As someone who has investigated every single case of claimed SRA in the UK in the past 30 years and found not one of them to be true, I think you are in need of more training or a course in basic psychology. Everyone making accusations should be listened to. The point is that they should not be believed until facts turn up to corroborate what they are saying. Such facts are always entirely absent in claimed cases of SRA. Arnold.
@@tonywilthshire308 WRONG. They were done for the rape of an adult female, involving their son in under-age sex, and running a brothel, not SRA. Full story about these perverts here: saff.nfshost.com/kidwelly.htm
Yes Jerome, SAFF have a full copy . Check out saff.nfshost.com/devilvid.htm for the full story. The SAFF was actually instrumental in saving Orridge's bacon at the time. It was our research which enabled TOPY to fight the suppression/censorship. Though after taking our life-line they ignored us afterwards. Arnold.
I'm sure this happens but I think it's extremely well organized and as such I don't think it's happening in cemeteries or old dreary places I think it's absolutely hidden and well protected by the rich and powerful So the public will probably never see inside the real goings on
It's happening NOWHERE. People who WANT to believe it keep breathing life into this tired old myth but the SAFF has tracked it for 30 years, from its inception and despite 30yrs of fundie 'investigators' scouring the globe for evidence and turning over every stone not one case of SRA has been found. Not one. No bodies, No Bones, No perps, No victims. Plenty of victim imposters though! Believe me dear, it's bull. For the whole story you need to read our website saff.nfshost.com/ which contains all the antidotes to the wild (and untrue) claims. Arnold.
SAFFUTUBE I will reiterate I don't think it happens on a wide scale or in all these mythical sites like cemeteries I live in the US where we have the Church of Satan and many other satanic worship places.. So satanism is very real.... and I'm sure there are sick pedophile parents who do add satanism into their child abuse acts... Do I think the church says On Friday we will sacrifice a child and eat its heart??!! NO! Do I think there are sick parents who are satanist who molest and rape their children YES! There has been cases here where the child has accused their family of this and where the parents eventually confess after failing polygraph tests But more then not there are also cases in which ppl have been accused of sexual abuse and devil worshipping sacrifice such as in the West Memphis 3 case where Damien Echols and his 2 friends were accused of killing 3 small boys in a sacrifice....He was sentenced to death.... and almost executed till new evidence freed him from prison all together And then the day care scandal that sent ppl to prison and it was found to be a total lie... And if there are these thing goin on I would think we'd never know about it because these types of things are well protected and includes prominent members of society I believe child sex abuse has been very much proven to be happening at the hands of celebrities and politicians That's been proven .. here in America anyway and in the U.K. There are stories bout jimmy saville the politicians ,, care homes for children-- etc where the victims are now adults and are speaking out...
Chris Tina hi there, I think you are mostly correct. The writing over the documentary is greatly skewed in favour of those who don’t believe in satanic ritual abuse. Three years later, 2020 chid abuse is very much known about. SRA (satanic ritual abuse) has come to the foreground and growing numbers of child survivors of SRA are being given a platform to educate people.
Oh, so this was all BS, you are saying. Then why is it that all over the USA and UK kids report very similar stories and experiences. How so so many so young find a way to unite like this and show the very real emotions that they do? If you are going to blame foster mothers or social workers helping, how do they get to know all this and how is it that they all decide get get together on both sides of ocean and perpetrate these atrocities? What was their collective motivation? I dare you to answer!
