Listening on my Focal Solo6's, B is very obviously the Neumann. Solo'd, mic A is much more hyped and "modern" sounding and feels a bit thin, particularly on the male vocal. The brash sibilance is also a dead giveaway. Mic B feels warm and full and buttery smooth, and supports the low end in his voice in a way that I have come to expect from really great vintage mics. Both mics are a little closer on the female vocal, but in the full mix, switching to B immediately just sounds like a classic record to me...Mic A just doesn't have the same magic.
This is the prob with system. I got an email with a mixed result. Which makes no sense I guess. Meaning mics are mixed up on purpose. They should just say the results on vid. I can’t believe anything they are informing me
I like the A better. It’s softer and not as harsh on the high end. This wasn’t a great comparison but...A has the warmth, detail that I’d expect from the Neumann. B sounds great but it does something to the peaks and very high end that sounds much more modern to me.
Thanks for the very critical listen, and for sharing your thoughts. We completely agree that the differences don't exceed what you would expect to hear from two originals.
They kept breaking the phrasing for the comparison in the same spot each time. This didn't help compare the female vocal b/c her second phrase was always higher pitched and more airy, so I didn't get a good vocal only comparison for the female vocal.
I respectfully disagree, I love a raw and compelling performance probably more than most and occasionally to detriment- but these two are just poor at both their technique and at using their voice to convey the proper level of emotion and or passion that their story needs. I understand that you may have a difference of opinion though.
The same goes for Voice Overs, have seen folks with excellent 1700 reviews on how of a great job they did excecuting a script due to their trainining credit and yet they used a NT1 Mic knocking out of the water the 416, TLM 103 and U87. Yea it may well be worth it to invest in learning the craft before buying high end tools.
I hear a few peaky resonances in Mic B. Mic A sounds smoother and more flattering. I prefer the way it softens transients and sibilance slightly. Not much difference at all though. I could live with either.
B is totally the U67, although it's not extremely obvious, but B definitely was warmer, not by much though, but it wasn't just that, it just had that classic vintage sound. A sounded a little harsh in the highs or mids, especially on the guy. It also seemed like it had a subtle boost in the highs which gave more presense, which i'm not that into. it works for some things. i'm not sure what the price is of the P67, but if it's significantly cheaper, then it's most likely the better route, especially if that's the sound that suites the person's vocals. that's really the most important part anyways. sometimes a U67 or U47 simply doesn't work on some vocalists.
A is the U67. It's darker characteristic is all over. Thats the 67 signature, The P67 sounds great but its nothing like the U67. This is not a guess. Cheers!
You emailed them? I guessed B was the Neumann. I preferred it. That said I'm listening with consumer studio monitors in a projection booth with the projector actually running. I need a better listening environment.
The transient response of B is ALMOST a dead giveaway that it's the U67. Not 100% certain, but very close. Both mics sound very similar, and absolutely gorgeous. I would not pick one over the other based on sound alone. Their mild differences make them both very attractive in ever-so-slightly different ways. Thanks for the shootout!
Thanks so much... agree that they are rather close... particularly when you consider that Vintage microphones can vary quite a lot from one to another...
Just buy the Telefunken AR51 guys, you cant go wrong with that one. That is also a reproduced mic. It is modeled after the Telefunken ELA M 251, and is of course made by Telefunken themselves. It cost 1895 dollars and sounds incredible!
I wish you guys had done this so we could hear the same sections through each mic - as others have noted, the vocal dynamics in the parts allotted for each are often quite different and makes it hard to compare the mics in an apples to apples way. Overall I liked the sound of A much better. Was disappointed to read that that was the expensive/vintage/impossible-to-get-on-my-budget one.
During the test, I liked B better. The similarity between these two mics is strong. There's a slight difference in the upper-mids around 7k... but they don't sound any more different than two vintage U67's would sound from one another. I have 3 original U47's, and each one sounds different from the other. Those of us who own a lot of old mics don't say things like "I know what all vintage U67's sound like... and that definitely *is* [or is not] a U67." I know better than to make such claims because, regardless of the make/model/year of your microphone, the sound will change based on the condition of the capsule, how dirty it is, condition of the tube, condition of the tube sockets, the transformer, the power supply, leaking capacitors, oxidization at contact points, and even things like dents in the grill mesh These mics are more like snowflakes. No two U67's will sound exactly the same. And if you think they will, go rent a pair and try it out for yourself. If you're still not convinced, you're deaf, and you probably shouldn't be working in a recording studio, unless you're there to make coffee and teach sign language. -- Woz
Microphone A I am guessing is the P67. You also hear the air conditioners hum in the room. Microphone B to me sounded tighter and more balanced. I am guessing B is the Neumann. Both microphones sounded great.
