@thurmanstevenson5692 I came back years later to finish the show but it wasn't the same without him I also feel horrible for the actor he spent his whole life on that show and they fucked him over like that just to avoid paying him more
Carl was labeled and viewed as the future of TWD and when they killed him off, it really hurt the show badly. Now it’s down to Judith to be the future of TWD. Really dumb to kill off one character that can carry the show onwards.
@@allaninaet2835I just think it would have been too graphic to kill a new born baby that way on TV because they toned down the Governor from the comics
@@allaninaet2835the show runner kept leaving in bits and pieces and places where they could kill Judith and say “I’d be weird to bring her back now” but the executives wouldn’t let them
Rick Grymes was almost irreplaceable as a protagonist. The only one, who could've taken over after writing Rick off would've been Carl, as he's Rick's legacy and got some mayor character development since the very beginning when he was still a young child. Daryl and Carol are great side characters, but they fail horribly as protagonists, and so does most of the remaining cast.
@@thatgirlwearingglasses OP wasn't talking about the skill of the actors. Rather, from a thematic perspective, Carl was really the only other potential main antagonist if you want to keep to the same general arc.
It was Oviously The Coked Suits desesion however Gimple Cleary didn't push back and used it as a personal opportunity with is exactly what you don't want in a showrunner.
He’s the best thing that happened to TWD and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t. He made the best episodes of the whole show. Both personally and literally the highest rated episodes on IMDB.
@@BoogSReviews by using comic element's/scenes to the point of literally word for word, worst episodes when it's Gimples Original writing, trash people, hospital filler, S7B, world beyond, crm. Just like him you used someone else's line and rewrote into something else.
Although Gimple deserves a lot of blame, the truth is that AMC is as much to blame. Hell they were the ones who got rid of frank darabont, the guy who straight up got the show rolling to begin with because Frank didn’t want to financially cheap out on the show in S2.
The worst decision in the whole of the franchise. Carl was the core to the TV show and was so important in rhe original comic his perspective being critical to the epilogue. The shock value kill off was such a drastically stupid move.
I wasnt a big fan of carl in the early seasons and oddly enough when they killed him off i was starting to like his character growth. But like him or not, he was the heart of the show and ricks driving force. Killing him off was a HUGE mistake for the show.
I don't think anyone liked carl in the beginning, especially because he's kind of responsible for dales death. I know dale had to die because the actor wanted out, but I was still mad at carl xD
I was literally in the middle of binging the show for the first time and having a blast when the carl grimes death controversy happened and it oretty much killed my entire drive to continue where i was at in season 4. Never watched it again and never looked back or regretted it
Hell maibe the holl TV industrie if there were good shows like TWD(before seson 7) left peapole wode stil wach TV (sorry for my bad englishe its not my native luanguge and yes im exargereiting but stil i have a point)
Lets be fr carl was definitely one of the best. He was like his dad but also like glenn where he wouldn't just massacre people for supplies but would use diplomacy just to avoid conflict. Then again whenever they all get captured, carl is usually the one who starts blasting first
From what I've read, the main reason for Frank Dillane not wanting to continue on FTWD was that he'd just become a father and didn't want to leave his girlfriend alone with their child back in England for several months, while he was off shooting the series in the US. Maybe Gimpel coming over was another reason for it, but I'd say that it's understandable, if him choosing to put his family first was the real reason.
Maybe he was thinking of moving over to the US then saw carls character killed off and realised that it could happen to him and left before he got too invested.
He was the main character with Madison, not Alicia. The show was all about him and her. He signed on for 7 seasons, you really think that's the reason?
They tried so hard to make his death sound like this greater message but it fell flat. All it did was piss people off that a badass character died in the dumbest way possible
It was extremely stupid as Rick and Carl where the main two, and Ricks main goal was to survive so he could keep Coral surviving, that was the main point of the show.
I wouldve loved to see a world where Nick didnt die and was running a group in fear, and Carl with the Alexandrians and all run into each other at the end maybe against the commonwealth?
I heard long ago that it was rumored for fear and walking dead to merge together and every group and characters to meet up again. Including a reunion of Morgan and Rick. But it never happened. :/
When I saw that Carl had been bit, I was furious. I started thinking to myself "he's immune, he's immune, I don't know how they'll make it work but he's immune". And then he wasn't immune, they just killed the one character that should never die under no circumstances. Scott Gimple is a downright horrible person for this atrocity. I will never forgive him for this and the fact that they promoted him for it makes everything so much worse. I will never watch TWD past that point ever again.
When I saw that walker bite Carl, I was shouting at the screen because it was such a terrible scene. The Carl we knew from even just an episode or two before would not have gone down so easily. Ffs, the guy has been shot twice and even scared Negan. When he got bit, it was as if he was new to the apocalypse
The decision to kill Carl was so dumb, I just KNEW they were going to make him immune. It was the only decision that made sense after having him get bit. Once he died, I gave up on the show and didnt come back until Rick's last episode. Then left again 😂
I've said it on The Thrifty Typewriter's channel, and I'll say it here - it should have been Carl carrying Judith in TWD series finale and then donating his blood to her, bringing his story full circle. Then, at the end, he and Daryl ride off together to look for Rick - bringing the series as a whole full circle, while highlighting both Carl and Daryl's growth as characters; Daryl by not being the lone wolf and trusting someone to have his back out in the wasteland, and Carl for having grown from a little kid who needed everyone to protect him into a man who someone like Daryl trusts to be his wingman.
