UNTOLD: Group Chat Leads To 8 Years In Prison | Channel 4 Documentaries
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- Опубліковано 20 лис 2022
- Following the brutal murder of a 16-year-old on the streets of Moston, Manchester, a group of friends joined a Telegram chat - they say to grieve and vent their anger. Eighteen months later, these group chat messages formed the key evidence in a trial in which 10 teenagers were presented as a brutal gang, who listened to drill and plotted revenge. All were sentenced to a total of 131 years in prison.
One of those teens sentenced to eight years in jail - is Ade. He had been head boy at his school, was a promising sportsman and high-flying student with an offer to study law at university. His sent messages in the chat though none of those messages has ever led to an attack on anyone.
In this film Abayomi, a 22-year-old student who knew Ade, investigates how someone with a bright future, who had never been in trouble with the law, can get jailed for sending messages. He explores: the use of conspiracy law at a time where there is a lot said on social media and in app group chats; whether this sentence fits the crime and asks if race plays a part in the way that gang trials cases are built.
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It is not normal black youth culture just let me correct to what was said
The way they try and make it look like this is how normal black people behave 🤯
@@tobiadeyemo3992 yeah it’s ridiculous. It’s very patronising
@@tobiadeyemo3992 the majority of black people behave like this and should be jailed accordingly. Black on black Stabbings in London, black peoples constantly mugging civilians, so yes black people are the problem
It is apparently pretty normal for US blacks they try to emulate. Read the stats for murders.
Exactly that comment was very stupid and embarrassing
I'm black myself but this documentary tries so hard to paint a picture of complete innocence of the boys involved and I don't fully buy it. I don't think Ade deserves 8 years but he he had one foot in and one foot out. He did so much amazing stuff but he still had some form of affiliation with the streets. He dropped a whole postcode and the social workers defence was 'no one went to the address', do you know how crazy that sounds? It's not about whether they went or not, its about the INTENT behind dropping the postcode in the first place!
Nah but 8 years for that he should get a couple months or nothing I’ve seen worst crimes get less
Couldn't agree more bro
Talk about church and all, let's refer to scripture.
Christ says in new testament that we murder in our hearts - we do not need to definitively perform the act of killing, unjustly, in order to be deemed murderers in gods eyes and therefore to sin the ultimate sin against the holy ghost.
He is guilty as sin.
Why would you talk online!?. And why do people do this things for no gains.?. After you kill sombody, your chances to be happy later in Life is gone.(if not for an psycopath). Beauty is gone forever.
Facts. ✊🏾🙏🏾
That youth worker is stretching.
A non violent chase?!? I’m guessing the guy dropped his phone and they were just trying to catch up with him to give it back? 🙄
Also, suggesting that making drill music with lyrics about gangs and postcodes etc is “normal black youth behaviour “ is straight up racist
More than racist, It's criminal and misleading as she is attempting to portray in a different light.
Black youth culture yes.
100%
That’s not racist to state
Same way it’s not racist to say south Asian done really go outside their group of people.
Or white propel cook the blandest food
Exactly 😂😂😂
Who was the music Invented by?
@@perpetualintellectual2026 Not normal black youth
i dont blame Ade for being upset but bro was hanging out with people who clearly were doing gang shit and he was sending out death threats
Also claiming that this is "black youth culture" to be chasing eachother down with knives and running people over is so fuckin racist its insane
M40 are a legit gang in Manchester, m40 was not a drill group it is a postcode gang that social worker is talking out her ass.
I agree!
He was not a criminal or took part in any of the gang activities. Saying the wrong things, at the wrong time. Hang out with rotten fruit, eventually one gets infected!
@@missqt48 lol you're crazy ngl
It’s disgusting to ascribe such behaviour to “black” culture. racists would have a field day with this. This behaviour doesn’t represent black people. Only a small part. And yeah, it is a problem within black communities but to say it’s part of a wider culture is crazy.
@@alana4988 Hahahaha deluded. Bring these people into the country and along comes their culture 🙄 send them to Rwanda and let them chase each around with machetes there
This is why they say you are the company you keep.
Exactly
1 Corinthians 15:33
33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
everyone wants to be a gangster until they actually need to face the consequences.. those are some of the most delusional people i´ve ever seen in a documentary. "this can happen to anyone in a group chat" yeah.. no.
Just stfu it’s so easy to talk if you’ve not lived a life of pure struggle and pain.
The kid gave them the victims address? Why are people questioning why he got sentenced? Would you defend someone giving pedophiles the details of underage girls? No you wouldn’t 🤦♂️
Did you actually watch the documentary?? That wasn’t their address it’s a location where they frequently hang out and nothing happened there. Please turn on your brain before fixing your fingers to type nonsense online because you sound very dumb. Time Stamps 4:14 onwards.
Facts
Because it's "culture" lol
@@OLI-vx1mdhas nothing to do with culture you just want to be edgy for no reason
@@donabz1471 He's saying that because it was mentioned in the video
'This can happen to anyone in a group chat!'*
*if your friends are actively chasing people down in the street with knives and trying to kill people whilst you supply them with information
Anyone can find a postcode anywhere in UK, it's dead easy. If I can do it anyone can!
Exactly , everyone’s a victim nowadays when they have to face fact . Or at least there’s some stupid media source that creates a wrongdoing narrative. This shouldn’t of even been a documentary.
@livingitup Na this could only catch out kids. As a grown adult I would automatically remind my friends of the consequences of harming that person ie prison life being over. If my friend or associate then makes the conscious decision to take that persons life then i have nothing to do with it. Because even the police say well why didn’t you call the police. My response can be that I never thought that he would go through with it and i was also never at the scene.
