@@segazora By placing the looper last, you can have reverb on the loop, and change the settings on the reverb pedal to have a different reverb while soloing over the loop
@@wumbr6467for most fuzzes (1 - 3 transistors) it is the case, but for more complex 4-transistor fuzzes you can put them anywhere, easy, but not too reliable way to test is see to look at how much knobs there are on the pedal, for those that go forst in a chain it's rarely more tham 3 knobs
Do NOT use a cheap daisy chain power supply if you have more then 2 pedals. Spend the money and get an isolated power supply like the voo doo lab. Daisy chains are easily overloaded will burn out. Especially if you are playing in venues which have varying quality of power.
100% I had a ton of terrible noise when I used a cheap power supply. When I got a voodoo lab power supply all the noise was gone. It’s 100% worth it and definitely not something you should cheap out on
Really depends on the pedals. Some pedals are completely fine to daisy chain. Just read how many amps your pedals use. You can daisy chain lots of pedals successfully, with zero extra noise, if they are low draw.
‘Quality of power’ is almost complete BS. People think ‘Isolated’ power supply means that it is ‘cleaner’ power or something. This completely wrong. They simply provide separate, ‘isolated’ power outputs for each of the pedals in a guitar pedalboard. They help protect against ground loops and surges but they not "clean up" the incoming power in terms of filtering out RF interference etc. It’s fine to daisy chain so long as you use good quality cables and understand the mA draw of your pedals.
If you put your looper 1st in your signal chain, it won't record the effects you use. You'll be stuck with your solo being exactly the same tone as the loop. It's better to place it at the end. That way, you can record a loop with a different tone than your solo.
Ah the days of all these pedals lol. Have to admit, i ditched all the extra baggage and just went with a Boss GT processor. 1 sizeable box, all of these effects and tons more, less all the cables and so on. Set it up properly and just as great!! Idk just my opinion, but gigging became so much easier, although now i help my damn drummer cause im in first 😅
Agreed. I have a Zoom multi effects pedal, its their cheaper one, like a 150 bucks. yes the amp sims on it are not good, but the effects, modulation and stuff THERES SO MANY, and for 150 bucks i have every reverb, delay, echo, or modulation i could ever want, even an EQ, cabinet IRs, and a tuner, as I place it at the end of my board. If i was to want a Wah/pedal or compressors, id probably buy another one and put it at the front of my board. Multi effects are just too versatile to pass up and sound good for most applications. Cheaper than a whole bunch of pedals. just put some Dirt and OD pedals in front and boom. the whole thing with "pedals" is almost a scam in my book. you need VERY FEW pedals. people have too much time and money and buy a bunch of expensive pedals. its ridiculous. no one hears the difference except the player fiddling with it. AT gigs, in the mix, just play. No one cares. my OCD is a clone from aliexpress at a fraction of the real one. Sounds good. no one needs to know. stop spending thousands on needless gear, play more!
Same here. My first was the Boss GT5 and I've stuck with Boss since. Simply the best, closest to analog tone as you can get. Lately I've reconnected with pedals and I've set up a pedalboard that's fun on smaller gigs, but when I hit the road I want simplicity. It's also great because it fits in my carry-on bag with clothes, etc. 😊
The only thing that matters imo is the gain structure, if ur stacking gain effects you need to make sure they're in the right order. Fuzz->dist->od-> and preamp/eq afterward. I run eq into my preamp since I use my eq as a top boost. Everything else is up to taste, tremolo after reverb can sound great. Delay after reverb can sound great, chorus after reverb sounds great. And great players have fun phasers/vibes in front of their gain stages.
there are few rules when it comes how to order them, most people would put OD before a distortion too, but really if it provides the sound you want, then tis good. that's all that matters.
Depends, the One Spot is pretty good. Some knock-offs aren't (the Godlyke version is awful). Don't mix analog drives with time-based or digital effects like chorus and delay. You can happily daisy chain EQ, boost and drive. Time-based stuff should have their own dedicated power.
