I use a Petzl new Rig for work and rescue, have used Grigri 1 & 2 before for rock climbing and positioning. now I use the Mammut Smart Alpine (8.7-10.5) for climbing. what I wished to see on the new Grigri, was the gate that is on the Rig, IDs and Stops side plate. I have seen people dropped their belay device while loading or unloading it. and it's an easy to drop thing.
Thanks, now i know what to watch out for with my 1st generation grigri, cross loading was big issue for me personally, when pared it with certain carabiners grigri bite into round carabiner and turned it, totally fixed it by buying edelrid hms though. 😃 Thanks to you I can continue using this for few more years without any worry. ❤
My tip: GriGri + is just fine, even with the smaller finger catch when you get proficient, and it will last forever. Put it in "Lead climbing" mode and leave it there forever if you are an experienced belayer, even for toproping as the extra grabby-ness of the TR mode is just unnecessary. My story: In 2018 I needed a GrGri (didn't have one), so I got the + because it was the newest, but I was relatively experienced so I quickly got annoyed with the anti-panic handle which makes it hard to lower if there is lots of friction like rope drag. When the new 2019 GriGri came out, I got one of those too as it handles a lot better and is lighter, but after not a ton of use the aluminum plate on the right is wearing down to the bare aluminum from the rope running during lowering. I've since decided the + isn't as annoying as it was before, and the steel plates on it make it so much more durable so I've gone back to largely using the GriGri + for gym climbing and cragging outdoors (sandy ropes wear gear even faster) as it's a tank. I save the new GriGri for multipitch or long approaches where weight matters.
I’ve been using a grigri 3 for lead rope solo and I’ve gotta say I’ve tried the grigri plus and the extra safety features were just a nuisance. I got dirt into the mode select feature and the “panic feature” made no sense to me, my impulse is always to let go of the handle to stop.
Great Vid. It's obvious that Petzl made the grigri+ in order to tap into the climbing gym market. As an indoor instructor and routesetter, most gyms absolutely refuse to put grigris on their top-rope stations. I'm convinced Petzl only created the plus to sell to gyms.
I’ve watched several of your videos this evening. I am really surprised you do not have more subscribers. Great content in every video I have watched. Any plans to visit RRG again?
Hi! What would you recommend to an inexperienced climber? Just started out, thinking of buying myself a GRIGRI but I’m not sure wether I should take the 2019 or the PLUS model. Currently I’m just doing toprope but I will have a lead climbing course in three weeks. So I better get at it and practice - question is: with which one? Thanks for your time!
Hi Vanessa, if you are motivated to learn and practice and have intention of lead climbing, I would personally go with the GRGRI (regular version). I think it's more suited to lead climbing and it's cheaper, lighter, and simpler. IMO, the PLUS version is really designed for guides or climbing walls where they are top roping a lot and constantly have an influx of beginner belayers. Hope that helps!
I've got an old GriGri (gen 1) that was handed down to me and is in great condition. Is it dangerous to use a slightly thinner rope (9.8mm) for sport climbing? i.e. will the auto-locking just not work, or is it actually fine and just a case of being extra careful when lowering as it could slip through fast?
