@@paulnipp323 yep, I know. I was responding to someone (that post since deleted) who was saying that they put 8 rounds in and couldn't seat the magazine, but didn't say specifically whether they put 8 in the magazine or 1 in the pipe and 7 in the magazine.
I was of the understanding the .22 version was 7 plus 1 and the .25 was 8 plus 1. I had one years ago and found it reliable with decent ammo, even the cheap stuff was pretty good and fun to shoot. Had a 3032 7.65 later and never an issue with it probably used ball and maybe silver tip JHP. Still own a 950BS .25 and that is very reliable. Interesting submission thank you for your consistantly informative work.
Forgot to mention, these pistols are a pain to clear malfunctions. Due to a lack of an extractor a chamber round will stay in the chamber so the typical tap and rack doesn't work. Also a double feed or FTFeed can make magazine removal and tipping up the barrel difficult. So just be aware of this
Any time I get a malfunction in my Tomcat or Bobcat I just hit the release for the barrel without touching the barrel. The force of the barrel flinging open will eject the round 99% of the time
I must be lucky because my mouse guns have all been 100%. The only ones I have seen malfunction are the cheaper pistols. My Berettas, Walters,Browning,FN and Colt all run reliably. The Beretta and Browning Baby have hundreds of rounds with no issues. I guess I have a soft spot for 25auto because it was the first pistol I ever shot. Great video as always.
I've had a 21A for 15 years. Keep it clean well lubed use stingers in it and it will run flawless. It does not like bulk ammo at all, mini mags are so so stingers are the hot ticket. Great ankle gun.
I was curious about the Stingers. I carry them in a NAA mini-revolver due to the short barrel length. They bark out of that little gun. Have you had feeding issues with them out of the Beretta?
If the ammo is too hot for the specs, you may have problems. Read the specs. And that is a 7 round magazine. Again read the specs. After break-in, and if you follow the manufacturer’s guidelines, they generally function flawlessly. Send back otherwise. Unfortunately you did not follow the manufacturer’s instructions. Also the manual tells you not to dry fire. If you do much of this, the firing pen will break. The cracked frame issue has been rectified with the newer models having a thicker slide. The breakage was due to hot loads, which are not recommended, again, as shown in the manual. Read, always read the manual. The manufacturer always knows better. I cannot say much about the .22 but I have carried various beretta Tomcat .32 models, as a backup, for 30 years. Mine have always functioned flawlessly. The older models were made in Italy. Newer models sold in the U.S. are made in the U.S. I am confident this issue here is the exception and not the rule with the 3032. Take a look at all of the 3032 videos on UA-cam. Mostly flawless and accurate.
Most of these "mouse guns" are mainly intended for personal protection, not for thousands of rounds with hot loads at the range. These guns are perfect for their intended purpose. I have an LPC that I shoot periodically. I doubt I will ever shoot 1000 rounds through it. I want it to function for it's intended purpose.I hope I never have to use it for personal protection, but it's there if I need it.
Great video, that was insane!! these have been discontinued since 2013, I just got mine today, picked from grabagun with a rebate from Beretta which sets back the price to about $250.00 which is why I got it, that and the suppress feature which is very attractive, with the Ruger LCP and the Glock 42 out there these are like lesser toys that are only worth if can find them at good price but to see it break after few rounds that is truly insane, coming from the so much trumped "worlds older gun manufacturer"....yeah, I could not use seller on their web site to get some mags and was told by the CSR they are not sure why and just few min ago could not even submit the rebate as their site does not let me upload the required receipt copy, so for starters I am already having issues and kind of repented I picked one....will see how it performs!
I had a Beretta 21 that was one of their early offerings and I can't even guess how many rounds I put through it. Hundreds upon hundreds. The guy I sold it to still has it, don't know how many rounds he's put through it. I know that mine really liked Remington 40 grain solids, didn't like CCI Mini Mags but it ate Remington .22LR ammo like a fat kid eats Snickers bars.
I purchased a 3230 Tomcat new in the mid to late 90's. My wife had a tendency to limp wrist the gun and had constant stove pipe issues with it. It was dependable for me. You needed to be careful when buying ammo. It could not tolerate pressure above 130 foot pounds of (double check this, I have not bought ammo for this in years). If the pressure was too high, it would break the frame. This may have been corrected with newer models. I liked the little guy although there are better options for carry these days IMHO. I was once in a restaurant that was crashed into by a car. I needed to be transported by ambulance (minor injuries) and had this gun in a wallet holster. While laying inside the ambulance, I informed the medic about my carry gun and soon a firefighter appeared that was a "gun guy". I instructed him on how to open the barrel to unload it, and the barrel flipped up sending the bullet flying upward. The guys had never seen anything like it. BTW, he wrapped the unloaded gun in a towel and placed it into the trunk of my car since my wife was not licensed to carry.
My Beretta 21a’s manual says the mag only holds 7 rounds of 22LR. I’d check yours manual. That being said, mine has a very off center crown and patterns low, left and in about a 8” group at 5 yards from a rest. We will see if Betetta customer service is any good. It was bought on 10/29/22… buyer be where
Just to let you no Mac I have the Taurus version of the 22LR if you take the mag apart and take the follower out you can file it down on the bottom and possibly fit 9 rounds but that makes it tight and the rounds it's kind of flat on top so that causes a fetus shoe but it'll make it way easier to load that is round with no issues
I didn't disagree with most of his comments, re: .32 ACP is not necessarily a great self defence caliber, The one arguement that I never hear discussed however is that in "most" cases, involving a defensive situation, the gun is never actually fired. The appearance alone being enough to end the issue at hand. Not saying you should make that your prime criteria for selection of a concealed carry piece, but I'm also of the notion that nobody wants to get shot. People make fun of these calibers all the time, but no one and I mean no one will stand ten feet away and let you shoot them to prove the point. Just my 2 cents
I got two taurus pistols based on the 92, both ended up with broken trigger springs. Mousetrap springs are good for designers but they may get broken anytime. I had a brazilian made beretta 21, not taurus, the trigger spring was ok but its firing pin broke and... for me, to make a semi auto with no extractor is just stupid.