Any effects that you want the saturation/dirt from the amp … plug into the input Anything that you want to stay clean, even on a super dirty amp use the effects loop (reverb, delay, modulation etc) Basically the effects loops is after the distortion on the amp. For my own board it’s - wah - fuzz - overdrive -> into the input of the amp -> effects “send” goes back to my chorus -> delay -> reverb -> into the effects “return”
Bro remake your video. Univibes and fuzzes NEED to go first. Looper depends on how you want to use it. At the front is useful for dialing in your pedals with your playing hands free while your riff loops, and at the end, like you said, you can use it to layer different sounds for your looping. I have more than one for that reason.
I'm racking my brain to come up with a scenario where I'd want a looper at the beginning of my chain, but I can't think of a single one. Maybe if you're recording and you're going to be switching between amps or something, but other than that, anything you record is going to be changed by whatever effect you turn on or off afterwards. I'd like to hear some reasons to do it this way, im sure there are some, I just can't think of them. Enlighten me. Shifting to a slightly different topic, I think it needs to be pointed out that SOME compressors can be put later like that, but probably not the one ¾ of players use regularly. FET and Optical compressors work well late like that since at heart they're studio compressors in a small enclosure, but most OTA comps that are designed around the guitar, like the Dyna Comp, Keeley and Ross compressors (which is what most players use) don't have the level of headroom you'd need, and they're just not designed to really be used like a studio compressor and it'll end up making everything running into it sound muddy. Some modulation works well at the end of the chain like that, others sound better going into the amp. My old CE-2 has a bit of a mid range and volume increase when you kick it on, not a lot, just a bit of a bump. That sounds better into the amp (or ODs, preamps, etc), whereas in the effects loop it sounds too 80's. And Flangers tend to cause a significant drop in volume when you turn them on, so that should be factored in.
Something important I feel like I have to add though, its usually alright to experiment with placement, certain things just dont work well at certain places in the pedalboard. An example of something thats different but good is distortion after reverb for like shoegaze type stuff
I highly reccomend not putting the gate at the end of the chain, because then it can unecessarily affect your modulation and time based effects. Instead, put it after your dirt pedals, but before your modulation pedals.
You can put them anywhere but there is still a 'generally correct' order to place them. From there it's just tweaking placement to get a sound suitable for you
Disagree, looper should go at the end not at the start. Noise gate should also come before modulation and time pedals. Fuzz should come first, before any other pedals. Also daisy chains are not a great way to power a board, best getting an isolated power supply that way there’ll be much less noise. Should be something like this: fuzz > tuner > pitch/filter > od/dist > noise gate > modulation > time > loop, compression and eq either before or after od/dist depending on what you prefer
As a bassist, I start with the tuner (obviously) into my noise gate/FX loop, then into a boost pedal to get my passive bass up to a similar level as my active bass, then into my compressor, then my distortion/EQ pedal, then loop back into the noise gate, finally going out to my wah and into the amp. Not sure if it is the best way to run everything, but it has been good to me so far.
The biggest mistake I made is buying a small pedalboard, I had 4 pedals that time, and right now I have like 8 pedals and I have to buy a bigger pedal board. Lesson: just buy a bigger pedal board no matter how many pedals you own
Bass player here! What's your judgment with my chain setup? Bass guitar> Strobostomp HD tuner> BOSS noise suppressor ns2> Tone Corset analog compressor> Nano Cortex (pedal modeler)> speaker (headrush frfr-112mk2) Also have a darkglass alpha Omicron pedal running thru the return and send jacks of the NS-2 NS2 Send> darkglass input and then darkglass output> NS-2 return What do you think? I wanna throw a bass EQ in there but not sure if its necessary
A lot of them do but from what I understand mini-style pedals do not and the battery does not last very long. You can totally do it though just know those risks!
Batteries are a pain. When you forget to unplug the input cable, it'll drain the battery. If you're using a pedalboard, you NEED a power source... and no daisy chaining. Invest in a decent power brick.
