Near my hometown (in southern Croatia), there is a small village that has been abandoned aproximatelly century and a half ago. One day, my father and I decided to try to find it. We knew the exact location of it. Still it took us around two hours to dicover any remnants of it. All the stone walls had crumbled and they were covered by moss and bramble. There were a couple of entirelly rusted nails and practically no wooden tools or structures. If nature can swallow up a whole village built of stone in a climate that's pretty arid, I can't imagine what would happen to the wooden structures in a tropical environment
When we worked mapping phone cables we passed a dozen of abandoned places, some were ~50km from Zagreb, the capital city, and almost impossible to find if we didn’t have maps with exact locations.
I remember watching a video of a man, he spoke English, so I think he was in the UK somewhere, trying to locate wells to ensure they had been closed and had not been reopened. He had to go off of very old maps. Most of the wells were located on old farms or singular homes. I don't know how old the wells were supposed to be, but I remember him trekking through what looked like a large forest until he came across a low wall made of brick, the rest of the house had fallen apart. He had to try to orient himself to find out where exactly he was on the map and then spent even more time trying to find the well which had a sheet of metal bolted in place over it. He also talked about the dangers of lime or quicklime pits. Holes that had been dug into the sides of hills where they heated limestone rocks to make quicklime. For some of these, the bottom entrance had been closed up over time and water would accumulate in them, causing another type of hazard.
I think everyone easily forgets how fast nature can take over an area and 200 years should be more than long enough to hide away evidence of us ever being there. Especially if structures are mainly wood.
Wooden structures wouldn't even last a few decades in a tropical climate. A century between first sight and subsequent visits is enough to erase most traces of building if they're not maintained.
LIDAR will either prove or disprove existence of any giant cities. They're already finding hundreds of sites using it to see through the dense foliage.
Yea without maintenance in 200 years whole forest of trees can eventually uproot and knock over buildings. Even the biggest skyscraper could crumble from a combination of roots from below and weight from layers anything growing inside and out
If modern humans struggled to make one road there with modern tech, centuries ago, everyone would have struggled. There may be tribes there, but even they say it'll be hell.
When the temple of Borobudur in Indonesia was found, it was nothing more than a mound of vegetation and rubble. It took massive coordinated effort of the colonizer and local people to reconstruct it back to the grand site it is today. The Amazon rainforest is no doubt more vicious and inaccessible than that, not to mention the lack of the surviving native people. If the Egyptian pyramids were built in the Amazon, we will know it now as just another hill in an “uninhabited jungle”.
The Dutch used to say about my country, Suriname, that you could put a random stick in de ground and it would grow. Suriname is one of the 8 amazon countries with a little over 90% of its territory still covered by basically untouched rain forest.
Wonderful. Here's hoping that Suriname stays that way. Best wishes from your Caricom neighbor Trinidad. Trinidad and Guyana are currently engaged in various projects to ensure the food sustainability of the region by 2025. Shade projects are part of Trinidad's agriculture plan.
I work at a local college and last week I had a student writing about this "gardener" style of agriculture in a culture in North America. This is so on-topic, I hope I see that student again this week specifically so I can share this video. More people need to be aware of these earlier more sustainable modes of agriculture. I think it could play a hand in helping future conservation efforts (as well as a potential replacement for monoculture farming). Fascinating video.
I watch a few "farmer" (animal and garden/orchard) UA-camrs, and I've come across this crop, shrub, tree agriculture technique a few times. I think the reason we don't do it is that our farming techniques are generally large scale specialized "to feed the world". On the small scale, like for kitchen or backyard gardens, this would be excellent. The only issue is that the average person (in the USA, at least) doesn't stay in the same home for very long due to today's employment fluctuations. People who raise children tend to try to stay in one location longer than those without. Crops can be rotated seasonally, shrubs can grow quickly, but getting fruit or nut trees from sapling to fruiting any substantial amount can take several years. My family was lucky we bought the former home of a California agriculture scientist in 1980, and he had planted fruit trees all over our 1/4 acre backyard; apples, pears, plums, black walnut, sugar plum, pomegranate. There was a blackberry bush patch that he shared with his neighbor by planting them along the open wire fence they shared. He had a garden plot surrounded by open wire fencing with red grapes woven in it. An asparagus patch was still growing, but all the other crops had died off. He had lived in the house for about 20 years before he died, so everything was pluck and eat. Looking back, it's too bad my mother and father had never been interested in gardening or imparted an interest in me or my siblings. Can only hope the people who bought our old home about 20 years after we got it appreciated the fruits of that old Ag. Scientist's labor, too. It's been 44 years since my family moved in, and I looked on Google Maps to see the satellite view. Unfortunately, it looks like the entire crop area was demolished and almost all the trees are gone. One of each apple, pear, and plum trees, and the blackberries look to be all that is left. Could have been due to the age of the trees, as the smallest/youngest trees seem to be the only ones left.
mate most Farmers Practice sustainable Farming they are thinking in Generations! its the Corporations Buying up Farms the Banks Foreclose on forming Giant Farming Conglomerates that for lack of a better description get handed over to Monsanto to Operate. Ironically Most turn to Soy Crops as its MONEY while most are sourced from Amazonian Grown Slash and Burn Cropping where the Soil/Loam gets leeched of all of its Nutrient by that particularly Thirsty and Hungry and Very Fkn Needy Crop kind of like the people relying on Soy Crop for Sustenance. now teh soil is fked for anything else they then turn cattle loose on the now Non Arable land which Vegantards then Blame it all on the Meat Industry!
And Columbus didn't discover America. The vikings found it first. Before that people already lived there. Wow! How can you discover something when people already now it's there?
when i was watching The Walking Dead several years ago, i came to a startling realization that ancient human societies could've easily been like the show, just trying to make a settlement in an unforgiving environment, connecting with others with trade, war, swallowed by nature, a thousand times over and over, and no one would know, especially if it was enough to get by with wooden structures.
I always thought this, that say 50,000 years ago people probably even then used to make wooden toys for their kids, forks, knives, plates, houses but none of it will ever have existed, they'd eventually burn them for fire once they were worn down or even if left they'd rot away to nothing in a few decades. So people just act like people 50,000 years ago would be too dumb to have built things because theres no proof.
Top 10 things that blew my mind #5 take mushrooms and watch " into the universe with Neil tyson" then watch the og star wars movies.....mind blowing. Really makes you feel like humans have done this dance all over the universe for millions of years. Columbus couldn't navigate correctly, yet the Sumarians used the stars to travel by 5,000 years prior? Doesn't add up
The grass I have on my property makes idle objects disappear, even a weedwacker! Very easy to see how civilizations can vanish! As I dig my own garden out, it's like an archaeological site where I see glimpses of how the previous owner lived while digging. Great video as usual, it really makes me rethink how I approach my small farm/garden project. I was already thinking about how I can utilize having a canopy forest.
Great idea. Please get working on the project as soon as you possibly can. Just as you protect yourself from radiation farm produce needs to be protected from the direct rays. From the Caribbean/South America.
Dig three feet down 4 inches of wood chips from various Local species ground fresh with leaves. Pete Moss and soil with mycelia, clay, soil, Pete moss, Animal bones 40% volume burnt 40% volume cleaned by insects (With insects on) and dry, 20% volume with viscera, earthen pottery two inches thick three to 4 inch pieces shattered, add liquid compost [fish Bones skin scales , egg shells, worm castings, inoculate with probiotics, prebiotics and yeast, Mix with Wood chips], Mix of 20% carbon 80% Sandy loam soil, Chicken manure, thatched straw or grass, plant into upper layer of sandy loam... terraprieda .You're welcome God bless you.
Around 1980 I rented a house with 3 friends. Decided to plant a garden along the garage. Found a gold wedding band. 20 years later, at another place, planted a garden and found some interesting glass, a strange clear glass car. Few years ago was digging for worms to go fishing...found a Barbie doll head, which must have been there since before 1970 when dad built our house. I never had a Barbie and certainly wouldn't have left her in the woods. Stuff is everywhere. My great uncle found an ancient stone axe head in a field when he was a kid ... probably around 1920. They say that there were once native mounds along our river....the road is basically on top of the old native trails....
@@jecinasema5190 Thank you kindly! All the way from Caribbean too! I watched the weather closely this year in that area, and it looked like a very wild ride, ( the storm formation looked intense to say the least). Thank you kindly for your response! I'm putting the finishing touches on a winter greenhouse this week, and currently battling mother nature :P It's 25 outside, and managed to keep the air above freezing overnight (tiny victories, moment by moment in life). During the day it's hitting close to 80 degrees fahrenheit when 45-50 out as the high temp. Baby pumpkins are growing from seed (I started late, but I'm proving to myself it can be done!). I have a 10 foot by 2 foot, by 2 foot depth aquaponic system built with cinder block as the base, and a rubber pond liner, a bog to naturally filter the water, with goldish, and even a frog showed up and jumped into the above ground pond system :D. The ultimate goal being to create a thermal barrier with the air, and let some of those cold weather plants hopefully thrive. Either way, I'm now able to extend my growing season dramatically, with a very inexpensively built structure. So, definitely looking forward to pre-spring, as I might be able to grow enough flowers, to potentially go into business (I just keep expanding on seed production each year). It's been a lot of work, and a dramatically life changing experience. Thank you kindly for your words of encouragement, keep warm down there :P
I love the stuff they've been finding in the Amazon. Been watching documentaries about it for a few years. Some of the first writings about amazing villages were thought to be made up as when travellers went back it was all gone and now they're finding evidence of huge cities and linked infrastructure. Awesome
Yes...(try subtracting the preconceived ideas that you inherited from the theocracy that your civilization was based on.....) Also when you do that, please DON'T fall for the current sociological programming, because that's just as bad....
Stubborn scientists and archaeologists with one agenda and narrative who are not flexible with the possibility they got it wrong but yet teach us their beliefs in schools and colleges are to blame and, in some cases, dangerously misleading . Check out Graham Hancock.
It is high time we take the idea of pre-iceage civilizations seriously. Sumer was not the cradle of civilization, it simply is the oldest we can get a good grip on. Look at what glaciers do to the ground beneath it. It can crumble mountains, carry boulders larger than the giza pyramids.
there is one group to blame for this. modern archeologist. ironically enough, they call people who look at this "pre ice age civilization" and "the people-ing of the americas" racist and bigoted. (how is it racist to claim these non-white civilizations were more advanced than we give them credit for?) and they do this becuase they know its the easiest way to shut people down and make people not listen.
We see examples of this already in abandoned places-like ghost towns and Chernobyl-where nature is reclaiming its space. If humans were to vanish, it wouldn’t take long for forests, swamps, and wildlife to erase almost every trace we left behind.
There is a wonderful documentary series called Life After People where we all just vanish. It moves forward in time showing the order in which things would decay and vanish, how animal life would change and what bits of our civilization would last longest. It is a thought experiment and well worth watching.
