This, it‘s all about the transient response, lots of speakers do midrange, you could even use a bandpass and they still wouldn‘t come close. That‘s why a weak amp isn‘t sufficient to cook them up, go at least double the wattage. I recomment the time alignment rings as well.
He’s 100% right, the magic is in the midrange. I recently started mixing on my old tv that has built in speakers which are very midrangey with little lows and little highs and I’ve noticed what I mix translates much better than when I was using my headphones.
Love the NS10's for the midrange emphasize but have also gotten great results with the HS80M series which translate well across different media. I know the manufacturer states not to lay those monitors on their sides due to frequency and stereo smearing but the clarity the HS80 has given me since putting them horizontally on the speakers stands is astonishing. No stereo phasing issues whatsoever
I like all the counterpoints in the comments here. I currently mix on JBL 308P's, and a 10" KRK subwoofer. The sub isn't blaring, it just fills the bottom end and gives some headroom to the JBL's. I'm not a master engineer, I'm 23 and fresh out of college. But I get dang good mixes that translate well simply because I'm used to the way my speakers sound, and because I ALWAYS have Spotify up with a few reference tracks on my third monitor. I also think that focusing on midrange is very genre dependent. Yes, for Metal, Rock, Gospel, etc, you want to focus on midrange. But for EDM, Pop, Pop-Country, Rap, Hip-Hop, etc, you really need to be able to hear what's going on in the sub-80hz range, because a lot of the energy of those genres live down there.
Use a more full range speaker, & then adjust your low end, after setting your mid-range correct on NS-10's. I won't mix without my NS-10's ! Nice Vid HMS, you're right !
All the musicality and cohesiveness is still in the midrange. The human ear is the most sensitive to that frequency range. I get what you're saying but even hip-hop engineers partly mix on NS 10s and for that exact reason.
I think it really depends on the engineer. You can get a hard-hitting mix on headphones and sounds great everywhere. Adam "Nolly" Getgood did that when he still toured with Periphery. I mix on JBL LSR305, Logitech Z333 which are cheap computer speakers, and Sennheiser HD650. Due to my living situation, it's hard to put up acoustic treatment, but I still make it work without it. I use Sonarworks to help the speakers and headphones, and everything translates well without me doing a car test. I haven't had a complaint about my mixing. For the most part, it's just a slight volume balance. Regardless of what gear you use to mix, just understand how it's supposed to sound on your speakers or headphones by using reference tracks and practice a lot until you understand your system. Eventually, you don't have to rely on reference tracks.
i think they work really well for someone (like me lol) who may have been focusing too much on HI's n LOWs... they are also SOOOOOO much better for getting the low mids right. if you're doing well now... i bet you'd be even better with the ns10's... or the headphone/sennheiser/sonicworks thing i have going on.
If you don't have NS10's make your speakers sound like NS 10's .....put an eq on the master bus do a cut at 200 and cut at 4k then start mixing :D (it works for me )
Mix at a real low volume on the NS-10's & they will perform better for you. I been using them for 25 + years ! If you get your mixes sounding great on NS-10's at a low volume, the mixes will sound great anywhere ! Ask Bob Clearmountain.
find a pair of ns10 in good condition is very hard today. what would be the closest option to that kind of sound? i dont think cla10 sounds similar. maybe hs5 ?
dont go with HS5 i tried them. It's really not the sound of ns10 !! the ns10 have a bump around 2,5kHz .... the HS5 has a big bump around 1kHz. It's really not the same sound .......
i use sennheiser hd600's w/sonarworks. they have a "ns11" preset that obviously is a ns10 emulation. literally the most drastic improvement to my mixing in years. wow. DON'T SLEEP ON THIS IF YOU ARE DEDICATED TO PRODUCING AND MIXING. ns10's, LEVEL BALANCE, eq and compression basics are what the real pro's are doing better than you. obv w/ or w/o ns10's, but if you aren't getting pro level mixes going... get them or something like them... use them to reference great mixes. when you are able to get your mixes closer to those ref's... you will be AMAZED at how awesome your track will translate. also... if you are spending a ton of time on 1 or 2 things like guitar tone... that is called production... if you can't get an INCREDIBLE tone, you probably needed to do something different in production... or at least that is the time to do tone creation for hours. if you're at the mixing stage... commit... move around to all of the tracks... ref and balance the mix with the ns10's... your mix will crush and you'll create a better guitar tone or snare(lol) next time...