+Truth1 That's because they are human beings and kids and adults do report similar things within the human experience. Ever had a nightmare about spiders when you were a kid? Ever told a child not to go into the bushes in case an Adder bites them? Ever been frightened in a dark place? Wow! When kids are asked about things that frighten them they talk about spiders, snakes and caves! Grow up! From before they have independent thought kids are stuffed full of fairy stories about 'wicked witches'. Wow! When they are asked to narrate who scared them they tell you it was witches! What's that evidence of? Your stupidity if you think it really was wicked witches. Grow up. Anyone who thinks kids can't lie or that adults don't fantasise is a complete fool. These ridiculous fundie inspired SRA allegations were created by sectarians who want to see their worst fears realised and have been in EVERY instance scotched by either easily obtainable facts or by the passage of time. You have had 30 years to prove your case. YOU'VE FAILED. You say SRA exists. They've been saying that for 30 years now and those who do say it exists have NEVER been able to prove just ONE instance of SRA. It's not a problem, it's a sectarian belief. You want to see the Devil in every corner of modern life. We see ignorance as the devil and these false accusations help 'him'. Do you realise you are perpetrating evil by following these beliefs? Do you know the extensive harm caused to children by this myth? Do you know how many innocent people have had their lives destroyed by this utter lie? Would you like to be one of them? Because I could easily make up a nice convincing but utterly untrue story about you abusing kids in satanic ceremonies if you like? Of course we would never do that because we only search for the truth and the facts. And here's your's for today: Grow up and wise up. See; saff.nfshost.com/dickens.htm see: saff.nfshost.com/rans.htm see saff.nfshost.com/panoramavip.htm and bone up on the other EVIDENCE on our website which has never been discredited by any of the voluble 'believers'. Arnold Frampton.
+SAFFUTUBE Sorry pal, but the problem here is not growing up. And what kids talk about is more than spiders, fool! Being put in cages and hung up is not something kids normally think about. They dont' know the ins and outs of sex, either. Where did you grow up? In a cult I bet! They would know. Your a professional apologist and liar as far as I am concerned. There is no defense that is believable in these extremes. Sometimes, a duck is a duck and truth is truth. Too bad you're on the wrong side.
+Truth1 Okay Jimmy! You are a classic example of the Cognitive Dissonance ripe amongst those conspiracyloons who populate the fringes of the Satanic Ritual Abuse lobby. If any commentator disagrees with you and puts forward a spirited defence of the Truth he is immediately accused of being a paedophile, or a satanist, or both. I am neither but I suspect that a lot of your vehemence is actually psychological projection, if you know what that means. Accusing others of being part of the imagined conspiracy conveniently side-steps having to answer the really pertinent questions disbelievers ask of those who continually harp on about SRA. You did not, for instance, address any of the questions I posed to you about this issue. A state of denial leaves idiots free to fantasise about a global network of Satanic paedophile gangs which simply does not exist. It may suit your twisted view of the world, but it's tripe. The damage you and your kind are doing to children the world over is immense and you should be held to account over it. When the liar 'Nick' is eventually prosecuted for stoking this latest Westminster VIP Paedo witch-hunt which has made fools of MPs, Police, the NSPCC and government, no doubt you and your coterie of 'victim imposters' will also all agree, with smug self-satisfaction, that the public's pursuance of the truth and making people like 'Nick' pay for their social vandalism is actually all proof of the 'fact' that the majority of the population who doesn't believe in a pan-global satanic conspiracy is part of it! Idiot. There is no 'wrong' or 'right' side in this. What matters is that children are protected from REAL harm which does exist in our society and not waste scarce resources which should go to protecting kids at REAL risk, into the sink-hole of Satanic Abuse Scaremongering. Arnold.
+SAFFUTUBE Jimmy? NO, Truth1. You know, if you keep doing that, you'll go blind. Imagination? Is that what you call thousands of witnesses and their testimony. Aren't drugs against the law where you live? Oh yeah. Satanists are above and outside the law. I forgot! My bad! Long live Satanic panic if that is what you want to call the thousands of victims. Its all in our minds, right?
One thing I have learnt is that if somebody has "truth" in their name you can be sure of them having no interest in the "truth" what-so-ever!
If you can find a false fact in any of the hundreds of SAFF articles point it out and I'll give you a fiver.
Arnold.
As a trauma therapist for 12 years SRA does exist and does go on.
Believing and hearing the survivor is absolutely crucial.
As someone who has investigated every single case of claimed SRA in the UK in the past 30 years and found not one of them to be true, I think you are in need of more training or a course in basic psychology.
Everyone making accusations should be listened to.
The point is that they should not be believed until facts turn up to corroborate what they are saying. Such facts are always entirely absent in claimed cases of SRA.
Arnold.
