear up before getting hit, nullifying the cavalry's effectiveness.
No - it wouldn't. Check yourself out "The Battle Of Kircholm" - it's a classic example. You can bet on the fact they COULDN'T stand any attack - not if they haven't previously fortified their positions, the infantry of that time simply had no strenght to resist in an open - FLAT field to a charge against THAT TYPE of cavalry - trust me. Once the "Pancerni" (or "armoured") and the Hussards were on the other side of the river they were FUCKED. ...and - actually - those horses were specifically TRAINED TO SMASH INTO any "dense formation" - the more the better - eases their job. Ever held an infantry-pike in your hands? Tell me - how much can you hold it DOWN, until you loose control over it? Well - this cavalry was spefically designed for smashing STRAIGHT INTO pikemen's formations. Their "linijka" or...how to say say? ...let's go with "war-lance" was LONGER than the infantrymen's "pike" and - most of all - it was BALANCED to be held horizontally. So let's assume you dense the the pikemen formation, their lances would still go through you like a hot butter through knife - the rest of the job was done by the "koncerz", and the weight of the horse, and you be suffocating in mud, before even knowing what happened. The only true defense was to meet them from behind a mud or earth fortification - OR - you could chain your wagons together and held them at bay with your musketeers (if they were any truly good shot - "Cossack style"!...) ...like this?... as soon as you let them went over that river you were as good as dead... which was kinda the whole poiint of this movie, but I highly doubt it went all as simple as that.
After Battle of Kircholm the sweedish infantry realized that the pike of infantry were shorter than drzewka (more less the lances) od winged hussars. Its only a film and i understand that it would be very difficult to make it real in the film at the begining of '70... In real battlefield both of formations vere veru "tight". The winged hussars were attacking in spread formation (to avoid musket volley) just to be very tight moments before the clash. Check the history;)
Probably, but this scene had no CGI. You don't want to ACTUALLY trample your extras while filming a scene. And one of the thing about hussars' effectiveness was specific manufacturing of the lance, which would be very long without breaking or sagging towards the earth. One of the primary reasons they remained effective as shock cavalry in a time where shock cavalry's days of glory seemed to be largely fading.
Normal cavalry it would work, but not with hussaria charging. Inf pike at a time was 3-4 meters long, hussar lance was 5-6 m. Longest original saved is 6.20m. Also this film really tried to be historical accurate but when comes to hussars they fail. I don't blame them. To use 3m spear from horse you need day or two. To use 5 meter lance you need significant training. There is no more hussars :( They couldn't find enough of riders to make this scene like it should be. You can tell by on simple detail - hussars bottom of lance put into small basket which was by letter rope attached to saddle. When hussar charged momentum was not from rider but from horse. In historic chronicles there is plenty of mentions that they stuffed 3 soldiers on lance, most recorded one was 6 people in one charge. Strength of lance with stiff attached to a horse is terrifying one. People underestimate this simple weapon. Thing is you need extensive training to be able to do that.
This movie needs to be seen on big screen! I have a remastered Bluray and watching this on big screen was so great I almost grabbed my own szabla at certain moments 😂
Niezły filmik , brawo :) a jak ktoś chce posłuchać o historii polskiej szabli z tamtego okresu i nie tylko zapraszam tu jest więcej - szablotłuk polski
@@Vulturefist yeah, more likely. Both kislev and empire are using early modern technology and tactics, while brettonian are stuck in their 'typical crusader knight'.
Wasn't the battle won by the Swedish and Prussian troops? Total 80,000 Polish troops including 20,000 Krim Tartar, 1,200 Husars (the famous winged ones) and 13,000 noble ones - casualties about 3,000 troops and 39 cannons. They fought against 18,000 Swedish and Prussian troops (9,500 Swedish and 8,500 Prussian) who had a total of 700 casualties. After the battle, that lasted for 3 days, the city of Warsaw was ransacked by the Swedish-Prussian Alliance. It was actually the audacity of Karl Gustav of Sweden and the alertness to detail on the battle field and standing power of Friedrich Willhelm of Prussia that won the Battle on the 3rd day. Though when you see this movie segment it gives you the impression that the Swedish were killed like flies and troops fled in disarray and in panic, while actually the opposite took place. Nevertheless the movie has some great fighting scenes and a rich portrait of the different troops and their fighting cultures on both sides, nice to watch as such.