Mic B is more immediately striking sounding, or "hot"... But then you take a minute and realize you kind of just want a pleasing, natural, smooth sound to a vocal track, and for that I might go with Mic A...
Mic A during the full mix had a more open sound with a lot of air and space around the singer's voice. Mic B was very good as well, just missing that little something.
I was prefering mic B... that that little extra might be able to be added with other equipment... although there's always a diffrence... it's kind of like the diffrence of diffrent digital photo formats... they look the same until you get to the editing stage and everything acts diffrently
Super interesting response - if you'd like the high resolution sound files, so that you can really compare the two, it would be our pleasure to send them. If you have the opportunity to work with the two raw files out of the individual microphones, you will be amazed at how similarly you can make them sound, if that's your purpose/goal. One important thing to consider, that makes this even more compelling is that we selected a single old U67... we didn't have a stable to choose from!
Mic B sounded slightly louder, slightly more resolving, and very very slightly brighter than mic A. Mic A also sounded slightly more compressed than mic B. That being said, I've heard greater variation between two well-used mics of the same model before.
I think sometimes us engineers get too carried away by "vintage hype", myself included. I once recorded a vocal with a Neumann U87 and it sounded good. Did over the vocal with another mic and asked the client which they preferred. They said the second one was better by far for the song. The mic I used then was a Shure SM 58!!! Great shootout when you have guys having to pull out there Barefoot monitors to tell the difference. lol. Both Mics sound good but I'd go with Mic B.
Glad to hear you found such HUGE differences!!! ;) They are wildly similar in character - to the point that if you actually grabbed 2-3 vintage units and another 2-3 Pelusos, good luck figuring out which is which! That being said you may be VERY surprised to hear the results. Feel free to e-mail audio(at)SoundPure(dot)com if you want the high resolution wave files, or the results. In the meantime, this amazing Peluso P67 is also eligible for our no-risk "Try Before You Buy" program.
Great comparison! I prefer A. I think it sounds a little more open than B, both on male and female vocal... Is there a way to know the solution of the blind test?
B is definitely the Neumann 67. more controlled upper and mid dynamic response. Mic A is the peluso, has of a highend frequency thing that peluso's usually have. The u67 has the tone and saturation in the mid-range neumann's are known for.
Only listening to the youtube video, so all the quality isnt there, but both mics sound almost identical. The peluso has that same great sound as a GOOD old U67. Awesome mic!
Listening to this a second time, I've changed my mind about it. I'd say A is the Neumann, and B is the Peluso. B sounds more dynamic, real, extended, and just "newer".
With all respect for the great artist, but if planning to compare a male and female voice, people should use a vocalist with a deeper voice, not one who sings in a similar range of a female. That way there will be a more complete representation of the microphone's full range sound.
Seems to be a nice low-mid boost with B. We have a U67 at the studio where I work, and it's my favorite condenser, EVER. If A was the Peluso then it could use a little more of those nice low mids, and maybe some less high end. I always liked our 67 because it always tamed sibilant singers, but its the only U67 I think I've ever used, so I haven't compared it to any other examples.
Name brands are important to a lot of people - for us, we try to focus on the sound. With vintage ones running at a rate of 500% the price of a Peluso P67, the choice is pretty easy. If you are a collector, or have an endless supply of cash, get a new one, why not. Both mics sounded great in our opinion and wildly similar tonally - particularly when you consider the fact that this P67 and U67 were not cherry picked to sound a like - that would have been fun!
Thanks for commenting - you are absolutely not alone. We will only let people know which one is which offline, to keep the shoot-out truly blind. The only way we can trust our ears is not listening with our wallets!
First I leaned to like Mic B over A, because B has a slightly bit more character in it. Mic A however has a neater sound, the T's and S's sound much nicer. Mic A "sits" better in this mix. But still they are extremely close. Also A/B just with one kind of music is hard. Apparently A is the Peluso and B the Neumann, if I copy the findings below. Great commercial pull to wait with the results for the callers and emailers, but also a but annoying.
Haha, that may be....but I'm sticking with my original guess. I was listening with Focal Twins and I can hear the top end clearly different on both mics. Whenever a mic has a lot of bite on the top like that, it's 99% of the time the cheaper mic. Just listen to what sounds like an EQ boost. It's blatant, but never the less, both mics are good.
I'll have to listen again tomorrow when my ears are fresh (just mixed a project). But right now (to me) they both sound the same. John did a (*Tony the Tiger accent*) Grrrrreat Job!
I've only listened to the female voice shootout and there's no way that either A or B could be an original U67 with the stock capsule. If it's an U67 which got it's capsule replaced ro reskinned by "Peluso".. yeah, it might sound that bad. Just hope it's just a u67 with a replaced capsule and not that ol' trick were you use the same microphone for a shootout.
