thank you for sharing information on these regulators....mine just broke...should have just kept the windows up all the time as these regulators have been designed to fail after certain usage. And may I say sir, you have a very happy nature indeed! I'm giggling with you as I'm watching the video.
I understand your point of view, regarding the Gruber aluminum part to replace the plastics part that wears out, but at the same time they have invested CAD time and have expensive machinery. So even if the part will become a bit pricey it’s still cheaper than a brand new window regulator.
It's not the part price that is expensive it is the shipping. If they need to make more money on the part increase the part price, but don't charge almost $20 for shipping. At that point one can buy an aftermarket window regulator, at least for 2 out of the 4 doors, for somewhere between $60 to $90 and have all of it new. I also had the plastic pulley fail and the cable rip apart before.
Easy fix during the winter you must always preheat the car before a drive. Never had any problem and driving S since 2013 still original window regulators. Door handles was a different matter, but after Tesla changed the door handles, no more issues with the new once.
You're right pre-heat is important. Unfortunately it does not solve the problem with the window regulator failure. The window regulators fail in all climates not just in cold areas.
@@RMTFamily maybe so, but not 100% I live in Sweden and none of our 4 Tesla cars have ever had a broken window regulator and the oldest is 2013 and we drive it every day. Open and close the door several times a day Sommer and winter. But if California or Spain have this issue there is maybe something else involved.
You are lucky. No window regulator ever. Since that ferrel is made out of plastic as well as the pulleys I suspect heat will over time weaken the parts. How hot are your summers? Are your cars parked inside or in the shade in summer?
@@RMTFamily South of Sweden where I live has mostly 20 degrees Celsius in the summer, cars are parked outside no carport or shade. In the winter most of the days around 0. Even battery degradation har been low , in average 1% per year, more the first years and less now.
You live in the perfect climate. Not to hot or to cold. Here in Montana we have 0° too but Fahrenheit 😂 (minus 18° C). Also our summer temps are higher, around 25°C. For the passed 7 days we have been 35° to 40° every day. Luckily temps drop to around 18° C by around around 3 in the morning, but start climbing quickly again at 10AM. Battery degradation on our 2013 S with 322'000Km is just slightly higher, around 15%.
Very helpful, thanks. I will schedule my 2018 MS (only 64k km or about 40,000 miles on the odometer) for a full service and will ask them to check my window regulators. I know here in Hong Kong we don't get extreme lower temperatures, but there's no harm for them to be checked. Also, I noticed some bubbling on the edges of my MCU (I didn't notice it until I had to do a hard reset recently), and Tesla HK said they will replace my MCU when I schedule my next service.
Less extremes usually mean less problems. Not many Kilometers on your S. I guess unless you leave Hong Kong with the car you can’t go very far and rack up the Kilometers. To bad you’re MCU needs replaced. For some reason Tesla was never able, or wanted, to solve that issue. Glad you’re ok and hopefully you get over that nasty flu soon.
Good question. The Model S is one the cars that has had this consistently for years without any improvements to the regulator. There used to be a lot of cars with frameless windows until around the year 2000. Due to the many challenges or problems that come with such windows many automakers got away from it. Others, like Subaru are still doing it. I don't know of any other car that had window regulator failure like Tesla Model S for so long. If Tesla would have replaced the 2nd window trolley (where the cable attaches to) with a cast aluminum part and replaced the ferrel either with a larger stronger or aluminum part then we probably would not have these issues. All the other issues besides the breaking of regulator parts are also issues with other cars and are just a continuous problem of frameless windows. Tesla now has improved the regulators as seen on the Model 3 window regulator I showed. Slightly different design with 2 aluminum trolleys. We had our Model 3 for almost 6 years now and none of them broke.
Good to hear that the window problems were addressed on the high volume vehicles (3 and Y). While watching this, I was thinking there was a business opportunity for someone to rework the trolleys or make replacement parts, but if the newer ones don’t break. . . Agree the shipping for those ferrules is ridiculous. Might be worth a phone call to see if they made a mistake and will address? Price of ferrules would seem to be profitable enough.
Hi Dennis, A small business opportunity to make rear door window regulators for the S seems to still exist😉. One of our viewers called Gruber and they told him that is what it is.🤷♂️ Thank you for watching👍
@@RMTFamily - Hi Mike - you did say that Dorman only made front door module replacements, so agree there may be an opportunity for the rears, if they fail at a similar rate as the fronts. Must not have been a big enough business case for them.
