A surgeon is not an emotionally detached psychopath you fool! Surgeon knows that cutting is helping and not hurting. Psychopaths feel no remorse hurting ppl. .
When you score 8...you are a guaranteed failure in this so-called modern world and thus quite possibly the seeds of revolution. Courage and incentive dependent. Comin for that ass cruel world.
I scored an 8. I have a highly narcissistic mom who didn't even know I graduated college and was planning to go to law school. She has always had almost zero interest in my life. She told me: "You wouldn't have made a good lawyer" That stuck in my craw for years but maybe narcs and psychopaths know these things
My score was 4. Yeah I'm the type of person who apologizes to delivery driver when they have the wrong address and I'm not the person they are looking for
I'm not the type to do that, I don't respond positively to being tred upon, but I also scored 4, and was surprised, and frankly, am still feeling disturbed by the scores of the hosts. I think I'm in the comments looking for answers.
My Mother was a nurse, she tells a story of a surgeon who had a reputation for some of these behaviours. He once took a woman's breast off during surgery for a benign tumor, he was running late to a golf game and didnt have time to operate properly. This was in the 70s when medics and surgeons were treated like gods, but its a cautionary tale. You have to have zero conscience to do that to a young woman
From personal dealings they still expect to be treated like gods and can turn rather cruel and cold towards those who refuse to offer worship at their altar.
The question that occurred to me watching this episode, which ties into your post is-if surgeons are high on the list of occupations with high psychopathy traits, and that means self-internet with a lack of remorse, wouldn’t it stand to reason that many malignant surgeons views the trans movement nefariously as an opportunity to exploit vulnerable people for money?
@@tylerblack676 saw this in action on Shape Shifter video 3 weeks ago ‘medical experiment exposed on national tv ft Marci bowers’ Unsure of origins of this quote ‘Removing healthy organs, inducing permanent disability as a mood booster, is not medical best interest’ Harold Shipman behaviour
@@tylerblack676 I'm thinking the same. When he was talking about different branches of surgery having different levels of psychopathy I thought EXACTLY that. Surgeons who do these surgeries genuinely seem to be self-interested psychopaths. The "harvesting" of skin from one part of a person's body to be used in another, the very many revision and corrective surgeries that are needed for all genital surgeries.... I've said many times that I think these surgeons are GHOULS. To irrevocably fuck up someone's sex life, sex drive, ability to pee, ability to function... the amount of scarring and nerve damage they could cause, the loss of function... these surgeons seen to have little empathy for their patients (their "victims"??) or little regard for their long term mental and emotional health. They play god every day with people's bodies and their future suffering, physical and psychological. It's a profitable racket for unscrupulous, psychopathic surgeons who "sell" an unrealistic dream of perfection but deliver work that often needs multiple, maybe dozens, of further surgeries. Which clearly means more cash for them, more suffering and risk for the patient. They don't seem to care. I think that branch of surgery DEFINITELY attracts psychopaths with no conscience and no remorse. They're just happy to exploit the vulnerable and desperate for 💸💰💰💸
I scored 6. I am a 29 year old male engineer. From a very young age I have always been sensitive to betrayals of innocence. It's like the exact opposite to the psychopathic belief of 'if you're able to con someone, they deserve it'. The innocence in a person's face when they are tricked, disappointed and betrayed can cause me a lot of pain.
Well most narcissists sociopaths and psychopaths gleem with shiny eyes of excitement when they know they have cause someone pain..even emotional pain. It makes them feel alllll powerful.
31 year old CEO of a commercial lending company, I scored a 30 I bet I'm not nearly as "evil" as you'd think. I just try to make practical decisions within a competitive environment, I'm just trying to maximize gain within the law over a certain time frame. It's hard to succeed with any other rationale, I've tried modifying my behavior as an experiment and I simply lost a lot of money. I think I make practical decisions more than emotionally charged "evil" decisions. In fact I don't think I've ever intentionally tried to "hurt" someone unprovoked in any way. I also somewhat doubt the validity of this test if I'm perfectly honest. I care deeply about my immediate family in friends as far as I can tell. Just other than that doesn't seem practical.
This isn't an "environment" it is a controlled monkey farm with really bad state actors in a final attempt at novel gross reductionism through botched epigenetics. Inadvertently creating the very master race you envy so much. 😁
I have worked both with and for psychopaths, I am married to a narcissist…. It’s more common than most people think, and it is a spectrum. Narcissism, I believe, is truly on the rise, with much of it fed by our empty, social media ridden society.
I got the impression from this that a psychopath will make a good CEO or surgeon because he/she can make ruthless decisions. My earlier education about psychopaths is that they lack empathy and conscience. Surely a normal person who has empathy and a conscience could be just as good at surgery, he/she just needs to overcome feelings when operating? A psychopath may do the job, but be callous as in the case below (James Gornall), and treat people close to them with callousness? IE shrug off their kids when they are being bullied at school, walk on by wheh their spouse has lost a parent? If they are a genuine psychopath, surely they cannot avoid being "cool" just by being intelligent? The are bound to be hurting someone?
@@sandracrawford9813 Kind of funny ... I meet so many people who think anyone around them is a psychopath/narcissist except themselves, of course. Once they trumpet that I already know I have to keep distance from them -)
@@dancroitoru364 Spot On. Mind you she could also be attracted to these types if she's a more meek "giver" type that needs to maintain a victim mentality. Like a majority of the current generation seems to crave: being a victim, whilst never knowing true trauma or hardship. Sigh.
@@welshrecon I wholeheartedly agree with you. I even believe white society are a force of concentrated narcissism projected to the world via social media, influencing and encouraging narcissism and setting a terrible psychological standard. And psychopaths socialise others into sociopathy which widens the spectrum, and creates a distorted relationship which produces a distorted reality in favour of the most distorted minds (the psychopaths).
I haven't been this absorbed in a speaker in years. This guy is fascinating. Scored 5. I'm a social science researcher. Honestly, most of these are moral issues to me. I was shocked at how horrible some of the questions are. It's terrifying that you can go all the way up to 17 before you even hit "average". Lord, have mercy.
@@lucydayLucida @curiousing I'm the same! I scored 6, and I felt like I was normal. This has really changed the way I look at the world. I ordered The Good Psychopath's Guide to Success before the end of the video!
@@lucydayLucida What does an attraction to fast cars and skydiving, for example, have to do with heartlessness? Being a spur-of-the-moment type person? Not having qualms about the mere cancelling of engagements? Being very persuasive? Keeping a cool head under pressure? There's 15 points right there.
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because a psychopath can emotionally detach (to perform their job) that does not imply that everyone who can emotionally detach is a psychopath. The simple difference is that the psychopath doesn't care about harming others. This is why they rise to power, they have no morals to hold them back.
Secondary Psycopathy is this, it's detached Psycopathy. Technically there is no split, if someone's a primary they have secondary traits, but secondary Psycopathy USUALLY has almost no primary traits, due to one being genes and environmental, and second being all environmental. Primary is correlated with NPD/HPD. Secondary is correlated with BPD/ASPD. This makes everything a lot more fluid in understanding, despite there being no real consensus.. the disorder/divergence essentially being bigfoot, it's not as important as the he co-morbidity, this is what causes all sorts of problems or makes it a bad thing to have, ADHD, OCD, schizo/psychotic stuff, paraphilias, depressive disorders, hell even being poor lmao are all baaaaad and from the environment, and are defense mechanisms. You can see all these problems in serial killers, mass killers and there family, school shooters, drug dealers 😂
I scored a 6 as a social worker and artist. However, people who hurt or scam other people for their own benefit, especially the old and vulnerable, will unleash the beast in me.
Is being passionate about justice really psycho-ish? I genuinely want to know. I get very crazy excited and stubborn and passionate about justice but I'm not a psychopath.
@libbylee 9 - 9 No it's not. If anything, passion for justice is a sign of empathy. It means you have a strong passion for what is morally/ethically righteous (at least to your own ideological beliefs). A psychopath or someone with high levels of Dark Triad personality traits would be more interested in how to manipulate the justice system to benefit themselves than actually seeing justice carried out.
@@BulkernatorKerb (O o O)... What is a dark triad personality? I don't really get into all the traits and 'what type of this are you' quizzes and I've never heard of this triad thingy. Sounds elden ring level dark.
Nurses. They run at the two extremes of the spectrum, one half too empathic and one half are too psychopathic, and it creates extreme and constant drama within the ward. Generally the two extremes seriously dislike each other and backstab each other a lot. The psychopathic nurses refuse patients pain relief, happily be rough with them, force them up and about when they’re in agony, will go into surgery and deal with code blue without any trauma nor need any debriefing, are emotionless in palliative care, and they’re the ones who survive long term in the profession without burnout, I don’t like them at all. We call them “iron maidens”, “battle axes” or “queen bees”. The patients don’t usually like them either. On the other hand; the empathetic nurses try to push for more pain relief, more comfort, more time to go gentle on patients, don’t cope well with surgery, need debriefing after traumatic resus, or post patient death, and will suffer burnout. But patients usually love them. I burned out of that industry after 9years. It’s a very interesting profession to examine if you want to see the difference between a psychopathic person and a highly empathetic person, because every nurse will be on the extreme end, one way or the other and if you watch them in action, it’s very clear to observe that difference. They’re very very different.
I called out a psycho queen for trying to have my daughter forceable move her arm after some surgery, she was putting her in pain, I had her changed to another nurse and to work on my kid so yes there are two types met one of them
I'm a healthcare assistant and I work with nurses and I've seen this.. its really disheartening I wish nurse and hcas could wear bodycams I know its a gdpr breech but my god would a lot change if that was the case .
This explains my different experiences as a patient suffering hear attack like symptoms at the ER. The first time got a very empathetic crew. I had symptoms again a few days later, and the ER doctor told me my High blood pressure issues and dizziness were not an emergency and walked away. The nurse was just as cold, and I left feeling intimidated from ever going back. I had to go back again because the symptoms were too bad to ignore. I got a good crew and when I told them the the last doctor and crew made me feel I was bothering them, they let me know for the symptoms I was having it was definitely justified to go to the emergency room. Now I understand: psychopath doctors and nurses and they tend to work together. It was like the iron maiden had the psychopath ER doctor's back
Yes, I was in ICU First night the nurse was an angel, I was so sick , so much pain. Second night in came the devil in human form. As soon as I heard her voice ( I couldn't speak or move but ) I knew she was manic. She neglected me, tossed me around and sexually debased me by pulling up my gown ( I had a catheter ) to my belly button for no reason. It was the night from hell. No cameras, one nurse with all power.
I scored an 11 and I'm a business owner. I'm doubtful that having a high score guarantees success, when it could just as easily get you into a lot of trouble. People with high scores who become troublesome to society could be easily ganged-up on by us empathetic individuals and taken out. I'm certain this same scenario I just described has played out numerous times throughout human evolutionary history.
@@steveh.7664 Yes, I agree that the high score must be accompanied by a set of skills, otherwise it's a recipe for trouble rather than any sort of success. And even with skills and talents, most people with high scores will become moderately successful, and only very few of those will become CEOs and neurosurgeons. But a person with a low score will still be less likely to get to a top position, not because they're lacking in qualifications, but rather because they won't have the motivation and the drive to fight it through to the top. Let's use myself as an example. I derive zero satisfaction from managing others. I've been offered a managerial position in the past, and I saw it only as a burden. I knew I would take my responsibilities extremely seriously and that it would eat me from inside, giving me zero satisfaction in exchange. You could say that for many people being a manager isn't fun, but they do it for money. I am only moderately motivated by money. Of course money motivates me because money means survival, but I am not motivated by the status money can bring me - that's how we get to the last point: I am not motivated by feeling superior to others. On the contrary, I will avoid situations in which I could make you feel inferior in any way. If I'm more educated than you, I won't mention it, and if it is mentioned, I will play it down. If I have more spending money than you, I won't talk to you about the things I've bought, even if I know that in general you have more money than me, but have also bigger obligations, so you just can't spend as much on yourself. I won't brag, because I may see your discomfort, and that will spoil the joy for me. So what else is there that could motivate me to fight for the top position? It's not worth the fight for me. I'd much rather spend time with my two- and four-legged loved ones, doing the things I enjoy.
My wife's cousin was a nurse at UCLA Medical. The surgeons description about psychopathic surgeons, especially neuropathic surgeons, seems to ring true based on what he told me. They're top neurosurgeon was a heartless bastard, everyone hated him. But he was one of the best in the world.