You're not going to top a Neumann U67 for vocals or acoustic instrument recording. This video seems to simply be an ad for selling something close, but no cigar. I do have a first year production, 1960 U67, mint, with original power supply. I use it because it's better than all the other mics on the planet. Further, this dude in the video mentions "problems" with 67s. He's not owned one or maintained one. If you take good care of your U67, it's like on auto pilot. Mine has never been in for any service or tube replacement. Bullet-proof if carefully loved. We're talking 55 years old. That's quality.
I have a VO client with two U67's we seem to rotate every few months for servicing, one with a new power supply, the other an original power supply. He uses a pop screen and it's in a climate controlled studio. Just bad luck?
It probably has an inferior replacement tube. I suppose the mic cuts-out at times which is not that common, but prone to happen with some of the later Telefunken tubes. I'm lucky, as my own U67 has never been touched and with it's original tube and power supply.
Wow, All these opinions kill me, but that's ok...!!! The Neumann has the tighter screen mesh and by the shape is larger frame wise at the screen. Also the body of the frame is a giveaway. The sound is a give away. The Peluso has a larger type screen mesh and he mentioned that for the Patent. It has a slimmer screen size and body is a bit slimmer. No mention of type of tube the Peluso P67 is using??? Pretty competitive here, but got to admit, the Nuemann still has that Warmth to it...
Dave, "All you're trying to do is make a sale"- thanks for the inaccurate, sweeping statement. Yes we are a company that sells recording gear, however we try our best to inform the community by providing the most accurate sound examples of this gear with as little bias as possible. This is why we have chosen, and stuck with, the blind shootout approach. It's totally possible for viewers to grab the results + hi-res files and be done with it. No one is forcing you to have a conversation with us.
He went in with shoulder-length hair and basically gave the guy free reign, and that was the product! Unfortunately the hawk had to say farewell recently, but we're sure it's coming back ;)
U67's on practically every instrument/voice you say? Sounds like quite a challenge for the mix engineer. I've found the P-67 to be an excellent compliment to vocals as well as a few different instruments, but there's a good reason that most mic lockers have lots of different sounding mics in them... You're right about the P67/germanium combo - It's a great sound, and as for finding a good deal on a P67, just get in touch with us - we'd love to help you out.
He's right, the U67 on the male vocal was A. The sign is the very high end. The u67 has a smoother top end and the P67 has a little bit brighter top with a smidge more sibilance. Everything sounded pretty much the same on these mics except the 10k region is a bit more hyped on the P67. Almost sounds like somebody did a slight EQ boost on it.
Hey, the Juno Soundtrack called.. they want their song back. How do you tell a Peluso P67 from a REAL 67? Put a hipster behind it. Can you use the mohawk as a pop filter next time? Thanks folks, I'll be here all weekend!
The mic that is picking up Doug's talking in the control room is the Sennheiser MKH 416 shotgun. It's the shotgun that we use for all our shotgun needs. We used to use lapel mics, but found that the MKH 416 works better for us. We have one in stock, and I'd be happy to give you a really great price on it. Send me an email - david.barrett (at) soundpure (.) com
U 67, probably mic A, produces a little bit of rumble but sounds much better on male vocalist, while mic B sound really well here on female voice. Overall, for me this recording sounded little bit to bright and definitely to wet. BTW, I love u67 but I don't understand why people copy everything nowadays (movies remakes, songs covers, mics, preamps clones) what happen to the spirit of invention and originality!!!?
I just talked to one of the dudes at sound pure. Not in _ANY_ way pushy or salesy. Someone mentioned that calling to get the hi-res / find out which ones are which is un-ethical. I spent 7 years of my life selling sales training and there is absolutely nothing un-etchical about this approach. It's brilliant. After talking with them, I don't even think they are using it as a sales tactic, rather, they just love talking about mics... My next mic purchase will be from these guys Peluso 22 47se I thinks :)
+Sasim Hussain I have the 2247, the P12 and the P67.... The P67, to me, is the best of the 3 for my voice. The 2247 and the P67 are less specific than the P12. The P12 can be great on some sources and just radically wrong on others. The other two are more general and sound great on lots of things. I think you'll it a lot!
I have the Peluso 2247 se, omg, also have Peluso p280 & Neumann u87i & 103 , and many more high end mics, but Peluso 2247 se with RED JAN tune, mic kick ass
Thanks for taking a listen... but... (wink-wink) Let us surprise you with the actual results... please contact us if you'd like to take a more careful listen to the original files and get the official results of the segments! We simply won't post them here, but most people have enjoyed hearing the results for sure (as well as the high resolution files). I will say, listen blindly and be sure to not let the other commentators lead you astray!