Hi, not sure if my reply will help you now, but I'd be concerned with not just with using a skinner rope, but also how old your gen 1 device is. If I remember correctly, most PPE (harness, ropes) have a shelf life of 10 years, metal device is 15 years if I remember correctly. So if your grigri 1 was made in pre 2000s, it's well over 20 years by now. Grigri, unlike other tubular assisted baking devices (e.g. BD atc pilot, Edelrid Gigi jul) don't use a carabiner to create faction between the rope, carabiner and the ATC device, the whole thing happens internally, plus you hands holding the rope, if it's very slippery, mean easiler to have a longer fall even if you can hold onto the rope by youself. That just mean more risk. I'd say in the end of the day, you and your friends saftey is more important then risking using the grigri1 you've given, better off just get a updated and new device. :)
Unlike the comment above, I've been using a grigri1 that must be around 15 years old or so, but was as new when I started using it three years ago. Visually inspect it thoroughly and as long as there's no obvious flaw in it, then there's no cause for concern. Metal devices don't "by default" have a shelf life of 15 years; hard goods aren't like soft goods as in they don't generally tend to degrade over time (nylon, dyneema, etc). 9.8 would be fine. Make sure to use it as you would a tube-style device (ie proper brake hand positioning) and nothing go wrong. Mistakes only happen when people treat the grigri like a hands off device, which it isn't. I'm personally considering upgrading my grigri after buying a new 9.5 dry-treated rope that just screams through belay devices with little friction and I could use the added comfort of knowing that the new grigris are better for that. Previously I had used a non-dry 9.8 with the grigri and was never sketched out. As soon as the rope is even slightly used then it bites even better, no cause for concern! Tl;dr So yes, the auto-locking will still work with 9.8, but treat it (as you should) as if it didn't, by keeping a hand on the brake at all times. If the rope is real skinny or brand new, go easy on the lower and take your time.
Used a grigri 1 with a 9.5 rope. No issues at all being a bit focused. It slips a little bit, but actually better since it gives more dynamic catch. Maybe with 8.something ropes could be bad
The age of the Gri Gri is fine as long as it’s not overly worn out or damaged somehow. That thing (especially V1) has a nearly unlimited lifespan, meaning it doesn’t “expire” after a certain length of time has passed.
@@brianrodman1033 Thanks very much! I've since been using it on both an old 9.8 rope (not dry treated), 10.0 (not dry treated) and 10.3 (brand new, dry treated) and it works brilliant. Safe and also nice a smooth.
I'm torn between the GriGri and the Plus. My son will be belaying me which may push me to the plus for that safety feature. I've tried a friend's GriGri(3) and really liked it (though lowering a bit nervous). How is the plus for lead belaying paying out? When I've tried I've always used it like a bug/tube because that's what I know.
New to SRT . Which device would you say releases more smoothly from "braked" for self descent , or is there a smoother choice? Mad Rock Safeguard, Beal Birdie, etc.? Can't afford 'em all, so I need some expert advice. Using SRT for saddle hunting tree access. Thanks to all who opine!
@@anonymous_friend I have a Mad Rock Lifeguard. It is pretty much On/Off. Bought a Petzel Grigri+ , and love it. So very much smoother to release! I use it to lower myself when saddle hunting. May even start using SRT to hang stands, too. Highly recommended .Grigri+
Team Crooks Thanks man. What kind of rope and saddle do you have? im trying to figure out what to get for my first saddle hunting setup. I think I want to go with the Single rope system.
@@anonymous_friend Tethrd Phantom. Rope is Platinum by Teufelberger. Purchased from WesSpur Tree Equipment . Fantastic folks. Check out NY Saddle Hunters channel. Hunt safely , my Friend!
I use a Petzl new Rig for work and rescue, have used Grigri 1 & 2 before for rock climbing and positioning. now I use the Mammut Smart Alpine (8.7-10.5) for climbing.
what I wished to see on the new Grigri, was the gate that is on the Rig, IDs and Stops side plate. I have seen people dropped their belay device while loading or unloading it. and it's an easy to drop thing.
Thanks, now i know what to watch out for with my 1st generation grigri, cross loading was big issue for me personally, when pared it with certain carabiners grigri bite into round carabiner and turned it, totally fixed it by buying edelrid hms though. 😃 Thanks to you I can continue using this for few more years without any worry. ❤
All my grigri questions answer, finally. Thanks.
great thanks! glad it helped
Brilliant, thank you. Answers all the questions I wanted to know but was afraid to ask!
Great breakdown! Thank you for making this! :)
My pleasure!