Yes, they make the front left and right but no rear. I assume early on the fronts became a problem as those are most used and now with age the rear are failing too. I think your right, not a big enough business case with the relatively low number vehicles to start with and the now declining number of these Model S out there. I wish I had a lathe, I would make some ferrels and rebuild few regulators just for fun and make a couple bucks while doing so😉😀
One of you people who have a lathe can make some money by making aluminum or brass Farrell's to replace the plastic ones. It would be necessary to make it in two parts to be able to install it without taking the regulator completely apart.
I wish I had a lathe. I would already have made some. Interesting that you mention 2 piece ferrel. Gruber makes a single piece with a slot cut in it, to slide the cable in. Two pieces seems like more effort but there would be no slot.🤔
@@iowa_don Your comment means you didn’t watch the video! I clearly talked about that and point out that the shipping is rip off. $20 to ship 2 ferrules to MT. Two ferrules easily fit in a small envelope that mails for a couple dollars.
@@RMTFamily I was surprised at this late date, that you were talking about the OLD Model S regulators. I believe they were changed some years ago. Since I have a later Model S, I lost interest. I was also responding to @thomaslemay8817 who was bemoaning that someone did not make replacements out of metal. So apparently he did not watch the whole video either. Yes $20 shipping is outrageous, but far cheaper than new regulators.
@@iowa_don There are still thousands of these cars out there and many people still deal with these window regulator issues. The oldest Model S is barely 12 years old and with an average lifetime of about 20 years for a car there is a long time to go. Doorman makes new regulators for the front doors. These regulators are available at Parts stores for just $69 ( Also in the video😉) And since not only the ferrules break but also the plastic trolley, it's a better option to buy the aftermarket regulators for the front doors. Unfortunately the rear door regulators still have to be repaired.
Whilst (at the time) I would have bought an Edsel, I have felt the want for electric cars. They are made from fossil and charged by fossil fuels. Short of nuclear I cannot see at neutral emissions. To attempt to solve this, we need to go back to pre-indurised ways. We won't.
thank you for sharing information on these regulators....mine just broke...should have just kept the windows up all the time as these regulators have been designed to fail after certain usage. And may I say sir, you have a very happy nature indeed! I'm giggling with you as I'm watching the video.
I understand your point of view, regarding the Gruber aluminum part to replace the plastics part that wears out, but at the same time they have invested CAD time and have expensive machinery. So even if the part will become a bit pricey it’s still cheaper than a brand new window regulator.
It's not the part price that is expensive it is the shipping. If they need to make more money on the part increase the part price, but don't charge almost $20 for shipping. At that point one can buy an aftermarket window regulator, at least for 2 out of the 4 doors, for somewhere between $60 to $90 and have all of it new. I also had the plastic pulley fail and the cable rip apart before.
@@RMTFamily agree there strategy is wrong , the part is the value for the customer not the shipping…
Easy fix during the winter you must always preheat the car before a drive. Never had any problem and driving S since 2013 still original window regulators. Door handles was a different matter, but after Tesla changed the door handles, no more issues with the new once.
You're right pre-heat is important. Unfortunately it does not solve the problem with the window regulator failure. The window regulators fail in all climates not just in cold areas.
@@RMTFamily maybe so, but not 100% I live in Sweden and none of our 4 Tesla cars have ever had a broken window regulator and the oldest is 2013 and we drive it every day. Open and close the door several times a day Sommer and winter. But if California or Spain have this issue there is maybe something else involved.
You are lucky. No window regulator ever. Since that ferrel is made out of plastic as well as the pulleys I suspect heat will over time weaken the parts. How hot are your summers? Are your cars parked inside or in the shade in summer?
@@RMTFamily South of Sweden where I live has mostly 20 degrees Celsius in the summer, cars are parked outside no carport or shade. In the winter most of the days around 0. Even battery degradation har been low , in average 1% per year, more the first years and less now.
You live in the perfect climate. Not to hot or to cold. Here in Montana we have 0° too but Fahrenheit 😂 (minus 18° C). Also our summer temps are higher, around 25°C. For the passed 7 days we have been 35° to 40° every day. Luckily temps drop to around 18° C by around around 3 in the morning, but start climbing quickly again at 10AM.
Battery degradation on our 2013 S with 322'000Km is just slightly higher, around 15%.