Hello Jordan. My Yamaha HS8 has a linear response after 1k. Is it possible to compensate this characteristic by equalization to obtain the same effect as in ns10? Thank you for your answer.
Hey bro.. based on your assessment of why they work, do you think having a master track on your DAW with the highs and lows cut while mixing and mastering would be similar?
Part of the ns10s' magic is the transient response. A filter on the master can help you focus in on the mids the way and ns10 would, but the closed back design of the ns10s is part of what makes them so "honest" and why you have to work to make things sound good on them. They really lack depth and that forces you to make good decisions. Consider grabbing an avantone mix cube for a similar result. The full range speaker design is intended to help with translation on small speaker systems
how low one should bother mixing on NS10's. Well, i wanted base to sound ideal on these, but was not sure till which point i should bother monitoring below 100hz on NS10s? I wanted to switch to sub, but then the low end on NS10's gets totally lost if not mixed well without a sub. Any ideas?
I have a theory for that …. The mids are emphasized…. Normal (Consumer) speakers use a c „bathtub“ Shape 🎉 so the mids are lowered Bass and highs are upfront and thats the magic behind Everything …. But this is only my theory… because u mix the mids well Everything will Sound better later on consumer Hardware
I bought JBL LSR308's for studio monitors, now i'm not going to go buy new ones, but your advice is spot on. I always burn songs to a disc, and play them through my old crappy SONY boom box with 4" speakers, and bass booster. To double check, and see where I need to focus more in my mix, so that I know that even in cheap-low budget systems the overall mix still sounds good, Thanks!!!!!
Iv'e been mixing music for about 10 years now and this is gonna sound ridiculous, but I have been using Behringer 50USB's.. 150 bucks and it has a great, natural flat sound. My kids think that I am their personal bank account so this is all I can afford but I think the Behringers are fantastic! I would really love to own a pair of the NS10's though.. lol
Look for a pair NS615 the price is not that hyped like the NS10's but they are prety rare to find. They are the same speakers. Only the 615 was made to stand vertical tweeter wise 👍
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I have a question. What’s your opinion about adding a sub woofer to your system? If you never will do that, why?
In my opinion the best way is following: For producing just take your favorite Hifi System (with or without Sub, whatever you like and sounds pleasant to your ears). For critical and final mixing decisions you use something like the Yamahas or Neumanns (without sub). And for finally checking your bass you can use good headphones and back and forth checking between different systems (and the key here is referencing - just put on a track you want to compare your bass with and whatever system you play it on, the bass should match)
I have a set of Sansui J33’s that sound extremely close to my Yamaha NS-10 M’s They even have the white paper cones with the seam and are manufactured in the late 70’s just like the original Yamahas !! I use them with my secondary set up /studio B and you can find a set on eBay for like 75 to 100 bucks 👍
Would a Hi-Fi amp downgrade so much the sound of NS10's considering the purpose of mixing and/or checking mixes on them? And are there any safety recommendations to considering when having a powerful amp in your home studio? Thanks.
I bought Germano Studios by Waves,hey have inside NS10 simulation with headphone eq curve,since then my mixes sound perfect in my car,i never thought that this will be possible...i imagine if i would buy someday NS10 for real.. .only positive things.
My only gripe is that nowadays most cars come with a subwoofer, and even little Alexa and Echo speakers have pretty great sound quality. They might've made more sense back in 2003 when personal speaker systems and computer systems sounded like trash, but we're in a different world now. They're still great for midrange but I opt to use a second set of speakers and my car to check the bass and high frequency stuff
Just because more systems are better quality now, doesn't change the fact that the majority of musical information, and the area our ears are most sensitive to, is the midrange.
I mix on Kali LP6. They’re great. Just wondering why the NS10 is infamous. Just trying to get to the bottom of it. Also why is your distressor upside down??