@@saffutube6980 Colin Batley and his crew are in prison for SRA
@@tonywilthshire308 WRONG. They were done for the rape of an adult female, involving their son in under-age sex, and running a brothel, not SRA. Full story about these perverts here: saff.nfshost.com/kidwelly.htm
Yes the Utah ritual abuse is proof. Two arrests so far with more to come I’m sure
@@saffutube6980 With you 100%. And keep your eye out for the Channel 4 documentary about the Hampstead hoax due to be aired in the new year
Anyone got a copy of " Beyond Belief" ~ Dispatches? Apparently Psychic Tv are the main target of the film .
Yes Jerome, SAFF have a full copy .
Check out
saff.nfshost.com/devilvid.htm
for the full story. The SAFF was actually instrumental in saving Orridge's bacon at the time. It was our research which enabled TOPY to fight the suppression/censorship. Though after taking our life-line they ignored us afterwards.
Arnold.
"And the teddy bear in the middle was obviously a child that was going to be sacrificed..." 🙄 Bit of a stretch!! 🙄
This tape has seen some abuse
I would go so far as to say satanic tape abuse. That's a good name for a band!
Why would anyone want to use a video camera, in a graveyard? she says, whilst talking into a video camera, in a graveyard.
I'm sure this happens but I think it's extremely well organized and as such I don't think it's happening in cemeteries or old dreary places
I think it's absolutely hidden and well protected by the rich and powerful
So the public will probably never see inside the real goings on
It's happening NOWHERE. People who WANT to believe it keep breathing life into this tired old myth but the SAFF has tracked it for 30 years, from its inception and despite 30yrs of fundie 'investigators' scouring the globe for evidence and turning over every stone not one case of SRA has been found. Not one. No bodies, No Bones, No perps, No victims. Plenty of victim imposters though! Believe me dear, it's bull. For the whole story you need to read our website saff.nfshost.com/ which contains all the antidotes to the wild (and untrue) claims. Arnold.
SAFFUTUBE I will reiterate
I don't think it happens on a wide scale or in all these mythical sites like cemeteries
I live in the US where we have the Church of Satan and many other satanic worship places.. So satanism is very real.... and I'm sure there are sick pedophile parents who do add satanism into their child abuse acts...
Do I think the church says
On Friday we will sacrifice a child and eat its heart??!! NO!
Do I think there are sick parents who are satanist who molest and rape their children YES!
There has been cases here where the child has accused their family of this and where the parents eventually confess after failing polygraph tests
But more then not there are also cases in which ppl have been accused of sexual abuse and devil worshipping sacrifice such as in the West Memphis 3 case where Damien Echols and his 2 friends were accused of killing 3 small boys in a sacrifice....He was sentenced to death.... and almost executed till new evidence freed him from prison all together
And then the day care scandal that sent ppl to prison and it was found to be a total lie...
And if there are these thing goin on I would think we'd never know about it because these types of things are well protected and includes prominent members of society
I believe child sex abuse has been very much proven to be happening at the hands of celebrities and politicians
That's been proven .. here in America anyway and in the U.K. There are stories bout jimmy saville the politicians ,, care homes for children-- etc where the victims are now adults and are speaking out...
Chris Tina hi there, I think you are mostly correct. The writing over the documentary is greatly skewed in favour of those who don’t believe in satanic ritual abuse. Three years later, 2020 chid abuse is very much known about. SRA (satanic ritual abuse) has come to the foreground and growing numbers of child survivors of SRA are being given a platform to educate people.
Oh, so this was all BS, you are saying. Then why is it that all over the USA and UK kids report very similar stories and experiences. How so so many so young find a way to unite like this and show the very real emotions that they do? If you are going to blame foster mothers or social workers helping, how do they get to know all this and how is it that they all decide get get together on both sides of ocean and perpetrate these atrocities? What was their collective motivation? I dare you to answer!
+Truth1
That's because they are human beings and kids and adults do report similar things within the human experience. Ever had a nightmare about spiders when you were a kid? Ever told a child not to go into the bushes in case an Adder bites them? Ever been frightened in a dark place? Wow! When kids are asked about things that frighten them they talk about spiders, snakes and caves! Grow up!
