My wife recently had an encounter with a neighbor who marveled at her weight loss and asked how she did it. As soon as the explanation advanced from being a healthful vegan to also being an ethical vegan, the neighbor came back with the getting old humane defense; how she agrees about how horrible is factory farming, but is proud of the fact that she gets her meat from people who raise their animals locally and "humanely." When my wife retorted with the fact that there is no such thing as ethical treatment of animals raised for food; that they all go to their brutal slaughters anyway, the neighbor came back with the old "plants have feelings too" non argument. When further explained about animals having a central nervous system vs. plants, the neighbor then proceeded to say "maybe it would be a good time to change the subject" blah blah blah. Yes, people are always striving for ways to feel good about the harm they do to animals, similar to the rationalizations they make about how good they feel about themselves health wise by giving up all candy and junk food, but continue to eat artery-clogging animal products.
haha, i try to not tell people what they can't do but you can show people what they can do. take her a nice vegan casserole. invite them over for a vegan dinner party, hold your breath and count to 10 when they say stupid offensive stuff. People have weird ideas about what vegans eat, reality helps dispel the myths.
If you're still wavering about the intelligence of animals, re-examine the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that struck the coast of Sumatra, Indonesia, and devastated Sri Lanka and many other nations. More than 200,000 humans died while animal corpses were nearly impossible to locate. If they weren't caged up, animals took off before the disaster struck. Ravi Corea of the Sri Lanka Wildlife Conservation Society told Fox News, "There have been no reports of elephant carcasses, deer, leopards, black bears, sloth bears." Fox also reported that Corea "drove through towns like Galle, which are full of stray animals, and 'didn't see any dead cows or goats.' " There's no doubt that surviving animals were thinking: "With all your mathematical skills, extensive language and technology, you two-legged imbeciles didn't know there was a 100-foot wave coming? Idiots!" And the animals weren't being instinctive when they fled the scene before the tsunami hit. They were simply paying attention. They were aware of their surroundings, unlike the instinctive human robots who stroll this earth. When it comes to technology, humans are brilliant. When it comes to awareness, humans have the mental acuity of a dingleberry (dried piece of shit stuck to the hair surrounding an asshole). And when it comes to decency, humans are on par with viruses. If animals and insects aren't aware, then what are they? If they are NOT capable of feeling pain, then what do they feel? Eating, sleeping, drinking, surviving, procreating, looking for shelter, building a home, defending themselves and saving each other aren't instinctual behaviors. They are thoughts attached to actions. It's the human animal who operates instinctively. Very few people think for themselves and come to rational conclusions. Pulling into McDonald's for a Big Mac is NOT rational thought. It happens because the media, the government, schools and parents tell people to do it. If humans were rational, we wouldn't be killing the animals, the earth and ourselves!
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Yeah, to this day I don't understand how this absurd idea of animals as merely instinct driven biological machines even came about. On the other hand, there are people who actually think the same for themselfes. Maybe the spirit of the likes of La Plas who took Newton's Principia Mathematica a little too far that still lingers around until today.
Wow what a beautiful share. And it's funny because I just made a similar connection last night. We had a very minor earthquake here in Bali and I noticed that before it even happened the insects and geckos started acting noticeably disturbed, climbing up the walls away from the earth. I was just in awe and appreciation at their beautiful sensitivity and how precious that is. All living non-human beings feel deeply and with a heightened sensitivity that surpasses the habitual dissociation that is so prevalent in the human race at this point in time.
Totally agree. As a consumer I don't ask myself what can I do to improve animal husbandry conditions. I ask myself what can I do to prevent animal husbandry.
When I first went vegan, I thought that any improvement in conditions was a step forward, but after learning more about animal welfare regulations, I've realized it's just to make people feel better about themselves. I think many vegans are so frustrated by how long it's taking to make the world understand veganism, that they want to ease the suffering of those who are trapped in the system. But it unquestionably makes things worse. I think DxE has been doing a great job revealing what goes on at "humane" "organic" operations. Let the omnivores push for animal welfare. Vegans should be advocating for nothing less than total liberation.
Its simple. If one knows slavery is wrong, then you must be an animal slavery abolitionist for the same reasons you are a human slavery abolitionist. There is nothing more to think about.
I am confused but why r u compare African Americans back in the 1800s to farm chickens? The reason why animals cannot have rights is because "right" is essentially a human concept
“I am confused why are you comparing us white folks to the black slaves? The reason black slaves can’t have rights is because rights is a human concept” See how your statement is literally the same as how people in the 1800s would’ve used it?
Excellent arguments and well done video, Emily. Thank you. For years, I have been pointing out the dangers of "welfarism" and why welfarism actually impedes abolition goals....not supports it. About 15 years ago, there was an article in a U.S. magazine dedicated to women's issues andthis article mentioned how egg consumption (by its readers who responded to a survey, if my memory serves me well) went up after battery hen welfare legislation was passed. It was crystallized in my mind then at that point that welfarism is clearly the wrong path to stumble down if the goal is to most meaningfully help animals. There are many reasons why welfarism is not the right answer to helping animals and I hope you can explore some more of them in upcoming videos, Emily. As usual, I'll be sharing this video.
Bite Size Vegan That's the same thing that the Democrats day in the time of the slavery and democrats where accordance to Malcolm X more racist than the republican." And now today maybe being more Specisist ." don't get me wrong. both parties are extreme specisist meat eaters and the animal welfare. humans." and the only rightful humans are animal liberation activist Sadly, evil people have always been THE MAJORITY and have always had the power to brainwash the masses with the might-makes-right mentality, and convince the majority to mock anyone who stands up FOR THE VICTIMS, and defends the innate right of all beings to live freely and to be treated fairly.
The mirror of the true - corpses are toxic for humans. Carnists are dead - but just don't know it YET... Solipsistic schizophrenia is their psychosis. Meat, money and government their anti-live manifestation. Bloch Walled and aligned for destruction. Cavitation Ball Dissipation.
Mellow Bill being locked in a cage for months, beaten, dehydrated and hung upside down and having your throat slit then being put in a tank of boiling water is "quick and clean"?
thank you, Emily, you've opened my eyes on welfarism! I've also thought that it's at least good to improve their living conditions before before the liberation may occur, but now it seems that this "improvement of conditions" (what peaople want to believe but in reality is a bullshit) may make the liberation goal become even further... greetings and love from Russia!
It's such a complex issue-full of greys for sure. I think regardless of the approach one takes, it's so important to do so with your eyes open and fully informed.
I believe the point of her video was that passing laws only makes things worse for the animals. And what could anyone in a political party do except pass more useless and counterproductive welfarist laws? It's up to the grassroots and the activists to convince the majority to go vegan. Laws and politics are useless to help animals being used for financial gain.
Tyler Resto Yep. Exactly. Veganism is not implemented by law. Any politician who promises to pass abolition laws that will free the animals is a big fat liar.
I don't really see it as my business to tell people not to eat eggs, but to let them know what are eating, and how to make more ethical and logical choices.
you explain it way better than I ever could! I've been trying to explain how looking after animal welfare doesn't do much for the animals besides making us humans feel like we're doing something good. Animal liberation all the way!
Camila Stefanie we know we are doing bad for the environment every single day even if it doesn't have to do with animals. What do you want us to do? Write a full page of how horrible we are if so i am ready to write that. When you focus on something negative your always going to get a negative response back.