Scott gave us peak TWD. Seasons 3-7 are classic wth are you guys going on about. Chandler Riggs was a cringy actor and Judith is a way better replacement
@@plaguedoctor5657 That's mainly because Robert Kirkman was there through a lot of it until they fucked him over and he sued them too. AMC did a lot of dirty shit to the people that brought it to them. They pretty much straight up stole the show
It still stings that season 3 of fear is where the show really found its footing. It may have been mixed to people in the beginning but it really had something special to it. The acting and the intensity of scenes between certain characters and their dark descents was awesome. To know it basically was cancelled and transformed into a literal zombie itself, is what hurts.
I don't know why they didn't just follow the graphic novel from start to finish. Carl & Negan both live. Rick dies but becomes a martyr and his memory a source for hope that things can not only go back to normal but be even better than before the apocalypse.
Don't forget they did the exact same thing to Frank Darabont after he basically gave birth to the show with Season 1. The casting, direction, all of it was pretty much him and they just dropped him like he was nothing. The suspicion that Chandler turning 18 being killed off because AMC didn't want to pay him adult wages falls in line with what happened with Frank when they fired him due to his wages bumping up each successful season. You'd think a massively successful TV show like The Walking Dead would make AMC enough money to not be so stingy with its' talent, but I guess corporate greed really has no limit. AMC would cut its own foot off and eat it just because it was hungry.
I feel like if they wanted to keep Negan alive so much they should of had Morgan stay in his “all life is precious” faze (even tho Morgan going savage in all out war was one of the best parts of season 8) then have Morgan get bit (but not in a dumb way like Carl) or slowly dying then he asks Rick in his dying words to keep Negan alive and put him in the cell he built because “all life is precious.” It would make Morgan’s death meaningful. It would be better than what they did with adding Morgan to Fear which didn’t really work well. Rick would listen to Morgan’s advice and the cycle of helping and keeping others alive and it would be proven to be true because how useful Negan was in Seasons 9-11 like saving Judith and helping them beat the whisperer war.
@@MASTEROFEVIL he bought a house near set to do both after agreeing to 3 more years, qyiting for school was a lie Amc's pr team was spreading to make themselves not look like total dicks
@@MASTEROFEVIL i don't get what would be the problem if he was going to college on the side? they filmed the entire show with him going to school on the side so what the issue?
“Since they didn’t like me killing off the second main character on the main show what if I kill off the main character on the second show” - Scott gimple
Thats how walkers worked from like season 3 onwards, They were completely harmless non threat unless in a herd or someone needs to die. Than you get Ninja zombies out of nowhere.
Still haven’t finished the show because of his death, plus Rick left the show also. I still don’t plan to go back to finish it thank goodness the comics exist.
Not only did they kill one of the best characters. The only logical reason they could find was that it was for Ricks further development. But he stagnated and a Season later he left the show too. And what did we get in return. Carl saved Siddiq who brought absolutely zero value to the show and just died some time later.
Letting Negan live was the dumbest, most senseless and out-of-place plot twist I've ever seen in a TV show. Yes, I'm aware he lives in the comic series, no, I don't care. The way the show was framed & the way the plot points were adding up, Negan should have been the one to die, PERIOD. I don't know how or why the writers suddenly decided to turn Rick and company from a cadre of tough and gritty survivors to a bunch of simpering, ball-less pacifists, but it was a stupid decision and they should be ashamed of themselves.
@@plaguedoctor5657 Did you pay attention at all? His people weren’t that loyal to him, there was an internal power struggle between the leaders, he basically had slaves running most of the safe houses. Most of his people were just doing what they had to in order to survive, as soon as Negan died they would’ve kept doing what they had to to survive. Sure there would be rouge groups who carried on his ideals, but that happens in the show anyways. Nothing major would’ve changed if he died outside of his redemption.
so many things would not have happened if he died, the reason he lived was cause carl said it would be best, judith would have never been saved in the winter, alpha would prob have never been killed off the way she was
I have never lived this one down. To me, the show was always about Rick proving Shane wrong. Shane said he couldn't keep his family safe, and in the end he was right. FFFFFFUCK YOU! Lori dying of childbirth is one thing, but Carl dying because Rick wasn't keeping his eye on him just undermines so much of the soul of this story for me. Instead of all these fuckass spin off shows, they could've just killed off Rick in season 9 and had Carl take over the mantle in his place.
fatigue for this show started to kick in around season 5 and 6. I held on just thinking to myself "we didnt come this far, just to come this far, I can't wait to see how they handle Ricks death and pass the torch on to Carl". Nope, as an audience we just kept getting punched in the face. Gimple must get pleasure out of it
cool video, never knew that gimple was so horrible at his job. Love how AMC promoted him but fired frank darabont who made arguably the best seasons of the walking dead lol.
I didn't care at all for Carl, I could watch 5 episodes in a row and not notice that he hadn't featured. But you simply CANNOT kill him! He is Rick's heart and without him there is no reason to go on. I'm heartbroken and I don't know if I'll be able to continue with the rest of thee show. I cried like my own family died even hours after it had happened.
I dont mind character deaths in shows, but Carl was more than just an important character; he was a symbol. He was the symbol of a new beginning and a hope for the new world. When you take away something like that, it robs the whole show.
Carls Death was the last episode i watched. As it happened, i was so mad as it just seemed so abrupt and weird and so "why?". Prior to it, they really were focused on Carl and making it seem like he really was going to take over and be the main guy that would lead the group having a huge role moving froward. All his skills were coming along, he started leading, being independent, got a gf and then all of a sudden out of knowhere hes gone. I remember being so mad at this, that i just didnt even watch another episode ever again.