What the heck u talking about? We demolished sweds in this battle, swedes were in full witdraw already, harrased and beated.. Anyway, their invasion weakened Poland badly, since Poland was in war with Russia, Prussia, Turkey and Valahia, same time.
to answer your question, no it wasn't won by swedish, prussian, traitor radziwil. hahahaha! How did you come up with all this nonsense???!!! are we talking about the same battle? this is not a cheap propaganda movie, it is a great movie based on great trilogy books based on historical events in 17th. century Polish-Commonwealth. If you get a chance, watch the movie potop/the deluge or at least 10 min. prior to the battle where swedish army is already marching and marching confused and demoralized hoping that cannons and radziwil will be the difference maker.
I think you have a mistake here, this happened in porotski when the Polish-tatar troops defeated the Swedish-prussian troops and what came after that was the looting of Prussia which was nominaly a vassal of Poland but make guaranteed by Sweden.
*Fun fact:* Hussar cavalry won all those battles just for modern Polish to destroy what those soldiers were fighting for, because of an absurd ideology of two men. A priest and a politic.
Why watch then? But then, history might not be your strong point. You haven't heard, I suppose, that during this campaign, as an ally to Denmark-Norway, Stefan Czarnecki (Polish general), with his troops, went on to capture the Kolding castle (Denmark) on December 25th, 1658, when the Swedish forces were occupying it. Also, not to mention the battle of Nyborg on the Danish Island of Funen and the charge of Polish Hussaria, on November 14, 1659. Some interesting stuff, bro, worth checking out, for history lovers only.
@@nobodycares9494 And then 60% of Polands population was killed, all of Polands treasure was carried off to Swedish museums and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth declined and ultimately was partitioned up and erased off the map. But you won some battles, wow.
@@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105 Correct, but you live in a moment, and you don't know what the future brings. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall. None of the ancient kingdoms is in existence today. Poland had internal problems, and its expiration was on the horizon. Mind you, the partitions were the result of a bunch of nobles (like today's elites) who sold Poland for profit, and yes, the wars Poland was involved in (not only with the Swedes but primarily with Ottomans, over one million of the native population was lost to Ottomans, so I don't know about 60% loss in population to Swedes, the number was also very big, too much ) were a huge blow. Today's elites do just the same in each country of the globe as we speak; they currently sell nations and for very little. With the Polish treasure stored safely in Sweden, from today's perspective, it can be called a bitter-sweet benefit because these would be lost during partitions and, if not, during WWII for sure. At least we can have access to Polish medieval literature in the Swedish museums. And yet, again, we don't know what the future will bring. The tables might need to be reversed, and perhaps Poland will need to keep other's treasures for safekeeping. Personally, I wouldn't want that to happen, but I am not very optimistic about what I see in the neighboring countries, to the North, West, East, and South. Regards!
@@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105That's not propaganda, the battle of Prostki was won by the Polish side. Sure, the Deluge was devastating, but actually, less than 60% of the population was killed, and certainly not all Polish treasures were carried off to Sweden, cause Muscovy was at war with the Commonwealth at that time too. Next, the decline of the Commonwealth did not happen that quickly cause not long after that devastating war, Poland achieved huge victories in wars with the Ottomans.
They only Cringe here - is your comment. This battle is written in history. This novel and movie based on it just tell's us this story. And yes, all the Deluge was a tragic in consequences to the commonwealth. Still, its a part of the European history. How can you call it propaganda ? Shame on you for your ignorance.