Here in Arizona… a simple footpath takes millennia to vanish. The Sonoran desert just doesn’t have the capability to change at all. In fact… that’s why Phoenix was able to flourish the way it did… because the ancient canals were still workable, hundreds of years after the Hohokam abandoned them.
Must be an old video that was on the back burner and he finally got around to putting the final touches on it. Definitely, that must be the only explanation.
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Amazing vid. We are quite self centered when we think about our history and even our universe. We keep peeling back more and more layers.. and our history goes deeper and deeper. Fascinating!
Terra preta was almost certainly an accident rather than a deliberate undertaking. Look at the contents: Animal bones, charcoal, broken pots, food scraps... it's a midden. They dug holes to throw their garbage in. They may have noticed that plants grow better on it and then used it to cultivate plants themselves, but this seems like speculation to me, and I'm not sure it's even provable.
@@mendmywings7238 Half the reason it's not on the news. There are some great archaeologists in the world but their governing bodies are corrupt to the literal core. They literally won't even acknowledge basic common sense if it comes from an outside accredited source.
This has been heavily speculated or assumed for years. There are articles on found cities in the middle of the Amazon in Nature Magazine, National Geographic and even on the Smithsonian's website. The way Thoughty makes it seem like it hasn't been reported, but it has. Thoughy's titles are always click-baity.
Yeah was going to say this has been talked about for awhile now. This isn't breaking news. They located evidence of cities using lidar scans from planes a few years ago.
i always imagined civilization would thrive in such a mysterious and lush full part of the planet. look forward to learning more as we discover what the amazon has to offer. As always, fantastic video. Thanks
Disease wiped out the people, the ones left abandoned the cities (for one reason or another), and nature reclaimed the land - growing over the ruins left behind. Vegetation in the jungle grows fast and numerous. So give a few hundred years, and there wouldn't be anything to see. To be honest, its incredibly sad what happened to it all... and to the Mesoamerican civilizations as a whole... Also, sounds like we REALLY need to redo our farming practices.. and soon.
Those ruins are not that large. Compare them to the trees. Likely a couple huts in side the ditches like a family farm. All connected by roads. The ditches would not only help with farming but prevent trees from overtaking the area as fast. Very similar design to norse villages just smaller, yet on a larger connected scale.
@@Dead_Goat they were said to have populations in the 10s, of thousands - all we are seeing, is the remains of long lost civilisations, like the Inca & Aztec, who traded with the Forest people.
You sound pretty sure about that. How do you know? There's no evidence that disease wiped them out - that's simply our best guess. We have found just 10 samples of South American human remains from which we have successfully isolated genetic material from some rare Salmonella subspecies, which could MAYBE have caused typhoid fever-like symptoms. But if the supposed 25 million natives died from this mystery disease, don't you think we'd find more evidence for the disease by now? There is no scientific consensus on this point. Lots of leading geneticists outright reject the claim that the genocide was bacterial in origin. It would certainly be in Spain's best interests to brush it under the proverbial carpet if they did commit a genocide of such proportions.
@@Dead_Goat seing juste one or two photo and deciding it's "likely" the whole picture. :/ some other image to rethink the scale of it. And remember that we're starting to map the place with our new technologie, only a very small part of it have been scaned , from my knowledge, so far. pbs.twimg.com/media/GDlXOy6WEAE1b9H?format=jpg&name=large www.science.org/do/10.1126/science.zzti03q/full/_20240111_on_amazonian_urbanism_lidat-1704999607347.jpg www.cnnbrasil.com.br/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2022/05/07e_Cotoca_Screenshot_5.jpg?w=1220&h=674&crop=1&quality=85 and i don't even know from those picture, if those city stop at the end of it. I'm not saying what we see here is on scale unknown of anywere else on earth, of course, but it's definitly on scale no one believed so far.
Exactly. I'm one of the growing number of people who believe that civilization is older than we think. People who say, _"If that were the case we'd find evidence of it,"_ just aren't paying attention. We have. Numerous times, in fact. It's just that the finds are rare and sporadic, and there needs to be additional corroborating evidence in the same region before it can be considered significant. And in an unknown percentage of cases, the evidence is just dismissed entirely due to a preconception bias. Also, the lack of evidence only justifies not yet being convinced that something is the case. It doesn't, however, justify an outright refusal to consider the possibility. This is a major distinction that's lost on many people. There's an old saying that goes _"An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."_
The scientific community’s unwillingness to even address the many instances of sunken cities, massive stone placement, and precision cutting of extremely hard stone by peoples supposedly in an early agrarian state is infuriating. Before the advent of the internet, most of this was unheard of or relegated to the fringes, and careers were built and books written based on the assumptions formulated a hundred years beforehand, and what eminent professor wants to see the work of his lifetime overturned in the face of new evidence? And so grants are not bestowed, new evidence is ignored or explained away with nonsense, and anyone questioning the old paradigms is labeled a charlatan. How sad for all of us.
@@marcmelvin3010 Because modern day science is extremely biased. They won't tell you about some of the things discovered because history would have to be rewritten and they like the mess of information that they gifted the world
Here’s the thing, an early thing to discover, ceramics, can last a long as time, we’re talking a million years. Bronze and other metals can also last a long time. Then in terms of modern type of civilization radioactive materials and some alloys last basically throughout the whole thing. Realistically unless if it’s hidden under Antarctica (or the jungle like this) or under some coast line that is now deep under water due to sea levels rising after the ice age, not going to find something that really shakes up the narrative that much. Yes we find neat stuff like this all the time, but it’s like finding sky pieces in a puzzle. I’m not saying that isn’t something in the pieces we’re missing, but it doesn’t really change the main object of the puzzle, unless if there’s something weird like a spaceship in the sky.
When I read about Perma culture I remeber someone stating that gardening is more productive per square meter than farming. Farming is more rational on a large scale though, especially with an abundance of energy like oil.
There is an acgricutural revolution of sorts taking place across African nations. They can’t rely on traditional crops due to not being able to rely on rain to come when needed. So, instead they are creating food forests that are sustanable and halt deserfication. India is adopting this too and has reversed desertfication in many areas.
Perma culture works really well, and would do so on a large scale, so long as pesticides etc, are not used. This will also improve the health of the people.
Not more, but almost as productive as AFAIK. But completely sustainable, without the need to use pesticides and herbicides and even expensive machinery, but more manual labor.
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Here in the Americas, for example in my country Colombia, has been told that indigenous tribes practiced a sustainable way of farming which involved multiple plots that were used one at a time for a limited period of time, so that they would to the next plot while letting the first one "heal" if I can use that word. That way, allowing the soil to recover nutrients and such while preserving the ecosystems around them and not over exploiting the soil. The connection they had with the Earth, if you will.
Yes, crop rotation and leaving a field “fallow” as they say, for a farming season is crucial for healthy soil, and a bit of manure from grazing animals doesn’t hurt 😂
Yep , that is practiced today . Also , plowing the remnants of the last crop into the soil provides composting and aeration . The problem with gardening is there are 8 BILLION (and growing) human beings .
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Quick question from a dumB Person here. How is there so much plants if the soil is not good? I live in the almost desert of West Texas so I get (maybe, probably not) why only the most robust of plants survive here but it's called the "Amazon Forrest" because of the plants that grow in the soil. ? Please help me
@@BrolandMeeces The reason for the great plant abundance in the Amazon is a combination of prolific rainfall and the remoteness given the plants time to grow. While those soils are very poor, if an adapted plant species is given sufficient time they can reach amazing sizes and complexity. BTW, this is why the deforestation we are seeing down there is madness. The clear land can only support very poor soybean crops or cattle grazing for a few years and then that original vegetation takes hundreds of years to grow back in order to repeat the cycle. Also, interesting you mention West Texas and deserts. Deserts are actually some of the most fertile soils on earth because they don’t get enough rainfall to leach the nutrients below the plant root level. They aren’t very productive because there is not enough rainfall to sustain plants so they can take advantage of those nutrients. Kinda interesting dichotomy.
I still wonder what is beneath all the sand of the Sahara Desert. It's a vast area that we KNOW was "green" at one time. There are even theories that the early great accomplishments of Egypt may have been because of the people who came from the Sahara met/traded with the people coming from the Middle East, creating a blending of intellectuals who founded a great empire.
It's not that we (as a species) don't know. Instead of wondering, read it up. e.g. scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=sahara+archaeology&btnG=&oq=sahara+arch
@@Sarafimm2 it’s crazy that what we consider “Ancient Egypt” was already ancient by the time of Cleopatra. If the Sahara was green at that time, no doubt it will contribute to the flourishing civilization, and the desertification of it conversely caused the decline of the civilization.
Yeah apparently it was supposed to be really green as was Egypt they say that the sun's orbit has a cycle that changes every 5000 or 25000 years can't remember which
If they built out of natural elements, mud, wood, etc., the Amazon would "eat" that up in months. Just a year later it would have completely decayed into the ground and the area covered in thick flora.
@@EGRJ I spent some vacations there. It is so lush, that if it wasn't for the biome, microbes, insects, other plants, etc., breaking down the detritus, the flor would be so littered and crowded it would be impossible to penetrate. As it is the flora is so dense in spots you can not get through it. It's a place so teeming with life you can feel it.
@@xelasomar4614 I've heard the jungle floor is dark even during daytime, is this true? I have been there but it looked quite bright during the day, however I didn't venture too deep to know what it's like further beyond.
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22:51 "And we might've been building buildings, making laws, and fighting wars for much much longer than any of us knows." - That's rather a haunting thought.
Look up Graham Hancock, and if you have a bias against Joe Rogen, who he regularly appears on, please try and overlook that. Graham has devoted his life to lost civilizations, and presents interesting theories about the younger dryas climate catastrophe 11,600 years ago.
Ancient civilisation theories can be really cool, many of them lead back to Atlantis, some of them tie into Ancient Aliens, but while entertaining, they have to be assessed critically. I like the narrative weaved by Graham Hancock, but I take issue with his call to arms against archaeologists and the scientific community. There's a lot of gaslighting there, and it often takes away from a genuine exploration of a cool theory in favour of an 'us versus them' mentality, when in truth the scientific community is not trying to shut down exploration into alternate theories on history and the development of humanity and society, they're just basing their core foundations on what can be proven with current scientific measures. As new evidence comes to light, as new techniques and technology are developed that can give us a better view of history, the scientific community will use those to change and redefine our understanding of the past, as we have done for thousands of years and as we will continue to do until the last of humanity is wiped from existence.
There are hints of this in North America as well. Some of the settlers at Jamestown had been on previous expeditions and expected to see people and cities they had visited before, only to find that they were all gone. John Lawson, writing in 1701 (and published in 1709) described the "writing" system used by some of the natives he met (it consisted of a bundle of notched reeds). The hot, humid climate of the area will destroy wooden structures in short order if they are not maintained.