Man I hated the idea that Carl died especially when I was a kid growing up along side the show that it angers me to this day thinking how Chandler Riggs Could’ve made a big difference being in the show and how the story could’ve been different overall bc after he died and Rick and Mochonne were looking for supplies it just felt like there was no hope in the atmosphere of the show. 😢
I think they should have used Simon to hurt Carl and then Negan go after Simon and teaming up with Rick the Prick to get Simon. It could have been Negans arc. Carl could have recovered over time but had it kill a young friend like Enid maybe.
All the producers had to do is write a story where Carl is kidnapped and Rick sets out to find him which would've explained both of their absence from the show. Later on they could've introduced the CRM as the reason for the kidnapping. Later on Carl could've been recast as an older person.
Honestly, Carl and Glenn were the two hearts of the show. You can kill one but you can't kill both. Once Glenn was gone, there was no show without Carl. Negan staying alive after all he did was ridiculous from any angle. He couldn't replace one of them, let alone both. Love the actor, great villain character, but Negan's one hell of a weak leg to stand a show on. I completely agree with your analysis. Carl was the character I eventually cared most about. Him being gone drained all my will to care, and you really showed why. He went from a typical kid who annoyed at times, to a protagonist-worthy person as his character deepened over time. They failed to be faithful to the comics, their actor, and their audience all at once.
And this was all because the actor playing Carl Grimes turned 18 and they didn't want to negotiate a new contract where they would have to pay him as an adult. It was purely for greed and was one of them worst choices they have ever made in the story. They could have used Carl for one of the many spinoffs, allowing Rick to hand off the reins to Carl. What's crazy, is Carle being killed of was one of Andrew Lincoln's reasons for leaving the show when he did.
I actually really liked FTWD but dropped it after the gimple switch, I got back when they brought on OUAT showrunners onto the show, but it was too late for me to get back. The tone and more intimate cast of characters was far better balanced, they didnt have the same problem with the main shows where because of episode mandates they had to have several isolated filler episodes throughout a season to make up for the mandate, so the pacing was much more consistent and they introduced nice concepts and a beautiful setting every season. then gimple got on and it just made the show TWD lite. filler episodes every other week, ugly grey setting, dismantling and discarding the characters that we've already gotten attached to and inserting a character nobody wanted cause even on the main he was getting on people's nerves. They probably would've done better moving someone like the Garbriel or a Dwight and develop them there, or Abraham and his crew with Eugene and Rosita since its a flashback.
They could've just had him do what they did with Morgan and have him live on his own - maybe he ran away with Enid or something and they lived together off screen for years only to eventually come back at a later time.
I remember tearing my room up soon as i seen his bite. Then they "got rid" of scott by promoting him. I was done after that. Seasons 9 and 10 were good, but didnt hit the same after all the bs
They should do a TWD “What if” series that focuses on Carl and Sophia set 15 years after the apocalypse started. Maybe incorporate comic characters that weren’t included in the main show or reimagined because they only got bit parts
I really wish they kept Carl alive & had him look over Judith but as Judith grows she loses someone she loves & shows signs of Shane behaviour (Stay with me here) And her & Carl basically have some sibling rivalry & fight on some occasions but in a parallel scene of Rick & Shane in the farm field they come together as a family rather than fighting eachother If they did this with Carl & Judith as characters I think it would be a really interesting arc that shows Carl has the power to bringing people together And it would also show that family is more than just blood I would also love to see Negan help Judith get out of that behavior too
I quit watching after they killed Carl. I heard the show ended shortly after though so I decided to finish the show on Netflix. To be fair with what they had left they did an okay job, but the show was ended in the worst way imaginable. It set up 4 spin offs that nobody was asking for and I haven't even bothered to watch any of them.
Killing Carl caused that stupid ass time jump that made no sense. That was the real downfall of the show. A nonsensical time jump and adding a bunch of characters that no one cared about, so they could have a shock death or save money. Angela Kang was a bad showrunner, making Gimple's decisions even worse Then Gimple made Fear a Morgan, spinoff.
I hated Carl character honestly was so dumb as a kid and not very smartest as a teenager but his death was kinda dumb and lame for someone that killed probably countless zombies you would think he basically check for any danger from them even more trying to rescue guy...Anyway i was pretty happy that he went away
Glenn i expected from the comics and while I enjoyed his tv version more then his comic version I was actually waiting for All out War to start. Carl tho. That bullshit made me just turn off TWD and barely keep up with it because I just couldn't keep watching after they killed him off. The only connection Rick had the the old world becomes just another casualty of poor writing. Had he not been bitten by 1 zombie that could have been easily over powered by him and the other dude and Carl's death basically be for nothing I would have been fine with it. Carl going down to a horde or a single sneaky zombie from said horde protecting a kid or a small group and having that kid or group survive till the end and being seen as a hero by all for sacrificing himself for someone younger or multiple people. Could have explained the bite from Carl shooting a walker but it grazed the one he targeted and killed another taking both walkers down to the ground causing the bite because Carl's eye missing he didn't notice the crawling zombie while focusing on the horde. Show killed off THE main character of the comic for shock value. Rick was never the main character, he was the focus of the story because Carl is telling the story of Rick's life story to inform the younger generations about what life was like in the beginning of the end up to where they are because Rick is the reason for the massive community that formed from the Kingdom, Commonwealth, Alexandria and Hilltop as well as a symbol of hope and bravery against the darkness the world became. Carl the little boy who had to grow up fast, killed his "uncle" and several people either in self defense or because they were a threat. The same boy who took a assault rifle and murdered two saviors with only 1 eye earning Negan's respect and managed to make hard decisions when no one else would and made it from the start of the comic to the finish with 1 eye for most of his life. So yeah I dropped it because that was nothing more then a character assassination for some easy shock.