Okay, listening with my Audio Technica ath-m70x (reference/flat response) headphones I hear very, VERY little difference (if any). I have a TLM-67, so I'd like to see how the NEW Neumann stacks up against the vintage Neumann.
I prefer A on male - it is clear while laid-back. B is a little strident and I'm pretty sure the bottom end is different. On this particular female voice, I think B gives some lift.
As with all soundpure blind mic shootouts, they scrambled the mic A and Mic B on every take. So it's useless to say which is the neumann if you don't point the take you are taking about
The P67 works well with the Chandler - we've also found that it works brilliantly with the Vintech X73i and the Phoenix Preamps, if you are going for that classically vintage vibe. If you are looking for a deal, let us know, we will do our best - these aren't coming up on the used market because people who have them are in love with them, but we will do our best to hook you up - shoot me an e-mail, Doug(at)SoundPure(Dot)com
See, the U67 that I just used on my current project doesn't have any harshness whatsoever on the top.......so the guys saying that they thought that your U67 had a harsher top end (I know for sure that one of them did.....which I thought was the P67)....I'm wondering if it's just your particular U67, as they all vary. The one I used didn't have anything weird going on way up top.......so who knows.
All very interesting comments... you may be surprised to hear what you think to be the real results! Don't hesitate to contact us directly if you would like either the high resolution audio files, or the actual results of the shoot-out segments. We will be glad to tell you the results, but need to keep it anonymous here, so people can enjoy it blindly. But, the results MAY surprise you! Let me just say, this P67 is one incredibly fine microphone right out of the box...
Sorry to be annoying - we're just human beings, trying to start meaningful conversations about microphones with other human beings. If you decide that you need to know what the answers are for this shootout, send us an email. The only thing that will happen is that you'll get a response from a human being. We'll give you the answer, and we'll also try to engage you in conversation. That's all. Hopefully it won't be too painful.
The p67 with the Germanium Pre is a combination dripping with warmth imo. Check out the youtube video Lizzy Loeb & Giulio Carmassi - "The One" . As soon as I can get a good deal (somehow) on a p67, I intend to use it to create a very oldies set of tunes reminiscent of say the old 60s "Like To Get To Know You'/Give A Damn type songs by Spanky/Our Gang.. also where u67s were used on practically every instrument/voice.
We're aware of MXL microphones and JJ Audio upgrades. The MXL mics are just one of the hundreds of Chinese made budget microphones. It does serve the utilitarian purpose of capturing audio and converting it to alternating current, but claiming that it has anything in common with a U67 is quite a piece of marketing garbage. I'd be happy to talk with you in more detail about microphones, if you'll email me - david.barrett (at) soundpure (dott) com
Thanks for listening - it's not unusual for people to assume that the one that they prefer is the more expensive (or more vintage) microphones, that is until they learn about the results! You can get the high resolution files, and/or results, by contacting us at mics(at)soundpure(dot)com As far as clones are concerned, really great clones such as this one save people who want the sound/warranty/new-gear for serious use, but don't want to pay the price. Pretty compelling for most people.
Listening on my Focal Solo6's, B is very obviously the Neumann. Solo'd, mic A is much more hyped and "modern" sounding and feels a bit thin, particularly on the male vocal. The brash sibilance is also a dead giveaway. Mic B feels warm and full and buttery smooth, and supports the low end in his voice in a way that I have come to expect from really great vintage mics. Both mics are a little closer on the female vocal, but in the full mix, switching to B immediately just sounds like a classic record to me...Mic A just doesn't have the same magic.
BTW the email from soundpure says that A is the Peluso and B the Neumann.
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This is the prob with system. I got an email with a mixed result. Which makes no sense I guess. Meaning mics are mixed up on purpose. They should just say the results on vid. I can’t believe anything they are informing me
I like the A better. It’s softer and not as harsh on the high end. This wasn’t a great comparison but...A has the warmth, detail that I’d expect from the Neumann. B sounds great but it does something to the peaks and very high end that sounds much more modern to me.
B is better.
Thanks for the very critical listen, and for sharing your thoughts. We completely agree that the differences don't exceed what you would expect to hear from two originals.
They kept breaking the phrasing for the comparison in the same spot each time. This didn't help compare the female vocal b/c her second phrase was always higher pitched and more airy, so I didn't get a good vocal only comparison for the female vocal.
the cost of those mics could buy a lot of vocal lessons
Haha, yes and they need it !
hyperliteBo what an uninspired world you must live in
I respectfully disagree, I love a raw and compelling performance probably more than most and occasionally to detriment- but these two are just poor at both their technique and at using their voice to convey the proper level of emotion and or passion that their story needs. I understand that you may have a difference of opinion though.