Yessss! And from their accounts those cities were HUGE and VERY well populated. It's like if the Roanoke Colony happened to a modern day city. And I've never heard of reports or stories from other native people about what happened to them.
I went to a forest in Quebec over a decade ago, it was a rather thick forest, I think it was near Abitibi. While walking around I was surprised to find out the entire forest was actually a brimming logging town back in the day. Many people lived and worked there and it had roads and all sorts of trade amenities. Nothing was left, I found our all of this via message boards left by the trail masters, which included descriptions and maps and illustrations. You could never even tell it had all of that. The funniest thing about it? It had barely even been 80 years since people had left the town.
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What many don't know, is that the "rainforest" of the Amazon basin, is a relatively recent occurrence & that the previous, historical, farming & urban sprawl, was rendered possible by the importation or creation, of a rich black soil that is so fertile, that crops grown in it exceed all their normal specifications & bumper harvests become the norm. UnchartedX & The Brothers of the Serpent podcasts & YT videos, discussed this more than once. Virtually the entire area, was once ideal farmland, only becoming rainforest over the last millenia or so.
Yes, and no. Terra preta was created by the indigenous people, and they also built very long, low dams, because when the Amazon basin is in the wet season, water is everywhere and fish are hard to find (because they're so spread out) and when it's in the dry, the water (and fish) are all in the rivers. Yes, they did have an insanely productive agricultural system in the area. What you're misunderstanding (or possibly it's your sources who misunderstood), is that the agricultural system and the rainforest were the *same thing*. They didn't have open fields of grains and veggies and domesticated livestock like we think of when we say agricultural. No, instead they engineered the entire rainforest ecosystem to suit them. They planted crop trees, and smaller crop trees that grow under them, and crop bushes under those, and then manipulated the diversity and density of game species, too. Why have to tend to domesticated animals, when you can just go hunt, and be virtually guaranteed to bag meat (or eggs, or honey, etc.)?
@@MrNyathi1 Yeah, it remarkable, and incredibly different from conditions elsewhere. But be fair-eager as everyone in the West is to piss on the West, I think it would have been equally inconceivable for the Amazonians to imagine the vast wheat fields, herd of animals or extensive rice paddies that other civilizations used as basis for plentiful food. Just too different to imagine and back in the day, people didn't see a lot of different geographical conditions.
@@Trollificusv2 I'm not saying it as a diss to other farmers, none of us would be here without agriculture. Nevertheless, vast wheat fields are markedly inferior to the agricultural systems of the Amazon and the Eastern Agricultural Complex in terms of quality of food, preservation of other ecosystem goods and services, etc. Herds of animals would have been inconceivable to them, though, because domesticating animals really is down to whether you have animals in the wild that you *can* domesticate.
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Something my wife and I do is vertical gardening. We bought a vertical planter about 4 years ago, and it has produced more tomatos among other veggies than we can eat. So our family and friends are given what we can't eat. The watering, any minor weeding, etc. is easily managed. There is nothing tastier than your own homegrown veggies. Another aspect is that if you want it all to be organic, it's easier to do as a small group of plants. You can add grow lights and grow over the winter any plants suited for the season. We also grow herbs among other plants between annual flowers to ad even more variety. All this is done on very little square footage, especially the vertical planter.
They didn't have farming the same way we know but they I have heard indigenous people talking about the forests as gardens that they care for. They used to interfere in the forest without destroying it.
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Since I first learned about this topic I have been thinking...what if the rainforest is only there because of this super soil they created? Imagjne that this civilization created this long term natural miracle grow, spread farming across the continent with it, then suddenly died off from plague. How fast would trees, shrubs, bushes, and vines suddenly take over the land? I should go look up to see if anyone has done core samples on the amazonian jungle trees to see how old they are on average.
Core samples won't tell you how old the rainforest is..But the geological record shows us they were there for billions of years..Trees being on of the first things to evolve on land after replacing giant fungi..Without dense forests,dinosaurs could not have evolved..
@@eddiemilne4989 okay, I do get that trees have been around that long. I am just curious if THOSE trees were THERE for that long. If these structures are downright burried with jungle trees growing over them, either the trees grew over them at an extreme pace (implying that perhaps the jungle itself is newer) or the structures are incredibly old.
@@klosnj11 You are taking the word of one guy that these cities were there 200 years earlier,but strange that unlike Columbus he didn't bother bringing a souvenir or even better a local curious enough to want to see the outside world despite him having a boat which would be a marvel to people with only stone tools..Those lidar discovered cities could have died out thousands of years earlier as people migrated up river to the Andes where farming and metalworking had been discovered..Even with our modern technology we have only a vague idea where our ancestors were thousands of years earlier..The Incas.Mayans,Aztecs have more sketchy,even bizarre sky God type origin stories..Which the lost advanced civilisation nut jobs naturally jump on..
Looking into core samples is actually a good idea. I think its not only about age of trees, but also historical climate conditions and changes in land use over time.
Minus Mr Ballen, I'm 100% with you. The only reason I'm not big on Ballen anymore is because he went through the paranormal stories so quick that now his new stories are more true crime and his constant pushing of better help when he of all people should not be doing that with a mental health company with that many problems being uncovered.
the charcoal was/is added to control for the smell of the other biowastes (animal remains and human sewerage) and to prevent microscopic diseases from leeching into the local subterranian waterways, with pottery shards functioning for the same purpose. it's possible that someone noticed that dealing with waste this way lead to happy plants, including food plants, and then scaled it up. such gardening is what permaculture is trying to be. i wouldn't be surprised if mouldy leaf matter and other fungi sources were also used in the biowaste recycling. maybe a higher number of produce gardens and a higher number of smaller biowaste treatment facilities and we'd have less pollution problems and increased food security. hydrothermal carbonization technology looks promising. and there are some areas in the world where building in wood and/or bamboo should be the standard, instead of wasting money on brick and mortar (initially symbols of wealth), such as regularly hit with natural disasters - floods, tsunami, storms, tornado, hurricane/cyclones, earthquakes and fires*. this speculation brought to you by my higher education (including PhD candidature where I used some of these methods in a wet bio-research lab for non soil purposes), my hot neurospicy brain, 40+ years of pretty much reading everything in my vicinity, and my own practical gardening experiences and experiments. *I'm looking at you, Australia
Unfortunately building with wood in areas of Australia would only be reclaimed by the termites, claiming land areas as their own. I do like the idea of implementing the gardening idea into my own spec of land here though. Love all your videos, thanks for sharing
Australia is hit with floods, cyclones and fires regularly. But steel structures are the ones that survive cyclones. And wood and bamboo are not particularly fireproof. No structures are very good at surviving inundation. The best way around this is to not build on floodplains, but that horse has bolted Not much of the population live in the cyclone affected areas either
13:34 But they analyzed the soil quality hundreds of years after that civilization vanished, keeping in mind that place is very dynamic in terms of weather, even 50 years of no human intervention in nature can result in a dense forest with poor soil quality for farming, soil quality only gets worse when there's a lot of vegetation. Where I live you will see dense forests right next to big farmlands, then dense forests again, that doesn't mean farming isn't possible here, soil quality doesn't become ideal for farming by itself, you have to make it ideal.
Oh Boy, you have really got the cart before the horse here. Some soils are naturally more nutrient rich than others, depending on topography, climate, natural history, the components of the soil itself (silt, sand, clay, organic matter). But ALL of them are depleted by human agriculture the way we practice it. We HAVE to enrich soils that have been farmed this way after a few years with mined petrochemicals and fertilizers because we have depleted so many of the nutrients. After all, the crops we grow are not allowed to rot entire and return all of their chemistries and constituents back to the soil. But in natural environments that IS what happens. The great apparent fertility of places like the Amazon is a consequence of really efficient recycling of the plant and animal nutrients. At any time, a lot of the elements necessary for agriculture are present, but they are largely incorporated in the living organisms. When the organisms die, those elements are returned briefly and then incorporated into new generations of living things. Farmers in tropical rainforests have practiced slash and burn agriculture from time immemorial. They clear some land, burn the vegetation that was on it, thus enriching the soil, and get a few productive years of crops out of it. Then the fertility is exhausted and the farmers move on. This is the definition of unsustainable agriculture.
@@lkj974 Not entirely. NZ is always held up as an agricultural country but our soil is awful, thanks to it being temperate rainforest for millions of years.
@@JDWDMC It is not "awful" soil. But it isn't the infinitely productive food producing factory we want it to be. No soil is. Some have more productive capacity to start with, but all will become depleted in time. The problem with most agriculture is that it views soils as passive matrices to hold nutrients to be converted into crops. We try and get more out of it and get it out faster than could ever happen naturally. So eventually we have to turn to external sources to "recharge" the depleted matrix. Our system of agriculture is not closed. It is not sustainable. In truth, soils should be thought of as eco-systems, or even a kind of huge, colonial organism. Worms, bacteria, single cell organisms, fungi all work together to recycle the dead animals, dead vegetation, animal excrement and return nutrients to the soil so the cycle can begin again. But in a sustainable (closed) system, only so many nutrients can be withdrawn and they can only be withdrawn so fast. And the organisms I listed above are essential for that miracle of recycling to happen. Take more and the system breaks down. Eradicate the organisms and the systems natural fertility is destroyed. You have a desert instead of a garden.
Yes, the soil along the Amazon is very poor and unsuitable for agriculture. That's why nothing grows there. The soil in Anatolia where agriculture first developed is so much richer and more fertile. 😄
@@lkj974 No, it actually it is. It literally cannot retain nitrogen. We have a very limited natural biome. Introduced plant species like gorse have revolutionised the replenishment of native forests, once we learned to leave the gorse alone. The soil here isn't great for trees let alone agriculture.
Hello there, just a note about the amazon. I'm currently living in ecuador (South America) and remember how the amazon is supposed to be a huge water source and what not? Welp it used to feed the rivers of the highlands. THERE IS NO F×CKING WATER LEFT HERE. WANNA KNOW WHAT ELSE DEPENDED ON WATER?? ELECTRICITY. IT IS A MIRACLE THAT I'M WATCHING THIS. Ecuador was supposed to be a place where climate change was supposed to look way different. Maybe lots and lots of rain and what not. Now we're living through one of the longest droughts I've lived in this country
Claiming 0.0425% of the atmosphere that has a very narrow absorption spectrum and almost always fluctuates in quantity after temperature fluctuates is what controls climate is itself a crazy conspiracy theory.
