Beautiful work! My father was a tool & die maker/machinist who made everything from the sten gun to jet engines to Atlas missile ignitirors and more in his day, and I got several opportunities to watch him work at some of the biggest name companies in history. I did not follow him into the same career regretably, but I had a great appreciation at his skill & work. I'd love to see a walkthrough of your shop, you seem to have a fair amount of equipment & tools.
Thanks! Tool and die is quite the trade and takes a lot of skill (beyond my expertise). I thought about doing a walk through before, but it would be a short video. It's a small shop and I don't really have a lot of tools, just the right ones for the work I do.
Buying used guns is always fun cuz of the stories you get told. Seen a lot of ".22 ACP (SIC)" pistols over the years. When you said he told you it was a turkey gun and mentioned you discovered it was overbored (eg. for slugs), I was like, "Wow. How big are the turkeys where he lives?!" 🤣🤣 I always see people with .410s or, at most, 20 gauges loaded with birdshot. I mean, you COULD-you can hunt squirrels with .30-06, too. Certainly saves you the trouble of buying a sausage grinder but then you need to bring a rake hunting with you to gather up the pieces.
Nice video. I've been wondering why more people don't try to make bullet brass by machining it on a lathe. Sure, it's more time consuming than pressing sheet metal through progressively smaller dies but it's probably easier to get working. You need a lathe to make the press dies anyway, so why not just make the cartridges on the lathe? Just making primers via that method is finicky and difficult to get correct.
I love my $125 Marlin model 200 in 12 gauge and I also use full brass. But $10 worth of brass for a single casing??! But if it works and you can't get it make it. Haha! Mine's a 12 gauge so magtech brass is readily available and I think two boxes of 25 is going to last long enough for me. On a side note the single shot shotguns are grossly underappreciated for their versatility. If you can find them in good shape for a reasonable price get one whether it's made by NEF H&R or Marlin get it! Ever since Remington took over Marlin they stopped producing them and from what I understand there's no schedule or interest and bringing back any of the 1871 single shots.
@ 3:25 How about make it the full 3-1/2" long, anneal the tip, FIRMLY chamber it so as to cause the end to bend inwards and follow the bore taper, then trim the interior to thin it and match the shell ID, so the transition is smoother. Yes, the thinner end will be less sturdy, so just treat them with care and any minor dings should be ironed out when firing. Since these are being made to fit this one chamber (a single shot) there should be no need for a dimensional variance for manufacturing tolerances.
Thanks for the info. I didn't go the full 3 1/2 because I didn't have a small boring bar that will reach that far without turning into a tuning fork. When I have the time to pick this project back up, I plan on annealing them and making a die that will roll-crimp the end.
Highest quality and strength milling down and out the roundstock, but... could brass or copper pipe be sized and inserted (and bonded) into an existing shell's base?
Did you leave the inside base of the shell thick/deep enough to match up with the height of the 209 primers? Also, what powder(s) did you use for loading? It’s REALLY tough to find any load data for the type of shells.
How about machining a base with an alignment step on the exterior, then slipping on and brazing some tubing onto the base that is close to the final dimension, then you can clean up the brazing on the lathe when going for the final dimension.
@@daafdijkers2230 Brazing is melted brass and is just like steel welding, so the brass will be fully a part of the parts it's brazed to. Then just cut or grind it flat. I'd simply use a piece of brass tubing thicker than needed and make the base to fit the ID of the tube, then braze it all together, then turn the outer part of the tube to final dimensions.
Any recollection as to what drill size and reamer was used for the primer hole? I had purchased some 12 gauge cartridges from Rockey Mountain Cartrige Works about 18 years ago. They were expensive then but machined out of solid brass. Fast forward to last fall and I see they were trying to sell out to another buyer if one was to be found but as of spring 2022 I have not checked their website to see what is happening. Yes its labor intensive and there is a lot of waste but that canbe recycled to the manufacture of brass rods. Thanks for this video, your work is excellent!
In plastic gauge 12,we have a plastic device end of a case,so do you need to add it to brass shell?dont you have problem with puting and changing primer in brass shotgun shell?
On brass shot shells you would use a over-shot wad then crimp the brass or use wax or hot glue to hold the wad in place. priming would be the same as any other cartridge only done by hand instead of with dies.
That is some of the most wasteful way i have ever seen someone make something (anything really). I really hope you tried to recover the used metal (i doubt it though). Luckily you used brass which doesnt necessarily need to be reforged.
Sadly, that's just one of the 'costs' of high-strength milled parts. He may have been able to waste less with a composite/2-part design, but it would've required a lot of testing and revisions to be as reliable and safe as a fully milled shell.
The ultimate prepper method! Just machine your own cases :D
I have always wanted to do this in 12ga but life keeps getting in the way. Happy to see you have completed it.
Beautiful work! My father was a tool & die maker/machinist who made everything from the sten gun to jet engines to Atlas missile ignitirors and more in his day, and I got several opportunities to watch him work at some of the biggest name companies in history.
