@@hawaiirealmedia5610 a lot will disagree to the truth you just spoke /wrote So sad that i have to accept your written truth i just don't wan't a phone that smart that can best my cinema camera But we have to submit
needless to wait so long it wont be out of order for long time; _k will be the standard in 2030 but shooting in 6K and 8K wont make any difference in the final results except for marketing as usual.. but this PANASONIC S1H i got now is very amazing at all levels in pictures and videos really.. the best for now !!!
@@SwapnilBhartiya A comparison between an iPhone 11 and a last generation camera is not the same as iPhone 38 compared to a camera that will most likely be 10-20 generations old then. So your point is not relevant to the above statement. Thanks.
UPDATE: Shortly after the announcing the full spec of the S1H, Atomos confirmed that the S1H will be able to record ProRes RAW over HDMI using the Ninja V.
Vilkan Visions when will that be? 2022? I dont believe ANY of this until atomos finally delivers... looking at you nikon...selling a camera with promises that never come true is not okay
The most obvious difference will be the ability to shoot full frame. Being able to shoot 6k, 5.9k 16:9, proper Varicam level v-log, all of this will count for more intensive productions.
I disagree while agreeing at the same time. Panasonics will all share similar look characteristics. However, to my overly-analytical eye, I can quickly tell that this one has been tuned to be as similar to the Varicam as possible. If you haven't seen a lot of Varicam footage, it may be hard to tell, and a lot of it has to do with the way it processes DR and highlight roll-off, V-Log, and more importantly, V-Gamut.
Right now the S1H is running on firmware 0.4B, so it still has a ways to go before the firmware is finished. No point in testing the S1H until the firmware is ready to ship.
codec and bitrate is much more important than sensor size - cant you already guess the result between h265 10 bit 4:2:0 200mbit/s and BRAW Q0 12 bit - 1552-3864mbit/s ?
They should probably wait until the S1H firmware is finished. Apparently the current S1H firmware is 0.4B according to the video Lok Cheung posted today.
@@durrsky1515 Yes, of course. My GH5 cameras are currently running on firmware 2.5. I remember when the GH5 was tested in December 2016 and January 2017 while running on unfinished beta firmware, and only about half the camera functions were working properly. In March 2017 the GH5 started to ship and it was running on firmware 1.0. Both Lok Cheung and Jordan Drake from DpReview have both confirmed that the S1H cameras they tested were running on the unfinished beta firmware 0.4. Likely Panasonic will finish the S1H non-beta firmware version 1.0 in time to ship the S1H by the end of September. Tests made on unfinished beta firmware do not represent the performance of the finished camera running firmware 1.0. So you need to wait until the firmware is finished before trying to compare the camera to anything because you are testing with an unfinished camera.
I don't know why someone hasn't done this. Heck I don't care if its someone like Metabones does it. It makes perfect sense if you're going to be in the adapter business to get inspiration from Canon and produce it.
I think the image on the pocket 6k is probably better. But overall I prefer the S1H. But it’s so early I haven’t used either enough to know for sure yet Carl
I think this is it. I'm ditching sony. a7s3 will never come and if it does, likely wont do 10bit, let alone 4:2:2 or 6k , or 4k60p. Not even their fx9 does 4k60 out of the box...
Meanwhile the Blackmagic Pocket 6k for $2495 6k 50fps 12-Bit BRAW for $2495 with EF mount. You could get a pocket 6k and pocket 4k for less money than the S1H.
And you still don't get the flip screen, IBIS, ergonomics, battery life. P6K and S1H are diff cam for diff purposes. P6K, as its name suggests, is designed more for cinema than everyday shooting run and gun style. Although more exp, I think S1H is a more well rounded cam.
@@shem44 You could buy a Blackmagic pocket 6k and another photography focused camera for the same price you pay to own the single S1H. The price is just too expensive.
@@shem44 Flip Screen and battery life? Atomos Monitor and V Mount batteries solves this. If you care such small things like a flip screen you should be filming kids Birthday Parties.
Thanks for watching! The flip screen here does seem like the best of both worlds. For up to date pricing information, check out our website: www.proav.co.uk/panasonic-lumix-s-pro-24-70mm-f2-8-lens Dan
What an incredible camera!! Panasonic has delivered for filmmakers!! The S1 got me worrying, but the S1H has taken away all my concerns of Panasonic's dedication to the filmmaking community. All I can say is WOW! The S1HI believe from watching the review, would be perfect as a B cam for the EVA1, or you could buy 2 S1H's for roughly the price of one EVA1
Honestly speaking, a little underwhelmed by the specs since there's already the BMPCC 6K in the market. I wanted better high speed capability but it seems basically the same as the GH5/
especially when Blackmagic have BRAW and 12-bit for only $2495. You could a Blackmagic Pocket 6k + Blackmagic Pocket 4k + battery grip for the same price you pay for a S1H.
