That's a good one! I remember that, crafted it day one and almost never played it. I did play lots of the cards in this video though and some of them were really good.
I wasn't thinking it was a super good card, my thought was "It seems good on aggro demon hunter, it's just another way to remove taunt" it was good on aggro demon hunter...
Maiev was a good card. There was a card with the same stat line that had freeze, so it was nearly as good (better against heroes that use weapons) and a common, so it saw more play in aggro.
its kind of funny how those "overrated" priest cards saw play on almost every priest deck of that time and I can personally say that they were actually good priest cards.
For Lazul, yes. I think she was rated about 4 Stars and she was great in Highlander, and sometimes Galakrond Priest. Chameleos on the other hand was terrible ^^
@@bisalissy3846 yeah true, but even chameleos saw play in thief/copy priest, but did see lot less play compared to lazul. But when we talk about overrated card where is that bishop that killed your minions and made 4/4
@@edwardfontaine7108 yes if you look average meta % of the class for all these years it was almost always priest and shaman with lowest %, but priest still had moments when it was top tier class of some points of meta.
Remember how Priest Questline was considered by some to be really good It's an alternative win card for a class that can survive long But playing tempo perfectly is pretty hard and compared to other quests you don't do much until you finish it and even after too
I have not been following HS when people were predicting the questlines, so idk which once were the most hyped, but priest's questline is exactly what you would expect it to be. Very good win condition for a control priest. Only issue is control is unplayable now and looks like for the forseeable future.
Boulderfist Ogre is OBVIOUSLY not overrated - obviously way too powerful for the Core Set! ....But I remember some people freaking out over Seek Guidance.
Part of it was it was the first Quest revealed. If it was the last, it would be pretty obvious how slow it is. They know what they're doing. Always reveal the aggro crap last so people get excited about the slow stuff.
Can't wait for underrated cards Maybe Anetheron will be there Since it's the opposite of flashy effect and everyone talked how legendary just discounting itself is boring
I don’t know what you’re on about mate, everyone in the hearthstone discord were super hyped over it and it definitely lived up to the hype. Being a core card in evenlock and some non-even warlock decks, as well as almost all meta decks in standard.
Varian Wrynn is played in handbuff paladin and does exactly what you would expect there. Also cards like Varian and maybe Cornelius as well will be instantly in every single deck if the meta ever switches to more control deck playstyle. Don't blame the card for the shitty someone wins by turn 7 meta we have now.
Varian's main issue is that unless you can consistently pull taunts, or charges, he's a 10 mana do nothing, which can really hurt against an already good board.
Embiggen Dragon Druid was a legitimately good deck that ran Kinddleroost. They basically comboed to a Keleseth that discounted your cards/ double buffed them.
Scabbs is still insane in wild, it enables the whole storm archetype with pillager and that has been a staple for as long as scabbs has existed, at minium tier 3 in each meta analysis. Dragon consort was a staple at its time, wtf are you talking about there. I agree on the rest.
dragon paladin wasn't that good at the time, paladin had a lot of midrange at the time with stuf like shielded minibot, muster for battle, equality + consecration, etc. it nowhere near a staple, if you look up you can find posts and articles reporting how dragon consort felt underwhelming
@@TheVictor126 its obvious u didnt play it xD i went legend for the first time with dragon paladin and playing consort on 5 and chromaggus on 6 was definitely GG
@@Xown3dX74 if the deck was good anyone could reach legend with it, but for only a couple of people to reach legend doesn't mean it's a good card or deck or else, mill rogue was the best deck in the game because I reached legend with it aswell...
And ask yourself, is spectral pillager rogue meta defining? No. Even though the deck has potential to otk opponent in early terms, it's weak against aggro (e.g. shadow priest) and combo destructing deck (e.g. battlecry shaman), which are 2 very popular deck types dominating the wild ladder at the moment. To answer the question, is scabbs good? Yes. But was it overrated? Yes as well.
I won a Masters Qualifier due to a deck I built that had Revenge of the Wild in it. Funny thing is that the deck didn't go anywhere near the meta back then.
Cannonmaster Smythe is one that people were hyping up alot and did see a little play before Secret Paladin got nerfed but it quickly got cut. It's a card that sounds good on paper but requires too much setup to get value from and removing your secrets can also potentially screw you over if you draw into a secret synergy card or if you get rid of a secret that can help you against your opponent.
@@Dulibar I also didn't think it would be that good when it released. It seemed like the kind of card that would only be good if you were already winning the game and even then, only when played on curve.
i love these history videos, keep up the good work. its really nice to look back, because personally i dont play constructed anymore, but im still kinda interested
The most overrated card in my opinion is "Glide" from Demon Hunter. Back when it was announced everybody thought this card was going to single handedly destroy every single control deck in the game. Some even saying they were quitting if that card was printed as is. But turns out a "4 mana draw 4, but refuel your opponent bc this is usually your last card in your hand" was absolutely terrible against every single aggro deck and against value/control decks (that basically were non existant already) it didn't do anything because it came down at a point where your opponent already played a bunch of their cards. So yeah, I think Glide was the absolute most overrated card ever. Hyped to superlative only to never see much play because it sucked against aggro.