I did not follow him into the same career regretably, but I had a great appreciation at his skill & work. I'd love to see a walkthrough of your shop, you seem to have a fair amount of equipment & tools.
Thanks!
Tool and die is quite the trade and takes a lot of skill (beyond my expertise).
I thought about doing a walk through before, but it would be a short video. It's a small shop and I don't really have a lot of tools, just the right ones for the work I do.
@@ShootingTipsandTricks - That's all it takes is the right tool for each job.
Now THAT's a nice lathe project!
Buying used guns is always fun cuz of the stories you get told. Seen a lot of ".22 ACP (SIC)" pistols over the years. When you said he told you it was a turkey gun and mentioned you discovered it was overbored (eg. for slugs), I was like, "Wow. How big are the turkeys where he lives?!" 🤣🤣 I always see people with .410s or, at most, 20 gauges loaded with birdshot. I mean, you COULD-you can hunt squirrels with .30-06, too. Certainly saves you the trouble of buying a sausage grinder but then you need to bring a rake hunting with you to gather up the pieces.
What .22 ACP? I don't find a single mention on the web that something like that exists. Do you mean .25 ACP?
@@braindecay9477 that's exactly what he was getting at lol. 22 ACP isn't a thing, that's the point.
We are in the 21st century man!
We dont use rakes to collect our squirrel mince!
We have battery powered wet&dry vacuum cleaners.
John...that's some fancy machine work. Just beautiful.
Thanks.
You are a genius guy.
Very good working maching brass shotgun ga410
Beautiful job.
watching this video reminds me of the cartoon I saw as a kid where the factory turned down an entire tree log into one toothpick
Nice video. I've been wondering why more people don't try to make bullet brass by machining it on a lathe. Sure, it's more time consuming than pressing sheet metal through progressively smaller dies but it's probably easier to get working. You need a lathe to make the press dies anyway, so why not just make the cartridges on the lathe? Just making primers via that method is finicky and difficult to get correct.
This dude sounds like Joe Pera.
Im saving this in my sleep playlist.
Perfect! I’ll take a dozen
Beautiful!
Have you considered aluminum? I've seen foreign shells made out of it.
Too brittle compared to brass
@@NumbDiggers1998 that's too bad, aluminum tubing is cheap. What about steel?
hopefully you will be able to salvage all that beautiful brass that you removed when boring the interior of the casing.
I love my $125 Marlin model 200 in 12 gauge and I also use full brass. But $10 worth of brass for a single casing??! But if it works and you can't get it make it. Haha! Mine's a 12 gauge so magtech brass is readily available and I think two boxes of 25 is going to last long enough for me. On a side note the single shot shotguns are grossly underappreciated for their versatility.
If you can find them in good shape for a reasonable price get one whether it's made by NEF H&R or Marlin get it! Ever since Remington took over Marlin they stopped producing them and from what I understand there's no schedule or interest and bringing back any of the 1871 single shots.
Desert Buck i have some 3.5 inch 10 gauges i paid $14 a piece for.
That’s kool. Now you just need nine more
Nice job. Great video. Thx
very good 👏
That's like how the bowling pins were made in the Simpsons episode.
Great job! Tell me about your lathe. A walkthrough of your shop would be enjoyable!
What size of drill did you use to drill out the primer hole?
Very nice work!
question...can you make a 4 inch shell for the 10 ga? 3.5 oz load? whats the max chamber pressure?
Fantastic video.
that was a very interesting video
@ 3:25 How about make it the full 3-1/2" long, anneal the tip, FIRMLY chamber it so as to cause the end to bend inwards and follow the bore taper, then trim the interior to thin it and match the shell ID, so the transition is smoother. Yes, the thinner end will be less sturdy, so just treat them with care and any minor dings should be ironed out when firing.
Since these are being made to fit this one chamber (a single shot) there should be no need for a dimensional variance for manufacturing tolerances.
Thanks for the info.
I didn't go the full 3 1/2 because I didn't have a small boring bar that will reach that far without turning into a tuning fork.
When I have the time to pick this project back up, I plan on annealing them and making a die that will roll-crimp the end.
can that ramp be machiened to allow 4 inches to fit with out compromising safety?
Beautifull work, would love to see them on action.
How hot can you load these, like will it take a magnum slug?
Keen to see you shoot this
I plan to as soon as get the time to develop a load.
Highest quality and strength milling down and out the roundstock, but...
could brass or copper pipe be sized and inserted (and bonded) into an existing shell's base?
Nice.
Why wouldn't you use brass tube, and then solder on a machined base?
@@electrochemical.army. Maybe. Only issue is, most shotshell heads are made of pretty thin metal.
what drills do you use?
is this how metal cartridges were made, before the huge drawing dies existed?
Do you think it would be possible to make cases by metal spinning from a brass disc?
I wonder if sand cast bar from recycled brass would be ok for this? Only way that could be cost effective for me.