This theory has been going on for years. It seems all of the pro mixing environments share the belief that the frequency response of NS10s allows a good final mix as well as a bench mark listening measurement. However it is all relative surely - once you understand how ANY monitors frequency response translates the final mix and what it means to all frequencies actual transparent translation ...there is no issue...all dependant on ones understanding of the tools one is using 🥳🥳🤔
It does the opposite, it makes you figure out where the bottom is most powerful and useful so those elements still translate on limited playback systems like a phone speaker. The car test should be replaced by the phone test as far as I'm concerned. If it's all there off the phone speaker it should play back on anything pretty well
Just bought a pair of NS-10 STUDIO's -- near mint condition -- on Ebay for $225. Listening to them right now. I did a room test with Sonarworks software in my room which is pretty well treated. At about 100k these drop off a cliff. But, I've got a sub woofer that kicks in at 80k so I"m good. I've ordered some replacement speakers from North Bold Audio. They claim to have copied exactly the original NS-10 speakers. Have lots of testing data on their website. Pricey though. $340 a pair shipped. I'll post a follow up when I put them in. To my ears the original 30 yr old speakers just sounded a bit dull.
the whole point of them is that they dont have any sub frequencies - make syou make sure there will be enough bass on the average crappy home speaker which wont have any sub either
They have been around for a few decades now and off course people know them in and out nothing special about them every speaker has its character you just have to spend time understanding it and with so many speakers on a market it impossible as a consumer to stay on one for decades
@@mdhssounds I still mix my sub to the low mids but I have noticed a almost immediately better translation when mixing this way. The best part is its literally a button click away from full range👍
@@mdhssounds also I mix almost predominately hip hop and bass heavy music so this is just something I do to check what laptops and and cell phones are hearing.
@@hardcoremusicstudio At least that leaves you the option to see what's going on in the neighboring lane 😊 Anyways, I can agree that it's crucial to know the strengths and limitations of your monitoring system
No it's not.... it's like saying "I have practiced driving looking through a little hole so I know how to design a car for people that can only see through a tiny hole". Also these speaker are a accident at this translation... they were never meant for this which means the company made speakers that would emulate all the bad things any speaker would do if a mix wasn't right. What using a high end speaker does would be like saying "I drive a car that drives for me so I'm the worlds best driver". Although I couldn't use just these myself, although I'm not doing basic mixes and masters. These are are for the "mixing" stage not the creation or editing stage. You have to get those stages right before mixing, you'll need more detail to do this. The mixing stage is about translation and then mastering is about making it as loud as you can without losing any dynamics or quality, again so it translates. Expensive high watt systems don't need music to be mastered, there a volume knob there for that. These are about a need in the industry, not about being something that blows minds. You'll need something detailed so you can hear the small sounds you don't want to clean up the mix, but you'll need something like this. These are there only as a "worst case" scenario monitor. If your mix isn't good then it won't sound good. Where as other speakers can make bad mixes sound good. Now, if you play your music on your own stuff then it is fine... But mixing and mastering is about getting your sound to be heard properly everywhere. Other wise you don't need mixing and mastering, although if you're making music I would assume you're trying to make money which means broadening your client base to anyone. With these speakers, if the mix is bad... you'll be able to listen to them for about 10 minuets before you get ear fatigue.... if it's good then you should last hours. Mix cubes are designed in this same way... but should never be main monitors. Their there to show if your mix is expecting to much from all the speakers. Plus again... "in the mix stage"... If someone has to edit in the mix stage then for that moment they are editing not mixing. So really the statement is: "IT IS LIKE DRIVING A REALLY BAD CAR THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO DRIVE WELL AND THEN WHEN YOU DRIVE A WELL DESIGNED CAR YOU'LL DRIVE IT LIKE A PRO". Although, more than anything, it's about what you're used to... but then if you could "play" a driving technique you'll want to test it on bad cars before you let someone "play" your driving technique. Just saying
its more like saying most people can only see through a tiny hole so I'm going to make sure that there are enough interesting things happening within that tiny hole. Sure - make sure theres plenty for those with a wider view too... or something
Have to disagree. This is another recording myth that has gone on for way too long. They are just bad speakers, that is it. Any decent quality monitor can give you just as good results once you are used to them and your room. Doesn't matter what kind of room or speakers either.
