Why I STOPPED HATING Last Of Us 2, & Think It MIGHT BE a MASTERPIECE
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2020
- I HATED The Last Of Us Part II. Then I thought about it. Now I LOVE THE LAST OF US PART II. THIS IS WHY.
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The show is amazing so far. I hope it fixes some of the things I didn’t like about this game and doesn’t require someone to go into a deep analysis for everyone to understand
part ll is still aids.
I think you stopped hating it because maybe you hit your fucking head really hard. This is a shit game. Shame on anyone who defends it.
@@pablieto-veganson kkkkkkk i agree
@@darkthelonious neil cuckman was held in check by other lead executives in producing the first game. the second part he really got to flip off the fans who had the "wrong" conclusion in the first game and actually sided with joel. who saved his new surogate daughter. the character who spits on joel after they murdered him, even looks like neil cuckman. so i think it's no coincidence. also the roided up tranny in the apocolypse. where'd she get the steroids from?
When I finished the game, what really hit me hard was that Ellie couldn't picture Joel in a positive memory until the very end of the game. After she had already lost everything. It was so heartbreaking.
What about the flashbacks in between the game
@@NareinM The one flashback got me when Joel finally told Ellie he stopped the doctors from killing her and she realized she was the cure but it also kill her. Hard to take in.
I wish she was bad ass like that the whole time she felt like the real Ellie when she feed that dude to the infected
So masterfully done!
@@phillyscorpio3804 I hope this issarcasm
i can never stop thinking about how abby doesnt know ellies name, she only ever refers to ellie as 'you'
Yeah, and Ellie doesn't even know joel killed her father.
I think there's actually a scene where she says her name in a fight between them
They barely knew each other at all and had encounter each other 3 times 😧
My guess is Abby and ellie will meet again and become friends in part 3 and understand each other.
In the theater when Abby tells Ellie to stand up Tommy says "Don't do it Ellie" so I'm sure Abby heard him say her name.
That final scene between Joel and Ellie makes me sob every time. Their interaction is bursting with emotion though they say so little
Troy’s lip quiver in that scene broke me. It sounds kind of silly but I have a newfound appreciation for how much one can act through just the face.
(Troy Baker is the actor who played Joel fwiw)
I love Pedro and all but he has nothing on Troy's voice acting as Joel. I'm sad that we may never see him do the role again.
This came up on my feed and that end scene is still the only form of media that's made me cry
That scene got me as well in my first playthrough. Bravo Naughty Dog!
The story really covers the five stages of grief. Denial being the first part of the game where she’s telling him to get up, Anger goes through most of the game which is the reason she’s hunting for abby, bargaining is the revenge, she feels if she gets revenge she will feel better. Depression is all in the farm section of the game. And finally, when she’s about to kill abby she goes through the final stage, acceptance. As the video says she realises revenge won’t change anything and she finally lets her go.
You could also argue that the whole franchise is a parallel to the 5 stages of grief, the hopes of a vaccine getting back to the old world is denial, the 2nd game can represent anger and bargaining, and the 3rd game could possibly tackle depression and then acceptance, finding peace with a world that is now chaos.
I would say in your theory attempting to kill Abby was Ellie’s way to bargain for the fact she hurt Joel
Yes, and something else. It’s genuinely just about perspective. The game wants you to hate Abby so when you find out why she killed joel, you feel guilty for hating her. The reason it’s hated is because you need to be mature enough to understand it and smart enough, both of which gamers are typically not lmao. You need to be capable of empathy. The game is trying to tell you that there is no such thing as a protagonist and an antagonist, just normal people who make bad decisions no matter how vile and disgusting and repulsive they are. Naughty Dog does not want you to like the game, it is a mirror of life. It’s to show you that revenge is a vicious cycle and the only way to end it is to forgive. Life is not all sunshine and rainbows and The Last Of Us Part II does that exactly that. Games are designed to be a form of escapism, to help players escape the troubles of life by entering another one that’s typically considered better, TLOU 2 defies that and therefore defies what a game is. You expect escapism and instead you are slapped in the face and forced into reality, and that is beautiful and amazing to do. It was perfect. This is what makes The Last Of Us Part II (in my opinion) the only true next gen game in the past decade.
@@tylersaurus4702you’d also have to see characters in the game as real people and not care about someone you do as a real person
If they developed Abby more maybe I’d feel sympathy
@@Aryan-qv5qk By developing abby more, what do you mean? I think for what the game is they did that because i personally empathised with her and i actually like her character. I enjoy to play as her and I frequently replay just her section of the game skipping the other chapters, what made you unable to sympathise with her?
"I'm scared of ending up alone." - Ellie
Right? At the end of the game I just wish I could give her a hug. She was so broken our Ellie. I thought of this line so much, her fear became true. I was happy by the end of the game that she didnt kill Abby. By the end I was just like, "Ellie please stop this". When she gets her knife and points at Lev, my immediate reaction was "Ellie please dont do this, you will destroy yourself". I cried :-(. What a brilliant game.
I wonder if she remembers that line at the end.
damn self fulfilling prophecies!
"I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. But I would like to try."
That line, alone, is the essence of the entire game. To try in an unforgiving world that has already given up.
Glad you changed your mind about it. I'd say it's a great game that after a month since I finished it, I still think about the games implications.
2nd play through drove this home hard for me. It’s not even about saying revenge is bad as a message at all. It’s about trying. Simply trying. Ellie at the end isn’t completely fixed or saved or freed from pain, she is accepting the truth and trying....
It's truly nice seeing discussion for this game is still hot. I end up checking on this game every now and then ever since I beat the game. That's how impactful this game is. You're pretty spot on in this video, and noticed many similarities to your thoughts on this game and Neil's and Halley's input in the interviews. It really took rock bottom for Ellie to "bottom out", Halley's term, and snap out of her obsession with Abby and pain, trauma, and stolen opportunity she deals with
yes! I cried immensely at this part, as I had a similar situation with my dad, he passed away before we could have a startover in our dysfunctional relationship, and there will never be another chance
I can't read this sentence without tears
I fucking broke down when she said that bro
The first game is a story about regaining humanity. The second game is a story about the complexity that comes with that humanity. The good and the bad. That’s the simplest way I can explain it, but the characters and performances are so layered that I could go on for hours.
This is quite possibly the best summary of TLOU I’ve heard in my life. I agree completely
What complexity. Both Ellie and Abbie just try to kill everyone, without at remorse. I don’t care if they were vengeful, they killed so many people that had nothing to do with it, and then in the end: Flashback - Joel - Good. The game literally murders Joel bc they say he was a murderer and calls him bad for that, but Then in the end they try to say he was a man of mercy. And then Abby literally does so many things that Joel did too, and she’s good. That does not seem like that well explored of a humanity
@@GPlaysCustodioI'm pretty impressed how face first into the point you ran and still missed it
I remember going through this game and being so mad and depressed. Then, I got to last conversation between Joel and Ellie and immediately burst into tears because it reminded me of a conversation I had with my therapist. Forgiveness is a decision you have to make every minute of your life despite what you’ve been through or you’ll end up how Ellie was for most of this game (vengeful and losing more than she had to). I wish more people realized that message when the game was released, but I’m glad the TLOU community is finally circling back to it. ❤
right on.
That last conversation reminded me of the confrontation i had with my father after he left my mom…
I was filled with plenty of hate after Abby killed Joel. Played through Ellie for about 15 hours and then...had to restart as abby?! I was not happy, but took a couple days off and then went back into it. Kept thinking about how sadistic it was to make the gamer play as someone who I've been wanting to kill the past 15 hours of gameplay. But the more I played, the more I realized that Abby is just another person in this fucked up world. Joel and Ellie are fucked up too. We always judge others by their actions, but judge ourselves by our own intentions. The more I played through Abby, getting closer to the faceoff with Ellie, I didn't want either of them to die, but to reason it out with each other and...maybe become friends? The final scene made me break down entirely, when Ellie saw Joel with the guitar and let go of Abby. Ugly crying. I haven't cried like that in I don't know how long. Triggered me with memories of being wronged and bullied and, in that instance, made me let go of pretty much all the vengeful hate that I've been carrying all my life. Made me want to be a better person. I can see the criticism of the game to an extent, but the hate is not warranted. It's a great game.
@@Gautamiyer2 we are truly ruled by our own trauma, but to overcome it is to show redemption. Joel and Abby both escaped the trauma, now Ellie has to.
@@Gautamiyer2 People that loved the game are the ones that deserve to be trusted. I would never trust someone who hates it, bc those are ruled by selfishness and anger
That avatar parallelism is insane. I never thought of that.
Agree
My mind was absolutely blown
Thats somewhat ironic
I noticed it when Korra was added to Netflix recently and a lot of UA-camrs were shocked at the complaints. It feels good to have more people defending Korra and sequels similar to it like TLOU2.
@5555Thecrow
As if an avatar parallelism justifys bashing Joel skull in, letting us play with the killer for 10 hours and even wanting us to sympathize with her.
Oh am I just focusing on the wrong aspects? That would basically mean, it's my fault for not blocking out every negative point of the game, not the Devs fault...
“There is no difficulty setting in the game, or in real life, to make forgiving someone easier” - gf reviews.
