The Last Of Us Part 2 Review - Now That The Dust Has Settled
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May your death be swift. - Ігри
“With the world going to shit, this isn’t the game we need”. This is like the opposite of when the Doom fans and Animal Crossing fans formed an alliance.
It was a corporate PR stunt though
@@SyberianLynx It was a PR stunt that a bunch of unrelated animators made Isabelle and Doom Guy cartoons? I mean, that's pretty smart if it is.
@@SyberianLynx ummm how the two gaming communities coming together via fan artwork and memes is a pr stunt?
@@SyberianLynx I wouldn't say it was a corporate PR stunt but they did play off of the memes and the community of both games to say it was a corporate Carson that both were apart of is pretty disingenuous but it's not completely inaccurate but it is mostly inaccurate
Doom is an actual good game
“Now that the dust has cleared; allow me to throw more dust in the air.”
Yeah this review didn’t seem to say anything different than all the early ones
Collin Ruth exactly. Take your word from some Aussie guy who thinks doom is a good game lol. Follow the sheep homie
@@jacobross735 is doom not a good game?:(
The review is actually bad, the setting is great..That doesn't stop the consequences of his(Joel) actions..he is man that need to survive and he will do alot of crap and he thinks there wouldn't be a reaction? if we are talking about realism which that was what the game was going for then it makes sense for him to die..why do people think that because we have spent time with such a character we should always sympathise with the person with reasoning the results of their actions? Joel death was well justified and actually the best part of the game..imagine if the game was about Abby and you never knew about Joel story, wouldn't you agree to her convictions? So I can't believe I disliked this guy's video, this is my first time doing that..and that because he didn't use logic with this instead used "fans" as a defense..if you are truly a fan any would know that lastofus is about how love can be a bad thing in many cases..as Joel sacrifice the world for love, Ellie sacrificed a peaceful life(even after knowing why he was killed) for the love of her "father"..both were down right self centered in that point but it is understandable but doesn't negate the consequences of their actions.
Jacob Ross DOOM IS a good game. Blows this game out of the water actually.
The game wants you to see the effects of violence and how it’s a never ending cycle. Then proceeds to let you murder people needlessly and in the most gruesome ways possible
So much this.
I am not one to go around and be pretentious about videogames (I mean, I do believe that games can be art and that they have their own role as a medium, but that's another topic), I can perfectly enjoy a game for what it is without looking too deep into it but... Goddamn, if you try sell me a game as a good and complex narrative that can stand against novels and movies, then you have to use the interactivity of the game to tell your story.
That's what things like Ico, Nier Automata, Journey, Disco Elisium and many other games do.
I even like TLOU2 gameplay and how the plot/setting are developed (I dislike most new characters in it tho) but... Eh, it's not what people say it is.
If it didn’t have violence and gore y’all would still be mad about it tho
the game wants you to feel guilty about actions when gameplay is taken away from you in cutscenes.
Yeah right like it’s a f*cking apocalypse people are gonna murder people for their own gain it’s just the way it is
@@SauIHere cope lol
"Now That The Dust Has Settled"
*Looks To The Dislikes*
Me:The Dust Has Not Settled
*The Dust Will Never Be Settled*
Or maybe, _the spores_ ...
The dust has settled LOU2 is just not important to me honestly theres a reason why its not being touted like they pulled right before release lol its because GoT and then Cyberpunk lol TLOU2 is irrelevant in barely 2 months both in narration and gameplay
@@CynicallyObnoxious lol I would hardly call this game 'irrelevant'. Even now the channels that apparently hate this game are completely obsessed with it, posting a new video every 2-3 days trashing it. Ghost of Tsushima on the other hand has already come and gone. People played it, saw it for the samurai assassins creed that it was and the only ones fluffing it are the people desperately trying to shift focus away from TLOU 2. Evident by the countless metacritic accounts that got caught with only 2 reviews on their profile, one giving TLOU 2 a 0 and the other giving GOT a 10 lol. The debates on this game are arguably the hottest topic in gaming and will be even after the new consoles come out.
@ Actually no lol no one is posting about it even the people who love it Ghost stole its thunder and the attention but keep stanning
The best way to make violence impact the player is by making it a rarity. If you just constantly bombard the player with violence and making them constantly feel like shit, their going to either be desensitized to it or get annoyed at the game constantly telling them their a piece of shit by making them do it. Spec ops did it better.
Indeed it did, indeed it did; Spec Ops the Line truly made me feel like trash, but more importantly it made me think and realize many things that I haven't contemplated before.
@@novato455 see now as someone who loves this game I actually really agree with this criticism. It did feel like they were kinda going in that direction at points but they never committed to it. Well written brother.
@@novato455 yea. They managed to make a dark and deep story that worked, because it doesn't focus on how bad of a person you are, it subtly builds it up on the atrocities you commit and then beats you for doing it. TLOU2 tells you how horrible of a person you are of every second you fight humans and its grating.
i still remember every moment of Spec ops . that game is must play to anyone who like story that cannot be done other than video game form .
Yeah, its like Rambo IV would totaly have had much more impact as an anti war message, if Rambo had only killed one soldier off screen or something. Its not like the never ending violence was so repulsive, that it made a much more lasting impression.
Everytime I fought one of those big fat Scar ladies I thought of Miss Trunchbull, the head mistress in Matilda.
I miss maltida
Or Broomhilde (yes, that's her name) from Robin Hood: Men in Tights
Fuck. If I ever replay this game (probably will one more time years down the line) this is all I will be thinking about.
holy diddly fuck sticks i knew abby reminded me of someone
Bro!!! that's the same thing I was thinking!!!
The game was basically "Suffer Simulator 2020." It was brutal to watch, it was brutal to play.
2020 is sufering simulator
art imitates life
@@SonicBroham the last of us part 2 is not art. It's dogshit. Max payne 1 and 3, red dead redemption 1 and 2. Bioshock 1 and 2 are much much better revenge games!
@@Free_Palestine_419 I like those too dude. it's a phrase lol. breathe a bit.
i loved the combat. I find it super fun to play.
Gman: Troy Baker has some contract to allow him to play a guitar in ever game he's in
Tory Baker as Joker: Am I a joke to you?
And Rhys from tales from the borderlands
Also Jack Mitchell in Call of Duty Advance Warfare and Troy Brooks in Black Ops
Yuri Lowell from Tales of Vesperia.
Troy baker is and overpaid, overrated tool
@@patrickmcintyre7752 no
Calling a Wumpa Fruit a Peach is a good way to trigger me, thanks Gman.
I know, right?
It's a mango.
@@ChiruKobra it's a apple dude.
Dude actually it's salt
The Game Is Drepressing but not in an emotional way, not in a way that you actually will like it. The Last Of Us Part 1 Was Perfect.
Part 2 is way down Disappointing
It was even worse when my mum called them apples back in the 90s. They looked more like peaches but it was neither ffs
"I'm almost convinced that there's areas in this game you can't get through without the very least the enemy becoming aware of your presence and searching for you", yeah, this is a Naughty Dog trope for some reason. I can't remember if TLOU 1 had this problem (I'm pretty sure it did), but I know Uncharted 4 had this problem.
@@robrick9361 Damn that's fucking dumb. I played that level on grounded and it never happened to me, nor did it happen during the first half of hillcrest on survivor, which was the hardest human section in part 2.
The levels have exits out in the open, and in a couple of sections where it was needed for tension, they had the exits either sit directly in the path of enemies or had enemies spot you. The second half of hillcrest was like this, where you get to a certain point and there's just enemies chilling in the house so you can either throw a bottle or shoot an arrow behind them and make a run for it (pacifist) or murder the one closest to the window you can escape from and book it. Calling them hacks for instigating tension through natural gameplay progression is just about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. RS literally has fucking *waves* in their hyper-realistic western games, for fucks sake.
@@robrick9361 I beat that whole part in stealth, and I guarantee as soon as I killed the last hunter, the area spawned 4 more by script. They immediately started searching, and glitched out, basically they didn't move from their position ( I could see them with listening mode).
I didn’t have many, but there were definitely a few areas that required you to fight. I remember being angry at the game forcing a combat encounter at you when you go to retrieve the engine parts at the school.
@@Hoffyman That was a pain in the buttox to go through school on Grounded Difficulty. I'm not even talking about that Bloater boss fight with no ammo.
P4th F!nder I can’t imagine how much a pain in the ass that would have been. I just didn’t like how after you try your hardest to stealth past everything you always get noticed after passing one of the buses. I thought the game was broken.