Exactly. If I chat with my friends about being really cross with someone, no one is suggesting to kill them, or providing the group (where members shared they want revenge) with the person's address/postal code. I don't hang out with thugs so none of us would be plotting revenge. We'd vent, of course, and support each other in case of a loss. But you know what, my friend don't get killed in gang violence because none of us are in a gang! Yes sometimes an innocent bystander gets killed but these were all people who were into a criminal lifestyle or knowingly socialised with people who were in a criminal lifestyle. You lay down with dogs you come up with fleas.
@@tessaadie659 The point is what was the purpose and intent of sharing that postcode, which is personal information that can be detrimental if handed over to the wrong person aka a knife wielding and grieving gangster.
Hearing the guy talk about how he has to act a certain way so he's not seen as a gang member is heart breaking. That must be exhausting!
That really hurt to hear. But it is a reality..
What is heart breaking is the women who is meant to support these young men and lawyer in London think black culture is gang culture. So when young black men grow up in the west they take on gang culture traits. Traits that you see in no majority black country, only in western white countries because that's what fed to the people!
Funnily enough even as a black woman I also feel I have to mindful of how I’m perceived based on very normal behaviour, for example keeping my hands visible when in retail areas as you know we are already profiled as shoplifters a lot of the time
@@mimid6354 The worst part about that is that even with black as well as white security guards, I still feel as though I have to keep my hands visible at all times. It's like we can't catch a break
@@Coco5555 yes I relate 100% it’s honestly exhausting
The Youth Worker is delusional 😂 God help anyone that she works with because she has zero advice
She is naive AF
Non violent chase 😂😂😂
@@fcophone4253it was only non violent because the dude being chased ran away , otherwise they would’ve kicked his head in
Alot of youth workers and careers advisors are.
@@nomnomnommy2955 You and I both know that they weren't just chasing him to give him a hug.
The bias in this documentary is astonishing. Good people don't sit in group chats passing out postcodes to killers and flexing money. At that point your fully involved.
Thank you! The youth workers' passive language was quite revealing. "Had a knife used on them.", good grief, he was stabbed!
@@KillaManjarohlmao they make it sound like someone was spreading butter on him.
The flexing money was a non-issue. You and I both know that it doesn't actually prove anything. The postcodes being put in a group chat actively discussing taking revenge for murder is not a good look and almost certainly ties you to any conspiracy to commit murder.
“Yeah there was violence invovled but…” 😂😂 this the people that caused all these stabbings anyways
Exactly.
That social worker has a victim complex that needs to get rid of or she isn't going to help anyone if she is just in denial.
Youth worker *
@@user-vu8zy1pu3v same category smart arse
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“This could happen to anyone!”
No it really couldn’t..
This only happens to people who voluntarily socialise with violent criminals and who go along with talks about committing crimes. This wouldn't happen to any of my immediate family, my friend, or co-workers.
Yeah it's as if a certain demographic can't think for themselves.
@@user-uj8cx3dw3r Yeah same demographic that complains about being victims of Oldham grooming gangs. Just think for themselves!
Nonsense comment. I support young people in schools. Kids go to school, and disagreements, arguments, or fights happen with most young people from different backgrounds, races, and cultures. All it takes is ONE situation and these modern children and young people start talking, arguing and plotting on group chats, which often results in large groups involved in an organised fight or a stabbing.
@@9etherking707 No one at my school ever stabbed or killed anyone, it was never a subject of discussion either.
He was involved with gang members. Was caught contributing in a group telegram chat (an app synonymous with dodgy activity). Dabbled in drill music, which describes violence a lot more and in more detail than hip hop or rap has ever done. His problem is that people are tired of sharing oxygen with gangs and anti-socials. By "people", I mean honest, hardworking citizens who just want to make a better life for themselves and their families without hurting anyone else. They are pitched against the perp's families, friends and sympathisers (like the Youth Worker who claimed it was a "non-violent chase" smh), because these are often damaged individuals who are against the establishment by default, and see in these situations an opportunity to show allegiance to their side, as well as channel their anger and disaffection with society.
word salad
@normanno8514 I understand. It's difficult for some
@@darealdealuk it's patently difficult for you to write coherently and cogently - you are not anywhere near as clever as you think you are btw
I thought there was an injustice here. Na bro you gave up one of people’s postcode address in the chat that conspiring my man. Regardless if no violence happened at that address you’ve taken part in a discussion that has lead to someone ending up dead giving information to where they might be found. Any teenager could get caught out in that situation thinking its indirect but it’s conspiring as soon as a crime is committed. The uk justice system is still very prejudice towards black males giving longer sentences for the same crimes as other races. However I don’t think they got this one wrong unless we scrap the conspiracy to commit a crime out of the law book which will never happen. What this teen participated in was a conspiracy to murder.
But no one died
@Fahima Aktar I think you need to watch the video again.
@@hashbrown4me doesn't mean he shouldn't have been punished for what he did.
@@hashbrown4me If he decides to be an angry, violent negro upon release that's on him, not the Police.
I love how they briefly glossed over the postcodes. Yes, those postcodes were not linked to anyone being harmed but the sheer fact that you posted them in a group actively discussing murder as revenge can only mean one thing. Sometimes people really don't help themselves.
04:56 Do you hear yourself? "A non-violent chase at their college"! What were they chasing someone for? To return money they borrowed? To invite them to a party? To help them with their homework? If someone is chasing me that in itself is a violent act: they are trying to get near to me to assault me or to steal from me. There is no legitimate reason to chase someone. Chasing someone is a credible threat of violence and should be considered a crime. It's even worse this was at a school where ALL kids should be and feel safe.