My tip: GriGri + is just fine, even with the smaller finger catch when you get proficient, and it will last forever. Put it in "Lead climbing" mode and leave it there forever if you are an experienced belayer, even for toproping as the extra grabby-ness of the TR mode is just unnecessary.
My story: In 2018 I needed a GrGri (didn't have one), so I got the + because it was the newest, but I was relatively experienced so I quickly got annoyed with the anti-panic handle which makes it hard to lower if there is lots of friction like rope drag. When the new 2019 GriGri came out, I got one of those too as it handles a lot better and is lighter, but after not a ton of use the aluminum plate on the right is wearing down to the bare aluminum from the rope running during lowering. I've since decided the + isn't as annoying as it was before, and the steel plates on it make it so much more durable so I've gone back to largely using the GriGri + for gym climbing and cragging outdoors (sandy ropes wear gear even faster) as it's a tank. I save the new GriGri for multipitch or long approaches where weight matters.
good to hear and thanks for the feedback!!
This video helped me a lot. Thank you for that.
Glad it helped
This is awesome Gif! I learned everything I needed to know to make the best decision on which Grigri is best for me! THANK YOU :-)
Great! Thanks for watching!
Outstanding informative vid ... perfect ... well done sir!
Glad you liked it!
I’ve been using a grigri 3 for lead rope solo and I’ve gotta say I’ve tried the grigri plus and the extra safety features were just a nuisance. I got dirt into the mode select feature and the “panic feature” made no sense to me, my impulse is always to let go of the handle to stop.
I agree
Great Vid. It's obvious that Petzl made the grigri+ in order to tap into the climbing gym market. As an indoor instructor and routesetter, most gyms absolutely refuse to put grigris on their top-rope stations. I'm convinced Petzl only created the plus to sell to gyms.
They do? Every Vertical World gym in Seattle has a GriGri 2 or the new GriGri permanently attached to every TR.
Thanks for the review.
My pleasure!
Thanks for the video. Very helpful!
I’ve watched several of your videos this evening. I am really surprised you do not have more subscribers. Great content in every video I have watched. Any plans to visit RRG again?
Thanks Tim much appreciated! Sorry for the late reply...haha. Not sure when I'll be back at the Red.
Awesome vid bro!!! Finally!!!!
11:17 there is a small lizard moving in the leaves, more or less around his right shoulder
Hi! What would you recommend to an inexperienced climber? Just started out, thinking of buying myself a GRIGRI but I’m not sure wether I should take the 2019 or the PLUS model. Currently I’m just doing toprope but I will have a lead climbing course in three weeks. So I better get at it and practice - question is: with which one? Thanks for your time!
Hi Vanessa, if you are motivated to learn and practice and have intention of lead climbing, I would personally go with the GRGRI (regular version). I think it's more suited to lead climbing and it's cheaper, lighter, and simpler. IMO, the PLUS version is really designed for guides or climbing walls where they are top roping a lot and constantly have an influx of beginner belayers. Hope that helps!
now has a pinch and neox in the market.will u review them all?
Good review man! Thx
I've got an old GriGri (gen 1) that was handed down to me and is in great condition. Is it dangerous to use a slightly thinner rope (9.8mm) for sport climbing? i.e. will the auto-locking just not work, or is it actually fine and just a case of being extra careful when lowering as it could slip through fast?
Hi, not sure if my reply will help you now, but I'd be concerned with not just with using a skinner rope, but also how old your gen 1 device is.
If I remember correctly, most PPE (harness, ropes) have a shelf life of 10 years, metal device is 15 years if I remember correctly.
So if your grigri 1 was made in pre 2000s, it's well over 20 years by now.
Grigri, unlike other tubular assisted baking devices (e.g. BD atc pilot, Edelrid Gigi jul) don't use a carabiner to create faction between the rope, carabiner and the ATC device, the whole thing happens internally, plus you hands holding the rope, if it's very slippery, mean easiler to have a longer fall even if you can hold onto the rope by youself. That just mean more risk.