Yet every well mixed record sounds fantastic on the NS10s. They are truthful to the sound, so when something sounds bad on them it's really not monitor's fault.
I mix with Focal Alphas in a treated studio, in the past I mixed with headphones and I never felt my mixes bad or weak on the car.. I don't really get why people pay so much attention to this topic. If you're good and you are used to your speakers and environment, I don't think there's any problem
One of my tutors who built multiple BBC studios in the uk, said that they are the *expletive* reference! They’re to check what a mix will sound like on the average home sound system!
..bullshit. ns10 have some features other speakers dont have like super fast bass transients due to closed box desing (time stamping on bass reflex monitor could be double or more....), they have very low total harmonic distortion, great stereo image and mid range super clarity. they are a godsent, a truly magical tool...there are few other alternatives to ns10, like unity audio stuff or rasch audio... they are not pleasant to listening, they are a tool like a medical monitor, or a measurement mic, like or not that's not the point, get one two or three pair of those.
@@kyma1999x I agree, I mix with NS-10's at a very low volume in mono, then compare with the Far field Tannoy's. Always sounds great. make them sound good & it will sound good anywhere. ;)
This ain't it chief. Everything related to translation of your music in a unknown environment depends on you referencing other mixes which have already struck the balance just right. There is no headphone or monitors in this equation.
I agree with what you're saying, check out my other video on "Why the Car Test Works." However I have to say that after years mixing on one pair of monitors in the same space, then getting NS10's, my mixes translated better almost instantly. I also find that NS10's sound the same in any room I've been in, which always provides a good reference when working in other studios.
It's not just the midrange, these speakers have the fastest transient response I've ever heard. it's the best benefit for listening to kicks and bass.
This, it‘s all about the transient response, lots of speakers do midrange, you could even use a bandpass and they still wouldn‘t come close.
That‘s why a weak amp isn‘t sufficient to cook them up, go at least double the wattage.
I recomment the time alignment rings as well.
He’s 100% right, the magic is in the midrange. I recently started mixing on my old tv that has built in speakers which are very midrangey with little lows and little highs and I’ve noticed what I mix translates much better than when I was using my headphones.
And ❤ to the NS10s. Working really well for snare and vocal balances for me.
Love the NS10's for the midrange emphasize but have also gotten great results with the HS80M series which translate well across different media.
I know the manufacturer states not to lay those monitors on their sides due to frequency and stereo smearing but the clarity the HS80 has given me since putting them horizontally on the speakers stands is astonishing. No stereo phasing issues whatsoever
All speakers with crossovers have phasing issues
They translate really well cuz they also have really good transient response.
My lecturer at University told me to buy the Studiospares SN10 as they were a cheaper version of these. I really want to hear these bad boys.
I've got the sn10s, I find them quite similar but not the same. They still give you what your looking for from them :)
I like all the counterpoints in the comments here. I currently mix on JBL 308P's, and a 10" KRK subwoofer. The sub isn't blaring, it just fills the bottom end and gives some headroom to the JBL's. I'm not a master engineer, I'm 23 and fresh out of college. But I get dang good mixes that translate well simply because I'm used to the way my speakers sound, and because I ALWAYS have Spotify up with a few reference tracks on my third monitor. I also think that focusing on midrange is very genre dependent. Yes, for Metal, Rock, Gospel, etc, you want to focus on midrange. But for EDM, Pop, Pop-Country, Rap, Hip-Hop, etc, you really need to be able to hear what's going on in the sub-80hz range, because a lot of the energy of those genres live down there.
Use a more full range speaker, & then adjust your low end, after setting your mid-range correct on NS-10's. I won't mix without my NS-10's ! Nice Vid HMS, you're right !
All the musicality and cohesiveness is still in the midrange. The human ear is the most sensitive to that frequency range. I get what you're saying but even hip-hop engineers partly mix on NS 10s and for that exact reason.
Who the hell would dislike this video? Totally agree on the NS10s!