I'll do you one better. A suppressed Baby Browning!!! The can is bigger than the gun and it's a small wet can. I have both of the Beretta 21As too. The .22 LR and the .25 ACP. The 32 A.P.C. is the Beretta model 3032 Tom Cat and the night sight version sold in the 1990s was called "The Alley Cat!" (VERY RARE COOL LIL' GUNS). I carry +P+ flat nose FMJ extra extra hot hand loads and I have broken a few Beretta 3032 frames. The Beretta tip up .380 is the Model 86FS and those are heading north of $1300 each now, and are no longer made. The FS86 is NOT a compact pistol. It is more like a mid sized or mini Model 92FS, or M9.
I have a little Colt 25 ACP that I inherited. I'm not a 25 fan, but it was free and in brand new condition. I ran a couple boxes of "paper punchers" through it for fun, then ran some defense ammo (25 ACP "defense" ammo 😂🤣) through it to make sure it cycled dependably, and I have to say, it performed like a champ. I'd feel fine carrying that Cold before I carried nothing at all. And my trigger didn't break! 😁 I don't have any 32 ACP experience, but only because I don't care to have any. .380 is close enough.
I've seen your video testing Underwood 32acp Cavitator . Underwood now makes 32acp extreme defender. I was wondering if you plan on doing a test with the extreme defender?
Hey MAC that S&B ammo is way too hot for that 3032, it's almost 40% hotter than the hottest load Beretta says the tomcat can handle. Not shocking it broke 🤷♂️
Leave it the world's oldest firearm maker to create pocket pistol for the gentry. Flat dark earth to match hue of a fine tweed sports jacket and a threaded muzzle for a flash suppressor. No need to scare the lady of the house while dispatching troublesome rabble.
Beretta clearly advertises to not use .32 ACP ammunitions that exceed 176J of muzzle energy in the Bobcat. The stuff he was using produces 240J of muzzle energy (they are about the hottest .32 ACP ammos available) AND it had even more backpressure with the suppressor.
@10 years ago I bought a clean used tomcat...less than 50 rounds in I noticed the infamous frame crack in the trigger area; I have never understood why they didn't strengthen that area with steel shims (somewhat like walther did with the alloy framed P1's in 9mm to lengthen handgun longevity)
When they made the inox version, they widened the frame but it would still crack using hotter rounds, or any ammo that exceeded muzzle energy of 130. They put a "warning" card in with the pistols when you buy them saying not to use that type of ammo but it only says "notice" and that it may cause "wear and tear", not "this gun will definitely crack." And from what I've heard Beretta will not fix it. 😕
There will be NO flat dark earth firearms in my home. They make me feel like I'm reaching for a fresh cow pie. My current mouse gun is a Taurus TCP in .380. It's black.
When clearing a malfunction remember if you have a live round in the bbl you cannot just rack the slide to clear it. There is no extractor on this! You will still have a live round in the chamber. You scared me at the last.
32 version of this was my first carry gun when I moved to a (previously) free state. Never ran a full magazine without a malfunction. Sent it back to Beretta and they wanted more than it cost new to fix it...even though it never worked in the first place. Nice warranty. First and Last Beretta I've ever owned. Sold it with full disclosure that it was a POS for about half of what I paid for it. Bought a P3AT with the proceeds, still carry that to this day and it's still running like a top.
@@Militaryarmschannel I do it too. Often times if I were to just read the owners manual I would figure out my answers but owners manuals are for geeks 🤣💩
@@Militaryarmschannel Hate to say this, but I think you just need to take this video down, redo it with the correct information so that folks don't take this travesty as gospel. Yes I do wish Beretta would add about 1/4" of space in the mags to allow an 8th round, but... I do love my FDE Bobcat especially with my Q Erector on it.
It cut me deep to see him beat the magazine into that Bobcat. I own both these guns. The magazine accepts 8 rounds, but that is for storing that round in the chamber. So one can empty the chamber, make the gun safe, and not have that +1 round loose and getting lost. There’s a reason it failed with 8+1. You’re not breaking it in, you’re just breaking it. Poor little Bobcat
MAC is the worst. I really can’t stand them or how they do their videos but I watch occasionally just due to how much content they have. The main dude is so biased against certain manufacturers and he midwestern passive aggressively makes it known.
heres the thing with the bobcat issues its only a 7+1 capacity, the 32ACP Tomcat also holds 2+1 as well BUT the 25acp version of the Tomcat is different with that model being 8+1...so thats why the 2nd round would jam on you, Ive had my grandfathers bobcat he bought in the 80s for years now and never had a single issue with CCI mini mags...
yeah i was going to comment this but you beat me to it. The bobcat cant actually hold 8. If you load 7 it's 100%, i run subsonics, hyper, standard, no issues. Just dont ram that mag home.