So glad to hear this was helpful! And trust me, I spend HOURS working how to say -and certainly don't always get it right, if there even is such a thing ;D
Tangential note- the ad before the video was AirNZ. I have heard they do really great vegan special meals available on request and though we fly subload and cant request special meals the staff are always helpful. I flew Auckland to Perth and back this month with my two kids and both flights though I packed extensive food options we were taken care of by staff offering everything they had available
Excellent points about welfarism, it's important to be careful that there is going to be collateral damage even if these welfarism legislations go through. There is a reason they raise animals in factory farms as they do: maximizing efficiency and if you take away that efficiency in one way they will be pressed to find a way to increase efficiency in a different way: perhaps increasing slaughter speed or something else
I used to feel similarly, but Bruce Friedrich's debate with Francione convinced me otherwise. It's viewable on The Vegan Atheist's channel, for those interested. Thinking realistically, I'm ecstatic about any reduction in suffering that can be achieved in my lifetime. That said, welfare cannot be the end goal. Even if we can ensure a life devoid of suffering, and a painless death, it would still be a violation of the animal's interests (to continue living, etc.) which is always unethical. I'm actually more concerned with interests than pain.
What do you make of the fact that no welfare campaign has been successful unless it's added to the profitability of the animal ag business implementing it.
The power of speech is of paramount importance in this. worlld. Animals are sentient beings but lack the. power. of speech and suffer horrendous cruelty because of it. If chimmera are ever developed I hope one can gain the power of speech and convince even the most stupid that animals suffer.
Tactical Vegan that’s so much I think vegans would kill animals for their own benefit. If your house was infested by insects and it would fall apart, would you kill them and let your house be destroyed? If you couldn’t survive or be healthy on a vegan diet, would you still be vegan?
So sad I couldn't finish watching! I've been vegan for six years but I never really knew about all the differences between animal right organizations! Thanks for the education! I know now that I'm 💯 for animal liberation!
Anarchy Snake I don't agree with call outs. You can promote veganism without attacking people. People like them are the reason the vast majority of people hate vegans, I believe they do more harm than good.
Loads of you tubers do call outs. There is a difference between attack and critique. The vast majority of people do not hate vegans. Don't judge everything by what happens on you tube. The vast majority of people have never heard of vegan you tubers even the vast majority of vegans have never heard of vegan you tubers. Do not believe the propaganda that vegans are hated, i know that is something spread around on you tube particularly on some vegan channels.
I do agree with you on that at soon as someone feels attacked they are going to completely ignore anything that you are saying to them. Its always better to keep personal attacks out of the mix and just give them pure hard facts.
I've killed with compassion though; when dogs have gotten very old and are at the end of their lives, to prevent more suffering I have them humanely euthanized...if only we could all have that sort of death. Confining, enslaving and killing strictly to use them is what is wrong and can never be "humane." So I get your points and agree, but humane killing is really a thing, including for humans.
oh, I knew it wasn't clikbait. I'm right there with you on that! I think most people are pro-wellfarism, untill they come to realize that only animal rights can make actual change.
Great video, Emily. People celebrating these laws as "victories" don't even look at the fine print -- these abusers have up to 15 years to comply! And for what, 5 more inches of space?? You will NEVER see a law that actually benefits the type of animals being used for some sort of 'human benefit' (especially financially). NEVER. And yes, this type of feel good legislation does make it worse for the animals as it ENCOURAGES the continuation of their use while pretending to cut back on the abuse.
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The best we can offer them right now, is not enough. But people will never stop eating meat, dairy and eggs. So yes, I'm a litte happy when we give them a little more room or better conditions. But every time, I cry because it is never enough.
You could do videos on the situation of animals in different countries. it would really help to understand that 'my' country isn't an exception. and especially how these wellfare acts and humane methods are put in to practice. it would help to diffuse the myth of these 'organic' 'grass fed' labels too. i don't even know how it is in my own country:( it's not easy to find out.
yes but hearing and seeing as it is in your own country does change your attitude. when i see documentaries from the usa i can easily say, oh thats there, we are better. personally i would find it eye opening to see how it really is in my country.
Franziska Summers I don't know much of Switzerland other than it does like to think it has the best animal welfare laws in the EU. The only listed animal rights organization is concerned with welfare, not abolition, so its hard to say. SAP -- Swiss Animal Protection does that sound familiar?
This is my first Bite Size Vegan video & all I can say is wow! Your knowledge & articulation of this subject is extremely impressive. You are my new inspiration for my personal growth & activism for the animals. I’m looking forward to watching your other videos! Thank you for all you do!
Thank you for this presentation. It has brought me to tears because I feel so hopeless. Many of my friends and family tell me they don't want to know. I want to crawl into a corner and cry.
my Rabbit died on Sunday I am heartbroken like I said before I see cows I see cows everyday his cows are in a field I suppose he think it's kind because he lets them eat grass but I still hear they're Cry's when they have they're Baby's dragged away from them its sickening
I love your channel! It's so refreshing (and sadly different) to hear an intelligent, well-researched, academic opinion on these issues. Thank you for dropping out of medical school for this! Your contributing so much to the vegan movement!
Amazing video! I've been questioning this myself lately, I wasn't sure what my stance was but I'm reading Animal Rights: The Abolitionist and Approach right now and after hearing this i have to agree. Thanks for sharing :)
There's one thing I disagree with you about; it's that people feel guilty about eating meat and look to AW as an excuse to continue eating it. I don't see that at all. As the only vegan, I see it in my workplace every day. A few examples: -We have two women who are very proud of their cooking and every morning brag about the meat-laden dinners they had made the prior evening. Both women are very well-read, and one day the conversation veered toward commercial farming methods, and they both discussed, quite accurately, how chickens are raised and agreed that they "understood why someone would want to be veg." Then they just sort of shrugged and grinned and went right back to discussing how good chicken is, the next chicken dishes they're planning, etc. (And they neither eat nor even acknowledge "free range" meats.) -A coworker asked me why I don't eat dairy, and listened respectfully as I described the way cows are treated. That same day and those thereafter, he ordered his usual cheese-and-pepperoni pizza from a fast food pizza place for lunch. -I expressed concern to another woman about some stray cats I had seen. She replied, "I know that's your thing, but I just don't care about animals." Yes, that's the exact phrasing she used. So no, I don't think animal welfare helps assure vast numbers of people to continue eating meat, and that they'd consider veganism if not for them. What I see is people who have long ago made their choice and are comfortable with it. They either are firm in their conviction that God gave us animals to use, or that animal rights is essentially like a hobby--"sure, it's fine for you, that's your thing, but it doesn't interest me" sort of thing.
See I struggle with this. I am an aspiring Vegan. On one hand your words really resonate with me. It is also as though I am seeing everything through a whole new lens. On the other hand, I have so many questions. I just don't know if we would even be where we are today technologically without exploiting animals. Should we judge the people of the past who might have needed pelts or furs to keep warm or to eat? I mean even without eating them, we have used them for so many other things: oxen and horses for transporting goods for example. I guess it is something to be explored and I don't have to have all the answers right now.
Well said. It sounds good to be for animal welfare, but it's not that clear after all. It does more damage than good, none of it is okay even if the label says 'humane' or 'free range'.
I love your content. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective and investing your time to share this information with others. Thank you for bearing witness and giving these animals your unconditional presence.