They won't personally make an ND adapter because they want to sell lenses. I think they should've got rid of the mechanical shutter to fit it internally. Hopefully a good third party ND to EF adapter for L-mount will come out soon.
A little disappointed. I think Panasonic should have went with double SD cards on the S1 and double XQD cards on the S1H so it would record 4:2:2 10bit at every resolution. I think that’s asking too much from SD cards, even V90’s. Shooting in 6k really needs Raw. Also at that price point, you can get a ZCam F6 (6k, full-frame), that records in Raw or h.265 at a higher bit rate, all with a great dynamic range. If the S1H had a lower price, it would compete better with current video camera models. Let’s see what the Sony a7siii will have & it’s price point. They are saving the ND filters for the EVA2. Also, the EVA2 will unlock the full features of the S1H, in a larger body.
Dam near perfect!.......shitty AF means I won't stretch up to the 4 grand price! Playing that deliberate feature trade game will be laid to rest once the A7s III then, the will be discounted to 2500!
It's a £3000 video camera with shite AF. Panasonic seem to be digging their heels in over the contrast based autofocus. Why don't they just give up the ghost on this one and sort the auto focus out and we can all move on. We all know contrast based autofocus is crap and is NEVER going to cut the mustard no matter what they do. PLEASE Panasonic get the message and sort it out!!!! For fuck sake.
Can someone tell me why 4K 60 or 4K 120 is not possible at full frame... Is there a work around? or are they just assuming that we will do it at 1080P?
Maybe on THAT specific adapter with their specific measurements, but patents like those are quite simple to overcome. Just design something slightly better.
Panasonic better lower the price with this corona stuff it’s not like anyone can use these anyway and the economy has collapsed they need to drop this to 1k from the 3.5k
@@chcomes no. Couldn't be more serious. Colour and bit depth trumps resolution every time. Anyone who thinks otherwise might as well buy a smartphone and shoot 8k with it
I fully agree and fully disagree with you. Colout trumps resolution. That is why the key is 10 bit. However 422 or 444 is resolution so I think 444 is never needed at these resolution levels anyway. Peace.
Trolling? Sad... Last try... 12 bit video does not exist today. 422, 420, 444 is the resolution of the colours. Therefore, 420 or 422 10 bit has a bit depth that brings flexibility compared to 420 or 422 8bit. The latter will break down easily. 10bit also breaks down if the dynamic range is low, but here we talk over 13 stops.
The S1H is a definitely a game changer for professional video production. The camera is really a full-blown 6K cinema camera in a mirrorless body that exceeds the capabilities of anything else in it’s class. For video, television, and film production I can confidently say it offers more bang for the buck of any video camera ever made. Here’s a link to my review of the camera and a trailer for a the 4-hour S1H master class I have produced that can help new owners get the best results with their camera. ua-cam.com/video/GhZP14WVCn0/v-deo.html
1000% depends on WHAT you shoot most often. They are completely different form-factors so technically one can't win over the other. FS5 is a VIDEO camera - audio inputs/mixing, button layout, Raw output. The S1 is a HYBRID camera in a stills camera form-factor. It's mainly all about the form factor, and how quickly and easily you can set it up and use it for what you need to do.
1000% depends on WHAT you shoot and how quickly and easily you can set up each camera for what specifically you intend to shoot. They are such different form-factors that a comparison between the too will unfortunately never be able to answer the question for each individual filmmaker and their needs, they are just too different worlds with similar end-results (aside from raw video output from the FS5, of course).
This has lots of advantages over the Pocket 6K that are worth the extra money. The improved ergonomics, the EVF, the Stabilised sensor, the more flexible mount, and lots more. Pocket 6K is a great camera, but they are very different Carl
Hi ! Thank you for this review , I would love a complete review like the one for the bmpcc 4k. To get an answer on everything in the camera side of it. Dynamic range, breaking the footage for color science and lut, can afc in video mode can keep a face or is there a too huge lack, is the camera can take high temperature in bright sun (my a7ii stop really quick when in bright sun) etc Thanks again and a pleasure to see your vidz as always, from French side of your followers !
looks like a great camera for people doing weddings, tilt screen is great for people using gimbals as well. Hopefully I can afford the upgrade at some point
Should we wait for Sony A7S3?? Thats the question. This camera looks impressive except for the Autofocus. I love shooting manual and if I buy this camera I would wrap around my head that I will be shooting with manual focus. That price though is the one that got me thinking. We are talking about 6000 $ to get this camera with the new 24 70 F2.8 as your only lens!!!! Ouch!!
