Referencing and knowing the sound signature of the monitors are the two most important factors. You don't even need to have perfect sound treatment of the room if you know what your room sounds like. Familiarity is your best tool.
Bro u got all of them. so which monitor would you pick if you can only choose one ? first I looked into Adam a7v then came across many other ones like PSI , then ATC SCM 25 and finally PMC result and 6s which are way more expensive . I need one set of great monitors to do all my mix and masters with. and I know you are against the price tags for the quality etc and I am too. but help out here if you put any of these that I mentioned side by side
I have HS5s however most of My music is made using basic audio headphones and 1986 Technics amp and speakers, it's got a 5 band equaliser on it. The two main channel speakers are flat and basically sound like the HS5s then I have two Awa speakers with build in subs. On there own the Awa are kinda trash but with the flat Technics they actually sound great together. Anyway long story short if it sounds good on that its going to sound good on anything.
I rock a pair of cheap sterling audio mx8s used from guitar center I wouldn't call myself a mixing pro but my mixes have come out alot better since I changed to them from my old mackie cr8s
I’m shopping for slight upgrades all around and this is definitely the hardest decision. I have very old M Audio monitors 4-5 inches but I KNOW THEM SO WELL I’m scared to even change but I’m leveling up my mixing and know I need to😒
They I having some problems with pro tools. everytime I create a session save it and open it the same day everything works fine but when the next day i try to work on the same session for some reason I always get a aae 2 payback error, how can i fix this
You lose a lot of special info in headphones. There are software to compensate. But yes, you can. More sources you can listen on the better. Open back phones are usually the best bet for mixing. Read about that. This Chanel I said a little misleading by what is left out in the info.
I'm new to all of this. I am using some logitech pc speakers, and my mixes sound completly different than in my car. I want some monitors but hearing them in my basement before purchasing them, is probably not going to happen. I guess I have to go to guitar center and ask to test a pair of monitors I am interested in with my own (crappy) beats. But if there were a way to mix on the speakers I got, and overcome the added bass and trebble Logitech put into these speakers, I'd be ahead of the game. Maybe I should run an audo line to my Boombox and mix to it?
@@RodneyD Agree to disagree. I've mixed hundreds of records in numerous environments. Though important, most certainly is not more important than proper gain staging.
Well well, you overlook an essential issue : what music ? You talk about commercial music, therefore your criteria is to make the client happy, anywhere, on whatever equipment. Just business, commercial oriented choices. Now I still must see someone listening to a Bach partita on the cellphone, Bill Evans and Miles Davis on ear pads, or Yo-Yo Ma on a mall P.A.
You're utterly wrong about the NS10. The reason the got so popular is they're super revealing and the time response is so great. So if you think they sound crappy, it's because you don't know how to mix and have a crappy mix!
room treatment followed by studio monitors are the two single most important things for your studio. You can’t have a proper opinion on how a mic or any piece of analog gear sounds or a mix sounds If you’re not hearing it correctly on good speakers. As far as price goes I think you can find some pretty good stuff for not too expensive but you can also find some not so good stuff that is expensive so you have to be careful and do your research, but take my advice so you don’t go through the same thing I did and before you go and buy a tubetech and compressors and channel strips. Make sure your room is treated with the best monitors you can possibly buy.
I prefer the flattest response monitors with a sub but rarely turn on the sub. Also can't justify spending Genelec money for speakers. At least not yet.
genelec are flat and sound absolutely absolutely like crap like poo 🤣. Flat sounding monitors does not tell you a damn thing at revealing sound qualities of the signal that was put into them, and as to what comes out of them 🤣 .
When i was looking at "budget range" monitors for my bedroom studio, i was doing a lot of technical research on the specs and frequency response graphs I could find. I do agree that mixing on "what you know" is important, but i also feel it's important (with anything you do) to make sure you're starting off on a good foot. I went to my local guitar center after having made some choices between adams and i think it was a set of JBL's? That's when I happened upon the Kali Audio lp6's. Their cones were true 6" unlike krk's, they were much clearer and had an overall much better response than my other two options. The adams with their different tweeter honestly felt a bit too sharp. Eventually i went with the Kali LP6's after talking with my sweetwater rep and learning that they were actually a group of old JBL employees that wanted to make their own products with what they've learned. Now that the lp6's have been out for a while, they're easy to find, and Kali offers a number of other speakers now for higher price brackets. When my trusty amazon subwoofer finally dies, i'll be going to them for a replacement.