Spotting them is impossible for most, sadly. There have been several occasions when one screwed me over, then others made excuses for said psychopath when they screwed them over as well. A lot of "well his childhood was tough." So was mine but you don't see me stealing from and slandering friends and family with no remorse! "He is sorry." If he's sorry then why is he continuing to slander me, refusing to pay me back, or even speak to me? He never apologized or paid back the person mindlessly defending him either. It's so frustrating how naive most people are.
Boy, so many of my supervisors were psychopaths. The thing is us normal people have no way to fight back except to leave, I guess. Best video from you guys yet. Brilliant!
This was a very informative interview. Funny at times because after working in healthcare for 30 years I have seen some terrible behaviour from surgeons.
My story: I had a "normal" life, then had health problems and quite literally became a hermit for about 15 years. When I came out of hibernation, my business grew, and I had to hire people. Ever since then, I've been obsessed with sociopaths, psychopaths, and narcisissts. My time alone made the madness of the world stand out in sharp relief. It takes all my willpower not to wish horrible fiery death on everyone, now. Sincerely, I did not know there were so many evil people in the world. I'm not saying all my employees were bad, not at all, but the bad ones were insufferable.
Similar deal with my mother. Had some health issues that had her down for a long while.... enough time away that she had "unplugged"... when she "came back" around she apologized to me and said she can't believe that she never saw the absolute madness of everything around us. She never could see it.... but now she says she can't understand how others can't wake up and see it all. Myself, I've recently become absolutely disgusted with the moral state of humanity.... I try to see the good so I don't absolutely fall into a hole, but it's become increasingly difficult
What was your score? I got 5 and I can go through period of alienation at the relative callousness and lack of caring others seem to have, including their levels of dishonesty.
I was a misanthrope before the pandemic/lock downs, and let's just say it didn't get any better during that time. I now really dislike most people and am down to one friend. I can no longer suffer fools. I understand Sartre's famous saying: "Hell is other people."
@Dave Blue I got a 5 too, which doesn't square with my reactive wish to tear the evil politicians in charge limb from limb. Once you look at the lies & actual results of their behaviour you just can't unsee it. Utter corruption.
Scored 10. Acupuncturist, massage therapist, healer. Used to run a massage school. Now, 30 yrs later, i see the protection i need for myself and family that i never knew about, in dealing with psychopaths and narcs who we trusted. They caused so much chaos, pain, financial rip offs and a broken family. We, as a family, have Gotta Learn New Skills!
2. A stay-at-home mom that homeschooled my kids, had a pet sitting business and taught kids in a homeschool group. My mom always said that I had a really, really strong conscience and I'm very empathic.
I would argue that it is pressing someone that shows weakness, instead of doing the polite thing and let them regain their composure. This is in legal arguments, politics, sports, etc.
No, that's being a backstabbing asshole. Ruthlessness is a much broader term, and could mean anything from backstabbing to triage in a hospital tent somewhere. Do you let people suffer in pain to save the people you can? Do you ignore the ones in pain and dying in pain, or do you not? Do you let people starve to allow for the food to last longer? Do you wipe out the families of innocent people in order to wipe out your enemy who are hiding in their houses? That's ruthlessness.
Scored a 20. I was in the Marines as a 5954, Tower climber building cell sites, electrician, and now I program PLC programs for chemical distribution systems.
Really enjoying this. I’ve read a few of his books but it’s great to hear him speak. What a likeable guy, someone I would really enjoy having a drink with
A great episode! Enjoyed it thoroughly, actually had some nice takeaways and not just about psychopathy but strategies in life in general. Rly insightful and Dr Kevin is just so pleasant to listen to
I kinda wish I had a little psychopathy. It would seem like they have it easier in life, probably nothing keeping them up at night, no self-sacrifice. Being low kinda sucks, actually.
It does have it's downsides. Imagine living a life where you feel you should be more important than you actually are, and you lack the skills or ability to achieve any kind of success, so you spend your entire life feeling as if you are a bit of a failure, because you don't, and cant, meet the expectations that you innately feel you should receive. (BTW, I'm not a psychopath and score very low on the scale. So low in fact, that I can empathise with the problems of being a psychopath!)
As a former OR nurse some of the most skilled surgeons I worked with were also some of the biggest a-holes who really didn't seem to care about anyone. They were miserable to work around but they were absolutely the ones who I'd want to perform my surgery if need be. Edit: of course this wasn't universally true. I also worked with a lot of absolutely lovely surgeons who were a joy to work with and who were also incredibly skilled. A lot of it seemed to depend on specialty. General surgeons, ortho docs, and podiatrists seemed to be the biggest jerks.
My podiatrist is fabulous ! Did a beautiful job on my bunion surgery.. I was an obedient patient and didn’t step on my foot for the recommended time like so many do .. he helps me with tiny cortisone shots in my foot every now and then when they ache .. .. he’s loved by many .. guess we are lucky over here in Melbourne, Florida
Same, sort of. The best MD was a universally recognized jerk, but maybe the softies are also better than we judged. Maybe we were strong armed into believing the jerk was the best. I don’t want a surgeon who cares less.
I scored 7 and I’m self employed (own a small online shop). I could honestly use a bit more psychopathic tendencies as the business world is very cutthroat and when dealing with other companies in situations where I have to be really firm and stick up for myself it makes me very uncomfortable. On the flip side my business has a very good reputation as I really enjoy taking care of my customers and own my mistakes which people seem to respond to very positively. So being a 7 is very good for my customers and business’s reputation but I’m never going to be rich because I refuse to do things which I see as immoral when dealing with other businesses or my competition.
@@wckd4u good luck to you my fellow low rating psychopath lol. You'll be fine =) The wise words of Dave Chapelle's mum always help me in difficult situations where I could use a bit more psychopath points: "sometimes you have the be a lion, to be the lamb you really are"
My ex-wife was definitely a narcissist. Every time that I talked to my relatives or neighbors, she would always ask, “What did they say about me?” She would always seem to get upset when I told her that we really didn’t discuss anything about her.
yep - he's a liar and a true psychopath. the trope with the psychopath bartender is well known. Trust Dr "K" for soon having QR codes for your diagnostic. The scanner will show: Personality Type: XQEMP23 Profile: "Inverted Narcissist" -))
I laughed at the discussion of the most psychopathic medical specialists, I knew he would say orthopaedic. A friend of mine who is a anesthesiologist, once remarked that he had a long list of orthopaedic doctor's that he wouldn't let anywhere near him, and the list was with his next of kin.
I'm blessed/cursed with the ability to see things from both sides, so I'm most comfortable when there's a "neither" option (like if there was a 1.5 choice here). So I kept thinking, well, under certain circumstances..... I'm a former math teacher, former office worker, and retired software engineer.
I was in prison for a short while a long time ago and as an educated and empathic person i was ok listening to other people who were having a hard time adjusting. One was this kid who came in really polite only a tiny thing, 18 years old i thought what's he done robbed a moped or something bloody hell, he made us a brew we sat down had some rice krispies. He said "lads, i think im in for a bit of a stretch" i said why what have you done lad he says, "i had a beef with a lad at work, i went in to the workshop one day after work for something and he was there fast asleep so i got a sledgehammer and hit him in the head half a dozen times" i was a bit taken aback and said, erm, "was he okay" he said, "no, his head was smashed in like a watermelon, his eye was hanging out" i said ok yes i think you might have to get used to life here young man. Would you like another cuppa? "Oh yes please," he said and we had a nice evening watching films and talking about Marvel movies. You never, never can tell boys and girls, some lads there involved in very very high profile murders and honestly some of the best chaps ive ever met. In terms of sneakiness, sliminess, untrustworthiness, the common thieves and muggers were the absolute worst.
Yeh, I'm pretty sure I would take someone who would rob me blind over someone who would bash my skull in because of a "beef", no matter how personable the "bash my skull in" chap might be.
@@Torquemadia not for everyday life you wouldnt, drug addicts and petty thieves are often impossible to exist with in constrained circumstances, a couple of weeks having some of the few things you're allowed to have stolen and having to either deal with the thief or looking like a complete bitch, you'll be upset. Its a relief being housed with murderers after that. As for the "beef" bit, use your manners and listen a lot but say little and nobody will have an issue, its a relief for most people just to meet someone who ist a bullshitter
Yes I have the same experience. I was working in a prison in Norway for 3 months as a "substitute" for military service when I was younger. I was assigned to the department of physical training, basically taking prisoners to the gym, also went shopping for prisoners for whatever they wanted as long as it was not illegal things. It was the part of the prison where the prisoners for one reason or another wanted to isolate from the other prisoners. Anyway one of the prisoners was a 60 something year old guy. He was a very gentle soft spoken guy. Not coming across as sneaky, aggressive or dishonest in any way. Every Friday he would fire up the waffle maker, the priest would come for a visit and we would have coffee together with the prisoners, have a nice chat and generally just have a social occasion. The old guy would make waffles and just behave like a perfect host trying to make everyone comfortable. I was warned against him though, that he would try to make you do something "illegal" or against the rules as that would make him get a hold over you that he could use later. And sure an behold one day he tried that on me, asking me if I could deliver his football gambling in the shop not far from the prison. We did these sorts of things for them, buying them things etc. But gambling was not allowed for prisoners so it could have potentially be a problem, not big but still. This guy was a proper psychopath but hid it so well I could not believe it. It thought me a lesson on this kind of thing. So what was this guy in for? Well he was a serial killer. He made a habit of travelling around the area where he lived breaking in to mainly very old people, stealing whatever he could of money and valuables, and at the same time killing the people, not using weapons of any kind, just beating them to death with his fist, often took some time so he was not only a psyko but a sadist as well.
@@jamesgornall5731 - yah I figure it’s a stressful situation in there for everyone so not being a problem is what most ppl are hoping for. Whereas petty assholes just make things complicated and stressful.
@@Torquemadia - depends on the beef. Don’t be a dick to ppl and then you don’t have to worry about getting your skull bashed in. Petty thieves and drug addicts are too unpredictable imo. I’ll take a controlled person over an unpredictable one any day.
I scored 9. I am an Art Therapist. Happy I scored low. I am a female with high functioning Aspergers. I have had people ask me over the years if I was.. nope, my empathy is in tact.. my social etiquette not so much 😅❤
Scored 5. I work in videogame localization. Would rather spend my entire life daydreaming and hiking, away from other people. I don't like most people's selfish careless behavior. My dream home would be a cabin in the woods with cats and dogs or high up a mountain in peace and quiet but with internet access, lol. This world is scary horrifying place to me!
@@TheFiddle101😂no just a nice! Unfortunately I’ve now learned in my 50ties you have to be a lot less nice to people because other people don’t appreciate it and you’ve got to protect yourself from that. Makes life a lot easier to deal with 😂
I just retired from being a surg tech and this is all true. I worked for a cardiology/heart consultant practice and one of the docs I worked with created the "roto-rooter" technique (Dr. Bishop). We, as techs, had to be emotionally disconnected from the surgeries we were participating in. While the surgeon could be totally focused on a single object in the field, we'd be seeing the whole field, which could be quite horrifying. One side effect I noted was that gory movies stopped bothering me after a few years in the OR.
Probably my favourite interview so far. What am amazing guest. I've referenced some of Kev's work in the past for stuff I've written, but never seen an interview with him. Really cool fellas.
For anyone who wants to do the psychopath test, it starts at 28:15 Edit: 13. And I'm a lawyer. I would note that there were a few questions where I think I would rate higher depending on the situation. Animals in pain for instance. Depends on the animal. (edit: a couple of people have pointed to this one specifically and seem to take umbrage with my position, so I'll try to elaborate. I do not take any pleasure in seeing animals in pain, however, I grew up in a rural area, and witnessed how brutal nature is on a daily basis. It is an unfortunate reality that a person can become indifferent to animals suffering. That is where I am at.) Would I step on other people? Generally no, but it depends on the objective. If I'm trying to win at a game, that's kind of the point. Cancelling an appointment? Depends on how much better it is/whether I can rely on that opportunity to arise again. I would also add that you should tell the person you are cancelling on exactly why you did it, and in advance. Don't blame me if things go wrong. Depends on my level of involvement and if I am doing my job. I will take the blame if it is clearly my fault, but I'm not taking flak for someone else's screw up.
This part was of particular interest to me: "Don't blame me if things go wrong. Depends on my level of involvement and if I am doing my job. I will take the blame if it is clearly my fault, but I'm not taking flak for someone else's screw up." I am not saying you are wrong in your approach to this- I just was marveling at how different my reply was and my reasoning. In my mind, if something goes wrong, I am perfectly willing to reexamine myself and my position, hoping to find what errors I may have made and to correct them. I default to a position of "if something went wrong, there is a good chance my incompetency had something to do with it". My overall score was a 3.5. Once upon a time I would have thought that a good thing, but it is just a thing, and there are good and bad sides to it. I have been taken advantage of in horrible ways- and I can certainly see the correlation to my score and how I am an easy target. No doubt, you are much sharper in many ways and less likely to be so naïve and gullible as I have been, so I envy you there! Thank you for sharing your score and your personal insight!