Picture quality seems very good, not mind-blowing though. The lack of proper AF is a disappointment. I can't really see the market for these type of cameras. They have really advanced video capabilities in a photographic-oriented body, which is not really prepared to video work. That means that you have to put a lot of accessories (xlr adapter, ND's, battery grip...). If you are serious about video and willing to pay a hefty price tag, why would you pick one of these instead of, say, canon c200 or sony FS5?
It seems like an odd beast to me as well, I'm not sure who will buy into this system. I can't imagine anyone buying this to shoot photos so I too don't get the photographic body style they've went with. If Sony ups their bitrates and offers 10 bit I think those cameras will make better all-rounders for hybrid shooters. Interesting though to see what it will push other makers to produce now.
Why? IBIS in a relatively small body compared to an FS5 or C200. Adapt PL, EF, Nikon and all kinds of other lenses, while still using IBIS. Still fits on a Ronin-s. Full Frame.
Wow, Panasonic really have pulled out all the stops for this one!!! Now its on to Sony and Canon to see what they put on the market over the next few months. What I will say is that the race to the higher 'K' output isn't what people should be looking for. A nice LOG curve in HD 10bit is as good as anything you'll need for the next 12 months!!
Highlight rendering looks definitely better than Sony A7 series cameras on video. This S1H is so good for video major/still minor usage, but the biggest letdown is AF! Damn! Can't just give us a perfect camera in today's available technology? Why?! (Blackmagic has the best IQ, especially color and DR rendering. Sony has the best AF. Panasonic has almost everything....but AF has not met the average standard, ie. A7iii/A7Riii standard). And Sony never improve highlight rendering on videos in their A7 series cameras, i wonder if it's because none of the reviewers gave Sony this feedback? I am shocked! No reviewer sees this as an IQ issue? If Sony can make the A7Siii highlight rendering as good as this S1H with the latest AF capability, i'd say it's a buy for me.
I am exited about this camera, it looks like an excellent B camera for documentary filmmakers like myself. A few questions do come to mind: Are there L mount speedboosters available yet? Wide angle when shooting in 4K 4.2.2. is a concern... Also, how is the I.S. with non Panasonic glass? I.S. with cine glass sounds amazing... This does look interesting, I like the viewfinder too, it’s actually useable, which makes for a nice change...
The auto focus is the biggest let down I have heard about this which is a really big shame for the S1H. No doubt though the bmpcc6k and S1H is gonna make other cameras improve..
What should happen for variable ND is a Fotodiox throttle ND that fits third party lenses to the Panasonic L mount. I used one for the Nikon Z mount with Rokinon EF mount lenses and another with FD lenses to Z mount and both worked great. But to date Fotodiox has not produced their throttle ND for the L mount.
Hi can you help - someone is saying that they are selling a Panasonic S1 - NTSC version - do you know what that means... I thought they both shoot NTSC and PAL or do I need to somehow convert it?
I think there is a lot of OEM parts in there from Sony and Atamos .(sensor is Sony for sure)Price is way too high.Black Magic is over 1K cheaper.The 4 K 1295,- (so I can do a three camera shoot in 4K)Just saying.Has Some Nice features nevertheless.
Can that autofocus be fixed in a future software update or is it a hardware issue? I love this camera and want it so bad, but autofocus is an important factor in the work that I do. If I thought that Panasonic was going to invest in making that feature at least comparable to Sony and Canon than I'd probably pull the trigger. If it is a lost cause and a hardware issue, then I'll probably have to pass... unfortunately.
Thanks! I'm assuming you mean the S1H footage? For grading, most of the legwork was done with the Panasonic L-Log LUT (technical, not a creative LUT) that's built into FCPX, which gave quite a good result for most shots straight away. From there I adjusted the shadows and highlights slightly along with a touch of saturation to match each shot to the sequences. Dan
one big Problem with the GH5: you cant use HDMI out and camera controll over usb for a gimbal to controll f/iso/wb at the same time. Is this fixed now?
How is it as a photo stills camera. I know you discussed it quickly and I know it's more a video camera first but in DP reviews all theybsaid was it suffersbas avphoto camera and that's it.
I’ll wait till 2030, when I can pick this camera for $500.
By 2030 the iPhone 38 will kick the S1H's arse.