This is a brilliant explanation of the difference between rights, liberation, and welfare! I was wondering what you think of the dictionary definition of murder/rape not applying to animal slaughter/artificial insemination? Do you think that vegans should still call it murder and rape?
snowdudeisnotonfire it definitely is rape. while I get why some vegans call killing animals murder, I do think other words like massacre, holocaust, killing are still direct and truthful
I really appreciate your educational approach to spreading this message, and that you back up your opinions with legitimate facts. I wish more people stated their case as calmly and educationally as you do. Keep up the good work. Although I do consider myself a welfarist when it pertains to most situations in which animals are kept in human care, I do agree that the egg, meat, and dairy industries and laws applied to them are hypocritical when it comes to their approach to an animal’s well-being.
wow... I have never thought of this until now. thank you for opening my eyes. I always said I'm "for animal welfare", not really thinking about what it means. it just sounded good.
The system only placates animal rights advocates to try and get a little good press so they can keep slaughtering sentient beings for profit. It never has anything to do with helping the animals. If it did, they'd shut down their business and stop what they're doing. I love what you're doing and the message you're spreading, Emily. Keep it up!
Emily- thank you so much for yet another much needed, perfectly researched and curated video. I wish everybody on the planet would see it and take it to heart. Thank you for doing what you do.
Thank you for this. As always, excellent, clearly laid out information. I've considered the issue and impact of animal welfare on the overall cause for awhile now but never got very far. This was really helpful.
I realized with dread the other day that we have so distorted the Animals grown as Agriculture that I have no idea what/where it is these animals do in their natural environment. Reading Agricultural Laws in the US, slaughter in particular, the Monitoring of Compliance towards these laws require funds for training, placing and maintaining. It is as frightening to me as the barbaric laws themselves. As Dombower once said, once one becomes Vegan it is Alice in Wonderland- as your journey takes you deeper and deeper into the hole.. My journey of awareness started in the 70s with the 'Silent Spring' by Rachel Carlson. I am still only peering thru cloudy lenses; the truth is continually clouded and veiled, counting on the implant of denial and complacency. Thank You for what you do.
I will definitely gonna take steps towards this in future. Coz i dont lure myself that everything is good and every animal will be treated well when i grow up. So i m all prepared to stand against these cruelties.
Thank you. I have considered myself both a welfarist and an abolitionist, thinking that small changes need to be made first and every step in the right direction is good, so that would ultimately lead to an end of almost all animal suffering purposely inflicted by humans. This video was very informative and opened my eyes. I don't have the time or patience for an absurdity like waiting decades for farmers to provide animals with a few inches more space. I just handed out a ton of Cowspiracy flyers today :D I wonder, are you also an abolitionist regarding pets?
Finally something of yours I can share on my timeline! This video will actually click bait a lot of meat eaters who are into animal welfare that ignore the other vegan posts..but I bet they will watch this as the tittle will annoy them enough to make them see why I'd say that.
Great video as always Emily! Is there somewhere that you put your video scripts online? Im always writing down good points that you make and it would be easier to just use copy and paste! 💗
Hi there! Well you know how I say "on the blog post for this video" a bunch in all my videos? That's the thing! Every single video has its own post, complete with citations for the academic ones. (the Ireland speech has over 100) The link is always in the description of every video. All the best!
Hello, i have a question for you. Not sure if you have made a video yet, but what are your views on wildlife conservation, especially the culling of elephants in southern Africa. Are animal rights organizations funding for alternative ways to reduce elephant populations?
This video is so helpful because a lot of people don't know what welfare even is this will just make me look into things more even as a vegan thank you!!!
Thank you so much for this video! Does that mean that you consider yourself as an abolitionist? I know labels are superficial but in political movements they can be quite useful. Please make another video on the subject and even maybe an interview with Gary Francione? That would be amazing!! Thanks again
Emily, I am an educator. I have several degrees, all in the education field. I would like to expand my teaching to include educating others about veganism and all that that implies. I have watched several of your videos and I like that you include facts, statistics, researched-based evidence, etc. Although I have children who are "tech-savvy" when it comes to UA-cam, vlogging, videos, livestreams, etc., aren't really my milieu. My strong suit is actually writing. From what I've gathered from some of your speeches, your writing seems to be very articulate and educated as well. I was wondering if you would like to write a book, or at least an article with me, talking about the topics presented in your videos. You're probably very busy with your videos, speeches and other things, so if you don't have time to take on such a project, I completely understand. I would just like to play more of a significant role in creating big change for the sake of animals.
i think you could have pointed out the main theoretical difference in the way Gary L. Francione does: that welfare focuses on the treatment of animals (humane, better, more space blah blah) while animal rights foucses on the use of animals - so all use is exploatation and so we fight against any kind of usage of animals, despite of how they are being treated. Nice video and thank you :)
I agree that small improvements in the animal farming industry isn't going to do anything impactful,but I do have criticisms.Firstly,I understand fully your position,but your solution is to make people stop eating meat/other APs all together.But,the issue is that isn't going to happen and it's FAR from realistic.So,you could do a few radical things:pass laws to ban animal consumption/agriculture or pass laws to improve animals in the agricultural process.The first option is ridiculous considering it would never pass and plus it would be bad considering its lack of personal choice in diet from a unbiased viewpoint.I think the best ways to is to help people with resources to transition to vegetarianism,veganism,or even flexitarianism.Then,support legislation to improve animal housing,supplying,and killing in agriculture in terms of laws that are fully understood of course.I love your message Emily of love,kindness,and support for animal and animal rights,but opposition to animal rights laws,encouraging vegetarianism,and shadowing negative assumptions on to meat-eaters.Not being rude towards you,your cause,or veganism but I'm just stating my opinion.
Question and I'm not playing devil's advocate here I'm really wondering because you've sparked a whole new avenue for me to explore here that I guess I hadn't totally thought about. I've always said I'm fighting for animal welfare but I agree with you that I want animals out of the system not making the system with more rules to make it "kinder" before the murder. So the question is what would total liberation look like? What kind of time frame would we need, what would happen to the animals? Would it be a general fade out over the next say 5 years by ending any new animals from being bread and brought into the system ? Or is the hope and immediate shut down and ending and all animals are cared for by organizations unil the end of their natural life? Do you have resources for more info on this specific topic? Hope that all came across clear.. It can be hard to portray what you mean written in a comments section sometimes.
Not Your Average Vegan I suggest you do activism like earthlings experience or anonymous for the voiceless. welfare just looks for a nice way to enslave, exploit, and kill, all of which are contradictory to the premise of welfare.
Thank you for linking me to those groups. Ive seen their work. Ill be looking into it further. I agree with your description of welfare and never thought of that really the bottom line.
Emily, recently I explained how most welfare laws (like the one recently passed here in Massachusetts) increase animal exploitation because people feel the animals are treated better. I was challenged on that, and I really couldn't point to any research that backed up that point. Do you know of any? I mean, it seems logical, but is there evidence? You're amazing. Thank you for all you do!
I do feel annoyance when I go into Whole Foods and see Animal Welfare signs around their animal products, but I honestly thought it's because I'm vegan and see the problem with "welfare"...but I honestly didn't know how bad it was, I should have realized, due to how many ridiculous loopholes surround even laws regarding human workers. 12 years? That's appalling. It is almost worse in a way, because it gives people a false sense of things getting better. People can't possibly know if animal welfare even exists unless they raise their own animals or know their neighbors who do.