Psuedo-wisdom everybody
you can find similar quotes on tumblr lmao
"There are no meatballs next to the spaghetti in the Italian restaurant downtown." -videogamedunkey
Monolito Got the quote wrong but yeah...and
People in comments section who can’t face truth,shit on truth. (Proverb)
I'm one of the few that loved it from day 1. Because I could see that the message was more than just "Revenge Bad". It's a story about what it means to be human. It's a story about how hard it can be to forgive, but how important it is to learn how. I couldn't have been happier.
The thing I always found hilarious, was how blinded everybody was when this game released. When they were all failing to see the bigger picture just like Ellie, just like you said. It's great to see someone go from hating this game to loving it, and you've given me a little more hope for the future fans of this franchise haha.
I totally agree. This is only the game I think abt on a daily basis. Truly is the best game I’ve played
Literally every “revenge bad” story is that exact thing, forgiveness.
I understand, but for ellie to not kill abby at the very end? bullcrap, Its like if John Wick went on a killing spree and decided not to kill Iosef Tarasov or Vigo at the end because he feels sorry them, "Revenge Bad" is a good point if only ellie chose not to kill abby when she loss jesse, but no, they have to make her go and kill abby again only to lose everything at the end without killing abby. its bullcrap, just pull the trigger.
I don’t think there were a few of us, I just think the people that didn’t like it were a lot louder. I just played the game and enjoyed it, I didn’t go online to talk about it, but the people that hated it had more of a reason to constantly talk about it.
This video is brilliant man, it’s shocking how many people who hate on the game have never even played it. Emotions are a powerful thing and when we’re so angry we tend to ignore anything positive about something, and the fact that people got so angry shows how great a character Joel was.
there is 2 reaction good and bad for a story when the fan base is angry at a charachter inside a story its good BUT if the fanbase is angry at the writers them selfs then its trash
@@spikspak2889 You can be angry at the writers all you want, doesn't make the game bad. It's all subjective. Nothing is capable of making the game "bad" except general consensus and the general consensus is definitely that the game is good. The people who are upset are just the loudest, and they couldn't handle their emotions so they lash out at the only people they can; the writers.
I absolutely loved it. Its a really grey ending, not a back and white one. It leaves you thinking a lot. I understood what Ellie felt at the end but i guess one people can't empathize
Why do you care about other people just enjoy the game... lol. People hating on it is cringe and people who defend this like its goty are cringe too.
At first I used to hate on the game my 2nd play through I saw later that they did try to do something different instead of generic, in return they still kinda did but ellies choice at the end made you question her entire journey which i still don’t like much if I’m honest
I literally have spent hours and hours reading articles, watching reviews, analysis, etc. from many different sources... Now, it's been over a month and I can't stop thinking about the game, and no game had made me feel this way before. So I tried to understand it, now I think I got the point... So, thank you!
Same
So it’s the first disappointing game you played then?
ikr, probably my favorite game of all time, i do like rdr2, GOW, they were both a masterpiece, no doubt but it just never felt the same way dude...
I have the same experience. months passed now and I very often find myself coming to check some videos on youtube with new analises. I love this game so much. Played 4 times already, got all trophies and still have the desire to go back to it. I am actually now playing the witcher 3 to get the trophy, but very often I just wanna pop the disc of the last of us part II back in and play it again
Same. I'll admit, I loved it. Every bit of it. Even the very hard parts of it.
But like you, it's almost always on my mind. That's some powerful shit at work there.
Never hated part II, in fact I loved every minute of it. I loved both Joel and Ellie, but I understood that Joel’s actions cost him. And I understood Ellie’s motivations. And I even liked Abby. Why did I like the person who killed Joel? Because she found something other than merciless killing of scars because of Yara and Lev. Two kids of the faction she was fighting helped her see a greater purpose. And she even turned on Isaac and the WLF to protect the kids.
The ending in my mind was perfect. Ellie found humanity at the time she needed to the most. I applaud Naughty Dog because they had the biggest balls in the industry to do a story like this. Yes the story wasn’t perfect but damn if it overall didn’t have an impact
Great points.
1. Naughty dog have big balls
2. I love abby too
3. Am I the only one who was happy for abby finding the fireflies? Who knows part 3 her and lev find them and join them.
4. I think abby is hot 😍
Umar Hussain nigga u weird u like muscular bitches
@@G_Fendi you're weird, you like calling women bitches.
I’m the same way I love this game so much and I believe the ending is perfect. I heard one person say “tlou ended hopeful but with misery beneath the surface and tlou2 ended with misery but hopeful underneath” and I love that.
It's good that she turned on Isaac since he was going to kill every Scar, good or bad on the island. The WLF group are no better than the Scars
You know what? After watching this and really thinking and seeing things in a different light I can actually see the genius in the storyline now. Just like you were at one point, I've been hating on this story HEAVY but I legitimately love the intricacies and details of everything and the way you explained it, even through the editing was perfect. Wish I could've understood this sooner so I didn't waste my time trashing it. Thank you for this video man.
It didn't change for me. Pacing and subvertion for the sake subvertion are horrible in this game.
@@brucedao2360 I can understand disliking some of the pacing or the gameplay switch, but the stories told themselves I have no issues with.
Welcome to this side man. You should play it again with all this in mind. Its fucking incredible.
this is so wholesome :)
The game plays with emotions that are so core to who you are and how you see the world, that I don't think it's bad that you hated the game for so long. The game's story asks the players to confront a part of their emotions that are honestly difficult to deal with even in a therapy setting. But it's... beautiful in a way. The game put you through things you didn't want to go through. That I didn't want to go through. And how dare those people put us through that? We'll never forgive them for making us experience that, for ruining what we loved so much.
You have felt that hate, now you can choose to forgive, just like Ellie. You honestly have probably had a more profound experience with this game than someone who loved it right away.
How can a game that does that to you not be a masterpiece?
That aang and ellie comparison and the way you edited that went HARRRDDD, loved it so much. I love this game too much, it really has touched a lot of people deeply. Such a powerful story
"Revenge is bad" is such a superficial, one-dimensional reading of this story. It's kind of assumed that you know it's bad. That's there, but it's not the point. It's about finding closure, learning how to end the destructive perpetuation of the cycle of violence due to tribalism and the refusal to forgive or to let go of past wrongs, facing the consequences of your destructive actions, learning to empathize with the pain of others and recognizing common humanity, how healing for yourself can come from caring for others. I absolutely missed stuff because this story and the characters are so layered. It's not a pleasant experience, so I get not liking it, and I agree that it could have been paced better and probably trimmed down in length, but this is a powerful experience, and one whose messages are incredibly relevant to "current year." You don't have to like or agree with everyone, but you should be able to come away from this saying "I don't agree, but I understand you. I see you and recognize our shared humanity, even with of all of your ugly hate, pain and suffering."
I agree, that is what it SHOULD be about, but naughty dog went about it terribly. They made Ellie just think of Joel all of a sudden and stop her violent actions? Wouldn’t it have been so much better if at the end of the game Lev stayed on the pole, was awake, and was able to see Abby and Ellie fight. Then while Ellie was drowning Abby, Ellie would look over to Lev screaming and crying out to stop. And then Ellie would make a parallels to her own situation with Joel dying and realize, that it is pointless. The ending that Naughty Dog chose was objectively just poorly executed and dumb. It’s almost as if the writers made it seem like we need to find some profundity amoung the mess of an ending they made; like we are psychic and can ascertain how she developed to get to spare Abby. I got that ending from “barnyard” by the way, a kids movie has a better revenge plot than a triple A video game.
@@mazokuwolf1279 so my interpretation of that was at that moment when she had Abby drowning in the water, that if she went through with that action, she knew it wouldn’t bring happiness to her. I’ve been in a situation where I’ve thought about doing something to someone but when I finally had the opportunity, I couldn’t do it. I hope that makes sense. On a side note, this is my opinion. It’s a work of fiction so I get why some people took it your way for sure.
@@EJD339 Yeah but that makes no sense. Why couldn’t she think about that will she was letting hoards of clickers on hundreds of rattlers? Yet she has a marvellous revelation that, “revenge won’t make me a better person” RIGHT at the end? I don’t think it’s wise to just go with that. For a story to work, character motivations need to be developed or explained.Without that understanding, we cannot understand their intention or motives.
Too bad the sentiment you describe is lost on everyone that defends and praises this game.
But admittedly also the people who are hating on it.
So I guess the message didn't stick.
Sad how because this game has become a sort of front line for the culture war, we can't have a true productive discussion about it as just a game and just the game, it has to devolve into right and wrong and it has to either be utter trash or a masterpiece.
It can't just be a game some people liked and others were dissapointed by.
If you liked it you must be a woketard.
If you disliked it you must be an ist and phobe and a haterz.
Fuck this culture war I hate it, it ruins productive discussion a out gaming.
Because narrativelt and gameplay wise there is a lot to unpack and discuss here, but it's not happening because muh culture warz. Gaaawd!
The game is trash
"Ellie saved him. And now Joel saved her even from beyond the grave." That's pretty much it.
Ellie saved him more than once.
Lmao the most stupid thing ever.
After she murdered her way across the USA.
@@randomgod6371 what about your grammar?
@@lookatmyright What about yours, Maulana?