This battle had everything. Scouting horses that could lay down, and kick to the face. Winged Hussars. Mounted pistoliers followed by a charge. Pike and shot. Flanking maneuvers and tactical retreats. A parting shot at the pursuing enemy. This was awesome!
I wish Game of Thrones had this level of research, but alas.
The moment they put all soldier outside of the wall in the dark it over 🤣🤣. Best tatic ever
Martin books
Warsaw pact movies had it easier. The productions of such movies could ask army generals for troops to play extras...
Fuck game of thrones, this is real history
And the best sword fight I ever seen in any movie. It's the most realistic fight according to sword fighting experts. This movie it truly spectacular.
this is a movie from 1974, just wtf are modern movies doing?
this battle scene is pretty epic comparing to today standards
the movie has other just as good scenes but too badly it doesn't have english subtitles
Bohun and Pan Jan are having an affair
Selling out their art to corporate shills
They are too occupied with inclusion and diversity.
So, to summarize,
1) the heavy Polish cavalry could not cross the river due to threat of Swedish guns
2) Polish Light cavalry (Tatars sent as a token of friendship by the Khan to the Polish King) could ride much faster, so they crossed the river and engaged the first wave of heavy Swedish Cavalry.
3) the Swedes started shelling the river crossing to prevent Polish heavy cavalry from going over and helping the Tatars. Instead, Polish commander send a second group of Polish light cavalry to attack Swedish camp
4) the second wave of the heavy Swedish cavalry started to advance on the Tatars, who retreat toward the river crossing .
5) At the river, Tatars turned left and right, forcing the pursuing Swedes to enter the river (they were too heavy to turn as fast as the light Tatars).
6) Seeing the Swedish riders inadvertently entering the river, Swedish commander halted the artillery's barrage.
7) Seeing the opportunity, the Polish commander ordered the hussars to engage in frontal assault.
8) Hussars charged and broke Swedish lines, pursued the survivors toward the camp, where they linked up with the light cavalry already attacking the camp.
Commander was Lithuanian nobleman Bogusław Radziwiłł.
@ 6:55 A well trained battle horse! Punches its front hooves right in the adversaries face.
lol lol lol
Lmao 😂
horse like that was worth moore than vilage
Insane attention to details. It's more impressive than 99% of modern movie battles.
One of my favorite battle scenes that were made for the screens. The Deluge (1974) honestly deserves more international recognition.
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
The hussars were already outdated at that time and the modern Swedish army could not match themselves even though there was some resistance for a long time Hussars but this was not enough until the Common Moving furiously defeated the Swedes
@@talusn9405 wow thats absolutely not true :O could you take your cheap propaganda somewhere else pls
Behold the amount of extras who have come to part-take in the battle👀, fucking awesome.
Thousands
Some of them were soviet cavalery units
These were actually essentially wars between two lines of the Swedish Vasa family. Fighting over who was king over whom. They should have fought the Russians instead.
Exactly! At the end both lost to the Russians. Now 400yrs later we have a chance to reverse it!
Shame that Swedes and Poles killed each other in pointless wars which allowed their common enemy, Russia to defeat both of these countries a century after these events.
what is wrong with white people fighting each other
Russia had a better culture for empire building. That's why Russia dominated both.
@@levvy3006 Russia had more manpower. That's the only reason why.
The war wasnt exactly pointless, the Swedish got what their wanted: riches of Poland. Swedish modern army simply to expensive and their economy couldn't hold it long if they not start looting other country. Swedish still a great power that could defeated Russia for next century until certain Karl decided that it was good to invade Russia.
@@levvy3006 Poland was too destroyed after this war, 40% of Polish population died
I simply love this part 0:47 when Kmicic (Babinicz) spies on the Swedish Army:
Horses were super important and well trained during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I love the fact that this movie also represents very well how important and well trained horses were in Poland.
Poland-lithuanian commenwealth armies & tatar armies vs kingdom of sweden in the battle of prostki.
Polish tatars ( lipka tatars ) are originally from crimean khanate and kazan khanate.