@@hawaiirealmedia5610 a lot will disagree to the truth you just spoke /wrote
So sad that i have to accept your written truth
i just don't wan't a phone that smart that can best my cinema camera
But we have to submit
needless to wait so long it wont be out of order for long time; _k will be the standard in 2030 but shooting in 6K and 8K wont make any difference in the final results except for marketing as usual.. but this PANASONIC S1H i got now is very amazing at all levels in pictures and videos really.. the best for now !!!
@@hawaiirealmedia5610 iPhone 11 can't kick Gh4 ass.
@@SwapnilBhartiya A comparison between an iPhone 11 and a last generation camera is not the same as iPhone 38 compared to a camera that will most likely be 10-20 generations old then. So your point is not relevant to the above statement. Thanks.
UPDATE: Shortly after the announcing the full spec of the S1H, Atomos confirmed that the S1H will be able to record ProRes RAW over HDMI using the Ninja V.
When prores raw update releases do a comparison between nikon z6 and s1h .
That's awesome :) Now Panasonic give as better af and nd filter and we got perfect camera for indie filmmakers :D
Vilkan Visions when will that be? 2022? I dont believe ANY of this until atomos finally delivers... looking at you nikon...selling a camera with promises that never come true is not okay
yes
wow. this makes it a game changer lol
Idk man.. all of these cameras are beginning to look exactly the same. This could've been GH5 or GH5S footage. All of which are fantastic options.
The most obvious difference will be the ability to shoot full frame. Being able to shoot 6k, 5.9k 16:9, proper Varicam level v-log, all of this will count for more intensive productions.
All Panasonic cameras look the same
I disagree while agreeing at the same time. Panasonics will all share similar look characteristics. However, to my overly-analytical eye, I can quickly tell that this one has been tuned to be as similar to the Varicam as possible. If you haven't seen a lot of Varicam footage, it may be hard to tell, and a lot of it has to do with the way it processes DR and highlight roll-off, V-Log, and more importantly, V-Gamut.
@@goclick Voigtlander makes some f0.95 prime lenses for MFT. That's still really wide even when you multiply it by the crop factor.
and that’s a bad thing? good for us, as prices go down
How about a BMPCC 6k vs S1H shoot out?
You should rent them both and beat him to it!😎
Right now the S1H is running on firmware 0.4B, so it still has a ways to go before the firmware is finished. No point in testing the S1H until the firmware is ready to ship.
codec and bitrate is much more important than sensor size - cant you already guess the result between h265 10 bit 4:2:0 200mbit/s and BRAW Q0 12 bit - 1552-3864mbit/s ?
I choose S1H，HAHA
@@刘鹏飞-c6u The framerates are behind and its $1500 more.
when you're watching this on safari so everything is 1080p anyways 🙃
wow. The imagery is surprisingly good! The added dynamic range seems quite apparent. Awesome and thorough review, much appreciated = )
I much prefer the image from this than from the GH5
Carl
@@ProAVTV You prefer the image from the GH5 over this? I assume you mean the value? Otherwise I must have missed something in the review.
I prefer the image from the Blackmagic pocket 6k
Whoops! Wrote that too quickly, I meant I prefer the S1H to the GH5. Corrected now.
Carl
ISO shootout! S1H vs GH5S vs BMPCC6K vs A7III
They should probably wait until the S1H firmware is finished. Apparently the current S1H firmware is 0.4B according to the video Lok Cheung posted today.
@@SewTubular We should wait for Blackmagics firmware is finished too they love doing updates as well.
@@durrsky1515 So they are shipping cameras with unfinished firmware? ...I would have thought they were at firmware 1.0 before selling the cameras.
@@SewTubular Companies do firmware updates months after cameras are released.
@@durrsky1515 Yes, of course. My GH5 cameras are currently running on firmware 2.5. I remember when the GH5 was tested in December 2016 and January 2017 while running on unfinished beta firmware, and only about half the camera functions were working properly. In March 2017 the GH5 started to ship and it was running on firmware 1.0.
Both Lok Cheung and Jordan Drake from DpReview have both confirmed that the S1H cameras they tested were running on the unfinished beta firmware 0.4. Likely Panasonic will finish the S1H non-beta firmware version 1.0 in time to ship the S1H by the end of September. Tests made on unfinished beta firmware do not represent the performance of the finished camera running firmware 1.0. So you need to wait until the firmware is finished before trying to compare the camera to anything because you are testing with an unfinished camera.
So basically a mc-21 with drop in nd filter is needed. Siiiiiigma, helloooooooo!!
I don't know why someone hasn't done this. Heck I don't care if its someone like Metabones does it. It makes perfect sense if you're going to be in the adapter business to get inspiration from Canon and produce it.