The .25 acp version does hold .8+1 and with the mecgar mags 9+1. I know because I own one. Believe it or not I like my Taurus PT-25 Poly better. It's easier to draw out of the pocket and I can do so much quicker. It's capacity is 9+1. I know .25 acp isn't ideal but it's hot as balls in Texas so I only wear shorts and t-shirts. It's better than just failing to conceal my 9mm and being forced to leave it at home. I have a kel tec p32 but don't trust it. It hasn't been as reliable as my Taurus. Pocket .380s never jived with me in those tiny pistols.
I have the 25acp model from the mid 80's. I love the little thing, Lehigh Defence is in the process of developing a FBI standard bullet for the 25 cal. They made one for the 32acp that preformed outstandingly.
One thing to keep in mind with the tip up barrels is that they have no extractor. If you're emptying the gun, you pop the barrel. If you're verifying empty, you pop the barrel. If you remove the magazine and rack the slide a few times, that means nothing for the chamber because there is no extractor to pull that live round out of the chamber.
Uhhh so how does it extract when the gun is being fired? I belive the pop barrel was more of an easy way for ladies to load without racking the slide......
@@prone_wolf8871 Pure blowback actions don't necessarily need an extractor, though many have one anyway. The casing can push itself against the slide until it hits the ejector, however if a round did not fire for any reason, there's no back pressure to remove the round from the chamber.
@@prone_wolf8871 It's straight blowback, the empty cases fly out as the slide cycles. I actually bought one of the Tomcat Coverts and was on my way to the range with it for the first time after watching this video. Mine functioned fun, one round that didn't fire with multiple hits on the primer, but no cycling issues or broken triggers. Silenced was fine, not a loud round at all. Slide did slice my thumb though, so if you get one make sure to keep a low grip! And of course, accuracy was not exactly match grade. :)
S&B .32 acp ammo is too hot for the Tomcat, that's most likely why you broke something. It has 177 ft/lbs muzzle energy where Beretta specifically states to use 130 ft/lbs max. You're also having trouble loading that magazine in the Bobcat because you put 8 rounds in a 7 round mag.
The extra back pressure from the can didn’t help either. I was half tempted to buy one of these Tomcats that I was playing with and then I remembered they had frame cracking issues in the past. The suppressor is just going to make that significantly worse.
Agreed - this video is a clusterfuck. I own 4 Tomcats all from the 1999 production and they all have over 500 rounds through them. I would never use the Sellier and Bellot 32ACP ammo as it's too hot for the Tomcat. I do use Federal Hydra Shok, Speer Lawman, American Eagle and Winchester Silvertip ammo and never had an issue, as all those rounds are at or under the 130Ft/Lbs recommended by Beretta. None have frame cracks or any other issues. And stuffing 8 rounds into a 7 round Bobcat magazine is just stupid.
Strange, because I just read the manual on this little pistol and nowhere does it claim this. Maybe the newer guns have been improved on?? It just says use .32ACP ammo that is SAAMI or CIP rated.
The forward firing pin stop is a 1mm roll pin. Dry firing a few times over the life of the pistol probably won't destroy anything. It's a 1mm roll pin, though, so do the math on just how many times it can take that impact.
Let me edit that sentence for you. : I find it hard to believe that tim broke a gun that wasn’t a sig. No offense Tim, just poking at your love hate relationship with sig
All of these are hilarious comments. Tim does have a tendency to find the weak points in any firearm sample. Who needs soldiers to field test, just give it to Tim.
"I can break anything." You certainly qualify to break magazines, filling them based off of feelings and wishes as opposed to manufacturers instructions. I know you call it a toy/novelty that is just for fun, but a competent shooter could put an opposer in the dirt with regularity with it.
@@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 well, I have a relative that may or may not be able to confirm that but I’m sure they’ll say they don’t work for that agency. Lol. True story.
Tim, be sure to let us know what Beretta had to say about the breakage on the .32 acp. It would be interesting if Beretta had an idea what the problem is.
@@jacobmarley4907 someone made a video explaining that majority of 32acp made in Europe is hotter than American rounds. Beretta made the Tomcat around the US market. They even put a note in the box explaining to buy stuff under 130ft/lbs (I think Winchester). It was an issue with the first gen models
I have 2 of these that broke, customer service was awful, I will never buy Beretta again. EDIT: I was using the recommended Winchester. Not a hot load and not a reload.
Those guns are kind of neat, not that I would buy one. 'Just for fun...' but a 22LR can still kill ya; remember that. The rotating barrel is especially cool, you KNOW that gun is safe when the barrel is open... this feature would allow people who are a bit timid with firearms to be comfortable with handling this gun. Thanks for the great video.
Could it be that the tip-up barrel concept is actually the safest mechanism to make sure a self-loading gun is really empty? With a normal semi-automatic you drop the magazine, rack the slide (a few times perhaps) and then assume that it's empty. At least theoretically, however, there might still be something stuck in the barrel ( a squib load, or a piece of a cartridge that was fired earlier.... the latter scenario is what killed Brandon Lee). With those tip-up barrels you can actually look inside the barrel, too, and make sure it's 100% clear.
Using a decibel meter when you're firing a suppressor would be nice to see. I know how much the camera distorts sound so it would be nice to see how loud they are. Just a thought. Great video Tim.
32acp firing good quality 73gr ball meets the FBI standard of 16" of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Many European police carried and used the 32acp for decades.
I have the beretta covert. I went and had it milled by a professional gunsmith for suppressor height night sights and it became a game changer when paired with my Dead Air Mask. Since you like to shoot suppressed you may find that interesting to you as well.