Hulagu Mongke Yet it was Poland who repelled the Islamic Invasion From Going any further into Europe at the Siege Of Vienna. Plus Poland had some of the best cavalry units in all Europe at the time.
Hulagu Mongke and Where were the British and French when the Soviet put Poland behind the Iron Curtain?
Hulagu Mongke Try facing Three European Nations colliding on you with no help which was the case with Poland Against the Prussians, Austrians and the Russians who conquered and divided Poland between themselves and remained that way until the end of WW1 even then we were under threat by the Soviet invaders in 1919-1920 and then were Invaded by the Germans and The Soviets in 1939 like I said try to fight an enemy on multiple fronts will lead to failure. And it was France and Britain who Left Poland Behind the Iron Curtain with The Tyrant Stalin.
Hulagu Mongke Really? Poland Ethnicity Cleaned the Ukrainians? When The Ukrainians and Polish During The Soviet and German Occupations were Friendly Neighbors until the Germans inspired nationalists like the UPA To Slaughter Innocent Ethnics Because they Wanted Ukraine Purely Ukrainian every Hear about the massacres in Woyłn? And Voulhunia? Where is You evidence that the Poles Ethnicity Cleansed the Ukrainians? Because that seems outlandish because during the Soviet Invasion Of Eastern Europe The Ukrainians Fought with the Polish Armies to Push Back the Advancing Soviets. Besides you Fucking EU Dickriders claim that Poland should let the refugees in but look at all the terrorism and killing that’s happening in the countries that have open borders. And Quite Frankly I don’t blame Poland she all ways has been weary to foreigners because like I said Poland’s Neighbors Love to Invade and Where’s Poland’s Reparations after WWII? And The Other Countries within Eastern Europe? And Before you Say the Soviets took care of it they stole the natural resources from The Eastern Bloc and Sent Them back to Russia and Oppressed The People Like under The German Occupation. And The Munich Crisis... I’ll give you that was uncalled for and unprofessional but in all honesty when has any country at any time Respected a nations Borders? Because at one every country at one or another every country was invaded by someone else I’m I right? I’m not defending Poland for Invading Czechoslovakia I’m saying how Every Country At one time or another was annexed or invaded by a Second or Third Party.
Did i spot some winged hussars arriving?
Beautiful movie. They don't make them like this especially in European countries anymore.
"Pikemen formation not being dense enough"
It doesn't even matter since the Polish Winged hussar Lances unlike what is shown in the film are actually longer than any Pike and so it would not matter and Polish horses we're specially trained and only one species of Horse, the strongest and it was trained for many years to make it fearless.
Tak ale to byly czasy jak husaria byla juz przestarzala bardzo. Nadawala sie co najwyzej na buntownikow czy jakis tatarow. Natomiast szewcja miala wtedy chyba najlepsza armie. Nowoczesna. Pelno armat. Pelno muszkieterow.
Slava Polska!
Well finally a scene from Potop that isn't the duel.
The only thing that kinda irritated me, were those overgrown wings on the Hussards backs. They were WERE big...but not SO big & tall - in fact shorter and bent. PS. Just a quote from the director (Jerzy Hoffman) as I remembered it: "Back then there was no such thing, as computerized special-effects and we learned something very quickly! When you mass so many horses in a restricted place, and start a charge, the earth starts TREMBLING - and that trembling and vibrating resonates so deeply and so hard, it was almost impossible to take a shot, without specially constructed stabilizers for the cameras, plus we could take one or two shots at most, because another thing we didn't know at the time, learning only as we proceeded, is that a cavalry charge turns the grass of the step into MUD - it literally turns the hard step, full of grass, into something urecognizable anymore. Because of it all we took the the decision to shoot all the charge in one sequence with multiple cameras and POV's and then somehow edit it, AND YET! - all this scene was possible only thanks to the skills of the extras on horses. If it wasn't for their ability to ride and - at time - even fake a fall, while being dragged by those horses, we could never make such a scene. We took way too much risks." Imagine doing a scene like that TODAY.