@@whims6278 first of all learn some respect, just because you have an ignorant mind, doesnt mean that it isnt true what i said. it is in fact 100 % true, you know why? i can see legit they doing it over my hometown aswell, they fly their four cornerd patterns in the sky the you see the trails, after 1-3 hours the clouds dissapear. without clouds no rain nor shadows, ofc when you do this over a long period of time it will get hotter. thats a fact. you just see one explenation from one side , the side doing it. dont be ignorant, atleast do some effort and look other sources. btw geo engeneeing exist that also known and even said in media also 100% true. they doing legit a crime, thats why they wanna hide it and lie about it. you wanna know whats in thos trails? there are way better people out there then you and me, there is a german lawyer who actually investigated on that matter, and he found out there is aluminium and barium particles and more in those trails, btw those are not good for human and animals, you can learn yourself what that will do to humans. you know how he know? cause he had experts who analysed the water after rainfall, taht way you can find out what they using. he also founded the initiative called "sauberer himmel" and the guy is called dominik storr. so another one, there is an american woman who was like you, she didnt believe it, but she was not that ignorant, so what did this brave women do? she actually enlisted in that kind of company, she worked there for around 10 years... guess what she found out? watch it yourself, you can find it on kick since youtube sencors truth, i wonder why that is.... see young women, when i was younger i was ignorant and manipulated too, but we grow and learn, logic can be given from bad people and good people, just get infromation from both sides and then see whats happening in the world, then atleast you have a better opinion then most. i realy hope you learn the truth. cause there is so much evil happening RN around the world, laws for freedom are attacked around the western world, and there is a elite who wants controll. so much infromation on that, the W.E.F big tech and parts of governments try to take away your freedom, you shouldnt like that. the government is there to serve you, not the other way around.
@@whims6278 ok i gave you a very good explenation for it, but wow...youtube censors it..... another crime from youtube for freedom of speech, great job
That is not a jungle that is a man-made Garden Gone Wild! And they were able to manage many farming practices through their process of making "Terra preta" a very micro organic rich soil that they used to make with charred wood
AWESOME video! Thanks so much for making this one. Some years before the LIDAR-based discoveries, archaeologists and soil scientists had already discovered Terra Preta, but it took a good bit of research to understand it. Now, in the form of #biochar, it is transforming regenerative agriculture practices across the world. Nice legacy! Botanists have also noted for some time that the Amazon contains areas with absurdly high concentrations of food trees....the descendants of those forest gardens you mention. As to smallpox, I've often wondered if Orellana and his crew carried the plague with them as they journeyed down the river.
From what we know about contacts with previously uncontacted Amazonian tribes in the 20th century, it wouldn't necessarily require smallpox. Even the common cold would have killed many of them. After the ancestors of the American Indians left Asia, they had no contact with Old World diseases for a very long time, and whereas a strong immune system is a useless burden in the absence of disease, over time the genes for strong immune systems almost disappeared as there was no need for that. So, when peoples from the Old World finally arrived the peoples of the Americas were practically defenseless against even mild illnesses. A case of the sniffles that a European might not even have noticed therefore could have killed millions. Something similar goes on among winterovers in the Antarctic today. The last flight out leaves in February, the first flight in occurs in August - and although the new arrivals have no indications of illness all the winterovers come down with "the crud" within a week or two. It's usually something between a bad cold and a mild flu, and it is caused by all the accumulated evolution of microbes in the rest of the world over just six months. For people in the wider world the changes happen gradually so they never notice, but when they all strike at once it produces two or three days of sickness.
@@alanlight7740 Their immune systems were plenty strong. They were exposed to diseases and allergens and other things with antigens that immune systems will react to. They just weren't exposed to Eurasian/African diseases, and there's a common factor to the Old World diseases that made them particularly nasty, and particularly common around the Old World humans: a lot of them are zoonoses, diseases of animal origin. In the case of TB, a soil bacterium became a bovine pathogen became a human pathogen. Flu is a bird virus that could infect pigs, and pig physiologies remixed them into human versions. We've lived alongside domestic animals harboring these nasties for a very long time, and the inhabitants of the New World hadn't: the one disease they had lived alongside for a long time was syphilis, which was originally from llamas and vicuñas and guanacos, and I'll let you put two and two together how _that_ became a human disease.
@@alanlight7740 That's more the strains being different than actually stronger. You see colds going around like that in college towns as well, simply due to people coming from all over bringing various different strains with them.
Graham Hancock is big on this exact idea. He proposes that there was a civilization there up to 20,000 years ago + He also looked into the genetic markers of the native population and they are closely related to Polynesian and Australian natives. Not from North America or the land bridge to Russia or Asia, which is what the popular consensus was. Cool stuff
The oral traditions of the peoples living in and around the Amazon say those cities weren't built by the Aztecs, Incans, or Mayans. They were there long before they were.
I think the point was that of the established known "advanced" civilizations, they were established well after these ancient Amazonians had either been established or were in their decline.
@@Ramondenner1991 I used the word "around" and didn't specify the range. My bad. Yeah I meant ALL of those civilizations. Not just IN the Amazon. I thought everyone would figure out the obvious.
@@Ramondenner1991 ani indians are from North America, you know in past they come from Alaska to North America and then trought Mexico to a south America anyway.... 20-40 000 years ago. :D
Cracking video Thoughty2, however you should have finished the video with an aerial view of the Amazon river with an overlap of the Eastenders theme tune 😆
Near my hometown (in southern Croatia), there is a small village that has been abandoned aproximatelly century and a half ago. One day, my father and I decided to try to find it. We knew the exact location of it. Still it took us around two hours to dicover any remnants of it. All the stone walls had crumbled and they were covered by moss and bramble. There were a couple of entirelly rusted nails and practically no wooden tools or structures.
If nature can swallow up a whole village built of stone in a climate that's pretty arid, I can't imagine what would happen to the wooden structures in a tropical environment
Exactly my thoughts! Can't find much of 150 year old buildings here in Germany...
When we worked mapping phone cables we passed a dozen of abandoned places, some were ~50km from Zagreb, the capital city, and almost impossible to find if we didn’t have maps with exact locations.
I remember watching a video of a man, he spoke English, so I think he was in the UK somewhere, trying to locate wells to ensure they had been closed and had not been reopened. He had to go off of very old maps. Most of the wells were located on old farms or singular homes. I don't know how old the wells were supposed to be, but I remember him trekking through what looked like a large forest until he came across a low wall made of brick, the rest of the house had fallen apart. He had to try to orient himself to find out where exactly he was on the map and then spent even more time trying to find the well which had a sheet of metal bolted in place over it. He also talked about the dangers of lime or quicklime pits. Holes that had been dug into the sides of hills where they heated limestone rocks to make quicklime. For some of these, the bottom entrance had been closed up over time and water would accumulate in them, causing another type of hazard.
@@Sarafimm2 Dissolved limestone under the surface is what causes sinkholes, so yeah.
@@Sarafimm2 QuickLime sounds like something I need to download for free lol.
I think everyone easily forgets how fast nature can take over an area and 200 years should be more than long enough to hide away evidence of us ever being there. Especially if structures are mainly wood.
Wooden structures wouldn't even last a few decades in a tropical climate. A century between first sight and subsequent visits is enough to erase most traces of building if they're not maintained.
LIDAR will either prove or disprove existence of any giant cities. They're already finding hundreds of sites using it to see through the dense foliage.
Yea without maintenance in 200 years whole forest of trees can eventually uproot and knock over buildings. Even the biggest skyscraper could crumble from a combination of roots from below and weight from layers anything growing inside and out
If modern humans struggled to make one road there with modern tech, centuries ago, everyone would have struggled. There may be tribes there, but even they say it'll be hell.
When the temple of Borobudur in Indonesia was found, it was nothing more than a mound of vegetation and rubble. It took massive coordinated effort of the colonizer and local people to reconstruct it back to the grand site it is today. The Amazon rainforest is no doubt more vicious and inaccessible than that, not to mention the lack of the surviving native people. If the Egyptian pyramids were built in the Amazon, we will know it now as just another hill in an “uninhabited jungle”.
The Dutch used to say about my country, Suriname, that you could put a random stick in de ground and it would grow. Suriname is one of the 8 amazon countries with a little over 90% of its territory still covered by basically untouched rain forest.
Wonderful. Here's hoping that Suriname stays that way. Best wishes from your Caricom neighbor Trinidad. Trinidad and Guyana are currently engaged in various projects to ensure the food sustainability of the region by 2025. Shade projects are part of Trinidad's agriculture plan.
I too hope your country stays that way.
I have never been there but I worked for people from Suriname and they are the best.Good for you.
I wonder what a popular surname in Suriname would be
I work at a local college and last week I had a student writing about this "gardener" style of agriculture in a culture in North America. This is so on-topic, I hope I see that student again this week specifically so I can share this video. More people need to be aware of these earlier more sustainable modes of agriculture. I think it could play a hand in helping future conservation efforts (as well as a potential replacement for monoculture farming). Fascinating video.
Monsanto would like to know your location
I watch a few "farmer" (animal and garden/orchard) UA-camrs, and I've come across this crop, shrub, tree agriculture technique a few times. I think the reason we don't do it is that our farming techniques are generally large scale specialized "to feed the world". On the small scale, like for kitchen or backyard gardens, this would be excellent. The only issue is that the average person (in the USA, at least) doesn't stay in the same home for very long due to today's employment fluctuations. People who raise children tend to try to stay in one location longer than those without. Crops can be rotated seasonally, shrubs can grow quickly, but getting fruit or nut trees from sapling to fruiting any substantial amount can take several years. My family was lucky we bought the former home of a California agriculture scientist in 1980, and he had planted fruit trees all over our 1/4 acre backyard; apples, pears, plums, black walnut, sugar plum, pomegranate. There was a blackberry bush patch that he shared with his neighbor by planting them along the open wire fence they shared. He had a garden plot surrounded by open wire fencing with red grapes woven in it. An asparagus patch was still growing, but all the other crops had died off. He had lived in the house for about 20 years before he died, so everything was pluck and eat. Looking back, it's too bad my mother and father had never been interested in gardening or imparted an interest in me or my siblings. Can only hope the people who bought our old home about 20 years after we got it appreciated the fruits of that old Ag. Scientist's labor, too. It's been 44 years since my family moved in, and I looked on Google Maps to see the satellite view. Unfortunately, it looks like the entire crop area was demolished and almost all the trees are gone. One of each apple, pear, and plum trees, and the blackberries look to be all that is left. Could have been due to the age of the trees, as the smallest/youngest trees seem to be the only ones left.
mate most Farmers Practice sustainable Farming they are thinking in Generations! its the Corporations Buying up Farms the Banks Foreclose on forming Giant Farming Conglomerates that for lack of a better description get handed over to Monsanto to Operate. Ironically Most turn to Soy Crops as its MONEY while most are sourced from Amazonian Grown Slash and Burn Cropping where the Soil/Loam gets leeched of all of its Nutrient by that particularly Thirsty and Hungry and Very Fkn Needy Crop kind of like the people relying on Soy Crop for Sustenance. now teh soil is fked for anything else they then turn cattle loose on the now Non Arable land which Vegantards then Blame it all on the Meat Industry!