Still remember saying that people were overreacting to that card, obviously I got called a noob that doesn't understand hand disruption power etc. etc.
Glide wasn't a bad effect and there were decks that would've liked the card. The problem with Glide I think is the fact it's an outcast card. Slower DH decks hate outcast as cards get stuck easier in their hands and they can't fire off the outcast effect reliably. Without outcast, Glide is too slow for 4 mana and doesn't even do what you want most of the time - disrupt your opponent. In the end, Glide was most relevant in DH Quest decks.
now your comment doesn't make sense, because we know that glide was a really good card in every questline-based demon hunter deck. card can't be bad if it creates powerful synergies and decks using that card were several times nerfed (ilgynoth, brute, moarg)
I still hate Glide, it might be bad against other aggro decks, but man does it feel shit to have your good 8 card hand threw out of the window, because the opponent played a card.
People over or undervalue cards because their focus is heavily dependant on the current meta. That's thinking in the short term. All it takes is one card or expansion to breath life into something that was once forgotten. Keleseth, crabrider, Incanter's flow, maestra, darkglare, freeze shaman, and more were over/undervalued and didn't become meta until later.
The discard deck was actually pretty good back in the day. Maybe not an s-tier unstoppable deck like quest warlock, day one Demon Hunter, etc... ...but it was surprisingly good if you knew how to pilot it - once all the discard synergy pieces were released into the game over time. You had a bunch of cards that went into play when discarded or put out a body when discarded; there was recursion to some extent; and once you actually managed to get the portal out... the game was pretty much over against most decks. I was super skeptical of that deck and wanted to try it for fun way back in 2015 or whatever. The first iteration was awful. But then it got a few extra pieces and was actually pretty consistent. It was a much much lower power level in those days though.
Scabs was ineffective in my opinon solely due to kazakus, it has more value that wouldn’t let you play other 4 drops so that killed scabs but sees play when that specific isn’t in the deck.
people quickly learned that knowing what your opponent has in there hand isnt very important when you know every card your opponent is going to play as soon as they match up with you
It's OP to know what enemies have in hand if you are playing against some control decks. The problem with Madam Lazul and Chamelion was aggro decks - you don't need aggro cards and you know all information without these cards. In tournaments, you already know what opp have in the deck to remove almost all value of these cards.
Actually don't think it's that good to know what the opponent has in hand in Hearthstone. If you are playing lets say Magic, then that sort of a card could single handedly win you the game, but HS is much simpler game, so it doesn't even affect your decision making much. The decks that can utilize hand knowledge the most are agro decks, but those decks can't afford to pay for the knowledge...
i think one of the problems is that most of them seem overhyped by standars now. I remember quite good how Queen Carnassa or Barnabus were actually very strong decks with a few gimmicks or that the discard quest was quite fun because the idea of the classes back then was more railroaded , smorc Ranger was super common or discardlock had good support. I think most of these are just poorly aged cards rather then overhyped
Discolock was far better without the quest than with it. Barnabus was purely meme, it folded to all the aggressive strategies at the time, without being able to deal with the really big decks. So many people tried to make Carnassa a thing, yet it was always just so much worse than Crystal Core. Like, it's a joke to compare those decks.
Funny enough, Scabbs was Overrated, but he's actually seeing far more play in Wild than he saw in Standard, because he enables so many crazy combos. Hell, if I didn't know better, I'd think he was Danehearth's favorite Rogue card.
While this is a good retrospective, it ignores an important factor - supporting cards. A card can be great but just not have the support it needs to work. Best example of this is Drakonid operative. The card is objectively good, but the other dragon priest cards were weak so the deck just didn't work. And I think this is true of several cards you mentioned. Revenge of the wild would have been very good in Classic. And same with Scabbs Cutterbutter - there were several metas in which it would have been great - just not the one it was released in.
Awesome video. Definitely do underrated cards please! Also, please do a video on the best and worst nerfs and buffs, and also the nerfs and buffs that got unnerfed and unbuffed e.g. Luna's Pocket Galaxy got buffed and then renerfed again
Some of these are good picks like Marsh Queen and Revenge of the Wild, both were very hyped and ended up pretty bad. But Frizz was really highly played even after release and Lazul was a control priest auto include basically the entire time it was in standard.
The most overacted card of all time has to be Maiev Shadowsong. Spellbreaker was a staple the expansion before and was getting rotated out, and the general consensus was that Maiev was going to be a much stronger version of spellbreaker. I have never seen the card played once.
It's funny to hear you say this about Scabbs because in Wild Scabbs is a pillar of wht a lot of rogues do, like what Danehearth does day in and day out with his wacky invewntions
I'll be honest. Madame Lazuli being so shockingly bad is still surprising. Discover a card has always been close to as good as drawing a card (maybe worth drawing .75 cards or so). It makes sense, then, that discovering a card out of a pool of cards that people actively chose to put in there deck should be a lot better. Which should mean that Madame Lazuli is a 3 mana 3/2 draw a card that doesn't push you into fatigue, and on top of that, you also get some nifty information, which is a good card. It turns out though, that discovering a card from your opponents hand actually tends to be worse than discovering a random card. This seems very counterintuitive, but really what tends to happen is that in match ups where you really want to discover answers (the aggro ones), there deck is full of proactive threats and cards that make creatures better (which you don't want), and in match ups where you want to discover proactive threats (the control match ups) you are far more likely to discover answers (which you probably don't want). This also doesn't even take into consideration all the times your opponent has less than 3 cards in hand, which also makes Lazuli much worse.