The same goes for Voice Overs, have seen folks with excellent 1700 reviews on how of a great job they did excecuting a script due to their trainining credit and yet they used a NT1 Mic knocking out of the water the 416, TLM 103 and U87. Yea it may well be worth it to invest in learning the craft before buying high end tools.
obviously mic B is the neumann. i used the peluso one and it sounds great! but compared to the original, no chance.
I hear a few peaky resonances in Mic B. Mic A sounds smoother and more flattering. I prefer the way it softens transients and sibilance slightly. Not much difference at all though. I could live with either.
I prefer Mic A, to me it sounds smoother and less harsh on the volume peaks, although this contradicts many of the other comments
Thanks so much for saying so, we will pass this along to the artists who were nice enough to do this recording for us.
B is totally the U67, although it's not extremely obvious, but B definitely was warmer, not by much though, but it wasn't just that, it just had that classic vintage sound. A sounded a little harsh in the highs or mids, especially on the guy. It also seemed like it had a subtle boost in the highs which gave more presense, which i'm not that into. it works for some things. i'm not sure what the price is of the P67, but if it's significantly cheaper, then it's most likely the better route, especially if that's the sound that suites the person's vocals. that's really the most important part anyways. sometimes a U67 or U47 simply doesn't work on some vocalists.
Really glad you like it - great players, great mics!
A is the U67. It's darker characteristic is all over. Thats the 67 signature, The P67 sounds great but its nothing like the U67. This is not a guess. Cheers!
Thinking the same... B is just so hyped...
You emailed them? I guessed B was the Neumann. I preferred it.
That said I'm listening with consumer studio monitors in a projection booth with the projector actually running. I need a better listening environment.
The transient response of B is ALMOST a dead giveaway that it's the U67. Not 100% certain, but very close. Both mics sound very similar, and absolutely gorgeous. I would not pick one over the other based on sound alone. Their mild differences make them both very attractive in ever-so-slightly different ways. Thanks for the shootout!
Many are convinced that mic A is the Neumann. Then let's just say Peluso did a great job! You can't go wrong with that mic.
B is nice. A has a crispy thing going on with it, but also very nice.
Thanks so much... agree that they are rather close... particularly when you consider that Vintage microphones can vary quite a lot from one to another...
B is smooth, warm, fat and has the vintage Neumann sound. A reminds of a modern mic.
Yes they are and ******* awesome!
Just buy the Telefunken AR51 guys, you cant go wrong with that one. That is also a reproduced mic. It is modeled after the Telefunken ELA M 251, and is of course made by Telefunken themselves. It cost 1895 dollars and sounds incredible!
I wish you guys had done this so we could hear the same sections through each mic - as others have noted, the vocal dynamics in the parts allotted for each are often quite different and makes it hard to compare the mics in an apples to apples way. Overall I liked the sound of A much better. Was disappointed to read that that was the expensive/vintage/impossible-to-get-on-my-budget one.
During the test, I liked B better. The similarity between these two mics is strong. There's a slight difference in the upper-mids around 7k... but they don't sound any more different than two vintage U67's would sound from one another. I have 3 original U47's, and each one sounds different from the other. Those of us who own a lot of old mics don't say things like "I know what all vintage U67's sound like... and that definitely *is* [or is not] a U67." I know better than to make such claims because, regardless of the make/model/year of your microphone, the sound will change based on the condition of the capsule, how dirty it is, condition of the tube, condition of the tube sockets, the transformer, the power supply, leaking capacitors, oxidization at contact points, and even things like dents in the grill mesh These mics are more like snowflakes. No two U67's will sound exactly the same. And if you think they will, go rent a pair and try it out for yourself. If you're still not convinced, you're deaf, and you probably shouldn't be working in a recording studio, unless you're there to make coffee and teach sign language. -- Woz
absolutely. Diffusion and Random Reflection!
Microphone A I am guessing is the P67. You also hear the air conditioners hum in the room.
Microphone B to me sounded tighter and more balanced. I am guessing B is the Neumann.
Both microphones sounded great.
Mic B is more immediately striking sounding, or "hot"... But then you take a minute and realize you kind of just want a pleasing, natural, smooth sound to a vocal track, and for that I might go with Mic A...
Mic A during the full mix had a more open sound with a lot of air and space around the singer's voice. Mic B was very good as well, just missing that little something.
The band performing in this video is called prypyat. You can find their bandcamp page at prypyat . bandcamp . com
I was prefering mic B... that that little extra might be able to be added with other equipment... although there's always a diffrence... it's kind of like the diffrence of diffrent digital photo formats... they look the same until you get to the editing stage and everything acts diffrently
Super interesting response - if you'd like the high resolution sound files, so that you can really compare the two, it would be our pleasure to send them. If you have the opportunity to work with the two raw files out of the individual microphones, you will be amazed at how similarly you can make them sound, if that's your purpose/goal. One important thing to consider, that makes this even more compelling is that we selected a single old U67... we didn't have a stable to choose from!