Hey Emily I am also Emily weird right anyway I wanted to say that I really support you because you speak so much truth and I love that. I find it amazing that you can get the truth out no matter how hard it is for you. So I wanted to say thank you for all these videos you make!💗🐮🐷🐣. I also wanted to say that you really helped me through my transformation to being a vegan and it got really hard sometimes but you helped me realize that it was the best thing to do so also thank you for that.❤️🌎🐾
Getting people to care MORE, when they now are unwilling to care so much that they'd actually go vegan must certainly be better for the animals in the long run. Better conditions for animals also means that it's more expensive for the industry to keep them, and as the demand for better standards regularly increases, so will it eventually become completely unprofitable. Now, I understand completely that for the animals right now, "Welfarism" isn't doing them any favours, and of course I WANT for them all to be saved immediately. But this is not within my power. All I can do is to live vegan myself, and try my best to inspire and convince others to do the same. Just what else do you suggest we do? Do we simply not accept that this isn't enough? What will change then? Isn't this already the result of our very best efforts? I think most of us are already trying to make people view animals as sentient, thinking beings, and that in fact no exploitation of them is ok. This also includes vegans for "Welfarism". So if you support this "Welfarism" or not - what is the actual practical difference for the animals? Now, I love Emily and her channel, and also this video. She is very logical, and I completely agree that Welfarism isn't enough - of course it isn't! Anything that doesn't instantly save them all isn't enough! The point is that we can only do our best. I just want to make it clear that in the above stated, I keep in mind that by being for the tiny developments that "Welfarism" amounts to isn't actually taking away from wanting the best for the animals, and that even though you're for it, it doesn't mean that you stop fighting for them in other ways or that you're not trying to completely challenge and change the attitude in people around animals as products.
Thankyou ! Wouldn't ever of thought of this view on animal welfare. Also thankyou for such amazing videos, only found you a couple of days ago and think your videos are cracking!
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts... and you're right, it can definitely be divisive. That's no my intention with this video, but rather to look at what the actual outcome of welfare regulations are-doesn't by default negate completely pursuing protection...just always best to do so with open eyes.
A gradual increase in legal rights is a symptom of a society slowly realising the error in their use of animals. Gradually giving animals more legal rights makes legal liberation possible eventually, the world won't go vegan overnight, and even ineffective laws show the gradual recognition of animal sentience by society. There is no evidence that animal welfare makes people eat animals more (even if it did make some people who wouldn't give up animal exploitation feel slightly better about it). Although most animal welfare laws may not have any immediate benefit to animals, there's no reason to think they do damage so even if you don't support them, I can't see any good reason to oppose them.
+AbdulRazak Alrayyis You may be right. Nevertheless, for those who already made it to the level of awareness to recognize that all forms of animal husbandry are exploitive and unnecessary it absolutely makes sense to concentrate their behaviour as consumers on the avoidance of animal husbandry rather than supporting animal welfare.
The thing is though is that you seem to be prizing slow change to something that happened quite rapidly. Factory farming has only been around really for about half a century. I don't think that there's anything heroic about people slowly coming to realizations Muslims and Jews had 2000 years ago with Halal and Kosher. Dude, even "primitive" societies had more regard for animals than post-modern corporate capitalists. And the lack of regard they have for animals extends to ALL life, which is why our earth is dying. We should be progressing forward, past Halal, and past Kosher, instead of congratulating people for inching slowly back towards something earlier societies took for granted.
You are a wonderful person! I couldn't agree with you more. Animals are the most abused creatures on the planet, with livestock having the worst of the worst treatment. Humans have this psychopathic view that animals are on this planet strictly for human use and so humans can do with them as they see fit. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Animals can feel happy, content, bond to others and display emotions. This means they also fear, feel pain, depression and unhappiness. We treat animals on a level or worse than the Holocaust, which was horrendous. So how can we subject animals to this same treatment, even creating profitable industries based on this horrendous treatment.
I watched a featurette about a legal suit brought to court in the UnitedStates to grant 'Personhood' to Whales, Dolphins, Elephants and Primates. It is still in the courts, and has started the dialogue. It is some hope.
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My wife recently had an encounter with a neighbor who marveled at her weight loss and asked how she did it. As soon as the explanation advanced from being a healthful vegan to also being an ethical vegan, the neighbor came back with the getting old humane defense; how she agrees about how horrible is factory farming, but is proud of the fact that she gets her meat from people who raise their animals locally and "humanely." When my wife retorted with the fact that there is no such thing as ethical treatment of animals raised for food; that they all go to their brutal slaughters anyway, the neighbor came back with the old "plants have feelings too" non argument. When further explained about animals having a central nervous system vs. plants, the neighbor then proceeded to say "maybe it would be a good time to change the subject" blah blah blah. Yes, people are always striving for ways to feel good about the harm they do to animals, similar to the rationalizations they make about how good they feel about themselves health wise by giving up all candy and junk food, but continue to eat artery-clogging animal products.
People don't like being told they're bad and would rather continue to live a lie then face reality and change
haha, i try to not tell people what they can't do but you can show people what they can do. take her a nice vegan casserole. invite them over for a vegan dinner party, hold your breath and count to 10 when they say stupid offensive stuff. People have weird ideas about what vegans eat, reality helps dispel the myths.
Whole foods is making a lot of money from getting people to think they are eating humanely sourced meat and all is sunshine. It's a lie.
If you're still wavering about the intelligence of animals, re-examine the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that struck the coast of Sumatra, Indonesia, and devastated Sri Lanka and many other nations. More than 200,000 humans died while animal corpses were nearly impossible to locate. If they weren't caged up, animals took off before the disaster struck. Ravi Corea of the Sri Lanka Wildlife Conservation Society told Fox News, "There have been no reports of elephant carcasses, deer, leopards, black bears, sloth bears." Fox also reported that Corea "drove through towns like Galle, which are full of stray animals, and 'didn't see any dead cows or goats.' " There's no doubt that surviving animals were thinking: "With all your mathematical skills, extensive language and technology, you two-legged imbeciles didn't know there was a 100-foot wave coming? Idiots!" And the animals weren't being instinctive when they fled the scene before the tsunami hit. They were simply paying attention. They were aware of their surroundings, unlike the instinctive human robots who stroll this earth. When it comes to technology, humans are brilliant. When it comes to awareness, humans have the mental acuity of a dingleberry (dried piece of shit stuck to the hair surrounding an asshole). And when it comes to decency, humans are on par with viruses.
If animals and insects aren't aware, then what are they? If they are NOT capable of feeling pain, then what do they feel? Eating, sleeping, drinking, surviving, procreating, looking for shelter, building a home, defending themselves and saving each other aren't instinctual behaviors. They are thoughts attached to actions. It's the human animal who operates instinctively. Very few people think for themselves and come to rational conclusions. Pulling into McDonald's for a Big Mac is NOT rational thought. It happens because the media, the government, schools and parents tell people to do it. If humans were rational, we wouldn't be killing the animals, the earth and ourselves!
The mirror of the true holy FUCK that was poignant.
Zahria 269 your being welcome to be my guest 😆😆😆I do my channel philosophy and animal rights education I talked also about psychology and I don't give a lot about what other people think from me." I'm being there to speak the truth if that seems arrogant than this on you In 99 percent of the time I exactly know where her talk about." I've also an arch channel (Master of Arts) and what music channel (chavasdela) and a Comedy roast channel." (Earthlings nemesis) this quote this Exley of my script for my first Comedy roast."