Exactly what did she think was happening, they were chasing him to return the phone he dropped 😂😂😂😂
This is not black culture. This is gang culture. This is crime, full stop. They were going round committing crimes, just because they were 'friends from church' doesn't stop it being a gang or atleast violent and criminal. They're carrying knives and plotting to harm others. I was caught up in the same stuff when I was a young kid and luckily nothing like murder transpired but I could have very easily been sent down if it did and I'd only have myself to blame. I was mixing with the same kinds of kids (all different ethnicities), trying to be tough. Our communities need to take responsibility, parents need to take responsibility. Being from a poor area isn't an excuse. I've been chased like in that 'non-violent chase' by people with knives, it doesn't feel non-violent when you know if you stop you could be dead. How anyone can think the police haven't done the right thing here is beyond me. Lenient sentences will just encourage more crime. The Youth Worker is delusional too, for a start drill music isn't 'just' an art form when they're actively talking about who they're going to hurt, everything about it is about violence. Here's an idea, change the narrative, stop rapping about guns and hurting people. Stop rapping about the people from the other side you're going to kill. And one lapse in judgement isn't an excuse when someone's life it at risk. They need to start taking responsibility and stop blaming everyone else.
Gang culture is black culture. Lets be real. You man would rather be a broke g then a minted lame. And that's the real problem here. You man's concerned with how you look to the world. And you actually try and look like goons. But then your surprised when the general public look at you like goons.
Very well said, thank You!
I agree, however the documentary surrounds the trial of Ade, he wasn't involved in the drill music scene. Had a three of their songs on his phone and all he did was send a postcode (where no crimes happened) to the groupchat. I understand criminal convictions the others with greater involvement. But growing up in a rough area, you're in a class with these people, work assignments together etc. A great example is Stormy, he was gang affiliated and participated in anti-social behaviour in my neighbourhood growing, everyone still listens to his music...
@@DivinelyRootedPodcast Ade was complicit in two separate occasions where "a knife was used" on a person. He had no moral issues with being an accessory and witness to these crimes.
To then share the postcode shows that he had intent to do harm.
It's like me hiring a hitman who doesn't get around to committing the full crime.
@YmmaMariska who's stormy
I am sure that the last generation of lawyers and teachers did not jump about with balaclavas on.
Based on what evidence?
@@jujutrini8412 common sense? Past photos. You gonna say that it's part of black culture like the drill music? 🤦🤡🤣
@@jujutrini8412 how about you looking at any/all footage from the 60's 70's and if you can see one single example of that our lawyers/engineers of today jumping about with masks on, then you win!
@@tonyjones7372 Footage? You think students filmed themselves doing stupid 💩when they were that age in those days! Students get up to all sorts of a drunken weekend at university . You must not have spent much time with university students.
@@jujutrini8412 well, i have a BSc and a MSc, so I think I may just have spent a little bit of time with students, and can honestly say we never put on ski-masks and made silly 'gun-hands', and this is the 1980s, so yes, cameras were around then.
Funny how these people want to portray themselves as tough gangsters but when they caught out, they’re suddenly “good boys, aspiring footballers and would never harm anyone”
🤣
Exactly
That's probably what the jury thought too. Hence the conviction that had no weight on their true characters...look at people in UA-cam today who pretend to be tough but really they are not aka sneako
Funny how real criminals don’t get prosecuted and no one cares
Victimhood culture. Never their fault.
He really did shoot his 'good character' in the backside when sending that Snapchat message about killing someone for talking nonsense about him. Everyone's a 'good boy' when they get sent down. It's death by association, choose your friends wisely or this is the result. No one to blame but himself.
Amen
Fax, gotta take accountability
He dindu nuffin
This is abour race and stereotypes and against human rights the UN did a report on this and the UK is a racist hostile place for black people.
Not a better word typed, that's what the young folks don't realise till it's too late.... All big boy shoes untill they do big boy badness then it's oh that's not me..... Always innocent in the mind after the fact but can't see or won't see what THEY did....
Drill rappers speak about real life things and then say it’s not fair to use in court 😂
But the people who listen to it aren’t necessarily involved in criminal activity. You can’t use lyrics from a song to support an argument you wouldn’t win if it wasn’t there.
Plenty of artists sing/rap about real life events, but that doesn’t mean their fans have committed a crime.
They're all scum bags aren't they!?
Kenny Rogers was obviously a gambler
These fabricated and created situations by these goofs. Drill rap is trash.
@@jeffrejr1 🤣🤣🤣.
He was posting postcodes for the mandem to roll up on aswell as posting himself with grands . He was clearly moving weight and involved In crime why should I feel bad again?
Defo a fed
@@MA-sh6pi me? If only you knew how wrong you are. Why should I care about this lad he posted addresses of people so gang members can roll up. He's flashing drug money he clearly asking to be caught.He's also clearly involved in gang behaviour. Again why should I feel bad for this dopey idiot?
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A thinker and not a sheep
‘For the mandem to roll up on’ - next sentence - ‘why should I feel bad again?’ your police slang class is slacking
Roxie the youth worker saying “Non violent run..!” Meaning the person who was being chased got away. Trust, if I’m being chased by a person whom I believe has a knife/weapon. There’s nothing non violent about that.
Agreed
She ought to be ashamed herself for that .
She seems a bit wokie cokie
Yeah, they must everyone else is thick to believe the garbage they are talking. We all know what’s happened here, violent gangster bastards have been held to account, and because it’s the first time in their lives that it’s happened, they’re gobsmacked, can’t believe it, and think they’re hard done by. Enjoy jail.