Look up Polyface Farms in Virginia.
And Columbus didn't discover America. The vikings found it first. Before that people already lived there. Wow! How can you discover something when people already now it's there?
when i was watching The Walking Dead several years ago, i came to a startling realization that ancient human societies could've easily been like the show, just trying to make a settlement in an unforgiving environment, connecting with others with trade, war, swallowed by nature, a thousand times over and over, and no one would know, especially if it was enough to get by with wooden structures.
that's what happens if you're dumb
I always thought this, that say 50,000 years ago people probably even then used to make wooden toys for their kids, forks, knives, plates, houses but none of it will ever have existed, they'd eventually burn them for fire once they were worn down or even if left they'd rot away to nothing in a few decades.
So people just act like people 50,000 years ago would be too dumb to have built things because theres no proof.
Top 10 things that blew my mind #5 take mushrooms and watch " into the universe with Neil tyson" then watch the og star wars movies.....mind blowing. Really makes you feel like humans have done this dance all over the universe for millions of years. Columbus couldn't navigate correctly, yet the Sumarians used the stars to travel by 5,000 years prior? Doesn't add up
The grass I have on my property makes idle objects disappear, even a weedwacker! Very easy to see how civilizations can vanish! As I dig my own garden out, it's like an archaeological site where I see glimpses of how the previous owner lived while digging. Great video as usual, it really makes me rethink how I approach my small farm/garden project. I was already thinking about how I can utilize having a canopy forest.
Great idea. Please get working on the project as soon as you possibly can. Just as you protect yourself from radiation farm produce needs to be protected from the direct rays. From the Caribbean/South America.
Dig three feet down 4 inches of wood chips from various Local species ground fresh with leaves. Pete Moss and soil with mycelia, clay, soil, Pete moss, Animal bones 40% volume burnt 40% volume cleaned by insects (With insects on) and dry, 20% volume with viscera, earthen pottery two inches thick three to 4 inch pieces shattered, add liquid compost [fish Bones skin scales , egg shells, worm castings, inoculate with probiotics, prebiotics and yeast, Mix with Wood chips], Mix of 20% carbon 80% Sandy loam soil, Chicken manure, thatched straw or grass, plant into upper layer of sandy loam... terraprieda .You're welcome God bless you.
If you aren’t familiar with it you may be interested in growing a food forest. There are quite a few videos on how to plant a food forest.
Around 1980 I rented a house with 3 friends. Decided to plant a garden along the garage. Found a gold wedding band. 20 years later, at another place, planted a garden and found some interesting glass, a strange clear glass car. Few years ago was digging for worms to go fishing...found a Barbie doll head, which must have been there since before 1970 when dad built our house. I never had a Barbie and certainly wouldn't have left her in the woods. Stuff is everywhere. My great uncle found an ancient stone axe head in a field when he was a kid ... probably around 1920. They say that there were once native mounds along our river....the road is basically on top of the old native trails....
@@jecinasema5190 Thank you kindly! All the way from Caribbean too! I watched the weather closely this year in that area, and it looked like a very wild ride, ( the storm formation looked intense to say the least). Thank you kindly for your response! I'm putting the finishing touches on a winter greenhouse this week, and currently battling mother nature :P It's 25 outside, and managed to keep the air above freezing overnight (tiny victories, moment by moment in life). During the day it's hitting close to 80 degrees fahrenheit when 45-50 out as the high temp. Baby pumpkins are growing from seed (I started late, but I'm proving to myself it can be done!). I have a 10 foot by 2 foot, by 2 foot depth aquaponic system built with cinder block as the base, and a rubber pond liner, a bog to naturally filter the water, with goldish, and even a frog showed up and jumped into the above ground pond system :D. The ultimate goal being to create a thermal barrier with the air, and let some of those cold weather plants hopefully thrive. Either way, I'm now able to extend my growing season dramatically, with a very inexpensively built structure. So, definitely looking forward to pre-spring, as I might be able to grow enough flowers, to potentially go into business (I just keep expanding on seed production each year). It's been a lot of work, and a dramatically life changing experience. Thank you kindly for your words of encouragement, keep warm down there :P
I love the stuff they've been finding in the Amazon. Been watching documentaries about it for a few years. Some of the first writings about amazing villages were thought to be made up as when travellers went back it was all gone and now they're finding evidence of huge cities and linked infrastructure. Awesome
How do we know your interest in the topic is genuine?
You gay?
@@Luuskamuikkunengay and intrested in anthropology
@@Luuskamuikkunen don't use youtube to cruise. look for Dt's someplace else deviant.
Its not just the Amazon. They're discovering this in Southeast Asia as well.
i love how the more we learn the more we realize we have so much more to learn that we thought we 'already knew'.
Yes...(try subtracting the preconceived ideas that you inherited from the theocracy that your civilization was based on.....)
Also when you do that, please DON'T fall for the current sociological programming, because that's just as bad....
lol I think that’s a lesson that people keep learning and forgetting and relearning and forgetting again
Stubborn scientists and archaeologists with one agenda and narrative who are not flexible with the possibility they got it wrong but yet teach us their beliefs in schools and colleges are to blame and, in some cases, dangerously misleading . Check out Graham Hancock.
This ain't new: mel Gibson apocalypto
The more we learn and study.. the more we realize how clueless we are
It is high time we take the idea of pre-iceage civilizations seriously. Sumer was not the cradle of civilization, it simply is the oldest we can get a good grip on.
Look at what glaciers do to the ground beneath it. It can crumble mountains, carry boulders larger than the giza pyramids.
Harap civilization precedes sumer
@@aranosaranosIndus Valley, baby!! 🥳🎉👏
there is one group to blame for this. modern archeologist.
ironically enough, they call people who look at this "pre ice age civilization" and "the people-ing of the americas" racist and bigoted. (how is it racist to claim these non-white civilizations were more advanced than we give them credit for?) and they do this becuase they know its the easiest way to shut people down and make people not listen.
We see examples of this already in abandoned places-like ghost towns and Chernobyl-where nature is reclaiming its space. If humans were to vanish, it wouldn’t take long for forests, swamps, and wildlife to erase almost every trace we left behind.
We saw what happened when most everyone stayed home during COVID. Air was cleaner, animals came out.
In Germany, we had a multy part documentary about the time it takes until our civilization would have vanished. It still wouldn't take long.
There is a wonderful documentary series called Life After People where we all just vanish. It moves forward in time showing the order in which things would decay and vanish, how animal life would change and what bits of our civilization would last longest. It is a thought experiment and well worth watching.
Here in Arizona… a simple footpath takes millennia to vanish.
The Sonoran desert just doesn’t have the capability to change at all.
In fact… that’s why Phoenix was able to flourish the way it did… because the ancient canals were still workable, hundreds of years after the Hohokam abandoned them.
@@randallbesch2424as harsh as it sounds earth would be a much better place with out us
the biggest mystery here is WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT AMAZING HANDLEBAR MUSTACHE?!?!?!
INDEED!!!!! 🥸😱
I was wondering
Obviously it got lost in the Amazon. It's now the Amazon handlebar mustache
Must be an old video that was on the back burner and he finally got around to putting the final touches on it. Definitely, that must be the only explanation.
Please...tell me it isn't so 😮
Mate, this was incredibly interesting and engaging. I take my hat off to you. Over many years now I've spiradically come across your videos, the increase in quality over that time is inspirational. In my opinion this was better than most documentary episodes on mainstream media. Congratulations and thank you! You're a boss.
Agreed and I have enjoyed the jiurney with 42 🎉
it's still shit content full of misinformation, inaccuracies and oversimplification and/or subjective opinion presented as objective analysis. trash channel
If you're interested in this topic, check out the, nowadays much criticise graham Hancock. He's been talking about this for years now.
He's always been brilliant I've watched since 100k subs he's absolutely fantastic.
Amazing vid. We are quite self centered when we think about our history and even our universe. We keep peeling back more and more layers.. and our history goes deeper and deeper. Fascinating!
If you didn’t come from tiktok raise your hand 🤚🏽
What’s tik tok ??🤣🤣🤣🤣
The adults are watching this, not babies with brainrot from tiktok.
I came from ancient apocolypse and been watching thoughty 2 and his high brow comedy for like 4 years
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Not only did I not come from tiktok, I've never been on tiktok.
Terra preta was almost certainly an accident rather than a deliberate undertaking. Look at the contents: Animal bones, charcoal, broken pots, food scraps... it's a midden. They dug holes to throw their garbage in. They may have noticed that plants grow better on it and then used it to cultivate plants themselves, but this seems like speculation to me, and I'm not sure it's even provable.
I absolutely loved this episode! Thanks, Arran!
I love this. The fact that this isn't front page news across the globe is a crime against humanity. Thanks for sharing.
Haven't GrahamHancock (and others) been saying something like this for years
@@mendmywings7238 Half the reason it's not on the news. There are some great archaeologists in the world but their governing bodies are corrupt to the literal core. They literally won't even acknowledge basic common sense if it comes from an outside accredited source.
This has been heavily speculated or assumed for years. There are articles on found cities in the middle of the Amazon in Nature Magazine, National Geographic and even on the Smithsonian's website. The way Thoughty makes it seem like it hasn't been reported, but it has. Thoughy's titles are always click-baity.
It is... But it was 9 months ago. U just didnt see it maybe?
Yeah was going to say this has been talked about for awhile now. This isn't breaking news. They located evidence of cities using lidar scans from planes a few years ago.
Your program has opened a whole new perspective to S. America and the Amazon. Absolutely fascinating report, and it opens a ton of questions.
i always imagined civilization would thrive in such a mysterious and lush full part of the planet. look forward to learning more as we discover what the amazon has to offer. As always, fantastic video. Thanks
Disease wiped out the people, the ones left abandoned the cities (for one reason or another), and nature reclaimed the land - growing over the ruins left behind. Vegetation in the jungle grows fast and numerous. So give a few hundred years, and there wouldn't be anything to see. To be honest, its incredibly sad what happened to it all... and to the Mesoamerican civilizations as a whole...
Also, sounds like we REALLY need to redo our farming practices.. and soon.
Those ruins are not that large. Compare them to the trees. Likely a couple huts in side the ditches like a family farm. All connected by roads. The ditches would not only help with farming but prevent trees from overtaking the area as fast. Very similar design to norse villages just smaller, yet on a larger connected scale.
@@Dead_Goat they were said to have populations in the 10s, of thousands - all we are seeing, is the remains of long lost civilisations, like the Inca & Aztec, who traded with the Forest people.
the mesoamerican cultures were cannibalistic death cults. I'm glad theyre gone.