Yeah, to this day I don't understand how this absurd idea of animals as merely instinct driven biological machines even came about. On the other hand, there are people who actually think the same for themselfes. Maybe the spirit of the likes of La Plas who took Newton's Principia Mathematica a little too far that still lingers around until today.
Wow what a beautiful share. And it's funny because I just made a similar connection last night. We had a very minor earthquake here in Bali and I noticed that before it even happened the insects and geckos started acting noticeably disturbed, climbing up the walls away from the earth. I was just in awe and appreciation at their beautiful sensitivity and how precious that is. All living non-human beings feel deeply and with a heightened sensitivity that surpasses the habitual dissociation that is so prevalent in the human race at this point in time.
It's true, the 'improved conditions' just make people feel better about paying for the eventual stabbing in the neck of the animals
Exactly!
Totally agree. As a consumer I don't ask myself what can I do to improve animal husbandry conditions. I ask myself what can I do to prevent animal husbandry.
can we "like" more than once?! THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE
When I first went vegan, I thought that any improvement in conditions was a step forward, but after learning more about animal welfare regulations, I've realized it's just to make people feel better about themselves. I think many vegans are so frustrated by how long it's taking to make the world understand veganism, that they want to ease the suffering of those who are trapped in the system. But it unquestionably makes things worse. I think DxE has been doing a great job revealing what goes on at "humane" "organic" operations. Let the omnivores push for animal welfare. Vegans should be advocating for nothing less than total liberation.
Its simple. If one knows slavery is wrong, then you must be an animal slavery abolitionist for the same reasons you are a human slavery abolitionist. There is nothing more to think about.
It's a right so go to NK if you hate America
I am confused but why r u compare African Americans back in the 1800s to farm chickens? The reason why animals cannot have rights is because "right" is essentially a human concept
“I am confused why are you comparing us white folks to the black slaves? The reason black slaves can’t have rights is because rights is a human concept”
See how your statement is literally the same as how people in the 1800s would’ve used it?
Excellent arguments and well done video, Emily. Thank you.
For years, I have been pointing out the dangers of "welfarism" and why welfarism actually impedes abolition goals....not supports it. About 15 years ago, there was an article in a U.S. magazine dedicated to women's issues andthis article mentioned how egg consumption (by its readers who responded to a survey, if my memory serves me well) went up after battery hen welfare legislation was passed. It was crystallized in my mind then at that point that welfarism is clearly the wrong path to stumble down if the goal is to most meaningfully help animals.
There are many reasons why welfarism is not the right answer to helping animals and I hope you can explore some more of them in upcoming videos, Emily. As usual, I'll be sharing this video.
▶︎➤ I wanted to clarify my stance on animal welfarism.
▶︎➤ Please *SHARE this video* with friends, family & within any discussion of animal welfare.
Bite Size Vegan That's the same thing that the Democrats day in the time of the slavery and democrats where accordance to Malcolm X more racist than the republican." And now today maybe being more Specisist ." don't get me wrong. both parties are extreme specisist meat eaters and the animal welfare. humans." and the only rightful humans are animal liberation activist Sadly, evil people have always been THE MAJORITY and have always had the power to brainwash the masses with the might-makes-right mentality, and convince the majority to mock anyone who stands up FOR THE VICTIMS, and defends the innate right of all beings to live freely and to be treated fairly.
The mirror of the true - corpses are toxic for humans.
Carnists are dead - but just don't know it YET...
Solipsistic schizophrenia is their psychosis. Meat, money and government their anti-live manifestation.
Bloch Walled and aligned for destruction. Cavitation Ball Dissipation.
Bite Size Vegan, Nice Emily - Truth hits HARD - in proportion to the level of negative knowledge.
thank you so much
Thanks, Bill. Real Mellow.
id never really thought bout the difference before. thank you for this, its a really great tool to helping animals.
You are so very welcome! ;D So glad it sparked some thought!
The whole humane meat excuse is so played out. Then again so are all the other excuses for killing animals. Great video
Mellow Bill ^ that is an excuse to eat meat... I like animal products too
Mellow Bill so you avoid all dairy products, seafood, and eggs because it's not "quick and clean"?
Mellow Bill being locked in a cage for months, beaten, dehydrated and hung upside down and having your throat slit then being put in a tank of boiling water is "quick and clean"?
walrus walrus when did I say slaughterhouses. I described the conditions typical of a factory farm
@@princefancybum4605 most of factory farm r free range
thank you, Emily, you've opened my eyes on welfarism! I've also thought that it's at least good to improve their living conditions before before the liberation may occur, but now it seems that this "improvement of conditions" (what peaople want to believe but in reality is a bullshit) may make the liberation goal become even further...
greetings and love from Russia!
It's such a complex issue-full of greys for sure. I think regardless of the approach one takes, it's so important to do so with your eyes open and fully informed.
Would you run in 2020 for the humane party? I would vote for you.
I believe the point of her video was that passing laws only makes things worse for the animals. And what could anyone in a political party do except pass more useless and counterproductive welfarist laws? It's up to the grassroots and the activists to convince the majority to go vegan. Laws and politics are useless to help animals being used for financial gain.
Lone Wolf Vegan Warrior Um. If veganism were implemented by law, I see how law would be useless...
*fail to see
Tyler Resto Yep. Exactly. Veganism is not implemented by law. Any politician who promises to pass abolition laws that will free the animals is a big fat liar.
I don't really see it as my business to tell people not to eat eggs, but to let them know what are eating, and how to make more ethical and logical choices.
Spot on 👌
you explain it way better than I ever could! I've been trying to explain how looking after animal welfare doesn't do much for the animals besides making us humans feel like we're doing something good.
Animal liberation all the way!
Camila Stefanie we know we are doing bad for the environment every single day even if it doesn't have to do with animals. What do you want us to do? Write a full page of how horrible we are if so i am ready to write that. When you focus on something negative your always going to get a negative response back.
So glad to hear this was helpful! And trust me, I spend HOURS working how to say -and certainly don't always get it right, if there even is such a thing ;D
I'm an abolishionist.
Me too! It will take years and years, maybe even centuries, but it will happen.
At least help them fix this little mistake, rather than just pointing it out... Abolitionist, it is !
Onivlas Brony thanks for pointing that out
Now you just have to fix it.
That was my impression at first too, but then he admitted a mistake. :/
Tangential note- the ad before the video was AirNZ. I have heard they do really great vegan special meals available on request and though we fly subload and cant request special meals the staff are always helpful. I flew Auckland to Perth and back this month with my two kids and both flights though I packed extensive food options we were taken care of by staff offering everything they had available
Excellent points about welfarism, it's important to be careful that there is going to be collateral damage even if these welfarism legislations go through. There is a reason they raise animals in factory farms as they do: maximizing efficiency and if you take away that efficiency in one way they will be pressed to find a way to increase efficiency in a different way: perhaps increasing slaughter speed or something else
I used to feel similarly, but Bruce Friedrich's debate with Francione convinced me otherwise. It's viewable on The Vegan Atheist's channel, for those interested. Thinking realistically, I'm ecstatic about any reduction in suffering that can be achieved in my lifetime.
That said, welfare cannot be the end goal. Even if we can ensure a life devoid of suffering, and a painless death, it would still be a violation of the animal's interests (to continue living, etc.) which is always unethical. I'm actually more concerned with interests than pain.