Her whole part in this was to play down everything to paint a different story than reality. She is part of the problem! She thinks drill rappers and gang culture is black culture and then says the public sees all black men as gangsters 🤦🤡
"it's not a gang, it's a group of friends" stop watching Top Boy. Can't believe the youth worker. Dangerous to have people like that about
It sounds to me that Ade was conflicted between two worlds, the world where he wants to achieve and be successful, and the other trying to fit in with his group of friends who some may be up to no good. Bad company corrupts good character.
You can be wrong from an act or an omission (a failure to act). At the very least he was aware that revenge was on the table but he made a mistake as many young people do. 8 years is a disproportionate sentence imo.
Everyone is conflicted between two worlds. There is no good or evil people, they are just all on a spectrum between the two. Often times the most nice people have the darkest side like the serial killer next door type thing.
Even in cases like this. Look up the case of 'Dip Dat" he just finished his A levels and has set to go off to one of the most fancy universities in the country! Yet because he was involved in this gang and drill music scene and created a song or 'sent for' the wrong person who killed him two months before he left.
No it doesn’t, he made a point of living a good life, his friend was killed he said some words on a text to a friend when upset. He is was not in a gang.
@@siobhanair2659 he was in a gang though.
@@lindipearson9633 smh 🤦🏾♀️ you don’t know the difference between a gang & a group of friends? Everyone has stated he was not in a gang…he was upset his friend died said cross words to his friends!!! He has committed no crime
@@lindipearson9633 the police are the only ones that are claiming he is in a gang because they don’t know anything when it comes to these issues…they have lumped them all in the same category as they normally do.
A ‘non violent chase’, had ‘a knife used on them’ and was ‘hit by a car’ - you mean they stabbed someone and then mowed them down deliberately with 2 tonnes of steel? What a joker that youth worker is…
Jahahahahah ini I’m from the area these man beef I remember when they did this in that area I was acc on scene that day I ended up getting grabbed searched and arrested. He ran over a mate who wasn’t even involved he was just mates which is ironic and they had him in bad condition these man ain’t innocent I could tell you stories for days both sides ain’t innocent
The thing is. If someone you love is killed in a violent way, thoughts of revenge will go through your mind. What would be helpful is great mentoring that takes over when these instances take place. Mentoring & counselling offered to the friends & family that can help them to redirect their anger. Ade just needed to remember that with all the positive he was doing already, that could have been the best tribute to his friend. All he needed to do was continue. This is just a sad case & any teenager could have got caught up in it.
Or people could stop having the kids they don’t want to look after. Kids that don’t get love at home will go out and look for it in the wrong places. Mentoring is for when we have already failed.
@@fessali5726 no amount of love at home can replace the loss of another loved one
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In an ideal world where teenagers aren't hormonal idiots, yes paying tribute to his friend would be a healthier way of dealing with it... but for a lot of people the anger will come first, and it is sad that by a boy just claiming they want to kill someone their entire life is fucked up for it... not sure about you but 89% of the people i know would be in jail if this is the case
@@OnlyTheJugg but it will stop you from getting stupid ideas of turning into a vigilante and copying drill and gang culture. And will probably prevent the issue in the first place.
Everyone is gangster until they get caught, then it's "I was going to be the president of Mars", or "I was on the verge of finding a cure for AIDS" 😅
bout to get his life on track wuz a good boy the police is racis
Poor Ade, now some beast is using his sphincter to relieve their tension.
Group chat leads to 8 year sentence? Or gang culture leads to multiple deaths where families lost someone.
And he'll be out in 4.
The women that said non violent run needs a slap and needs to be in that situation where a group of people are chasing her let’s see if she tries to come up with some bogus excuses then. This gang culture is all bullshit
Precisely. ''Used knife on'' was another expression that aggravated me. They make a living from encouraging this nonsense from the Gov though so don't expect any changes.
Look at her completion. She can't be honest to save her life
@@user-uj8cx3dw3rthat's just as racist as her though... Wise up ye knacker
I'm not saying what the police did in this case was justified but teens should be shown this because it really highlights the impact hanging around with the wrong crowd can have on your life! Could be the nicest most polite kid in the world but if you socialise with people who carry knifes ...get involved with gang rivalries ..sell drugs it WILL ruin your life, even if you never personally do anything wrong ! You will end up dead or arrested, if you are with a group of friends who carry weapons and some randomer starts shit and your associates end up using a knife the police will come after you purely for being with the guilty and they will Perdue charges. If it's not police getting you involved through association it will be gang members maybe they will se you alone and remember you are friends with X and Y and pull a knife on you! It just never ends well real friends don't ruin each others lives 🤷♀️
Hanging around the wrong crowd could be living on the street your parents can afford and attending a school within the postcode.
Long sentences don’t deter crime.
People are much less likely to commit a given crime if they think it’s more likely that they get caught than their being a longer sentence.
People seem to forget about the 16 year old who died. His mum said she didn't know he was in a gang!! I think that's all the proof needed.
Meaning
@@moodymargaret2033 meaning the picture portrayed and the actual picture aren’t the same!!!
@@tobiadeyemo3992how
she probably did know, n-words aren't exactly known for their truthfulness.
I think this is a message to other gang members than this isolated case. Just stay away from gangs people, it won't help you!
Also his mum said, she had moved him back up to get him away from the gang influences in London. She said she regretted that decision, because she recognised that he had simply joined a gang there. The reason he was stabbed was because of an ongoing fund between the 2 groups, and he was identified as being part of 1 gang. White gangs have also been jailed for attacks, even if they didn't actually do anything. The fact that that ridiculous woman said "they chased him but it was non violent" it was only non violent because they didn't catch him!!