I get all the quality I need from my g9 for video. NO plans to upgrade anytime soon
Great overview, Carl! Interested to hear your thoughts on this vs the new BMPCC6K :) I could see them complimenting them very well in a kit.
I think the image on the pocket 6k is probably better. But overall I prefer the S1H. But it’s so early I haven’t used either enough to know for sure yet
Carl
I think this is it. I'm ditching sony. a7s3 will never come and if it does, likely wont do 10bit, let alone 4:2:2 or 6k , or 4k60p. Not even their fx9 does 4k60 out of the box...
Same. Getting the s1h but unsure what lens to go with first
@@AcidicDelusion I'm getting sigma 50 1.4 and their 24-105
Meanwhile the Blackmagic Pocket 6k for $2495 6k 50fps 12-Bit BRAW for $2495 with EF mount. You could get a pocket 6k and pocket 4k for less money than the S1H.
And you still don't get the flip screen, IBIS, ergonomics, battery life. P6K and S1H are diff cam for diff purposes. P6K, as its name suggests, is designed more for cinema than everyday shooting run and gun style. Although more exp, I think S1H is a more well rounded cam.
@@shem44 You could buy a Blackmagic pocket 6k and another photography focused camera for the same price you pay to own the single S1H. The price is just too expensive.
G Film ultimately it is how u maximise each cam. having 2 cam is no better than one if they do not serve your purpose.
@@shem44 Flip Screen and battery life? Atomos Monitor and V Mount batteries solves this. If you care such small things like a flip screen you should be filming kids Birthday Parties.
@@durrsky1515 apparently u only live in your own world.
I much much much more prefer this philosophy too.
Yep. Its a nice camera to use.
Carl
Love the flip screen! Best of both worlds and I also noticed the 24-70mm f2.8 - dare I ask the price of this🙃
Anyway, great video as always 👍
I think that price is around $2,100.
@@weddingvidpro2389 it's $4,000
@@JamesJacksonFilmz I took that as him asking about the price of the lens, not the camera.
Thanks for watching! The flip screen here does seem like the best of both worlds. For up to date pricing information, check out our website: www.proav.co.uk/panasonic-lumix-s-pro-24-70mm-f2-8-lens
Dan
What an incredible camera!! Panasonic has delivered for filmmakers!! The S1 got me worrying, but the S1H has taken away all my concerns of Panasonic's dedication to the filmmaking community. All I can say is WOW!
The S1HI believe from watching the review, would be perfect as a B cam for the EVA1, or you could buy 2 S1H's for roughly the price of one EVA1
Great video, thank you. Would love to see an in depth compassion of the S1H and the S1 with Vlog, all the little non obvious differences.
Honestly speaking, a little underwhelmed by the specs since there's already the BMPCC 6K in the market. I wanted better high speed capability but it seems basically the same as the GH5/
especially when Blackmagic have BRAW and 12-bit for only $2495. You could a Blackmagic Pocket 6k + Blackmagic Pocket 4k + battery grip for the same price you pay for a S1H.
Except it's a full frame camera
And looks very videoy, why is that?
They won't personally make an ND adapter because they want to sell lenses. I think they should've got rid of the mechanical shutter to fit it internally. Hopefully a good third party ND to EF adapter for L-mount will come out soon.
Great video. Very impressed by the S1H. I'm tempted to pick one up
The rolling shutter is all over your shooting...
Now with RAW coming, courtesy of Atomos www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-panasonic-lumix
10 bit 4:2:0? why not 4:2:2 ?
A little disappointed. I think Panasonic should have went with double SD cards on the S1 and double XQD cards on the S1H so it would record 4:2:2 10bit at every resolution. I think that’s asking too much from SD cards, even V90’s.
Shooting in 6k really needs Raw. Also at that price point, you can get a ZCam F6 (6k, full-frame), that records in Raw or h.265 at a higher bit rate, all with a great dynamic range. If the S1H had a lower price, it would compete better with current video camera models. Let’s see what the Sony a7siii will have & it’s price point.
They are saving the ND filters for the EVA2. Also, the EVA2 will unlock the full features of the S1H, in a larger body.
The S1H will do RAW courtesy of Atomos and the Ninja V. It's been announced. www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-panasonic-lumix
Dam near perfect!.......shitty AF means I won't stretch up to the 4 grand price! Playing that deliberate feature trade game will be laid to rest once the A7s III then, the will be discounted to 2500!