I want to point something out. Every time when there is a shitty game/movie, where the writing/direction is shit it’s always the actors that are being criticized and sent death threats. I think the most notable example in the form of Movies is this kid actor that played Kid Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars Prequels got criticized hard, although his acting was fine, it was the writing and direction that was a trainwreck in those Star Wars Movies. About a Decade later and people are still doing that! I don’t understand it! I simply don’t.
*kid anakin
Same man, I don’t get it either. It’s so disgusting
It was everything. And yes, that child actor was terrible. Saying it's fine is giving it too much credit.
Papadoc1981 I don’t think an eight year old has the same acting level as Anthony Hopkins. I’m guess you were expecting too much from a literal child for his first role ever.
This wasn’t the case for the last season of game of thrones though the directors got rightfully shat on
14:14 "Jumping. What a feature."
Excellent!
“Sir, there’s an angry mob here to see you.”
“Do they have an appointment?”
“Yes they do.”
1:50 you really know he's depressed when he doesn't include a Tourettes Guy audio-clip during the car crash.
"Ouch"
*awww shit!*
I figured the mechanics of TLOU2 would be good but the story would suck ass. The footage leaks leading up to its release led me to think that. And every review I've seen has only confirmed as much.
not even a SCHWACKED....
@@natejennings5884 Too bad the later half of the game is a walking simulator with barely any gameplay so it's not even bad in that respect
Did anyone else forget they were playing the last of us during the Abby segment until they like mentioned Joel or Ellie and you’d remember “oh shit right this is the Last of Us”
Lmao
I didn't forget. I spent way too long jumping her off buildings and letting her get eaten by infected.
The Ellie fight was a solid 40 mins of trying to find all the ways of getting her get braid caved in. Good times, 10/10.
@@HuwPewPew Let the hate flow through you ;)
@@lidaaletap2646 haha it was an absolute salt-fest! I played Ellie like she was precious and loved, I played Abby like I'd stepped in something and had to spend hours scraping it off the bottom of my shoe.
@@HuwPewPew you need help dude
“Minor Spoilers”
“Joel dies”
What do you consider a large spoiler?
You don’t kill Abby at the end
OdNaTioN97 you play fetch with a dog 🐕. It’s pretty cool. I like dogs in real life, so it was cool doing it in a videogame.
Joel was a small side character so it’s a small spoiler xD
nick gurr bruh it’s a joke, I put “xD” at the end which means it’s sarcastic/not serious. Obviously everyone knows Joel’s the main character and I’ve played the game
nick gurr no problem mate
"Most people will see Abby in a better light than Ellie" -Gbloke
"Umm about that..." - *Hundreds of Abby death montages on youtube*
@JL-CptAtom Ellie is a better character than Abby by default. Ellie shows more emotion in 10 hours than that buffed up T - 1000 does. Ellie shows regret and remorse for the people she kills, Abby feels none.
JL-CptAtom So you’re saying that she should’ve killed Dina even when she was told that she is pregnant? That definitely wouldn’t make her better than Ellie since she was willing to kill a pregnant woman before Lev stopped her. At least with Ellie, she realized the horror she did after she killed Mel and a dying Owen tried telling her that Mel was pregnant.
JL-CptAtom That doesn’t make her better than Ellie if she was willing to kill a pregnant woman even after knocking her out and I’m just sticking to this subject cause it reflects on what Ellie did but at least she realized she did something horrible on killing a pregnant woman unlike Abby who was going to be way worst and be glad in killing a pregnant Dina if Lev didn’t stop her plus it would’ve destroyed her relationship with Lev had she killed Dina.
JL-CptAtom Well that’s Ellie in your opinion but that doesn’t justify in killing a pregnant Dina especially in knocking her out, being told she is pregnant right before she is about to get killed. Sure Dina should have stayed in Jackson when she had symptoms especially vomiting and feeling tired than normal. Obviously it was crazy of her to go to Seattle. Abby sure was pissed at what Ellie and tommy had done but getting rid of Dina when she was pregnant would’ve destroyed her relationship with Lev and if Lev was dead before that scene it certainly would’ve affected her way worse since she was willing to kill a pregnant woman.
@@helenline1790 no wait. Abby doesn't feel shocked. But yeah, she feel remorse and guilt.
We have explanation for this. While Ellie was in Jackson to kiss Cat, Abby was obsessed and mentality stressed for what she has passed and for the war she was fighting (I'd like to remember Abby has 19/20 years when we play her... She passed her teen loosing everything and fighting everything while she was obsessed and broken inside).
She simply doesn't feel shocked for what she has done, cause she has seen too much shit. That doesn't shock her anymore. She saw tortured people everyday.
I'd like to remember that both char (yeah also Ellie) think they are doing the right thing. Ellie feels shocked, but the next day she is instantly there to search for Abby. She think they are deserving what Abby's friends are passing cause of her.
(sorry for my bad eng, I'm Italian)
Abby’s dad is the “tony stark of the apocolypse” dude im deaddd
Wasn’t even the same NPC doctor from the first game which made me laugh.
DaScorpionSting i know they look completely different
For someone who's supposed to be smart, threatening someone with a GTA protag-tier weapon inventory doesn't seem to support that.
@@DaScorpionSting Is it true that the original doctor was black? Cause there's your reason right there.
@@Howlingd0g Why aren't people complaining about that? That's literally the whitewashing everyone complains about.
“A story that probably didn’t need to be told” you my friend have hit the nail right on the head
Yep. I felt like I wasted my time after playing it. I didn't know what the point of it was.
@@eddiefisher3093 compete waste of time teaming up with Vera and Lev and then having to complete missions with each companion
@@eddiefisher3093 Exactly you didn't know what the point was, you didn't see it, the developers failed to get you to understand what they were trying to tell. Thank god there's still a lot of people who knew what the point was.
But it did... Its the greatest story a game has ever told... a masterpiece
@@TheLynx30 To me it was silly to do this for a sequel to the last of us. Joel and Ellie are what made the first game so special. Not the post apocalyptic world. Or the infected. It was their dynamic and how their relationship developed throughout. This game didn't have that. It didn't connect to me.
I don't mind them killing Joel off. I expected that. But it's all about execution. Too much of this game felt like making moments shocking for the sake of it. Henry and Sams deaths in part 1 were shocking but they had weight to them. Made you feel sadness when it happened. Jesse just gets shot and that's that. Move on from him and play as Abhy for 10 hours.
I could see what they were trying to do. But it didn't work for me. I felt no emotion apart from when Joel and Ellie were on screen. And it's no coincidence that the best parts of the game are the flashbacks between those 2
But if people liked it fair enough. Lots of people love Spiderman ps4 and say its got a great story. But I felt the story was awful and so predictable in it. But that's the beauty of art. It's all subjective and hits us differently.
Great review. I will say after playing through the original right before part 2 I feel it's crazy that some people see little to no difference in the gameplay because to me, part 2 plays way better then 1.
I loved taking down half the enemy forces flowing from gun fight seamlessly into hand to hand, someone coming in I'll throw a bottle or brick then rush them with the melee then running off and the baddies loose me.
For real. It might not seem different in terms of mechanics, but the fluidity of it all is MILES better. Running away or combat in TLOU was really clunky.
Off that description it sounds like it plays almost exactly the same as 1
Also to note, generally you dont really need to change a whole lot to the mechanics if the mechanics work. I definitely think that they have similar mechanics but the last of us 2 elevates it. From the movement, proning and being able to go to tight squeezes, to being able to just run and pick up as if youre actually trying to get away and grab something in a hurry. I hate it how people say gameplay doesnt change anything and so gameplay is mediocre. No, call of duty had the same gameplay the entire time but no one seems to bat an eye for it
Yeah, judging by all the negative reviews I feel like I'm playing an entirely different game than everyone else. This shit is tight and polished; I've never seen such good third person action/stealth gameplay.
@Supreme Suspender Quiet, the grownups are talking.
How does someone quickly and painlessly killing your father to save his daughter justify brutally torturing a 55 year old man to death who saved your life by the way
Ry Guy Ask the writers
It's Nietzsche, Bietzsche! What I’m saying is killing Joel I guess would have been justified but the way that she kills him by torturing him to death is so unnecessary and completely unjustified to the point that it’s comical
The thing is no matter how much we all like Joel, his actions are irredeemable, people just seem to forget that
@@RyGuy-zu3mi so she's gone through four years of her life without her father. She goes from what seems a comparatively pretty peaceful life as a Fire Fly to the WLF who have been in a war and casually torture Seraphites. And you wonder why she tortures Joel? In her eyes, he took everything from her. So she wants revenge and she thinks she wants it to be prolonged, but in the end it effects her.
He didn’t just kill her father, it ended up completely ruining her life.