Those people will try to stick any illogical arguments just to make it sound like like he was a good boy. Worst thing is that many people are too stupid to realize that they're defending a criminal. The fact that 'drill' is popular proves how narrow minded they are and 'they' is you know who
Manchester is worse for guns and violence than London! More poverty in Manc too it’s grim af
@@Adrianexii This comment actually shows how narrow minded you trying to make a blanket statement on “They” as if everyone has the same music taste
Exactly. This is like saying a man with his d out running after a woman in an ally was non violent... Just because she got away. If she hadn't gotten away she'd absolutely have been sexually assaulted.
@@billmartins5545I’m black but the whole documentary is very bias ,and I hate when they were trying to portray drill music or this type behaviour as a black culture ,I don’t associate myself with gang members,anyone that don’t want trouble don’t want to associate themselves with gang members so why was he associating himself with gang members and then act like a victim when he got cough up in the mess , your friends speak a lot who you are as a person so make sure that your friends are people that behave and think like you .
Very well said!
You can literally feel the fabric of society coming apart at the seams. It's the devil's world now
Or a melting pot of multiculturalism that isn’t working
it’s very scary …
No 🧢
Bunch of rubbish word salad
@@theworkethic Do you live in the UK
He gave a postcode which could have led to a crime. That's conspiracy.
Parents watching this should take note that the old saying "Bad company corrupts good morals" and "Guilty by association" STILL STANDS. Beware of who your children are hanging with, and what media they consume and what language and slang they spew - They will be held accountable in the court (of earth and heaven), Emotions or ignorance are no defence.
The parents who most need to hear it are the least likely to listen
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it's the government you should be terrified of
Well done, whilst I think he has been wrongly sentenced, I believe other things which he shouldn’t have been doing has got him into trouble. In the UK, there isn’t a law that could justly imprison him- it seems to have been a miscarriage of justice.
However from what I could tell, I believe God would have a problem with a lot of the associations he had and the way he spoke and what he listened to. His laws reach deep and I think God may have used this to punish him. It’s just sad that all of the things that led him here were brushed over as if they are nothing.
I still hope he gets out as I don’t think the court system did what was right (humanly speaking).
@@kolaoj5174Yh that’s my first tho ,and I’m black btw but the reality is he shouldn’t have been associated with them in the first place if he didn’t want no trouble
You don’t really need evidence when you can play on the fears of the jury- great job
"You don’t really need evidence". What a sham.
If everything there wasn’t evidence I understand ur point u want kids to stab people up and not end up in jail
Non violent chase! She minimizes this terror.
This is the problem people have. If you were mildly popular in secondary school you wouldve definitely known people who were involved in gangs or were doing illegal activities. Theres no harm in being calm with them but why do you need to hang out or make friends with them? Especially if you have ambitions which involve living on the straight and narrow. The guy was going to be a lawyer yet he was mixing with criminals. Perfect recipe for disaster. You gotta be smart once you get into college. Choose your friends wisely and dont make dumb decisions.
A lawyer 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nah stop the cap
@@user-uj8cx3dw3rhe was due to persue a career in law.
Dont know what school you went to or how old you are but certainly wasnt the case at mine
@@LIJVHAZ 19 and i went to one of the worst schools in leicester at the time.
@@BILLZ32155 oh right im from hull and fiished school in 2011 and even though its a shithole it was never like that at the schools. I know things have gotten a lot worse since generally just by the things I see and hear but didnt realise it was getting that bad with people that young. Its a real shame
They conspired to commit murder. I would give them 20 years each. They are 100% guilty.
Also, a reporter using his position to garner support is what this looks like. Fire the reporter.
It shows that you have to be careful what chats you are involved in
Erm, like it's remotely normal that you are discussing murdering somebody on WhatsApp. Get real. Remember the poor victim.
Absolutely sickening these times many cases of people even stabbing their partner get suspended sentences corrupt systems are affecting so many lives
This whole video is a whole waste of time because if they were chatting about my little brother or son in that way in that chat I wouldnt care if they went jail or I would handle it myself 💯
When people keep saying it's a group of friends 🤦🏾 why do you have to have a name for group of friends bro own it with your chest gang is gang!
Yeah unless you and your friends are called the dead-hand gang - you're not a group of mutual masturbating lovers.
If police officers were in a group chat talking in the same way the public would want them convicted and imprisoned too.
Yeah? And they do, so what? So good you agree then😅
Yeh, sounds like a sensible comparison….. officers of the law and 16 year old kids. Genius that…
Please police have been found saying racist and homophic tweets and group chat even took pictures of victims and shared it on group chat what happened they got fired not a conspiracy charge
@@rudebwoy8 but he was sending someone's postcode knowing that his friends could go their and kill someone.
@@fozzt that has no relevance to the point that I made. A 16 yr old is still a child in the eyes of the law, a police officer is an adult who’s role is to ensure laws are upheld.
Don't associate with bad people. It's very simple.
You're Very right. Someone needs to choose his friends
How do you tell who is bad or good? All behaviour depends on context
@@danielhooper502 😂 don’t be silly
Generally if there wearing masks carrying knives and talking about killing people there not the best
@@samuelilori8161 very very sad, this boy will greet you, very polite and responsible. God help us. I watch him grow , makes me sad
"normal black youth culture"? what does that even mean ?
That phonecall at the end broke my heart, can’t believe they overlooked all of his achievements over a few texts in the heat of the moment as an adolescent. Find it ridiculous how they said the picture of him and the money showed that he was in a gang when if the same pic was taken by a white teenager they would say he was “posturing” and it would be thrown out. The whole system is rigged and if this was a just society that young boy would not be sat in a cold prison cell right now.