That was a STUPID war - I mean - COMPLETELY IDIOTIC and senseless. Benefitted NO SIDE and gave only strenght to the Moscovites.
it can be consider as a part of 30 years war... Well maybe consider as a revange for supporting the Habsburgs with reinforcements... Oficially Commonwealth (RON) was neutral. In fact we send 10000 of light cavalry (lisowczycy)
if only the Polish-Swedish Union had worked out...
Indeed..
Well swedes started it, Poland had to fight back to protect themselves.
The Polish betrayed the Cossacks right after this war. Poland had it coming.
And thus came charging towards the call of battle, thunderously & inexorably, the Polish-Lithuanian Winged Hussars ((perhaps the greatest heavy cavalry of all time & the finest military formation to take to the field of battle throughout the whole sweep of the 1600's!))🇵🇱 🇵🇱😜😜😀☺👍
Gołas jako Czarniecki, bohater, hetman i wybawca Polski :) !!!!!!!!!!! Albo jako hetman litewski Wincenty Gosiewski :) !
Listen to Winged Hussars by Sabaton during the charge. It makes everything better.
The hussars were already outdated at that time and the modern Swedish army could not match themselves even though there was some resistance for a long time Hussars but this was not enough until the Common Moving furiously defeated the Swedes
Sabaton suck
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Usually you would expected the Pike and shoot tactics would work but no you can't hold against an army that twice your number with most of them were heavy cav and horse archers. It's like when the Parthian army annihilated the Roman forces.
Tatars?
Yes, crimean tatars, although we had and still have our Lipka tatars who wee fighting as a part of a light cavalry. Very loyal and great patriots of Poland. They appeared on our lands during the Genghis Khan invasions.
@@dumnylach Lipka tatars still exist today?
@@dumnylach Lipki tatars
9:48 interesting that the Swedish pikemen didn't stand in a denser formation, which would be more likely to stop the Polish heavy cavalry.
Yeah, because a Pike is good at a distance with many of those said pikes, but become near useless in close quarters. Horses are actually smart enough to figure out NOT to run into a dense formation of men with sharp pointy things, and thus rear up before getting hit, nullifying the cavalry's effectiveness.
No - it wouldn't. Check yourself out "The Battle Of Kircholm" - it's a classic example. You can bet on the fact they COULDN'T stand any attack - not if they haven't previously fortified their positions, the infantry of that time simply had no strenght to resist in an open - FLAT field to a charge against THAT TYPE of cavalry - trust me. Once the "Pancerni" (or "armoured") and the Hussards were on the other side of the river they were FUCKED. ...and - actually - those horses were specifically TRAINED TO SMASH INTO any "dense formation" - the more the better - eases their job. Ever held an infantry-pike in your hands? Tell me - how much can you hold it DOWN, until you loose control over it? Well - this cavalry was spefically designed for smashing STRAIGHT INTO pikemen's formations. Their "linijka" or...how to say say? ...let's go with "war-lance" was LONGER than the infantrymen's "pike" and - most of all - it was BALANCED to be held horizontally. So let's assume you dense the the pikemen formation, their lances would still go through you like a hot butter through knife - the rest of the job was done by the "koncerz", and the weight of the horse, and you be suffocating in mud, before even knowing what happened. The only true defense was to meet them from behind a mud or earth fortification - OR - you could chain your wagons together and held them at bay with your musketeers (if they were any truly good shot - "Cossack style"!...) ...like this?... as soon as you let them went over that river you were as good as dead... which was kinda the whole poiint of this movie, but I highly doubt it went all as simple as that.