Never hated Part II. I'm starting to see more people change their minds over time.
A lot of misinformation was spread because of the leaks, the sjw and woke bs which just wasn't in the game, that made peoples mind up already. Also it was popular to hate on the game. I wasn't a fan of the story but its still a good game that's for sure.
Same, I see lots of people that liked it, now hate it.
@@jackreeves7 saaame, not a bad game but neither that masterpiece some say it Is
OMG THANK YOU! If you just sit back and think about the game you realize that its such a masterpiece of storytelling and gameplay, and im so happy more people are realizing this and realizing that Naughty Dog made the perfect sequel. Also love the Avatar comparison, I never thought about that but it is very similar.
I totally agree with you when reading reviews I genuinely did not understand why people thought it was bad it was baffling
Your caption on Joel's last scene with Ellie was spot on. I teared up when I read a review pointing out "she would be lucky to have you" is so much more than just a nice wish for the couple. It implies deeply how Joel views Ellie, that she deserves to be loved as anyone and does not need to die to "pay" for all the losses in her life and have a meaningful life, which is in stark contrast with what Ellie believes her life should mean. That's when I realized how hard the journey must be for Ellie to eventually accept Joel's view and actions. You are exactly right this game isn't about "revenge bad". It's a brutally honest reflection of two incredibly powerful and complex humans coming to terms with their own trauma and grow to be better. It does not shy away from the brutal mistakes they made along the way and forces players to participate that mistake and pain. It is perhaps too honest for some, but I hope eventually people mellow out and see perspectives as well as you do. Thanks for the video.
Got this game the day it was released, completed it within two days, now it’s been a month still can’t stop thinking about it. No any other movies nor games had ever made me feel the way I feel about this game, the emotional experience through out the story from both part 1+2 was like riding a roller coaster. A masterpiece indeed!
Me too! Well, no. There was another game that made me think about it for whole months, actually for 7 years. Then again, it was The Last Of Us.
Same
Me too
ABSOLUTELY AGREE 💯
Took me a week because I wanted to make it last, I would literally do anything for a part 3 rn
You basically explained what I and many others felt playing the game first time around. I never cared what the haters believed, they clearly didn't understand the characters. Very well spoken/written, fantastic analysis.
Yeah, I loved the part where Abby the hulk smashes through the story and says she was happy to kill a pregnant women, and feels no remorse for her actions. It’s just so cool 🥰
Ehh they're not completely off base. The first trailer showing Joel as the one to grab Ellie and switched it with Jess it's completely false advertising. I'm not completely against previous characters being wrote off but between that and restarting as Abby when things go down at the theater is a real hot mess in story telling. Great game in theory and but poorly executed and false narrative is hard to come back from.
@SavVvy-y did you not notice how the game shows how good abby is and how evil ellie is? and who tf sends a pregnant woman goes out to the field IN A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE...does she not care for her child???
@SavVvy-y yeah but i was mostly just adding on the pregnant lady in the field part
lots of people actually understands the characters. they just hated the fact that IT HAD TO FUCKING TRANSITION SO FAST. TLOU is a journey game and doing such a thing is the dumbest and wildest thing one can do when it comes to ADVENTURE games.
It is a masterpiece in my eyes. I love it so much, arguably more than the first game. Its so beautiful and emotional and just human.
I completely agree.
It's a trainwreck in my eyes, it's dark, bleak and poorly written, the pacing of the game is just awful.
@@tomfoolery7797 ok tom
@@big-boss-man- that's right big man. 😂
@@tomfoolery7797 hi tom
I feel like in the epilogue, Ellie feels like she may have lost a part of Joel, in a way, since she can't play guitar properly with missing fingers. I think that definitely also made her start thinking about revenge (which seems to be some people's only takeaway from this??), mourning, and the cycle of trauma. So it's not just "revenge bad" because she's alone and now can't play guitar (and thus has lost a connection to Joel), it's also about the cycle of trauma, reevaluating self worth, and letting yourself experience grief. A lot of people hated this game because, just like Ellie, they didn't allow themselves to mourn. The player is experiencing *exactly* what Ellie was feeling, and the longer you let it sit, the more your feelings align with hers at the end of the game.
This comment right here, thank you, its everything thats in my heart about this game, and i couldnt put it to words, not even to my self, thank you
@Mitchell King Good for you lmao?? They fucked up with the story in general imo, obviously.
@@tywinlannister2137 :^D
@@rubyrudd1502 Couldn't have said it better. After beating the game first time I had a lot of negative emotions that I needed to let out, it's what was stopping me from playing the game again. It was not until I allowed myself to mourn Joel's death and accept reality I was able to play the game again with an open mind.
The portion with her unable to play the guitar was more about irony than anything. The guitar represented her favored connection/memory of Joel. Her journey for revenge cost her that connection/memory. But what’s crazy is maybe it made her realize she didn’t need the guitar, because Joel would be with her always.
I'm 38 years old. the first time I watched the ending I cried, like, tears flowed down my cheeks. watching this again in this video I cried like a 2 year old, i mean bawled. really I bawled.
and it felt really good. thank you naughty dog and thank you for bringing out the light in this game in such an educational way
WTF
i cried at the end as well. i knew dina was gonna be gone :/
Everything I held during the game broke down at "but I'd like to try". The feels man...
bro no fricking way you have to be like 19 or 20 something
I'm 38 too and I agree. It felt damn good to cry and actually feel a cathartic release. It's been years since I cried over any media. That's why I just cant stop playing through this game. It just keeps getting better and the layers of understanding deepen each time. Cant wait for DLC and or factions
I know how extremely late to the party I am but, I loved it. I finished both within 3 weeks and I loved it. Knowing more is in the works, it’s gory yet pure. I love the message in both. You’re willing to give the world for the ones you love even if others are hurt or even die in the process. Love makes you stupid.
When you lose that love in whatever form it comes anger can be the fuel to the fire.
You will do stupid shit for revenge but when it comes to it, you’re lucky to have had that love at all in this fucked up world.
If you love something let it go, the best thing you can do is lead your life with the love you had as a core memory.
Forgiveness may not be the cure for anger but if you can move on, you’ll be stronger than before.
I love it.
Maybe i read to much into it loving art like I do.
But none the less that was my take away
I played this game in a two day binge with like 4 hours of sleep in between (I died a lot, had food/ bathroom breaks and was pretty high) and loved this game for all of these reasons after getting back to the home screen. My partner watched me play and we had HEAVY discussions about all of the layers to the story and I cried enough for us both lol
Literally a breath of fresh air amongst a sea of spores. Thanks
lol appreciate it!
No, this is more like a fart in a smoke filled diner.
I'm sorry that many people criticize the game you like for having obvious problems. That doesn't make them "spores".
@@loubloom1941 Why do people hate it when they hate the things they like but when it's something they hate it's okay
@@loubloom1941 Oh look, another butthurt player complaining that there are people that likes the game he hated. GTFO, dude. Go watching one of the many vídeos having this game, like Angry Joe's or something. Boo hoo.
Stinky
We were all too caught up in our grief and anger to realize what this game was trying to do. The world of The Last of Us is about more than just Joel and Ellie. By experiencing Abby's point of view and seeing the parallels with Ellie's motivations, the message is so much deeper than "revenge is bad".
The message is that we are all the same.
We're all just trying to survive and hold on to the people we love. There is no "us vs them", there is just "us".
The last of us.
So this excuses horribly written characters, manipulative tactics by the developers, and a horrible slow pace. I'm sorry but this little message you've come up with sounds like a bunch of pretentious garbage. I'm glad you've justified this game to yourself, but as someone who plans to write and get into storytelling, this game is written like shit. It's horribly fucking slow, with segments that drag on longer then the intro of this video. Disgusting tactics by the developers to push they're disgusting agenda. Oh how bold, "there is no us vs them, there is just us". Wow I guess if you're a freshman in highschool that's really original and interesting, but if you've digested any media whether it's movies or videogames, then you know it's a fucking tired cliche. Don't get me started on the "characters", they're all one dimensional with laughable motivations. The only interesting storyline is Ellie and Joel, and they throw that shit out the window faster then Henry punching out his clock. You remember Manny, that awesome character that wasn't just a racist stereotype that screamed spanish obscenities. Oh also don't know if you knew but Naughty Dog has a disgusting work environment, they crunch they're employees into working ridiculous hours, all so they can animate Owen railing Abby in 60 fps.
@@rocioquiroz11 I thought the game runs at 30fps
@@rocioquiroz11 Funniest shit I've seen all week, thanks for the laugh my man
@Rocio Quiroz still in the grief if stage I see
I think joels death was the best part of the game, it wasnt cliche and it fits the world perfectly. You get to feel what ellie feels, that sadness of him leaving without a goodbye
Underrated comment..
Agreed
Hopefully we get an extended look at their last moments or something in part 3
A lot of the negative feedback is coming from people who couldn’t deal with the loss of the character. Regardless of if it was anger, hate, confusion or anything else, the story made them feel something and that is really rare for art/media nowadays.
I agree totally.