I tell everyone i encounter thats looking to get into mixing and production to save up at least 20k before starting. Usually ur gna waste time w cheap consumer products...
@@josephschmizzo1595 i'm sorry but 20k is honestly very unreasonable for most people. I believe 5k would be plenty for a sturdy computer, starter mic, starter monitors, diy room treatment, some basic-level headphones, and some software to start things off. Consider any other hobby in the world. You don't go out and get premium oils for your first paint. You don't go out in a 1,000hp drift machine for your first e-brake slide. You don't throw $500 into a set of hybrid material soccer cleats. Get some research in on what is good and what is shit for the entry level. Be smart. Because that research and initial knowledge could be worth that other 15k.
@@josephschmizzo1595 i won't deny at least some level of gatekeeping cause not every schmuck has the ear for serious mixing or mastering, but i think that ceiling is a bit, too high.
@@MrRickChase im not talking about hobbyists, im talking about ppl who are serious and looking to take a REAL swing at it. I didnt have 20k to start but looking back…i cud have saved that up, i just listened to ppl saying “be cheap.” I GET what ur saying, but i’d still suggest getting like a 1k pair of monitors, a 1k interface, a decent preamp that may run u close to 1k, 5k on a computer, about 1k of acoustic treatment, about 1k on a guitar (if u play) a desk, stands, cables etc. and a few thousand on plugins etc. for ppl who are SERIOUS. 15k may suffice but putting urself in position to make big leaps as fast as possible is what i’ve learned to be the optimal entry into music. I spent almost 10yrs believing that i cud get radio ready pop hits on a cheap laptop and a cheap pair of m audios w an mbox and it just yielded frustration, confusion and anguish. 5k for like a hobbyist is perfect, i wont fight u on that but u wna “invest in your craft”
@@MrRickChase if u say “im gna start a business” i think at least 20k is a solid benchmark for someone seeking professionalism. But again, i totally get what ur saying. Im speaking to those that are really chasing music long-term.
I honestly cannot believe how many times I've heard people say "If it sounds good on my phone, it will sound good on anything." What a crock of crap. They said the same idiotic thing about Yamaha's NS10's, a HORRIBLE speaker with little bass, totally screwed up mid range and phase distorted. So, using Wayne's logic, if I, as an engineer, attempt to EQ the bass up because the Yamaha has none below approx 80 hz, or try to recess the mids due to the phase shifts(Time delays) caused by the 2nd order Butterworth (12 db/oct) crossover, that "mix" will sound GREAT on flat response better speakers lacking time domain distortions. NO, it won't. Just think about that for a moment. The Yamaha's crossover adds 1/2 cycle of phase shift (Time delay) at the crossover point (2khz) and a different amount of time delay at each and every frequency as you move away from the crossover point. There is no "digital error correcting for this, nor can you "Eq it out". Sorry. The sound from the tweeter will reach your ears before the sound of the woofer does, easily proven with a simple step response test. More expensive monitors like Genelec can have as high as 48 db/oct crossover's. When played back on GOOD equipment, you'll hear bloated bass, recessed mid range and a harsh top end.. If that's better to you, so be it. But you are wrong. I'll be happy to provide the PHYSICS backing up everything I said.
YES Wayne....lol expensive studio monitors is gonna speed up your growth. FOR SURE. (Source: I found out the hard way...spent like 7 yrs on garbage monitors....then i got some expensive ones lol)
Referencing and knowing the sound signature of the monitors are the two most important factors. You don't even need to have perfect sound treatment of the room if you know what your room sounds like. Familiarity is your best tool.
I believe it all comes down to your ear 👂🏾 and taste of what is sonically important or pleasant to you and what works for the environment you’re in.
You have good info !
Thank you
Got it bro thanks..still building my studio.
You've always got the solid info Wavy.
I am happy with my focal alpha 65 having them for 5/6years now.
Bro u got all of them. so which monitor would you pick if you can only choose one ? first I looked into Adam a7v then came across many other ones like PSI , then ATC SCM 25 and finally PMC result and 6s which are way more expensive . I need one set of great monitors to do all my mix and masters with. and I know you are against the price tags for the quality etc and I am too. but help out here if you put any of these that I mentioned side by side
I have HS5s however most of My music is made using basic audio headphones and 1986 Technics amp and speakers, it's got a 5 band equaliser on it. The two main channel speakers are flat and basically sound like the HS5s then I have two Awa speakers with build in subs. On there own the Awa are kinda trash but with the flat Technics they actually sound great together. Anyway long story short if it sounds good on that its going to sound good on anything.