But why???? Why stop watching a show for one character… who wasn’t even important for the show!!!! He didn’t do anything of importance…. Judith on the other hand replaced comic Carl. Why stop watching a good show for a bad actor I don’t get it
@plaguedoctor5657 if you ever read the comics then you'd know he's probably the most important character.... spoiler, the last issue was all about him. at its core TWD was a father and son story
@@Jon7763I read the comics for years before the show and hated Carl. I wish he would’ve been piked in issue 144. Carl was not a good character in the show or comics. He was constantly annoying and jeopardizing the group. The whole pike situation in the comics is a result of his idiocy when crossing into the whisperers lands. If he wouldn’t have done that, I genuinely believe they would’ve left the groups alone.
I was never really into the show, but I did watch up until they either killed Glen or Carl. I don't remember which one happened last, but those two deaths were particularly offensive, and around then I really lost interest.
It is important to let main characters die. It fills the whole series with more fear, beacuse no one is safe and every fight could be the last. Like for Jesus.
It was hard to watch Rick mope around after he couldn't help his son pass on before he turned ..Carl having to kill himself wasn't a good look for Rick .these shows need a lot LESS DRAMA and more survival base episodes, rebuilding society ,and zombie hordes . fear screwed up letting the kid go they should've offered more $ for him to stay
They could've written Carl off and have him being taken by the CRM instead of Rick. Then they can workout all rhe behind the scenes drama, and hav him come back later
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the fact that he died the lamest way possible too is just salt in the wound
They also refused to pay him an adult salary when he turned 18.
@@fearfulclan2007 ye i heard that too
I did like tragic irony in him getting bitten by just trying to help out another survivor, but yeah…
I will never forgive them for killing him it was so stupid and done purely for shock value i stopped watching when he died
I know the death felt so out of the blue and unnecessary :(
Yea i had stoped watchin and was thinking of coming back and then this happened.
@thurmanstevenson5692 I came back years later to finish the show but it wasn't the same without him I also feel horrible for the actor he spent his whole life on that show and they fucked him over like that just to avoid paying him more
I actually lost interest when they killed Noah off.
@@magoo9279 i know what you mean i was close to losing it then
Carl was labeled and viewed as the future of TWD and when they killed him off, it really hurt the show badly. Now it’s down to Judith to be the future of TWD. Really dumb to kill off one character that can carry the show onwards.
Exactly tbf Judiths actor is very good so the franchise is in good hands fingers crossed the don’t ruin her character
I'm of the opinion that Judith should have had her comic death with Lori. Messed up yes, but it would have made Rick such a more compelling character.
@@allaninaet2835I just think it would have been too graphic to kill a new born baby that way on TV because they toned down the Governor from the comics
@@allaninaet2835the show runner kept leaving in bits and pieces and places where they could kill Judith and say “I’d be weird to bring her back now” but the executives wouldn’t let them
Wait the walking dead is still going? Only the first season was something special and I was in high school when it came out
Rick Grymes was almost irreplaceable as a protagonist. The only one, who could've taken over after writing Rick off would've been Carl, as he's Rick's legacy and got some mayor character development since the very beginning when he was still a young child.
Daryl and Carol are great side characters, but they fail horribly as protagonists, and so does most of the remaining cast.
Ther is no world in which Chandler Riggs could’ve replaced Andrew Lincoln.
@@thatgirlwearingglasses OP wasn't talking about the skill of the actors. Rather, from a thematic perspective, Carl was really the only other potential main antagonist if you want to keep to the same general arc.
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Scott Gimple just ruins everything that he’s in charge of. It’s just that simple.
For some unknown reason AMC decided to give him a promotion after he made the decision to kill Carl...It'll never make sense to me
It was Oviously The Coked Suits desesion however Gimple Cleary didn't push back and used it as a personal opportunity with is exactly what you don't want in a showrunner.
He’s the best thing that happened to TWD and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t. He made the best episodes of the whole show. Both personally and literally the highest rated episodes on IMDB.
@@BoogSReviews by using comic element's/scenes to the point of literally word for word, worst episodes when it's Gimples Original writing, trash people, hospital filler, S7B, world beyond, crm.
Just like him you used someone else's line and rewrote into something else.
Simple gimple
Although Gimple deserves a lot of blame, the truth is that AMC is as much to blame. Hell they were the ones who got rid of frank darabont, the guy who straight up got the show rolling to begin with because Frank didn’t want to financially cheap out on the show in S2.
The worst decision in the whole of the franchise. Carl was the core to the TV show and was so important in rhe original comic his perspective being critical to the epilogue. The shock value kill off was such a drastically stupid move.
I wasnt a big fan of carl in the early seasons and oddly enough when they killed him off i was starting to like his character growth. But like him or not, he was the heart of the show and ricks driving force. Killing him off was a HUGE mistake for the show.