So good. I can't take people seriously who say they hate it. I feel like it's either 1) they never actually played it (atleast to the end) or 2) they seriously lack emotional maturity and reflection
Everyone who doesn't have my opinion is either 1) Uninformed 2) An idiot. Nice opinion. And terrible game :)
Or they just were heartbroken over Joel. Think it’s crass to belittle people who were attached, much like I was, to the character. He was my favorite video game protagonist and I couldn’t get on board with the story my first playthrough. After just beating the PS5 remake, the story finally clicked for me and I see this game for the masterpiece it is now.
Yeah, that's why I was so disappointed to see that penguinz0, one of my favorite youtubers hated it even IF I kind of expected him to hate it since he seemed like that kind of guy
Or maybe the writing is just bad and you lack the emotional maturity to understand and fathom that there are people have played this game and still find it horrible.
I mean this game is heavily reliant on coincidences, characters making out of character decisions, untraditional writing done wrong, horrible pacing and ofc, my favorite, the manipulative tactics.
But y'all aren't ready for that conversation.
the world of the last of us isn't ours to mold, we are here to experience it.
Someone said it. I really needed to hear this people piss and moan about satisfaction but that isn’t the story this is supposed to develop ellie and put her through pain. This game is amazing
@@YourMom-fm1qo its absolutely amazing how much happens - I was kept guessing and suprised way more than when I played the first one and dear GOD THE GRAPHICS they're beautiful
XTREMEKILLERMAN 7 ... It’s not ours to mold, but a good story would a been great ... Not this cluster effin mess....
@@ryanhageali weirdly accurate.
Exactly. As cosmonaut said “we as players have become too addicted to the idea that our choices are the ones that matter.”
Honestly, this game is human. And that is why I love it so much. They are all deeply flawed, and don't know how to see things from other perspectives than their own. Ellie and Abby, Abby and the Seraphites, The WLF and Jackson and the Seraphites are one and the same. Exactly like Ellie and Abbie. Flawed answers to what happens when we lose everything.
This game fucking broke me.
Agreed hard
this game broke me too. I praise neil and naughty dog for this amazing game
Couldn’t have said it better
It broke me too. From the parallels between the zebra and the giraffe. Abbys aquarium moments with Owen and playing nerf archery, her journey with sev across the bridge. I feel more for abby somehow. I feel she was the real hero after everything. I understand why she killed joel. It was her father after all he killed and a cure for humanity. Abbys relationship with Owen crushed me. I felt bad for mel too because I think she knew she was always going to be second best to Owen and Ultima alone to raise a child that never came. Then there's manny, nora, yara. Oh yara....😢
the hate for the game is human too, which is why i can totally understand it. but it is just the first step. We all HATED aspects of the game because it is human to do so. but it is also human to go beyond that and try to understand and forgive and make peace with what is. that is progress. the game FORCES you to do that to truly understand it. it challenges your humanity in the best way.
God I really loved your last point about part 2, that the people hating so adamantly on the game were literally being just like Ellie. It was like everyone became children who got upset, deciding "I don't like it" then stubbornly refuses to see any reason. I think those people shouting so loudly set so many people up to hate it bcs it made them go in Expecting they would and when you do that it gets a lot harder to enjoy anything
Dude I still come back to this video years later. It’s so well done. The power of critical thought is wild.
Appreciate you!
Just watch, in the next year or two there will be a wave of videos like this. "Why I was WRONG about The Last Of Us 2"
Year or two? It’s happening now.
Llama Llama no it’s not? Unless you mean people that faked hating it for the purpose of making that video. People genuinely dislike the game. Accept it and move on.
Frankie Pollock nope. Accept that most people that say they don’t like the game didn’t play it or are just trolls. Accept it and move on.
Llama Llama that’s false. How about streamers? They played it and disliked and haven’t changed their opinion. As have I. The same can be said for blind fanboys who are yet to play it. This game ain’t getting that and if it does it’s literally gonna be like 10 people doing it for clicks. The game isn’t loved by most. Accept this and move on. The games mediocre. Mediocre game stories don’t turn good from time 🙂
Also. Show the data that most are trolls or people who haven’t played it ;).
There’s data showing bot accounts posting positive reviews for the game so guess u don’t know about that little detail.....
God, this game is more fun to debate about than play and most of the time it’s just people throwing around inaccurate statements with fuck all to back it up but act like it’s fact
@Frankie Pollock “mediocre games don’t turn good from time.” Silent Hill 2 would like to have a word with you. (And I guess cult classics just aren’t a thing either)
When a loved one dies, whether it be a fictional or a real character/person, people will go through this thing called 5 stages of grief. In the first few days when the game dropped, people are struggling to cope with Joel's death(Denial, Anger, Bargainning, Depressed). But as time goes on, people would start to accept the fact that Joel is no longer with us and just move on with life.
At least that's how I see it.
Didn't care for Joel and I still hated this pile of shit.
Those who hated the game the most, hated it before it were released because of perceived feminism and wokeness. None of that were present in the game, but the very notion of a game not being centred around men.
@@SummerOfMayhem 100% Every alternative plot they think "shoudl've" happened that I've seen recenters the plot around Joel and Tommy. Every single one.
@@SummerOfMayhem
Two pregnant women in the front lines.
A trangender kid that killed his mother because she was transphobic and didn't accept that her daughter wanted to a boy.
A buff girl, that people accuse players of being toxic for not liking her.
There was a lot of it this game.
@@trevorphilips9065 I doubt that lmfao, you literally play Joel for 90% of the game in The Last Of Us 1 so how could you hate him.
I’m all for a Last Of Us Part 3. I feel like Ellie’s story still has more room for development. And let’s be real here, there is definitely gonna be more Joel flashbacks in Part 3 and maybe Part 4 if that game happens as well.
yeah absolutely. Plus she gotta fix that relationship with Dina
yeah ellie’s story definitely has one more arc i think, pt4 is unlikely unless it’s a spinoff following other stories.
No no, just end it please.
nahh we don't need part 3 lmao. what we need is the prequel... story of Joel Tommy and Tess
Part 3 yes, no part 4. It needs to wrap up in 3 acts
the slight detail around 22:05 when she says “but” (after Joel’s heart was just crushed after being told she doesn’t think she can ever forgive him), and Joel’s eyes immediately dart over at the prospect of anything to grasp onto. 😵💫
Something you could find curious.
Joel did horrible things. He then restored his humanity when he met Ellie.
Abby did horrible things. She then restored her humanity when she helped Lev (and Yara).
Now she is the Joel of the situation.
Ironic uh? Abby became the person that she hated the most and ruined her life. :)
Il love these parallelism.
I was focusing that more for ellie's arc, that how she is becoming the person she hates(abby) but i totally forgot or didnt just noticed that for abby too.. guess i have to play the game once again. Its complex af.
I think Ellie also realized that just as Joel protected her, Abby was doing the same to Lev, I think Ellie didn't kill Abby for that.
Joel also did horrible things to save Ellie, so overall he probably did more horrible things than good, but does not change, that his death was a poorly written chain of coincidences.
How did Abby restore her own humanity with helping Lev and Yara? She betrayed her group and even killed them without even a second thought, it is even worse than what Joel did.
@@Priestofgoddess thats actually something i adore about tlou2, the writers made abby as a deeply flawed charchter, usually, when presenting two sides of a war, storytellers usually present the villians as "messiha". But in this game abby did horrible things in her past, but she wants to redeem herself now.
Priestofgoddess part of it was actually her realizing her group was just as bad as the scars, that she was one of the most active members of her group, and that despite her allegiance to them they were willing to kill her to kill a child
"If I ever were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself". Ellie never finishes the song when she sang it throughout the game. This proofs that she wasn't able to accept the truth (forgive) and not that only she lost Joel, she also lost herself (revenge). But after she's able to forgive, she also let go of the revenge.
No, no that doesn't make sense...You can't forgive someone through someone else like that. That's like Luke forgiving Darth Vader for Obi-wan lying about his dad. Hence he forgives Obi-wan and let's go of his resentment. Or, you know, how Ben forgave himself for killing his dad by seeing his the memory of Han...
I wouldn't say she forgave because she never can forgive Joel now that he is gone. She just accepts that Joel is dead and must live with regret.
@@Jetblast01 Right.
@@Jetblast01 She felt victimized because Joel was taken away from her, but she remembered that all of this weighs so heavily on her because she couldn't forgive. Letting everything go is her redemption and her way to find inner peace, she has realized that she is no longer the victim, the monster she fears the most is inside her, not inside Abby. If a Player can find peace only by seeing the "antagonist" dead regardless of everything then there is something wrong with the media we play. Abby's story arc is literally Ellie's cautionary tale. You hate Abby, because you are like her, your hate won't stop until you'll see your "antagonist" dead, just to realize that it wasn't worth it. And if you think it was worth it, then I'm sorry, but you don't truly care about yourself, and THIS wouldn't make sense.
@@GabrieleTarallo That's still dumb...this isn't a world or setting such pretentious thinking would work. See why Joel killed Marlene in the end of the last game...Abby is a straight up piece of shit that deserved to die for reasons besides killing Joel. She's literally no different from the NPCs you killed in the first game, the kind that are all "buddy buddy" with each other (until they died) but will brutally kill just about anyone and anything else (unless you have plot armor). All they did was give Abby plot armor so she couldn't do nor kill Ellie in return. And given your logic, guess Jesse could just go eat shit...since he didn't matter to Ellie. And it also makes Ellie a selfish bitch since this game it's all about HER and how SHE feels which isn't how she was in the original.
