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His greatest failure was not being the one to train Anakin and see him through his trials of darkness which would have been a close attonement to failing his former apprentice
He failed to prevent this padawan from darkness, what makes you think he has what it takes to prevent Anakin?
Anakin didn't turn because of poor teaching, if that's the case then Qui-Gon was to blame for not training Obi-Wan. No, Anakin turned to the darkside because he was manipulated by Palpatine and had Padmé placed in his entire life, and the visions of her death.
Qui-Gon almost fell to the darkside too after falling in love with a Jedi who died, and Obi-Wan would've left the order for Satine. The two weren't really that different.
Also I hear "father figure" too much, Jedi don't need father figures, they need mentors. Obi-Wan didn't have one, in fact he was placed with Qui-Gon because their renegade natures matched, but it forced Obi-Wan to start being the more reasonable of the two, so Qui-Gon wasn't his father figure, he definitely wouldn't be Anakins, he'd be his enabler which would move him into bad habits a whole lot sooner.
@@SteveCowlishaw solid points but Anakin also didn't have anyone to confide in, as obi wan always shut him out when his thoughts waivered and needed guidance most. All the failures of Qui Gon including almost falling to the dark side due to losing the one he loved only brings him closer to being able to relate to Anakin as he also lost his mom, was tempted by the dark side and feared losing padmae. Qui Gon navigated through and ultimately rose above it all. As for the father figure stand point, that is mainly because Anakin just didn't have a father to begin with so this would also allow him to become closer with Qui Gon.
All of the qualities and life experiences that linked qui and obi are very similar to qui Gon and Anakin. Both Anakin and Jinn lost someone they loved, were tempted by the dark side, saw legitimate reasons to want to leave the order. There's so much common ground that when palpatine tempted Anakin, he would have felt comfortable enough to confide in qui Gon jinn his doubts and insecurities in turn letting his would be master in this scenario help him navigate through his inner conflictions
If Qui-gon was still alive things would have probably been very different and he would probably been less influenced to join the darkside.
@@SteveCowlishaw I mean, qui gonn DID train Obi Wan, who like u said was a "renegade" personality like Qui Gonn. It's possible he had grown as a person and was in a better position to teach Anakin than he had been w the previous apprentice. It definitely seems like he was more aware of the dangers this time and ready to make sure he guided Anakin well. He'd have a better idea how to prevent his fall in theory
@@SteveCowlishaw George Luas himself said that Qui Gon would have been able to keep Anakin in the light. A father figure was part of the issue, while MOST Jedi don't need a father figure, Anakin isn't most Jedi. Where the Jedi adhered strictly to their code and shunned the Dark, going so far to as to suppress any teaching of it, Qui-Gon served the Force and had no issues teaching what the Force dictated. Qui Gon noticed the darkness in Anakin early, and would have been able to teach him how to manage and control it, unlike the Jedi who told him to suppress it and ignore its existence. Fear was always Anakins greatest enemy, and Qui Gon was really the only person who could have helped Anakin at that phase. MAYBE Mace Windu could have as well, but it's hard to say.
Qui-Gon is, without a doubt, the one character I would wish to meet and sit down with to talk about all sorts of things with in the SW galaxy. (within his timeline that is)
Qui-Gon was and still is my absolute favorite Jedi. He followed the force like one follows their beliefs or religion, he didn’t merely bend the force to his will like the rest of the Jedi. He let the force guide his actions and ultimately let the force decide his fate.
There's a theory that he saw the future, knew he had to die to let everything happen the way it did so Vader could kill Sideous. He was also the first force ghost in that Era cause of his connection with the force and he tought it to Yoda I believe who then tought Obi-Wan or vise versa
He also would've beat maul in a duel but his stance isn't good in small areas which is why maul lured them in there. Also maul is hunting him the whole movie because he's the only one strong enough in the force to see through Palpatines illusion. One of the only jedi that could've foiled Palpatines decades of planning
Well no shit! Completely obvious.
I disagree with the religion part, religion and faith are two different things. Religion is adherence to dogma which Qui Gon did not do. Faith is the adherence to a personal experience of spirituality which Qui Gon did practice.