I'm convinced that this is the mic to get if you are looking for the U67 sound... Great video...
Mic B is more detailed. B has a nice upper presence that helps the vocal sit in the mix nice and clear.
Mic B sounded slightly louder, slightly more resolving, and very very slightly brighter than mic A. Mic A also sounded slightly more compressed than mic B. That being said, I've heard greater variation between two well-used mics of the same model before.
I think sometimes us engineers get too carried away by "vintage hype", myself included. I once recorded a vocal with a Neumann U87 and it sounded good. Did over the vocal with another mic and asked the client which they preferred. They said the second one was better by far for the song. The mic I used then was a Shure SM 58!!! Great shootout when you have guys having to pull out there Barefoot monitors to tell the difference. lol. Both Mics sound good but I'd go with Mic B.
Andy Johns had the same story with a Shure mic! (while recording Led Zeppelin) ha, it's great to read another one
Thanks Remy!!
Glad to hear you found such HUGE differences!!! ;)
They are wildly similar in character - to the point that if you actually grabbed 2-3 vintage units and another 2-3 Pelusos, good luck figuring out which is which!
That being said you may be VERY surprised to hear the results. Feel free to e-mail audio(at)SoundPure(dot)com if you want the high resolution wave files, or the results.
In the meantime, this amazing Peluso P67 is also eligible for our no-risk "Try Before You Buy" program.
He's back to normal now!
Great comparison! I prefer A. I think it sounds a little more open than B, both on male and female vocal... Is there a way to know the solution of the blind test?
B is definitely the Neumann 67. more controlled upper and mid dynamic response. Mic A is the peluso, has of a highend frequency thing that peluso's usually have. The u67 has the tone and saturation in the mid-range neumann's are known for.
Only listening to the youtube video, so all the quality isnt there, but both mics sound almost identical. The peluso has that same great sound as a GOOD old U67. Awesome mic!
Interestingly, I like the sound of A better solo'ed, but prefer B in context of the mix.
Listening to this a second time, I've changed my mind about it. I'd say A is the Neumann, and B is the Peluso. B sounds more dynamic, real, extended, and just "newer".
With all respect for the great artist, but if planning to compare a male and female voice, people should use a vocalist with a deeper voice, not one who sings in a similar range of a female. That way there will be a more complete representation of the microphone's full range sound.
Seems to be a nice low-mid boost with B. We have a U67 at the studio where I work, and it's my favorite condenser, EVER. If A was the Peluso then it could use a little more of those nice low mids, and maybe some less high end. I always liked our 67 because it always tamed sibilant singers, but its the only U67 I think I've ever used, so I haven't compared it to any other examples.
Name brands are important to a lot of people - for us, we try to focus on the sound. With vintage ones running at a rate of 500% the price of a Peluso P67, the choice is pretty easy. If you are a collector, or have an endless supply of cash, get a new one, why not. Both mics sounded great in our opinion and wildly similar tonally - particularly when you consider the fact that this P67 and U67 were not cherry picked to sound a like - that would have been fun!
Thanks for commenting - you are absolutely not alone.
We will only let people know which one is which offline, to keep the shoot-out truly blind. The only way we can trust our ears is not listening with our wallets!
First I leaned to like Mic B over A, because B has a slightly bit more character in it.
Mic A however has a neater sound, the T's and S's sound much nicer. Mic A "sits" better in this mix.
But still they are extremely close. Also A/B just with one kind of music is hard.
Apparently A is the Peluso and B the Neumann, if I copy the findings below. Great commercial pull to wait with the results for the callers and emailers, but also a but annoying.
Haha, that may be....but I'm sticking with my original guess. I was listening with Focal Twins and I can hear the top end clearly different on both mics. Whenever a mic has a lot of bite on the top like that, it's 99% of the time the cheaper mic. Just listen to what sounds like an EQ boost. It's blatant, but never the less, both mics are good.
I'll have to listen again tomorrow when my ears are fresh (just mixed a project). But right now (to me) they both sound the same. John did a (*Tony the Tiger accent*) Grrrrreat Job!
I've only listened to the female voice shootout and there's no way that either A or B could be an original U67 with the stock capsule. If it's an U67 which got it's capsule replaced ro reskinned by "Peluso".. yeah, it might sound that bad. Just hope it's just a u67 with a replaced capsule and not that ol' trick were you use the same microphone for a shootout.
You're not going to top a Neumann U67 for vocals or acoustic instrument recording. This video seems to simply be an ad for selling something close, but no cigar. I do have a first year production, 1960 U67, mint, with original power supply. I use it because it's better than all the other mics on the planet. Further, this dude in the video mentions "problems" with 67s. He's not owned one or maintained one. If you take good care of your U67, it's like on auto pilot. Mine has never been in for any service or tube replacement. Bullet-proof if carefully loved. We're talking 55 years old. That's quality.