If you pay close enough attention (which a lot of people tend not to do when they’re emotional) Joel asks who they are, and they say “guess” and Joel realizes in his face that they’re fireflies, and then he accepts it.
I was spoiled by the leaks, and not enthusiastic about playing it. Then my friend Gameshared, and by the end I was completely blown away and exhausted. A masterpiece.
good to hear that you didnt got stuck on the spoilers like so many did
I didn’t think of it as a masterpiece but a 8/10 props to naughty dog
@@astronomical3342 8/10 is still damn fucking good considering that 10/10 is an impossable ideal to sugest 8/10 is avrage to good sugests just how haded the games media has made us in regards to this
"When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light"
You sir has done did found the light!
Right! Very impressed with this dude. Now of only the jokers of UA-cam trying to jump on a hate bandwagon gave it the perspective it deserves. This game was absolutely a masterpiece and I don't see how this isn't the best sequel we've ever seen! I didn't want a last of us 2 but if there is one company to trust to pull it off it's naughty dog so I'll give them their dues for a part 3 because they have more than earned it
Tell me, what is this "Light" your talking about? expand it pls.
@Chris Grant gameplay really hasnt changed?? Are you sure?? The A.I is almost the best in the industry, levels are freaking massive, gunplay is almost naughty dog's best. the story is "identity crisis" which has never happened to me in any other game/movie. So idk "how" its mediocre. If its your opinion, its okay, but dont try to turn it into a "fact".
@Chris Grant Go back and play the original. Trust me, its VERY dated. I still love the original game, but the sequel surpasses it on EVERY level. From graphics to AI, from the sound design to the acting, and the story and characters. The writing is amazing, but is it a story for everyone? Probably not. Personally I LOVE dark character pieces, so this game was PERFECT in terms of what I was hoping to get from a sequel.. But I think some people were hoping for a Hollywood styled action adventure game with Joel again.. I knew I wasn't getting that from the announcement trailer.. But I can understand people disappointed they got something different.
@Chris Grant how was it contrived? Also Charles Bronson had one good movie The Dirty Dozen. Otherwise Bronson films are objectively terrible lil
The game is good because its not generic, if your hoping for a happy tale and ending then don't play it, it's good because it's heartbreaking to see Ellie go from a happy go lucky kid to destroyed and completely broken, it was never meant to be a happy story for Ellie and it leaves you feeling broken because the ellie everyone loved in the first game is gone and that is why it's a tragic masterpiece 👌
That jump scare at the end
That was unappreciated and I think I’m gonna go on a revenge journey
The firefly quote sums up both games. "When you're lost in the darkness look for the light". The first game is about the LIGHT in the darkness - optimism, innocence, friendship, and hope in a brutal and dark world, and the ending, despite it's darkness is about love. Tlou 2 is about being lost in that darkness. Losing purpose and filling that void with resentment, sufferring, hatred, and death. Only at the end, do the characters start to see the light again. Abby rekindles her belief in the fireflys, and Ellie forgives Joel, making peace with his memory.
This is one of the more nuanced pieces of visual media I've ever experienced. I'm very happy it exists in spite of the hate.
it’s an incredible game . i wish people didn’t give it so much hate
I understood this perspective my first go around so its nice to see someone else was able to emerge from the hate and see how deep and powerful of an experience naughtydog crafted with the sequel. I can only hope all the hate does not cause them to compromise their vision because of emotionally immature people who couldn’t understand and actively looked for reasons to hate it.
Those emotionally immature people still bought and played the whole game. Naughty dog wins 😂
bro the parallel between this game and the Last Airbender that you edited was amazing. this whole video was fantastic and I think slowly, a lot of people will come to appreciate and understand this game after the blind hate like you did.
Nathan Zed your video and this video are the first videos I’m going to send my friends once they finish the game. Y’all both really helped me understand what I could feel playing the game but couldn’t put into words.
@TheUltimateGamer245 they told the same story but you have bias against this game and towards atla so i wouldnt expect you to even try to understand
Holy crap. That parallel between one of my favourite cartoons ever and videogames ever just made me tear up a bit. I'd not seen that coming, but it hits the nail on the head and goes to complement just how incredible both series are!
@TheUltimateGamer245 Basically, you didn't come here to have a conversation. You came here to reinforce on what your already firmly believe about the game, despite the video clearly viewing the game in a positive light.
TheUltimateGamer245 lol no
I really like when people realize how incredible game this is.
I never hated the game, I always loved it.
I plan on getting a ps4 to play the last of us 2 for Christmas
@@domgriffith6483 please
Man i already love how this game ages, I mean just type the last of us 2 in the search bar put it for more recent it is a masterpiece i hated it now i love it blah blah blah, 3 years from now, ppl are just gonna buy into sony consoles just for playing the second part, just like I bought a console to play the first, God knows i didn't regret it
Finally someone who actually understands the game and doesn't go "Joel died, shit game" respect +
@@PrestxnGG ehh it was just an initial shockwave thing, i mean joel's death really was shit but that doesn't kill the whole game, it is still great, and with time as it ages, it just becomes better
It’s so refreshing to see people peering below the surface of this game. So many saw the leaks and just judged right away without even experiencing the story, and others (like you initially), did play it but didn’t take the time to think deeply about it. I love hearing different takes on the meaning behind it. I think it goes far beyond “revenge bad” or “the cycle of violence.” It takes you on a journey of Grief, acceptance and forgiveness not only about Joel’s death, but about his lie from part 1. Ellie spends the entirety of the game coming to terms with both of these things and learns to forgive Joel for what he did, and Abby as well. She finally understands that maybe her purpose wasn’t to die for the cure, and there might be another “something to fight for” out there. It’s the most meaningful, heartbreaking, and guttural journey a game or even movie has even taken me on. Of course the player was intensely hurt and angered by Joel’s death. If you weren’t, it shows you didn’t connect to part 1. I think many were just so hurt that they failed to see beyond that, and merely scratched the surface of the games meaning.
Real art strikes your heart every time you come back to it at different stages of your life.
I loved it from the get go, I got to play it without knowing the spoilers. It took me about 3 weeks to beat it. I didn't want to rush through it. When it gave control over to Abby, I didn't play it for 5 days, super mad and was just like nope. I went back and pushed on, doing the motions and at some point I emphasized with Abby. The rest of the game was torture for me. I still give it a 9/10.
After playing and I finally got to go online and read reviews, watch videos, I was so shocked to see all of the hate. I didn't understand it. I watched several hate video breakdowns - I could see their point, but it wasn't enough to change my mind. Got to watch several love video breakdowns and usually, they pin pointed my emotional roller coaster with the game.
In the end, I am glad I found a video where someone let go of the hate and got to really feel what they experienced. Thank you for making this vid.
My brother practically ruined it for me when he was saying that the game was getting shit on. And so I rushed through the game more than anything just to finish it to see how it ended. But I still loved the game too for every second I played it. The game was suck on my head for so many weeks day and night. Watching videos of it and seeing who loved it and who hated it.
lol, you forgive the horrible writing. Like, the cheap attempts at making you sympathize with Abby, or the lol open door get shot/ambushed and killed that happened twice in the game, when in gameplay, you get really careful around corners and don't just ramp through doors like its nothing. That's what everyone who liked the game says: "Look at how interesting this revenge story is and how significant it is to learn to forgive" , or " look how ellie and abby are doing the same thing that will hurt everyone around them" etc. When the rest of us are like "no way joel just gives his name easily", "why does ellie suck so hard at interrogating?", "Why is Tommy an asshole right now, when he used to be the pacifict in the last game?" "Why does Jesse get killed like that?".
You guys just wanted to not feel like you lost something playing this game, so instead focused on the most basic of storytelling. the moral of the story. and completely disregard how the story was told, its pacing, etc. in the end, you forgave the writers for trying to tell you a basic moral of a story about revenge badly.
I find it weird that most people who like the game thinks that everyone who didn't like it chose to dislike it over leaks and others disapproval of the game. I have a few friends (pretty all of them that played the game) who had the same experience as you but all ended up not liking the game at all for mostly different reasons but mostly it came down to the game being ridiculously boring or the story being shit.
Just because Anthem, Fallout 76, The Culling, or TLOU2 has a fanbase and swears it's a fun game and "a masterpiece" doesn't mean that they are right. It's just their opinion and that's fine.
@@mmmk6322 I dont agree. I also loved the game. Just to clarify, I love miserrable depressing shit.
"no way joel just gives his name easily" - Why wouldnt he? 4 years in Jackson has made him more trusting. Thei policy seem to be taking in people rather then staying away. He is not the same jaded guy from the Boston QZ.
why does ellie suck so hard at interrogating?" - She does? She is obviously emotinably unstable and compropmosed becuse of that but didnt get the feeling she sucked at interogating.
Why is Tommy an asshole right now, when he used to be the pacifict in the last game?" - I found him very likable throughout the whole game until the end scene with him. Getting his brother killed brought back and old version of himself but at the end when he is being a dick to Ellie I straight away though of as a personallity change caused by severe head trauma (why he is also on a break with Maria, he is agressive and revenge focused now).