@@Zeyr01 The impression I got was that it's trial lawyers - the ones who have to put on a convincing act before a judge or jury - that benefit most from a degree of psychopathy. But most lawyers are not trial lawyers.
@@Zeyr01 It's a common misconception that all lawyers are super aggressive win at all cost types of people. The sharks certainly exist, but are not the norm. Most of us realize that we need to have good working relationships with other lawyers in order serve our clients better. It's much easier to get things done when you regularly have lunch with the person across the courtroom. Also, I think I might be the type of person who can turn it on and off. I can be a real stickler when I want to be, but I only do it if there is no other option.
Another great interview, really enjoy hearing from experts about the human mind, it's so fascinating to continue learning. Well done Dr. Dutton and lads!
28:11 The Psychopath Test 39:00 types of Psychopaths in today's Society 53:27 the bar episode with SAS special forces Andy McNab 58:34. Are psychopaths able to control their behaviour ? 1:11:57 how do you spot a psychopath?
You rank 'Low' on the Psychopath Spectrum. You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You avoid hurting others and are easily hurt yourself. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others . . . ’ are your watchwords. Close enough but i can be a total bastard when need be
I got a 'high' - but I'm not surprised. My (ex) wife persuaded me to do a test some years ago, on which I scored 25/30. I'm pretty confident I am less of a psychopath now than I was 20 years ago though - having children seems to have made a difference. I have worked in a few professions, and very successful in a sequence of businesses, allowing me to retire at the age of 40. When the zombie apocalypse finally arrives - the crew that follows me will be the one that survives. Most people can't make the difficult decisions. I do have some boundaries. I still see most lawyers as far more ruthless than I have ever been.
@@philthepower1359 If you do the test online it gives you a little description at the end. The description astralchimp references is the description they give for the least psycho.
In the mid-90s when I was studying clinical psychology I was taught that there was such a thing as "good" psychopathy - ie surgeons, soldiers, CEOs etc. It was linked with Freudian reaction formation - ie sublimating certain potentially problematic desires into a positive (for self and others) direction. I didn't think it was controversial that there was such a thing as good psychopathy!
I paused the vid just to write this about "lack of empathy" as being a quality to make tough decisions under pressure. He had given the story of Churchill and that made me think of the well known fact that Churchill had broken the "Enigma" code machine of the Nazi's and had found out that London was going to be bombed by a massive air attack. But in order not to let the Nazi's know that Enigma was broken, he had to keep the knowledge of the bombing raid secret. Thereby dooming perhaps thousands to terrible death and destruction. Now that is a decision not many could make.
Did not know that! 'The Rest is History Podcast' have a very interesting episode (or 2?) about Churchill! Based on these questions, I would say he would've scored very high but still, I don't think he was a psychopath (and I'm Irish! 😅) I think he simply grew up with zero empathy or love shown to him from his parents.
@@marietteestabrook4098 Hmm that could also be impulsivity and emotional emptiness, which according to the psychopath channel HG Tudor is pretty common. ASPD people tend to have dampened emotions generally and a void to fill, and some will fill it with random violence, toying with people or other thrills just to feel something
I had a friend studying psychology back in early 2000s. As part of his study he asked me to take the LSRPS (Levenson Self-Report Psychopathy Scale). As I was making my answers I was convinced I was doing great as I knew all the answers without having to think. I scored 4/5 on the primary test and 4.5/5 on the secondary test. My primary score was higher than 91.11% of people taking the test and my secondary score was higher than 98.48% of people taking the test. For anyone that doesn't know how the tests scoring works, the higher the score out 5 the worse it is. Basically I discovered I was a psychopath by helping a mate with university course work The good thing about it was suddenly everything made sense. With regards to the test on this I scored 27\33 I'm a computer programmer
Most conversations I watch on this topic have me self diagnosing myself on the psychopath spectrum, but not this one, so that's a nice breath of fresh air. Score: 7, female, small business owner (winery), no children.
Yeah that's a by product of bad pop psychology, not any individuals fault. I got 26, I voted 0 for cheating, cause I reeeeeeally love loyalty. (Possessive love means retaining an object, I'd prefer they want to be here too 😂) Most psycopaths know, early. You don't need a test to confirm this, it's obvious you don't act right and LACK pro social emotions, hyper active tunnel visioning, not really reacting to gore(not enjoying it just simply a cold disposition like normal lmao) trouble making friends unless you have severe grandiose confidence which comes with a whole host of other problems and leaves you way more likely to have ego hits and easily exploitable vulnerabilities.. Easiest give away is learning that you don't actually move into action when people are in distress... This is usually in literature claimed to be dupers delight and is us "enjoying distress" but that's one potential. Distress in others makes me uncomfortable and I just sit and stare if I don't FORCE myself to act. Over time this became normal, and I act towards helping more then I have dupers delight (if people wrong me I sure can without remorse for the rest of both our times on earth lol) But still no resonance inside, this actually sucks and is more lonely and miserable then a cool or based thing once you have a mirror forced infront of you to gain insight and self awareness. 🤷
I am 39 (formerly a marine, offshore commercial diver and now a refinery emergency responder) and I scored 14. It has got me thinking, can how you score (or more importantly, your psychopathy)change as you get older? I would have definitely scored higher in my 20’s on some of the questions than I would now, or do we just learn to manage it/reign it in?🤔
I would love to hear Dr. Dutton answer that question. When the brain is less developed (i.e teenagers) are they more prone to psychopathy? In some ways is a psychopath someone whose brain is stuck in adolescence?
I think some might mellow out a bit with age. I know a guy in his 70s that I can tolerate but have thought to myself-- he must have been a real bastage when he was younger.
The brain doesn’t fully develop until you’re 23 and full emotional development is higher than 25, and around 30 today. Young people aren’t fully formed and are easy manipulated by the influence in their environment.
Enjoyed this immensely. Dr Kevin Dutton's interview has become my joint all time Triggernometry favourite along with the Kellie-Jay one. Brilliant, thanks 😊
Scored 18 and am a tradesman. I’ve had times where I could see how easy it would be to manipulate ppl however it’s a short sighted strategy. Success long term rests on people wanting to cooperate with you.
@@0mfgeezescored 14 used to do construction work as an Apprentice electrician I'm the "please get away from me and no I don't care about your weekend. Please leave me to my wiring and electric work" guy. I never understood the cost effectiveness of manipulating others when I can do it myself 😂😂😂
My score was 3. I should’ve added in my first post that I have met a couple of psychopaths during my years in that job and they certainly were believable. It was a learning experience for me.
I got a 5, hey can you tell me, do you sometimes or often feel a bit alienated from many others due to their callousness or lack of caring about others? I do sometimes. I wonder if it is linked to a low score.
I scored 5. Sometimes I do feel alienated by others. I am an introvert and am not great at socializing. I think it comes with scoring low. It's just the personality type. The higher on the scale you are, the more social, the less afraid you are. Maybe?
I scored seven, so nice and low. I am a creative person in music and art, although earn almost no money at it. An interesting discussion, many thanks to all involved.
I scored 3 I train horses, being empathic, open, loving, honest, truthful and routine ......is very important for horses. I am also a woman and Asperger's.
I found this fascinating. I scored 24. Having said that, I’m now a stay at home mom, and am not high in ambition. I don’t necessarily seek positions of power, and am quite laid back in general. My family and the few friends I have always list the high-powered jobs I would be good at if only I had more ambition. Even teachers always talked on all my potential, my intelligence and how I just wasted it. I always found it funny, because I learned early on you can get by with less and avoid stress and annoying people if you curb any ambition for more.
You are describing me! And I don't even think my lack of ambition is something I deliberately curb. At least not now in adulthood. Seven year olds aren't that keen to be your friend when you get singled out all the time for being "best in class". So I came to the conclusion very young that just below the top is better and have basically coasted my whole - very enjoyable - life :) Just writing that I can see that like you I will probably score quite high on the psychopathy scale too. I notice also that despite Prof Dutton's intent to destigmatise good psychopaths, a large proportion of the comments reveal the same negative view of them as he wants to challenge.
You have managed to get yourself into a much envied position though most women would deny that. I never found having a boss instead of staying at home liberating. I scored 3 and was married to a psychopath/narcissist and it was I who went out to work while he stayed at home. Unusual in those days. I am 76. I even took my daughter to the childminder each morning and he did nothing. I left him after three years. I never married again. I am self protective therefore a lonely life.
My monster was allergic to work as well. He had no ambition either, he was highly intelligent but didn't put it to use in career/work wise. He didn't have to, his mom was is enabler. He would tell her is was thinking about getting a job and needed a new wardrobe but of course she would buy him new clothes but he wouldn't even end up looking for a job. Or when he was a teen he had the same shoe in every color and at age 16 a new car right off the show room floor. Always got out of trouble and never had consequences to his actions. But hell if you think about it his full time job was manipulating others and use them as his paycheck . And if psycho narcissist do anything nice their not just being nice, they have a ulterior motive.
There is definitely something unique about orthopedic surgeons in my experience. Having had many broken bones over the years I have spent some time with a few. Though my sample size is anecdotally small, they all exhibited very prominent psychopathic traits. Unfortunately, a couple of them had an ego that exceeded their skill set, resulting in further unnecessary surgeries for myself. That said, I'm kind of glad that there are people out there with such low levels of empathy that working on a human body is as emotionally detached for them as working on a motor vehicle. I would likely be completely crippled with a poor quality of life level without the gift of psychopathy. My orthopedic injuries have been moderately severe. There is a reasonable argument that psychopaths can be valuable to society.
A very good piece of advice for anyone who scores low on the test, and who is worried that they might be easy to manipulate, is to develop a consistent set of values that you stick to in nearly every situation. It is very hard to manipulate someone who knows their own mind, and who has already worked out how they wish to live. Most of the time someone will opt to not even try to manipulate you, as they don’t want to put work in when the result is uncertain. Walk tall, hold your head up (literally), speak slowly and with conviction, and always pause for a few moments before answering anyone (it makes it look like you’re thinking about your answer, even if you’re not). I’ve avoided a fair few manipulative people by developing these habits (though in many cases they’ve then moved on to my friends).
My score was 11. I'm a health and social care lecturer, and used to manage care services. A very interesting show reaffirming the social need for psychopaths with noble intentions etc.... diversity of neurology!
Dumb people fall under the spell of psychopaths. I carve them out of my life instantly and they’re usually cunning enough to recognise I don’t like them and it inevitably turns into an attempted bullying type situation
After almost 20 years of being a nurse (I scored 16 on the test so Im just average), I've always said surgeons have the worst bedside manner. I assumed it was because their pts are always unconscious so they don't interact with them. Had no idea it's because they are likely all psychopaths on some level lol. Makes a lot of sense though.
yeah I have known this for years lol, nurses are the ones you trust, doctors have no empathy (chronic health problems, lots of time in hospital and medical settings) It was doctors that misdiagnosed me for decades, and nurses who worked out what was actually wrong...and never ever ever ever EVER let a doctor give you a blood test, the ego engages when they cant find your spider viens and they butcher your arm getting more and more annoyed, I had one de-tissue my arm during one hospital stay.
Don't be fooled. Kevin Dutton presents a very unscientific view on the topic. He convinced you, using only anecdotes. Science shows anecdotes don't prove anything, yet he uses anecdotes to "prove" (fool). He said his dad regularly showed psychopathy traits, so his motive became to show his father as a "good psychopath". Psychopaths have power over others, & power corrupts. Their lack of empathy means they can choose to abuse/harm (at will). His view that psychopathy is not all bad -- is invalid. Psychopathy IS all bad, & is purely self-serving at the expense of others. He uses pop-psychology, not scientific methods.
Awesome guys! Dr Dutton had some great examples and stories and I just ❤️ the way you let him talk and formulated such great questions allowing him to explore further. Watched in one sitting and was absolutely fascinated. Did the survey too and thought I scored quite low too Konstantin 🤣.
I scored a 7 . I make decisions quickly = 3. I am very good in a crisis = 3, and then a 1 for the question that came before those 2 questions, which I forget, and 0 for the others - they described very mean attitudes. I'm a visual artist, art historian and writer. Fascinating talk. Thank you.
My husband is in health care security and has been for ten years(and was in the Corps for four years with two Afghan deployments). I'm confident he would have a higher score than me(9), but I wonder how he would land.