She became obsessed with revenge and turned into a monster because of Joel’s actions.
And after what Joel did at the end of the last game, which was a really shitty thing to do, it was only a matter of time before somebody took him out for it.
I felt uncomfortable killing the fireflies at the end of the first game. I actually felt like the bad guy especially having to kill the doctor
*SPOILERS INCOMING* When the Abby part started, I actually thought the point of the game was showing that Ellie and Abby weren't that different. I was waiting for the big reveal on Ellie's part that the doctor Joel killed was Abby's father, that Ellie would have a moment of understanding and realize they were kinda on the same mission and no one was better than the other and that they could if not forgive each other then at least sympathize and leave each other be. But no. Ellie never knew Abby was avenging her father. I figured losing a father (figure) was something they could bond over. Naughty Dog didn't exactly stick the landing there.
That would’ve been kind of interesting in a way.
well, i don't know how well that would have worked. if you found out the person who murdered your father also lost a father, would that make you any less enraged at them?
@@jamesliggins891 Maybe not less enraged, but I believe it would have been a natural area to explore their common ground. After all, Abby let Ellie and Dina live when she had the upper hand. Had Ellie known Joel killed Abby's father, I think maybe Ellie wouldn't have looked for Abby again, and I for one feel that something like this would have been a better and more natural closure of the story.
@@berganssekk Abby only let Ellie and Dina live because of Lev. If Lev wasn't there, they were both goners.
@@jamesliggins891 That's true, good point. I still think the ending was a bit...incomplete or unsatisfactory seeing as Ellie didn't know about Abby's father, though. Felt that would've been a natural way for the story to go 🙂
8:45
"I guess naughty dawg just hates money"
Or is owned by PlayStation?
Yeah that was a bruh moment.
Guerilla Games is owned by Sony and Horizon will be on PC.
@@manulaverdiere
Still not naughty dawg's decision which is what he said
@@manulaverdiere The Last of Us is a Playstation exclusive series. But it is true that more and more console exclusives are coming to PC.
@@manulaverdiere There is a difference Guerilla is owned by Sony but ND is an in house studio and always was, ND is Sony's personal studio basically, they make Sony exclusives exclusively.
"You can spend an entire video breaking down the problems simply from a narrative perspective until your tongue goes dry"
Fans: you don't have to tell me twice
that's actually a huge problem in a narrative driven game.....
Now i just want to watch Home Alone
And matilda
1 day ago...
@@cfiber_inc yeah wtf
@@TES_735 i think he is a friend of gman and got the sneak peak of the video first
@@cfiber_inc ahahahahahhaha he's so ahead of his time ahahahahahaaa oh IDK why this had me dying
Looking back at its history, it really didn't end out with people sympathizing with Abby more.
That is the point of what the devs are intending to make.
@@FoobarMagnum they tried doing that but seemed to miss it.
@@FoobarMagnum they won't because she's a woman
@@onion_____ No, I think they would do it but I dont think they have the right moment for that. Just because she's a woman doesnt mean she can't have the Joel treatment.
@@agentlinrov1474 [X] Doubt
I'm pretty sure ellie only went back because Tommy made her feel guilty about making that promise right after she was having really bad ptsd flashbacks from all the transpired. One of the symptoms of that is often times self-destructive behaviors. It almost feels like a story of what mental health can do to an individual's life towards the end of the game imo.
7:11 visuals gives me Death Stranding vibes
GMan's gonna need a palate cleanser after playing The Sad of Us Part II, might I suggest the Destroy All Humans remake coming out later this month?
I was so excited two days ago because I thought it came out, just to realise it was the 28th it came out
@@DCGMatthew1 Less than three weeks left, we got this!
TLOU2: Actually, you are the monster. Those were people you killed.
Destroy All Humans: I know, that is the fun!
@dayzgone yes, he's a troll.
And you're a bitch. How about u fuck off ?
He referenced this game's fans as people who were overly critical of SpongeBob Battle For Bikini Bottom: Rehydrated (from what I remember), so I'm guessing that's what he played for a palate cleanser while playing TLOU2. But yessss, Destroy All Humans next!!!
Was I supposed to feel bad when killing all the enemies? It felt like the game wanted me to feel bad.
You're must literally be Hitler
In the end this game is pretty much Undertale with a billion times the budget yet very shitty writing.
I like the details that the NPCs call each other by their names during combat but I highly suspect this detail was only included just so the game go “how can you do this to people! They had names you heartless bastard!!! >:(” nonstop
“I didn’t choose to be here, Ellie did. And they’re trying to murder me. What the hell do you want from me!?”
@@wallyhackenslacker and undertale was developed by only 1 person!
this game is like pouring sulfuric acid into your head, emotionally corrosive. Constantly making the player feel like a sack of shit by showing us that the people we killed are good people, and by killing characters we love out of nowhere without buildup.
On one hand, it’s realistic. On another hand, games are supposed to be positively memorable. This game is traumatic for the wrong reasons
Good God get laid
They did a great job. They aren’t real people
Joel vibin at the end with his guitar will forever be playing in my head 😭
12:13 "And belive me; hamsters can be vicious bastards". Coming from an australian man, thats oddly terrifying
Ah yes... The Last Jedi of video game sequels.
lol, what a fucking idiot. Last Jedi was bad because of its SJW theme that crippled how OG characters would act and behave. This game is as anti-SJW as it gets as each character acts accordingly to their core. Joel died because Tommy fucked up and giving away their names. Ellie let Abby live because Ellie at her core is actually a pretty nice girl who wants to a superhero.
@@roastpork5437 That's a good joke. Both are SJW to the core.
@@MarkEstratocaster No they are not. TLJ really fucked up the characters with the on the nose SJW stuff, while people in Last of us 2 are just people of different body sizes and two of them are kinda gay. So there is nothing SJW there at all and riding the SJW train on and on with that game is not a good look for most people, as that has a certain right wing touch.
@@DamienFromPoison Literally every relevant white guy in the history dies, except Tommy, who breaks up with his wife and loses an eye. Add a Christian sect that kills everyone who is different. Let's not forget how they went for full representation of all genders/transgenders and races either (I care about a good game, so it can be all white guys or all black girls and I won't care at all as long as it plays good, but the SJW crowd feel like it's a must to have to not be racist, so another hint to add to previous points/hints). Also Neil Druckman is best pals with Anita Sarkeesean and talks about how great his agenda is.
I don't see anything right wing about the story. If you would like to point out anything, I'm very happy to listen.
Such an original comment.
The combat/stealth being so similar to the first game reminds me of how it feels like I have one hand tied behind my back the entire game. Going through several areas of clickers in a row and trying to sneak past them without being spotted is a nightmare, it doesn't help that you can't kill them without shims or wasting your ammo.
A bottle and a molotov is all you need.
Honestly, as someone with anxiety and depression, this game didn’t seem to affect me as much as other people claim. It was just nice to get out of my own head
Same. I’ve been replaying it as well. I don’t think the story was executed very well but I actually like stories with these themes. Honestly even with it failing in some areas for me it still has a more interesting story than most games.
Same here. I dunno, maybe I'm just fucked up but I thought it was a pretty cathartic experience. I got sucked into the game because I found it was so suspenseful and engaging, a few minor pacing issues aside. I loved Part I and I loved Part II. I wonder how differently the game would've been received if those leaks hadn't happened...
It didn’t give me anxiety or depression. LOU1 is the best game of all time. Joel had video game karma, he was going to die of course. Everyone knew that. And it caused Ellie the anger to go after the antagonists. But of course there are no good or bad people in the zombie apocalypse walking dead has tAught us. Just people. They told both sides. And it was a good story and continuation of the first game even though it didn’t have some major twist or change in plot from the first game, it was still good.
Because you are not the fan. It will hit different for others who had deep feeling within the game.
Alexandra Ross literally played the original game like 5 times
I really don't get why everyone's talking about this game... Third person shooter, revenge plot and zombies... I didn't think people would miss 2008 that much...
People talk about it because it's last of us and naughty dog. If some other company, let's say ubisoft, had made a third person shooter with zombies and a revenge plot, they would bash and flame it to death and call it unoriginal, uninnovative, cliche, forgettable, cashgrab, etc.
Well it's no more talking than more like mucking the ever shit out of it.
On top of that, you have name calling, insults, and bad takes on all sides drowning out the legitimate praises and criticisms to the game as well as death threats to the actors/writers, and the cherry on top, the outright hostility of people that can't even express their views or critique on this game at all, fueling a very hostile and awful example of video games as serious works of creative media. This really takes the cake of profitable yet divisively epic shitshow of the year and a pretty nihilistic way to start off the new decade with this contrived yet bloated 20-25 hour merry go round of violence and revenge in the most cliched and boring way.