I don't think anyone liked carl in the beginning, especially because he's kind of responsible for dales death. I know dale had to die because the actor wanted out, but I was still mad at carl xD
I was literally in the middle of binging the show for the first time and having a blast when the carl grimes death controversy happened and it oretty much killed my entire drive to continue where i was at in season 4. Never watched it again and never looked back or regretted it
You haven't missed much, Give the comic a go
Forget two shows it killed the whole franchise
Hell maibe the holl TV industrie if there were good shows like TWD(before seson 7) left peapole wode stil wach TV (sorry for my bad englishe its not my native luanguge and yes im exargereiting but stil i have a point)
Lets be fr carl was definitely one of the best. He was like his dad but also like glenn where he wouldn't just massacre people for supplies but would use diplomacy just to avoid conflict. Then again whenever they all get captured, carl is usually the one who starts blasting first
From what I've read, the main reason for Frank Dillane not wanting to continue on FTWD was that he'd just become a father and didn't want to leave his girlfriend alone with their child back in England for several months, while he was off shooting the series in the US. Maybe Gimpel coming over was another reason for it, but I'd say that it's understandable, if him choosing to put his family first was the real reason.
It was clearly Gimple rebrand from family drama to dumbed down z nation.
That’s an interesting perspective
Maybe he was thinking of moving over to the US then saw carls character killed off and realised that it could happen to him and left before he got too invested.
He was the main character with Madison, not Alicia. The show was all about him and her. He signed on for 7 seasons, you really think that's the reason?
They tried so hard to make his death sound like this greater message but it fell flat. All it did was piss people off that a badass character died in the dumbest way possible
Then they killed off Saddiq and his girlfriend 🤦😂 then killed off his replacement also 😂
It was extremely stupid as Rick and Carl where the main two, and Ricks main goal was to survive so he could keep Coral surviving, that was the main point of the show.
I wouldve loved to see a world where Nick didnt die and was running a group in fear, and Carl with the Alexandrians and all run into each other at the end maybe against the commonwealth?
Thats such a cool concept!
I heard long ago that it was rumored for fear and walking dead to merge together and every group and characters to meet up again. Including a reunion of Morgan and Rick. But it never happened. :/
When I saw that Carl had been bit, I was furious. I started thinking to myself "he's immune, he's immune, I don't know how they'll make it work but he's immune". And then he wasn't immune, they just killed the one character that should never die under no circumstances. Scott Gimple is a downright horrible person for this atrocity. I will never forgive him for this and the fact that they promoted him for it makes everything so much worse. I will never watch TWD past that point ever again.
When I saw that walker bite Carl, I was shouting at the screen because it was such a terrible scene. The Carl we knew from even just an episode or two before would not have gone down so easily. Ffs, the guy has been shot twice and even scared Negan. When he got bit, it was as if he was new to the apocalypse
The decision to kill Carl was so dumb, I just KNEW they were going to make him immune. It was the only decision that made sense after having him get bit. Once he died, I gave up on the show and didnt come back until Rick's last episode. Then left again 😂
I dont even like Rick... But felt that was the last straw too.
RIP TWD
It is so hard to find a show that does not ruin it later down the road. It was sad because The Walking Dead was an excellent show for the time.
I've said it on The Thrifty Typewriter's channel, and I'll say it here - it should have been Carl carrying Judith in TWD series finale and then donating his blood to her, bringing his story full circle. Then, at the end, he and Daryl ride off together to look for Rick - bringing the series as a whole full circle, while highlighting both Carl and Daryl's growth as characters; Daryl by not being the lone wolf and trusting someone to have his back out in the wasteland, and Carl for having grown from a little kid who needed everyone to protect him into a man who someone like Daryl trusts to be his wingman.
Scott being responsible for Carl and Nick's deaths are absolutely insane
I Love how Nick's actor quit the moment Gimple was put in charge, He Knew
I’ll never forgive Scott for what he did to TWD :(
Great video! Keep it up!
Thank you very much I can’t believe how he ruined twd universe :/
Scott gave us peak TWD. Seasons 3-7 are classic wth are you guys going on about. Chandler Riggs was a cringy actor and Judith is a way better replacement
@@plaguedoctor5657 That's mainly because Robert Kirkman was there through a lot of it until they fucked him over and he sued them too. AMC did a lot of dirty shit to the people that brought it to them. They pretty much straight up stole the show
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The fact chandler bought a house to be closer to the set shows just how much dedication and love he had for this show
They wrote off maggie TWICE, Rick, and Michonne looking for Rick, but they thought they NEEDED to kill carl for impact
It still stings that season 3 of fear is where the show really found its footing. It may have been mixed to people in the beginning but it really had something special to it. The acting and the intensity of scenes between certain characters and their dark descents was awesome.
To know it basically was cancelled and transformed into a literal zombie itself, is what hurts.
I don't know why they didn't just follow the graphic novel from start to finish. Carl & Negan both live. Rick dies but becomes a martyr and his memory a source for hope that things can not only go back to normal but be even better than before the apocalypse.
Don't forget they did the exact same thing to Frank Darabont after he basically gave birth to the show with Season 1. The casting, direction, all of it was pretty much him and they just dropped him like he was nothing. The suspicion that Chandler turning 18 being killed off because AMC didn't want to pay him adult wages falls in line with what happened with Frank when they fired him due to his wages bumping up each successful season. You'd think a massively successful TV show like The Walking Dead would make AMC enough money to not be so stingy with its' talent, but I guess corporate greed really has no limit. AMC would cut its own foot off and eat it just because it was hungry.