Very helpful, thanks. I will schedule my 2018 MS (only 64k km or about 40,000 miles on the odometer) for a full service and will ask them to check my window regulators. I know here in Hong Kong we don't get extreme lower temperatures, but there's no harm for them to be checked. Also, I noticed some bubbling on the edges of my MCU (I didn't notice it until I had to do a hard reset recently), and Tesla HK said they will replace my MCU when I schedule my next service.
Less extremes usually mean less problems. Not many Kilometers on your S. I guess unless you leave Hong Kong with the car you can’t go very far and rack up the Kilometers. To bad you’re MCU needs replaced. For some reason Tesla was never able, or wanted, to solve that issue.
Glad you’re ok and hopefully you get over that nasty flu soon.
Unfortunately you sound like an expert! Do other frameless window cars have the same problems?
Good question. The Model S is one the cars that has had this consistently for years without any improvements to the regulator. There used to be a lot of cars with frameless windows until around the year 2000. Due to the many challenges or problems that come with such windows many automakers got away from it. Others, like Subaru are still doing it. I don't know of any other car that had window regulator failure like Tesla Model S for so long. If Tesla would have replaced the 2nd window trolley (where the cable attaches to) with a cast aluminum part and replaced the ferrel either with a larger stronger or aluminum part then we probably would not have these issues. All the other issues besides the breaking of regulator parts are also issues with other cars and are just a continuous problem of frameless windows.
Tesla now has improved the regulators as seen on the Model 3 window regulator I showed. Slightly different design with 2 aluminum trolleys. We had our Model 3 for almost 6 years now and none of them broke.
Good to hear that the window problems were addressed on the high volume vehicles (3 and Y). While watching this, I was thinking there was a business opportunity for someone to rework the trolleys or make replacement parts, but if the newer ones don’t break. . . Agree the shipping for those ferrules is ridiculous. Might be worth a phone call to see if they made a mistake and will address? Price of ferrules would seem to be profitable enough.
Hi Dennis, A small business opportunity to make rear door window regulators for the S seems to still exist😉.
One of our viewers called Gruber and they told him that is what it is.🤷♂️
Thank you for watching👍
@@RMTFamily - Hi Mike - you did say that Dorman only made front door module replacements, so agree there may be an opportunity for the rears, if they fail at a similar rate as the fronts. Must not have been a big enough business case for them.
Yes, they make the front left and right but no rear. I assume early on the fronts became a problem as those are most used and now with age the rear are failing too. I think your right, not a big enough business case with the relatively low number vehicles to start with and the now declining number of these Model S out there.
I wish I had a lathe, I would make some ferrels and rebuild few regulators just for fun and make a couple bucks while doing so😉😀
One of you people who have a lathe can make some money by making aluminum or brass Farrell's to replace the plastic ones. It would be necessary to make it in two parts to be able to install it without taking the regulator completely apart.
I wish I had a lathe. I would already have made some.
Interesting that you mention 2 piece ferrel. Gruber makes a single piece with a slot cut in it, to slide the cable in. Two pieces seems like more effort but there would be no slot.🤔
@@iowa_don Your comment means you didn’t watch the video! I clearly talked about that and point out that the shipping is rip off. $20 to ship 2 ferrules to MT. Two ferrules easily fit in a small envelope that mails for a couple dollars.
@@RMTFamily I was surprised at this late date, that you were talking about the OLD Model S regulators. I believe they were changed some years ago. Since I have a later Model S, I lost interest. I was also responding to @thomaslemay8817 who was bemoaning that someone did not make replacements out of metal. So apparently he did not watch the whole video either. Yes $20 shipping is outrageous, but far cheaper than new regulators.
@@iowa_don There are still thousands of these cars out there and many people still deal with these window regulator issues. The oldest Model S is barely 12 years old and with an average lifetime of about 20 years for a car there is a long time to go.
Doorman makes new regulators for the front doors. These regulators are available at Parts stores for just $69 ( Also in the video😉) And since not only the ferrules break but also the plastic trolley, it's a better option to buy the aftermarket regulators for the front doors. Unfortunately the rear door regulators still have to be repaired.
I replaced some of that type regulator before in other cars.
Very informative! Thanks!
Excellent info. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Whilst (at the time) I would have bought an Edsel, I have felt the want for electric cars. They are made from fossil and charged by fossil fuels. Short of nuclear I cannot see at neutral emissions. To attempt to solve this, we need to go back to pre-indurised ways. We won't.
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