What is about 2008 gaming? Fallout 3 slow paced and glitchy gameplay?
@@theprowler18 Complaining about people and their disability to express their views, but then just dropping only subjective hate on the game. And comparing people who like something to people sending death threats is like saying punks are as bad as nazis.
TLOU2 feels like it overstays it’s welcome...then you have to play as Abby for 8+ hours...and then there’s another 2-3 hours after that...
i mean i like it
I find that the issue that made it feel that way was the game's pacing. If the game was structured more like a movie as the first game was rather than a 4-season TV show, it wouldn't have felt overly long, nor would some of the revelations and emotional impacts have been completely lost with time. While I did find myself preferring to play as Abby as time went on (though I wish she had a knife like Ellie), I was really upset in wanting to see what was going to happen at the theater just to have to reset all three days and start off with a slow slog through the stadium. I love taking my time to explore every facet of an environment, but you can't go from the fast pace and inevitable meeting between Abby and Ellie, and the pain Abby inflicted on Jesse and Tommy, to immediately making me walk around a compound talking about friendship tension and tossing around a ball.
i mean i like it @@southpaw117
you can't say you didn't get your money's worth though! I actually enjoyed that the game was long. IDK, i think they did a good job here tbh. but thats just my opinion, we're all entitled to our own opinions :)
@@daryldixon7187 bro no one cares that you like it, stop commenting
Interesting take. I had much the same reaction to the ending. There are a few points where it could have ended on a more positive note but then it does a 180, like psych! I disagree about the gameplay. Yes it’s true, it does feel like the first game in many ways but the larger, more natural environments, new enemy types and improvements to mobility and your arsenal are a marked improvement on the first game. I think if you like the gameplay in the first game you’ll appreciate the improvements here. It’s not a power fantasy. You’re supposed to feel vulnerable and like you just made it through each encounter. That being said, I totally understand why it’s not for everyone.
Thanks for actually talking about AND SHOWING gameplay. Most reviews I've seen don't either show enough of it or don't mention the details.
The game is literally tragedy porn
Yeah. I mean the first one was that too but it's a lot shorter and the moments are very spread out.
like your comment
@@daryldixon7187 thanks man
Absolutely Dreadful thanks ma-wait, why are you thanking him? WHY AM I THANKING YOU!? _AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!_
This game is for leftwing females with its female characters and B class drama plot. Period. I have transallergy and allergy to different isms. Can't play this or like this either. Thanks for the Gggmanboss for the video, though.
Spoilers let me save 60$. Thanks.
Honestly so little gameplay is involved that you could really get 99% the same experience just watching the "movie" version of it here on youtube.
David Davidson so little gameplay? Haha what? Tons of gameplay in this
@Maintenance Renegade "the leaks were a godsend because without them this turd probably would have sold like hotcakes over the first week"
dude this game sold 4 million copies in its first weekend, faster than any other ps4 exlusive.
Maintenance Renegade I had a lot of respect for Naughty Dog before this game came out. They were one of the better devs out there, then this game dropped and fans had their criticisms of the game. Instead of trying to understand why people could be disappointed what does Druckman do instead? He berates his fan base and tells them their opinions don’t matter. I know one person won’t make a difference, but this is the last Naughty Dog game I’ll ever buy. It’s almost like Druckman forgot that it’s his fans that put Naughty Dog on the map.
I think the reason there is no difficulty trophies is because I can imagine the articles now.
Naughty dog has 1 million accessibility options but you can’t use any of them on the highest difficulty otherwise he won’t get the trophy and that’s offensive (or something)
Ellie: *kills hundreds of people by cutting their throats, burning them alive and turning them into red smudge with EXPLOSIVE ARROWS*
Game: I don't see a problem with this...
Ellie: *tortures someone once by smacking them to death with a pipe*
Game: Don't you see how horrible and evil Ellie has become?! She's losing it!
Why do you people use loose instead of lose?
There are so many of you, I'm just wondering if the education system has decided to completely give up on spelling.
@@sigma6656 I was typing this out fast and English is my "second" language, but thanks for pointing it out.
@@JewishFrog It's an extremely common mistake.
I assumed you were some American teenager so please ignore the "you people" comment lol.
I rarely see people ever use the word lose anymore.
There’s a huge difference between killing people in self defence, or because they’re a faction hunting you as you’ve trespassed into their territory, while they’re armed to the teeth and are a militia ordered to shoot on sight versus torturing someone and prolonging their pain and suffering while they’re already dying slowly and are unarmed and not fighting back, whilst being a more personal engagement as Nora helped hunt down Joel. The story makes it obvious that it isn’t the act of the killing but specifically the torture, in which Ellie has never done before because you don’t need to do it to survive in their world. Also in what way does the game portray or say Ellie is evil?
@@josiahsuarez5415 you should teach the meaning of self defense to Abby lol
GManLives: "Yeah, because being stealthy through thick grass is never done before."
*MGS 3: Snake Eater intensifies*
Yeah, he was sarcastic
@@FloppyFiona They know.
@@TheRealNeonwarrior That's why I said "Yeah" at the beginning
Turok where the grass was as big as you
@@magicmanscott40k So true
I literally did a spit take on that ‘Kevin’ gag 😂😂
I agree about the flashback sequences. I feel like they could have kept the flashbacks to cutscenes since a lot of them were just there for character development. Each one had this awesome moment, but having this mechanically stripped down “walk forward , press triangle every once in a while, and listen to the conversation” aspect leading up to the moment bored me for some reason.
4:31
Idk if the creator can control what ads show up but at this moment I got an ad for golf clubs... God I'll never see golfing the same lolol
"I think most people will see Abby In a better light"
oh Buddy if only you knew it was the other way around lol
Most people despise Abby and wanted Ellie to kill her in the end.
But is it what Joel wanted? Killing her would end up coming biting her back with bloody Lev.
@@agentlinrov1474 Condering that Joel said that he would do it all over again (killing people to save her), yeah! He would approve her decision.
she got her revenge, brought all her friends to this punitive expedition, planed everything, tortured Joel and never showed any remorse after and she only didn't kill Dina because Lev told her not to do
Mel is right at some point to call her a piece of shit
She even get the happy ending despite all of that
Fuck Abby
@@MaitreMechant I dont think she got a bloody happy ending, mate. She sees first hand who to not mess around with.
@@takezokimura2571 I dont think so. Ellie doesnt had anyone to save (except Tommy who's risking himself of going out to kill them). If she saves Tommy, its already time to stop hunting her down and head back since the two of them have already killed most of Abby's friends.
Even then, there was no one to save after coming back to the settlement and killing her would kind of be a disservice to Joel.
Honestly this all would have gone over better if it was entirely different characters in the same setting.
Also, who'd make a game about revenge in a post-MGSV world? Whooo?
Can you explain about post MGSV thing?
also hotline miami with both revange and hyperviolence(honestly hm is more violent then tlou2)
@EPBИH what is hm? Hitman?
No most people don't see Abby in a positive light.
I still hated her, but I get what they were going for, building up a story and seeing things from her point
I can empathize with her, but the issue is that after all was said and done, her story was just that. A story, with a lot to be said but poorly told. It’s not an experience where you find yourself riding along in their shoes. It wasn’t no Lee or Joel. Abby’s story breaks my suspension of disbelief too many times and it’s set pieces feel like a waste of time in the grand scheme because of how irrelevant they are to the main story. Druckman should have taken note from the first game. The backdrop should not be the setting. The Wolves vs Scars shouldn’t have hogged so much screen time. The fireflies vs the military set the stakes but never took the stage light from the story.
Matthew Knudson well that’s fair enough
Honestly, I feel like a whole new storyline where you play as abby and then it's revealed what her mission is would have been a better game
yeah, i think part 2 should’ve been completely abby, telling her story with the wlfs and how they finally come to find out about joel and have joels death being like the last scene or something. then 3 would be the revenge story of ellie
@@hayden6591 Believe me the backlash they would have gotten then would make a street riot look like a fun party 😂😂. People basically just wanted a continuation of joel and ellie adventures!
S3RV3R 3RROR I just wanted a good story
ehhhhh, The Last Of Us is all about _Ellie,_ I don’t think that would’ve really worked.
@@a9dm460 Ellie felt like such a minor player in II that i cant say it would be worse
Man, one of the most divisive video games had to release on a console I don’t own.
Seriously though I’m starting to get sick of seeing this game everywhere, probably because I haven’t played it.
You know you can choose not to watch a UA-cam video. And that by watching it you will get more last of us recommended.