Get a strat, a fuzzface (or something like it) a wah (i like the vox ones) and something like a marshall, but most of his tone was in the playing so focus more on that than gear
All fine advise except for Daisy chain power. Ignore this completely it will fuck everything. Trust me. Invest in a decent power supply please I’m begging you don’t make the mistakes we touring musicians have made of the years
DO NOT BUY A 1 SPOT DAISY CHAIN THEY ARE SO BAD. They produce so much noise that even an ns 2 cant save u. You NEED an isolated power supply and a cheap one with a noise suppression circuit in it is like 40$
this is not a solid lesson. wah usually goes before the tuner and it makes zero sense to put the looper at the beginning when the idea is to run the other pedals into it so to have something to loop. hello
questionable video here - pedal order is not only in this kind of communicated order - I would say most players have modulated pedals before, not after, drive pedals
i don't quite understand why would you need to spend so much money and time on this, when you may just use guitar processor or even program on pc. Nowadays those things are not worse but sometimes even better than original
You’re right. And did you know that you don’t even have to play the guitar too? Just load up an app on your computer and let it do it for you. After all, you’re better than all the plebeians who *ugh* actually play the guitar. /FO
You would do it if you enjoy using pedals. Convenience is great; i use plugins all the time- this is still a hobby/creative pursuit for lots of players amateur to pro 👌🏼
Looper before effects is actually insane...
Frrrrrr I just thought of itt
Last, always last, and if you have an effects loop, it should be there... Last of all.
@@joguipo I like to have a little bit of reverb after my looper just so it's not a hard stop when you turn it off, but yeah
@@segazora By placing the looper last, you can have reverb on the loop, and change the settings on the reverb pedal to have a different reverb while soloing over the loop
@ you can, but I just tend to set the reverb and leave it
For people with fuzz put it as the firt thing in the chain, it sounds way better that way
Or at the very least, immediately after a tuner in true bypass mode
depends on the fuzz, no? tonebender and fuzzface yes but not like a muff
@@wumbr6467 yeah i think so sorry ,forgot👍
@@wumbr6467for most fuzzes (1 - 3 transistors) it is the case, but for more complex 4-transistor fuzzes you can put them anywhere, easy, but not too reliable way to test is see to look at how much knobs there are on the pedal, for those that go forst in a chain it's rarely more tham 3 knobs
@@wumbr6467 why is that, i am curious as i have a big muff
Do NOT use a cheap daisy chain power supply if you have more then 2 pedals. Spend the money and get an isolated power supply like the voo doo lab. Daisy chains are easily overloaded will burn out. Especially if you are playing in venues which have varying quality of power.
100% I had a ton of terrible noise when I used a cheap power supply. When I got a voodoo lab power supply all the noise was gone. It’s 100% worth it and definitely not something you should cheap out on
+1 to this take.
Really depends on the pedals. Some pedals are completely fine to daisy chain. Just read how many amps your pedals use. You can daisy chain lots of pedals successfully, with zero extra noise, if they are low draw.
‘Quality of power’ is almost complete BS. People think ‘Isolated’ power supply means that it is ‘cleaner’ power or something. This completely wrong. They simply provide separate, ‘isolated’ power outputs for each of the pedals in a guitar pedalboard. They help protect against ground loops and surges but they not "clean up" the incoming power in terms of filtering out RF interference etc.
It’s fine to daisy chain so long as you use good quality cables and understand the mA draw of your pedals.
I’d recommend a CS12
If you put your looper 1st in your signal chain, it won't record the effects you use. You'll be stuck with your solo being exactly the same tone as the loop.
It's better to place it at the end.
That way, you can record a loop with a different tone than your solo.
It's good when you are learning your pedals tho, to adjust delay time for a riff, or dial in the exact amount of gain you want for a riff or solo
You have to run the looper through the effects loop for that
@@UniversalSouls You'd have to run the looper through the effects loop for what?
@@castleanthrax1833 in order to record a different effect/tone for each loop...
@@UniversalSoulswait answer that guys question please cuz I also don’t know what you mean by that
This is as helpful as Verge’s PC build tutorial.