What do you make of the fact that no welfare campaign has been successful unless it's added to the profitability of the animal ag business implementing it.
It's pretty much like Joseph Goebbels saying he is humane because the Jews in Auschwitz got new pajamas
LMAO TRUE
The power of speech is of paramount importance in this. worlld. Animals are sentient beings but lack the. power. of speech and suffer horrendous cruelty because of it. If chimmera are ever developed I hope one can gain the power of speech and convince even the most stupid that animals suffer.
Tactical Vegan that’s so much I think vegans would kill animals for their own benefit.
If your house was infested by insects and it would fall apart, would you kill them and let your house be destroyed?
If you couldn’t survive or be healthy on a vegan diet, would you still be vegan?
I feel so ethical eating dark chocolate instead of milk chocolate since i only support child labor instead of the animal industry.
So sad I couldn't finish watching! I've been vegan for six years but I never really knew about all the differences between animal right organizations! Thanks for the education! I know now that I'm 💯 for animal liberation!
well said. That Vegan Couple have just done a good video on the Lidl Christmas Turkey add, which is related to this subject.
The vegan couple are assholes
crazywaffleking why?
Anarchy Snake
I don't agree with call outs. You can promote veganism without attacking people. People like them are the reason the vast majority of people hate vegans, I believe they do more harm than good.
Loads of you tubers do call outs. There is a difference between attack and critique.
The vast majority of people do not hate vegans. Don't judge everything by what happens on you tube. The vast majority of people have never heard of vegan you tubers even the vast majority of vegans have never heard of vegan you tubers. Do not believe the propaganda that vegans are hated, i know that is something spread around on you tube particularly on some vegan channels.
I do agree with you on that at soon as someone feels attacked they are going to completely ignore anything that you are saying to them. Its always better to keep personal attacks out of the mix and just give them pure hard facts.
that's no welfare plan that I would want to look after my well being
Spot on, eric!
I've killed with compassion though; when dogs have gotten very old and are at the end of their lives, to prevent more suffering I have them humanely euthanized...if only we could all have that sort of death. Confining, enslaving and killing strictly to use them is what is wrong and can never be "humane." So I get your points and agree, but humane killing is really a thing, including for humans.
oh, I knew it wasn't clikbait. I'm right there with you on that!
I think most people are pro-wellfarism, untill they come to realize that only animal rights can make actual change.
Great video, Emily. People celebrating these laws as "victories" don't even look at the fine print -- these abusers have up to 15 years to comply! And for what, 5 more inches of space?? You will NEVER see a law that actually benefits the type of animals being used for some sort of 'human benefit' (especially financially). NEVER. And yes, this type of feel good legislation does make it worse for the animals as it ENCOURAGES the continuation of their use while pretending to cut back on the abuse.
GIRL...YOU ARE SUCH AN EXCELLENT SPEAKER.....YOUR WORDS FLOW SO SMOOTHLY AND ARE EASILY UNDERSTOOD....THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!!!! MUCH LOVE!!!!!
When was the class dissection part of the Q and A?
The best we can offer them right now, is not enough. But people will never stop eating meat, dairy and eggs. So yes, I'm a litte happy when we give them a little more room or better conditions. But every time, I cry because it is never enough.
Riraito it will take time for this planet to have space for 2.
You could do videos on the situation of animals in different countries. it would really help to understand that 'my' country isn't an exception. and especially how these wellfare acts and humane methods are put in to practice. it would help to diffuse the myth of these 'organic' 'grass fed' labels too. i don't even know how it is in my own country:( it's not easy to find out.
its pretty much all the same, welfare is just by degree. hitting you with a softer baseball bat is still hitting you with a baseball bat.
yes but hearing and seeing as it is in your own country does change your attitude. when i see documentaries from the usa i can easily say, oh thats there, we are better. personally i would find it eye opening to see how it really is in my country.
Franziska Summers What country do you live in?
gisforgary Switzerland
Franziska Summers I don't know much of Switzerland other than it does like to think it has the best animal welfare laws in the EU. The only listed animal rights organization is concerned with welfare, not abolition, so its hard to say. SAP -- Swiss Animal Protection does that sound familiar?
This is my first Bite Size Vegan video & all I can say is wow! Your knowledge & articulation of this subject is extremely impressive. You are my new inspiration for my personal growth & activism for the animals. I’m looking forward to watching your other videos! Thank you for all you do!
I agree, "welfare" is total crap.
Emily, your words are always so powerful. Thank you.
you're so very welcome!
Thank you for this presentation. It has brought me to tears because I feel so hopeless. Many of my friends and family tell me they don't want to know. I want to crawl into a corner and cry.
my Rabbit died on Sunday I am heartbroken like I said before I see cows I see cows everyday his cows are in a field I suppose he think it's kind because he lets them eat grass but I still hear they're Cry's when they have they're Baby's dragged away from them its sickening
I am so sorry to hear about your loss, gillian! And so heartbreaking to hear them :(
Ive never clicked a video so fast :) I don't like going down the welfare route.. Liberation / abolition all the way x
;D So glad you liked the video :D
I love your channel! It's so refreshing (and sadly different) to hear an intelligent, well-researched, academic opinion on these issues. Thank you for dropping out of medical school for this! Your contributing so much to the vegan movement!
Amazing video! I've been questioning this myself lately, I wasn't sure what my stance was but I'm reading Animal Rights: The Abolitionist and Approach right now and after hearing this i have to agree. Thanks for sharing :)
There's one thing I disagree with you about; it's that people feel guilty about eating meat and look to AW as an excuse to continue eating it. I don't see that at all. As the only vegan, I see it in my workplace every day. A few examples:
-We have two women who are very proud of their cooking and every morning brag about the meat-laden dinners they had made the prior evening. Both women are very well-read, and one day the conversation veered toward commercial farming methods, and they both discussed, quite accurately, how chickens are raised and agreed that they "understood why someone would want to be veg." Then they just sort of shrugged and grinned and went right back to discussing how good chicken is, the next chicken dishes they're planning, etc. (And they neither eat nor even acknowledge "free range" meats.)
-A coworker asked me why I don't eat dairy, and listened respectfully as I described the way cows are treated. That same day and those thereafter, he ordered his usual cheese-and-pepperoni pizza from a fast food pizza place for lunch.
-I expressed concern to another woman about some stray cats I had seen. She replied, "I know that's your thing, but I just don't care about animals." Yes, that's the exact phrasing she used.
So no, I don't think animal welfare helps assure vast numbers of people to continue eating meat, and that they'd consider veganism if not for them. What I see is people who have long ago made their choice and are comfortable with it. They either are firm in their conviction that God gave us animals to use, or that animal rights is essentially like a hobby--"sure, it's fine for you, that's your thing, but it doesn't interest me" sort of thing.
See I struggle with this. I am an aspiring Vegan. On one hand your words really resonate with me. It is also as though I am seeing everything through a whole new lens. On the other hand, I have so many questions. I just don't know if we would even be where we are today technologically without exploiting animals. Should we judge the people of the past who might have needed pelts or furs to keep warm or to eat? I mean even without eating them, we have used them for so many other things: oxen and horses for transporting goods for example. I guess it is something to be explored and I don't have to have all the answers right now.