I have a VO client with two U67's we seem to rotate every few months for servicing, one with a new power supply, the other an original power supply. He uses a pop screen and it's in a climate controlled studio. Just bad luck?
It probably has an inferior replacement tube. I suppose the mic cuts-out at times which is not that common, but prone to happen with some of the later Telefunken tubes. I'm lucky, as my own U67 has never been touched and with it's original tube and power supply.
Wow, All these opinions kill me, but that's ok...!!! The Neumann has the tighter screen mesh and by the shape is larger frame wise at the screen. Also the body of the frame is a giveaway. The sound is a give away. The Peluso has a larger type screen mesh and he mentioned that for the Patent. It has a slimmer screen size and body is a bit slimmer. No mention of type of tube the Peluso P67 is using??? Pretty competitive here, but got to admit, the Nuemann still has that Warmth to it...
Dave, "All you're trying to do is make a sale"- thanks for the inaccurate, sweeping statement. Yes we are a company that sells recording gear, however we try our best to inform the community by providing the most accurate sound examples of this gear with as little bias as possible. This is why we have chosen, and stuck with, the blind shootout approach. It's totally possible for viewers to grab the results + hi-res files and be done with it. No one is forcing you to have a conversation with us.
He went in with shoulder-length hair and basically gave the guy free reign, and that was the product! Unfortunately the hawk had to say farewell recently, but we're sure it's coming back ;)
U67's on practically every instrument/voice you say? Sounds like quite a challenge for the mix engineer. I've found the P-67 to be an excellent compliment to vocals as well as a few different instruments, but there's a good reason that most mic lockers have lots of different sounding mics in them... You're right about the P67/germanium combo - It's a great sound, and as for finding a good deal on a P67, just get in touch with us - we'd love to help you out.
Mic A gives more crisp, detailed sounding while mic B gives warm, more natural sounding. i like mic B more
For me is...B Neumann U67- A Peluso P67.
I agree
I liked mic A a little more. They sound VERY close indeed, but mic A was slightly more open. They both worked very well in the mix though.
I preferred A.
He's right, the U67 on the male vocal was A. The sign is the very high end. The u67 has a smoother top end and the P67 has a little bit brighter top with a smidge more sibilance. Everything sounded pretty much the same on these mics except the 10k region is a bit more hyped on the P67. Almost sounds like somebody did a slight EQ boost on it.
Mic B sounded a bit smoother and richer to me. Curious to know which one was A and which one was B, they both sound great.
WOW, that Bricasti reverb is incredible. Much smaller than an original EMT plate reverb.
Hey, the Juno Soundtrack called.. they want their song back.
How do you tell a Peluso P67 from a REAL 67? Put a hipster behind it.
Can you use the mohawk as a pop filter next time?
Thanks folks, I'll be here all weekend!
hope you don't mind...I might seriously steal that mental image for some album art
The mic that is picking up Doug's talking in the control room is the Sennheiser MKH 416 shotgun. It's the shotgun that we use for all our shotgun needs. We used to use lapel mics, but found that the MKH 416 works better for us. We have one in stock, and I'd be happy to give you a really great price on it. Send me an email - david.barrett (at) soundpure (.) com
U 67, probably mic A, produces a little bit of rumble but sounds much better on male vocalist, while mic B sound really well here on female voice. Overall, for me this recording sounded little bit to bright and definitely to wet. BTW, I love u67 but I don't understand why people copy everything nowadays (movies remakes, songs covers, mics, preamps clones) what happen to the spirit of invention and originality!!!?
I just talked to one of the dudes at sound pure. Not in _ANY_ way pushy or salesy. Someone mentioned that calling to get the hi-res / find out which ones are which is un-ethical. I spent 7 years of my life selling sales training and there is absolutely nothing un-etchical about this approach. It's brilliant. After talking with them, I don't even think they are using it as a sales tactic, rather, they just love talking about mics... My next mic purchase will be from these guys Peluso 22 47se I thinks :)
+Jason Cox Do you like the 2247? I'm going to a studio whose best vocal mic is that one. Also, did they tell which is which?
+Sasim Hussain I have the 2247, the P12 and the P67.... The P67, to me, is the best of the 3 for my voice. The 2247 and the P67 are less specific than the P12. The P12 can be great on some sources and just radically wrong on others. The other two are more general and sound great on lots of things. I think you'll it a lot!
I have the Peluso 2247 se, omg, also have Peluso p280 & Neumann u87i & 103 , and many more high end mics, but Peluso 2247 se with RED JAN tune, mic kick ass
hello...i like the band who's playing for your test.....who is it?