I rock a pair of cheap sterling audio mx8s used from guitar center I wouldn't call myself a mixing pro but my mixes have come out alot better since I changed to them from my old mackie cr8s
I’m shopping for slight upgrades all around and this is definitely the hardest decision.
I have very old M Audio monitors 4-5 inches but I KNOW THEM SO WELL I’m scared to even change but I’m leveling up my mixing and know I need to😒
Thank You bro 🙌🙌Very Helpful Video🔥🔥.
They I having some problems with pro tools. everytime I create a session save it and open it the same day everything works fine but when the next day i try to work on the same session for some reason I always get a aae 2 payback error, how can i fix this
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That mug on the desk is making me nervous wavy. 🫗
Making my spidy sense go crazy
That's the mixing sauce mug
The day that emoji was finally discovered and used
Thanks 😊
Hey what’s up bro how are you much love
I mean at the end of the day we just have to train our ears. Great vid wavy!!!
i wonder if you have tried the slate vsx
What about Headphones? Are they good enough to get the job done & if so can you do a Video on some of the BEST ones to use
You lose a lot of special info in headphones. There are software to compensate. But yes, you can. More sources you can listen on the better. Open back phones are usually the best bet for mixing. Read about that. This Chanel I said a little misleading by what is left out in the info.
I'm new to all of this. I am using some logitech pc speakers, and my mixes sound completly different than in my car. I want some monitors but hearing them in my basement before purchasing them, is probably not going to happen. I guess I have to go to guitar center and ask to test a pair of monitors I am interested in with my own (crappy) beats.
But if there were a way to mix on the speakers I got, and overcome the added bass and trebble Logitech put into these speakers, I'd be ahead of the game.
Maybe I should run an audo line to my Boombox and mix to it?
love the videos
I got the NS-10s in 95/96 and my homie teased me half the death. I ended up buying some Alesis monitors. LMAO. I'm not so weak/impressionable now. :)
Wavy is a cool dude
MMAns layin the truth by the brick-ton! 🤘🤘 ShoutFrom HtownTexas
Yeah. I use to think monitors were the most important factor to a great mix. But gain staging is really where the magic is. 👍🏾
The room acoustics is more important…
I found isotope tonal balance a real handy visual for a crap room setup
Best mixes I made were coming out of an old crapy boom box/radio
How do you know what gain staging is doing if your monitors smear time and phase (and they do) Horribly so.
@@RodneyD Agree to disagree. I've mixed hundreds of records in numerous environments. Though important, most certainly is not more important than proper gain staging.
Well well, you overlook an essential issue : what music ? You talk about commercial music, therefore your criteria is to make the client happy, anywhere, on whatever equipment. Just business, commercial oriented choices.
Now I still must see someone listening to a Bach partita on the cellphone, Bill Evans and Miles Davis on ear pads, or Yo-Yo Ma on a mall P.A.
You're utterly wrong about the NS10. The reason the got so popular is they're super revealing and the time response is so great. So if you think they sound crappy, it's because you don't know how to mix and have a crappy mix!
room treatment followed by studio monitors are the two single most important things for your studio. You can’t have a proper opinion on how a mic or any piece of analog gear sounds or a mix sounds If you’re not hearing it correctly on good speakers. As far as price goes I think you can find some pretty good stuff for not too expensive but you can also find some not so good stuff that is expensive so you have to be careful and do your research, but take my advice so you don’t go through the same thing I did and before you go and buy a tubetech and compressors and channel strips. Make sure your room is treated with the best monitors you can possibly buy.
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I prefer the flattest response monitors with a sub but rarely turn on the sub. Also can't justify spending Genelec money for speakers. At least not yet.
genelec are flat and sound absolutely absolutely like crap like poo 🤣. Flat sounding monitors does not tell you a damn thing at revealing sound qualities of the signal that was put into them, and as to what comes out of them 🤣 .