Love your channel. I personally would put a silencer that big on that gun. It’s just not practical at all. Beretta is still the best in the business. Forza Italia! 🇮🇹
That Tomcat is notorious for breaking. When they first came out they where getting cracked frames. Ive had nothing but good luck with all my Tomcats though. I really like the gun as long as you get a good one!
I have an old model 20 in .25 ACP and it's been reliable with every ammo I've tried including hand loads. Only issue it has is that the last round sometimes won't fully eject since it relies on the cartridge below to throw the case clear of the action. With the mag out that becomes WAY worse.
These little Berettas are great guns to have in the collection. Especially for beginners/young kids. I use several that I own whenever my nieces and nephews want to shoot. They're perfect for getting them started with the fundamentals, but without being intimidating for them in terms of recoil (they're 7, 9 & 10 years old).
21a has a 7rd mag. If you're putting 8 in there that might be where some of the malfunctions are coming from.
That's what Beretta's website says, yeah! 👍
@UCiMKfNWHbjqZBuTpJIhX5vA you mean 8 rounds in the magazine or one in the pipe and 7 in the 7-round magazine?
@@Stevarooni it's a 7+1 gun. The magazine is not meant to hold 8 rounds.
@@paulnipp323 yep, I know. I was responding to someone (that post since deleted) who was saying that they put 8 rounds in and couldn't seat the magazine, but didn't say specifically whether they put 8 in the magazine or 1 in the pipe and 7 in the magazine.
first thing I thought
And I thought you only broke Sigs and century products.
Also the VP9.
Century products usually come broke, it’s a feature of their brand.
I was of the understanding the .22 version was 7 plus 1 and the .25 was 8 plus 1. I had one years ago and found it reliable with decent ammo, even the cheap stuff was pretty good and fun to shoot. Had a 3032 7.65 later and never an issue with it probably used ball and maybe silver tip JHP. Still own a 950BS .25 and that is very reliable. Interesting submission thank you for your consistantly informative work.
I'll buy your 25 ACP if you ever sell it
Forgot to mention, these pistols are a pain to clear malfunctions. Due to a lack of an extractor a chamber round will stay in the chamber so the typical tap and rack doesn't work. Also a double feed or FTFeed can make magazine removal and tipping up the barrel difficult. So just be aware of this
Any time I get a malfunction in my Tomcat or Bobcat I just hit the release for the barrel without touching the barrel. The force of the barrel flinging open will eject the round 99% of the time
My 1st handgun. Maybe 1,000 rounds never had a problem. Can go anywhere you are not supposed to. It definitely likes fmj,
I must be lucky because my mouse guns have all been 100%. The only ones I have seen malfunction are the cheaper pistols. My Berettas, Walters,Browning,FN and Colt all run reliably. The Beretta and Browning Baby have hundreds of rounds with no issues. I guess I have a soft spot for 25auto because it was the first pistol I ever shot. Great video as always.
I've had a 21A for 15 years. Keep it clean well lubed use stingers in it and it will run flawless. It does not like bulk ammo at all, mini mags are so so stingers are the hot ticket. Great ankle gun.
I was curious about the Stingers. I carry them in a NAA mini-revolver due to the short barrel length. They bark out of that little gun. Have you had feeding issues with them out of the Beretta?
If the ammo is too hot for the specs, you may have problems. Read the specs. And that is a 7 round magazine. Again read the specs.
After break-in, and if you follow the manufacturer’s guidelines, they generally function flawlessly. Send back otherwise.
Unfortunately you did not follow the manufacturer’s instructions. Also the manual tells you not to dry fire. If you do much of this, the firing pen will break. The cracked frame issue has been rectified with the newer models having a thicker slide. The breakage was due to hot loads, which are not recommended, again, as shown in the manual. Read, always read the manual. The manufacturer always knows better. I cannot say much about the .22 but I have carried various beretta Tomcat .32 models, as a backup, for 30 years. Mine have always functioned flawlessly. The older models were made in Italy. Newer models sold in the U.S. are made in the U.S. I am confident this issue here is the exception and not the rule with the 3032. Take a look at all of the 3032 videos on UA-cam. Mostly flawless and accurate.
Most of these "mouse guns" are mainly intended for personal protection, not for thousands of rounds with hot loads at the range. These guns are perfect for their intended purpose. I have an LPC that I shoot periodically. I doubt I will ever shoot 1000 rounds through it. I want it to function for it's intended purpose.I hope I never have to use it for personal protection, but it's there if I need it.
That was great fun to watch over my morning coffee. Thank you.
I have been viewing your channel for quite a few years now and will continue to do so, thank you very much !
all im getting from this video is once the gun jams and you have the suppressor tube attached you have a makeshift club to beat someone with
A modern version of the frech "le français" .25 acp 1920's pistol. Nice
The guns are awesome. To be fare they are a 7 round mag that u can fit 8. I love the break barrel on them.
Great video, that was insane!! these have been discontinued since 2013, I just got mine today, picked from grabagun with a rebate from Beretta which sets back the price to about $250.00 which is why I got it, that and the suppress feature which is very attractive, with the Ruger LCP and the Glock 42 out there these are like lesser toys that are only worth if can find them at good price but to see it break after few rounds that is truly insane, coming from the so much trumped "worlds older gun manufacturer"....yeah, I could not use seller on their web site to get some mags and was told by the CSR they are not sure why and just few min ago could not even submit the rebate as their site does not let me upload the required receipt copy, so for starters I am already having issues and kind of repented I picked one....will see how it performs!