Ah the days of all these pedals lol. Have to admit, i ditched all the extra baggage and just went with a Boss GT processor. 1 sizeable box, all of these effects and tons more, less all the cables and so on. Set it up properly and just as great!! Idk just my opinion, but gigging became so much easier, although now i help my damn drummer cause im in first 😅
Agreed. I have a Zoom multi effects pedal, its their cheaper one, like a 150 bucks. yes the amp sims on it are not good, but the effects, modulation and stuff THERES SO MANY, and for 150 bucks i have every reverb, delay, echo, or modulation i could ever want, even an EQ, cabinet IRs, and a tuner, as I place it at the end of my board. If i was to want a Wah/pedal or compressors, id probably buy another one and put it at the front of my board. Multi effects are just too versatile to pass up and sound good for most applications. Cheaper than a whole bunch of pedals. just put some Dirt and OD pedals in front and boom. the whole thing with "pedals" is almost a scam in my book. you need VERY FEW pedals. people have too much time and money and buy a bunch of expensive pedals. its ridiculous. no one hears the difference except the player fiddling with it. AT gigs, in the mix, just play. No one cares. my OCD is a clone from aliexpress at a fraction of the real one. Sounds good. no one needs to know. stop spending thousands on needless gear, play more!
@@MikeDBZ WELL SAID!!!👏👏
Same here. My first was the Boss GT5 and I've stuck with Boss since. Simply the best, closest to analog tone as you can get.
Lately I've reconnected with pedals and I've set up a pedalboard that's fun on smaller gigs, but when I hit the road I want simplicity. It's also great because it fits in my carry-on bag with clothes, etc. 😊
@@nuthinbutlove Yeah bud!!🤘🤘
Looper last is more standard, but it’s important to highlight the fact that there’s no right or wrong here (except tuner first).
Dude as a new player you are saving my life when it comes to understanding pedals.
The only thing that matters imo is the gain structure, if ur stacking gain effects you need to make sure they're in the right order. Fuzz->dist->od-> and preamp/eq afterward. I run eq into my preamp since I use my eq as a top boost.
Everything else is up to taste, tremolo after reverb can sound great. Delay after reverb can sound great, chorus after reverb sounds great. And great players have fun phasers/vibes in front of their gain stages.
there are few rules when it comes how to order them, most people would put OD before a distortion too, but really if it provides the sound you want, then tis good. that's all that matters.
Daisy chains are awfully noisy
I used a one spot for a while, and it was fine until I got my micro pog. Literally the noisiest pedal, and my noise gate did nothing
Depends, the One Spot is pretty good. Some knock-offs aren't (the Godlyke version is awful). Don't mix analog drives with time-based or digital effects like chorus and delay. You can happily daisy chain EQ, boost and drive. Time-based stuff should have their own dedicated power.
I’m definitely using mod pedals before drive and fuzz
Thats was nat helpfull
Reverb before gain effects is actually a lot of fun to mess around with
Great. How about connecting the effects through loop in/out? And the differences if you connect directly into the input of your amp? 🧐🤘🏼
I guess that's a good topic for another video, there's only so much you can fit into a 1 minute video 😊
Any effects that you want the saturation/dirt from the amp … plug into the input
Anything that you want to stay clean, even on a super dirty amp use the effects loop (reverb, delay, modulation etc)
Basically the effects loops is after the distortion on the amp.
For my own board it’s - wah - fuzz - overdrive -> into the input of the amp -> effects “send” goes back to my chorus -> delay -> reverb -> into the effects “return”
Bro remake your video. Univibes and fuzzes NEED to go first. Looper depends on how you want to use it. At the front is useful for dialing in your pedals with your playing hands free while your riff loops, and at the end, like you said, you can use it to layer different sounds for your looping. I have more than one for that reason.
Certain transistor topology fuzz's are more effective earlier in your chain. Otherwise it can sound weak and buzzy
I'm racking my brain to come up with a scenario where I'd want a looper at the beginning of my chain, but I can't think of a single one. Maybe if you're recording and you're going to be switching between amps or something, but other than that, anything you record is going to be changed by whatever effect you turn on or off afterwards. I'd like to hear some reasons to do it this way, im sure there are some, I just can't think of them. Enlighten me.
Shifting to a slightly different topic, I think it needs to be pointed out that SOME compressors can be put later like that, but probably not the one ¾ of players use regularly. FET and Optical compressors work well late like that since at heart they're studio compressors in a small enclosure, but most OTA comps that are designed around the guitar, like the Dyna Comp, Keeley and Ross compressors (which is what most players use) don't have the level of headroom you'd need, and they're just not designed to really be used like a studio compressor and it'll end up making everything running into it sound muddy.