I think you're wrong mate, yes matchups is a big factor with this card but.... i got more memories of getting an extra reno or nzoth with this card rather then discovering a really bad card.
The fact madame Lazuli was bad shows how much this game has a really limited player interaction. Player just play whatever they have on theirs cookie clicker deck and barely make any decision what so ever. Having information about 3 cards of your opponent should be a huge deal, but it isn't cause who cares, you're going to do your thing and your opponent either does his own thing but has it sooner or has the perfect answers to destroy your gimmick and you ff. that it. I'm still surprised i didn't find any video about a man coding a bot and made every move the bot told him to and reach legend in a matter of days.
The guy who downplayed Dr. Boom saying "he's no Troggzor" really isn't ever going to live that down. I don't even remember his name but I remember him saying that line. Also Jungle Giants was very mediocre on ladder but I remember it seeing substantial tournament use, due it being used often in "easy big, easy druid" decks. Doesn't matter if it sucks against 60% of the meta when you only need one win and can predict which deck you'll face.
abuwt, uwt, gotta love canadians ^^ banter aside your video's are fun and original ! i loved the "do you know hs" series. seeing the ogs like thijs(kolento), rdu, allie, etc etc was just great :)
Jungle Giants was fun to play. Not the most powerful quest that's obvious but fun regardless The beauty of this deck is to have a lot of 5 atk minions between 3 and 6 mana (and until Kobold and Catacombs you have those options if you search) cost and the fact that deathrattle when it summons a 5 atk minion count in the quest. Imagine how funny it was to combo that with both Cenarius and N'Zoth, ultimate infestation and you have a difficult deck to play but consistent once you made the adjustments. I still agree with your take : it's hard to pull off but for me that was the beauty of quest lines back in Un goro
Cho'gall was thought to be insane. Ended up being unplayable. Just didn't work with a late-game Warlock deck - it had anti-synergy with stuff like Hellfire and Twisting Nether, and even playing a 7 drop into something like Siphon where you had to lose health late game wasn't worth just playing Siphon alone and something else cheap. Managerie Warden also looked completely broken when it was revealed. Everyone expected Beast Druid would be Tier 1 because of it. It wasn't good.
I don't know, man... You say that Lazul and Chameleos are overrated, but their strength depends on skill level. If you are an insane machine level god hearthstone player and you can deduce what cards your opponent has in hand, the value of those drops drastically. I wasn't one, and I really put the extra information to good use at the time. They got quickly outclassed by other cards, but for a short while they were DEFINITELY worth it.
I like how people usually uses Trump as the guy who over hypes cards, but in fact he's usually the one with the best ratings... but there was indeed some ones that he totally got wrong, I think the best case was Magtheridon, where everyone while in live was saying to him that the card was trash, and he firmly was saying that it would be played in every single control Warlock/Warrior...
The issue with the marsh queen was not the reward, but skipping turn 1 as an deck with a lpt of 1 drops.. for getting a reward that comes turn 5 or later (a face hunter that used his turn 1 would have decided the game by then)
madam lazul vs old illucia...ehm :DD also compare old quests where you had to rebuild your whole deck around it vs new quests where you just add quest to already existing and working archetype with no downside, to spell mage, pirate warior, handlock and insanely boost it
Juicy Psychmelon belongs towards the top of this list. Remember the copypasta “it’s a four mana sprint that tutors”? Turned out to be trash in except for Star Aligned druid in wild
Dragon Consort was the main reason for Dragon Paladin to be a thing. It was a great card and not overrated. It got powercrept over time but when it first released it was a good card. Lazul is also a good card, 3 mana 3/2 discover a card would be good enough anyway. I don't think she was ever considered broken or anything and she saw play if priest saw play. Looking at the overrated cards I think Varian is the number one. Everyone thought that would be too strong.
while i think most of the points of this video are spot on i kinda disagree on 2 minor things:1) frizz kindleroost turned to be a staple in dragon druid wich was a solid t2 deck wich makes it y overrated but not as the other cards mentioned here 2) dragon consort was hyped insanely because the community assumed we would have gotten other dragon paladin cards since paladin wasnt on a good spot in the metagame(similar situation to when purify came out)in fact as soon as the other cards got revealed the hype died for paladin so dragon consort got overrated but only till all the pala cards got revealed and we saw no other dragon
I will not stand for Jungle Giants slander! I will not! I have a NZoth Taunt Druid that utilizes the quest in wild that is sitting at like a 55% winrate after about 250 games. Very fun deck imo, especially if anyone is like me and enjoys just dumping big ol’ boys for no mana
i still to this day, do not understand why burly rockjaw trogg isn't good. it looks broken even now. maybe its just the upfront cost because that new trogg they printed was nerfed in no time and is still pretty good in aggro decks.