I had this feel but with Horizon Zero Dawn, back before release when it was being advertised *everywhere*. I'd never gotten so sick of hearing about a game before it had even come out.
@@Vulkans you can grab a copy of it on pc now
Then stop watching videos discussing it? Lol
for me that was Overwatched.
It makes sense to be buff in a survival scenario
Lol what? Dude you know how much time, energy and food you waste to look like that when you can be efficient in other things?
Nah , you would just need a shitload of bodyweight workout to look like that and that's possible in a world like that.
It would be like a greener Mad Max without the cars, more like The Road...
It’s not just that. She’s the ONLY character with THAT level of muscle mass. Why the fuck isn’t anyone else in her team or Jackson that built? It doesn’t make sense either way.
@@redmedia399 Exercise is just one part of the equation, you also need nutritious and protein-rich food. Good luck with that in the apocalypse.
@@redmedia399 dude. Stop telling this shit. You've never worked out. even as a guy,it takes YEARS to put on lean CONSISTENT muscle which actually stays even if you starve. For a woman,it's even harder.
Anyone ever notice that the cycle of revenge doesn’t stop when ellie lets Abby go? It will keep happening. Ellie killed a lot of people to get to Abby and it’s VERY certain that they have connections/friends/relatives as well! But of course, they’re just NPCs and don’t matter...when really this whole game is based around a worthless NPC you kill at the end of the first game.
Also, with a ending where a flashback is so conveniently placed where the player didn’t know about it existing, yet ellie knew the ENTIRE time, is just downright insulting and manipulative.
There is so much wrong with this game that I just can’t comprehend how blind one must be to ignore its faults. Yes, their message is a good message. Except it wasn’t a message that hit the target and missed by a long shot.
You’re entitled to your opinion.
Part 3 is about a son(FTM) of Fat Geralt setting out to get revenge for his father against Ellie.
Obviously NPC's aren't people, duh
I barely killed anyone in my playthrough, you don’t have to kill people other than a select few to advance. This renders your point null.
Also, what the hell do you mean manipulative?? All stories are manipulative by their very nature, they elicit emotions by having certain things happen otherwise you’d never be invested. What a stupid criticism.
All stories are manipulative
10:56
“It feels like a 2013 game with 2020 visuals.”
That is an accurate description of the game.
Tbh, you can say that about all of these games today. Madden, 2k, Call of Duty, Battle Royale games, etc. This game is great and I don't get why people hate it so much.
Why does everyone mention the enemies' names "feature" ; it was already present in GTA V back in 2013...
I know, but i definitely think it was done a lot better in Lou2, there's only so many Mercs named Menendez you can kill before it starts to get a bit repetitive
Lmao, the Godfather game for the ps2 had randomly generated names for the goons you shoot up. This shit aint new.
I have killed four Amirs in 25 minutes of The Last of Us 2. Speaking of repetition.
Why does everybody hate new mechanics if they've been done before? "Oh, you gave your racecar wheels? People having been doing that for millenia, idiot. Come up with something new!"
@@aziwazzi3352 Because people praise them in the "Next gen" and games promote them as "Cool new features!"
Love the vid as always, but I will say that the accessibility options should be celebrated. What might be easy mode for you and I is just the ability to play the game for some
Thank you. I got into video games late and easy mode is literally the only way I can play a game. I also have bad video game anxiety so as pathetic as it seems to “hard-core gamers” I decided to experience the story first through the easiest gameplay option so I wouldn’t be bogged down by stress and I’m glad I did because it made the experience a lot more enjoyable for me personally.
You have a point: Accessibility should always be used in video games. Easy mode is a godsend since video games are first and foremost for *fun.*
Still, those options in TLOU2 take away any challenge involved. You are basically invincible. I'd be totally fine with them being there if you were able to unlock them or they were a cheat code, but they're there right off the bat, I believe.
@@QuillWorks I used to be the same. One of my siblings would always pick on me for choosing Beginner Mode back when Kingdom Hearts 2 first released. Now I'm moving up to Critical Mode.
Ignore those people, as a video-game is meant to be *fun.* If it's not online then it's especially supposed to be fun for *you.*
Play how you want, and don't ruin the fun for others.
I don't have any notable disabilities aside from being shit at gaming, so the accessibility mode helped a lot during the hospital boss :'D
@@charbucket1830 Hard of hearing and vision wise? Of course not. Those should always be available so everyone can play... But things that completely destroy the challenge? It's preferable for those to have to be unlocked.
I struggle with anxiety and depression as well, but I didn't find myself feeling particularly affected by it. (Anxious maybe, it's suspenseful as fuck.) I dunno, I found a certain catharsis/escapism in how engrossing the story was.
I have both and depersonalization disorder
I can relate to your statement. He must have been joking when he said that about a warning for depressed people.
yeah, he clearly doesn't understand depression, but that's fine.
Isnt it just a joke
I believe those who suffered or suffers from anxiety, depression, or other debilitating illnesses have a sense of empathy and compassion towards a game like this. Atleast the deep emotional thinkers would.
“Y’all got a towel or anything?”
>Makes gruesome combat with lots of gore
>"Those are people and you should feel bad about killing them"
Imagine DOOM eternal or Mortal Kombat doing this "violence is bad" bullshit.
This thing worked in Undertale but not in TLOU2 because: A) you actually can do a pacifist run, so any kill is 100% on you; B) the combat kind sucks and killing ALL enemies is annoying grinding; C) The emotional manipulation in TLOU2 is so painfully obvious, specially if you know how tropes works.
Hahaha.
@Mialisus you can still get a good ending killing enemies in metro though. All you have to do is like a Couple of missions stealthily. Like the bridge mission comes to mind. Oh and treat people in the cities nicely too. I've done it before.
@@frankyhorn2475 This. I mean the karma system in the whole metro series was as bad and restrictive as the one in Fallout 3. But in metro 2033/last light and sometimes exodus there was a lot of actions/tasks with npcs that could give you a lot of good points, like donating to a random beggar. But still it can be too easy to screw up at not getting the good ending, especially with the stealth segments. I just knock out as many people as I can at close range, while silently killing the rest that I can't reach.
@@emissionsoonstalker4853 oh, you just meant it was a simple morality system. Right. At least it *has* a morality system, right?
@@frankyhorn2475 Yes, I mean a morality system fits perfectly for making a game like Metro. But the current system is way too simple, to which it actually hinders the gameplay and story at times. I mean morality in a dark post apocalyptic world like metro isn't really necessary and in fact can be costly in the need for survival, as outlined in the books. But still its an important part of Human society, or whats left of it in the ruins. I love metro, but they really need to work on the flexibility of that morality system for future titles.
4:39 or better: It cuts back to Attack of the clones...
I mean that's how people rewatched it before the Disney era, IV V I II III VI. So if you wanna pretend the panthom menace doesn't exist you do IV V II III VI
Good review with some great points made. I like that it wasnt all positive or negative like other reviews can be and he obviously formed his own opinion on it. There are things I agree with and others I don't but that's ok, people can have different opinions.
One critic I hear a lot of though (about games in general) is that they are too long. Personally I like longer games because I want to spend a lot of time going through it. I have more fun the first time in a game than replaying it so I prefer it to be longer. I find 30-40 hours of main plot to be a good amount of time for me personally. I find it gets to be a bit much when it goes on for like 80+ hours (looking at you Persona 5). But different strokes for different folks
Yet people complain that games are too short. Which is why the whole it’s too long or it’s too short complaint is irrelevant.
That ‘TallyHOEEE’ had me laughing hard 😂😂 amazing job as always and I agree with your points 100%
8:50 got some bit of criticism to you: you going to keep in mind that most of the Accessibility features (including the Combat Accessibilities) ARE MEANT for the disability crowd, not for journalist.
and yet, Naughty Dog didn't add Gyro Aiming despite DS4 having the same function as Nintendo Switch Controllers.
@@sadsenmmxvi ensuring that actual disabled players (trust me, I've seen some in the Fighting Community who can still play despite their condition, and piss off LowTierGod in the process) can play the game with no problem, even if it destroys the game's balance/design (for Combat Accessibility), see: Celeste's very own Assist Mode.
Unless you're a trophy hunter, speedrunner, don't know how to control both Left and Right Sticks simultaneously, you don't need the majority of those options on.
12:56
"The heat is on"
Lmaoo
Rip glen frey.
:(
Who? I just know the song from the movie. I couldn't care less about the person who made the song.
@@Vujnovic634 Glen frey from The Eagles.
And yes...Beverly Hills Cop is a good movie.
I love to see ur walkthrough man. Really would love to see u combat play.