I dont like that kind of fanatism.
Qui-Gon Jinn was always my favourite Jedi he’s very underrated because he only appears in the Phantom Menace, however if you’ve read the Extended Universe books and graphic novels with him in it you will appreciate him more.
He became my favorite jedi just by the movie alone.
Hes portrait beautifully.
This actually makes Qui-Gon seem more qualified to have been Anakin’s mentor. The fact he succeeded with training two apprentices and failing with one makes it seem he has enough experience handling Jedi of different temperaments he knows where he did right but also aware of his failures and mistakes so if he was going to train Anakin and knowing he made mistakes with Xanatos Qui-Gon would know what to do differently training Anakin. Sadly since this is the ‘non-canon Legends’ stuff it will no doubt be ignored and Qui-Gon Jinn will be touted as a glorified saint that can do no wrong all because it came from Filoni’s mouth. I respect the man for making Clone Wars as that was what got me into Star Wars as a whole but I find it hard to believe that people who bashed Qui-Gon for years suddenly say he would have saved Anakin all because Dave Filoni said it himself without any concrete proof in the story even in most iterations that detail Anakin’s life tv shows comics or any story involving his Jedi training doesn’t show that Anakin had any feelings about Qui-Gon after he was dead or at least enough to give the impression Qui-Gon was someone Anakin cared for. The closest was where in the non-canon Clone Wars series, the 2D series made in the early 2000s when Anakin angrily yells at Obi-Wan that despite his wisdom ‘he’s no Qui-Gon Jinn’ and while it may seem Anakin is being hurtful it shows that Qui-Gon was someone important to Anakin for him to make that statement and shows how even years later Anakin missed Qui-Gon.
That is a good point.
But Another way you could view it.
He successfully accepted the total of three apprentices, where two of them ended up on the dark side.
I think that either Qui-Gon or Mace Windu would have been best for Anakin. I think Vaapad would have given Anakin an unbeatable technique that harnessed all of his special force abilities and total tenacity in a light sabre duel.
Jorge Lucas was trying to base Anakin's hair off of Qui-Gon to symbolize his rogue behaviors from the Jedi order
I mean, I felt like Qui-Gon would've been better for Anakin before I ever even saw Dave Filoni's Clone Wars. It feels pretty well hinted at in the Phantom Menace... I dunno, just saying, there were some of us that really liked Qui-Gon before.
Technically Obi-Wan wasn't his last apprentice because he trains Yoda and Ben to become force ghosts.
Obi-Wan is Ben Kenobi and he didn't teach Yoda to do force ghost, Yoda taught Obi Wan.
@@NotRJ001 nah Qui Gon taught Yoda. Season 6 of clone wars will show you it.
Would be so cool to see a live action or cgi series based on this story line
:) Seeing what they made out of Tolkien's story - just no. I'd rather they would not remember to ruin this one.
@@kuna129 fair
Yes I just typed the same thing it would be good 👍 hey DISNEY are you listening
we need a future "Tales of the Jedi" episode on this
His greatest failure was losing the dual with maul. I feel that one is rather obvious.
Agreed. Darth Maul single-handedly changed the fate of the entire Star Wars galaxy.
@@tarikR.R.5120 I'm pretty sure he used two hands in that moment actually.
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To be honest Qui-gon ignoring the weaknesses of his own form in trying to use the environment against a younger and stronger foe than him is what costed him
Just another example in why the prequels were written in such a way that they ensure the OG trilogy is canon regardless of whether or not the characters act in a way that doesn't feel like them, i.e. Anakin choosing to save Palpatine instead of going to Mandalore with Ahsoka to apprehend Maul, or Ahsoka not being able to sense the darkness festering wither her master and the like.
Her leaving the temple I understand and even her not contacting Anakin since she probably didn't even know what she was fighting for or still looking for answers.
so excited to see gui-gonj in tales of the Jedi
The books containing Xanatos not only changed the way I saw Qui Gon but Obi Wan as well. It was such an interesting series in general and I have fond memories of reading it in my childhood!
I read the first. Bought it at a school book fair and never read another. But I enjoyed it. I’ll always remember the salt addicted Arcona species for some reason.