Thank you for doing this video, I'd love to see you address SICs (single issue campaigns) as well, please :)
Well said. It sounds good to be for animal welfare, but it's not that clear after all. It does more damage than good, none of it is okay even if the label says 'humane' or 'free range'.
I love your content. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective and investing your time to share this information with others. Thank you for bearing witness and giving these animals your unconditional presence.
Question! What do you think about thrifted or hand-me-down wool, sill, leather?
This is a brilliant explanation of the difference between rights, liberation, and welfare! I was wondering what you think of the dictionary definition of murder/rape not applying to animal slaughter/artificial insemination? Do you think that vegans should still call it murder and rape?
snowdudeisnotonfire it definitely is rape. while I get why some vegans call killing animals murder, I do think other words like massacre, holocaust, killing are still direct and truthful
Aaron Verran it's not forceful sexual intercourse though. just forceful impregnation, so some argue that it's not technically correct
*imagine
Aaron Verran i never said it was okay. i just said it wasn't rape. rape is bad, murder is bad, but they're not the same thing.
I know your position, im just stating what happens.
I really appreciate your educational approach to spreading this message, and that you back up your opinions with legitimate facts. I wish more people stated their case as calmly and educationally as you do. Keep up the good work. Although I do consider myself a welfarist when it pertains to most situations in which animals are kept in human care, I do agree that the egg, meat, and dairy industries and laws applied to them are hypocritical when it comes to their approach to an animal’s well-being.
wow... I have never thought of this until now. thank you for opening my eyes. I always said I'm "for animal welfare", not really thinking about what it means. it just sounded good.
The system only placates animal rights advocates to try and get a little good press so they can keep slaughtering sentient beings for profit. It never has anything to do with helping the animals. If it did, they'd shut down their business and stop what they're doing. I love what you're doing and the message you're spreading, Emily. Keep it up!
Emily- thank you so much for yet another much needed, perfectly researched and curated video. I wish everybody on the planet would see it and take it to heart. Thank you for doing what you do.
Thank you for this. As always, excellent, clearly laid out information. I've considered the issue and impact of animal welfare on the overall cause for awhile now but never got very far. This was really helpful.
I realized with dread the other day that we have so distorted the Animals grown as Agriculture that I have no idea what/where it is these animals do in their natural environment. Reading Agricultural Laws in the US, slaughter in particular, the Monitoring of Compliance towards these laws require funds for training, placing and maintaining. It is as frightening to me as the barbaric laws themselves. As Dombower once said, once one becomes Vegan it is Alice in Wonderland- as your journey takes you deeper and deeper into the hole.. My journey of awareness started in the 70s with the 'Silent Spring' by Rachel Carlson. I am still only peering thru cloudy lenses; the truth is continually clouded and veiled, counting on the implant of denial and complacency. Thank You for what you do.
I will definitely gonna take steps towards this in future. Coz i dont lure myself that everything is good and every animal will be treated well when i grow up. So i m all prepared to stand against these cruelties.
Thank you. I have considered myself both a welfarist and an abolitionist, thinking that small changes need to be made first and every step in the right direction is good, so that would ultimately lead to an end of almost all animal suffering purposely inflicted by humans. This video was very informative and opened my eyes. I don't have the time or patience for an absurdity like waiting decades for farmers to provide animals with a few inches more space. I just handed out a ton of Cowspiracy flyers today :D
I wonder, are you also an abolitionist regarding pets?
Terrific, Emily. I hope your hard-hitting words can break through some people's cognitive dissonance. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Thank you for this video!!! Never knew there was a difference in the terminology between welfare and liberation, but it's really good to know!
Finally something of yours I can share on my timeline! This video will actually click bait a lot of meat eaters who are into animal welfare that ignore the other vegan posts..but I bet they will watch this as the tittle will annoy them enough to make them see why I'd say that.
Great video as always Emily! Is there somewhere that you put your video scripts online? Im always writing down good points that you make and it would be easier to just use copy and paste! 💗
Hi there! Well you know how I say "on the blog post for this video" a bunch in all my videos? That's the thing! Every single video has its own post, complete with citations for the academic ones. (the Ireland speech has over 100) The link is always in the description of every video. All the best!
Hello, i have a question for you. Not sure if you have made a video yet, but what are your views on wildlife conservation, especially the culling of elephants in southern Africa. Are animal rights organizations funding for alternative ways to reduce elephant populations?
you're so inspiring..
I have a problem with high female voice but in your case I manage to put that concern aside and focus on the content..
Yess so true. I'm asking my family to donate you for Christmas instead of presents
You are amazing! I was vegan for health, I am staying vegan for the animals.
cool t-shirt. where did you get it?
A shop
... Sorry I couldn't resist
confused by your answer
You inspired and helped me understand the facets of veganism three years ago. I am eternally grateful for your work.
When were you when Ireland? I'm a vegan activist in Ireland
In dublin
This video is so helpful because a lot of people don't know what welfare even is this will just make me look into things more even as a vegan thank you!!!
Thank you so much for this video! Does that mean that you consider yourself as an abolitionist? I know labels are superficial but in political movements they can be quite useful. Please make another video on the subject and even maybe an interview with Gary Francione? That would be amazing!! Thanks again
I really love your videos and how simple you make them. Thank you for educating people and working so hard to make these videos.
thank you so much for sharing! ;D And thank you for your kind words. Means the world
Emily, I am an educator. I have several degrees, all in the education field. I would like to expand my teaching to include educating others about veganism and all that that implies. I have watched several of your videos and I like that you include facts, statistics, researched-based evidence, etc. Although I have children who are "tech-savvy" when it comes to UA-cam, vlogging, videos, livestreams, etc., aren't really my milieu. My strong suit is actually writing. From what I've gathered from some of your speeches, your writing seems to be very articulate and educated as well. I was wondering if you would like to write a book, or at least an article with me, talking about the topics presented in your videos. You're probably very busy with your videos, speeches and other things, so if you don't have time to take on such a project, I completely understand. I would just like to play more of a significant role in creating big change for the sake of animals.
Completely agree. This is at par with people feeling good about eat cage free or free range.
i think you could have pointed out the main theoretical difference in the way Gary L. Francione does: that welfare focuses on the treatment of animals (humane, better, more space blah blah) while animal rights foucses on the use of animals - so all use is exploatation and so we fight against any kind of usage of animals, despite of how they are being treated.
Nice video and thank you :)
Great video ! Thank you!
you're so very welcome!
why cant everyone think like you bite size vegan
Ha! I don't know... would be a bit of a crazy world :P
I agree that small improvements in the animal farming industry isn't going to do anything impactful,but I do have criticisms.Firstly,I understand fully your position,but your solution is to make people stop eating meat/other APs all together.But,the issue is that isn't going to happen and it's FAR from realistic.So,you could do a few radical things:pass laws to ban animal consumption/agriculture or pass laws to improve animals in the agricultural process.The first option is ridiculous considering it would never pass and plus it would be bad considering its lack of personal choice in diet from a unbiased viewpoint.I think the best ways to is to help people with resources to transition to vegetarianism,veganism,or even flexitarianism.Then,support legislation to improve animal housing,supplying,and killing in agriculture in terms of laws that are fully understood of course.I love your message Emily of love,kindness,and support for animal and animal rights,but opposition to animal rights laws,encouraging vegetarianism,and shadowing negative assumptions on to meat-eaters.Not being rude towards you,your cause,or veganism but I'm just stating my opinion.