Life is Strange holds the same light to this game, they are both so mentally draining its crazy.
One of them is good and the other isnt
Precisely... Even though I liked the emotional appealing of the first LIS, I can't deny that game is emotionally exhausting, like damm, I remember how depressed I was when I finished the game, but somehow I still have good memories, probably I'm masochist Lmao..
@@Jane-qh2yd neither is. "Stupid gun" god dammit. Chloe, same as Ellie, killed a dog no problem. Not saying this is bad, but how many angry lesbians shooting dogs do we need?
@@cyberdemon9306 i mean, the depress that u have after playing life is strangd is a kind well-earned one, that even it could have destroyed ur inside somehow, u still welcome it and embrace it. But TLOU 2 is nothing more than a kick in the ball, u feel pain and depress when u find out ur left nut had been cut cus of some inner injure, you wish it never happen, u wish u never play it. Opposite of Life is strange, when i wish i forget itjust to play it the 1st time again
@@Jane-qh2yd i wouldn't say LiS is shit, it's cool
A Matilda reference and a Home Alone one as well.What a fucking LEGEND.
Yeah lol
Review Darkwood.
literally the GOAT horror game.
atmosphere in that game is godlike
I too would love to see a review of Darkwood.
I appreciate your review and waht you had to say here, and I totally get why people avoid games like these if they cant handle it with their mental or emotional state and I think its good of you to be able to say that without machismo.
But I really dont like the idea that a game has to "leave us feeling good", or at least that was the impression i got by the end of your review. I think if we're ever gonna elevate games to the status of art, which I think they are, these kinds of uneasy or even downright negative emotions have to have some sort of place, and I have to say I enjoyed it quite a bit. To me, the negative feelings are a roller coaster. Its fun getting to experience these crafted emotions in the abstract that I can detatch from when I'm done. I think most media is pretty superficial and empty consumerism for its own sake so I liked having something that even ham-fistedly tried to be extreme. I can try and empathize but I can never really see eye to eye with the perspective that a game needs to be filled with "feel good juice" as much as it is an interesting experience.
But then again im probably some kind of psycho because I enjoyed every bit of the ultra violence and sad miserable movies are some of my favorites to watch. See: The Road.
I agree with you that more games need less feel-good endings. There do exist some like Darkest Dungeon with its hopelessness, but I feels as if this game went too far with it. I dislike the game and just wish that it get complete, but there’s many gaping plot holes and ludonarrative dissonance. I will agree with you on how the gameplay is amazing and that sad movies are always a good thing to see.
@Avernalism amen brother
@@ex_philemon Doom and Fallout are two of my favorite games, and I enjoy those about as much as I did this, and The Last of Us Part 1 was one of my favorite games of last generation. I thought this was a perfectly fine follow up. They all generate their own "fun", but for all the jokes I know this is going to get, "fun" doesnt really describe anything. Its a loose term to mean "I enjoyed this" or "I felt rewarded for overcoming the layered challenges presented" but otherwise doesnt meaningfully describe anything, so what that means to you will depend on what kind of experience is engaging to you. This was "fun" for me.
Sad stories full of drab depressed murderous and despicable characters might not be "fun" by the latter definition but it's an experience I'm interested in having nonetheless. Undergoing those emotions in a fictional landscape is like a roller coaster and I dont feel let down or like the medium is cheapened by the game saying "it was all for nothing" because those highs and lows were an experience I signed up for. I want to feel the characters emotions, and be taken somewhere else for a moment when I'm playing and this did the trick just fine for me. I dont retain anything when I turn off no matter what the ending is so I ask myself if I was entertained by my experience. TLOU2 was plenty entertaining.
When I say " I dont think a game needs to leave us feeling good" I mean to say that narrative experiences dont have to conclude with happy endings and shouldn't be shy about dark or grim feelings. I enjoy a lot of macabre, downright miserable media and I appreciate things that dont shy away from them out of fear of leaving players alienated. I can accept that I might be in a minority there but I should hope that in a field full of video games that fufil the kind of lizard brained impulse/reaction/reward field that there's at the very least room for games to attempt something different.
We're just going to have to disagree about it being "incredibly stupid" as I thin there should be as many kinds of expressions within this medium as we can get. I understand that this particular one isnt for everyone but I fear that backlashes like these might spook people in the future from attempting something that's grim and unflinching. Lots of people dont have the stomach for that for hours on end, but I do and I think the medium as a whole is better for their existence.
@@Avernalism didnt God of War 3 or Spec Ops the Line do grimm endings better?
@@ex_philemon I wasnt implying those things werent fun, as I said in my first statement, Doom and Fallout are some of my favorite games, just trying to expand the room on what I think can be. I thought TLOU2 was fun. Really not a lot else to say there.
As far as "poor success rate" yeah It kind of circles around to the idea of whether it should be tried or not based on how often its successful and I just dont think that's an interesting way to think about creative endeavors but to each their own.
7:08 technically that award goes to The Order: 1886 and, possibly, Detroit Become Human
Honestly - at this point, even if this game was literally the second coming of Christ in video game format, I would not get it.
I don't even have a console, I don't care about it, yet I see materials, articles and commercials about it everywhere. You can't escape it.
It is like the very first Assassin's Creed advertising campaign - turn on TV - Assassin's Creed; you-tube - Assassin's Creed; adverts on social media - Assassin's Creed; press - Assassin's Creed; open the fridge - Assassin's Creed... raise the damn toilet seat - Assassin's Creed.
Same shit with this game.
The promo campaign of Assassin's Creed literally made me avoid the entire series like a plague to this very day.
Eh your not missing much. there are like maybe 3 good assassins creed games but none that are great.
And what a gigantic letdown with a laughably piss-poor "plot" AC was.
@@bigkmoviesandgames Like most AAA games, they have stunningly detailed environments. It's almost worth it just to climb around on iconic historical architecture. Almost. AC's futuristic meta-plot turns me off the series, although I played a fair amount of 2 and Black Flag.
Assassin's Creed 1 it's one of the VERY few (or even the only) 7th/8th generation triple A games that had an artistic intention. That's the only good thing i can say about the franchise, even though because of some poor design choices, it easely gets extremely boring.
@@CrizzyEyes It would have been a 200% more enjoyable game if they'd just made it a historical plot rather than some sci-fi nonsense about magical sun aliens and mystical conspiracy theories.
I enjoyed the review man but I don’t think it’s fair to criticise the lack of difficulty trophies or the extensive accessibility options as they spent a long time developing those options so that disabled players could play and experience the entire game
True but it kinda makes trophies mute, since those options are basically cheat codes worth no trophy disabling.
ollehkacb I get what you mean, and as a trophy hunter myself I was kinda disappointed to see it was so easy but if that means someone else can get a fuller experience I’m not gonna be mad about it
I still feel like Abby story would’ve been better off as a sort of left behind DLC even if they released it for free but it shouldn’t be right in the middle of an important scene at most of the hospital back story scene and that’s it. Leave the rest to be played after you finish the story entirely as Eli.
Oooor, i got a better crazy idea. What if once you passed ellies story, the credirs come up, then when you go to the main menu, you unlock abby's story? Damn that would have been epic...especially if you didnt care about abby's story, you didnt have to play it if you didnt want to...but if you liked the game or wanted more? There ya go...m
Awful idea. I can tell you’re not a writer based on this comment alone. People who say the writing is bad always have 0 idea about good writing it seems, really baffling.
Jordan samuel it’s 4am so I’m definitely not in the best state of mind to be writing this but no I’m not a writer I don’t think the story is bad or good I think it’s just okay and badly paced. I actually really liked the game and found a lot of positives before it swapped over to Abby and couldn’t understand why everyone was hating on the game but first I was playing through the Abbey scenes just to get through them to get back to Ellie then by the time I saw Seattle day one I realised it was going to go through all three days again so I decided to listen to the story they were trying to tell and I ended up liking lem and the other kid I just would have preferred if they didn’t try and tell this story at the end of another. Also like the game forces you to hit the promts beating the shit out of Ellie and actually winning which is fucking depressing I hated that. I don’t want to write any more so I’m going to sleep now so bye.
The story wasnt bad, it was how mixed and confusing it was presented. Picture this, a really well joke i told you once. And the next day you tell that same joke to someone else but mixed it up, and dont give the punch line correctly. This is how this story felt. Just badly told
FrankiE Martinez And that’s what I was saying the original comment Abbys story should’ve been shoved in so seemingly awkward
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I love that the first think you think of when someone shouts Kevin is Home Alone
Yeah, at first I was also a bit dissapointed by Ellie’s actionsc especially in the last segment in the game. But then I realised something - all the trauma and the survival guilt she had endured got to her and she developed a serious case of PTSD.
do you know what PTSD actually does? if someone has PTSD they likely wouldnt be able to function in a world like this, let alone set out on a grand revenge adventure - it just wouldnt be possible for the person
It never really was about revenge for Ellie. Just a way to work out her grief and survivors guilt. Totally agree.