I feel like if they wanted to keep Negan alive so much they should of had Morgan stay in his “all life is precious” faze (even tho Morgan going savage in all out war was one of the best parts of season 8) then have Morgan get bit (but not in a dumb way like Carl) or slowly dying then he asks Rick in his dying words to keep Negan alive and put him in the cell he built because “all life is precious.” It would make Morgan’s death meaningful. It would be better than what they did with adding Morgan to Fear which didn’t really work well. Rick would listen to Morgan’s advice and the cycle of helping and keeping others alive and it would be proven to be true because how useful Negan was in Seasons 9-11 like saving Judith and helping them beat the whisperer war.
killed him off to avoid paying chandler a fair adults wage
I think they could’ve keep Carl if Morgan wasn’t gonna be planned in fear. In the comics Morgan dies which causes Rick to spare Negan.
Morgan like Carol was been completely changed into a Gimple mouth piece so they will Never die.
morgan died before the saviors in the comic when alexandria was overrun with walkers
@@mark.trujillo I meant that it inspired Rick to spare people like Morgan did
Scott M Gimble was the worst thing to happen to not just The Walking Dead but also AMC
Maybe Amc was the real problem?
I’m stopped watching at the end of season 8 too, after Carl died and hearing Rick was leaving too just killed any interest in it for me
Wow, I didn't realize this was the universal opinion of the viewers. I stopped watching after Carl died, but I had no idea everyone else did, too 😅
Carl and nick both should survived their deaths were stupid
Agreed!!!
I used to have a crush on nick-
Nick wanted to leave
Imagine if Carl died when he got shot in the eye by Ron, much better death than what he got
he was killd off because he turned 18 and they'd have to pay him more money
Amc = Cheap Cheap and more Cheap
I thought they fired him because he was going to college on the side?
@@MASTEROFEVIL he bought a house near set to do both after agreeing to 3 more years, qyiting for school was a lie Amc's pr team was spreading to make themselves not look like total dicks
The actor himself self did actually also wanted to go to college
@@MASTEROFEVIL i don't get what would be the problem if he was going to college on the side? they filmed the entire show with him going to school on the side so what the issue?
“Since they didn’t like me killing off the second main character on the main show what if I kill off the main character on the second show” - Scott gimple
Carl was on of my favourite characters. The way they killed him off was awful. It was like he suddenly forgot how to deal with walkers
Thats how walkers worked from like season 3 onwards, They were completely harmless non threat unless in a herd or someone needs to die. Than you get Ninja zombies out of nowhere.
@@hooobbit6776 I don't recall anyone else dying of a sudden and severe case of stupid
them killing carl is like if twdg killed off clementine
Exactly like what the hell
Still haven’t finished the show because of his death, plus Rick left the show also. I still don’t plan to go back to finish it thank goodness the comics exist.
I wasn't a fan of Carl's and even I didn't like the decision to kill him. Very, very stupid decision.
Not only did they kill one of the best characters. The only logical reason they could find was that it was for Ricks further development. But he stagnated and a Season later he left the show too. And what did we get in return. Carl saved Siddiq who brought absolutely zero value to the show and just died some time later.
They already knew Andrew wanted to leave too,
Letting Negan live was the dumbest, most senseless and out-of-place plot twist I've ever seen in a TV show. Yes, I'm aware he lives in the comic series, no, I don't care. The way the show was framed & the way the plot points were adding up, Negan should have been the one to die, PERIOD. I don't know how or why the writers suddenly decided to turn Rick and company from a cadre of tough and gritty survivors to a bunch of simpering, ball-less pacifists, but it was a stupid decision and they should be ashamed of themselves.
It's not like they cared about comic continuity since they killed off Carl in the show and he didn't die in the comics
Did you pay attention at all? If they killed Negan all the other saviors wouldn’t stand down. Making Negan a martyr for savior moral support smh
Cuz Jeffery dean Morgan is an amazing actor. If someone else played negan it would have been a lot easier to off him haha
@@plaguedoctor5657 Did you pay attention at all? His people weren’t that loyal to him, there was an internal power struggle between the leaders, he basically had slaves running most of the safe houses. Most of his people were just doing what they had to in order to survive, as soon as Negan died they would’ve kept doing what they had to to survive. Sure there would be rouge groups who carried on his ideals, but that happens in the show anyways. Nothing major would’ve changed if he died outside of his redemption.
so many things would not have happened if he died, the reason he lived was cause carl said it would be best, judith would have never been saved in the winter, alpha would prob have never been killed off the way she was
I have never lived this one down. To me, the show was always about Rick proving Shane wrong. Shane said he couldn't keep his family safe, and in the end he was right. FFFFFFUCK YOU! Lori dying of childbirth is one thing, but Carl dying because Rick wasn't keeping his eye on him just undermines so much of the soul of this story for me. Instead of all these fuckass spin off shows, they could've just killed off Rick in season 9 and had Carl take over the mantle in his place.
fatigue for this show started to kick in around season 5 and 6. I held on just thinking to myself "we didnt come this far, just to come this far, I can't wait to see how they handle Ricks death and pass the torch on to Carl". Nope, as an audience we just kept getting punched in the face. Gimple must get pleasure out of it
Without nick fear the walking dead wasn’t as enjoyable, the guy was a dark horse that shined"
cool video, never knew that gimple was so horrible at his job. Love how AMC promoted him but fired frank darabont who made arguably the best seasons of the walking dead lol.
It would be great to see Carl fighting the whisperers and then going to Philadelphia to search for his father along with michone
Carla death was the point that all the comic readers stopped caring if not stop watching
I didn't care at all for Carl, I could watch 5 episodes in a row and not notice that he hadn't featured. But you simply CANNOT kill him! He is Rick's heart and without him there is no reason to go on.
I'm heartbroken and I don't know if I'll be able to continue with the rest of thee show. I cried like my own family died even hours after it had happened.