I would like to point out that The Marsh Queen questline has actually gotten pretty solid from where it was at a while back. With the new, more powerful 1 drops being printed and the un-nerfing of starving buzzard that is. (Also Warsong Wrangler)
Hand information is much more important in a game like say, magic. In hearthstone it's nice? But nowhere near as important when you can't interact on the other persons turn.
I remember when One Night in Karazhan was spoiled, Firebat was complaining about how insane Menagerie Warden is, playing Stranglethorn Tiger on 5 and Warden on 6. And I thought "lol ok, so what?"
Frizz definitely wasn’t an overrated card at the time, she saw play in dragon Hunter and Druid. The “not drawing her on curve” argument for saying she’s bad could apply to a number of different cards as well and doesn’t really describe how good a card is. It’s more of a skill issue of you not drawing into it on curve than the card being bad.
Nah the card was bad and literally felt like playing a 4 mana 5/4 if u didn't draw it on 4. It also didnt win u the game like Keleseth did if u played it on curve
Overrated card? These are incomparable to all the Mage cards nowadays, the problem is not just one cards, it’s ALL the cards in the deck and so synergies with each other and makes them SO INSANE.
@@Rarran Don't be sorry! The new content has been absolutely fantastic and I understand it takes a lot of work to get them together. Excited for the next stream, I'll be there POGGERS in hand
Maiev Shadowsong is another overrated card. Some UA-camrs were saying this was a day one craft, but I don't remember seeing it in play that much.
That's a good one! I remember that, crafted it day one and almost never played it. I did play lots of the cards in this video though and some of them were really good.
I wasn't thinking it was a super good card, my thought was "It seems good on aggro demon hunter, it's just another way to remove taunt" it was good on aggro demon hunter...
Maiev was a good card. There was a card with the same stat line that had freeze, so it was nearly as good (better against heroes that use weapons) and a common, so it saw more play in aggro.
its kind of funny how those "overrated" priest cards saw play on almost every priest deck of that time and I can personally say that they were actually good priest cards.
For Lazul, yes. I think she was rated about 4 Stars and she was great in Highlander, and sometimes Galakrond Priest. Chameleos on the other hand was terrible ^^
@@bisalissy3846 yeah true, but even chameleos saw play in thief/copy priest, but did see lot less play compared to lazul. But when we talk about overrated card where is that bishop that killed your minions and made 4/4
Yeah, I really like the concept of these videos, but from his opinions on cards and balance I think he has only 1ķ hours and plays casual
Wasn't Priest, historically, one of the weaker classes in the entire game?
@@edwardfontaine7108 yes if you look average meta % of the class for all these years it was almost always priest and shaman with lowest %, but priest still had moments when it was top tier class of some points of meta.
Remember how Priest Questline was considered by some to be really good
It's an alternative win card for a class that can survive long
But playing tempo perfectly is pretty hard and compared to other quests you don't do much until you finish it and even after too
To be honest I think the priest questline was a victim of the other questlines just killing the opponent faster.
I have not been following HS when people were predicting the questlines, so idk which once were the most hyped, but priest's questline is exactly what you would expect it to be. Very good win condition for a control priest. Only issue is control is unplayable now and looks like for the forseeable future.
Boulderfist Ogre is OBVIOUSLY not overrated - obviously way too powerful for the Core Set!
....But I remember some people freaking out over Seek Guidance.
Part of it was it was the first Quest revealed. If it was the last, it would be pretty obvious how slow it is. They know what they're doing. Always reveal the aggro crap last so people get excited about the slow stuff.
Can't wait for underrated cards
Maybe Anetheron will be there
Since it's the opposite of flashy effect and everyone talked how legendary just discounting itself is boring
I don’t know what you’re on about mate, everyone in the hearthstone discord were super hyped over it and it definitely lived up to the hype. Being a core card in evenlock and some non-even warlock decks, as well as almost all meta decks in standard.
People still don't understand how insane a 1 mana 8/6 is in a class with Raise Dead.
It was boring. The thing is, many boring cards are playable. But do they get people excited? No.
How has nobody mentioned Varian Wrynn yet? This was the most hyped card before he came out, and nearly instantly it turned into nothing but crickets.
Varian Wrynn is played in handbuff paladin and does exactly what you would expect there. Also cards like Varian and maybe Cornelius as well will be instantly in every single deck if the meta ever switches to more control deck playstyle. Don't blame the card for the shitty someone wins by turn 7 meta we have now.
@@LordKeram Varian Wrynn is a Warrior card my guy
@@RandomBlake2564 Ah I thought you meant the new Varian card.
@@LordKeram Yea I didnt even know that card existed haha, haven't played in so long. Thats cool to see a Curator/Ashmore effect thats viable though.
Varian's main issue is that unless you can consistently pull taunts, or charges, he's a 10 mana do nothing, which can really hurt against an already good board.
Embiggen Dragon Druid was a legitimately good deck that ran Kinddleroost. They basically comboed to a Keleseth that discounted your cards/ double buffed them.
Yeah that's the deck I ran mostly during that expac and I had the exact same thought.