What a brilliant interview.DR Ditton is fascinating to listen to, and very funny too! I had a friend (ex friend, ad I finally saw her for what she is) who once said "if anyone e is stupid enough to lend me something, they don't deserve to get it back". And she 100% meant it.
Brilliant and very entertaining interview. One of the best I've seen in a long time, perhaps ever. Fascinating. Good work, well done and thanks for this.
Oh no! My heart sank to my toes when I heard what is the average. I am a 5 or a 6, and see myself as somewhat cold (shut down) and selfish, and cynical. If most people are "worse" than me, how can there be hope for this world. Author, librarian, master's degree in Philosophy
I scored 5 and I'm not surprised. I'm a bit of a misanthrope and constantly completely horrified at other people's selfishness and carelessness, and overall disgusted with humanity. I can see up to 10 to be fine and beneficial. Like calm under pressure is GOOD. Everything higher than that being normal is scary AF to me but explains so much.... So I guess my long established assessment that at least half of humanity is made up of selfish irresponsible asshats is correct. Of course everybody thinks they're the good guys. Even psychopaths. I'm plenty selfish myself in small ways. We tend to think higher of ourselves than others unless there are massive self esteem issues at play. So our view is biased but still. DAMN. Does not help my trust issues at all, lol. It's not easy living as a sheep among wolves trying to stay empathic and kind when the world is not like that. Super cynical disillusioned idealist at this point.
Hey, at eight or nine, I had the exact same experience. Web developer. What do you make of this now, nine months later? One thing is for sure: I will have no more bloody liberals tell me I am heartless. I'm thoroughly disturbed by this video. People are so much worse than what we collectively imagine humanity to be. To me, scoring 18 seems psychopathic.
If you listen again to the things he said prior to the questionnaire, the people who scored average or above are not worse (or better) than you. These are traits. I know a lot of people who would score below average but would have no problem walking over people to get what they want and who think it's always someone else's fault....that would be a 6. A psychopath isn't going to screw someone over or hurt people if it doesn't serve them. I would be much more worried about someone with borderline personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder, particularly covert NPD. They intentionally destroy people when it serves no purpose to them or seek it out to feed their own ego, respectively. I've been screwed over or treated badly by more so-called empaths & those who think they're better than people who would be perceived as less warm or empathetic than those who might be perceived as cold, uncaring & self-serving. Also, people have an unconscious bias towards getting a 'better' score or might not relate to a question either way so just imagine how they might feel.
You are so right, I have tried to say these things for so long and you hit it on the nail for me...well done Kev! Plus, there is no such thing as Narcissist there are only people suffering the illness of Narcissism...so there are so many levels and degrees, so well done! Having been abused by one, there was no help for them nor answers, so it is great hope for these people...
I thought a part of his point is that it isn't a "pathology"? More you have traits that are beneficial for specific situations that the general populace generally cannot handle.
15 and I'm a managing director. Depending on my mood at any given moment I could score slightly higher, or slightly lower. My empathy for humanity wavers as does my tolerance for planning Vs off the cuff behavioural patterns. I already knew I wouldn't score highly as I'm quite averse to sacking people, I find it by far the most difficult aspect of my job, though I have no issue with taking business from other people or screwing over my peers when the cookie crumbles. It's all in the game, yo.
Interesting input. Reading your words help explain the ways I feel as well, just could elaborate as accurately as you have. Once you are aware of the “game” it doesn’t seem like harming others. When I was younger, naively practicing religion, I would have sworn that taking advantage of others constituted terrible, immoral even, behavior. Well put.
@@LotusHart01 I think it's quite empathic to understand that people are a lot of the time totally aware of the consequences whenever they step into any particular arena. Whether it be sports, business, or love. In a sense, you take away their agency and infantilise them if you treat them like they can't handle loss. Unfortunately, much of society (particularly the US it seems) is set up to mollycoddle. The victim mentality is king. But I don't buy it, I'm not a victim, I'm in charge of my own destiny as are the vast majority of people I meet on a day to day basis.
Wow. I was thinking to myself what advantages of low psychopathy would be. The most obvious answer would be a skill that requires empathy to motivate the work. That's like exactly your job, is to be caring of the elderly. It doesn't give much power at all and it requires some level of genuine care for them to know what to say to them and do with them I would guess. Can you elaborate more on what you do with the elderly? I suppose some of the work is to hang out with them, when you do that do you have some understanding of what to talk about? Or do you think it's fun to play with them as they have no idea what is going on because of their dementia? Another related question I have is this: Do you think it is even worth wasting a bunch of resources on keeping them alive?
@@03david08 It gives tons of power. You have the power to end one of them with a light tap if you wanted to. Just a poosh and down they go ooohh nooo nana fell shes got dementia and she can't remember who pushed her ..
I find it fascinating that Dr Kev mentioned loneliness at the end. It’s understandable to see many of the traits of psychopathy as desirable for the advancement of the individual, indeed more power is often accrued through such behaviours. But surely with such exploitative tendencies in the long run even the most undiscerning people will see through them and the relational life of psychopaths will be empty by comparison to most people. I know a psychopath wouldn’t care about such an outcome in itself, but it should factor into the 99%’s assessment regarding the desirability of such a life. In the short term most people put psychopaths on a pedestal to be admired. In the long term we realise that while they are on that pedestal, most people just want to be known and loved.
I scored a 21, I am a COO for a public company. My score jumped when it came to the questions on decision making and taking risk. I do not believe in cheating and have empathy for injured animals.
I think if you ask the family members of any of these “good” psychopaths you would understand that there are no good psychopaths. These are people who will destroy anyone in the way of their goals.
I got 12p, and I am a farrier/farmer/stay at home mother. I got suprised by my own low score, as I perceive myself as more callous than the score would indicate. Interesting show as per usual.
That’s the idea of the test. They intentionally remove context out of it so that you start to unconsciously or consciously think about that yourself, thus guiding your answers towards your true intentions, if that makes sense. As I was doing the test, for example, I was introducing context by saying things to myself like “well it depends who the person is …” etc. I scored 18 by the way
I scored 17 which is about what I expected, I've been in enough dangerous situations, survived a few life and death situations, and done dangerous jobs, but I value all life and have strong empathy.
I scored a 13 and I am a Small Business manager of about 25 employees. What kept me from being higher on this scale is definitely empathy. I hate to see an animal in pain and do not believe if you get away with something that it's ok. (So cheating on your partner and scamming people)
Why do you care about the pain of animals? You must realize that hundreds of billions of at least somewhat sentient animals die every day and that the most likely way by far for them to die is in agonizing pain right? Consumed by parasites, eaten alive, choked, crushed, etc. What difference does one other mewling cat make. Especially cats, FFS, do you realize what THOSE do to other animals?
CEO’s tend to dinner with CEO’s, media people tend to dinner with media people, etc. would be interesting to note how conversations go when they are amongst groups of psychopaths. Actually, woke media output may be giving us an inkling
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EXACTLY what the LEFT wants , talk about people who don't have empathy with everyone .
Personally I just turn on the BBC or other deep state propaganda outlet, it is sociopath central.
A surgeon is not an emotionally detached psychopath you fool! Surgeon knows that cutting is helping and not hurting. Psychopaths feel no remorse hurting ppl. .
When you score 8...you are a guaranteed failure in this so-called modern world and thus quite possibly the seeds of revolution. Courage and incentive dependent. Comin for that ass cruel world.
These are very unintelligent conversations.
I scored an 8. I have a highly narcissistic mom who didn't even know I graduated college and was planning to go to law school. She has always had almost zero interest in my life. She told me: "You wouldn't have made a good lawyer" That stuck in my craw for years but maybe narcs and psychopaths know these things
My score was 4. Yeah I'm the type of person who apologizes to delivery driver when they have the wrong address and I'm not the person they are looking for
3!
I got 4 too!
Yeah, I only scored 6. I'm a bit surprised tbh.😆🤣
1237... Me too 😬.
I'm not the type to do that, I don't respond positively to being tred upon, but I also scored 4, and was surprised, and frankly, am still feeling disturbed by the scores of the hosts.
I think I'm in the comments looking for answers.
In the 70s everybody was afraid of psychopaths.
Today everybody is trying to become one.
ik2254 - trying to become one 😂You mean already being one ! They are everywhere in business and politics like an evil virus.
Legit. Culture turned psychopathic in the late '80s and now society is crumbling and everyone is shocked
These two should shit themselves if they came across a real one. Couple of melts
Or marry one
@@ik2254That sounds rather prideful and somewhat simplistic... Are you one?
My Mother was a nurse, she tells a story of a surgeon who had a reputation for some of these behaviours. He once took a woman's breast off during surgery for a benign tumor, he was running late to a golf game and didnt have time to operate properly. This was in the 70s when medics and surgeons were treated like gods, but its a cautionary tale. You have to have zero conscience to do that to a young woman
From personal dealings they still expect to be treated like gods and can turn rather cruel and cold towards those who refuse to offer worship at their altar.
The question that occurred to me watching this episode, which ties into your post is-if surgeons are high on the list of occupations with high psychopathy traits, and that means self-internet with a lack of remorse, wouldn’t it stand to reason that many malignant surgeons views the trans movement nefariously as an opportunity to exploit vulnerable people for money?
@@tylerblack676 saw this in action on Shape Shifter video 3 weeks ago ‘medical experiment exposed on national tv ft Marci bowers’
Unsure of origins of this quote
‘Removing healthy organs, inducing permanent disability as a mood booster, is not medical best interest’
Harold Shipman behaviour
Wow, that's cold.
@@tylerblack676
I'm thinking the same. When he was talking about different branches of surgery having different levels of psychopathy I thought EXACTLY that.
Surgeons who do these surgeries genuinely seem to be self-interested psychopaths.
The "harvesting" of skin from one part of a person's body to be used in another, the very many revision and corrective surgeries that are needed for all genital surgeries.... I've said many times that I think these surgeons are GHOULS.
To irrevocably fuck up someone's sex life, sex drive, ability to pee, ability to function... the amount of scarring and nerve damage they could cause, the loss of function... these surgeons seen to have little empathy for their patients (their "victims"??) or little regard for their long term mental and emotional health. They play god every day with people's bodies and their future suffering, physical and psychological. It's a profitable racket for unscrupulous, psychopathic surgeons who "sell" an unrealistic dream of perfection but deliver work that often needs multiple, maybe dozens, of further surgeries. Which clearly means more cash for them, more suffering and risk for the patient. They don't seem to care.
I think that branch of surgery DEFINITELY attracts psychopaths with no conscience and no remorse. They're just happy to exploit the vulnerable and desperate for 💸💰💰💸
I scored 6. I am a 29 year old male engineer. From a very young age I have always been sensitive to betrayals of innocence. It's like the exact opposite to the psychopathic belief of 'if you're able to con someone, they deserve it'. The innocence in a person's face when they are tricked, disappointed and betrayed can cause me a lot of pain.
Well most narcissists sociopaths and psychopaths gleem with shiny eyes of excitement when they know they have cause someone pain..even emotional pain. It makes them feel alllll powerful.
@@sarahmurphy-nf4yl it's really hard for me to stomach hearing your statement 😢
Same
you're dating material
31 year old CEO of a commercial lending company, I scored a 30 I bet I'm not nearly as "evil" as you'd think. I just try to make practical decisions within a competitive environment, I'm just trying to maximize gain within the law over a certain time frame. It's hard to succeed with any other rationale, I've tried modifying my behavior as an experiment and I simply lost a lot of money. I think I make practical decisions more than emotionally charged "evil" decisions. In fact I don't think I've ever intentionally tried to "hurt" someone unprovoked in any way. I also somewhat doubt the validity of this test if I'm perfectly honest. I care deeply about my immediate family in friends as far as I can tell. Just other than that doesn't seem practical.
"Genetics loads the gun, personality aims it, and environment pulls the trigger."
~ Jim Clemente
other than fact that genetics isn't a bullet, the personality isn't a gun & the environment isn't a finger, that's a perfect analogy..☻️
Personality comes from genetics and environment, it’s not a separate thing.
Thanx for posting that ,Very Genius indeed ❤
This isn't an "environment" it is a controlled monkey farm with really bad state actors in a final attempt at novel gross reductionism through botched epigenetics.
Inadvertently creating the very master race you envy so much. 😁
@@words4dyslexicon your nullified weapon is STILL going to put you in jail for the murderer you are.
I have worked both with and for psychopaths, I am married to a narcissist…. It’s more common than most people think, and it is a spectrum. Narcissism, I believe, is truly on the rise, with much of it fed by our empty, social media ridden society.
"I have worked both with and for psychopaths" + "I am married to a narcissist" = what could that mean? any wild guess?