It's a £3000 video camera with shite AF. Panasonic seem to be digging their heels in over the contrast based autofocus. Why don't they just give up the ghost on this one and sort the auto focus out and we can all move on. We all know contrast based autofocus is crap and is NEVER going to cut the mustard no matter what they do. PLEASE Panasonic get the message and sort it out!!!! For fuck sake.
Can someone tell me why 4K 60 or 4K 120 is not possible at full frame... Is there a work around? or are they just assuming that we will do it at 1080P?
09:18 too bad they can’t because canon has the patent on the variable nd adapter.
Maybe on THAT specific adapter with their specific measurements, but patents like those are quite simple to overcome. Just design something slightly better.
Panasonic better lower the price with this corona stuff it’s not like anyone can use these anyway and the economy has collapsed they need to drop this to 1k from the 3.5k
Great camera, great video again. Thank You :)
Is it better than Sony A7s ii in low light performance??
The autofocus terrible...see again never get the focus and cut the video and hide that
is it better than Sony A7s ii in extreme low light performance ??
Image is too crisp, needs to be softer..it’s a great cam but I want a vmount battery and an external ssd
make me laugh how compact you think it is, it's a fucking brick.
The fact its 10bit 420 6k....10bit 422 4k.....but not 12bit 444 HD? Disappointing.
Joking right?
@@chcomes no. Couldn't be more serious. Colour and bit depth trumps resolution every time. Anyone who thinks otherwise might as well buy a smartphone and shoot 8k with it
I fully agree and fully disagree with you. Colout trumps resolution. That is why the key is 10 bit. However 422 or 444 is resolution so I think 444 is never needed at these resolution levels anyway.
Peace.
You don't know what your talking about.
Trolling? Sad... Last try...
12 bit video does not exist today.
422, 420, 444 is the resolution of the colours.
Therefore, 420 or 422 10 bit has a bit depth that brings flexibility compared to 420 or 422 8bit. The latter will break down easily. 10bit also breaks down if the dynamic range is low, but here we talk over 13 stops.
The S1H is a definitely a game changer for professional video production. The camera is really a full-blown 6K cinema camera in a mirrorless body that exceeds the capabilities of anything else in it’s class. For video, television, and film production I can confidently say it offers more bang for the buck of any video camera ever made. Here’s a link to my review of the camera and a trailer for a the 4-hour S1H master class I have produced that can help new owners get the best results with their camera. ua-cam.com/video/GhZP14WVCn0/v-deo.html
sony Fs5 vs Panasonic s1 which is the best for low budget filmmaking in your opinion please help me and please let me know
1000% depends on WHAT you shoot most often. They are completely different form-factors so technically one can't win over the other. FS5 is a VIDEO camera - audio inputs/mixing, button layout, Raw output. The S1 is a HYBRID camera in a stills camera form-factor. It's mainly all about the form factor, and how quickly and easily you can set it up and use it for what you need to do.
1000% depends on WHAT you shoot and how quickly and easily you can set up each camera for what specifically you intend to shoot. They are such different form-factors that a comparison between the too will unfortunately never be able to answer the question for each individual filmmaker and their needs, they are just too different worlds with similar end-results (aside from raw video output from the FS5, of course).
Do more research because your comparing apples to oranges. They’re so different dude.
Hi Carl, Great review my friend. I wonder Atomos will update the Ninja V to not only to allow Pro-Res RAW, but allow 6K recording?
Meanwhile Canon removes 24p on their latest cameras
Thanks a lot for the video :)
This could be the ONE camera to upgrade for me :D
even 1080p HF in 10 bit nice!
cheaper Blackmagic pocket 6k for $2495
This has lots of advantages over the Pocket 6K that are worth the extra money. The improved ergonomics, the EVF, the Stabilised sensor, the more flexible mount, and lots more. Pocket 6K is a great camera, but they are very different
Carl
Yes the IBIS and EVF alone nearly worth it :D
how would you compare this to sony fx9 ?
9:07 ND filter adaptor what is it product?
Hi ! Thank you for this review ,
I would love a complete review like the one for the bmpcc 4k.
To get an answer on everything in the camera side of it.
Dynamic range, breaking the footage for color science and lut, can afc in video mode can keep a face or is there a too huge lack, is the camera can take high temperature in bright sun (my a7ii stop really quick when in bright sun) etc
Thanks again and a pleasure to see your vidz as always, from French side of your followers !
@@kezzatube45 the more the better
Can you adapt EF lenses?
sickhcivc pay attention my dude. L MOUNT jeeeez
They have a EF to L mount adapter. Also L to PL mount adapter.
Which one is better 4 k 4.2.2 or 6k 4.2.0?