After Battle of Kircholm the sweedish infantry realized that the pike of infantry were shorter than drzewka (more less the lances) od winged hussars. Its only a film and i understand that it would be very difficult to make it real in the film at the begining of '70... In real battlefield both of formations vere veru "tight". The winged hussars were attacking in spread formation (to avoid musket volley) just to be very tight moments before the clash. Check the history;)
Probably, but this scene had no CGI. You don't want to ACTUALLY trample your extras while filming a scene. And one of the thing about hussars' effectiveness was specific manufacturing of the lance, which would be very long without breaking or sagging towards the earth. One of the primary reasons they remained effective as shock cavalry in a time where shock cavalry's days of glory seemed to be largely fading.
Normal cavalry it would work, but not with hussaria charging. Inf pike at a time was 3-4 meters long, hussar lance was 5-6 m. Longest original saved is 6.20m. Also this film really tried to be historical accurate but when comes to hussars they fail. I don't blame them. To use 3m spear from horse you need day or two. To use 5 meter lance you need significant training. There is no more hussars :( They couldn't find enough of riders to make this scene like it should be. You can tell by on simple detail - hussars bottom of lance put into small basket which was by letter rope attached to saddle. When hussar charged momentum was not from rider but from horse. In historic chronicles there is plenty of mentions that they stuffed 3 soldiers on lance, most recorded one was 6 people in one charge. Strength of lance with stiff attached to a horse is terrifying one. People underestimate this simple weapon. Thing is you need extensive training to be able to do that.
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I read Deluge when I was 10 years old and a few decades past since then. Am I wrong remembering that in the books, Hussars' horses were armored too?
Yes, they were....
for some reason i want to replay Cossack's.
This movie needs to be seen on big screen! I have a remastered Bluray and watching this on big screen was so great I almost grabbed my own szabla at certain moments 😂
Where can I watch this full movie? I can only find it on sketch websites
ua-cam.com/video/3l-9Y9CNW6E/v-deo.html
its on youtube (no subtitles tho)
Superb horsemanship of the tartars and poles. The swedish had more guns, but they'll never withstand the polish horses.
Niezły filmik , brawo :) a jak ktoś chce posłuchać o historii polskiej szabli z tamtego okresu i nie tylko zapraszam tu jest więcej - szablotłuk polski
Karabela Turkish sword.
Крутоооооооооо
Blitzkrieg...
Still way better than With Fire and Sword
Super film
Amor Patria Nostra Lex bracie
wouldnt the horses be very spooked by this?
No, they were trained for this.
Where are the cannon balls?
Though pikemen formation sucked that caracole were GOAT!
What an incredible display of horsemanship
acting in this would be sweet
empire vs brettonia
Adam Yusuf: Or perhaps Empire vs Kislev?
@@Vulturefist yeah, more likely. Both kislev and empire are using early modern technology and tactics, while brettonian are stuck in their 'typical crusader knight'.
Except cavalry lances are even longer than pikes so infantry gets no bonus and just gets fucked.
I don't see any Finnish heavy cavalry on the Swedish side?
Actually Finnish cavalry at that time was light cavalry and they were called hakkapeliittas
SLAVIC!!!!
tobias wildenhoff slavs & tatars vs kingdom of swedish.
I'm glad we're not obsessed with war anymore.
Wasn't the battle won by the Swedish and Prussian troops?
Total 80,000 Polish troops including 20,000 Krim Tartar, 1,200 Husars (the famous winged ones) and 13,000 noble ones - casualties about 3,000 troops and 39 cannons. They fought against 18,000 Swedish and Prussian troops (9,500 Swedish and 8,500 Prussian) who had a total of 700 casualties.
After the battle, that lasted for 3 days, the city of Warsaw was ransacked by the Swedish-Prussian Alliance.
It was actually the audacity of Karl Gustav of Sweden and the alertness to detail on the battle field and standing power of Friedrich Willhelm of Prussia that won the Battle on the 3rd day.
Though when you see this movie segment it gives you the impression that the Swedish were killed like flies and troops fled in disarray and in panic, while actually the opposite took place.
Nevertheless the movie has some great fighting scenes and a rich portrait of the different troops and their fighting cultures on both sides, nice to watch as such.