Worst decision ever and I thought what they did to Andrea was bad
riggs wasnt a good enough actor to carry the show on his own. but they should have kept carl alive and recast him after the time skip imo.
I dont mind character deaths in shows, but Carl was more than just an important character; he was a symbol. He was the symbol of a new beginning and a hope for the new world. When you take away something like that, it robs the whole show.
Carls Death was the last episode i watched. As it happened, i was so mad as it just seemed so abrupt and weird and so "why?". Prior to it, they really were focused on Carl and making it seem like he really was going to take over and be the main guy that would lead the group having a huge role moving froward. All his skills were coming along, he started leading, being independent, got a gf and then all of a sudden out of knowhere hes gone. I remember being so mad at this, that i just didnt even watch another episode ever again.
Man I hated the idea that Carl died especially when I was a kid growing up along side the show that it angers me to this day thinking how Chandler Riggs Could’ve made a big difference being in the show and how the story could’ve been different overall bc after he died and Rick and Mochonne were looking for supplies it just felt like there was no hope in the atmosphere of the show. 😢
Gimple: I killed Carl so Rick has a reason to spare Negan
Kirkman: Rick spares Negan cause he's not a fucking idiot
I mean even negan killing Carl for not liking his spaghetti woulda been a better death.
I think they should have used Simon to hurt Carl and then Negan go after Simon and teaming up with Rick the Prick to get Simon. It could have been Negans arc. Carl could have recovered over time but had it kill a young friend like Enid maybe.
i laughed at his death because how bad it was written. He died for a character that didnt even do anything in the show
The thing is if Judith had died like she was supposed to Carl might’ve been spared.
its like halfway through the Cell saga in DBZ, Cell just kills Gohan because 'Reasons' and Goku just shrugs and beats Cells ass
The comics end was Carl telling the entire story of his father. Without Carl, the story had no point. It was his story.
All the producers had to do is write a story where Carl is kidnapped and Rick sets out to find him which would've explained both of their absence from the show. Later on they could've introduced the CRM as the reason for the kidnapping. Later on Carl could've been recast as an older person.
Honestly, Carl and Glenn were the two hearts of the show. You can kill one but you can't kill both. Once Glenn was gone, there was no show without Carl. Negan staying alive after all he did was ridiculous from any angle. He couldn't replace one of them, let alone both. Love the actor, great villain character, but Negan's one hell of a weak leg to stand a show on.
I completely agree with your analysis. Carl was the character I eventually cared most about. Him being gone drained all my will to care, and you really showed why. He went from a typical kid who annoyed at times, to a protagonist-worthy person as his character deepened over time. They failed to be faithful to the comics, their actor, and their audience all at once.
And this was all because the actor playing Carl Grimes turned 18 and they didn't want to negotiate a new contract where they would have to pay him as an adult. It was purely for greed and was one of them worst choices they have ever made in the story. They could have used Carl for one of the many spinoffs, allowing Rick to hand off the reins to Carl. What's crazy, is Carle being killed of was one of Andrew Lincoln's reasons for leaving the show when he did.
For me, TWD died with the episode where Negan brains Glenn and Abraham, and FTWD was dead after the first scene of the first episode.
I always thought the actor that played Carl wanted to leave the show. Wow now i have no idea why they thought it was a good idea to kill Carl.
I actually really liked FTWD but dropped it after the gimple switch, I got back when they brought on OUAT showrunners onto the show, but it was too late for me to get back. The tone and more intimate cast of characters was far better balanced, they didnt have the same problem with the main shows where because of episode mandates they had to have several isolated filler episodes throughout a season to make up for the mandate, so the pacing was much more consistent and they introduced nice concepts and a beautiful setting every season. then gimple got on and it just made the show TWD lite. filler episodes every other week, ugly grey setting, dismantling and discarding the characters that we've already gotten attached to and inserting a character nobody wanted cause even on the main he was getting on people's nerves. They probably would've done better moving someone like the Garbriel or a Dwight and develop them there, or Abraham and his crew with Eugene and Rosita since its a flashback.
I definitely stopped watching show after Carl’s death. What a shame. I consider this decision as one of the worst ever made.
They should've stayed true to the comics in the later seasons
They could've just had him do what they did with Morgan and have him live on his own - maybe he ran away with Enid or something and they lived together off screen for years only to eventually come back at a later time.
Y'all got it wrong. it's not Carl, it's Coral!
Cœrl
Man that was some good editing
Thank you so much!
I remember tearing my room up soon as i seen his bite. Then they "got rid" of scott by promoting him. I was done after that. Seasons 9 and 10 were good, but didnt hit the same after all the bs
Casuals Left when they got rid of Glenn. Real ones left when they got rid of CORRRAL! IyKYK.
i want a carl spinoff idc if its non cannon
Carl is the narrator of the Graphic Novels. When you depart cannon that far? I am done.
Did Scott even read the comics to say such a dumb reasoning
Carl's death killed the series after that the show was really a walking dead
The beginning made me think, "you is smart, you is kind, you is important" 😅😅😅
"you are going to beat this world, you are smart, you are strong and you are so brave"
-i quit
XDDDDD
They should do a TWD “What if” series that focuses on Carl and Sophia set 15 years after the apocalypse started. Maybe incorporate comic characters that weren’t included in the main show or reimagined because they only got bit parts
I wish chandler was in more stuff he's become like nostalgic to me back when TWD was at its peak
Season 7 and 8 of fear is some of the worst seasons of tv EVER
Carl should at least have gotten him some Enid before he died....