Are you for real??? They're plotting to kill people! And innocent members of the public as we always are like a lot of innocent little babies being killed recently! Wake blooody up! Just because you're young doesn't mean you can do whatever including violence and taking lives etc! Go speak to ya parents for god's sake! Ridiculous, tell them what nonsense you're thinking and let's see the disappointment on their faces good grief
@@youtubebram4393 I’m specifically talking about Ade here, sounds like you didn’t finish the show
I think the issue is he inadvertently committed conspiracy to murder. He said stuff that other people have said over text in a non serious manor however the issue is the people he said it too have been proven to b3 violent. As the youth worker said boy 1 and 3 have been caught in knife crime and made music talking about murder. That’s the issue, however he should never have gotten 8 years. Anything longer then a year is frankly over kill due to his skin colour in my opinion as it’s just overly punitive
It’s called joint enterprise mate if he was there he was part of it weather he said or did anything he was apart of it you don’t get a get out of jail free card because you might prosper in the world?
@@bethhague8470 I don’t think any of the boys deserve them sentences even those who committed harm since no one was killed, this just shows how racist the system is, these boys have been failed in so many ways because of their skin colour, 21 and 8 years is too much
Thank you to the prosecutors for preventing future crimes.
Funny how the polices’ hands are tied when someone’s being stalked by an ex or has restraining orders against them
When you know better do better, period. We overlook red flags until it’s too late. Watch your circle, before they hurt you. Separate friends from associates, never confuse the two.Behave like a grown adult, stay accountable and I promise you’ll never lose your freedom. 👊🏾👍🏾
When you're young. You are not fully aware of the actions you take that could result in risk. You learn as you grow through different experiences. To imply that kids should know better is a bit mad. The parents, the schools, and the community are trying to re-educate them before it is too late ...but kids nowadays have too many rights and they often choose not to listen until it's too late.
Drill artist raps about shootings, stabbings and ‘opps’.
Friend gets killed so sends messages about a revenge attack.
Playing on the narrative that he’s a young black man facing a miscarriage of justice.
Yeah alright mate, play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
I pray that God protects my children from this bad groups
We shouldn’t participate in such conversations that include harming other people. Should have left the group/ chat… this is called consequences
Say it louder please sister. Why would someone stay in a group chat where people are plotting murders and not leave or at least not say anything.
They weren't plotting murder though, there's absolutely no evidence of that. They were 17 year-olds who were grieving the loss of their friend and venting amongst friends. 8 years for someone who did NOTHING to actually harm anyone or break the law is 'consequences' in your eyes for these grieving 17 year-olds... rather hefty, don't you think?
Hate to say this, as a now older black man who grew up in inner city black London culture, but this show, for the most part, seems to be aiming to excuse and deflect from the reality that our young black boys in the inner cities lack guidance, direction and hope and the culture glorifies violence. It just does. Let’s not sugar coat it. Until we accept there is a real problem we ain’t ever going to fix it. For me, I chose to move to Africa and work on building in the motherland for others there will be other ways to find purpose. Making excuses and playing down crazy acts of brutal violence isn’t the way.
They tried to euphemise this but ask yourself, what if these youths were after one of yours? Would you feel the same
He deserves the jail time. If you planned to kill someone and even shared their postcode in the group than you are capable killing. He may not have killed but definitely he would have done it anyway.
If you don’t wanna go to jail just don’t join a gang group and better yourself.
Okay Mo. I hear you, I know this boy from when he was a baby, pleasant,well behaved,will say hello aunty whenever he sees me, will offer to collect siblings from school,headboy of his school? What else can I say, dresses responsibly? Started doing charity when young, wrote a book and donated all the money to charity. What more do we want from our children?God help us
@@bestinterests6929 people who are wonderful people can make mistakes and do horrible things too....
@@bestinterests6929 what a bullshit thing to say 'he said hello to me so he must be nice' serial killers are known to be nice and polite to others, doesn't mean ah well you said hello to me and was polite so go on killing lad. the people that making excuses for them are the same reason gangs are getting away with it.
@@bestinterests6929 to not threaten to kill people?
@@bestinterests6929 What more do we want from our children? Maybe not involving themselves in murder, that’s for sure.
It doesn't take strength to hate someone and seek revenge, it takes strength and courage to forgive them! Impact of finding those people and tell them oepnly that you forgive them would have much greater impact on everyones lives than just passing on the hate....
I disagree. Both acts take strength. Acting with malice towards someone drains tremendous amounts of energy from you. Where the two acts differ is in polarity. One is positive and one is negative, but both take a lot of strength to carry out.
Basically nothing will be learned from Ade's story.
You won't solve problems by rountinely mis-identifying the causes.
The guys a fool and he " lent himself to a conspiracy". This heavy sentence and convictions are preventative and due to something that was obviously escalating and while this lad may have had a promising career he obviously was provoking and instigating stoking a situation that other's who may have had less ambitions may have been easily influenced by someone like him that wished to sit on the periphery... There's too much knife etc violence led by this behaviour and music that also fuels and stokes situation with negative lyrics. The people have no one but themselves to blame.. Many lives may have been saved and victims prevented by these convictions and this is nothing to do with innocence and "black culture" it's to do with copycat crime. This promising athlete yes was young and stupid but he can't have street cred based upon gangster talk And be a professional without it's costs...
This is all so hard to swallow. It’s frightening and some lines have been crossed on all sides in all involved.
Classic case of "It takes years to build a good reputation and five minutes to ruin it". May God have mercy and grant them freedom in accordance to His will and plans for their lives. Be careful young people!
I personally feel safer that people running round with knives, Machettes and swords are off the streets.
Yeah everyone wants that but sending innocent boys to prison is wrong.
@@siobhanair2659 agreed but these kids today have no fear of the consequences of their actions. Its worrying and sad at the same time.
@@grwuk well not Ade he worked extremely hard to never be seen in that light. Just because some kids are like that doesn’t mean all kids are the same in fact most young people are amazing.