I had a Beretta 21 that was one of their early offerings and I can't even guess how many rounds I put through it. Hundreds upon hundreds. The guy I sold it to still has it, don't know how many rounds he's put through it. I know that mine really liked Remington 40 grain solids, didn't like CCI Mini Mags but it ate Remington .22LR ammo like a fat kid eats Snickers bars.
I like Snickers bars🥺🥺🥺😭💩🤣
I do agree that Beretta 21 is finicky with ammo
I purchased a 3230 Tomcat new in the mid to late 90's. My wife had a tendency to limp wrist the gun and had constant stove pipe issues with it. It was dependable for me. You needed to be careful when buying ammo. It could not tolerate pressure above 130 foot pounds of (double check this, I have not bought ammo for this in years). If the pressure was too high, it would break the frame. This may have been corrected with newer models. I liked the little guy although there are better options for carry these days IMHO.
I was once in a restaurant that was crashed into by a car. I needed to be transported by ambulance (minor injuries) and had this gun in a wallet holster. While laying inside the ambulance, I informed the medic about my carry gun and soon a firefighter appeared that was a "gun guy". I instructed him on how to open the barrel to unload it, and the barrel flipped up sending the bullet flying upward. The guys had never seen anything like it. BTW, he wrapped the unloaded gun in a towel and placed it into the trunk of my car since my wife was not licensed to carry.
My Beretta 21a’s manual says the mag only holds 7 rounds of 22LR. I’d check yours manual.
That being said, mine has a very off center crown and patterns low, left and in about a 8” group at 5 yards from a rest.
We will see if Betetta customer service is any good. It was bought on 10/29/22… buyer be where
Just to let you no Mac I have the Taurus version of the 22LR if you take the mag apart and take the follower out you can file it down on the bottom and possibly fit 9 rounds but that makes it tight and the rounds it's kind of flat on top so that causes a fetus shoe but it'll make it way easier to load that is round with no issues
Tim breaks everything!! 🤣🤣 All good though. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Thanks for the video.
Haha, thanks for watching.
I have several mouse guns from really old to modern. But they are only for collecting and shooting at the range occasionally, nothing else.
I didn't disagree with most of his comments, re: .32 ACP is not necessarily a great self defence caliber, The one arguement that I never hear discussed however is that in "most" cases, involving a defensive situation, the gun is never actually fired. The appearance alone being enough to end the issue at hand. Not saying you should make that your prime criteria for selection of a concealed carry piece, but I'm also of the notion that nobody wants to get shot. People make fun of these calibers all the time, but no one and I mean no one will stand ten feet away and let you shoot them to prove the point. Just my 2 cents
I got two taurus pistols based on the 92, both ended up with broken trigger springs.
Mousetrap springs are good for designers but they may get broken anytime.
I had a brazilian made beretta 21, not taurus, the trigger spring was ok but its firing pin broke and... for me, to make a semi auto with no extractor is just stupid.
My suggestion would be count your rounds and don’t dry fire at the end Beretta recommends not dry firing just saying
Not many people are as observant as you are. All the UA-cam reviewers I’ve seen pull that trigger on an empty chamber after the last round.
It sounded a lot quieter with the small can. For a hit you would not here it on a street or outside a room well.
They also make a smaller can for the bobcat now it`s called the pill bottle can,about half the size of the one in the video. Not any quieter though.
I'll do you one better. A suppressed Baby Browning!!! The can is bigger than the gun and it's a small wet can. I have both of the Beretta 21As too. The .22 LR and the .25 ACP. The 32 A.P.C. is the Beretta model 3032 Tom Cat and the night sight version sold in the 1990s was called "The Alley Cat!" (VERY RARE COOL LIL' GUNS). I carry +P+ flat nose FMJ extra extra hot hand loads and I have broken a few Beretta 3032 frames. The Beretta tip up .380 is the Model 86FS and those are heading north of $1300 each now, and are no longer made. The FS86 is NOT a compact pistol. It is more like a mid sized or mini Model 92FS, or M9.
I have a little Colt 25 ACP that I inherited. I'm not a 25 fan, but it was free and in brand new condition. I ran a couple boxes of "paper punchers" through it for fun, then ran some defense ammo (25 ACP "defense" ammo 😂🤣) through it to make sure it cycled dependably, and I have to say, it performed like a champ. I'd feel fine carrying that Cold before I carried nothing at all. And my trigger didn't break! 😁 I don't have any 32 ACP experience, but only because I don't care to have any. .380 is close enough.
I've seen your video testing Underwood 32acp Cavitator . Underwood now makes 32acp extreme defender. I was wondering if you plan on doing a test with the extreme defender?
I love this little gun.
Please redo after thinking about errors in operation
Interesting little guns I've seen them but didn't know the barrel flips up like that kind of like a Schofield revolver very cool.
It is the auto-loader version of the Schofield I suppose. Thanks for watching!
Way to go Tim lol. Have to ask does your ability to break thing end with firearms or are you like this with other mechanical items?
I literally break everything I touch. 😂
@@Militaryarmschannel guns are the only area I don't do that in. Must be an Indiana thing we're hard on stuff
Where do they get off charging so much for a tiny gun that breaks in about 100 rounds?
Hey MAC that S&B ammo is way too hot for that 3032, it's almost 40% hotter than the hottest load Beretta says the tomcat can handle. Not shocking it broke 🤷♂️
Beretta doesn't offer a mouse gun in .380, the smallest would be an 84/85 Cheetah which is far larger than the .32 Tomcat
I noticed Beretta didn’t put higher sights on it.