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Thanks for taking a listen... but... (wink-wink)
Let us surprise you with the actual results... please contact us if you'd like to take a more careful listen to the original files and get the official results of the segments!
We simply won't post them here, but most people have enjoyed hearing the results for sure (as well as the high resolution files). I will say, listen blindly and be sure to not let the other commentators lead you astray!
Okay, listening with my Audio Technica ath-m70x (reference/flat response) headphones I hear very, VERY little difference (if any). I have a TLM-67, so I'd like to see how the NEW Neumann stacks up against the vintage Neumann.
That Guitar and Cello.
Not a very good A/B test
I consistently liked B better - which was that?
I prefer A on male - it is clear while laid-back. B is a little strident and I'm pretty sure the bottom end is different. On this particular female voice, I think B gives some lift.
As with all soundpure blind mic shootouts, they scrambled the mic A and Mic B on every take. So it's useless to say which is the neumann if you don't point the take you are taking about
They're close enough, that I'd buy the Peluso. Why spend 4 times as much for 3% difference? Love it!
I would be happy to share the results with you, as well as the full quality audio files if you'll send us a private message with your email address.
This is stupid. If you want to inform tell people which mic is which. There is a definate differance.
Virtually indistinguishable.
If im correct to what I think it is!
Can't argue with that comment at all!!
Thanks for your opinion! If you'd like to know which mic was which, then just send us an email.
A is the clearly the Neumann. Same thing with other clones.. you don't feel the emotional thud in your chest. B sounds like a recording.
The P67 works well with the Chandler - we've also found that it works brilliantly with the Vintech X73i and the Phoenix Preamps, if you are going for that classically vintage vibe. If you are looking for a deal, let us know, we will do our best - these aren't coming up on the used market because people who have them are in love with them, but we will do our best to hook you up - shoot me an e-mail, Doug(at)SoundPure(Dot)com
See, the U67 that I just used on my current project doesn't have any harshness whatsoever on the top.......so the guys saying that they thought that your U67 had a harsher top end (I know for sure that one of them did.....which I thought was the P67)....I'm wondering if it's just your particular U67, as they all vary. The one I used didn't have anything weird going on way up top.......so who knows.
They both sound great. Mic B was much more articulate
All very interesting comments... you may be surprised to hear what you think to be the real results! Don't hesitate to contact us directly if you would like either the high resolution audio files, or the actual results of the shoot-out segments. We will be glad to tell you the results, but need to keep it anonymous here, so people can enjoy it blindly. But, the results MAY surprise you!
Let me just say, this P67 is one incredibly fine microphone right out of the box...
is that hair helping you with the stereo separation whilst monitoring/mixing? :D
Which is B?
Small difference between the two though...
The song is beautiful
is it an early 67 the later ones have a more complicated grill
Sorry to be annoying - we're just human beings, trying to start meaningful conversations about microphones with other human beings. If you decide that you need to know what the answers are for this shootout, send us an email. The only thing that will happen is that you'll get a response from a human being. We'll give you the answer, and we'll also try to engage you in conversation. That's all. Hopefully it won't be too painful.
I will risk it and say I prefer B. Sounds more open. Now gonna see the results...
The p67 with the Germanium Pre is a combination dripping with warmth imo. Check out the youtube video Lizzy Loeb & Giulio Carmassi - "The One" . As soon as I can get a good deal (somehow) on a p67, I intend to use it to create a very oldies set of tunes reminiscent of say the old 60s "Like To Get To Know You'/Give A Damn type songs by Spanky/Our Gang.. also where u67s were used on practically every instrument/voice.
U67 is B all day...if A is the U67 it is broken and sounds harsh in the 3k area. B is smooth and present without being Harsh.
We're aware of MXL microphones and JJ Audio upgrades. The MXL mics are just one of the hundreds of Chinese made budget microphones. It does serve the utilitarian purpose of capturing audio and converting it to alternating current, but claiming that it has anything in common with a U67 is quite a piece of marketing garbage. I'd be happy to talk with you in more detail about microphones, if you'll email me - david.barrett (at) soundpure (dott) com
Liked A soloed but B in the mix
Having said that, if it turns out that I'm wrong and the Peluso is A on the male vocal.......I need to buy two. :-)
Why didn't you mention the pitch correction?
I liked Microphone A. Was it the Neumann?
Thanks for listening - it's not unusual for people to assume that the one that they prefer is the more expensive (or more vintage) microphones, that is until they learn about the results!
You can get the high resolution files, and/or results, by contacting us at mics(at)soundpure(dot)com
As far as clones are concerned, really great clones such as this one save people who want the sound/warranty/new-gear for serious use, but don't want to pay the price. Pretty compelling for most people.
are those focal twin6 be monitors?? if so, how do they sound?? :)