As with any teacher / student relationship (or parent / child, for that matter), there comes a point where the student is responsible for their own successes and failures. That said, every parent of someone who grew up to be a monster can't help but feel shame and blame themselves. no matter what point the child turns from the path the parent tried to put them on.
Overall, I agree. However, the foundation the teachings are supposed to instill is what guides the choices of the student. It's kinda like the karate kid there is no such thing as a bad student only a bad teacher
Qui Gon was pushed into taking a new apprentice. Obi-wan had not been chosen yet and was worried that he wouldn't be chosen by any master. Yoda pushed the two together, and it was wonderful.
Tales of the Jedi will probably change how we see Qui-Gon as well
Qui Gon was a real jedi
Qui-gon never failed anyone. The force desires balance. It therefore creates as well as destroys. By the simple thought of success one also creates failure. But this isn't under any beings control, it's simply the will of the force seeking balance.
They mention he fled from the fight to save Obi Wanand it was the only time, he did so. He also did on Tatooine Vs Maul, albeit to save the others cause he knew what Maul was right away, a Sith Lord
These Jedi Apprentice books were always my favorite growing up
Greatest Failure was not being able to guide Anikin, even if it was as a force voice
Interesting that Quigon's greatest failure was remaking a microcosm of his own master in Dooku.
Qui-Gon is one of my favorites and this is a great back story, and you make a good case for it being his greatest failure, but I still think his biggest mistake was letting Anakin know that he was the chosen one. He should have told very few, maybe even just Obi-Wan and Yoda. Much is said about how fear, anger, and even attachment can all lead to the dark side, but it's seems clear that arrogance is almost always a major factor despite rarely being mentioned. Many people say Qui-Gon could have kept Anakin from falling to the dark side if he hadn't been killed by Maul, and maybe they're right. But knowing you're the 'chosen one' would simultaneously put massive pressure on you and make it nearly impossible to avoid having a massive ego. I think keeping that a secret, at least until he was mature enough to handle it better, would have instilled enough humility for Obi-Wan to have at least had a fighting chance at keeping him from the dark side. Of all the factors that combined to lead Anakin to becoming Vader, this is the only one Qui-Gon had complete control over, and he absolutely made the wrong call. (IMHO)
You left out how Obi-wan didn’t become Jinn’s Padawan until the end of the adventure on Bandomeer.
His greatest failure was losing to Maul and not getting to train Anikin.
Love all your work! Thank you for your craft!
This is the best story since Young Palpatine & Darth Krayt! 😳😳😳🔥💯🔥
I wonder if Palpatine was aware of these happenings.
I would say, it was the first few years of obi-wans training. It was almost like he choose the answer most likely to make obi wan question many many things and never even explaining parts of training he REALLY should have, like why the other padawnas were moving on to other forms and why he wanted obi-wan to focus on the more basic lightsaber style/maneuvers
Love this. I think this would have made an incredible story film of some sort. Even computer animated version.
One thing I'd like is a "What if scenario" where Anakin becomes a Dark Jedi, but never joins the Sith, but maybe early on chasing his passions.
Biggest failure was getting smacked in the lips by Mauls lightsaber hilt
Blame the Jedi Counsel for keeping Xanatos and making him Jins Padawan. They knew he had too much attachment from the very beginning.
I loved the books this was in when I was a kid.
I truly believe Qui-Gon Jedi Order would be just like Luke's he was allowed attachments
OK how do you started the video now I’m scarred for life lol
Xanatos kind of reminds me of Dooku. Both were born into wealthy Powerful families and both would return to claim their families legacies. I wonder if Xanatos would have caught Dooku’s internet if he had lived untill the clones wars where he may have seen him as an potential Alley and Darkside apprentice. There would also be that sentimental factor with Xanato being Qui Gon’s apprentice
Run through with a light saber. That’s what I would call his greatest failure.
It was his greatest lesson
Xanatos was a great character. He was the inspiration for my username and gamertag.
I like how the story of Zanatos (Xanatos?) mirrors Anakin's story. It also kind of tells us what would have happened if Qui-Gonn was on Mustafar instead of Obi-Wan.