They need an RMR mount on the barrel
Wish they still made the beretta 71 and 70 i would prefer those over the bobcat
I liked the 84.
Leave it the world's oldest firearm maker to create pocket pistol for the gentry. Flat dark earth to match hue of a fine tweed sports jacket and a threaded muzzle for a flash suppressor. No need to scare the lady of the house while dispatching troublesome rabble.
Could back pressure from that giant suppressor somehow caused the trigger to break?
Beretta clearly advertises to not use .32 ACP ammunitions that exceed 176J of muzzle energy in the Bobcat. The stuff he was using produces 240J of muzzle energy (they are about the hottest .32 ACP ammos available) AND it had even more backpressure with the suppressor.
The jamming problem (I believe) is the Ammo ... you have to be VERY careful about your ammo in these small guns.
Had a tomcat, I do miss it but was always scared it would break.
@10 years ago I bought a clean used tomcat...less than 50 rounds in I noticed the infamous frame crack in the trigger area; I have never understood why they didn't strengthen that area with steel shims (somewhat like walther did with the alloy framed P1's in 9mm to lengthen handgun longevity)
When they made the inox version, they widened the frame but it would still crack using hotter rounds, or any ammo that exceeded muzzle energy of 130. They put a "warning" card in with the pistols when you buy them saying not to use that type of ammo but it only says "notice" and that it may cause "wear and tear", not "this gun will definitely crack." And from what I've heard Beretta will not fix it. 😕
There will be NO flat dark earth firearms in my home. They make me feel like I'm reaching for a fresh cow pie. My current mouse gun is a Taurus TCP in .380. It's black.
Ok.
Appreciate the video. Thanks-
How about a poly framed stainless slide 10 shot 9mm striker fired with a tip up barrel?
First time I seen you use that porthole. lol
Any updates?
When clearing a malfunction remember if you have a live round in the bbl you cannot just rack the slide to clear it. There is no extractor on this! You will still have a live round in the chamber. You scared me at the last.
These were at SHOT last year along with some other colours
32 version of this was my first carry gun when I moved to a (previously) free state. Never ran a full magazine without a malfunction. Sent it back to Beretta and they wanted more than it cost new to fix it...even though it never worked in the first place. Nice warranty. First and Last Beretta I've ever owned. Sold it with full disclosure that it was a POS for about half of what I paid for it. Bought a P3AT with the proceeds, still carry that to this day and it's still running like a top.
I'll carry my NAA Sidewinder in 22mag instead.
what, no RMR cut. big fail.
Seriously, it is a good looking gun in the desert color.
Lmao you are an expert at finding any weakness in a gun
Where is the subscribe button?
6:14 the reason Tim is having problems inserting an overloaded magazine is because it is designed to hold 7 but he mashed 8 rounds into it 👍🤣
I do dumb stuff all the time. I figured it out finally.
@@Militaryarmschannel even after watching your video.... I did the same thing lmao
@@Militaryarmschannel I do it too. Often times if I were to just read the owners manual I would figure out my answers but owners manuals are for geeks 🤣💩
@@Militaryarmschannel Hate to say this, but I think you just need to take this video down, redo it with the correct information so that folks don't take this travesty as gospel. Yes I do wish Beretta would add about 1/4" of space in the mags to allow an 8th round, but... I do love my FDE Bobcat especially with my Q Erector on it.
@@Militaryarmschannel Tim what did Beretta say about the Tomcats broker trigger return spring?
I carried a 32acp for years as a bartender where carrying wasn’t allowed 🤙🏽
They hide so well. I still carry my first Tomcat.
It's sad how very few options there are in .32 ACP nowadays.
My dad has a 32NAA that he uses as his deep carry. Beast of a pop gun.
@@thatoneguybones8036 prison is better than a grave.
@@thatoneguybones8036 Prison....maybe, maybe not. You'll definitely lose your job, though. Still better than dying.
Funny how it works when there are 7 rounds in the mag.
Same thing with mine.
That's the way they are.
It cut me deep to see him beat the magazine into that Bobcat. I own both these guns. The magazine accepts 8 rounds, but that is for storing that round in the chamber. So one can empty the chamber, make the gun safe, and not have that +1 round loose and getting lost. There’s a reason it failed with 8+1. You’re not breaking it in, you’re just breaking it. Poor little Bobcat
Thanks for the explanation ! Didn’t realize that was intended, for storage. Great tip.
I appreciate this, I'm fascinated by the 25acp Beretta and want one a lot
@@oplefiremif you have a .22 Bobcat you can just buy a .25 acp slide and barrel and swap them out.
MAC is the worst. I really can’t stand them or how they do their videos but I watch occasionally just due to how much content they have. The main dude is so biased against certain manufacturers and he midwestern passive aggressively makes it known.
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heres the thing with the bobcat issues its only a 7+1 capacity, the 32ACP Tomcat also holds 2+1 as well BUT the 25acp version of the Tomcat is different with that model being 8+1...so thats why the 2nd round would jam on you, Ive had my grandfathers bobcat he bought in the 80s for years now and never had a single issue with CCI mini mags...
yeah i was going to comment this but you beat me to it. The bobcat cant actually hold 8. If you load 7 it's 100%, i run subsonics, hyper, standard, no issues. Just dont ram that mag home.
That's what I thought as well, don't know where he got the idea it was supposed to take 8 in the mag.