I think it really depends on the engineer. You can get a hard-hitting mix on headphones and sounds great everywhere. Adam "Nolly" Getgood did that when he still toured with Periphery. I mix on JBL LSR305, Logitech Z333 which are cheap computer speakers, and Sennheiser HD650. Due to my living situation, it's hard to put up acoustic treatment, but I still make it work without it. I use Sonarworks to help the speakers and headphones, and everything translates well without me doing a car test. I haven't had a complaint about my mixing. For the most part, it's just a slight volume balance. Regardless of what gear you use to mix, just understand how it's supposed to sound on your speakers or headphones by using reference tracks and practice a lot until you understand your system. Eventually, you don't have to rely on reference tracks.
i think they work really well for someone (like me lol) who may have been focusing too much on HI's n LOWs... they are also SOOOOOO much better for getting the low mids right. if you're doing well now... i bet you'd be even better with the ns10's... or the headphone/sennheiser/sonicworks thing i have going on.
If you don't have NS10's make your speakers sound like NS 10's .....put an eq on the master bus do a cut at 200 and cut at 4k then start mixing :D (it works for me )
Mix at a real low volume on the NS-10's & they will perform better for you. I been using them for 25 + years ! If you get your mixes sounding great on NS-10's at a low volume, the mixes will sound great anywhere ! Ask Bob Clearmountain.
you can work the bass line on them ?
The Yamaha NS10 was an accidental inverse of the ISO 226 equal-loudness contours curves and the Fletcher Munson curves
find a pair of ns10 in good condition is very hard today. what would be the closest option to that kind of sound? i dont think cla10 sounds similar. maybe hs5 ?
dont go with HS5 i tried them. It's really not the sound of ns10 !! the ns10 have a bump around 2,5kHz .... the HS5 has a big bump around 1kHz. It's really not the same sound .......
If it sounds good on ns10s , it sounds good anywhere, period
and for the bass under 100Hz ? I work on dance songs and maybe I will go with ns10 ......
Bryston amp should I get one for the NS10s or?
i use sennheiser hd600's w/sonarworks. they have a "ns11" preset that obviously is a ns10 emulation. literally the most drastic improvement to my mixing in years. wow. DON'T SLEEP ON THIS IF YOU ARE DEDICATED TO PRODUCING AND MIXING. ns10's, LEVEL BALANCE, eq and compression basics are what the real pro's are doing better than you. obv w/ or w/o ns10's, but if you aren't getting pro level mixes going... get them or something like them... use them to reference great mixes. when you are able to get your mixes closer to those ref's... you will be AMAZED at how awesome your track will translate. also... if you are spending a ton of time on 1 or 2 things like guitar tone... that is called production... if you can't get an INCREDIBLE tone, you probably needed to do something different in production... or at least that is the time to do tone creation for hours. if you're at the mixing stage... commit... move around to all of the tracks... ref and balance the mix with the ns10's... your mix will crush and you'll create a better guitar tone or snare(lol) next time...
Hello Jordan. My Yamaha HS8 has a linear response after 1k. Is it possible to compensate this characteristic by equalization to obtain the same effect as in ns10? Thank you for your answer.
would slapping a band pass on my masterbus before i start mixing work?
Hey bro.. based on your assessment of why they work, do you think having a master track on your DAW with the highs and lows cut while mixing and mastering would be similar?
super interesting, would love to know if anyone has tried this
Part of the ns10s' magic is the transient response. A filter on the master can help you focus in on the mids the way and ns10 would, but the closed back design of the ns10s is part of what makes them so "honest" and why you have to work to make things sound good on them. They really lack depth and that forces you to make good decisions.
Consider grabbing an avantone mix cube for a similar result. The full range speaker design is intended to help with translation on small speaker systems
@@luc.musicproducer right on
Gave NS10's a listen the other week. Loved them at first listen. Looking for a pair now.
if youre still looking, i have a pair im ready to let go of. hit my email at hendersonjasonlee@gmail.com with an offer or questions if interested
Nullll1111 did you get them?
@Wade Williams Yes. They're in front of me right now.