You think they are the only ones running around with 🔪 in Manchester plenty of idiots gang members running around unfortunately.
@@siobhanair2659 most young people are not amazing in this day and age. It's a lost generation
Drill music = issuing threats to kill
So if I'm in a group chat with 10 friends and we all talk about robbing your house and we all give info on the house but I let 2 friends in the chat actually go and rob your house. Are you trying to say we're all not complicate?
Also if your no a roadman then why go about acting like 1 like someone with split personality disorder. 8 years inside might teach him who he really is.
Unjustified conspiracy charges from association of friends and family is tragic! As these laws should be applied to politicians that help themselves, and royal members that hide behind money.....
They shouldn’t talk like there gangsters then
@@noncekilla8848 your name is ironic considering your ignoring the part about politicians and royals, they the real nonces
The English don't mind as long as they are white.
He gave an address of someone to be targeted. It was a conspiracy and he participated fully.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 exactly he deserves life
Simple fact is, don’t say you’re going to kill someone. And don’t be in a gang. Simple. Do your time and shutup. Deserved
That youth worker is absolutely delusional. Don’t cry if you get burnt playing with fire. What reason do you have to give out someone’s postcode
If you don't want to be accused of being in a GANG....
maybe don't walk in a GANG ... ?
Great work by the police and courts... this is what we need tougher sentencing as a deterrent against these heinous crimes.
I have ro agree but Ade has sent text messages just showing of thats what he was doing let's be HONEST.
@@scottandrewhorne4655He was black so it doesn't matter, Most Asian people don't see black people as human so they couldn't care less whether he was innocent.
@@Lioness-Ma dont talk and or post stupid messages please
@@scottandrewhorne4655 I'll post what I like you can't tell me what to do and not do and you definitely can't tell me about the conscious black experience. I've lived here all of my life and it's well known in both communities. Asian people don't hide their distain for us. It's not a secret. Infact, it's more overt than European racism a lot of the time. Although, I have started to see a slow change very recently, nothing happens overnight and quite frankly I don't care who dislikes us or not but what I do care about is how we are and have been treated because of others prejudices.
@@Lioness-Ma your talking rubbish OK. I HAVE BLACK AND ASIAN FRIENDS WHO GET ON BRILLIANTLY. Any one not treating you NOT CORRECTLY THEN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SKIN COLOUR OK. But IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH WHERE THEIR SOUL STANDS. If you have been treated in this disfraceful way then I offer my sincere apologies that this is still happening
it was pretty obvious he was in a gang, they always say they are innocent later once caught. He threatened to kill someone over words.. what a nice young man!
“One little slip up” is all it takes unfortunately… I empathize with the young man as I grew up in a similar environment, and understand the conflict of being a high achiever yet on the fringes of gang activity because you’re hanging out with your childhood friends. However, my sympathy is unfortunately capped. Everybody wants to appear tough until they catch that case, then they become a “victim” of the system. Ade clearly wasn’t like that, but there’s enough evidence here for a jury to conclude that he had intent. He was not the aggressor of any violence, but there’s clear evidence of him threatening and inciting violence and that’s enough. Reasonable conviction here based on the info, I’m surprised this is even up for debate. Everybody involved sounds delusional. Especially the youth worker. It’s about time our community stopped identifying as victims started taking accountability for our actions and the public image WE continue to portray. The system will only oppress you if you allow it. Let’s rise up and strive for better. Staying true to yourself and going against the grain is cool. Let’s change the narrative. Good luck to all, let’s do better.
One slip up? Seriously you make it sound like the taking of life is a minor thing. One slip up? Let's hope that next slip up happens around you and your loved one. Then you welcome to call it a slip up
I couldn’t agree more with Tee. It was a saying’’ tell me who you’re friends with and I tell you who you are’’ is unfortunate but true.
@@pacman7959 you obviously didn’t watch the entire video or comprehend what I’m saying here. It’s in quotation marks for a reason.. try to digest information properly before wishing bad on strangers online in future.
@@pacman7959 mate, he’s quoting the documentary in an ironic way. Read his whole message.
Did you even watch the documentary?! Nobody murdered anyone. It’s not a little slip up, hence he put it in speech marks, because he doesn’t agree that’s it’s a small slip up.
You’re currently wishing ill upon someone without even reading the whole comment. What an idiot you are.
@Tee "...about time our community stopped identifying as victims started taking accountability for our actions and the public image WE continue to portray. The system will only oppress you if you allow it"
It's your kind of stupidity which put Africans on the back foot in the first place. Granted there are issue within the community and but this compounds the racism, it doesn't cause it. Other races do plenty of wrong, so why is there no issues with "public image".
13:16 this is the problem with youth workers defending people till there blue in the face - that music video is insight into violence they are talking about wetting and killing. I can’t imagine her ever saying YOUR WRONG that’s why I am going into youth work myself and I will be true and real.
Excellent work gmp 👍
If being part of a group chat with violent murderers is just part of your culture I think there might be a bit of a problem...
Timestamp of when that was said?
That youth worker is a complete muppet.
I've been stabbed in my lung twice. In my kidney, hit in the head with an axe. Sliced down my back with Stanley blades. I'm scared from head to toe. I know exactly what it's like to be entrapped in that life and way of thinking. Your mind is some where else. All you care about is music, lyrics ya gang, how other people view when they see you. You live for street cred.
There's obviously a lot of social factors that are way too many to go through and explain how they impact the mind of a child. Poverty, house with no father, education, etc.
But my gripe is music. Drill and trap music that glorifies that way of life. The BBC will show crying mothers and a picture of the dead child and flowers where he died. Condemn the perpetrators, and then on BBC 1 extra you can hear the music that's brainwashing these kids to do the shit they are doing.