What lens was used to film the test footage in this Carl (the actual S1H camera not the BTS cam)?
All of the footage from the S1H was shot on their new 24-70mm f2.8 :www.proav.co.uk/panasonic-lumix-s-pro-24-70mm-f2-8-lens
Dan
looks like a great camera for people doing weddings, tilt screen is great for people using gimbals as well. Hopefully I can afford the upgrade at some point
Absolutely, it would be a fantastic choice for weddings.
Carl
IF you can't afford it, buy the Blackmagic pocket 6k for only $2495. Probably better for shooting weddings as well
@@gfilm6870 I own a pocket 4k and I'd much rather use the S1H tbh. Reliability. lowlight, and battery performance is key for weddings to me
@@timekeepermedia5142 I own the pocket 4k and think the lowlight is actually better. Just buy a battery grip for the pocket 4k for better battery?
@@gfilm6870 The Pocket actually is not a good camera for weddings. You know how many batteries you'll have to take with you? Also no IBIS.
fans and heat ? No ARM chip yet !
Wow... the model is gorgeous
I want her phone number.
Это пиздец какая крутая камера ...
Any news on dynamic range and highlight handling?
Should we wait for Sony A7S3?? Thats the question.
This camera looks impressive except for the Autofocus. I love shooting manual and if I buy this camera I would wrap around my head that I will be shooting with manual focus. That price though is the one that got me thinking. We are talking about 6000 $ to get this camera with the new 24 70 F2.8 as your only lens!!!! Ouch!!
Picture quality seems very good, not mind-blowing though. The lack of proper AF is a disappointment. I can't really see the market for these type of cameras. They have really advanced video capabilities in a photographic-oriented body, which is not really prepared to video work. That means that you have to put a lot of accessories (xlr adapter, ND's, battery grip...). If you are serious about video and willing to pay a hefty price tag, why would you pick one of these instead of, say, canon c200 or sony FS5?
It seems like an odd beast to me as well, I'm not sure who will buy into this system. I can't imagine anyone buying this to shoot photos so I too don't get the photographic body style they've went with. If Sony ups their bitrates and offers 10 bit I think those cameras will make better all-rounders for hybrid shooters. Interesting though to see what it will push other makers to produce now.
Full frame
Why? IBIS in a relatively small body compared to an FS5 or C200. Adapt PL, EF, Nikon and all kinds of other lenses, while still using IBIS. Still fits on a Ronin-s. Full Frame.
c200 is pricer, heavier and can shoot either in raw or lousy mp4. Same goes for FS5 which cannot do 4K at 60p.
Wow, Panasonic really have pulled out all the stops for this one!!! Now its on to Sony and Canon to see what they put on the market over the next few months. What I will say is that the race to the higher 'K' output isn't what people should be looking for. A nice LOG curve in HD 10bit is as good as anything you'll need for the next 12 months!!
Atomos have announced ProRes Raw recording over HDMI with the S1H and the Ninja V since this video was published
Indeed they have! It's a very exciting development, we can't wait to test it out.
Dan
@@ProAVTV They have mentioned Raw not ProRes Raw specifically
love how the menu looks
How many times are you going to say "unlimited recording"? That's simply not possible unless it streams off to some off-camera storage.
Was the footage filmed in St Albans? Looks familiar.
You should've been an actor, friend. Nice video! Well-spoken.
Which camera and lens did you use for the closeup S1H shots? The product shots look alot sharper and overall calmer.
This S1h is a fantastic camera, but $ 4,000 is a lot ....
*cough*
RED camera
Cheap for what it offers. Professional video cameras are much more expensive.
meh...
Disappointed?
Carl
prefer the more affordable Blackmagic pocket 6k
That screen!!!!!!! 😍
Hi what ND filter did you use and where can I buy it thank you
We used the Tiffen Variable ND, and you can get one from our website: www.proav.co.uk/tiffen-82mm-variable-neutral-density-filter
Dan
Highlight rendering looks definitely better than Sony A7 series cameras on video. This S1H is so good for video major/still minor usage, but the biggest letdown is AF! Damn! Can't just give us a perfect camera in today's available technology? Why?! (Blackmagic has the best IQ, especially color and DR rendering. Sony has the best AF. Panasonic has almost everything....but AF has not met the average standard, ie. A7iii/A7Riii standard). And Sony never improve highlight rendering on videos in their A7 series cameras, i wonder if it's because none of the reviewers gave Sony this feedback? I am shocked! No reviewer sees this as an IQ issue? If Sony can make the A7Siii highlight rendering as good as this S1H with the latest AF capability, i'd say it's a buy for me.