If i was to buy ns10s again.. should i do the ns10 hack eq in master channel with 4k and up cut down and the 250hz and lower cut down or?
how low one should bother mixing on NS10's. Well, i wanted base to sound ideal on these, but was not sure till which point i should bother monitoring below 100hz on NS10s? I wanted to switch to sub, but then the low end on NS10's gets totally lost if not mixed well without a sub. Any ideas?
To what are you connecting them
Great. I use YAMAHA MSP7. The MSP series are almoust powered NS10 :) It seem that they are the last project from the same creator of NS10
Because of everybody's bitches about the NS-10's.....No low end !!! They don't lie !
I did that trick months ago. It helped me
I have a theory for that …. The mids are emphasized…. Normal (Consumer) speakers use a c „bathtub“ Shape 🎉 so the mids are lowered Bass and highs are upfront and thats the magic behind Everything …. But this is only my theory… because u mix the mids well Everything will Sound better later on consumer Hardware
What amp do you use for NS-10M?
I bought JBL LSR308's for studio monitors, now i'm not going to go buy new ones, but your advice is spot on. I always burn songs to a disc, and play them through my old crappy SONY boom box with 4" speakers, and bass booster. To double check, and see where I need to focus more in my mix, so that I know that even in cheap-low budget systems the overall mix still sounds good, Thanks!!!!!
That's an expensive way my friend burning cd's for reference,but i guess its a good test because cd's dont lie 👍
if i were to invest in a pair of these what would i need to get in terms of an amplifier?
Iv'e been mixing music for about 10 years now and this is gonna sound ridiculous, but I have been using Behringer 50USB's.. 150 bucks and it has a great, natural flat sound. My kids think that I am their personal bank account so this is all I can afford but I think the Behringers are fantastic! I would really love to own a pair of the NS10's though.. lol
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, my goodness!!!!
Look for a pair NS615 the price is not that hyped like the NS10's but they are prety rare to find. They are the same speakers. Only the 615 was made to stand vertical tweeter wise 👍
I have a question. What’s your opinion about adding a sub woofer to your system? If you never will do that, why?
In my opinion the best way is following: For producing just take your favorite Hifi System (with or without Sub, whatever you like and sounds pleasant to your ears). For critical and final mixing decisions you use something like the Yamahas or Neumanns (without sub). And for finally checking your bass you can use good headphones and back and forth checking between different systems (and the key here is referencing - just put on a track you want to compare your bass with and whatever system you play it on, the bass should match)
I have a set of Sansui J33’s that sound extremely close to my Yamaha NS-10 M’s They even have the white paper cones with the seam and are manufactured in the late 70’s just like the original Yamahas !! I use them with my secondary set up /studio B and you can find a set on eBay for like 75 to 100 bucks 👍
Aren't the feq response of the NS10 60 to 20 ?
Why only go down to 200 to 100 ?
Jordan...are your NS10's stock...?
Would a Hi-Fi amp downgrade so much the sound of NS10's considering the purpose of mixing and/or checking mixes on them? And are there any safety recommendations to considering when having a powerful amp in your home studio? Thanks.
Hi I have NS10 MT, and I'm confuse which would be better position, lying flat or standing position?? Thank you ahead.
I put a low cut and high cut on my master that I turn on and off as I mix to emulate this the best I can
What model do you have ?
I love my Kali LP-6. 😍
Benevolent Mutation Studios Kali LP6 all day! I’ve learned my Kali’s and I don’t need anything else!
Benevolent Mutation Studios is the hiss bad?
@@wadewilliams1892 nah not bad at all, I get a little bit from nearby devices but I can only notice if I get really close to the tweeter
What amplifier should I pair these with?
I bought Germano Studios by Waves,hey have inside NS10 simulation with headphone eq curve,since then my mixes sound perfect in my car,i never thought that this will be possible...i imagine if i would buy someday NS10 for real.. .only positive things.
they also have very fast transient/time based response so no ringing. If you are doing dance music club or dub will a system with sub as well .