From before they have independent thought kids are stuffed full of fairy stories about 'wicked witches'. Wow! When they are asked to narrate who scared them they tell you it was witches! What's that evidence of? Your stupidity if you think it really was wicked witches. Grow up.
Anyone who thinks kids can't lie or that adults don't fantasise is a complete fool. These ridiculous fundie inspired SRA allegations were created by sectarians who want to see their worst fears realised and have been in EVERY instance scotched by either easily obtainable facts or by the passage of time. You have had 30 years to prove your case. YOU'VE FAILED.
You say SRA exists. They've been saying that for 30 years now and those who do say it exists have NEVER been able to prove just ONE instance of SRA. It's not a problem, it's a sectarian belief. You want to see the Devil in every corner of modern life. We see ignorance as the devil and these false accusations help 'him'. Do you realise you are perpetrating evil by following these beliefs?
Do you know the extensive harm caused to children by this myth?
Do you know how many innocent people have had their lives destroyed by this utter lie?
Would you like to be one of them? Because I could easily make up a nice convincing but utterly untrue story about you abusing kids in satanic ceremonies if you like?
Of course we would never do that because we only search for the truth and the facts. And here's your's for today: Grow up and wise up.
See; saff.nfshost.com/dickens.htm
see: saff.nfshost.com/rans.htm
see saff.nfshost.com/panoramavip.htm
and bone up on the other EVIDENCE on our website which has never been discredited by any of the voluble 'believers'.
Arnold Frampton.
+SAFFUTUBE Sorry pal, but the problem here is not growing up. And what kids talk about is more than spiders, fool! Being put in cages and hung up is not something kids normally think about. They dont' know the ins and outs of sex, either. Where did you grow up? In a cult I bet! They would know. Your a professional apologist and liar as far as I am concerned. There is no defense that is believable in these extremes. Sometimes, a duck is a duck and truth is truth. Too bad you're on the wrong side.
+Truth1
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/136592NCJRS.pdf
+Truth1
Okay Jimmy!
You are a classic example of the Cognitive Dissonance ripe amongst those conspiracyloons who populate the fringes of the Satanic Ritual Abuse lobby. If any commentator disagrees with you and puts forward a spirited defence of the Truth he is immediately accused of being a paedophile, or a satanist, or both. I am neither but I suspect that a lot of your vehemence is actually psychological projection, if you know what that means.
Accusing others of being part of the imagined conspiracy conveniently side-steps having to answer the really pertinent questions disbelievers ask of those who continually harp on about SRA. You did not, for instance, address any of the questions I posed to you about this issue. A state of denial leaves idiots free to fantasise about a global network of Satanic paedophile gangs which simply does not exist. It may suit your twisted view of the world, but it's tripe.
The damage you and your kind are doing to children the world over is immense and you should be held to account over it. When the liar 'Nick' is eventually prosecuted for stoking this latest Westminster VIP Paedo witch-hunt which has made fools of MPs, Police, the NSPCC and government, no doubt you and your coterie of 'victim imposters' will also all agree, with smug self-satisfaction, that the public's pursuance of the truth and making people like 'Nick' pay for their social vandalism is actually all proof of the 'fact' that the majority of the population who doesn't believe in a pan-global satanic conspiracy is part of it! Idiot.
There is no 'wrong' or 'right' side in this. What matters is that children are protected from REAL harm which does exist in our society and not waste scarce resources which should go to protecting kids at REAL risk, into the sink-hole of Satanic Abuse Scaremongering.
Arnold.
+SAFFUTUBE Jimmy? NO, Truth1. You know, if you keep doing that, you'll go blind. Imagination? Is that what you call thousands of witnesses and their testimony. Aren't drugs against the law where you live? Oh yeah. Satanists are above and outside the law. I forgot! My bad! Long live Satanic panic if that is what you want to call the thousands of victims. Its all in our minds, right?
Thanks for debunking this nonsense.
You are welcome. Lots More on saff.nfshost.com
Sherlock Campbell was the creepiest thing in this video..lol
Within 5 minutes of this programme concluding over 4000 phone calls came in from victims: ua-cam.com/video/fbpZ1sbiTF0/v-deo.html