Any way....lucky enough. But a sad set of circumstances. I found my self in jail again with my daughter's mother pregnant and my son out side with out me. I couldn't look him in the eyes on my prison wall pictures. I refused to let him come to the jail. And the same jail that I used to visit my dad in and in the same visiting room.
I've been out of trouble for 5 years now. I know it's not a long long time. But I'm finally away from all this madness and loop that predominately black youth young adults find themselves in.
It's only an issue now. Because it's affecting white Youth. They was ok when we was killing each other. But either way. Let's do something to stop this madness.
That is absolutely great brother. I'm sure that if you stay on this path, you can be a great role model to your 2 children.
Brother. I was thinking this years ago, bbc1extra and capitalextra.
How the hell are these stations allowed. Especially bbc1extra funded by tax payer money wtf.
Music is mind programming whether we like it or not.
It's beyond belief.
good luck Spencer
You NEED to stay on the right track no excuses! Pls break that generational circle.
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This is ridiculous trying to suggest there is injustice here. Embarrassing for everyone involved in this doc. This is why a lot of crime goes on because perpetrators are painted as victims.
"Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are."
Seeing these kinda vids just makes you wanna work that much harder in life to be able to move to the Mayfair/Belgravia area where these you’ll be as far away as possible from these kinda people
md was a gang member he was a drill rapper he had it coming to him i hate when ppl try act like hes some innocent kid
I’m honestly tired of this race angle. Majority of young black boys in the UK do not have associations with gangs - this isn’t a hard luck story. If you hang out with people who are in gangs, very little good will come from it.
This is a cautionary tale. Stay away, or pay a significant price.
Black people have more gang members per population percentage than any other group. Dont try and do that sly twisting of facts to hide the issue bruv, youre dealing with white Brits here, we're pretty smart in case you havent realised, cant pull the wool over our eyes. We dont have white guilt like those white americans. Wont work.
If it was you or someone you knew, everyone in the group chat would be responsible 🤨
He had a choice to follow a good path. 0 sympathy.
Did that mixed woman at the beginning really say that the conversation these guys had was just normal black youth culture 🤯🤦🏾♀️.
Always somebody else’s fault innit.
HE DINDU NUFFIN
I don’t think ppl understand the word conspiracy. Ade’s intention was for someone to get hurt by posting a postcode. Fools.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but here it is: if you are claiming you are not a member of a gang, wearing a balaclava probably doesn’t help. Wearing a balaclava is almost always used with the purpose of concealing one’s identity, black or white. The purpose of anonymity is often crime. In conclusion, black or white, it’s hard to claim that you aren’t in a gang if you are wearing a balaclava.
so what do you feel was a appropriate sentence ?...... because he was guilty of incitement to violence
The chats amount to conspiracy, plain and simple.
the point is not whether it legally constitutes conspiracy, but whether Ademola, a boy i went to high school with, deserves to go to prison. It is inmoral and helps noone
@@pablor.6857 The law on conspiracy doesn't change on whether you went to school with the person or not.
@@pablor.6857 ROFL no one cares you went to school with him. Funny how you went school with him but dont defend his actions. You know what he did.
@@pablor.6857 Conspiracy to commit murder helps nobody??? There friend who got stabbed, if the police had received messages in a group chat of his murderers talking about going to kill him before they did, would you want the police to say "Na, it's only music and talk" or would you like them to go save that kids life before he is killed??
The funny or rather annoying thing about this is if that happened, black people would be screaming the police are racist and did nothing to prevent his death when they knew it would happen!!
He was in a group chat talking of murder and revenge with with members of a drill group who rapped about drugs, gangs and violence, two of the boys went out chased one guy down trying to attack him and most likely stab him then stabbed another guy. This isn't a case of broken hearts having wishful thinking of revenge. These were violent gang members who lived a violent life being given addresses and encouragement to commit murder and violence!
I don't want to walk down the same street or live in the same neighborhood as people like that! No matter there race!
Shallap... talking like you were part of the jury
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Hearing him speak on the phone was so sad 😩
Stay out the streets 🤦
No sympathy at all, man was giving the drop and threatening to k people
This is a great example of victim mentality
Just makes me wish more black youth stopped listening to Digga D and started reading Thomas Sowell.
The problem _is_ the culture. These black kids view their lives as expendable because they’re being told either by their parents or the establishment that they’re starting off on the back foot (despite the fact that for the last few years the lowest performing group has been white male boys), so where are their aspirations coming from? Their environment. Cliques have existed for generations, as a kid I was part of several friendship groups and gangs, but we never had drill music telling us it’s cool to have “opps”. We never had Snapchat, so we never felt the rush of creating a buzz over some online beef that then turns into real life violence. These kids need education, but race has nothing to do with it, poor kids come in all shades and religions - if you don’t know that then you’re not from there and you definitely don’t visit.
You have to give them something to relate too ,Tomas Sewell is not a rapper/musician to my knowledge so why would they listen to him? Akala would be more appropriate!
You were on the right tracks before you offered up excuses for the scum bags blaming parents or the establishment.
They think they're all bad men and thats nothing to do with parents or the establishment. Yes most the parents are probably crap but "the community" and their "culture" is to blame.
The problem also is the government nd the industry allowing it to run. This is what they really want. To ruin the culture us black ppl always fall for the trap
You've just said it all. I'm black and I enjoy hip hop but Digga D is an awful influence to these youngsters
well said.
there is something wrong when church going teens are worshipping God then on the streets and in chats discussing revenge attacks on rival criminal gangs/organisations
So they pretty much used a RICO n they took down the whole group n Ade was involved. I guess whoever you surround yourself with could end up biting you back
“A talented drill artist” lol