This must be geared towards standard, because scabbs is absolutely nuts in tons of wild rogue decks.
all my videos are unless i say its for wild
@@Rarran good to know
Yeah I was about to say, Rarran must’ve been high saying that Scabbs is an overrated card unless he was talking exclusively about Standard.
Countess Ashmore anyone? That was supposed to be an auto include in every deck, yet it barely saw play at all.
I got it from my 20 packs when i began to play. I thought that I am happiest person in the world. Dust it in two weeks after no deck played it(
Scabbs is still insane in wild, it enables the whole storm archetype with pillager and that has been a staple for as long as scabbs has existed, at minium tier 3 in each meta analysis.
Dragon consort was a staple at its time, wtf are you talking about there.
I agree on the rest.
dragon paladin wasn't that good at the time, paladin had a lot of midrange at the time with stuf like shielded minibot, muster for battle, equality + consecration, etc. it nowhere near a staple, if you look up you can find posts and articles reporting how dragon consort felt underwhelming
Well its for standard unless stated for wild...
@@TheVictor126 its obvious u didnt play it xD i went legend for the first time with dragon paladin and playing consort on 5 and chromaggus on 6 was definitely GG
I agree i said exactly the same when i was watching xD
@@Xown3dX74 if the deck was good anyone could reach legend with it, but for only a couple of people to reach legend doesn't mean it's a good card or deck
or else, mill rogue was the best deck in the game because I reached legend with it aswell...
Disagree with scabbs its definitely a monster in the spectral pillager deck
And ask yourself, is spectral pillager rogue meta defining? No. Even though the deck has potential to otk opponent in early terms, it's weak against aggro (e.g. shadow priest) and combo destructing deck (e.g. battlecry shaman), which are 2 very popular deck types dominating the wild ladder at the moment.
To answer the question, is scabbs good? Yes. But was it overrated? Yes as well.
@@zero-lifespan yea
I won a Masters Qualifier due to a deck I built that had Revenge of the Wild in it. Funny thing is that the deck didn't go anywhere near the meta back then.
Cannonmaster Smythe is one that people were hyping up alot and did see a little play before Secret Paladin got nerfed but it quickly got cut.
It's a card that sounds good on paper but requires too much setup to get value from and removing your secrets can also potentially screw you over if you draw into a secret synergy card or if you get rid of a secret that can help you against your opponent.
Thank you for this comment. I thought that this card would be overrated, but got downvotes on every discussion
@@Dulibar I also didn't think it would be that good when it released. It seemed like the kind of card that would only be good if you were already winning the game and even then, only when played on curve.
Scabbs is exactly as powerful as he was hyped up to be. Just not in standard.
He definitely does not deserve to be on this list.
Nobody plays wild
@@brush5004 Lol. Lmao.
@@brush5004 wild > standard
@@imsorrydave9000 HAHAHA
i love these history videos, keep up the good work. its really nice to look back, because personally i dont play constructed anymore, but im still kinda interested
For a moment I thought trump posted a hearthstone video
ikr hahah
Same 😁
The most overrated card in my opinion is "Glide" from Demon Hunter. Back when it was announced everybody thought this card was going to single handedly destroy every single control deck in the game. Some even saying they were quitting if that card was printed as is. But turns out a "4 mana draw 4, but refuel your opponent bc this is usually your last card in your hand" was absolutely terrible against every single aggro deck and against value/control decks (that basically were non existant already) it didn't do anything because it came down at a point where your opponent already played a bunch of their cards. So yeah, I think Glide was the absolute most overrated card ever. Hyped to superlative only to never see much play because it sucked against aggro.
Still remember saying that people were overreacting to that card, obviously I got called a noob that doesn't understand hand disruption power etc. etc.
wdym glide saw play in otk dh
Glide wasn't a bad effect and there were decks that would've liked the card. The problem with Glide I think is the fact it's an outcast card. Slower DH decks hate outcast as cards get stuck easier in their hands and they can't fire off the outcast effect reliably. Without outcast, Glide is too slow for 4 mana and doesn't even do what you want most of the time - disrupt your opponent.
In the end, Glide was most relevant in DH Quest decks.
now your comment doesn't make sense, because we know that glide was a really good card in every questline-based demon hunter deck. card can't be bad if it creates powerful synergies and decks using that card were several times nerfed (ilgynoth, brute, moarg)
I still hate Glide, it might be bad against other aggro decks, but man does it feel shit to have your good 8 card hand threw out of the window, because the opponent played a card.
People over or undervalue cards because their focus is heavily dependant on the current meta. That's thinking in the short term. All it takes is one card or expansion to breath life into something that was once forgotten. Keleseth, crabrider, Incanter's flow, maestra, darkglare, freeze shaman, and more were over/undervalued and didn't become meta until later.
The discard deck was actually pretty good back in the day. Maybe not an s-tier unstoppable deck like quest warlock, day one Demon Hunter, etc...
...but it was surprisingly good if you knew how to pilot it - once all the discard synergy pieces were released into the game over time.
You had a bunch of cards that went into play when discarded or put out a body when discarded; there was recursion to some extent; and once you actually managed to get the portal out... the game was pretty much over against most decks.
I was super skeptical of that deck and wanted to try it for fun way back in 2015 or whatever. The first iteration was awful. But then it got a few extra pieces and was actually pretty consistent.