If you had PTSD, you would not get out of your farm house to hunt your enemy for a second time, because of fear from reliving the terror of the past.
Also, if Ellie got PTSD, then Abby should have as well. Both got their father killed unfairly, both friends are decimated, both pursued murderous revenge, and both almost died multiple times, yet one gets PTSD and the other does not.
IceFairy Fan PTSD comes in many forms and is not a given. Not everyone who's in the army gets PTSD. It differs per person
@@Sanirosan so then someday soon we can do heinous stuffs and make the excuse of it being ptsd
I guess it's for the people that want a "cinematic experience" whatever that means.
I just don't see the appeal.
Not even a good cinematic experience tbh
The first one did it better lmao
Apparently it means they want an interactive "Hostel" experience and enjoy watching human beings suffer in extremely graphic ways.
it's really an improvement! The game is filled with cinematics that you can't skip, so you need to push the stick forward!
Genius!
It's for "gamers"
I like the bleakness of the game
I don’t know what he’s talking about regarding the gameplay, this was leaps and bounds better then the first game
Maxwell Magee it made a lot of incremental improvements, but I am still disappointed with the shooting mechanics. I just don’t like the way aiming feels.
Leaps and bounds lol it’s the same gameplay slightly refined and better animations - 10/10 game of the generation
Enemies STILL don’t notice your partner in 2020 lmao 😂
@@thepeacefulchannel613 seriously tho, imagine how frustrating the game wouldve been if enemies could spot your ally
@@CaffeineAndMylanta but the point is for the aim to feel clunk it sways, it has variable accuracy depending on your movement and on top of all of that it also has recoil (i'ts deliberate in both games, and they made also made the bow weaker). If the game didn't have all of that and on top of it you had a mouse this would've turned into a point-and-click adventure game.
Eric VCOD I don’t mind the sway, the analog stick just feels off to me. Move it a little and the reticle barely moves, move it a little further and the reticle is zooming across the screen. Resident Evil still poses a challenge without feeling so wonky.
The stealth aspect is what i enjoyed the most, since i was playing on Survival difficulty i always had like 2 Bullets and one arrow. Proning is nothing new but i bought the game just for that, not even kidding. After MGSV no good games had stealth prone, and that is what i liked the most. It took me 35 hours to complete the game, and none was wasted. It was probablly more counting deaths. And yes, as someone with high depression this game made me feel miserable at the end. But that's exactly what i wanted. Oh and the gore, blood and everything else was on a whole new level. Throw a glass bottle at someone and it will pierce their skin, hit someone with a pipe or a bat, teeths go flying, shoot the lower jaw and it will break. They didn't need to change the gameplay as much as it was pretty much perfect. Dynamic combat based on where you are, stealth, chunky shooting and like HUNDREDS of little details that they put into the game even if they didn't have to shows their love for it. The writing isn't messy (there is one scene tho) and the story is not about "revenge bad lul".
While i considered Doom Eternal to be GOTY before, this and Ghost of Tsushima changed my mind, and i seriously can't decide between this two. Unless Cyberpunk will really live up to its name. I like my games fun, but i really actually like them as a piece of art too. Take the album Everywhere, At the End of Time From The Caretaker. It's a six stage album that deals with dementia. From start to progression to eventual death of a person in audio form. It's 6:30 hours long. Starts nice, but each stage gets more disturbing, at stage 4 and stage 5 it becomes so disturbing that you want to turn it off. Stage six is mostly just drone, as you can't recall a singular sound from that point on. The ending is heartbreaking however. Was it made for fun listening? No, but it was made as a piece of art and a respect letter to people who suffer from dementia. Once you go through it, you are a changed person. Sure, you will be disturbed and depressed. But you will certainly appreciate people who suffer from it more. So a game doesn't really have to be fun, it can be cinematic or both.
Just wanna clarify that a known leaker "exposed", how poeple not from ND leaked the game. They basically found in the code of earlier games how to acces ND's private servers and managed to steal a lot of files from many of their games, they held on to that for a few months until it was safe to leak it and passed it as an ex employee.
Also, great review as always.
so false flag then?
@@brodude7194 apparently so
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It could also be a corporate damage control statement.
@@sadsenmmxvi you're just going around the comments being a dickhead, aren't you? Hahahah
That event is the reason why we must avoid video game leaks as it can ruines people's anticipation of the said game and it makes creative industries never take any a risk
Gman: "She could crush my head with her thighs anyday"
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
Well we do have Xenia Onatopp for that and I’m sure she would be happy to oblige.
But but she obviously skips leg day bruh
thats a strange way to spell "DEGENERATE"
@shadowzake seems more like you're insecure about your masculinity if a women with guns is enough to be consider a man.
which is funny, because I have a hunch that you'd have the opposite problem with trans people.
so which is it?
Is Abby a man cause (you think) she looks like one?
Is Abby a woman cause she was born that way?
@shadowzake I think you're just trying to say that she's not a feminine woman. she's a manly woman.
if that's the case, no problem.
I think a big problem of the game is that because it broke the story up in two parts it didn't have enough time to flesh out the story well enough. I think if it only focused on one character it would've worked much better. I think if the story was about Ellie wanting revenge but as she hunts down the people she learns about why they killed Joel and she starts to question if revenge is even worth it. That would've worked well with the theme of revenge with this game. Theres some interesting themes and ideas but I found them to be kinda lacking and could be fleshed out more.
"Now that the dust has settled"
You're standing in the middle of a metaphorical sand storm m8
"She can crush my head with those watermelon thighs of hers any day" Best line
Psnowdog7 Really?
Terrible line
@@TheJAITKEN1 that's how Anime works
I'd rather play the 1st game in all honesty.
And that shit is overrated, gameplay wise
@@rocstarang5747 the gameplay is just good enough to get you through the story. On it's own it's very generic
@@HunterForHire422 oh I totally agree, but I rather watch a good movie at that point.
@@active-_-table6448 LMAO
@@active-_-table6448 Well whos acting like a baby now?
19:52 let me just stop you there. Are we forgetting a couple things here? 1) Cordyceps is a fungus, there is no vaccine for a fungal infection because that's not how vaccines work. 2) This is probably the biggest oversight people make. Jerry is a fucking SURGEON. When in the everliving fuck has a surgeon developed a vaccine? That takes biochemistry not anatomical knowledge. This is one of the biggest plot holes in the series. The first games ending wasn't a choice between saving ellie or curing everyone. It was about stopping a delusional surgeo who grossly overestimated his abilities from murdering a 14 year old girl. To add to that Abby still had all her friends around her. She had people who cared. Ellie, at that point in time, only had Joel. Abby is also older and after 4 years should more than come to terms with what happened. The plot is so contrived to make you hate Ellie (fucked if I can figure out why) and like Abby.
Unfortunately that's how ND interpreted their own story. He desperately wants to make the Fireflies into the good benevolent faction above all else.
Also the way they told the story has issues. (Obviously :P) So Abby has a very negative introduction. You have to use every tool in the book to redeem her and make her sympathetic. In contrast, Ellie has very positive standing with the player. Therefore you have drag her down to the mud, with everything you have. This is unfortunately the result of the "two sides of the same coin" story idea. But instead of showing Ellie as the positive person we know her as, and Abby as the aggressor, they flipped the tables. Well I guess to subvert expectations or some other bs.
Anyway, I have a bad feeling that this story is going to end with Ellie sacrificing herself for the cure in Part 3. Regardless of how far fetched asinine unbelievable unscientific and unrealistic it is. Why? Because that's what ND wants to do. The only reason he might not do it is progressive backlash over killing a strong lesbian female lead. But honestly, putting aside my own critical mind about how stupid this is, Ellie's redemption arc and world saving, sacrifice story can be actually pretty damn good.
@@LordCousland The problem I have is that the story simply doesn't work. ND tried so hard to make ellie look bad and Abby good but most honest fans saw straight through that shit. I loved playing as abby because of how fun it was. But I still threw abby off the crane at least 6 times. It was honestly insulting to fans to do that.
So not sure if that was a cutscene that I missed or what but...I just found out today after beating the game the other day...that you can do a midair kill on this video...
Well, I think buying the special edition of Red Dead Redemption 2 during the PlayStation store sale over TLOUII at full price was a smart move.