"Why does Jesse get killed like that?" Hehe I didnt like that either but hey, tha happens, added to the realism although i would have liked to see him survive.
I also thought Abb's point of view did its job. I didnt like her but I understood her. I also thought they made a good job making some of the other characters in the WLF sympathetic, especially Manny.
I'm right there with you at first I was making Abby just get killed over and over and finally just bit the bullet and started playing for real. Once you just let it go and lean into the fantastic gameplay you cant help but start to like Abby. Say what you want about her but you cant deny she is a certified bad ass. She hits like a tank and her weapons are so cool. Her and Lev are adorable and that fight with the Rat king? Only Abby could have done that lol
This game is perfection I don’t know how anyone could ever hate it
u're dumb
The comparison between avatar and tlou is just genious
Me after seeing Joel's death: I don't know if I could ever forgive you for that...
Naughty dog: ...
Me: But I'd like to try.
yup
Not everyone has the ability to forgive.
I'd like that.
I’m still fucken pissed off! On my second play through btw. With unlimited ammo someone’s gonna need a lot of body bags this time around naughty dog!
@@anessamer Everyone has the ability to forgive.
Honestly the hatred towards this game is being taken way too far y'all need to let it go
No ppl waited 7 years for a bad game
fangirl frisky hope ya make peace with it eventually 🤷🏻♀️✌️
@@fangirlfrisky man its just the story which took a different turn and that makes it a bad game??
@@fangirlfrisky Damn, it's almost like you didn't watch the video at all.
@@fangirlfrisky and where lied to and misled right upto the leaks happening
people lowkey hate this game because it was a video game that broke the nostalgia train and killed a fan favorite character for the greater story
Just like the first game, the more I consider the themes and details of the storytelling, the game just gets better and better. I realized during this video that both Joel’s and Ellie’s interrogation scenes end with a metal pipe bludgeoning. I liked your point that Ellie tries to honor Joel by becoming him, I hadn’t considered that. The number of parallels and nods to the original game is so insane I’m always shocked when people say that the writers threw away the world they built in the first game lol.
I feel the same. I'm still thinking about it. Most games don't do that to me.
They didn’t “throw it away.” They destroy everything about the first game you love and then slap you in the face with it
STOP trying to put in shit that isn't in the game TO MAKE IT BETTER! The game is a plot-hole drivel mess. Characters are wasted and are hard to relate to. Fuck this game
MaybeNextTime what if I told you that the point of playing as Abby isn’t necessarily so that you will end up liking her. In fact, the whole point is that you see her as a monster because she is who Ellie is becoming. Abby is what you get when Ellie has a “successful” revenge. Even after Abby successfully kills Joel (Ellie’s Abby) Abby is still not fulfilled. You can see this because she continues to have nightmares about her father. It’s only after a profound act of selflessness (Lev arc) that Abby could have hope of restoring her humanity. If Ellie had killed Abby, then Ellie would have totally lost herself, never found forgiveness, and by extension never have truly honored Joel because all Joel wanted was forgiveness, and for ellie to be her fulfilled, happy self. You can say you didn’t like the story, but saying that the story is not thought out because your man crush died is, like, objectively... just wrong lmao
Dani M stop clutching straws man. The game is definitely trying to get the player to empathize with Abby. By the end, Ellie is clearly the more terrible person than Abby, at least that’s what the game wants you think. The story is not thought out because the whole plot relies on major conveniences and unbelievable choices made by out of character people. We all saw Joel’s death coming, but the way it was executed and all the retcons going it’s a pretty petty fucking way to kill off a beloved character.
It was only once I realized that this game was about forgiveness, and not revenge, that I started to appreciate it. And now it's one of my all time favorite games.
fr, in south america we have a show where a character says something about revenge, it's very annoying when people always repeat what the character said when they talk about tlou 2
I realized this is the story they are telling now and believe what an awesome story of redemption.
yall got a towel or anything
i just need some simple T o w e l s and ill be on my way
It was basically a domino effect with Joel’s action at the hospital. From there it was a
Constant war of seeking revenge until Abby decided not to kill Ellie & Dina… then Ellie deciding not to kill Abby & Lev.
I used to hate this game I played a couple of hours and put it down never picked it up again until I replayed part 1 and decided to play part 2 maybe 2 weeks ago and it ended up becoming one of my favorite games it's perfect and shows just how brutal of a world could come to fruition because of a massive catastrophe but in the simplest terms this game was an amazing story even with all of the brutal moments of loss
I’ve lost someone like a year ago. I feel like I have a lot of unresolved things that will never have answers, even if I want to. So, I think this game wanted to tell a story not just about revenge but also about loss and guilt. And how we deal with the fact we loved someone so much and now they’re gone. And there’s nothing that we can possibly do to make things right. That feeling of emptiness is poisoning. And it’s something Ellie couldn’t replace, not even with Dina or a child.
I don't think it would be good for Ellie to die in a sequel, because I feel like a lot of her journey is to accept that she doesn't have to die for her life to have meaning.
Ya I would HOPE they’d let her give her immunity to the world and then live and see the effects of it and be happy w Dina or something but I could see them tearing our heart out again lol... but in this game she does say she hopes to live old like Eugene did so maybe that’s a hint
Given the entire basis for why Joel became the enemy in the first place a move like that would make it all ironically 'for nothing'
@@CELLY96 She's had a death wish ever since Riley died ("I'm still waiting for my turn") and sacrificing herself for the cure would very much resolve that, but like everything else in this series, it's all motivated by grief and trauma rather than altruism (not that Ellie isn't a nice person in general, but that's not why she wants to sacrifice herself). When she decides to try to forgive Joel in this game, that means she necessarily has to confront the idea that maybe he saved her for a good reason. Maybe she really can move on from her desire to be a martyr and live like a normal person. And yes, considering she says she wants to grow old, I think that's a big hint. Chronologically, she says that the day after she decides to try to forgive Joel, so I think it keans she is trying to understand his perspective (that she just deserves to live, period). When she leaves behind her obsession with Joel at the end, I think she's also leaving behind the idea that she has to die for her life to matter, since that is all wrapped up in her angst over him and what he did, taking her chance to die away from her. EDIT: Or at least she is beginning to leave it behind. It's not like you can just turn these things off all at once. But she is accepting that just MAYBE she can have an actual life.
@@Wveth That's such a good perspective! I love it.
lol shes not gonna die cause neil wont kill her.
“Revenge is bad” is a surface level reading about what the game is about. It’s about the ends people will go to in order to achieve closure on the traumas in their lives, even if it means subjecting others to immense emotional trauma and the circular manner in which trauma is perpetuated.
Its also about forgiveness and moving on. Basically, the game is about the Human Nature and the negative and positive aspects of it.
Damn...
footferry1589 yep
Revenge is bad is a surface level reading of the criticism of this game
Crazy Cletus sales doesn’t equal the game being good and did you see that sales dropped by 80% in the second week. Just because a game is hyped up doesn’t mean we equate the sales to quality because than anthem would be goat because of its high sales
I think the reason people didn't like the game at first is because they didn't understand that the game isn't about revenge, it's about forgiveness.
Most people who hated this game never played it. I know this because I was one of them. I just dismissed it as terrible because the sheer amount of hate content it was generating. When I got my hands on it my mind was actually blown. Throughout the whole game I was emotionally attached to every character on Abby's and Ellie's side. The game has an amazing ability to make you feel for even the side characters, whether that be hate or likeness. And the end actually emotionally destroyed me. I hadn't been this distraught from a video game since red dead redemption 2. And that is the biggest compliment you could give a story game.
I played the game and I still think it's bad. Now what?
@@darthrevan454 I said most. You can still think that it's bad as an opinion and that's a valid opinion because the game had some recognizable flaws. But I still loved it.
@@DanteMayCry-qv5kf Thing is you saying most is an assumption. That's the issue. Even if it were true, people can still criticize the game without playing it. Otherwise what's the point of watching walkthroughs if not to experience the game without buying it. (Besides just enjoying the UA-camr themselves)
@@DanteMayCry-qv5kf Now I can understand if you meant people that never experienced the game in any shape or form. But again, you don't know that unless that person said it themselves.
@darthrevan454 people can not criticize a game fairly before playing it period. Because if they watch playthroughs of other people or just playthroughs of the game, they are forming their opinion based on someone else's experience and not theirs. Idc how story based the game is, it can be a telltale game for all I care and I'd still say the same thing. You must experience the game for yourself before you can make a judgement on it. Video games are not like movies or music where everybody's experience with that media is the same. Every single person's experience with the same video game will be different in at least one way. And until you experience that for yourself your criticism is invalid.
This is the kind of mature, insightful commentary sorely lacking in this era of fan entitlement. You’ve not only done your research, you’ve brought meaningful comparisons to other popular franchises like Avatar and Star Wars. Bless you for this.
K but they ruined star wars and I genuinely feel like Joel could have been in at least one more game it I wasn’t ready to move past his story
@@filletmignon5221 he is 60 something in the second game, wtf do you mean? how many people do you know that can do the things that Joel needed to do in order to make a game out of it?