I have mecgars that hold 9+1 25acp
The .25 acp version does hold .8+1 and with the mecgar mags 9+1. I know because I own one. Believe it or not I like my Taurus PT-25 Poly better. It's easier to draw out of the pocket and I can do so much quicker. It's capacity is 9+1. I know .25 acp isn't ideal but it's hot as balls in Texas so I only wear shorts and t-shirts. It's better than just failing to conceal my 9mm and being forced to leave it at home. I have a kel tec p32 but don't trust it. It hasn't been as reliable as my Taurus. Pocket .380s never jived with me in those tiny pistols.
@@taasch2505 go get you a jetfire
i'm just here to join the people yelling at you about it being a 7rd clipazine
Clipazine....
@@marcuschauvin7039 Do you live in a cave and not get the reference?
Iraqveteran8888 : *Yes. Let your anger fuel you. Destroy those guns.*
"Shizu-chan" eeeehhh. Stick with watching chinese cartoons.
I have the 25acp model from the mid 80's. I love the little thing, Lehigh Defence is in the process of developing a FBI standard bullet for the 25 cal. They made one for the 32acp that preformed outstandingly.
@@fridolfmane1063 Japanese. FIFY
@@fridolfmane1063 racist shitbag.
@@NoMusicTheory hardly racist but please continue like a SJW
Not sure why you’d cram 8 rds in a 7 rd mag. Beretta makes 6 and 7 round mags for the 22, but not 8.
Exactly
Well when you're kind of dumb you do dumb shit like that and blame the gun.
Not sure why a 7 round magazine would be manufactured in such a way as to allow 8 rounds to be crammed inside it, sounds like piss poor engineering
Curiosity
@@dylanrutan100 its because its designed to be inserted with the slide closed. That extra room makes it easier to fully insert the mag.
One thing to keep in mind with the tip up barrels is that they have no extractor. If you're emptying the gun, you pop the barrel. If you're verifying empty, you pop the barrel. If you remove the magazine and rack the slide a few times, that means nothing for the chamber because there is no extractor to pull that live round out of the chamber.
I don’t own one of these, but I’m glad to know that now.
Uhhh so how does it extract when the gun is being fired?
I belive the pop barrel was more of an easy way for ladies to load without racking the slide......
@@prone_wolf8871 Pure blowback actions don't necessarily need an extractor, though many have one anyway. The casing can push itself against the slide until it hits the ejector, however if a round did not fire for any reason, there's no back pressure to remove the round from the chamber.
@@prone_wolf8871 It's straight blowback, the empty cases fly out as the slide cycles.
I actually bought one of the Tomcat Coverts and was on my way to the range with it for the first time after watching this video. Mine functioned fun, one round that didn't fire with multiple hits on the primer, but no cycling issues or broken triggers. Silenced was fine, not a loud round at all.
Slide did slice my thumb though, so if you get one make sure to keep a low grip!
And of course, accuracy was not exactly match grade. :)
@@vocenoctum2046 Mine cut my fat hands too! Left a trail of blood at the range. Still have the scar.
S&B .32 acp ammo is too hot for the Tomcat, that's most likely why you broke something. It has 177 ft/lbs muzzle energy where Beretta specifically states to use 130 ft/lbs max.
You're also having trouble loading that magazine in the Bobcat because you put 8 rounds in a 7 round mag.
That's why I only use the PMC Bronze .32 ACP FMJ. The 126ft/lbs should give plenty of leeway for variances.
The extra back pressure from the can didn’t help either. I was half tempted to buy one of these Tomcats that I was playing with and then I remembered they had frame cracking issues in the past. The suppressor is just going to make that significantly worse.
Agreed - this video is a clusterfuck. I own 4 Tomcats all from the 1999 production and they all have over 500 rounds through them. I would never use the Sellier and Bellot 32ACP ammo as it's too hot for the Tomcat. I do use Federal Hydra Shok, Speer Lawman, American Eagle and Winchester Silvertip ammo and never had an issue, as all those rounds are at or under the 130Ft/Lbs recommended by Beretta. None have frame cracks or any other issues.
And stuffing 8 rounds into a 7 round Bobcat magazine is just stupid.
Strange, because I just read the manual on this little pistol and nowhere does it claim this. Maybe the newer guns have been improved on?? It just says use .32ACP ammo that is SAAMI or CIP rated.
@@myvenusheeler Possibly, the page on Beretta's website where they confirm the problem seems to have been taken down.
The manual for the .32 Tomcat tells you specifically not to dry fire the gun despite the fact that it’s a centerfire.
The forward firing pin stop is a 1mm roll pin. Dry firing a few times over the life of the pistol probably won't destroy anything. It's a 1mm roll pin, though, so do the math on just how many times it can take that impact.
"I can break anything."
^Marine confirmed^
Exactly what I was thinking! haha
Crayon sir?
Also, you broke the pistol because the suppressor wasn't FDE like the pistol.
I find it hard to believe that Tim broke a gun.
That made me laugh. 😆
If only he had a history of breaking firearms.
Like videographic evidence of some kind...
@@Snakedude4life he definitely shouldn’t make a montage of every single gun he’s broken, because he’s never broke one before
Let me edit that sentence for you.
: I find it hard to believe that tim broke a gun that wasn’t a sig.
No offense Tim, just poking at your love hate relationship with sig
All of these are hilarious comments. Tim does have a tendency to find the weak points in any firearm sample. Who needs soldiers to field test, just give it to Tim.