It was a much much lower power level in those days though.
Scabs was ineffective in my opinon solely due to kazakus, it has more value that wouldn’t let you play other 4 drops so that killed scabs but sees play when that specific isn’t in the deck.
people quickly learned that knowing what your opponent has in there hand isnt very important when you know every card your opponent is going to play as soon as they match up with you
I don't remember people hyping up jungle giants that much tbh
First hunter quest… Lifecoach basically left the scene because he was so certain it was going to break the game
2:28 while overrated in regular hearthstone this card is absolutely insane in duels and I find it the only way to play warlock in duels
Plenty of ways to play warlock in duels
It's OP to know what enemies have in hand if you are playing against some control decks. The problem with Madam Lazul and Chamelion was aggro decks - you don't need aggro cards and you know all information without these cards. In tournaments, you already know what opp have in the deck to remove almost all value of these cards.
Actually don't think it's that good to know what the opponent has in hand in Hearthstone. If you are playing lets say Magic, then that sort of a card could single handedly win you the game, but HS is much simpler game, so it doesn't even affect your decision making much. The decks that can utilize hand knowledge the most are agro decks, but those decks can't afford to pay for the knowledge...
A lot of these cards ended up living up to the hype when they were used in the wild.
The problem with scabbs is that by the time you can do something interesting with him your opponent has almost killed you and controls the board.
In wild you can OTK turns 5-6 with Scabbs and Spirit of the Shark + Spectral Pillager
i think one of the problems is that most of them seem overhyped by standars now. I remember quite good how Queen Carnassa or Barnabus were actually very strong decks with a few gimmicks or that the discard quest was quite fun because the idea of the classes back then was more railroaded , smorc Ranger was super common or discardlock had good support. I think most of these are just poorly aged cards rather then overhyped
Discolock was far better without the quest than with it. Barnabus was purely meme, it folded to all the aggressive strategies at the time, without being able to deal with the really big decks. So many people tried to make Carnassa a thing, yet it was always just so much worse than Crystal Core. Like, it's a joke to compare those decks.
Bro if you think carnassa was ever any good you didnt ever pass Rank 20 at the time. It was fun, but absolutly useless
Funny enough, Scabbs was Overrated, but he's actually seeing far more play in Wild than he saw in Standard, because he enables so many crazy combos. Hell, if I didn't know better, I'd think he was Danehearth's favorite Rogue card.
I imagine we are talking about standard, because Scabbs in wild is *Disgusting*
While this is a good retrospective, it ignores an important factor - supporting cards. A card can be great but just not have the support it needs to work. Best example of this is Drakonid operative. The card is objectively good, but the other dragon priest cards were weak so the deck just didn't work. And I think this is true of several cards you mentioned. Revenge of the wild would have been very good in Classic. And same with Scabbs Cutterbutter - there were several metas in which it would have been great - just not the one it was released in.
Awesome video. Definitely do underrated cards please! Also, please do a video on the best and worst nerfs and buffs, and also the nerfs and buffs that got unnerfed and unbuffed e.g. Luna's Pocket Galaxy got buffed and then renerfed again
Wrong on Scabbs for sure, the goal was to bounce him back for tempo or play the copy potion that now costs 1 mana thanks to Scabbs
Yea but it still sucked in that way too cuz it's just too much cheese for wasted tempo
bro my main deck is literally frizz + dragons with jungle giants
😂 this is awkward
Some of these are good picks like Marsh Queen and Revenge of the Wild, both were very hyped and ended up pretty bad. But Frizz was really highly played even after release and Lazul was a control priest auto include basically the entire time it was in standard.
Lab Recruiter from Boomsday project was so overhyped
You're right
The most overacted card of all time has to be Maiev Shadowsong. Spellbreaker was a staple the expansion before and was getting rotated out, and the general consensus was that Maiev was going to be a much stronger version of spellbreaker. I have never seen the card played once.
bro, i even wrote maiev down on the list of cards to talk about. Def should have been in this video
maiev was literally played by everyone and their moms
@@alihorda in outland. it fell off HARD, and now you rarely see it.
@@DCDsauce now yes, but you wrote 'I have never seen that card played once', which is simply not true
It's funny to hear you say this about Scabbs because in Wild Scabbs is a pillar of wht a lot of rogues do, like what Danehearth does day in and day out with his wacky invewntions
I'll be honest. Madame Lazuli being so shockingly bad is still surprising. Discover a card has always been close to as good as drawing a card (maybe worth drawing .75 cards or so). It makes sense, then, that discovering a card out of a pool of cards that people actively chose to put in there deck should be a lot better. Which should mean that Madame Lazuli is a 3 mana 3/2 draw a card that doesn't push you into fatigue, and on top of that, you also get some nifty information, which is a good card. It turns out though, that discovering a card from your opponents hand actually tends to be worse than discovering a random card. This seems very counterintuitive, but really what tends to happen is that in match ups where you really want to discover answers (the aggro ones), there deck is full of proactive threats and cards that make creatures better (which you don't want), and in match ups where you want to discover proactive threats (the control match ups) you are far more likely to discover answers (which you probably don't want). This also doesn't even take into consideration all the times your opponent has less than 3 cards in hand, which also makes Lazuli much worse.