I think this game was supposed to really SHOW you how destructive and harmful blind rage and anger can be. You go on this killing journey along side Ellie for revenge at first but when you calm down a bit you're supposed to look back and see the horrific deeds you've done. But boy oh boy SO MANY people didn't look back and were angry that Ellie didn't kill Abby and didn't "get the job done".
To be fair.
Abby is a bitch.
Because the story is poor and unrealistic.
@@That-Will-Do-It very real, like abby unrealistic body even bigger than many mens in a post apocaliptic world without roids or what about cordyceps not be possible to cure because the thing is a fungus not a virus, or joel being a "precaution guy" since the outbreak and suddenly without a proper context (not with those silly notes excusing things like trades with unknow people in a fucked post apocaliptic world). And what is for jerry? The guy literally saves a zebra to make the player feel empatize with abby, too conveniently way to do it. Or maybe putting abby character above everyone in the story for pushing a new polític character.
@@randomgod6371 1) Abby's body is not unrealistic; in game you see the huge, professional-standard gym that they have in the WLF stadium. You also see a field full of cows (good protein) to allow her to gain muscle mass.
2) You say that it's unrealistic that they were talking about a cure, but if you take issue with that, you take issue with the ending of the first game - the climax of tlou1 revolved around the morals of Joel stopping this cure to happen.
3) Joel is cautious. He tries to think of other ways to get out of going with Abby, but decides it's his best chance to get away from the massive horde + blizzard that their horses can't handle.
4) The zebra is to show Jerry's qualities as a doctor - he wants to save things. He wants to save the world from this virus. On top of that, it's a nod to the giraffe moment in the first game - it shows the player that Abby had her own "last of us 1", where she survived the apocalypse with her own father figure.
5) Wtf are you talking about? What is a "politic character"?
Actually, the game was about the by product of revenge and violence. Not the characters and player in no way felt remorse or emotion killing the characters at all which is why many felt disappointed that Ellie basically didn't finish it off.
Great work on this, thanks for sharing your insights & helping folks grow along with you
People that hate this game fit two categories
1: They expect all humans to make rational decisions and have stable emotions
2: They expect real life to always go their way. They want the heroes to win, or for everybody's deaths to be wrapped up in a neat bow.
Sometimes friends catch stray rounds. They won't always have time to give a nice speech before they die. Sometimes friends make crazy decisions.
Everyone who hated the game for reasons other than maybe just not enjoying the story or gameplay are obviously immature to see this. What makes me laugh is they still fucking played it all 😂
And then there's a third category who enjoy well paced narratives.
Or a fourth category of peeps who prefer likeable characters.
Or the fifth category that like when a story doesn't contain plot holes.
I don't like the game but comments like this just come from a petty place which is just a mixture of butthurt and immaturity.
@@acehood9953 Objectively speaking, what plot holes are you even talking about? The only butthurt people are the ones that review bombed the game before any gameplay was even out.
The thing is that truly believe that ellie had somewhat of a good ending theres a letter you find at the farm when you are with Dina and the baby. It's Jesse's parents saying that ellie and dina will always have a place in Jackson if they choose to come back home. And if you notice when ellie goes to santa barbara she was not wearing dina's bracelet but when she returns from santa barbara the camera zooms in on her fingers wich look almost completely healed we were focused on the fingers missing but looked completely passed the fact that now she is wearing the bracelet indicating that she has already been to Jackson and is living with Dina she just went back to the farm for the guitar but decided to leave it That represents her finally being able to accept Joel's death and bring an end to the cycle of revenge
If you also notice when she enters the house she doesn't seem surprised that its empty and she doesn't call out dina's name, she doesent have her guns on her and she is wearing new clothes.
Thats not a happy ending
Why is all her stuff in the old house tho? Even her gee-tar
And you can't see if she's wearing the bracelet or not when she leaves the farm because she's wearing Joels jacket.
@@JimmyCrackCorn72 But when she goes into the farm house she has it on.
@@aztro_no She knows she cannot play her guitar anymore, and also she just wants to leave all her stuff behind and start a new life thereafter
I love that so many people are finally coming around.
Right?, i think it shows how desperate hate sometimes drive our actions and blur our minds.
First of all, no...they aren’t.
Secondly, hate had nothing to do with it. Ellie was gay in the DLC (6 YEARS AGO) and it got great reviews. I loved it.
The story is bad. It is convoluted, hypocritical and has the dialogue of mediocre CW series.
The “Verified Purchase” reviews on Amazon continue to decline...
So many people are just apologists for deceptive marketing by massive corporations...because they drape it in tokenist fake “inclusion”...
Sorry, when we get angry at billion dollar companies who lie in their marketing and abuse their developers and DMCA...it is not hate. It is righteous outrage.
The corporate apologists are the real problem.
These are the same type of people who pissed and moaned about Silent Hill 3 and Primal because, OMG, the protagonist was a girl! Just a bunch of ball-less crybabies.
BC shut the fuck up all ready clown
@FreeЯadikal you are just a fake corporate apologist. Ellie was the protagonist and gay in the first game DLC...SIX YEARS AGO.
I am so tired of fake pro-corporate hacks like you who know jack shit about the game coming on to defend abuse of developers, abuse of DMCA and misleading marketing by billion dollar corporations. You don’t care about “inclusion” at all.
The trailers (that everyone loved) showed Ellie as gay and the protagonist YEARS AGO!
I don’t think you played either game. Get back onto Twitter where you belong with the rest of the “fake woke” corporate types...
I wasn't sure where you were going at first, but in the end, man. You honestly made me see this game in a whole new light and gave me new appreciation for a game I already loved.
this is such a great video, love the growth and honesty here. you give me hope that maybe some more people could come around. i really like your style too, the editing is fun and witty and very uniquely yours. awesome video all around. subscribed!
In The Last of Us (3)The Final Choice: Ellie learns how to play the guitar left-handed😎 and finds a vaccine for COVID-19.
That was my idea
It’s epic too because it reflects real life. No real bad or good sides. Just people fighting for what they believe in. Loves that it makes us focus more on the reasons for human behavior, justified and unjustified, instead of looking at it as sports teams to cheer on for. RIP Joel
Joel’s not dead, this cluster fucking game doesn’t exist ...Ellie was just having a bad dream ...
Jaden LaFrance .... Not in my world, deleted ...
God I’m so happy people are starting to see the greatness and powerfulness this game has… like wow. Thanks for the video! There hasn’t been a single day I haven’t thought of this game.
And now that we have the show, I’m enjoying every second of it and rewatching many TLOU moments and videos.
Are you enjoying the show??
I’m loving the show!
A beautifully edited video. Bravo!
Wow someone who actually seriously analyzed the game! Hah great video
Wow guys, if you don’t like TLOU2 you just didn’t analyze it
TheBeaverInHD he’s not saying that. He’s saying it for the people who literally talk shit and say the game was complete trash or are sending death threats to actors and writers of the game just because the game didn’t go their way or they refused to see why the writers did what they did.
@Dodger Yeah I’m not defending death threats or them hating on Ashley Johnson or Laura Bailey. It was simply a joke dude calm yourself
@@callmepsycho3132
It what way was that a joke? It seemed more like sarcasm.
And why do they need to calm down? They didn't insult you, they never insinuated you thought or agreed with those things. He specifically says " He's saying it for the people who..".
The best written stories are the ones that make you feel conflicted
In inspiring and gripping ways, yes, and not ONLY. This game merely inspired me to go back to the first part.
Yes, but not applicable to this story.
@@13Psycho13 false. what's "flaws" do you see in the story?
@@testing_something The dumb choices by the characters to further the plot is not great writing. This game gets too much hate but at the same time I laugh at people saying the story was a masterpiece cuz it was too forced and had too many flaws.
@@user-sp4sp2qd6p the fact that you can't even say what are the "flaws".
You just said it's "bad writing"
Sometimes horrific violence isn’t about hate, it’s about loving too much 😭
Great video man. Your final conclusion is how I felt from the get go, but I understand why you felt how you did initially. There's so much more to the message than just "revenge bad".
This game is so meta. It's teaching me in real life how to slowly forgive ND for making it.
Forgiveness is not easy. Trust me
😂😂😂
Oh no not killing dogs in a video game lol
@Ivan Teoh Shen Yue bro that's the entire point. if you notice ellie, as you progress through the game as her, u can quite literally see her go down a dark path. in the beginning, she notices her surroundings, and make comments on stuff you pick up. but as the game goes on, she stops talking to dina (very noticeable in the pride bookstore) and she stops noticing the world around her. she tunnel visions into killing abby (sorry if i used the phrase incorrectly, english isnt my first language). and when she had the chance to go get tommy as opposed to abby at the aquarium, she goes after abby. all this points to how she is getting worse as she kills more and more people. she had mental breakdowns after killing and torturing those people. i think it would be unfair to the makers of this game to say that killing those people had no effect on her after they put all that effort into showing that it is.
Vinay Naidu ok
When Ellie went to Santa Barbara she didn’t have Dinas bracelet. When she returns to the farm she has dinas bracelet on so I think she just returning to the farm to remember Joel for the last time and she actually just chillin in Jackson with the others.
I didn't catch that, so do you think Dina & JJ are waiting for her back in Jackson?