Some modulation works well at the end of the chain like that, others sound better going into the amp. My old CE-2 has a bit of a mid range and volume increase when you kick it on, not a lot, just a bit of a bump. That sounds better into the amp (or ODs, preamps, etc), whereas in the effects loop it sounds too 80's. And Flangers tend to cause a significant drop in volume when you turn them on, so that should be factored in.
I'm brand new to pedalboards, but when you said to daisy chain it, I realized this was satire
Well, nice video. Although, a looper pedal could go at the end or at any place you want, depending on the effects that you want on your loops.
Something important I feel like I have to add though, its usually alright to experiment with placement, certain things just dont work well at certain places in the pedalboard. An example of something thats different but good is distortion after reverb for like shoegaze type stuff
How build a board with fuzz and wah? Which goes first?
I highly reccomend not putting the gate at the end of the chain, because then it can unecessarily affect your modulation and time based effects. Instead, put it after your dirt pedals, but before your modulation pedals.
sir can i ask regarding my pedals, maybe you can help me how to setup my pedal chain.
you can literally put any pedal anywhere, there’s no such thing as a “correct” signal chain it all depends on the sound you’re going for
You can put them anywhere but there is still a 'generally correct' order to place them. From there it's just tweaking placement to get a sound suitable for you
@@jto541 something technically incorrect can sound great in the right context
Wah AFTER fuzz/overdrive for a Hendrix/Frusciante tone.
Disagree, looper should go at the end not at the start. Noise gate should also come before modulation and time pedals. Fuzz should come first, before any other pedals. Also daisy chains are not a great way to power a board, best getting an isolated power supply that way there’ll be much less noise. Should be something like this: fuzz > tuner > pitch/filter > od/dist > noise gate > modulation > time > loop, compression and eq either before or after od/dist depending on what you prefer
Hey! I have that same guitar. Great instrument.
Hey what year is your Marshall plexi? It looks pre old
1999 ‘87x re-issue MKII head paired with a 1976 salt & pepper basket weave cabinet with original Celestion g30s 👌🏼
Your board layout is truly astounding
In those kinds of pedalboards Its very uncomfortable to use the wah, that's why I prefer the flatboards
Your voxs is sick
I run a Cioks DC7/8 power supply, it cut so much noise from my signal
As a bassist, I start with the tuner (obviously) into my noise gate/FX loop, then into a boost pedal to get my passive bass up to a similar level as my active bass, then into my compressor, then my distortion/EQ pedal, then loop back into the noise gate, finally going out to my wah and into the amp. Not sure if it is the best way to run everything, but it has been good to me so far.
Or the tuner at the end to use as a dead switch
Sorry anyone know why pedals have to go in a certain order?
The biggest mistake I made is buying a small pedalboard, I had 4 pedals that time, and right now I have like 8 pedals and I have to buy a bigger pedal board. Lesson: just buy a bigger pedal board no matter how many pedals you own
Do you use Rode Wireless Pro mic?
It’s Rode GO 2!
@@dredimura thanks!
Bass player here! What's your judgment with my chain setup?
Bass guitar> Strobostomp HD tuner> BOSS noise suppressor ns2> Tone Corset analog compressor> Nano Cortex (pedal modeler)> speaker (headrush frfr-112mk2)
Also have a darkglass alpha Omicron pedal running thru the return and send jacks of the NS-2
NS2 Send> darkglass input and then darkglass output> NS-2 return
What do you think? I wanna throw a bass EQ in there but not sure if its necessary
Nice BP shirt tho
Nice spark stack
I have that same looper
Sound 😇🍷🗿
Power bill 💀📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📈
By the way great video 👍 😊
Upside down pedals make my soul scream haha
loop first is certainly a choice.
daisy chain < isolated power supply
Holy helpful
Depends on wah. My wh10 sounds great after dirt but terrible before it. Opposite for crybaby
compressor pedal should come before overdrive 👍
Me with Fender Mustang
blackpink mentioned!!!!!!!
saying "correct" signal flow is debatable as it is an opinion
put the looper in the end in the effects loop
Bro WHY do you need this much pedals
A lot of amps don’t have any on board effects
dont most if not all pedals take 9 volt batteries
You don't really need the battery if you have a power supply
A lot of them do but from what I understand mini-style pedals do not and the battery does not last very long. You can totally do it though just know those risks!