I think you're wrong mate, yes matchups is a big factor with this card but.... i got more memories of getting an extra reno or nzoth with this card rather then discovering a really bad card.
The fact madame Lazuli was bad shows how much this game has a really limited player interaction. Player just play whatever they have on theirs cookie clicker deck and barely make any decision what so ever. Having information about 3 cards of your opponent should be a huge deal, but it isn't cause who cares, you're going to do your thing and your opponent either does his own thing but has it sooner or has the perfect answers to destroy your gimmick and you ff. that it. I'm still surprised i didn't find any video about a man coding a bot and made every move the bot told him to and reach legend in a matter of days.
Technically lazul saw play in highlander priest but that's probably mainly because it's a highlander deck
The card wasn't even bad, it was played in a lot of decks. It just wasn't as good as people thought it would be
Still playing Kindleroost in my Dragon Quest Shaman. Drawing it late for a potential 5 mana Dragonqueen Alex is pog.
Best thing about Lakkari Sacrifice was that at the time Discard Zoolockbwas actually pretty good, but usually didn't bother playing the quest.
The guy who downplayed Dr. Boom saying "he's no Troggzor" really isn't ever going to live that down. I don't even remember his name but I remember him saying that line.
Also Jungle Giants was very mediocre on ladder but I remember it seeing substantial tournament use, due it being used often in "easy big, easy druid" decks. Doesn't matter if it sucks against 60% of the meta when you only need one win and can predict which deck you'll face.
abuwt, uwt, gotta love canadians ^^ banter aside your video's are fun and original ! i loved the "do you know hs" series. seeing the ogs like thijs(kolento), rdu, allie, etc etc was just great :)
I don't remember who said it but I remember someone rating Dr.Boom as average, but that he "is no Troggzor".
Jungle Giants was fun to play. Not the most powerful quest that's obvious but fun regardless
The beauty of this deck is to have a lot of 5 atk minions between 3 and 6 mana (and until Kobold and Catacombs you have those options if you search) cost and the fact that deathrattle when it summons a 5 atk minion count in the quest. Imagine how funny it was to combo that with both Cenarius and N'Zoth, ultimate infestation and you have a difficult deck to play but consistent once you made the adjustments. I still agree with your take : it's hard to pull off but for me that was the beauty of quest lines back in Un goro
Cho'gall was thought to be insane. Ended up being unplayable. Just didn't work with a late-game Warlock deck - it had anti-synergy with stuff like Hellfire and Twisting Nether, and even playing a 7 drop into something like Siphon where you had to lose health late game wasn't worth just playing Siphon alone and something else cheap.
Managerie Warden also looked completely broken when it was revealed. Everyone expected Beast Druid would be Tier 1 because of it. It wasn't good.
i love jungle giants, that kobold 5/1 that dies into another 5/1 was great
I don't know, man... You say that Lazul and Chameleos are overrated, but their strength depends on skill level. If you are an insane machine level god hearthstone player and you can deduce what cards your opponent has in hand, the value of those drops drastically. I wasn't one, and I really put the extra information to good use at the time. They got quickly outclassed by other cards, but for a short while they were DEFINITELY worth it.
I like how people usually uses Trump as the guy who over hypes cards, but in fact he's usually the one with the best ratings... but there was indeed some ones that he totally got wrong, I think the best case was Magtheridon, where everyone while in live was saying to him that the card was trash, and he firmly was saying that it would be played in every single control Warlock/Warrior...
Loving all your content rarran keep it up and you'll be huge very soon!
The issue with the marsh queen was not the reward, but skipping turn 1 as an deck with a lpt of 1 drops.. for getting a reward that comes turn 5 or later (a face hunter that used his turn 1 would have decided the game by then)
I thought Mistcaller was going to be broken
thumbnail really had me thinking I clicked a trump video.
The biggest issue with warlock quest was actually that you "passed" turn 1 in an aggro deck.
madam lazul vs old illucia...ehm :DD also compare old quests where you had to rebuild your whole deck around it vs new quests where you just add quest to already existing and working archetype with no downside, to spell mage, pirate warior, handlock and insanely boost it
Uhhhh pretty sure Jungle Giants was good enough that people were bringing it to tourneys, my dude.
Scrabbs was not that much played because of kazakhus if I remember correctly because, except Scabbs, rogue didn't play any 4 mana cards .
Juicy Psychmelon belongs towards the top of this list. Remember the copypasta “it’s a four mana sprint that tutors”? Turned out to be trash in except for Star Aligned druid in wild
Yeah but it enabled one of the strongest if not the strongest deck in HS history as you mentioned
OP’s comment has to be bait
bait
LUL
Dragon Consort was the main reason for Dragon Paladin to be a thing. It was a great card and not overrated. It got powercrept over time but when it first released it was a good card.
Lazul is also a good card, 3 mana 3/2 discover a card would be good enough anyway. I don't think she was ever considered broken or anything and she saw play if priest saw play.
Looking at the overrated cards I think Varian is the number one. Everyone thought that would be too strong.