What type of brass is this sir?
Did you leave the inside base of the shell thick/deep enough to match up with the height of the 209 primers? Also, what powder(s) did you use for loading? It’s REALLY tough to find any load data for the type of shells.
The base at the rim is about 3/8 and center matches with the primer.
Haven't had chance to do much load development.
Can the waste brass be melted down for tube stock again. Just seems like alot of waste.
Welcome to machining.
Magnificent work. Is the inside base just the drill bit end profile more or less?
Yes
How about machining a base with an alignment step on the exterior, then slipping on and brazing some tubing onto the base that is close to the final dimension, then you can clean up the brazing on the lathe when going for the final dimension.
I thought about that. My concern was after repeated use and annealing the brazing might loosen.
Is it allowed to fabricate it with brazing?
@@daafdijkers2230 Brazing is melted brass and is just like steel welding, so the brass will be fully a part of the parts it's brazed to.
Then just cut or grind it flat.
I'd simply use a piece of brass tubing thicker than needed and make the base to fit the ID of the tube, then braze it all together, then turn the outer part of the tube to final dimensions.
From the thumbnail I thought you had some absurd sabot round meant for break-actions.
Is brass the best metal to use? Would aluminum be good too?
Aluminum will work, but not for very long. It will degrade far quicker than brass.
Actually interested in buying 3 or 4 of these as 3 inch
ive an h&r model 176 10 ga
Is it possible to actually hydropress bullets in a home shop?
If you have a strong enough press.
Swaging may be a faster and easier method though.
@@ShootingTipsandTricks Is swaging bullet jackets much more complicated than drawing your own cartridge cases?
@@bilbo_gamers6417 Swaging is a forming proses, it doesn't just apply to bullets.
Resizing brass for reloading is technically swaging.
Hey bro which brass grade you use for doing this...
Awesome vid brother I wish u tested fired after that would have toped the vid off real nice
Thanks.
I thought about it, but I didn't want the video running too long.
He should have made the interior to use modern wads.
Have you tried making 9mm cases using the same method?
I haven't. Given the price of 9mm brass, it's the farthest thing from cost affective.
Any recollection as to what drill size and reamer was used for the primer hole?
I had purchased some 12 gauge cartridges from Rockey Mountain Cartrige Works about 18 years ago. They were expensive then but machined out of solid brass. Fast forward to last fall and I see they were trying to sell out to another buyer if one was to be found but as of spring 2022 I have not checked their website to see what is happening.
Yes its labor intensive and there is a lot of waste but that canbe recycled to the manufacture of brass rods.
Thanks for this video, your work is excellent!
The large drill for the primer rim was about .235 or 7/32.
8:50 What are you doing step-spindle?!
Center drilling so the large drill has a good start and doesn't wander.
Would you happen to have any written measurements? I’d love to have a crack at the process 👍
I don't. I have a bad habit of doing thing from memory and not writing them down.
@@ShootingTipsandTricks that’s all good mate! I had a go last night and I’m pretty happy with how it turned out.
Not sure if you’ll get this message, but would you be interested in making and selling? I’d be interested in some 12g.
What’s your background music?
bohemian rhapsody
@@ShootingTipsandTricks Jincheng Zheng-Sportsman (instrumental)
Thank you very much.
Are you selling them?
I didn't have any plans to sell them.
Machining them is not very cost affective. Between material cost and time, these would be expensive.
Buffalo Arms and Track of the Wolf sell some for about $10 each, empty.
A box of 25 would been much cheaper lmao
In plastic gauge 12,we have a plastic device end of a case,so do you need to add it to brass shell?dont you have problem with puting and changing primer in brass shotgun shell?
On brass shot shells you would use a over-shot wad then crimp the brass or use wax or hot glue to hold the wad in place. priming would be the same as any other cartridge only done by hand instead of with dies.
@@ShootingTipsandTricks can you asamble plastic hull with plastic tube and brass cap?bez I want to know if i can make hull in home
@@ShootingTipsandTricks also do you try it with st37 carbon steal,for cheaper than shot shells.
@@razornew2274 Making plastic hulls at home would be a bit difficult. Production ones are stamped brass and injection molded plastic.
Hi sir
Can you help me make 2 piece for 12 guage I can pay you sir
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Send those chips my way, I'll put them in the furnace and cast you a year supply of thumb tacks.
That is some of the most wasteful way i have ever seen someone make something (anything really). I really hope you tried to recover the used metal (i doubt it though). Luckily you used brass which doesnt necessarily need to be reforged.
Wow. Just wow. Brass isn't exactly in short supply and easily melted/cast at home.
@@4110mahindra being wasteful is being wasteful. Respect the resources you. Have or you might not have it when you really really need it.
Sadly, that's just one of the 'costs' of high-strength milled parts.
He may have been able to waste less with a composite/2-part design, but it would've required a lot of testing and revisions to be as reliable and safe as a fully milled shell.
Have you ever poured your own bars to mill?