I got the impression from this that a psychopath will make a good CEO or surgeon because he/she can make ruthless decisions. My earlier education about psychopaths is that they lack empathy and conscience. Surely a normal person who has empathy and a conscience could be just as good at surgery, he/she just needs to overcome feelings when operating? A psychopath may do the job, but be callous as in the case below (James Gornall), and treat people close to them with callousness? IE shrug off their kids when they are being bullied at school, walk on by wheh their spouse has lost a parent? If they are a genuine psychopath, surely they cannot avoid being "cool" just by being intelligent? The are bound to be hurting someone?
@@sandracrawford9813 Kind of funny ... I meet so many people who think anyone around them is a psychopath/narcissist except themselves, of course. Once they trumpet that I already know I have to keep distance from them -)
@@dancroitoru364 Spot On. Mind you she could also be attracted to these types if she's a more meek "giver" type that needs to maintain a victim mentality.
Like a majority of the current generation seems to crave: being a victim, whilst never knowing true trauma or hardship. Sigh.
@@welshrecon I wholeheartedly agree with you. I even believe white society are a force of concentrated narcissism projected to the world via social media, influencing and encouraging narcissism and setting a terrible psychological standard. And psychopaths socialise others into sociopathy which widens the spectrum, and creates a distorted relationship which produces a distorted reality in favour of the most distorted minds (the psychopaths).
I haven't been this absorbed in a speaker in years. This guy is fascinating.
Scored 5. I'm a social science researcher. Honestly, most of these are moral issues to me. I was shocked at how horrible some of the questions are. It's terrifying that you can go all the way up to 17 before you even hit "average". Lord, have mercy.
That shocked me too. Does that mean that most people are really quite heartless? Compared to those of us who scored very low, I guess it does
@@lucydayLucida @curiousing I'm the same! I scored 6, and I felt like I was normal. This has really changed the way I look at the world. I ordered The Good Psychopath's Guide to Success before the end of the video!
I scored 4. Was shocked at the average..
@@lucydayLucida What does an attraction to fast cars and skydiving, for example, have to do with heartlessness? Being a spur-of-the-moment type person? Not having qualms about the mere cancelling of engagements? Being very persuasive? Keeping a cool head under pressure? There's 15 points right there.
@@dixonpinfold2582 If you actually read what I wrote there I am asking the same question
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because a psychopath can emotionally detach (to perform their job) that does not imply that everyone who can emotionally detach is a psychopath. The simple difference is that the psychopath doesn't care about harming others. This is why they rise to power, they have no morals to hold them back.
Secondary Psycopathy is this, it's detached Psycopathy.
Technically there is no split, if someone's a primary they have secondary traits, but secondary Psycopathy USUALLY has almost no primary traits, due to one being genes and environmental, and second being all environmental.
Primary is correlated with NPD/HPD.
Secondary is correlated with BPD/ASPD.
This makes everything a lot more fluid in understanding, despite there being no real consensus.. the disorder/divergence essentially being bigfoot, it's not as important as the he co-morbidity, this is what causes all sorts of problems or makes it a bad thing to have, ADHD, OCD, schizo/psychotic stuff, paraphilias, depressive disorders, hell even being poor lmao are all baaaaad and from the environment, and are defense mechanisms.
You can see all these problems in serial killers, mass killers and there family, school shooters, drug dealers 😂
@@AnimosityIncarnate So if you are able to detach from emotions you are on the psycopathy "spectrum"? (genuine question)
Mostly right however it's not exactly that simple. Functional psychopaths are low in empathy, but they do have it. Ask me how I know...🤣
something a psychopath would want us to believe
I scored a 6 as a social worker and artist. However, people who hurt or scam other people for their own benefit, especially the old and vulnerable, will unleash the beast in me.
I scored 7 and I'm the same ... I could become a psycho pretty quickly when I sense injustice 😳
Mama bear syndrome
Is being passionate about justice really psycho-ish? I genuinely want to know. I get very crazy excited and stubborn and passionate about justice but I'm not a psychopath.
@libbylee 9 - 9
No it's not. If anything, passion for justice is a sign of empathy. It means you have a strong passion for what is morally/ethically righteous (at least to your own ideological beliefs). A psychopath or someone with high levels of Dark Triad personality traits would be more interested in how to manipulate the justice system to benefit themselves than actually seeing justice carried out.
@@BulkernatorKerb (O o O)... What is a dark triad personality? I don't really get into all the traits and 'what type of this are you' quizzes and I've never heard of this triad thingy. Sounds elden ring level dark.
Nurses. They run at the two extremes of the spectrum, one half too empathic and one half are too psychopathic, and it creates extreme and constant drama within the ward.
Generally the two extremes seriously dislike each other and backstab each other a lot. The psychopathic nurses refuse patients pain relief, happily be rough with them, force them up and about when they’re in agony, will go into surgery and deal with code blue without any trauma nor need any debriefing, are emotionless in palliative care, and they’re the ones who survive long term in the profession without burnout, I don’t like them at all. We call them “iron maidens”, “battle axes” or “queen bees”. The patients don’t usually like them either.
On the other hand; the empathetic nurses try to push for more pain relief, more comfort, more time to go gentle on patients, don’t cope well with surgery, need debriefing after traumatic resus, or post patient death, and will suffer burnout. But patients usually love them. I burned out of that industry after 9years. It’s a very interesting profession to examine if you want to see the difference between a psychopathic person and a highly empathetic person, because every nurse will be on the extreme end, one way or the other and if you watch them in action, it’s very clear to observe that difference. They’re very very different.
True! I’m not a nurse but work with mostly women. Drama and trauma all day every day.
I called out a psycho queen for trying to have my daughter forceable move her arm after some surgery, she was putting her in pain, I had her changed to another nurse and to work on my kid so yes there are two types met one of them
I'm a healthcare assistant and I work with nurses and I've seen this.. its really disheartening I wish nurse and hcas could wear bodycams I know its a gdpr breech but my god would a lot change if that was the case .
This explains my different experiences as a patient suffering hear attack like symptoms at the ER. The first time got a very empathetic crew. I had symptoms again a few days later, and the ER doctor told me my High blood pressure issues and dizziness were not an emergency and walked away. The nurse was just as cold, and I left feeling intimidated from ever going back. I had to go back again because the symptoms were too bad to ignore. I got a good crew and when I told them the the last doctor and crew made me feel I was bothering them, they let me know for the symptoms I was having it was definitely justified to go to the emergency room. Now I understand: psychopath doctors and nurses and they tend to work together. It was like the iron maiden had the psychopath ER doctor's back
Yes, I was in ICU
First night the nurse was an angel, I was so sick , so much pain. Second night in came the devil in human form. As soon as I heard her voice ( I couldn't speak or move but ) I knew she was manic. She neglected me, tossed me around and sexually debased me by pulling up my gown ( I had a catheter ) to my belly button for no reason. It was the night from hell. No cameras, one nurse with all power.
I scored 3, long live the softies ❤️ We might not become CEOs or neurosurgeons, but I'm sure the world without us would be a much worse place.
I scored 3 also
I scored an 11 and I'm a business owner. I'm doubtful that having a high score guarantees success, when it could just as easily get you into a lot of trouble. People with high scores who become troublesome to society could be easily ganged-up on by us empathetic individuals and taken out. I'm certain this same scenario I just described has played out numerous times throughout human evolutionary history.
@@steveh.7664 Yes, I agree that the high score must be accompanied by a set of skills, otherwise it's a recipe for trouble rather than any sort of success. And even with skills and talents, most people with high scores will become moderately successful, and only very few of those will become CEOs and neurosurgeons.
But a person with a low score will still be less likely to get to a top position, not because they're lacking in qualifications, but rather because they won't have the motivation and the drive to fight it through to the top.
Let's use myself as an example. I derive zero satisfaction from managing others. I've been offered a managerial position in the past, and I saw it only as a burden. I knew I would take my responsibilities extremely seriously and that it would eat me from inside, giving me zero satisfaction in exchange.
You could say that for many people being a manager isn't fun, but they do it for money. I am only moderately motivated by money. Of course money motivates me because money means survival, but I am not motivated by the status money can bring me - that's how we get to the last point:
I am not motivated by feeling superior to others. On the contrary, I will avoid situations in which I could make you feel inferior in any way. If I'm more educated than you, I won't mention it, and if it is mentioned, I will play it down. If I have more spending money than you, I won't talk to you about the things I've bought, even if I know that in general you have more money than me, but have also bigger obligations, so you just can't spend as much on yourself.
I won't brag, because I may see your discomfort, and that will spoil the joy for me.
So what else is there that could motivate me to fight for the top position? It's not worth the fight for me. I'd much rather spend time with my two- and four-legged loved ones, doing the things I enjoy.
So did I. I gave myself some points on technicalities otherwise I might have been a zero 😂
I love you for your mentality, but, psychopaths typically get away with a lot of things because of softies.
My wife's cousin was a nurse at UCLA Medical. The surgeons description about psychopathic surgeons, especially neuropathic surgeons, seems to ring true based on what he told me. They're top neurosurgeon was a heartless bastard, everyone hated him. But he was one of the best in the world.
I've heard about this kind of thing before. I'm sure it takes a certain amount of psychopathy to be comfortable with cutting open another human being
@@evancleary5075 lobotomy
Dr. House?
I know the character wasn't a surgeon but def a lunatic with a little sprinkle of warmth 😆
I dated a neurosurgeon. He admitted to being a psychopath.
@@sandyp6523 I'd totally believe that.
Spotting them is easy, voting them out if power is more difficult
Spotting them is impossible for most, sadly. There have been several occasions when one screwed me over, then others made excuses for said psychopath when they screwed them over as well.
A lot of "well his childhood was tough." So was mine but you don't see me stealing from and slandering friends and family with no remorse! "He is sorry." If he's sorry then why is he continuing to slander me, refusing to pay me back, or even speak to me? He never apologized or paid back the person mindlessly defending him either. It's so frustrating how naive most people are.
The politicians are the narcissists. The power behind them are the psychopaths.
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Nailed it
Most real psychpaths, as opposed to Narcissists, arent really professionally successful.
Boy, so many of my supervisors were psychopaths. The thing is us normal people have no way to fight back except to leave, I guess. Best video from you guys yet. Brilliant!
CEOS, what these 2 would die to be?
I've had bosses who were psychos but I always kept them in check. Never let them take advantage of me or intimidate or humiliate me.
"He could sell shaving cream to the Taliban" that really got me 😂
Maybe to shave their legs 😂
@@theeggtimertictic1136 maximum security prison is coming for you ins3ct.
This was a very informative interview. Funny at times because after working in healthcare for 30 years I have seen some terrible behaviour from surgeons.
Amen
Each new class of interns has at least a few specimens.
My mother in law was in nursing for decades. She says there is no way she would be a nurse now. Low ethics
We have a joke here in France :
What’s the difference between a surgeon and God ?
God doesn’t believe himself as a surgeon.
@@Souxie123 PRICELESS.
.LOVE THAT.
My story: I had a "normal" life, then had health problems and quite literally became a hermit for about 15 years. When I came out of hibernation, my business grew, and I had to hire people. Ever since then, I've been obsessed with sociopaths, psychopaths, and narcisissts. My time alone made the madness of the world stand out in sharp relief. It takes all my willpower not to wish horrible fiery death on everyone, now. Sincerely, I did not know there were so many evil people in the world. I'm not saying all my employees were bad, not at all, but the bad ones were insufferable.
Similar deal with my mother. Had some health issues that had her down for a long while.... enough time away that she had "unplugged"... when she "came back" around she apologized to me and said she can't believe that she never saw the absolute madness of everything around us. She never could see it.... but now she says she can't understand how others can't wake up and see it all.
Myself, I've recently become absolutely disgusted with the moral state of humanity.... I try to see the good so I don't absolutely fall into a hole, but it's become increasingly difficult
What was your score? I got 5 and I can go through period of alienation at the relative callousness and lack of caring others seem to have, including their levels of dishonesty.
I was a misanthrope before the pandemic/lock downs, and let's just say it didn't get any better during that time. I now really dislike most people and am down to one friend. I can no longer suffer fools. I understand Sartre's famous saying: "Hell is other people."
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@Dave Blue I got a 5 too, which doesn't square with my reactive wish to tear the evil politicians in charge limb from limb. Once you look at the lies & actual results of their behaviour you just can't unsee it. Utter corruption.
Scored 10. Acupuncturist, massage therapist, healer. Used to run a massage school. Now, 30 yrs later, i see the protection i need for myself and family that i never knew about, in dealing with psychopaths and narcs who we trusted. They caused so much chaos, pain, financial rip offs and a broken family. We, as a family, have Gotta Learn New Skills!