You sound pretty sure about that. How do you know? There's no evidence that disease wiped them out - that's simply our best guess.
We have found just 10 samples of South American human remains from which we have successfully isolated genetic material from some rare Salmonella subspecies, which could MAYBE have caused typhoid fever-like symptoms. But if the supposed 25 million natives died from this mystery disease, don't you think we'd find more evidence for the disease by now? There is no scientific consensus on this point. Lots of leading geneticists outright reject the claim that the genocide was bacterial in origin.
It would certainly be in Spain's best interests to brush it under the proverbial carpet if they did commit a genocide of such proportions.
@@Dead_Goat seing juste one or two photo and deciding it's "likely" the whole picture. :/
some other image to rethink the scale of it.
And remember that we're starting to map the place with our new technologie, only a very small part of it have been scaned , from my knowledge, so far.
pbs.twimg.com/media/GDlXOy6WEAE1b9H?format=jpg&name=large
www.science.org/do/10.1126/science.zzti03q/full/_20240111_on_amazonian_urbanism_lidat-1704999607347.jpg
www.cnnbrasil.com.br/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2022/05/07e_Cotoca_Screenshot_5.jpg?w=1220&h=674&crop=1&quality=85
and i don't even know from those picture, if those city stop at the end of it.
I'm not saying what we see here is on scale unknown of anywere else on earth, of course, but it's definitly on scale no one believed so far.
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Exactly. I'm one of the growing number of people who believe that civilization is older than we think. People who say, _"If that were the case we'd find evidence of it,"_ just aren't paying attention. We have. Numerous times, in fact. It's just that the finds are rare and sporadic, and there needs to be additional corroborating evidence in the same region before it can be considered significant. And in an unknown percentage of cases, the evidence is just dismissed entirely due to a preconception bias. Also, the lack of evidence only justifies not yet being convinced that something is the case. It doesn't, however, justify an outright refusal to consider the possibility. This is a major distinction that's lost on many people. There's an old saying that goes _"An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."_
I try to say that "known" civilization is what we're talking about. Who knows what there was that we'll never know about
The scientific community’s unwillingness to even address the many instances of sunken cities, massive stone placement, and precision cutting of extremely hard stone by peoples supposedly in an early agrarian state is infuriating. Before the advent of the internet, most of this was unheard of or relegated to the fringes, and careers were built and books written based on the assumptions formulated a hundred years beforehand, and what eminent professor wants to see the work of his lifetime overturned in the face of new evidence? And so grants are not bestowed, new evidence is ignored or explained away with nonsense, and anyone questioning the old paradigms is labeled a charlatan. How sad for all of us.
@@marcmelvin3010 Because modern day science is extremely biased. They won't tell you about some of the things discovered because history would have to be rewritten and they like the mess of information that they gifted the world
When miners find coins in coal seams, I take notice. That hints at millions of years 😳
Here’s the thing, an early thing to discover, ceramics, can last a long as time, we’re talking a million years. Bronze and other metals can also last a long time. Then in terms of modern type of civilization radioactive materials and some alloys last basically throughout the whole thing.
Realistically unless if it’s hidden under Antarctica (or the jungle like this) or under some coast line that is now deep under water due to sea levels rising after the ice age, not going to find something that really shakes up the narrative that much.
Yes we find neat stuff like this all the time, but it’s like finding sky pieces in a puzzle. I’m not saying that isn’t something in the pieces we’re missing, but it doesn’t really change the main object of the puzzle, unless if there’s something weird like a spaceship in the sky.
When I read about Perma culture I remeber someone stating that gardening is more productive per square meter than farming. Farming is more rational on a large scale though, especially with an abundance of energy like oil.
There is an acgricutural revolution of sorts taking place across African nations. They can’t rely on traditional crops due to not being able to rely on rain to come when needed. So, instead they are creating food forests that are sustanable and halt deserfication. India is adopting this too and has reversed desertfication in many areas.
@@cmhughes8057 Fascinating. Necessity is the mother of invention for sure.
Perma culture works really well, and would do so on a large scale, so long as pesticides etc, are not used. This will also improve the health of the people.
There does not have to be a war between permaculture and broad acre farming. Elements can be shared.
Not more, but almost as productive as AFAIK. But completely sustainable, without the need to use pesticides and herbicides and even expensive machinery, but more manual labor.
Love this Channel. You broach topics that are usually considered fringe/pseudo with an appropriate ammount of both skepticism & open-mindedness. It's refreshing!
Here in the Americas, for example in my country Colombia, has been told that indigenous tribes practiced a sustainable way of farming which involved multiple plots that were used one at a time for a limited period of time, so that they would to the next plot while letting the first one "heal" if I can use that word. That way, allowing the soil to recover nutrients and such while preserving the ecosystems around them and not over exploiting the soil.
The connection they had with the Earth, if you will.
OH, and they rotated their crops too! . . .Brilliant.
Yes, crop rotation and leaving a field “fallow” as they say, for a farming season is crucial for healthy soil, and a bit of manure from grazing animals doesn’t hurt 😂
Yep , that is practiced today . Also , plowing the remnants of the last crop into the soil provides composting and aeration . The problem with gardening is there are 8 BILLION (and growing) human beings .
Crop rotation was practiced in earlier times in Europe of course.
Not well understood here in Ireland but before you grow anything you must first grow the soil
As a soil scientist I am very impressed with your brief but clear explanation of oxisols.
Well done!👍
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@@TheAlison1456 ok full disclosure I don’t know what you are talking about. But if it’s kick ass music please point me in the right direction!
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Quick question from a dumB Person here. How is there so much plants if the soil is not good? I live in the almost desert of West Texas so I get (maybe, probably not) why only the most robust of plants survive here but it's called the "Amazon Forrest" because of the plants that grow in the soil. ? Please help me
@@BrolandMeeces The reason for the great plant abundance in the Amazon is a combination of prolific rainfall and the remoteness given the plants time to grow.
While those soils are very poor, if an adapted plant species is given sufficient time they can reach amazing sizes and complexity. BTW, this is why the deforestation we are seeing down there is madness. The clear land can only support very poor soybean crops or cattle grazing for a few years and then that original vegetation takes hundreds of years to grow back in order to repeat the cycle.
Also, interesting you mention West Texas and deserts. Deserts are actually some of the most fertile soils on earth because they don’t get enough rainfall to leach the nutrients below the plant root level. They aren’t very productive because there is not enough rainfall to sustain plants so they can take advantage of those nutrients.
Kinda interesting dichotomy.
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I still wonder what is beneath all the sand of the Sahara Desert. It's a vast area that we KNOW was "green" at one time. There are even theories that the early great accomplishments of Egypt may have been because of the people who came from the Sahara met/traded with the people coming from the Middle East, creating a blending of intellectuals who founded a great empire.
It's not that we (as a species) don't know. Instead of wondering, read it up.
e.g. scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=sahara+archaeology&btnG=&oq=sahara+arch
@@Sarafimm2 it’s crazy that what we consider “Ancient Egypt” was already ancient by the time of Cleopatra. If the Sahara was green at that time, no doubt it will contribute to the flourishing civilization, and the desertification of it conversely caused the decline of the civilization.
@@RadenWA fun fact ... cleopatra was closer to first iphone then to building of pyramids
Yeah apparently it was supposed to be really green as was Egypt they say that the sun's orbit has a cycle that changes every 5000 or 25000 years can't remember which
@@ashleymorris6636 greenland meteorite in ace age would create massive tsunami that would wash whole africa
If they built out of natural elements, mud, wood, etc., the Amazon would "eat" that up in months. Just a year later it would have completely decayed into the ground and the area covered in thick flora.
That seems plausible, and I don't know enough about jungles or building to disagree.
@@EGRJ I spent some vacations there. It is so lush, that if it wasn't for the biome, microbes, insects, other plants, etc., breaking down the detritus, the flor would be so littered and crowded it would be impossible to penetrate. As it is the flora is so dense in spots you can not get through it. It's a place so teeming with life you can feel it.
@@EGRJsame, I don’t know much about anything, so I agree with everything I read.
@@xelasomar4614 I've heard the jungle floor is dark even during daytime, is this true? I have been there but it looked quite bright during the day, however I didn't venture too deep to know what it's like further beyond.
@@xelasomar4614 in more ways than one im sure!
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22:51 "And we might've been building buildings, making laws, and fighting wars for much much longer than any of us knows." - That's rather a haunting thought.
Look up Graham Hancock, and if you have a bias against Joe Rogen, who he regularly appears on, please try and overlook that. Graham has devoted his life to lost civilizations, and presents interesting theories about the younger dryas climate catastrophe 11,600 years ago.
@@MH-yy2ix I came here to say this.
His Netflix show was great, too
@anon17472 Yeah! The show was good, but I really enjoy his long form presentations
@@MH-yy2ix absolutely.
When he and Randall Carson get together it blows my mind
Ancient civilisation theories can be really cool, many of them lead back to Atlantis, some of them tie into Ancient Aliens, but while entertaining, they have to be assessed critically. I like the narrative weaved by Graham Hancock, but I take issue with his call to arms against archaeologists and the scientific community. There's a lot of gaslighting there, and it often takes away from a genuine exploration of a cool theory in favour of an 'us versus them' mentality, when in truth the scientific community is not trying to shut down exploration into alternate theories on history and the development of humanity and society, they're just basing their core foundations on what can be proven with current scientific measures. As new evidence comes to light, as new techniques and technology are developed that can give us a better view of history, the scientific community will use those to change and redefine our understanding of the past, as we have done for thousands of years and as we will continue to do until the last of humanity is wiped from existence.
There are hints of this in North America as well. Some of the settlers at Jamestown had been on previous expeditions and expected to see people and cities they had visited before, only to find that they were all gone. John Lawson, writing in 1701 (and published in 1709) described the "writing" system used by some of the natives he met (it consisted of a bundle of notched reeds). The hot, humid climate of the area will destroy wooden structures in short order if they are not maintained.
Yessss! And from their accounts those cities were HUGE and VERY well populated. It's like if the Roanoke Colony happened to a modern day city. And I've never heard of reports or stories from other native people about what happened to them.
I went to a forest in Quebec over a decade ago, it was a rather thick forest, I think it was near Abitibi. While walking around I was surprised to find out the entire forest was actually a brimming logging town back in the day. Many people lived and worked there and it had roads and all sorts of trade amenities. Nothing was left, I found our all of this via message boards left by the trail masters, which included descriptions and maps and illustrations. You could never even tell it had all of that. The funniest thing about it? It had barely even been 80 years since people had left the town.
I look forward to every episode you post. You have a knack for story telling.
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It's interesting that the start of use of terra preta coincides with the start of the Classical era in the Mediterranean.