This monster can now do 6k 24fps RAW into the Ninja V!
I am exited about this camera, it looks like an excellent B camera for documentary filmmakers like myself. A few questions do come to mind: Are there L mount speedboosters available yet? Wide angle when shooting in 4K 4.2.2. is a concern... Also, how is the I.S. with non Panasonic glass? I.S. with cine glass sounds amazing... This does look interesting, I like the viewfinder too, it’s actually useable, which makes for a nice change...
The auto focus is the biggest let down I have heard about this which is a really big shame for the S1H. No doubt though the bmpcc6k and S1H is gonna make other cameras improve..
What should happen for variable ND is a Fotodiox throttle ND that fits third party lenses to the Panasonic L mount. I used one for the Nikon Z mount with Rokinon EF mount lenses and another with FD lenses to Z mount and both worked great.
But to date Fotodiox has not produced their throttle ND for the L mount.
Hi can you help - someone is saying that they are selling a Panasonic S1 - NTSC version - do you know what that means... I thought they both shoot NTSC and PAL or do I need to somehow convert it?
I think there is a lot of OEM parts in there from Sony and Atamos .(sensor is Sony for sure)Price is way too high.Black Magic is over 1K cheaper.The 4 K 1295,- (so I can do a three camera shoot in 4K)Just saying.Has Some Nice features nevertheless.
Why don't you mention about the bad rolling shutter instead of pretending like it is a review and not an advertisement for the camera.
The Panasonic Lumix S-Series Camera Professionals - S1H, S1, S1R Facebook Group has a good discussion going on about this camera. I recommend joining.
Can that autofocus be fixed in a future software update or is it a hardware issue? I love this camera and want it so bad, but autofocus is an important factor in the work that I do. If I thought that Panasonic was going to invest in making that feature at least comparable to Sony and Canon than I'd probably pull the trigger. If it is a lost cause and a hardware issue, then I'll probably have to pass... unfortunately.
may I ask how you grad your footage? Looks awesome
Thanks! I'm assuming you mean the S1H footage? For grading, most of the legwork was done with the Panasonic L-Log LUT (technical, not a creative LUT) that's built into FCPX, which gave quite a good result for most shots straight away. From there I adjusted the shadows and highlights slightly along with a touch of saturation to match each shot to the sequences.
Dan
Thanks for your video! do you know if it's possible to charge the battery with the SS USBC plug while shooting video?
Is ist possible To use cf-Express-cards? Behause of the 400MB per second.
Will the Atomos Shogun 7 be of any use with the S1H? What has happened to the Atomos Shogun 7? not a lot of reviews online since its availability.
It would have been a real coup if Panasonic had figured out how to build a variable ND filter into this thing.
does this shoot 4k120fps? or 360fps in 1080p?!?!
lol, the A1 just made this useless.
For $1500-2000 more but in terms of the market pretty much.
It is all about the build quality (leica) we like to know is there a chance is works for how long
I know it's not for pictures but is it good for photos I will be using it for both?
my only concern is how good or inefficient is the auto focus for like a wedding
All Panasonic need to do now is make a servo zoom lens for camera and i will buy it
one big Problem with the GH5: you cant use HDMI out and camera controll over usb for a gimbal to controll f/iso/wb at the same time. Is this fixed now?
💪👍💯
Always wondered, where do you guys get those lovely domed stickers made for your gear?
Your show is so well put together. Shooting on the C300 helps too!
What's with the front red button
Who do they think they are, LEICA?😅
Thank you for the video, how did the camera perform in low light scenarios?
It look like a dream to me . And never will be true ; ( :(
Really LOVE what Panny is doing here... but damn i cant get around 4k60 ONLY in s35 crop mode... :((((
What if we can apply speed booster adapter to 35mm mode?
I am curious how the battery life is going to be on the consumer model.
See what happens when you take too long sony?
We have been waiting quite a while...
Carl
ProAV TV yes indeed ☹️. Either way competition is great!
How is it as a photo stills camera. I know you discussed it quickly and I know it's more a video camera first but in DP reviews all theybsaid was it suffersbas avphoto camera and that's it.
mkq0007 its 24mp same as the S1 so most likely similar stills IQ.
What is the size of a single pixel on the sensor?
was the b roll footage of the young woman filmed using AF? thank you for the effort and the sharing. i am an appreciative subscriber.
No, manual focus. Thanks for watching
Carl
Can you do a session
On the Rig setup for Lumix S1H ?
External power
Atomos Ninja 5
Boom mike & wireless mike dual config
Led light panel