2. A stay-at-home mom that homeschooled my kids, had a pet sitting business and taught kids in a homeschool group.
My mom always said that I had a really, really strong conscience and I'm very empathic.
Ruthlessness isn't working harder, it's sabotaging the competitor.
I would argue that it is pressing someone that shows weakness, instead of doing the polite thing and let them regain their composure.
This is in legal arguments, politics, sports, etc.
No, that's being a backstabbing asshole. Ruthlessness is a much broader term, and could mean anything from backstabbing to triage in a hospital tent somewhere. Do you let people suffer in pain to save the people you can? Do you ignore the ones in pain and dying in pain, or do you not? Do you let people starve to allow for the food to last longer? Do you wipe out the families of innocent people in order to wipe out your enemy who are hiding in their houses?
That's ruthlessness.
Let him judge
@@gorgo4910 stealing is not sabotaging lost capabilities in being a normal professional person
@@a44489no one is judging people laughing....on high schoolers actions
Every now and then i come across a video that reminds me why i used to love youtube so much. This is one of them.
Scored a 20. I was in the Marines as a 5954, Tower climber building cell sites, electrician, and now I program PLC programs for chemical distribution systems.
what was ur reaction when you saw the score?
I scored a 2. No wonder I don't like most people, most of them are evil.
Same, same...
One of the most fascinating interviews that you have conducted. Brilliant!
Really enjoying this. I’ve read a few of his books but it’s great to hear him speak. What a likeable guy, someone I would really enjoy having a drink with
Great idea Mark!! What an interesting conversation it would be with your combined knowledge and experience. I'd love to be a fly-on-the-wall 😊
I'd love to see them get you on the show Mark, it would be so insightful
@@TomMorterLaing Thanks very much. Would be a great discussion with those two. I bet they would ask some really interesting questions
@@livingareallifeabroad7588 Thanks yes it would be great fun
A great episode! Enjoyed it thoroughly, actually had some nice takeaways and not just about psychopathy but strategies in life in general. Rly insightful and Dr Kevin is just so pleasant to listen to
Did you get a Chinese takeaway? 😂
I kinda wish I had a little psychopathy. It would seem like they have it easier in life, probably nothing keeping them up at night, no self-sacrifice. Being low kinda sucks, actually.
It does have it's downsides. Imagine living a life where you feel you should be more important than you actually are, and you lack the skills or ability to achieve any kind of success, so you spend your entire life feeling as if you are a bit of a failure, because you don't, and cant, meet the expectations that you innately feel you should receive. (BTW, I'm not a psychopath and score very low on the scale. So low in fact, that I can empathise with the problems of being a psychopath!)
@@Torquemadia empathy is harrrrrrd….
@@Torquemadia All our bridges in life will remain intact tho! Unless we consciously decide to burn them
I scored 12 and also thinking I need a few more points.
@@eoinoconnell185 7 for me. And it’s draining.
Swiftly becoming the best talk show
As a former OR nurse some of the most skilled surgeons I worked with were also some of the biggest a-holes who really didn't seem to care about anyone. They were miserable to work around but they were absolutely the ones who I'd want to perform my surgery if need be.
Edit: of course this wasn't universally true. I also worked with a lot of absolutely lovely surgeons who were a joy to work with and who were also incredibly skilled. A lot of it seemed to depend on specialty. General surgeons, ortho docs, and podiatrists seemed to be the biggest jerks.
@bina nocht nope, I meant podiatrists. I only worked with 1 podiatrist who was really a joy to work with. Most were just JV ortho attitude.
@@binanocht6110 Maybe the whole reason they went into feet is 'foot fettish' ;-) creepy yikes
My podiatrist is fabulous ! Did a beautiful job on my bunion surgery.. I was an obedient patient and didn’t step on my foot for the recommended time like so many do .. he helps me with tiny cortisone shots in my foot every now and then when they ache .. .. he’s loved by many .. guess we are lucky over here in Melbourne, Florida
Same, sort of. The best MD was a universally recognized jerk, but maybe the softies are also better than we judged. Maybe we were strong armed into believing the jerk was the best. I don’t want a surgeon who cares less.
I scored 7 and I’m self employed (own a small online shop).
I could honestly use a bit more psychopathic tendencies as the business world is very cutthroat and when dealing with other companies in situations where I have to be really firm and stick up for myself it makes me very uncomfortable.
On the flip side my business has a very good reputation as I really enjoy taking care of my customers and own my mistakes which people seem to respond to very positively.
So being a 7 is very good for my customers and business’s reputation but I’m never going to be rich because I refuse to do things which I see as immoral when dealing with other businesses or my competition.
I scored 8 and am considering opening a small online business haha
Get Kevin Dutton & Andy Mcnabs ' book called The Good Psycopaths Guide to Success. You'll enjoy it.
@@colinstewart1432 it's already in my Amazon basket lol
@@wckd4u good luck to you my fellow low rating psychopath lol. You'll be fine =) The wise words of Dave Chapelle's mum always help me in difficult situations where I could use a bit more psychopath points: "sometimes you have the be a lion, to be the lamb you really are"
@@KateLibby555 Brilliant. Enjoy. ✌️
My ex-wife was definitely a narcissist. Every time that I talked to my relatives or neighbors, she would always ask, “What did they say about me?” She would always seem to get upset when I told her that we really didn’t discuss anything about her.
He’s a great speaker. Must give amazing lectures.
yep - he's a liar and a true psychopath. the trope with the psychopath bartender is well known. Trust Dr "K" for soon having QR codes for your diagnostic. The scanner will show: Personality Type: XQEMP23 Profile: "Inverted Narcissist" -))
I laughed at the discussion of the most psychopathic medical specialists, I knew he would say orthopaedic. A friend of mine who is a anesthesiologist, once remarked that he had a long list of orthopaedic doctor's that he wouldn't let anywhere near him, and the list was with his next of kin.
I'd say heads of health agencies - eg CDC, NIH, SAGE, & NEPHT here in Ireland - would score very highly.............
@@johnglennmercury7 I agree
@@johnglennmercury7 Licensed control freakery.
Yes- listen to the first Dr. Death podcast about Christopher Duntsch. Terrifying what he got away with!
@@johnglennmercury7 Same with here in Canada. Bonnie Henry is just HORRID (British Columbia) she acts so meek and soft spoken though, it's creepy AF.
I'm blessed/cursed with the ability to see things from both sides, so I'm most comfortable when there's a "neither" option (like if there was a 1.5 choice here). So I kept thinking, well, under certain circumstances..... I'm a former math teacher, former office worker, and retired software engineer.
One of the best interviews in years. So much better when the speaker gives good examples and real life stories to emphasise his points.
I was in prison for a short while a long time ago and as an educated and empathic person i was ok listening to other people who were having a hard time adjusting. One was this kid who came in really polite only a tiny thing, 18 years old i thought what's he done robbed a moped or something bloody hell, he made us a brew we sat down had some rice krispies. He said "lads, i think im in for a bit of a stretch" i said why what have you done lad he says, "i had a beef with a lad at work, i went in to the workshop one day after work for something and he was there fast asleep so i got a sledgehammer and hit him in the head half a dozen times" i was a bit taken aback and said, erm, "was he okay" he said, "no, his head was smashed in like a watermelon, his eye was hanging out" i said ok yes i think you might have to get used to life here young man. Would you like another cuppa? "Oh yes please," he said and we had a nice evening watching films and talking about Marvel movies. You never, never can tell boys and girls, some lads there involved in very very high profile murders and honestly some of the best chaps ive ever met. In terms of sneakiness, sliminess, untrustworthiness, the common thieves and muggers were the absolute worst.
Yeh, I'm pretty sure I would take someone who would rob me blind over someone who would bash my skull in because of a "beef", no matter how personable the "bash my skull in" chap might be.
@@Torquemadia not for everyday life you wouldnt, drug addicts and petty thieves are often impossible to exist with in constrained circumstances, a couple of weeks having some of the few things you're allowed to have stolen and having to either deal with the thief or looking like a complete bitch, you'll be upset. Its a relief being housed with murderers after that. As for the "beef" bit, use your manners and listen a lot but say little and nobody will have an issue, its a relief for most people just to meet someone who ist a bullshitter
Yes I have the same experience. I was working in a prison in Norway for 3 months as a "substitute" for military service when I was younger. I was assigned to the department of physical training, basically taking prisoners to the gym, also went shopping for prisoners for whatever they wanted as long as it was not illegal things. It was the part of the prison where the prisoners for one reason or another wanted to isolate from the other prisoners. Anyway one of the prisoners was a 60 something year old guy. He was a very gentle soft spoken guy. Not coming across as sneaky, aggressive or dishonest in any way. Every Friday he would fire up the waffle maker, the priest would come for a visit and we would have coffee together with the prisoners, have a nice chat and generally just have a social occasion. The old guy would make waffles and just behave like a perfect host trying to make everyone comfortable. I was warned against him though, that he would try to make you do something "illegal" or against the rules as that would make him get a hold over you that he could use later. And sure an behold one day he tried that on me, asking me if I could deliver his football gambling in the shop not far from the prison. We did these sorts of things for them, buying them things etc. But gambling was not allowed for prisoners so it could have potentially be a problem, not big but still. This guy was a proper psychopath but hid it so well I could not believe it. It thought me a lesson on this kind of thing. So what was this guy in for? Well he was a serial killer. He made a habit of travelling around the area where he lived breaking in to mainly very old people, stealing whatever he could of money and valuables, and at the same time killing the people, not using weapons of any kind, just beating them to death with his fist, often took some time so he was not only a psyko but a sadist as well.
@@jamesgornall5731 - yah I figure it’s a stressful situation in there for everyone so not being a problem is what most ppl are hoping for. Whereas petty assholes just make things complicated and stressful.
@@Torquemadia - depends on the beef. Don’t be a dick to ppl and then you don’t have to worry about getting your skull bashed in. Petty thieves and drug addicts are too unpredictable imo. I’ll take a controlled person over an unpredictable one any day.
I scored 9. I am an Art Therapist. Happy I scored low. I am a female with high functioning Aspergers. I have had people ask me over the years if I was.. nope, my empathy is in tact.. my social etiquette not so much 😅❤
Scored 5. I work in videogame localization. Would rather spend my entire life daydreaming and hiking, away from other people. I don't like most people's selfish careless behavior. My dream home would be a cabin in the woods with cats and dogs or high up a mountain in peace and quiet but with internet access, lol.
This world is scary horrifying place to me!
That's my dream home too!!!
My psychopath scale is 6. Explains a lot. I'm not made for this world.
I got 3 - boy am I dull.
@@TheFiddle101😂no just a nice! Unfortunately I’ve now learned in my 50ties you have to be a lot less nice to people because other people don’t appreciate it and you’ve got to protect yourself from that. Makes life a lot easier to deal with 😂
Me too hahaha
@@yvonneflanagan2312 I do agree, some people see kindness as something to be exploited. Well, nice to know we're on the same page.
I only got 4…
Work from home in finance, so no wonder I got such a low score. I need to get out more 😂😂
I just retired from being a surg tech and this is all true. I worked for a cardiology/heart consultant practice and one of the docs I worked with created the "roto-rooter" technique (Dr. Bishop). We, as techs, had to be emotionally disconnected from the surgeries we were participating in. While the surgeon could be totally focused on a single object in the field, we'd be seeing the whole field, which could be quite horrifying. One side effect I noted was that gory movies stopped bothering me after a few years in the OR.
I loved every minute of that, too! Thank you for that brilliant conversation!
Scored 7 - I’m an IT process consultant.
I scored 8. Thinking of the questions, how people can answer 2 or 3 and think they are fine?
Same here. Scored 7 - university lecturer of philology
@@newadam573 Did you answer 3 for any of the questions where you have no problem to ignore people and whatever you promised to do?
Probably my favourite interview so far. What am amazing guest. I've referenced some of Kev's work in the past for stuff I've written, but never seen an interview with him. Really cool fellas.
Scored 21 - Run a joinery firm. Not a psycho, but more suited to leadership than the average person. Quick decion making in hard times.
For anyone who wants to do the psychopath test, it starts at 28:15
Edit: 13. And I'm a lawyer. I would note that there were a few questions where I think I would rate higher depending on the situation. Animals in pain for instance. Depends on the animal.
(edit: a couple of people have pointed to this one specifically and seem to take umbrage with my position, so I'll try to elaborate.
I do not take any pleasure in seeing animals in pain, however, I grew up in a rural area, and witnessed how brutal nature is on a daily basis. It is an unfortunate reality that a person can become indifferent to animals suffering. That is where I am at.)
Would I step on other people? Generally no, but it depends on the objective. If I'm trying to win at a game, that's kind of the point.