Haven't seen Thoughty2 in a while, more than a year or 2, glad to see he is doing great and making just as awesome if not better videos these days
The mustache gone🤌
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You make it sound like you never subscribed... yet you speaking of "just as awesome videos". Weird.
im sad he would take the fall into ai art, im glad i stopped watching his channel
@@KL6Soup Thanks for watching 👍
I have been watching you since you started thoughty2 and I'm still intrigued now as I was then. Thank you
Me too!
I really love your videos. Even if you post something I haven't studied and don't agree with. You give more than enough information for me to research on my own.
And I truly respect you for that!
Thank you for making videos in the style you are.
This makes far more sense to me than the Amazon being untouched. Just found your channel tonight, looks like I've got something new to binge watch!
THANK YOU THOUGHTY2!!! I had heard/read all of this before, but I still really appreciate your take on it. You do a magnificent job, love it!
Your content is some of the best on UA-cam, or for that matter on any service.
Thank you.
Bro is majestic, his vids are majestic, everything, honestly, the day I clicked your channel was a MYTHIC day, and absolute godsend.
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I struggle to sleep due to anxiety and PTSD; i have been watching these videos for years now and it sometime is the only thing that i need to watch to be comforted to sleep. It not boring at all!! I just find the way he speaks and communicates is so comforting.
Similar here. Try "end of civilizations".
Ah , I believe it was " death of civilizations".
If you're interested in the Lord of the Rings books or movies, Charlie Hopkinson has some really funny videos, "watch parties" with Gandalf, Boromir, Elrond, and others. They're so funny, they help with my anxiety. He does Star Wars, too.
You should listen to his audiobook Stick a flag in it. It's a great book and Arran narrates it. You'll have over 13 hours of comfort!
Thanks T-2. Enjoy your long episodes most of all. You have great content and you an excellent narrator. Appreciate you.
9:57 you're not dead until a European is there to record it
Wave function of your existance collapsed by European's mind!
What many don't know, is that the "rainforest" of the Amazon basin, is a relatively recent occurrence & that the previous, historical, farming & urban sprawl, was rendered possible by the importation or creation, of a rich black soil that is so fertile, that crops grown in it exceed all their normal specifications & bumper harvests become the norm. UnchartedX & The Brothers of the Serpent podcasts & YT videos, discussed this more than once. Virtually the entire area, was once ideal farmland, only becoming rainforest over the last millenia or so.
Yes, and no. Terra preta was created by the indigenous people, and they also built very long, low dams, because when the Amazon basin is in the wet season, water is everywhere and fish are hard to find (because they're so spread out) and when it's in the dry, the water (and fish) are all in the rivers. Yes, they did have an insanely productive agricultural system in the area. What you're misunderstanding (or possibly it's your sources who misunderstood), is that the agricultural system and the rainforest were the *same thing*. They didn't have open fields of grains and veggies and domesticated livestock like we think of when we say agricultural. No, instead they engineered the entire rainforest ecosystem to suit them. They planted crop trees, and smaller crop trees that grow under them, and crop bushes under those, and then manipulated the diversity and density of game species, too. Why have to tend to domesticated animals, when you can just go hunt, and be virtually guaranteed to bag meat (or eggs, or honey, etc.)?
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@@MrNyathi1 Yeah, it remarkable, and incredibly different from conditions elsewhere.
But be fair-eager as everyone in the West is to piss on the West, I think it would have been equally inconceivable for the Amazonians to imagine the vast wheat fields, herd of animals or extensive rice paddies that other civilizations used as basis for plentiful food. Just too different to imagine and back in the day, people didn't see a lot of different geographical conditions.
@@Trollificusv2 I'm not saying it as a diss to other farmers, none of us would be here without agriculture. Nevertheless, vast wheat fields are markedly inferior to the agricultural systems of the Amazon and the Eastern Agricultural Complex in terms of quality of food, preservation of other ecosystem goods and services, etc.
Herds of animals would have been inconceivable to them, though, because domesticating animals really is down to whether you have animals in the wild that you *can* domesticate.
@@MrNyathi1 Thank you for your response. This method has and still is used currently on the continent of Africa in villages.
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Great video as usual Thoughty2! ❤
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@@growingmelancholy8374 yeah? It's good
One of my favourite Thoughty2 episode ! Well done, congrats, and thank you !
Something my wife and I do is vertical gardening. We bought a vertical planter about 4 years ago, and it has produced more tomatos among other veggies than we can eat. So our family and friends are given what we can't eat. The watering, any minor weeding, etc. is easily managed. There is nothing tastier than your own homegrown veggies. Another aspect is that if you want it all to be organic, it's easier to do as a small group of plants. You can add grow lights and grow over the winter any plants suited for the season. We also grow herbs among other plants between annual flowers to ad even more variety. All this is done on very little square footage, especially the vertical planter.
They didn't have farming the same way we know but they I have heard indigenous people talking about the forests as gardens that they care for. They used to interfere in the forest without destroying it.
You've outdone yourself with this one man... one of your best videos so far! *a proud southamerican
Always jump from topic to topic.
Those 80 HDs keep running around!
But, I thought I'd stop and say thanks for the vids, bro.
There are always new things to learn. Things that shouldn't be forgotten. And points of view that we may not see or think about ourselves.
Thanx from the 405! Go Sooners 😊
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And the intense stare😅
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The title says just found out but we have new all this for years
This is one of your best videos. I am very impressed by the knowledge I learned on this. It seems so obvious once it's said.
The Amazon rainforest is so thick that KSI should write a song about it
It's so thick it could write a song for KSI
Im always seeing "Something found that rewrites history" and yet, the history books never change.
Yeah they do JM Roberts the history of the world has been revised on multiple occasions
As a baby boomer, history books have been rewritten!
Every college text book I have owned has multiple versions as they continue to add to the book.
Is it Burning Sand Sexploration or Burning sands exploration?
Because they're legislated by political factions more concerned with the pledge of allegiance than healthy inclusive learning environments ie teaching reality via proven method5
Wow...amazing and incredibly interesting video Thoughty2!😊
Since I first learned about this topic I have been thinking...what if the rainforest is only there because of this super soil they created? Imagjne that this civilization created this long term natural miracle grow, spread farming across the continent with it, then suddenly died off from plague. How fast would trees, shrubs, bushes, and vines suddenly take over the land?
I should go look up to see if anyone has done core samples on the amazonian jungle trees to see how old they are on average.
Core samples won't tell you how old the rainforest is..But the geological record shows us they were there for billions of years..Trees being on of the first things to evolve on land after replacing giant fungi..Without dense forests,dinosaurs could not have evolved..
@@eddiemilne4989 okay, I do get that trees have been around that long. I am just curious if THOSE trees were THERE for that long. If these structures are downright burried with jungle trees growing over them, either the trees grew over them at an extreme pace (implying that perhaps the jungle itself is newer) or the structures are incredibly old.
@@klosnj11 You are taking the word of one guy that these cities were there 200 years earlier,but strange that unlike Columbus he didn't bother bringing a souvenir or even better a local curious enough to want to see the outside world despite him having a boat which would be a marvel to people with only stone tools..Those lidar discovered cities could have died out thousands of years earlier as people migrated up river to the Andes where farming and metalworking had been discovered..Even with our modern technology we have only a vague idea where our ancestors were thousands of years earlier..The Incas.Mayans,Aztecs have more sketchy,even bizarre sky God type origin stories..Which the lost advanced civilisation nut jobs naturally jump on..
Looking into core samples is actually a good idea. I think its not only about age of trees, but also historical climate conditions and changes in land use over time.
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Minus Mr Ballen, I'm 100% with you. The only reason I'm not big on Ballen anymore is because he went through the paranormal stories so quick that now his new stories are more true crime and his constant pushing of better help when he of all people should not be doing that with a mental health company with that many problems being uncovered.
@@poolhalljunkie9 OH. I didn't even hear about the better health issue. What happened with that? And yeah the paranormal stories í miss alot.
@@Thekoryosmenstribepodcastthey were hiring unlicensed therapists
Always an amazing video with amazing content, thank you thoughty2!
That manhood ritual that involves putting bullet ants on your hand is absolutely ghastly
the charcoal was/is added to control for the smell of the other biowastes (animal remains and human sewerage) and to prevent microscopic diseases from leeching into the local subterranian waterways, with pottery shards functioning for the same purpose.
it's possible that someone noticed that dealing with waste this way lead to happy plants, including food plants, and then scaled it up.
such gardening is what permaculture is trying to be.
i wouldn't be surprised if mouldy leaf matter and other fungi sources were also used in the biowaste recycling.
maybe a higher number of produce gardens and a higher number of smaller biowaste treatment facilities and we'd have less pollution problems and increased food security.
hydrothermal carbonization technology looks promising.
and there are some areas in the world where building in wood and/or bamboo should be the standard, instead of wasting money on brick and mortar (initially symbols of wealth), such as regularly hit with natural disasters - floods, tsunami, storms, tornado, hurricane/cyclones, earthquakes and fires*.
this speculation brought to you by my higher education (including PhD candidature where I used some of these methods in a wet bio-research lab for non soil purposes), my hot neurospicy brain, 40+ years of pretty much reading everything in my vicinity, and my own practical gardening experiences and experiments.
*I'm looking at you, Australia
Unfortunately building with wood in areas of Australia would only be reclaimed by the termites, claiming land areas as their own. I do like the idea of implementing the gardening idea into my own spec of land here though. Love all your videos, thanks for sharing
The first food forest
@@velvetinapaddler575 what is this fuss about?
then you have a vegetable AND meat. That is permaculture pinnacle right here :D
Australia is hit with floods, cyclones and fires regularly. But steel structures are the ones that survive cyclones. And wood and bamboo are not particularly fireproof. No structures are very good at surviving inundation. The best way around this is to not build on floodplains, but that horse has bolted
Not much of the population live in the cyclone affected areas either
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@@Sevenine88and it’s lazy and dumb and going backwards.
Graham Hancock is a force of good for having popularised these topics.
I watched something about this in around 2010; channel 4 I think (UK)
This was especially good. I love your channel.
So thank you for all that you do. When do we get an update on the eye of the Sahara
13:34 But they analyzed the soil quality hundreds of years after that civilization vanished, keeping in mind that place is very dynamic in terms of weather, even 50 years of no human intervention in nature can result in a dense forest with poor soil quality for farming, soil quality only gets worse when there's a lot of vegetation.
Where I live you will see dense forests right next to big farmlands, then dense forests again, that doesn't mean farming isn't possible here, soil quality doesn't become ideal for farming by itself, you have to make it ideal.
Oh Boy, you have really got the cart before the horse here. Some soils are naturally more nutrient rich than others, depending on topography, climate, natural history, the components of the soil itself (silt, sand, clay, organic matter). But ALL of them are depleted by human agriculture the way we practice it. We HAVE to enrich soils that have been farmed this way after a few years with mined petrochemicals and fertilizers because we have depleted so many of the nutrients. After all, the crops we grow are not allowed to rot entire and return all of their chemistries and constituents back to the soil. But in natural environments that IS what happens.