Wish you well. Upload again :)
Question and I'm not playing devil's advocate here I'm really wondering because you've sparked a whole new avenue for me to explore here that I guess I hadn't totally thought about. I've always said I'm fighting for animal welfare but I agree with you that I want animals out of the system not making the system with more rules to make it "kinder" before the murder. So the question is what would total liberation look like? What kind of time frame would we need, what would happen to the animals? Would it be a general fade out over the next say 5 years by ending any new animals from being bread and brought into the system ? Or is the hope and immediate shut down and ending and all animals are cared for by organizations unil the end of their natural life? Do you have resources for more info on this specific topic? Hope that all came across clear.. It can be hard to portray what you mean written in a comments section sometimes.
Not Your Average Vegan I suggest you do activism like earthlings experience or anonymous for the voiceless. welfare just looks for a nice way to enslave, exploit, and kill, all of which are contradictory to the premise of welfare.
Thank you for linking me to those groups. Ive seen their work. Ill be looking into it further. I agree with your description of welfare and never thought of that really the bottom line.
Which country do you live in? I can help point out what may be close and how to get involved
US
Ok state and city. Im in chicago so i do anonymous for the voiceless
I learn so much from you. I love the way you teach. Well done.
I am not either. Animals deserve to be free.
Enkeisiar がさいの yeah a liberationist/abolitionist
Emily, recently I explained how most welfare laws (like the one recently passed here in Massachusetts) increase animal exploitation because people feel the animals are treated better. I was challenged on that, and I really couldn't point to any research that backed up that point. Do you know of any? I mean, it seems logical, but is there evidence? You're amazing. Thank you for all you do!
Gary Francione has tons of research and statistics that back that up and prove it's true.
www.abolitionistapproach.com/
or his Facebook page
Thank you for your enlightening video...breaks my heart how animals still suffer at the hands of humans. 😥
I do feel annoyance when I go into Whole Foods and see Animal Welfare signs around their animal products, but I honestly thought it's because I'm vegan and see the problem with "welfare"...but I honestly didn't know how bad it was, I should have realized, due to how many ridiculous loopholes surround even laws regarding human workers. 12 years? That's appalling. It is almost worse in a way, because it gives people a false sense of things getting better. People can't possibly know if animal welfare even exists unless they raise their own animals or know their neighbors who do.
Thank you so much, dear Emily!
Hey Emily I am also Emily weird right anyway I wanted to say that I really support you because you speak so much truth and I love that. I find it amazing that you can get the truth out no matter how hard it is for you. So I wanted to say thank you for all these videos you make!💗🐮🐷🐣. I also wanted to say that you really helped me through my transformation to being a vegan and it got really hard sometimes but you helped me realize that it was the best thing to do so also thank you for that.❤️🌎🐾
Getting people to care MORE, when they now are unwilling to care so much that they'd actually go vegan must certainly be better for the animals in the long run.
Better conditions for animals also means that it's more expensive for the industry to keep them, and as the demand for better standards regularly increases, so will it eventually become completely unprofitable.
Now, I understand completely that for the animals right now, "Welfarism" isn't doing them any favours, and of course I WANT for them all to be saved immediately. But this is not within my power. All I can do is to live vegan myself, and try my best to inspire and convince others to do the same.
Just what else do you suggest we do? Do we simply not accept that this isn't enough? What will change then? Isn't this already the result of our very best efforts?
I think most of us are already trying to make people view animals as sentient, thinking beings, and that in fact no exploitation of them is ok. This also includes vegans for "Welfarism". So if you support this "Welfarism" or not - what is the actual practical difference for the animals?
Now, I love Emily and her channel, and also this video. She is very logical, and I completely agree that Welfarism isn't enough - of course it isn't! Anything that doesn't instantly save them all isn't enough! The point is that we can only do our best.
I just want to make it clear that in the above stated, I keep in mind that by being for the tiny developments that "Welfarism" amounts to isn't actually taking away from wanting the best for the animals, and that even though you're for it, it doesn't mean that you stop fighting for them in other ways or that you're not trying to completely challenge and change the attitude in people around animals as products.
Thankyou ! Wouldn't ever of thought of this view on animal welfare. Also thankyou for such amazing videos, only found you a couple of days ago and think your videos are cracking!
you work so hard Emily, we love you x
I hate going down this rabbit hole because it tends to divide Vegans, however, abolition does make the most sense to me. Go Vegan!
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts... and you're right, it can definitely be divisive. That's no my intention with this video, but rather to look at what the actual outcome of welfare regulations are-doesn't by default negate completely pursuing protection...just always best to do so with open eyes.
A gradual increase in legal rights is a symptom of a society slowly realising the error in their use of animals. Gradually giving animals more legal rights makes legal liberation possible eventually, the world won't go vegan overnight, and even ineffective laws show the gradual recognition of animal sentience by society. There is no evidence that animal welfare makes people eat animals more (even if it did make some people who wouldn't give up animal exploitation feel slightly better about it).
Although most animal welfare laws may not have any immediate benefit to animals, there's no reason to think they do damage so even if you don't support them, I can't see any good reason to oppose them.
I couldn't agree more.
Yep, 3 more inches in a cage in a decade or so will really help. #COMPREHENSIONFAIL
+AbdulRazak Alrayyis You may be right. Nevertheless, for those who already made it to the level of awareness to recognize that all forms of animal husbandry are exploitive and unnecessary it absolutely makes sense to concentrate their behaviour as consumers on the avoidance of animal husbandry rather than supporting animal welfare.
The thing is though is that you seem to be prizing slow change to something that happened quite rapidly. Factory farming has only been around really for about half a century. I don't think that there's anything heroic about people slowly coming to realizations Muslims and Jews had 2000 years ago with Halal and Kosher. Dude, even "primitive" societies had more regard for animals than post-modern corporate capitalists. And the lack of regard they have for animals extends to ALL life, which is why our earth is dying. We should be progressing forward, past Halal, and past Kosher, instead of congratulating people for inching slowly back towards something earlier societies took for granted.
Great video. Never knew about these terms but i have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.
So great to hear it was helpful! It's a pretty complex and difficult subject to be sure!
THANK YOU for doing this video, Emily!
Hi Emily! 🌱 can you do a video about eating disorders and going vegan. There's a lot of people saying vegan is an eating disorder 💚
You are a wonderful person! I couldn't agree with you more. Animals are the most abused creatures on the planet, with livestock having the worst of the worst treatment. Humans have this psychopathic view that animals are on this planet strictly for human use and so humans can do with them as they see fit. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Animals can feel happy, content, bond to others and display emotions. This means they also fear, feel pain, depression and unhappiness. We treat animals on a level or worse than the Holocaust, which was horrendous. So how can we subject animals to this same treatment, even creating profitable industries based on this horrendous treatment.
this person is sooo beautiful♥
All vegans are.
-except the ugly ones, they're only beautiful on the inside
Incredible. You speak so well and it is so easy to understand. Your videos make me stay positive on the vegan path. xxxx
SO great to hear ;D thank you so much!
me too
With that being said, any opinions on the passage of Question 2 in MA?
Thank you Emily
I watched a featurette about a legal suit brought to court in the UnitedStates to grant 'Personhood' to Whales, Dolphins, Elephants and Primates. It is still in the courts, and has started the dialogue. It is some hope.
Thank you
so well done. i wish i had ur way with words