Cancelling an appointment? Depends on how much better it is/whether I can rely on that opportunity to arise again. I would also add that you should tell the person you are cancelling on exactly why you did it, and in advance.
Don't blame me if things go wrong. Depends on my level of involvement and if I am doing my job. I will take the blame if it is clearly my fault, but I'm not taking flak for someone else's screw up.
Well said, I took the test
I'm extremely skeptical that lawyer got 13.
This part was of particular interest to me: "Don't blame me if things go wrong. Depends on my level of involvement and if I am doing my job. I will take the blame if it is clearly my fault, but I'm not taking flak for someone else's screw up."
I am not saying you are wrong in your approach to this- I just was marveling at how different my reply was and my reasoning. In my mind, if something goes wrong, I am perfectly willing to reexamine myself and my position, hoping to find what errors I may have made and to correct them. I default to a position of "if something went wrong, there is a good chance my incompetency had something to do with it".
My overall score was a 3.5. Once upon a time I would have thought that a good thing, but it is just a thing, and there are good and bad sides to it. I have been taken advantage of in horrible ways- and I can certainly see the correlation to my score and how I am an easy target. No doubt, you are much sharper in many ways and less likely to be so naïve and gullible as I have been, so I envy you there!
Thank you for sharing your score and your personal insight!
@@Zeyr01 The impression I got was that it's trial lawyers - the ones who have to put on a convincing act before a judge or jury - that benefit most from a degree of psychopathy. But most lawyers are not trial lawyers.
@@Zeyr01 It's a common misconception that all lawyers are super aggressive win at all cost types of people.
The sharks certainly exist, but are not the norm.
Most of us realize that we need to have good working relationships with other lawyers in order serve our clients better. It's much easier to get things done when you regularly have lunch with the person across the courtroom.
Also, I think I might be the type of person who can turn it on and off. I can be a real stickler when I want to be, but I only do it if there is no other option.
Another great interview, really enjoy hearing from experts about the human mind, it's so fascinating to continue learning. Well done Dr. Dutton and lads!
28:11 The Psychopath Test
39:00 types of Psychopaths in today's Society
53:27 the bar episode with SAS special forces Andy McNab
58:34. Are psychopaths able to control their behaviour ?
1:11:57 how do you spot a psychopath?
The hero we needed. Thank you Sir 🙏
looks like youre missing a few
Thank u!
You rank 'Low' on the Psychopath Spectrum.
You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You avoid hurting others and are easily hurt yourself. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others . . . ’ are your watchwords. Close enough but i can be a total bastard when need be
I got the same. I'm an architect. Going to work on being more of a psycho now 🙂
@@Smitch2909 Aye but reign it in tho..those curvy corrigated steel roofs are shite
I got a 'high' - but I'm not surprised.
My (ex) wife persuaded me to do a test some years ago, on which I scored 25/30. I'm pretty confident I am less of a psychopath now than I was 20 years ago though - having children seems to have made a difference.
I have worked in a few professions, and very successful in a sequence of businesses, allowing me to retire at the age of 40.
When the zombie apocalypse finally arrives - the crew that follows me will be the one that survives. Most people can't make the difficult decisions.
I do have some boundaries. I still see most lawyers as far more ruthless than I have ever been.
Is this your opinion or have you copied and pasted it?
As I scored 10 and I am the complete opposite of what you've described?
@@philthepower1359 If you do the test online it gives you a little description at the end. The description astralchimp references is the description they give for the least psycho.
In the mid-90s when I was studying clinical psychology I was taught that there was such a thing as "good" psychopathy - ie surgeons, soldiers, CEOs etc. It was linked with Freudian reaction formation - ie sublimating certain potentially problematic desires into a positive (for self and others) direction. I didn't think it was controversial that there was such a thing as good psychopathy!
And they aren't psychopaths, sitting with a nazi propaganda poster on the wall of a pseudo scientist?
I paused the vid just to write this about "lack of empathy" as being a quality to make tough decisions under pressure. He had given the story of Churchill and that made me think of the well known fact that Churchill had broken the "Enigma" code machine of the Nazi's and had found out that London was going to be bombed by a massive air attack. But in order not to let the Nazi's know that Enigma was broken, he had to keep the knowledge of the bombing raid secret. Thereby dooming perhaps thousands to terrible death and destruction. Now that is a decision not many could make.
Did not know that! 'The Rest is History Podcast' have a very interesting episode (or 2?) about Churchill! Based on these questions, I would say he would've scored very high but still, I don't think he was a psychopath (and I'm Irish! 😅) I think he simply grew up with zero empathy or love shown to him from his parents.
I think he had remorse. He was a big drinker.
@@marietteestabrook4098 Hmm that could also be impulsivity and emotional emptiness, which according to the psychopath channel HG Tudor is pretty common. ASPD people tend to have dampened emotions generally and a void to fill, and some will fill it with random violence, toying with people or other thrills just to feel something
@@sarahproseccoChurchill was most likely bipolar
I got a 7, which is not surprising as a highly agreeable and extremely introverted person.
I had a friend studying psychology back in early 2000s.
As part of his study he asked me to take the LSRPS (Levenson Self-Report Psychopathy Scale).
As I was making my answers I was convinced I was doing great as I knew all the answers without having to think.
I scored 4/5 on the primary test and 4.5/5 on the secondary test.
My primary score was higher than 91.11% of people taking the test and my secondary score was higher than 98.48% of people taking the test.
For anyone that doesn't know how the tests scoring works, the higher the score out 5 the worse it is.
Basically I discovered I was a psychopath by helping a mate with university course work
The good thing about it was suddenly everything made sense.
With regards to the test on this I scored 27\33
I'm a computer programmer
@@wolfrahmphosphoros5808 sorry, tried to put a link to one but youtube is continually deleting my reply.
Google it
It is because you believe in the matrix ;-)
Another coder here. I scored nine. Are you sure you are not autistic?
Most conversations I watch on this topic have me self diagnosing myself on the psychopath spectrum, but not this one, so that's a nice breath of fresh air. Score: 7, female, small business owner (winery), no children.
Yeah that's a by product of bad pop psychology, not any individuals fault.
I got 26, I voted 0 for cheating, cause I reeeeeeally love loyalty. (Possessive love means retaining an object, I'd prefer they want to be here too 😂)
Most psycopaths know, early. You don't need a test to confirm this, it's obvious you don't act right and LACK pro social emotions, hyper active tunnel visioning, not really reacting to gore(not enjoying it just simply a cold disposition like normal lmao) trouble making friends unless you have severe grandiose confidence which comes with a whole host of other problems and leaves you way more likely to have ego hits and easily exploitable vulnerabilities..
Easiest give away is learning that you don't actually move into action when people are in distress...
This is usually in literature claimed to be dupers delight and is us "enjoying distress" but that's one potential.
Distress in others makes me uncomfortable and I just sit and stare if I don't FORCE myself to act. Over time this became normal, and I act towards helping more then I have dupers delight (if people wrong me I sure can without remorse for the rest of both our times on earth lol)
But still no resonance inside, this actually sucks and is more lonely and miserable then a cool or based thing once you have a mirror forced infront of you to gain insight and self awareness. 🤷
You did the test. Therefore you're not a psycopath @DevoidVoid
I am 39 (formerly a marine, offshore commercial diver and now a refinery emergency responder) and I scored 14. It has got me thinking, can how you score (or more importantly, your psychopathy)change as you get older? I would have definitely scored higher in my 20’s on some of the questions than I would now, or do we just learn to manage it/reign it in?🤔
I would think the likelihood is very strong that it does as, personally, my ADHD traits/symptoms/characteristics have dulled as I've aged.
I totally agree that scores would change over the lifespan. I think most teenagers are psychopathic
I would love to hear Dr. Dutton answer that question. When the brain is less developed (i.e teenagers) are they more prone to psychopathy? In some ways is a psychopath someone whose brain is stuck in adolescence?
I think some might mellow out a bit with age. I know a guy in his 70s that I can tolerate but have thought to myself-- he must have been a real bastage when he was younger.
The brain doesn’t fully develop until you’re 23 and full emotional development is higher than 25, and around 30 today. Young people aren’t fully formed and are easy manipulated by the influence in their environment.
Enjoyed this immensely. Dr Kevin Dutton's interview has become my joint all time Triggernometry favourite along with the Kellie-Jay one. Brilliant, thanks 😊
Scored 18 and am a tradesman. I’ve had times where I could see how easy it would be to manipulate ppl however it’s a short sighted strategy. Success long term rests on people wanting to cooperate with you.
Scored a 15, at one point or another I've had a similar epiphany.
@@0mfgeezescored 14 used to do construction work as an Apprentice electrician I'm the "please get away from me and no I don't care about your weekend. Please leave me to my wiring and electric work" guy. I never understood the cost effectiveness of manipulating others when I can do it myself 😂😂😂
What a fascinating guest Dr Kev was. Thoroughly enjoyed this
Another Brilliant interview!!
Thank you guys!
Love Triggernometry !
This guy is making it very easy for psychopaths and narcissists to accuse and manipulate others of being just that.
They gonna do that regardless
They hon that on their own.
I don't always agree with your guests but, Dr. Kevin Dutton was really interesting to watch and listen to. Nice choice!
Thanks
Dr. Kev is fascinating, he’s done intriguing studies and research. Please have him back! ❤
My score was 3. I should’ve added in my first post that I have met a couple of psychopaths during my years in that job and they certainly were believable. It was a learning experience for me.
It’s done live during the show :)
Same. 3
I got a 5, hey can you tell me, do you sometimes or often feel a bit alienated from many others due to their callousness or lack of caring about others? I do sometimes. I wonder if it is linked to a low score.
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The test starts around there
I scored 5. Sometimes I do feel alienated by others. I am an introvert and am not great at socializing. I think it comes with scoring low. It's just the personality type. The higher on the scale you are, the more social, the less afraid you are. Maybe?
I scored seven, so nice and low. I am a creative person in music and art, although earn almost no money at it. An interesting discussion, many thanks to all involved.
I scored 3
I train horses, being empathic, open, loving, honest, truthful and routine ......is very important for horses. I am also a woman and Asperger's.
We are the same! I could have written that
@@ApacheMagic wow 💐💖 how wonderful we are ApacgeMagic
I found this fascinating. I scored 24. Having said that, I’m now a stay at home mom, and am not high in ambition. I don’t necessarily seek positions of power, and am quite laid back in general. My family and the few friends I have always list the high-powered jobs I would be good at if only I had more ambition. Even teachers always talked on all my potential, my intelligence and how I just wasted it. I always found it funny, because I learned early on you can get by with less and avoid stress and annoying people if you curb any ambition for more.
Hmm I relate to this to a degree.
My score was 18
You are describing me! And I don't even think my lack of ambition is something I deliberately curb. At least not now in adulthood. Seven year olds aren't that keen to be your friend when you get singled out all the time for being "best in class". So I came to the conclusion very young that just below the top is better and have basically coasted my whole - very enjoyable - life :) Just writing that I can see that like you I will probably score quite high on the psychopathy scale too. I notice also that despite Prof Dutton's intent to destigmatise good psychopaths, a large proportion of the comments reveal the same negative view of them as he wants to challenge.
Lol youre going to raise monsters!!!!
You have managed to get yourself into a much envied position though most women would deny that. I never found having a boss instead of staying at home liberating. I scored 3 and was married to a psychopath/narcissist and it was I who went out to work while he stayed at home. Unusual in those days. I am 76. I even took my daughter to the childminder each morning and he did nothing. I left him after three years. I never married again. I am self protective therefore a lonely life.
My monster was allergic to work as well. He had no ambition either, he was highly intelligent but didn't put it to use in career/work wise. He didn't have to, his mom was is enabler. He would tell her is was thinking about getting a job and needed a new wardrobe but of course she would buy him new clothes but he wouldn't even end up looking for a job. Or when he was a teen he had the same shoe in every color and at age 16 a new car right off the show room floor. Always got out of trouble and never had consequences to his actions. But hell if you think about it his full time job was manipulating others and use them as his paycheck . And if psycho narcissist do anything nice their not just being nice, they have a ulterior motive.
There is definitely something unique about orthopedic surgeons in my experience. Having had many broken bones over the years I have spent some time with a few. Though my sample size is anecdotally small, they all exhibited very prominent psychopathic traits. Unfortunately, a couple of them had an ego that exceeded their skill set, resulting in further unnecessary surgeries for myself. That said, I'm kind of glad that there are people out there with such low levels of empathy that working on a human body is as emotionally detached for them as working on a motor vehicle. I would likely be completely crippled with a poor quality of life level without the gift of psychopathy. My orthopedic injuries have been moderately severe. There is a reasonable argument that psychopaths can be valuable to society.