"I can break anything." You certainly qualify to break magazines, filling them based off of feelings and wishes as opposed to manufacturers instructions. I know you call it a toy/novelty that is just for fun, but a competent shooter could put an opposer in the dirt with regularity with it.
Finally, my dreams of being a world class assassin can finally come true.
The Israelis used silenced .22’s to take out some terrorists circa 60’s.
@@chrismasters4951 probably still do.
@@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 well, I have a relative that may or may not be able to confirm that but I’m sure they’ll say they don’t work for that agency. Lol. True story.
@@chrismasters4951 its a mean little round. And relatively quiet if suppressed
Tim, be sure to let us know what Beretta had to say about the breakage on the .32 acp. It would be interesting if Beretta had an idea what the problem is.
He is shooting too hot of ammo. Beretta already addressed the issue
It is hard to imagine too hot a load of factory .32 acp, unless of course it was reloaded ammo.
@@jacobmarley4907 someone made a video explaining that majority of 32acp made in Europe is hotter than American rounds. Beretta made the Tomcat around the US market. They even put a note in the box explaining to buy stuff under 130ft/lbs (I think Winchester). It was an issue with the first gen models
I have 2 of these that broke, customer service was awful, I will never buy Beretta again.
EDIT: I was using the recommended Winchester. Not a hot load and not a reload.
@@jacobmarley4907 higher than beretta spec ammo is out there, factory made.
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Yes! "Circle Back" with that update.
LOL ahaha
I’m gonna have to circle back with my reply to your comment.
Tim: hey can I borrow a gun?
Everyone: hell no!
He is the common denominator.
Those guns are kind of neat, not that I would buy one. 'Just for fun...' but a 22LR can still kill ya; remember that. The rotating barrel is especially cool, you KNOW that gun is safe when the barrel is open... this feature would allow people who are a bit timid with firearms to be comfortable with handling this gun. Thanks for the great video.
Could it be that the tip-up barrel concept is actually the safest mechanism to make sure a self-loading gun is really empty?
With a normal semi-automatic you drop the magazine, rack the slide (a few times perhaps) and then assume that it's empty.
At least theoretically, however, there might still be something stuck in the barrel ( a squib load, or a piece of a cartridge that was fired earlier.... the latter scenario is what killed Brandon Lee).
With those tip-up barrels you can actually look inside the barrel, too, and make sure it's 100% clear.
The reason it ejected a live round along with the case is because it didn't want the second round to jam on you. BTW, they're 7 round mags, not 8.
After hearing it i can only refer to them as pocket rockets
Using a decibel meter when you're firing a suppressor would be nice to see. I know how much the camera distorts sound so it would be nice to see how loud they are. Just a thought. Great video Tim.
The 22 has a 7 round mag. Its not meant to hold 8. We can't blame user error on the gun.
32acp firing good quality 73gr ball meets the FBI standard of 16" of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Many European police carried and used the 32acp for decades.
12" I believe.
@@melissasmess2773 You are correct. Thank you.
The .32 Tomcats gained a moniker of "Tomcracks" on the Beretta Forum from the frames cracking.
True, but its purely an aesthetic crack. It doesn't change the function at all.
I have the beretta covert. I went and had it milled by a professional gunsmith for suppressor height night sights and it became a game changer when paired with my Dead Air Mask. Since you like to shoot suppressed you may find that interesting to you as well.
What night sights did you use and where did you get them? Would love to do the same thing on mine
@@937wigger XD Suppressor Height Night sights work perfectly. You'll have to have someone mill the slide for install.
Love your channel. I personally would put a silencer that big on that gun. It’s just not practical at all. Beretta is still the best in the business. Forza Italia! 🇮🇹
I think you are suppose to 7 plus 1 with the tip up or 8 and rack the slide. But ya shocker you broke something.
Another really cool thing about the 21A is there is no extractor on it.
Cool? Interesting for sure but I'd rather have one.
That Tomcat is notorious for breaking. When they first came out they where getting cracked frames. Ive had nothing but good luck with all my Tomcats though. I really like the gun as long as you get a good one!
Dear Beretta, there was a reason why they invented the centerfire .25 ACP.
Yep, they know and that’s why I have a .25 Beretta 950BS Jetfire and a .25 Model 20.
I have an old model 20 in .25 ACP and it's been reliable with every ammo I've tried including hand loads. Only issue it has is that the last round sometimes won't fully eject since it relies on the cartridge below to throw the case clear of the action. With the mag out that becomes WAY worse.
My late father use to say I was the only kid he knew who could break a crowbar!😁😂😁😂. Then, I see your heading! 🤣😏. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching. It sounds like we're possibly related. 😀
@@Militaryarmschannel lol. Lol.
The mag is only rated for 7 rounds. Not 8 rounds.
And forcing a mag, by beating it into the gun isn't going
to help the reliability.
Just saying...
Yeah that was a dumb move. If you have to beat the living shit out if it maybe just settle for 7 lmao
Tim, making us Marines proud 😁👊
Nothing is Marine proof, only resistant.
I'm just here for comments about the SVDs....
That's over now, Tim's probably already recovering
These little Berettas are great guns to have in the collection. Especially for beginners/young kids. I use several that I own whenever my nieces and nephews want to shoot. They're perfect for getting them started with the fundamentals, but without being intimidating for them in terms of recoil (they're 7, 9 & 10 years old).
If anyone gets a lemon MAC(Tim) will! 🙃😂
You're jinxed man ;-)
Just bought the 21a yesterday and then you release the video the day after dang it Tim