I'd say in the end of the day, you and your friends saftey is more important then risking using the grigri1 you've given, better off just get a updated and new device. :)
Unlike the comment above, I've been using a grigri1 that must be around 15 years old or so, but was as new when I started using it three years ago. Visually inspect it thoroughly and as long as there's no obvious flaw in it, then there's no cause for concern. Metal devices don't "by default" have a shelf life of 15 years; hard goods aren't like soft goods as in they don't generally tend to degrade over time (nylon, dyneema, etc).
9.8 would be fine. Make sure to use it as you would a tube-style device (ie proper brake hand positioning) and nothing go wrong. Mistakes only happen when people treat the grigri like a hands off device, which it isn't. I'm personally considering upgrading my grigri after buying a new 9.5 dry-treated rope that just screams through belay devices with little friction and I could use the added comfort of knowing that the new grigris are better for that. Previously I had used a non-dry 9.8 with the grigri and was never sketched out. As soon as the rope is even slightly used then it bites even better, no cause for concern!
Tl;dr So yes, the auto-locking will still work with 9.8, but treat it (as you should) as if it didn't, by keeping a hand on the brake at all times. If the rope is real skinny or brand new, go easy on the lower and take your time.
Used a grigri 1 with a 9.5 rope. No issues at all being a bit focused. It slips a little bit, but actually better since it gives more dynamic catch. Maybe with 8.something ropes could be bad
The age of the Gri Gri is fine as long as it’s not overly worn out or damaged somehow. That thing (especially V1) has a nearly unlimited lifespan, meaning it doesn’t “expire” after a certain length of time has passed.
@@brianrodman1033 Thanks very much! I've since been using it on both an old 9.8 rope (not dry treated), 10.0 (not dry treated) and 10.3 (brand new, dry treated) and it works brilliant. Safe and also nice a smooth.
I'm torn between the GriGri and the Plus. My son will be belaying me which may push me to the plus for that safety feature. I've tried a friend's GriGri(3) and really liked it (though lowering a bit nervous).
How is the plus for lead belaying paying out? When I've tried I've always used it like a bug/tube because that's what I know.
Worth adding my son is confident with the DMM Mantis and is reliably catching top-rope falls on it. He's not learned to lead belay yet.
Cheers Mate.
cheers!
Helpful, thank you!
I think you didn't mention if the Grigri 2019 has the anti-panic feature of the plus
it does not. just the plus has anti panic
@@GifZafred Thank you!
New to SRT . Which device would you say releases more smoothly from "braked" for self descent , or is there a smoother choice? Mad Rock Safeguard, Beal Birdie, etc.? Can't afford 'em all, so I need some expert advice. Using SRT for saddle hunting tree access. Thanks to all who opine!
What did you find out? I'm looking for the same info. You must have seen the same videos as me haha
@@anonymous_friend I have a Mad Rock Lifeguard. It is pretty much On/Off. Bought a Petzel Grigri+ , and love it. So very much smoother to release! I use it to lower myself when saddle hunting. May even start using SRT to hang stands, too. Highly recommended .Grigri+
Team Crooks Thanks man. What kind of rope and saddle do you have? im trying to figure out what to get for my first saddle hunting setup. I think I want to go with the Single rope system.
@@anonymous_friend Tethrd Phantom. Rope is Platinum by Teufelberger. Purchased from WesSpur Tree Equipment . Fantastic folks. Check out NY Saddle Hunters channel. Hunt safely , my Friend!
okay about the panic mode you can pull it back even further and it will start to give slack again
Which one do you like using for paying out slack with and which one do you like for lowering a climber?
I can pay out slack with any of them but I like the newest GRIGRI for lowering. Super smooth! Thanks for watching!
What I would wish for is the 2019 grigri with the anti panic function from the plus
that would be the best of both worlds! thanks for watching
You nailed it !! :-)
Thanks a lot for watching!!