Just starting to watch. I didn’t think you guys could get better then you start covering this topic! Well done and thank you!
Absolutely brilliant chat guys, thoroughly enjoyed that!
A very good piece of advice for anyone who scores low on the test, and who is worried that they might be easy to manipulate, is to develop a consistent set of values that you stick to in nearly every situation. It is very hard to manipulate someone who knows their own mind, and who has already worked out how they wish to live. Most of the time someone will opt to not even try to manipulate you, as they don’t want to put work in when the result is uncertain. Walk tall, hold your head up (literally), speak slowly and with conviction, and always pause for a few moments before answering anyone (it makes it look like you’re thinking about your answer, even if you’re not). I’ve avoided a fair few manipulative people by developing these habits (though in many cases they’ve then moved on to my friends).
My score was 11. I'm a health and social care lecturer, and used to manage care services. A very interesting show reaffirming the social need for psychopaths with noble intentions etc.... diversity of neurology!
You might not be a psychopath but you are probably narcissistic.
@@bluemm2852 Really? How so? 🤔
Dumb people fall under the spell of psychopaths. I carve them out of my life instantly and they’re usually cunning enough to recognise I don’t like them and it inevitably turns into an attempted bullying type situation
@@ViralCog they go through it in the video, if you go to their channel there I'd also a shirt video just with the test and results 😙
@@CursedWheelieBin Yeah, they despise people who can see through them. Be careful because they'll usually try to poison people against you.
After almost 20 years of being a nurse (I scored 16 on the test so Im just average), I've always said surgeons have the worst bedside manner. I assumed it was because their pts are always unconscious so they don't interact with them. Had no idea it's because they are likely all psychopaths on some level lol. Makes a lot of sense though.
you kind of have to be in order to cut into human flesh day in and day out and it not bother y ou hahah
yeah I have known this for years lol, nurses are the ones you trust, doctors have no empathy (chronic health problems, lots of time in hospital and medical settings) It was doctors that misdiagnosed me for decades, and nurses who worked out what was actually wrong...and never ever ever ever EVER let a doctor give you a blood test, the ego engages when they cant find your spider viens and they butcher your arm getting more and more annoyed, I had one de-tissue my arm during one hospital stay.
Don't be fooled. Kevin Dutton presents a very unscientific view on the topic. He convinced you, using only anecdotes. Science shows anecdotes don't prove anything, yet he uses anecdotes to "prove" (fool). He said his dad regularly showed psychopathy traits, so his motive became to show his father as a "good psychopath". Psychopaths have power over others, & power corrupts. Their lack of empathy means they can choose to abuse/harm (at will). His view that psychopathy is not all bad -- is invalid. Psychopathy IS all bad, & is purely self-serving at the expense of others. He uses pop-psychology, not scientific methods.
This was really enjoyable. I love all the analogies Dr Kevin uses, he explains everything so well.
Awesome guys! Dr Dutton had some great examples and stories and I just ❤️ the way you let him talk and formulated such great questions allowing him to explore further. Watched in one sitting and was absolutely fascinated. Did the survey too and thought I scored quite low too Konstantin 🤣.
I scored a 7 . I make decisions quickly = 3. I am very good in a crisis = 3, and then a 1 for the question that came before those 2 questions, which I forget, and 0 for the others - they described very mean attitudes. I'm a visual artist, art historian and writer. Fascinating talk. Thank you.
U forgot tht psychs have bad memorys xd
Dr Dutton, what a star you are.
Can't believe nobody has mentioned dentists, never met a single one that hasn't given me the creeps.
In Britain most are privately educated, and private schools create people with low empathy and high self absorption.
Guess I found the anti-dentite. 😆
Scored 25. I work Security at a metro Detroit hospital where we're constantly fighting with violent people. Not surprising to me.
My husband is in health care security and has been for ten years(and was in the Corps for four years with two Afghan deployments). I'm confident he would have a higher score than me(9), but I wonder how he would land.
What a brilliant interview.DR Ditton is fascinating to listen to, and very funny too!
I had a friend (ex friend, ad I finally saw her for what she is) who once said "if anyone e is stupid enough to lend me something, they don't deserve to get it back". And she 100% meant it.
Brilliant and very entertaining interview. One of the best I've seen in a long time, perhaps ever. Fascinating. Good work, well done and thanks for this.
Oh no! My heart sank to my toes when I heard what is the average. I am a 5 or a 6, and see myself as somewhat cold (shut down) and selfish, and cynical. If most people are "worse" than me, how can there be hope for this world. Author, librarian, master's degree in Philosophy
I scored 5 and I'm not surprised. I'm a bit of a misanthrope and constantly completely horrified at other people's selfishness and carelessness, and overall disgusted with humanity. I can see up to 10 to be fine and beneficial. Like calm under pressure is GOOD. Everything higher than that being normal is scary AF to me but explains so much....
So I guess my long established assessment that at least half of humanity is made up of selfish irresponsible asshats is correct. Of course everybody thinks they're the good guys. Even psychopaths. I'm plenty selfish myself in small ways. We tend to think higher of ourselves than others unless there are massive self esteem issues at play. So our view is biased but still. DAMN.
Does not help my trust issues at all, lol. It's not easy living as a sheep among wolves trying to stay empathic and kind when the world is not like that. Super cynical disillusioned idealist at this point.
You confused the meaning of average in this context. It's not the average score of all people, but only what percentage of you is psychotic.
Hey, at eight or nine, I had the exact same experience. Web developer. What do you make of this now, nine months later? One thing is for sure: I will have no more bloody liberals tell me I am heartless. I'm thoroughly disturbed by this video. People are so much worse than what we collectively imagine humanity to be. To me, scoring 18 seems psychopathic.
@@GaldringDude. Same score, same profession.
If you listen again to the things he said prior to the questionnaire, the people who scored average or above are not worse (or better) than you. These are traits. I know a lot of people who would score below average but would have no problem walking over people to get what they want and who think it's always someone else's fault....that would be a 6.
A psychopath isn't going to screw someone over or hurt people if it doesn't serve them. I would be much more worried about someone with borderline personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder, particularly covert NPD. They intentionally destroy people when it serves no purpose to them or seek it out to feed their own ego, respectively.
I've been screwed over or treated badly by more so-called empaths & those who think they're better than people who would be perceived as less warm or empathetic than those who might be perceived as cold, uncaring & self-serving.
Also, people have an unconscious bias towards getting a 'better' score or might not relate to a question either way so just imagine how they might feel.
You are so right, I have tried to say these things for so long and you hit it on the nail for me...well done Kev! Plus, there is no such thing as Narcissist there are only people suffering the illness of Narcissism...so there are so many levels and degrees, so well done! Having been abused by one, there was no help for them nor answers, so it is great hope for these people...
Scored 26, now ex-military. Wasn't surprised that it fits the pathology.
I thought a part of his point is that it isn't a "pathology"? More you have traits that are beneficial for specific situations that the general populace generally cannot handle.
Do you feel like your mix of attributes made you better in your previous job in the military?
15 and I'm a managing director. Depending on my mood at any given moment I could score slightly higher, or slightly lower. My empathy for humanity wavers as does my tolerance for planning Vs off the cuff behavioural patterns. I already knew I wouldn't score highly as I'm quite averse to sacking people, I find it by far the most difficult aspect of my job, though I have no issue with taking business from other people or screwing over my peers when the cookie crumbles. It's all in the game, yo.
Interesting input. Reading your words help explain the ways I feel as well, just could elaborate as accurately as you have.
Once you are aware of the “game” it doesn’t seem like harming others. When I was younger, naively practicing religion, I would have sworn that taking advantage of others constituted terrible, immoral even, behavior.
Well put.
@@LotusHart01 I think it's quite empathic to understand that people are a lot of the time totally aware of the consequences whenever they step into any particular arena. Whether it be sports, business, or love. In a sense, you take away their agency and infantilise them if you treat them like they can't handle loss.
Unfortunately, much of society (particularly the US it seems) is set up to mollycoddle. The victim mentality is king. But I don't buy it, I'm not a victim, I'm in charge of my own destiny as are the vast majority of people I meet on a day to day basis.
The behaviour you describe may just be a byproduct of a low to average IQ d2
@@JW-bs7xp lol
Thank you for this great interview. Triggernometry is the best!
I usually just ask them, are you a fan of Huey Lewis and the news?
Classic movie scene lol
I got 31 and I work as a healthcare assistant on a dementia ward for elderly patients.
Wow. I was thinking to myself what advantages of low psychopathy would be. The most obvious answer would be a skill that requires empathy to motivate the work. That's like exactly your job, is to be caring of the elderly. It doesn't give much power at all and it requires some level of genuine care for them to know what to say to them and do with them I would guess. Can you elaborate more on what you do with the elderly? I suppose some of the work is to hang out with them, when you do that do you have some understanding of what to talk about? Or do you think it's fun to play with them as they have no idea what is going on because of their dementia? Another related question I have is this: Do you think it is even worth wasting a bunch of resources on keeping them alive?
Fascinating. Why do you do the thing you do, what pleasure do you derive from it, if any at all?
Gawd help em!
@@03david08 It gives tons of power. You have the power to end one of them with a light tap if you wanted to. Just a poosh and down they go ooohh nooo nana fell shes got dementia and she can't remember who pushed her ..
@@artdeco5064 lmao - i feel like this guy is maybe trolling hahaha
Fascinating section on his Dad- which reminded me of reading John Le Carre's autobiography and hearing him describe his Dad in very similar ways
I find it fascinating that Dr Kev mentioned loneliness at the end. It’s understandable to see many of the traits of psychopathy as desirable for the advancement of the individual, indeed more power is often accrued through such behaviours. But surely with such exploitative tendencies in the long run even the most undiscerning people will see through them and the relational life of psychopaths will be empty by comparison to most people. I know a psychopath wouldn’t care about such an outcome in itself, but it should factor into the 99%’s assessment regarding the desirability of such a life.
In the short term most people put psychopaths on a pedestal to be admired. In the long term we realise that while they are on that pedestal, most people just want to be known and loved.
I scored a 21, I am a COO for a public company. My score jumped when it came to the questions on decision making and taking risk. I do not believe in cheating and have empathy for injured animals.
What about for humans who struggle?
@@RippleDrop.Only if I know them. Same with animals, only care if they are mine. No cheating ever. Scored a 24. Ex military and law enforcement.
I think if you ask the family members of any of these “good” psychopaths you would understand that there are no good psychopaths. These are people who will destroy anyone in the way of their goals.
I got 12p, and I am a farrier/farmer/stay at home mother.
I got suprised by my own low score, as I perceive myself as more callous than the score would indicate.
Interesting show as per usual.
I got an 8. However, I am sure my answers would change on many of the questions, based on context.
yep and that comes from a 7 its not a real test its a classification system catching a high percentage, but not more complicated cases.
That’s the idea of the test. They intentionally remove context out of it so that you start to unconsciously or consciously think about that yourself, thus guiding your answers towards your true intentions, if that makes sense. As I was doing the test, for example, I was introducing context by saying things to myself like “well it depends who the person is …” etc. I scored 18 by the way
I scored 17 which is about what I expected, I've been in enough dangerous situations, survived a few life and death situations, and done dangerous jobs, but I value all life and have strong empathy.
I scored a 13 and I am a Small Business manager of about 25 employees. What kept me from being higher on this scale is definitely empathy. I hate to see an animal in pain and do not believe if you get away with something that it's ok. (So cheating on your partner and scamming people)
Exactly the same score and reasons as me! I work in operating theatres though as an anaesthetic assistant.
Dito im the with you there very strongly about animals and scamming i could denifit of others misfortune
Why do you care about the pain of animals? You must realize that hundreds of billions of at least somewhat sentient animals die every day and that the most likely way by far for them to die is in agonizing pain right? Consumed by parasites, eaten alive, choked, crushed, etc. What difference does one other mewling cat make. Especially cats, FFS, do you realize what THOSE do to other animals?
When psychopathic surgeons came up, my other half (retired physio) immediately said: "cardiac, neuro, orthopaedic. They're all wankers ".
That little rating bit, is actually somewhat genius. I'm stealing that.
CEO’s tend to dinner with CEO’s, media people tend to dinner with media people, etc. would be interesting to note how conversations go when they are amongst groups of psychopaths. Actually, woke media output may be giving us an inkling
@@Thepoweroftheriffcompelsme what about sociooopaths thoooo and borderlines ( im borderline) we want credit for our craziness too!@
My score was 3 and I am retired. I used to work as a Community Corrections Officer working with offenders.