Hahahahah 😭😭😭
Carl not getting himself some Enid makes his death even worse lol 😭
Bruh
honestly they killed the one character that had plenty of story and room to grow but kept characters who's stories should've ended ages ago.
I love how you say the quiet parts out loud that the true fans have been saying for YEARS!! Keep up the peak content I love it
Thank you so much for you continued support it means the world!
I need more nick videos ASAP
@@JesusLopez-cg2gq hahaha, I’ll keep them coming I’m going to start doing some travel vlogs as well is this something you’d be interested in?
I really wish they kept Carl alive & had him look over Judith but as Judith grows she loses someone she loves & shows signs of Shane behaviour (Stay with me here)
And her & Carl basically have some sibling rivalry & fight on some occasions but in a parallel scene of Rick & Shane in the farm field they come together as a family rather than fighting eachother
If they did this with Carl & Judith as characters I think it would be a really interesting arc that shows Carl has the power to bringing people together
And it would also show that family is more than just blood
I would also love to see Negan help Judith get out of that behavior too
I quit watching after they killed Carl. I heard the show ended shortly after though so I decided to finish the show on Netflix. To be fair with what they had left they did an okay job, but the show was ended in the worst way imaginable. It set up 4 spin offs that nobody was asking for and I haven't even bothered to watch any of them.
Killing Carl caused that stupid ass time jump that made no sense.
That was the real downfall of the show. A nonsensical time jump and adding a bunch of characters that no one cared about, so they could have a shock death or save money. Angela Kang was a bad showrunner, making Gimple's decisions even worse
Then Gimple made Fear a Morgan, spinoff.
He only died because Rick wasn't there for him Lori only God because Rick wasn't there for her. Shane was right
He was truly the soul of TWD.
I hated Carl character honestly was so dumb as a kid and not very smartest as a teenager but his death was kinda dumb and lame for someone that killed probably countless zombies you would think he basically check for any danger from them even more trying to rescue guy...Anyway i was pretty happy that he went away
I was able to forgive them for Glenn, but not Carl. They killed the shows future with that one death. Tragic.
Glenn i expected from the comics and while I enjoyed his tv version more then his comic version I was actually waiting for All out War to start.
Carl tho. That bullshit made me just turn off TWD and barely keep up with it because I just couldn't keep watching after they killed him off. The only connection Rick had the the old world becomes just another casualty of poor writing. Had he not been bitten by 1 zombie that could have been easily over powered by him and the other dude and Carl's death basically be for nothing I would have been fine with it. Carl going down to a horde or a single sneaky zombie from said horde protecting a kid or a small group and having that kid or group survive till the end and being seen as a hero by all for sacrificing himself for someone younger or multiple people. Could have explained the bite from Carl shooting a walker but it grazed the one he targeted and killed another taking both walkers down to the ground causing the bite because Carl's eye missing he didn't notice the crawling zombie while focusing on the horde.
Show killed off THE main character of the comic for shock value. Rick was never the main character, he was the focus of the story because Carl is telling the story of Rick's life story to inform the younger generations about what life was like in the beginning of the end up to where they are because Rick is the reason for the massive community that formed from the Kingdom, Commonwealth, Alexandria and Hilltop as well as a symbol of hope and bravery against the darkness the world became.
Carl the little boy who had to grow up fast, killed his "uncle" and several people either in self defense or because they were a threat. The same boy who took a assault rifle and murdered two saviors with only 1 eye earning Negan's respect and managed to make hard decisions when no one else would and made it from the start of the comic to the finish with 1 eye for most of his life. So yeah I dropped it because that was nothing more then a character assassination for some easy shock.
well, can't say i agree with everything in this video, but the episode they revealed he was bitten was the last episode that i watched.
But why???? Why stop watching a show for one character… who wasn’t even important for the show!!!! He didn’t do anything of importance…. Judith on the other hand replaced comic Carl. Why stop watching a good show for a bad actor I don’t get it
@plaguedoctor5657 if you ever read the comics then you'd know he's probably the most important character.... spoiler, the last issue was all about him. at its core TWD was a father and son story
@@plaguedoctor5657 so on the Harry Potter reboot if they randomly kill Harry in Golbet of Fire I should keep watching just cause? Fuck that
@@Jon7763I read the comics for years before the show and hated Carl. I wish he would’ve been piked in issue 144. Carl was not a good character in the show or comics. He was constantly annoying and jeopardizing the group. The whole pike situation in the comics is a result of his idiocy when crossing into the whisperers lands. If he wouldn’t have done that, I genuinely believe they would’ve left the groups alone.
I was never really into the show, but I did watch up until they either killed Glen or Carl. I don't remember which one happened last, but those two deaths were particularly offensive, and around then I really lost interest.
I wish frank darabont never left, I'd pay to see the scripts he wrote for s3 and s4...
Just started the show last week lmaooo… love casually getting spoiled scrolling on yt😭😭😭 gotta appreciate Carl for as long as possible now
It is important to let main characters die. It fills the whole series with more fear, beacuse no one is safe and every fight could be the last. Like for Jesus.
We could’ve have a show called “Carl the Brave”
It was hard to watch Rick mope around after he couldn't help his son pass on before he turned ..Carl having to kill himself wasn't a good look for Rick .these shows need a lot LESS DRAMA and more survival base episodes, rebuilding society ,and zombie hordes . fear screwed up letting the kid go they should've offered more $ for him to stay
They could've written Carl off and have him being taken by the CRM instead of Rick. Then they can workout all rhe behind the scenes drama, and hav him come back later