No read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prostki
What the heck u talking about? We demolished sweds in this battle, swedes were in full witdraw already, harrased and beated.. Anyway, their invasion weakened Poland badly, since Poland was in war with Russia, Prussia, Turkey and Valahia, same time.
to answer your question, no it wasn't won by swedish, prussian, traitor radziwil. hahahaha! How did you come up with all this nonsense???!!! are we talking about the same battle? this is not a cheap propaganda movie, it is a great movie based on great trilogy books based on historical events in 17th. century Polish-Commonwealth.
If you get a chance, watch the movie potop/the deluge or at least 10 min. prior to the battle where swedish army is already marching and marching confused and demoralized hoping that cannons and radziwil will be the difference maker.
I think you have a mistake here, this happened in porotski when the Polish-tatar troops defeated the Swedish-prussian troops and what came after that was the looting of Prussia which was nominaly a vassal of Poland but make guaranteed by Sweden.
No that was a diffrent battle
*Fun fact:* Hussar cavalry won all those battles just for modern Polish to destroy what those soldiers were fighting for, because of an absurd ideology of two men. A priest and a politic.
Bullshit.
XDDDDDDD Nawet nie potrafię tego inaczej skomentować. Weź te swoje prywatne polityczne wysrywy zachowaj dla siebie(apel z mojej strony)
dla mnie to cos niesamowitego ze w latach 70 mozna bylo zrobic taki film bez komputerowej animacji. Jestem Polakiem i jestem z tego dumny
Cringe Polack propaganda
Why watch then? But then, history might not be your strong point. You haven't heard, I suppose, that during this campaign, as an ally to Denmark-Norway, Stefan Czarnecki (Polish general), with his troops, went on to capture the Kolding castle (Denmark) on December 25th, 1658, when the Swedish forces were occupying it. Also, not to mention the battle of Nyborg on the Danish Island of Funen and the charge of Polish Hussaria, on November 14, 1659. Some interesting stuff, bro, worth checking out, for history lovers only.
@@nobodycares9494 And then 60% of Polands population was killed, all of Polands treasure was carried off to Swedish museums and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth declined and ultimately was partitioned up and erased off the map. But you won some battles, wow.
@@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105 Correct, but you live in a moment, and you don't know what the future brings. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall. None of the ancient kingdoms is in existence today. Poland had internal problems, and its expiration was on the horizon. Mind you, the partitions were the result of a bunch of nobles (like today's elites) who sold Poland for profit, and yes, the wars Poland was involved in (not only with the Swedes but primarily with Ottomans, over one million of the native population was lost to Ottomans, so I don't know about 60% loss in population to Swedes, the number was also very big, too much ) were a huge blow. Today's elites do just the same in each country of the globe as we speak; they currently sell nations and for very little. With the Polish treasure stored safely in Sweden, from today's perspective, it can be called a bitter-sweet benefit because these would be lost during partitions and, if not, during WWII for sure. At least we can have access to Polish medieval literature in the Swedish museums. And yet, again, we don't know what the future will bring. The tables might need to be reversed, and perhaps Poland will need to keep other's treasures for safekeeping. Personally, I wouldn't want that to happen, but I am not very optimistic about what I see in the neighboring countries, to the North, West, East, and South. Regards!
@@billywiththebulgingbaloonb5105That's not propaganda, the battle of Prostki was won by the Polish side. Sure, the Deluge was devastating, but actually, less than 60% of the population was killed, and certainly not all Polish treasures were carried off to Sweden, cause Muscovy was at war with the Commonwealth at that time too. Next, the decline of the Commonwealth did not happen that quickly cause not long after that devastating war, Poland achieved huge victories in wars with the Ottomans.
They only Cringe here - is your comment. This battle is written in history. This novel and movie based on it just tell's us this story.
And yes, all the Deluge was a tragic in consequences to the commonwealth.
Still, its a part of the European history. How can you call it propaganda ?
Shame on you for your ignorance.