It seems like more boutique pedals don’t. I did the battery thing for a bit. It gets expensive quick.
Batteries are a pain. When you forget to unplug the input cable, it'll drain the battery. If you're using a pedalboard, you NEED a power source... and no daisy chaining. Invest in a decent power brick.
dont put anything before the fuzz
Ну ща процессоры нормальный звук выдают
Anyone else read "Super Shifter" as "Super Shitter"?
Ok hear me out… chorus before distortion
Interesting. Never tried that - but I will now. Thanks!
Who in their right mind puts the looper near the beginning
Just get a multi fx and be done with it
Cooked tutorial 😅
Please, for the love of all things holy, don’t use a daisy chain 1 spot
My man made all the wrong choices
DO NOT use a daisy chain power supply -.-
How can I sound like Jimi Hendrix
You can't
Get a strat, a fuzzface (or something like it) a wah (i like the vox ones) and something like a marshall, but most of his tone was in the playing so focus more on that than gear
Practice 😂
@@MannesLubThanks!
@@GreenSkyDillok fucker you don't have to be an asshole
All fine advise except for Daisy chain power. Ignore this completely it will fuck everything. Trust me. Invest in a decent power supply please I’m begging you don’t make the mistakes we touring musicians have made of the years
Let's hear how "your layout", actually sounds.🤔
fuzz and wah should be very first
1 spot daisy chained with all that - really?
DO NOT BUY A 1 SPOT DAISY CHAIN THEY ARE SO BAD. They produce so much noise that even an ns 2 cant save u. You NEED an isolated power supply and a cheap one with a noise suppression circuit in it is like 40$
or just get a line6 helix floor
To make it simple
Step 1: buy a multi effects pedal (Line6 pod is goated)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS. MUTLIEFFECTS
How to build a board then puts pedals upside down 🤦🏻♂️
Dang!! I’ll stick with modelers instead of 50 year old technology 😂
im good with a footswitch
i’m impressed by how much misinformation you managed to squeeze into such a short video
Man there was some pretty bad advice in this video lol
Me (after watching dozens of hours of the Jhs show, and spent hundreds of hours on Sweetwater): wrong
dear lord, what a pain, thank goodness for Kemper and Fractal
To expensive
Looper goes at the end 🙄. Lost me five seconds in.
this is not a solid lesson. wah usually goes before the tuner and it makes zero sense to put the looper at the beginning when the idea is to run the other pedals into it so to have something to loop. hello
First time I've heard of a Looper at the end of The Chain.
questionable video here - pedal order is not only in this kind of communicated order - I would say most players have modulated pedals before, not after, drive pedals
Or buy a modeler💀
Don’t listen to this guy.
Daisy chain?!? This is the worst advice on pedal boards ever.
If you need all that, you don't know how to play
That’s the worst advice and build I’ve seen in a longggg time 😂
That was a terrible way of showing how to connect the pedals. How is someone supposed to understand how you connect the pedals with their chords?
How to set up the ugliest pedal board 😂
Wow, word salad. Barely anything instructive of value here.
Wrong
This guy don't know shit
This make no fucking sense
🤢🤮 noooo
Bad advice, get a job
sorry dude but that is an ugly board
i don't quite understand why would you need to spend so much money and time on this, when you may just use guitar processor or even program on pc. Nowadays those things are not worse but sometimes even better than original
Because there are purists like myself who don't always want a digital modeler.
That’s not as fun. Plus I like to mod my pedals
You’re right. And did you know that you don’t even have to play the guitar too? Just load up an app on your computer and let it do it for you. After all, you’re better than all the plebeians who *ugh* actually play the guitar. /FO
Cuz it's fun
You would do it if you enjoy using pedals. Convenience is great; i use plugins all the time- this is still a hobby/creative pursuit for lots of players amateur to pro 👌🏼
fuzz after 10228 pedals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