The great apparent fertility of places like the Amazon is a consequence of really efficient recycling of the plant and animal nutrients. At any time, a lot of the elements necessary for agriculture are present, but they are largely incorporated in the living organisms. When the organisms die, those elements are returned briefly and then incorporated into new generations of living things.
Farmers in tropical rainforests have practiced slash and burn agriculture from time immemorial. They clear some land, burn the vegetation that was on it, thus enriching the soil, and get a few productive years of crops out of it. Then the fertility is exhausted and the farmers move on. This is the definition of unsustainable agriculture.
@@lkj974 Not entirely. NZ is always held up as an agricultural country but our soil is awful, thanks to it being temperate rainforest for millions of years.
@@JDWDMC It is not "awful" soil. But it isn't the infinitely productive food producing factory we want it to be. No soil is. Some have more productive capacity to start with, but all will become depleted in time.
The problem with most agriculture is that it views soils as passive matrices to hold nutrients to be converted into crops. We try and get more out of it and get it out faster than could ever happen naturally. So eventually we have to turn to external sources to "recharge" the depleted matrix. Our system of agriculture is not closed. It is not sustainable.
In truth, soils should be thought of as eco-systems, or even a kind of huge, colonial organism. Worms, bacteria, single cell organisms, fungi all work together to recycle the dead animals, dead vegetation, animal excrement and return nutrients to the soil so the cycle can begin again. But in a sustainable (closed) system, only so many nutrients can be withdrawn and they can only be withdrawn so fast. And the organisms I listed above are essential for that miracle of recycling to happen. Take more and the system breaks down. Eradicate the organisms and the systems natural fertility is destroyed. You have a desert instead of a garden.
Yes, the soil along the Amazon is very poor and unsuitable for agriculture. That's why nothing grows there. The soil in Anatolia where agriculture first developed is so much richer and more fertile. 😄
@@lkj974 No, it actually it is. It literally cannot retain nitrogen. We have a very limited natural biome. Introduced plant species like gorse have revolutionised the replenishment of native forests, once we learned to leave the gorse alone. The soil here isn't great for trees let alone agriculture.
Thank you so much for making all of your videos! Much appreciated.
Great job on this one, too. Thank you for all you do.
Did Thoughty just do a contemporary hip hop pun and a Game of Thrones pun in quick succession? 😮
Pun?
@roehouse2000 Look it up.
@@roehouse2000Perhaps quip would be a better description
Probably. He's of that nauseating generation.
Indisputably some of the consistently best content on the web.
Hello there, just a note about the amazon. I'm currently living in ecuador (South America) and remember how the amazon is supposed to be a huge water source and what not? Welp it used to feed the rivers of the highlands. THERE IS NO F×CKING WATER LEFT HERE. WANNA KNOW WHAT ELSE DEPENDED ON WATER?? ELECTRICITY. IT IS A MIRACLE THAT I'M WATCHING THIS. Ecuador was supposed to be a place where climate change was supposed to look way different. Maybe lots and lots of rain and what not. Now we're living through one of the longest droughts I've lived in this country
they prolly should stop geo engeenering, so you get your weather back from old days
@amoredtitan6903 🤦♀️ it's crazy to me how you can overlook the obvious explanation of climate change, and jump straight to the crazy option.
Claiming 0.0425% of the atmosphere that has a very narrow absorption spectrum and almost always fluctuates in quantity after temperature fluctuates is what controls climate is itself a crazy conspiracy theory.
@@whims6278 first of all learn some respect, just because you have an ignorant mind, doesnt mean that it isnt true what i said. it is in fact 100 % true, you know why? i can see legit they doing it over my hometown aswell, they fly their four cornerd patterns in the sky the you see the trails, after 1-3 hours the clouds dissapear. without clouds no rain nor shadows, ofc when you do this over a long period of time it will get hotter. thats a fact. you just see one explenation from one side , the side doing it. dont be ignorant, atleast do some effort and look other sources. btw geo engeneeing exist that also known and even said in media also 100% true. they doing legit a crime, thats why they wanna hide it and lie about it. you wanna know whats in thos trails? there are way better people out there then you and me, there is a german lawyer who actually investigated on that matter, and he found out there is aluminium and barium particles and more in those trails, btw those are not good for human and animals, you can learn yourself what that will do to humans. you know how he know? cause he had experts who analysed the water after rainfall, taht way you can find out what they using. he also founded the initiative called "sauberer himmel" and the guy is called dominik storr. so another one, there is an american woman who was like you, she didnt believe it, but she was not that ignorant, so what did this brave women do? she actually enlisted in that kind of company, she worked there for around 10 years... guess what she found out? watch it yourself, you can find it on kick since youtube sencors truth, i wonder why that is.... see young women, when i was younger i was ignorant and manipulated too, but we grow and learn, logic can be given from bad people and good people, just get infromation from both sides and then see whats happening in the world, then atleast you have a better opinion then most. i realy hope you learn the truth. cause there is so much evil happening RN around the world, laws for freedom are attacked around the western world, and there is a elite who wants controll. so much infromation on that, the W.E.F big tech and parts of governments try to take away your freedom, you shouldnt like that. the government is there to serve you, not the other way around.
@@whims6278 ok i gave you a very good explenation for it, but wow...youtube censors it..... another crime from youtube for freedom of speech, great job
Thoughty2 without a mustache is taughty2 !!!
This is one of the finest of your projects I have seen. Marvelous.
This is Thoughty1.
Thoughty2 is the one with a mustache.
(Thoughty3 has mustache & beard)
Highly interesting none the less 👍
ThoughtyThaw does the editing.
It would be ThoughtyFree not 3
That is not a jungle that is a man-made Garden Gone Wild!
And they were able to manage many farming practices through their process of making "Terra preta" a very micro organic rich soil that they used to make with charred wood
Thank you so much, I love learning and will share this with others.
I see a Thoughtytwo video....I click. No questions asked
Hello. Ditto! Love this guy! 👻🎃👹☢️
15:40 *Uh, yeah. Sorry, dude. That's still called farming/gardening. Nothing new.*
Edit: Felt that coming 16:48
Cool. Way cool. Thank you Thoughty. Most awesome dive into human ingenuity, as usual!!!
Thank you for bringing this up! Gardening is and has always been the answer.
42 must bring back the mustache!
I love your content! Thank you for the many videos!
Graham Hancock has been telling this story for many years now.
World of Antiquity with Dr Miano
Yes and isn't it liberating to hear a 'Mind of Quality' lending credence. Perhps they had Gardens during the building of Gobekli Teppe?
Thank you❤
Love your content dude keep up the great work
0:45 “the vegetation here is so thick that Nicki Minaj should write a song about it” Said Like a True Gentleman.
AWESOME video! Thanks so much for making this one.
Some years before the LIDAR-based discoveries, archaeologists and soil scientists had already discovered Terra Preta, but it took a good bit of research to understand it. Now, in the form of #biochar, it is transforming regenerative agriculture practices across the world. Nice legacy!
Botanists have also noted for some time that the Amazon contains areas with absurdly high concentrations of food trees....the descendants of those forest gardens you mention.
As to smallpox, I've often wondered if Orellana and his crew carried the plague with them as they journeyed down the river.
From what we know about contacts with previously uncontacted Amazonian tribes in the 20th century, it wouldn't necessarily require smallpox. Even the common cold would have killed many of them.
After the ancestors of the American Indians left Asia, they had no contact with Old World diseases for a very long time, and whereas a strong immune system is a useless burden in the absence of disease, over time the genes for strong immune systems almost disappeared as there was no need for that. So, when peoples from the Old World finally arrived the peoples of the Americas were practically defenseless against even mild illnesses. A case of the sniffles that a European might not even have noticed therefore could have killed millions.
Something similar goes on among winterovers in the Antarctic today. The last flight out leaves in February, the first flight in occurs in August - and although the new arrivals have no indications of illness all the winterovers come down with "the crud" within a week or two. It's usually something between a bad cold and a mild flu, and it is caused by all the accumulated evolution of microbes in the rest of the world over just six months. For people in the wider world the changes happen gradually so they never notice, but when they all strike at once it produces two or three days of sickness.
@@alanlight7740 Their immune systems were plenty strong. They were exposed to diseases and allergens and other things with antigens that immune systems will react to. They just weren't exposed to Eurasian/African diseases, and there's a common factor to the Old World diseases that made them particularly nasty, and particularly common around the Old World humans: a lot of them are zoonoses, diseases of animal origin. In the case of TB, a soil bacterium became a bovine pathogen became a human pathogen. Flu is a bird virus that could infect pigs, and pig physiologies remixed them into human versions. We've lived alongside domestic animals harboring these nasties for a very long time, and the inhabitants of the New World hadn't: the one disease they had lived alongside for a long time was syphilis, which was originally from llamas and vicuñas and guanacos, and I'll let you put two and two together how _that_ became a human disease.
@@alanlight7740 That's more the strains being different than actually stronger. You see colds going around like that in college towns as well, simply due to people coming from all over bringing various different strains with them.
Graham Hancock is big on this exact idea. He proposes that there was a civilization there up to 20,000 years ago +
He also looked into the genetic markers of the native population and they are closely related to Polynesian and Australian natives. Not from North America or the land bridge to Russia or Asia, which is what the popular consensus was.
Cool stuff
Thanks for covering these new findings in your unique way! 😃
0:16 in a Galaxie far far away.
Best comment.
The oral traditions of the peoples living in and around the Amazon say those cities weren't built by the Aztecs, Incans, or Mayans. They were there long before they were.
Aztec and Mayans are from North America
Umm, They are not geographically connected.
I think the point was that of the established known "advanced" civilizations, they were established well after these ancient Amazonians had either been established or were in their decline.
@@Ramondenner1991 I used the word "around" and didn't specify the range. My bad. Yeah I meant ALL of those civilizations. Not just IN the Amazon. I thought everyone would figure out the obvious.
@@Ramondenner1991 ani indians are from North America, you know in past they come from Alaska to North America and then trought Mexico to a south America anyway.... 20-40 000 years ago. :D
Awesome video, as always! Thank you for all this information.
Ai? Where the thumbnail? Man you could of paid a human only like 30 dollars for the image but no ask Ai for it..
I remember reading about this in High school text books back in 1997. Its been a WIDELY held belief. Graham Hancock wrote a best seller about it too.
Wasn't he banned by mainstream archaeologists. Branded a liar and fool, I bet they'd be screaming silently into their journals.
Cracking video Thoughty2, however you should have finished the video with an aerial view of the Amazon river with an overlap of the Eastenders theme tune 😆
18:12 You mean Terra Negra!
You mean Terrific Nergal from WoT? :D