@@ianjohnhorwood2605 Wrong. There's a reason professional studio engineers never use something like KRK's or Beats headphones to monitor.
correct@@jackedkerouac4414
When i was looking at "budget range" monitors for my bedroom studio, i was doing a lot of technical research on the specs and frequency response graphs I could find. I do agree that mixing on "what you know" is important, but i also feel it's important (with anything you do) to make sure you're starting off on a good foot. I went to my local guitar center after having made some choices between adams and i think it was a set of JBL's? That's when I happened upon the Kali Audio lp6's. Their cones were true 6" unlike krk's, they were much clearer and had an overall much better response than my other two options. The adams with their different tweeter honestly felt a bit too sharp.
Eventually i went with the Kali LP6's after talking with my sweetwater rep and learning that they were actually a group of old JBL employees that wanted to make their own products with what they've learned.
Now that the lp6's have been out for a while, they're easy to find, and Kali offers a number of other speakers now for higher price brackets. When my trusty amazon subwoofer finally dies, i'll be going to them for a replacement.
I tell everyone i encounter thats looking to get into mixing and production to save up at least 20k before starting. Usually ur gna waste time w cheap consumer products...
@@josephschmizzo1595 i'm sorry but 20k is honestly very unreasonable for most people. I believe 5k would be plenty for a sturdy computer, starter mic, starter monitors, diy room treatment, some basic-level headphones, and some software to start things off. Consider any other hobby in the world. You don't go out and get premium oils for your first paint. You don't go out in a 1,000hp drift machine for your first e-brake slide. You don't throw $500 into a set of hybrid material soccer cleats. Get some research in on what is good and what is shit for the entry level. Be smart. Because that research and initial knowledge could be worth that other 15k.
@@josephschmizzo1595 i won't deny at least some level of gatekeeping cause not every schmuck has the ear for serious mixing or mastering, but i think that ceiling is a bit, too high.
@@MrRickChase im not talking about hobbyists, im talking about ppl who are serious and looking to take a REAL swing at it. I didnt have 20k to start but looking back…i cud have saved that up, i just listened to ppl saying “be cheap.” I GET what ur saying, but i’d still suggest getting like a 1k pair of monitors, a 1k interface, a decent preamp that may run u close to 1k, 5k on a computer, about 1k of acoustic treatment, about 1k on a guitar (if u play) a desk, stands, cables etc. and a few thousand on plugins etc. for ppl who are SERIOUS. 15k may suffice but putting urself in position to make big leaps as fast as possible is what i’ve learned to be the optimal entry into music. I spent almost 10yrs believing that i cud get radio ready pop hits on a cheap laptop and a cheap pair of m audios w an mbox and it just yielded frustration, confusion and anguish. 5k for like a hobbyist is perfect, i wont fight u on that but u wna “invest in your craft”
@@MrRickChase if u say “im gna start a business” i think at least 20k is a solid benchmark for someone seeking professionalism. But again, i totally get what ur saying. Im speaking to those that are really chasing music long-term.
I honestly cannot believe how many times I've heard people say "If it sounds good on my phone, it will sound good on anything." What a crock of crap.
They said the same idiotic thing about Yamaha's NS10's, a HORRIBLE speaker with little bass, totally screwed up mid range and phase distorted.
So, using Wayne's logic, if I, as an engineer, attempt to EQ the bass up because the Yamaha has none below approx 80 hz, or try to recess the mids due to the phase shifts(Time delays) caused by the 2nd order Butterworth (12 db/oct) crossover, that "mix" will sound GREAT on flat response better speakers lacking time domain distortions. NO, it won't.
Just think about that for a moment. The Yamaha's crossover adds 1/2 cycle of phase shift (Time delay) at the crossover point (2khz) and a different amount of time delay at each and every frequency as you move away from the crossover point. There is no "digital error correcting for this, nor can you "Eq it out". Sorry.
The sound from the tweeter will reach your ears before the sound of the woofer does, easily proven with a simple step response test.
More expensive monitors like Genelec can have as high as 48 db/oct crossover's.
When played back on GOOD equipment, you'll hear bloated bass, recessed mid range and a harsh top end..
If that's better to you, so be it.
But you are wrong. I'll be happy to provide the PHYSICS backing up everything I said.
YES Wayne....lol expensive studio monitors is gonna speed up your growth. FOR SURE.
(Source: I found out the hard way...spent like 7 yrs on garbage monitors....then i got some expensive ones lol)
If you want solid levels, you better get some monitors.
Arse burgers are delicious though
When someone says "truth" in caps in a title... you know it's gonna be bad.
Wow… now I’m going to send my Genelec 8351b back…
NOPE!!
You have a lot of money in speakers I see…
@wavy Wayne how can I contact you?