The Notorious Negotiator Qui-Gon Jinn 🔥🔥
The ones who really try to help and always see the good in people never cease to be the one's who get villainized the most. Let's talk about the guy who pretty much pupettered and brainwashed an entire generation of a goodness culture, and used all of them to his advantage.
QuiGon should’ve been the one to train Anakin. Don’t get me wrong… Obi Wan was a good mentor to Anakin. And a good brother. But Anakin needed more of a father figure. And QuiGon was the perfect father figure.
Right on! Yes Qui-Gon was the one who should've lived to train Anakin and be a father figure to him as well. Obi-Wan was more of an older brother who was very strict on him.
Looking forward to this
He definitely was going to be a grandmaster if he lived...
My boy quigon on the wrong lightsabers a sith weapon so yeah he's worthy of wielding one
I’m new to the lore associated with all 9 films. Where does this channel draw inspiration for this video? Thanks!
He always reminded me of Revan.
Me after watching this video, still seeing Qui Gon Jin with my eyes:
"Maybe it doesn't work on donkeys"
This was cool.
Good work!
"From a certain point of view..." 😂🤪😛🤦♂️
His biggest mistake was that he chose to defy all that he believed in and his belief in The Force when he forced the dice to roll a winning roll to take Anakin away. My belief is by doing that, he contradicted his entire ethic of leaving everything to the desire of The Force and in doing so, it was then that The Force began to balance in favor of The Dark Side. If he had not forced the dice, he would still have won if the boy was truly the chosen one and The Force had wanted it. I think that is the beginning of Qui-Gon's demise. Even so, he is my favourite Jedi.
God damn I wish we could get more master qui gon. I would love a whole book just filled with his wisdom
I feel bad for Xanatos because he didn't have to go through so much pain and trauma over what Qui Gon did to him. I just wished that he and Obi Wan would get along. Xanatos would've been the one to cloud Anakin's mind to the Dark side.
it's the will of the living force! Xanatos was a lesson for them both.
I don't see any of it as a failure for Qui-gon - if his second apprentice chose the dark side, he chose the dark side. It's on him.
That figure on the left in the thumbnail looks like Jeff Bridges as Qui Gon Jinn
All Jedi Masters can have failures in training apprentices, some may turn to the dark side no matter how good the Master is.
Sometimes a "rotten egg" is just a rotten egg. You can't do anything with it except toss it out. (which in this case, it tossed itself) This wasn't a failure of teaching, it was a failure of learning. \m/
That wasn't his failure it was the Jedi failure.
Bro Scott Adkins could play a great sith and then turning to Jedi if they did an old republic saga/series
Q: Was Qui-Gon Jinn responsible for Xanatos fall to the darkside. Or partially, for Anakin's?
A: Not directly because both of them had high force potential they would have likely used it anyway without training. The Sith would have also, likely, found them and trained them to be the next in line of the Rule of Two.
Qui-Gon Jinn tried to train Xanatos to be a Jedi but this apprentice craved more prestige and power. This could be a inherent character flaw or a case of absolute power corrupts absolutely. Probably, both. Qui-Gon is no more responsible for another’s actions than anyone would be.
For the theory that if Qui-Gon didn't die, Anakin would have been trained to a point where he wouldn't do evil; the Xanatos apprenticeship shoots that theory down. Anakin tells Padme he craves power and prestige in the Prequels. It goes to his head that he is the Chosen one and he destroys everything he supposedly cared about to gain power, especially Padme.
Anakin turns to the dark side and tells Obi-Wan, "I am not your failure... you didn't kill Anakin... I did." And it's that moment he chooses to be Vader.
I personally think Anakin's slavery as a child, the way him and his mother were treated, the fact the Jedi didn't handle his situation well is the environmental push towards his descent to the dark side but he also might have been mentally ill and also suffering from various forms of untreated PTSD.
In the end we all make choices that can create value, or destroy ourselves and harm the ones we love. We are responsible for our own fate so Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are guilty of thinking something was wrong with the way the mentored their respective padawans.