My only gripe is that nowadays most cars come with a subwoofer, and even little Alexa and Echo speakers have pretty great sound quality. They might've made more sense back in 2003 when personal speaker systems and computer systems sounded like trash, but we're in a different world now. They're still great for midrange but I opt to use a second set of speakers and my car to check the bass and high frequency stuff
Just because more systems are better quality now, doesn't change the fact that the majority of musical information, and the area our ears are most sensitive to, is the midrange.
I mix on Kali LP6. They’re great. Just wondering why the NS10 is infamous. Just trying to get to the bottom of it. Also why is your distressor upside down??
These good for EDM?
Where can I buy it from please ?
Is there any trusted app or website or place please ?
What headphones are those you mentioned you use for lowend/sub???
Thanks
This theory has been going on for years. It seems all of the pro mixing environments share the belief that the frequency response of NS10s allows a good final mix as well as a bench mark listening measurement. However it is all relative surely - once you understand how ANY monitors frequency response translates the final mix and what it means to all frequencies actual transparent translation ...there is no issue...all dependant on ones understanding of the tools one is using 🥳🥳🤔
Do you have the original or ns10m?
I did the sonarworks deal and it takes the fun out of listening in my studio space. But I think it accomplishes the same effect.
No because NS-10s aren't flat.
anyone ever try CLA-10? how do they hold up?
@Moonbase Records how do you know? Have a link?
But aren't you running in problems with the low end? That you make the low end to loud because you don't hear it on these?
he uses the headphone for check the booty end
@@AJbassist The booty end LOOOL
It does the opposite, it makes you figure out where the bottom is most powerful and useful so those elements still translate on limited playback systems like a phone speaker. The car test should be replaced by the phone test as far as I'm concerned. If it's all there off the phone speaker it should play back on anything pretty well
Just bought a pair of NS-10 STUDIO's -- near mint condition -- on Ebay for $225. Listening to them right now. I did a room test with Sonarworks software in my room which is pretty well treated. At about 100k these drop off a cliff. But, I've got a sub woofer that kicks in at 80k so I"m good. I've ordered some replacement speakers from North Bold Audio. They claim to have copied exactly the original NS-10 speakers. Have lots of testing data on their website. Pricey though. $340 a pair shipped. I'll post a follow up when I put them in. To my ears the original 30 yr old speakers just sounded a bit dull.
the whole point of them is that they dont have any sub frequencies - make syou make sure there will be enough bass on the average crappy home speaker which wont have any sub either
What about soloing the mid range?
N10’s r 4ever!
Why do you use a potato for filming?
4:57 Dude, what's happening in the left channel? Totally freaked me out! 😆
Nice commentary
They have been around for a few decades now and off course people know them in and out nothing special about them every speaker has its character you just have to spend time understanding it and with so many speakers on a market it impossible as a consumer to stay on one for decades
Something I have been doing is throwing I eq on the master high pass at 100hz and low pass at about 10k and get a better since of the meat of the mix👌
You're killing all your low end and air. You should treat the sub range as an extension to low mids instead of getting rid of it completely
@@mdhssounds I still mix my sub to the low mids but I have noticed a almost immediately better translation when mixing this way. The best part is its literally a button click away from full range👍
@@mdhssounds also I mix almost predominately hip hop and bass heavy music so this is just something I do to check what laptops and and cell phones are hearing.
One way is to apply a high pass filter to your current monitor to achieve the same effect.
That was what i was thinking
I have Yamaha NS-144. They are bigger version of the NS-10's. 🙂
That’s like arguing that you drive better looking through a tiny hole, because it makes you focus on the road ahead?
Hmm... maybe it's more like looking at the road ahead instead of watching a screen with a 360 degree view around the car
@@hardcoremusicstudio At least that leaves you the option to see what's going on in the neighboring lane 😊
Anyways, I can agree that it's crucial to know the strengths and limitations of your monitoring system
No it's not.... it's like saying "I have practiced driving looking through a little hole so I know how to design a car for people that can only see through a tiny hole".
Also these speaker are a accident at this translation... they were never meant for this which means the company made speakers that would emulate all the bad things any speaker would do if a mix wasn't right.
What using a high end speaker does would be like saying "I drive a car that drives for me so I'm the worlds best driver".