Or you could just wait tlou 2 drop for 20$ after the goty,I mean even if it looses it still overhyped by the midia and sold enough to drop prices like every other Sony game after a while I guess
I gonna do that
Rdr2 sucks
RDR2 is a 7 or 8 out of 10, just like TLOU2 is, but if you ask me, RDR2 has a worse story. It's a cliché and boring mess, whereas TLOU2 is a mess of a story with turns that you didn't expect, but hate. TLOU2 has great gameplay, RDR2 is clunky.
Matthew Weston For me, I love it. Sure it’s clunky and slow paced but it’s supposed to be a realistic western game, not a OTT one. Plus, as someone who’s a fan of the classic and modern western films, this is like a homage to them. Also, as a big fan of the original TLOU, seeing where this sequel goes with the story just breaks my heart.
@@WinstonHofler I also love RDR2 but it's definitely not worth the normal price, TLOU2 is at a pretty good price but I'd recommend people pick that up at a cheap price as well, especially with the controversies.
I don't think either games are worth a second playthrough though.
14:00 haha I was thinking the same thing when I played this game🤣
Think wat
can you please review the Half Life 2 mods Entropy : Zero and Fast Detect
there on steam
Something I noticed in my second playthrough is that Ellie and Abby have the same reaction to realizing their friend’s are pregnant. They both say to themselves after finding out, “how could you keep something like that?”
Just something I found super cool to note lol
Abby said that? I thought she said wow.... Congrats...
Wow so both Ellie and Abby are terrible people in this game? Super neat.....
after playing this ,gmanlives is gonna give spongebob rehydrated a 5/10 - too kid friendly
I myself actually consider the game to be a 5/10. It's an outdated game that they didn't even try to improve other than the graphics, which still look kinda gross looking.
@@DCGMatthew1 the devs themself said that they want to keep the game as close to the original as possible.. the game still had a large fanbase but the issue was u couldnt get it anywhere else without an emulator.. so getting this on a new hardware in a fresh coat of paint is always a good thing in my book..
@@DCGMatthew1 It is a remake, not a sequel.
@KeoneArt I mean, I don't understand how someone can say TLOU2 is below a 5 just because there's a few bad parts of the story, but say SpongeBob HAS to be rated an 8. I get SpongeBob isn't exactly a story game, but it should be fun, it just isn't very fun though, nothing was improved, they actually broke it more, you can beat the game as soon as you can use fast travel, I swear they didn't do any playtesting. The game was definitely great when it came out, I was one of the people who thought that, I have all the SpongeBob games, but this remaster is terrible.
@@thesynthscreamcollective That's not an excuse to release the game without fixing anything. People complain whenever any other remaster doesn't fix and improve things, I'm not gonna let SpongeBob get away with it either. I'm holding it to the standard of every other remaster.
Great to have such a detailed take on the game without Sony embargo. Thanks! Though you really overdid it with the comedic clips
Hey gman! Check out the game Control, you might like the shooting experience in that
The problem with Abby's physique is that it's literally one of a bodybuilder, not someone that performs taxing physical activities, like say a soldier, firefighter or construction worker, but instead someone that spends extensive time and resources, with a highly regulated diet, to pump themselves up, especially the arms. It's the result of deliberate, artificial influence, not environmental and occupational consequence.
I mean, she'd basically hog important and limited energy, food and time just to get excercise and proteins for herself alone, resources that would be more useful elsewhere, especially in a post-apoc environment.
She spent 5 years building her body and she lost a relationship with Owen because of her determination to become strong enough to kill Joel.
This is the dumbest fucking take. She's built like a truck because she takes an active role in scouting for resources and in defending the colony. It's not a misappropriation of resources if they're being used in the defense of the group. As we see throughout the game, different Wolves have different jobs. Sure, she probably needs to eat more calories to support her training regimen, but someone whose job is is to do laundry all day, or cook food, or inventory weapons, or sign out vehicles and equipment -- those people probably need fewer calories to survive each day. As such, food distribution would probably even out.
Y'all will seriously look for any excuse to hate Abby.
@@jopabr24 So where does she get all of her steroids, supplements and the time to train at least 6 times a week? And not only that but it needs to be a VERY specific training and a VERY specific diet! I highly doubt that these things are possible in a post apocalyptic world filled with zombies :)
Did all of you people complaining about this not see the fucking rows and rows of gym equipment back at the WLF city? If you want to get buff, and you have gym equipment and food, you’ll figure out a way. What a stupid thing to complain about. It’s not like she’s got round bulging biceps like a bodybuilder that would make you think of steroids.
@@LP-rm6ek You must be trolling? Abby is literally the body of dude with the head of a female. To get this buff she needs way more than gym equipment and food. Abby is based on a real life she hulk but here's the twist she trains 6 times a week (in a very specific way), takes steroids and hormones and eats a lot (more than there would be available in a post apocalyptic world) of very specific food!
"I'm too happy. I want to go alone to an empty movie theater playing arthouse films in which all protagonists receive prolonged torture and fail to accomplish any of their goals. Also I need this to occur for, like, 25 straight hours."
- TLOU2 fans, I guess?
This is truly the experience we require in 2020. Something we can all unite behind with a message of hope.
The last of us 2 defenders are as pretentious as the rick Morty fanbase now, “you need to have a high IQ” excuse won’t work here, just makes you look more dense
@@asscheeks3212 Nah they are as crazy as the people attacking the game. On one side you got people trying to convince you that it's great storytelling even when you disagree and on the other side is a bunch of people trying to prove that Naughty Dog is the SJW king of Satan and sending death threats to people because of some video game. It's pretty sad.
Generic white kid the second gee another white kid believing criticisms are also another “anti SJW” conspiracy, not surprising there... yeah no, many members of the LGBTQ hated this game too, most people who hated this game don’t even think Abby is trans, just an unrealistic representation of muscular women like Barbie on skinny women. Everyone hates SJWs, even left wingers and communists as they give them a bad name, they do exist and we can NOT pretend Neil Drunkman isn’t one after 70%, yes SEVENTY FRICKING PERCENT, of the Naughty dog staff left after uncharted 4, that is just WAY to convenient. Just a former leftist here.
Saddy Boy 2016 franchises shouldn’t even provoke thoughts of politics period, that matter that it does speaks volumes about the writer and their ego
Game stores have begun refusing to let people return this game. Keep that in mind when some checkmark on twitter says “heh, gamers and their boycott failed, TLOU2 sold amazingly!”
Also, what boycott? There was never any boycott, they made that up.
Here in Germany the game is still Nr. 1 on Amazon, but go on an believe the lies. Do you have proof for your claims?
Edit: Amazon Italy Nr. 1, Amazon France Nr.2, Amazon UK Nr. 3, Amazon US Nr 1.
Yeah, noone is buying it.
The people who defended this game on Twitter are going to ironically fall victim to cancel culture.
GOTY
What? People have been trashing this game before it even came out. People still continue to do so without playing it.
This is incredibly fake news, dude. ONE store in Australia paused ALL game trade-ins due to COVID increases in that area. Nothing to do with the game.
The main issue I draw from the story is how they ordered the events. They should have waited for Abby to get character development before the player was forced to become her. As the only real interaction the player gets is her beating Joel to death with a golf club before having to play her is just that, a villainous action. Due to this, Abby is a villain in the player’s eyes, it would have been much better to have the stories play in parallel before cumulating in Joel’s death so that the player can see Abby for who she is before a bias sets in for killing a beloved character. It’s like if someone killed someone you love, you don’t care about their backstory, you only want them dead. Learning about the backstory first would have been so much better.
The event are perfectly placed for what Druckman wanted to achieve
Use a loved character of 7 years standing have him brutally killed by a new character this illicits hate exactly what Druckman wants you to feel
at mid point just when the players thinks vengeance will be served by the other loved character of 7 years standing you drop the bomb
The player is FORCED to play as Abby who they hate to preach a trite message that people are people and they have reasons loves and hates
Abbys perspective is understandable because its just human nature nothing deep or meaningful here
Then you are FORCED to fight Ellie as Abby and so on and so on
Ending is meant so Abby makes you feel the same as you do for Joel and Ellie you dont want anyone else to die because you feel empathy for both sides
The destruction of 2 of the most iconic video game characters ever written only works IF you can have any empathy with Abby and Druckman cannot grasp how so many people like me cannot
If Druckman did as you suggested the impacts would be lost and 50% of the fan base would still not be onboard he went all in knowing this would cripple the franchise in popularity and profitability but hey its "art" right lol the characters dont matter the message does
what's the name of that song at 12:56 of the flamethrower bit?