Jetravard I think she visiting from Jackson so yea
It could also mean she has the bracelet to remember Dinna... just like Joel had the watch to remember his daughter and like Ellie had the toy to remember Sam. She lost Dinna because of revenge. She could have the bracelet in her backpack or pockets.
@@DeLeo_77 it's in her bag i think cuz she ellie was trapped the rope thing she was hung up so it would have fallen in her pockets but i still hope that dina and jj is in jackson I want ellie is with dina and jj
I like my ending more because it’s not as sad lol
Beautiful video, I’m finally playing it for the first time, I’ll admit I was discouraged to play it because I knew how the story would turn out, but I also realized that I really missed out on the true message of saving Ellie, playing it now, I see it all and wow, what a hell of a game.
I adore the editing in this video. 💖 Excellent work!
Why did you do this intro? I cried so hard. It hurts. I love this game but man did that hurt.
we need that second video boss
I loved your take on this video
@5555Thecrow he literally linked his stream in the description of the video in which he played the game for the first time and in it the guy clearly hated the ending and overall the entirety of the game.
I'm working on an analysis video myself, anyway I can run some ideas by you two guys? Only asking because of both of your videos are amazing
Loved the story. The ending was so tragic. It was a little illogical at times, with Ellie breaking Abby out of being essentially crucified only to fight her 5 minutes later in a fist fight, but it made sense in a way because Ellie was, at that point, driven nearly insane by grief. She also lost 2 fingers in her preferred fret hand for playing guitar, which meant all the guitar learning from Joel was ruined. She will have to switch hands and relearn everything. It was really sad seeing her take that L.
It's logical in a way. Ellie clearly decided to spare Abby the moment she saw her in that awful condition, because she has a good heart (was shown during both games). She was about to jump into her boat and only when she had a brief PTSD flash of Joel lying dead, her anger told her she had to complete the job. But when she had another quick flash of her last moments with Joel, is when she decided to try to forgive both Joel and Abby.
I'm sure that had she encountered a full strength Abby, things would've been different. Killing the shell of a woman she found crucified wouldn't have given her any peace and would've made it worse, as she shows remorse several times. Like when she tortured Nora, killed Mel and her baby and even after she brutally killed David. She is just not a cold blood killer.
I love the light that you brought to my mind,but a part of me will always wish the game went differently, but I guess a lot of us did in the end anyway.I won't completely Except the game But I will try to View it in a better light than I once did.
"The game and the painful journey is not to tell you that revenge is bad. Every single thing that happens in this game is for Ellie's recovery from the effects of Joel's decision and lie at the end of Last of Us 1." Deep applause, man. You got it! Thanks too for helping me realize how so many people could hate this. It's certainly a bleak and depressing tale, and I can see now how it feels like everyone is getting shit on and there's no point.
Holy shit this is dumbest thing I've ever read.
@@neku2741 why?
@@neku2741 ?? WAT, explain??
@@StyLe_Chien Recovery from a lie? Joel saves her physically and mentally. Joel tells Ellie that other people are immune too and the firefly couldn't find the cure.
He essentially tell Ellie that she wasn't special and she doesn't have to carry the weight of the world on her shoulder. She could just live her life, find a new reason to live like he did.
Imagine a 14 years old and being told that you are the last hope of humanity, the sacrificial lamb to save humanity. What mental toll would that have on a person.
I thought we as human already evolve pass the barbaric ritual of human sacrifice, but I guess we're not.
The whole game chastises you for playing it. Sorry but you obviously missed the point of the first 2 games. Abby didn't even bother to hear Joel out, she just clubs him and done. She never heard the fact that her dad was the one who threatened Joel first. Joel made the correct decision. The first game shows that the Firefly's were less than honorable, even Tommy admits this and left them. They attack safe zone in a effort to "free" the people as they claim, with ZERO regards to anything. They wanted to KILL JOEL right off the bat and didn't even want to bother honoring the deal in the first place.
Then we get to Joel's decision. He made the correct decision. They were going to butcher a child in a effort to MAYBE make a cure for the Fungus. Never mind the fact that in the real world today with sterile labs and equipment, tons of scientists and experts and perfectly operational labs haven't been able to create even 1 vaccine for fungus EVER. Don't give me the "well it's a game, not the real world" excuse since the game uses a real life fungus and is based upon reality to some extent. So what makes you think that the Firefly's could do it with a run down lab, no experts but 1 apparently,little equipment. It's not possible, it's just not. Plus even if they did, how are they going to create enough for the rest of the world and then distribute it with all that dismantled? Who says they wouldn't just use that cure in order to get their demands met? They certainly would since throughout the game they proved that they are less than noble.
I'm so glad other people see the same story that I'm seeing. The Last of Us Part II is a game about grief and forgiveness disguised as a revenge plot. Never does it preach to you about revenge being bad. In a lot of ways it's exactly the story we expected -- Ellie finds out about Joel's lie and the truth about the fireflies, and their relationship deteriorates as a result. We knew this would happen based on the ending of the first game. We're left with the question of whether Ellie can ever come to peace with what Joel did and forgive him, and the game answers that. The twist is simply that this comes postmortem. Joel is dead by the time Ellie realizes she fully forgives him, but that just makes it so much more emotionally potent.
At the end of the day, a huge part of the reason Ellie has the self-destructive tenacity that she does (symbolized by her moth tattoo by the way) is that she holds onto an ocean of grief that she was never given the opportunity to deal with. She told Joel that she *wanted* to try to forgive him, but he was killed the next day. The opportunity to heal herself and her relationship with Joel was stolen from her, but when she realized the Abby she wanted to kill was already dead, she was left with the realization that all the things holding her back from moving on were either arbitrary or gone. She could no longer see Abby as the devil she thought she was, and even more importantly she realized that she had already forgiven Joel somewhere along the way. Their story ended in tragedy, but they both knew they loved each other, and there's beauty in that. Ellie walks away crippled both physically and emotionally. She was seconds away from losing herself completely, but chooses to walk away from Santa Barbara with some of her humanity still in tact. TLOU Part II isn't just a story about hatred, or Abby, or even revenge. It's a conclusion to Ellie and Joel's relationship. It's finality. It's painful, but there's still beauty in it -- and that's simply the reality of the world of TLOU.
Forgiveness is not found in the game. Acceptance and loss is the real idea. The issue is that the actual main theme of this game is a commentary on violence and revenge which it doesn't execute well. Those who say it is forgiveness o my say that as an interpretation which means they are looking at it in a theoretical view which if course is generally discarded.
i always read the final song in the credits (wayfaring stranger) as ellie returning to the fireflies ("im going there... to see my mother"), (give the cure to the world and sacrificing herself), and then to see joel in heaven ("im going there... to see my father").
if anyone wants me to explain further i'll try, but i cant articulate it into words atm, maybe it will come later, but to me it simply makes sense
God this is validating. I avoided the game for the first year just because the game hit a little too close to home during the height of the pandemic but when I got around to it I was blown away. I feel like a lot of people blocked themselves off from a great experience due to Internet hive mind syndrome.
People just mad Naughty Dog played their emotions like a finely tuned fiddle
Played us like we Kaz Miller
I'm not mad, but I'll be honest I cried like a baby through most of the game. I am very emotionally attached to the characters though. It was a very difficult game to get through at times.
@@coltondenning8900 100% it's an emotionally taxing game and that's the point
By playing our emotions you mean lying in advertisements, forcing us to like a horrible person, boring characters, and a forced cheap revenge plot?
@@dogsoldier123 if you think it's a revenge plot you clearly weren't paying attention or didn't even play it. As for the lying, movies do it all the time, so I hope you're showing the same level of anger towards them (unlikely because it's just one of many weak reasons people like you hate the game)
When we say it's not a story for everyone we don't mean it on a condescending way (like saying "I'm more brilliant & more analytical than you") NO, rather it's meant on an emotional cathartic way. The game is not for everyone DEPENDING on how willing or not you turn out to overcome Joel's death. And by overcoming it doesn't mean that you will love him any less (in fact, after everything I even come to love & appreciate him even more + I came to realise how his death had a complete background behind it [fate had to catch up with him given that he could achieve closure for Sarah's death by saving Ellie however he had to keep the cycle of violence alive if he wanted to get her out of the hospital] & ends up having a bigger contribution for the story [Ellie broke with the domino effect that he wasn't able to by the end of part 1]) however overcoming his death means that you got to engage in a bigger emotional journey that you could have ever imagined. Many stories just leave us with the death of a beloved character & that's it but here they wanted to take us on the journey of catharsis, the path to come to terms with this loss along with Ellie (the dimension of Naughty's dog risk per se). If you couldn't get past it, you are likely stuck on this hatred loop towards the game (the best example when life imitates art). It might not have been the story you wanted to hear or that you were expecting to play for years but the boldness of its proposal itself deserves by far more recognition.
Precisely dude, exactly. Agree with you in every way!
part 1 = for everyone, part 2 = not for everyone ... exactly the reason for it's fall
Khun Chen part 1 wasn’t for “everyone” either lol idk about y’all but I don’t judge a game or film by the ratio of love and hate it gets, some masterpiece films evoke a hell of a lot of hate
You are right. Its just not a 10/10. A 6 maybe
@@TheFreshTrumpet how is part 1 wasn’t for “everyone” ?