Although I couldn't use just these myself, although I'm not doing basic mixes and masters.
These are are for the "mixing" stage not the creation or editing stage.
You have to get those stages right before mixing, you'll need more detail to do this.
The mixing stage is about translation and then mastering is about making it as loud as you can without losing any dynamics or quality, again so it translates.
Expensive high watt systems don't need music to be mastered, there a volume knob there for that.
These are about a need in the industry, not about being something that blows minds.
You'll need something detailed so you can hear the small sounds you don't want to clean up the mix, but you'll need something like this.
These are there only as a "worst case" scenario monitor.
If your mix isn't good then it won't sound good.
Where as other speakers can make bad mixes sound good.
Now, if you play your music on your own stuff then it is fine...
But mixing and mastering is about getting your sound to be heard properly everywhere.
Other wise you don't need mixing and mastering, although if you're making music I would assume you're trying to make money which means broadening your client base to anyone.
With these speakers, if the mix is bad... you'll be able to listen to them for about 10 minuets before you get ear fatigue.... if it's good then you should last hours.
Mix cubes are designed in this same way... but should never be main monitors.
Their there to show if your mix is expecting to much from all the speakers.
Plus again... "in the mix stage"... If someone has to edit in the mix stage then for that moment they are editing not mixing.
So really the statement is: "IT IS LIKE DRIVING A REALLY BAD CAR THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO DRIVE WELL AND THEN WHEN YOU DRIVE A WELL DESIGNED CAR YOU'LL DRIVE IT LIKE A PRO".
Although, more than anything, it's about what you're used to... but then if you could "play" a driving technique you'll want to test it on bad cars before you let someone "play" your driving technique.
Just saying
its more like saying most people can only see through a tiny hole so I'm going to make sure that there are enough interesting things happening within that tiny hole. Sure - make sure theres plenty for those with a wider view too... or something
Your ns 10's ain't yamaha ns 10's? Just askin' cause the print looks different. Or are these a different version
They are vintage NS-10M's, I have a pair just like them !
Or slap a HPF on your mixbus while mixing.
What powered monitors would be the equivalent of NS10s ?
The Avantone Pro CLA10 Active Studio Monitors, They are powered NS10's :)
Have to disagree. This is another recording myth that has gone on for way too long. They are just bad speakers, that is it. Any decent quality monitor can give you just as good results once you are used to them and your room. Doesn't matter what kind of room or speakers either.
Yet every well mixed record sounds fantastic on the NS10s.
They are truthful to the sound, so when something sounds bad on them it's really not monitor's fault.
I mix with Focal Alphas in a treated studio, in the past I mixed with headphones and I never felt my mixes bad or weak on the car.. I don't really get why people pay so much attention to this topic. If you're good and you are used to your speakers and environment, I don't think there's any problem
One of my tutors who built multiple BBC studios in the uk, said that they are the *expletive* reference! They’re to check what a mix will sound like on the average home sound system!
..bullshit.
ns10 have some features other speakers dont have like super fast bass transients due to closed box desing (time stamping on bass reflex monitor could be double or more....), they have very low total harmonic distortion, great stereo image and mid range super clarity.
they are a godsent, a truly magical tool...there are few other alternatives to ns10, like unity audio stuff or rasch audio...
they are not pleasant to listening, they are a tool like a medical monitor, or a measurement mic, like or not that's not the point, get one two or three pair of those.
@@kyma1999x I agree, I mix with NS-10's at a very low volume in mono, then compare with the Far field Tannoy's. Always sounds great. make them sound good & it will sound good anywhere. ;)
This ain't it chief. Everything related to translation of your music in a unknown environment depends on you referencing other mixes which have already struck the balance just right. There is no headphone or monitors in this equation.
I agree with what you're saying, check out my other video on "Why the Car Test Works." However I have to say that after years mixing on one pair of monitors in the same space, then getting NS10's, my mixes translated better almost instantly. I also find that NS10's sound the same in any room I've been in, which always provides a good reference when working in other studios.
@@hardcoremusicstudio Hey man ! Everyone is entitled to their opinions, I was just stating the facts.