The Jedi were guilty of being warriors instead of peacemakers and they made blundering decisions galore. They did not see the evil under their noses until it was too late.
The Force seems to only want balance so too many of either dark or light users makes it re-balance itself. It works to constantly do this and neither side seems to get this...
Having a good father or brother can't save you from the repercussions of a bad government, basically.
The difference is Xanatos had more family he was aware of then Anakin did his parents and his siblings he left behind and he was born in a family of wealth and power while Anakin only had himself and His Parent and I guess 3PO too and Anakin was a slave not born into a family of riches and high power plus Qui Gon had less experience when he had Xanatos then he got Obi Wan and then later found Anakin so plus Anakin craved a Father Figure and Qui Gon before his death filled that role then once he got executed Palpatine took over had Qui Gon lived Anakin would of had the Father Figure he needed and wanted and as a bonus this Father Figure would of eventually freed Anakins Mother afterall he believed in following the wills of the living force over the code or council or republic so if Anakin told him the force was giving him visions then Qui Gon would of had himself and Anakin go to Tatooine to check up on things and possibly fix stuff yeah.
He had a "Paartickular seht ohv skiihlls!"
Ohhhh, from a certain point of view
I wish we had gotten so much more of Qui-Gon in canon, but I'm glad we got all this content on him in the EU. Ah, Xanatos had caused so much trouble in the books 😅
Sounds like Jinn could have his own movie.
Hey stupendous wave when will what if Qui Gon Jinn trained Anakin part 3 be released?
Following!
'The only time qui-gon ever fled from a fight' he fled from maul though the first time.
I’m gonna have to go with VADER, Bill.
With the Jedi agricultural corp, do you think they were all order 66’ed as well, even though they were mostly involved in plants?
This is why I like to Luke's Jedi Order they were able to get married and look what happened they had powerful for sensitives
So basically his greatest failures was being murdered by darth maul... I'd have to agree there.
Jedi Dogma? That sounds like the dark side.
He lost to an apprentice! And he had help!
qui gonna is like the Joseph oh the star wars universe
Yoda wishes he was as gangster as quigon
Xanatos has Black hair not blond...... 3 Mins in and you finally show a picture of him,
Yummy, Qui-Gon
Early and first!
The book was a pretty good read. The entire fight scene between qui gon and obi Wan vs xanatos was awesome
interesting
being killed by maul..
I think giving a undecisive, unstable and arrogant kid a ultimatum as a last test of loyalty is really stupid so the council is more to blame than Qui-Gon.
Xanatos became the Joker.
I could have sworn that image ypu used for Xanatos is supposed to actually be Bruk Chun, Xanatos' apprentice which he seduced to the dark side and rival student to Obi Wan. At least that's how I remember from the wookieepedia page
Qui-Gon Hunted and killed Kryon...
A rich kid growing out of their arrogance, ha! That's a good one....
Though not impossible... I have a better chance of winning the lottery twice in a row.
But that was a good laugh.
Anakin's fate was sealed when Qui Gon died.
Did jedi ever get a pay check. To live their life or how did that work
Qui Gon Jinn
Has a very large chin
So he can hit
Everybody with it
Qanatos and ankian are similar
Well it’s obvious that Qui Gons mistake was bringing Anakin along. He should’ve had some kind of ptsd from his 2nd apprentice 😂
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Xanatos is the prettiest man in Star Wars
Give yourself over to the Darkside entirely...
Zanatose made his choice, that is not Qui-gone fault.
Xanatos secretly moved to new york and became a a billionaire
Qui Gon never failed at all cause according to his own doctrine Xanathos fall was the will of the Force.
Is this still legends or did they bring it to canon?
That intro...
His greatest failure is losing darth maul
Xanatos, fallen padawan
I firmly believe that Zanatos was inducted into the Jedi Order same as Anakin, he was simply too old, he remembers his family and despite his best efforts to train him Qui Gon was unable to convince Zanatos to let go of his attachments to his family.
It’s not that they were to old they needed psychological help
@@kittycat0876 Being attached to your family isn't psychosis. The notion that it is feeds the spirit of global soulless empire, which is what the urban phenotype wants