Funny enough dragon consort is very strong in dragon priest if you can get it by rng.
Un'Goro Quest Cube Druid with the Deathwing-into-a-board-full-of-Devilsaurs finisher is one of my favorite decks of all time.
Where is Darnassus Aspirant on this list? During spoiler season, everyone thought it was the best card in the set.
Frizz was fine, I played it in my reno mage and reno hunter back in the day
to be fair one of the reasons scabs saw little play was because kaz (4 mana one) was so good
Here's an idea over corrections in hearthstone cards like how ilucia was an over correction of madam lazul to make it work but turned overpowered
while i think most of the points of this video are spot on i kinda disagree on 2 minor things:1) frizz kindleroost turned to be a staple in dragon druid wich was a solid t2 deck wich makes it y overrated but not as the other cards mentioned here 2) dragon consort was hyped insanely because the community assumed we would have gotten other dragon paladin cards since paladin wasnt on a good spot in the metagame(similar situation to when purify came out)in fact as soon as the other cards got revealed the hype died for paladin so dragon consort got overrated but only till all the pala cards got revealed and we saw no other dragon
Frizz in standard dragon hunter era was a beast of a deck as well, mid to high tier 1 if I remember correctly.
I will not stand for Jungle Giants slander! I will not! I have a NZoth Taunt Druid that utilizes the quest in wild that is sitting at like a 55% winrate after about 250 games. Very fun deck imo, especially if anyone is like me and enjoys just dumping big ol’ boys for no mana
People have gone crazy about the Priest questline or even Mida.
I remember when everyone freaked about Plot Twist.
Yeah, good times.
Like gnol in rogue is an over correction of the 2mana 2 3 that gains rush if u have a card from another class
Scabs wasnt used because Kazakus at 4 exist during miracle rouge era.
i still to this day, do not understand why burly rockjaw trogg isn't good. it looks broken even now. maybe its just the upfront cost because that new trogg they printed was nerfed in no time and is still pretty good in aggro decks.
Drink whenever he says "no card shows this better than"
Show the Scabbs part to Zeddy but make sure Nova doesn't see it 😂😂
Madame Lazul would have been insane in the Classic format
I would like to point out that The Marsh Queen questline has actually gotten pretty solid from where it was at a while back. With the new, more powerful 1 drops being printed and the un-nerfing of starving buzzard that is. (Also Warsong Wrangler)
One word: glide
Hand information is much more important in a game like say, magic. In hearthstone it's nice? But nowhere near as important when you can't interact on the other persons turn.
you also forgot about priest questline which turned out to be so awkward and slow
I take offense to the Frizz slander. I go nuts with that card in wild.
I remember when One Night in Karazhan was spoiled, Firebat was complaining about how insane Menagerie Warden is, playing Stranglethorn Tiger on 5 and Warden on 6. And I thought "lol ok, so what?"
Ogre is underrated
I liked the March Queen quest. Koddo+all the raptors+summon all back. :D
Don't let Zeddy hear about scabs.
Woah... His name was lifecoach??? I always thought it was rope coach. Turn 1 rope every game... Sigh...
I said Scabbs cutterbutter was gonna be trash the first time I saw it spoiled
Frizz definitely wasn’t an overrated card at the time, she saw play in dragon Hunter and Druid. The “not drawing her on curve” argument for saying she’s bad could apply to a number of different cards as well and doesn’t really describe how good a card is. It’s more of a skill issue of you not drawing into it on curve than the card being bad.
She was overrated. Community expected her to be the next Keleseth. She was fine but clearly not as good as people thought she would be.
Nah the card was bad and literally felt like playing a 4 mana 5/4 if u didn't draw it on 4. It also didnt win u the game like Keleseth did if u played it on curve
Just because Boom was better does not mean Troggzor is bad. If Boom didn't exist Troggy would have been the best.
Overrated card? These are incomparable to all the Mage cards nowadays, the problem is not just one cards, it’s ALL the cards in the deck and so synergies with each other and makes them SO INSANE.
Tbf Frizz wasn't that bad and was a mainstay in Embiggen Druid which was a tier 1-1.5 deck.
Revenge of the Wild....
i got some ideas with the New Wing Commander which Summon Beast from your deck. if they die and Kill, you can bring all back.
Yo, I actually had a good time with Frizz Kindleroost. Idk, but I'd rethink that one.
4:17 "Getting knowledge of your opponent's hand is not that great"... Dude.
Dude
Revenge of the wild as a secret could be really nice
scabbs will be a stapelle in wilde mill rogue with valera
I enjoyed this fantastic trip down memory lane. Been missing the live streams tho :(
I’m sorry :(, I’ll do one soon
@@Rarran Don't be sorry! The new content has been absolutely fantastic and I understand it takes a lot of work to get them together.
Excited for the next stream, I'll be there POGGERS in hand
Jungle Giants may not have been very good, but it was very fun.
Source on lifecoach quitting purely because of marsh queen?
Dragon consort was a main deck card at that time. Priest had to have to it. Some of the card here were as well. Seems like a click bait vid.
Wait, wasn’t Scabbs nerfed? Didn’t it used to be next 3 cards, and was insane?
Dragon Consort saw a ton of play! D: