Johnny I usually like your videos but, this wasn’t researched well, In Plato's dialogues, it is mentioned that his ancestor, Solon, traveled to Egypt and learned about Atlantis, he reportedly encountered priests who informed him of the story of Atlantis, describing it as a powerful and advanced civilization that existed thousands of years before his time. This account is presented in Plato's dialogues "Timaeus" and "Critias," where the story of Atlantis is elaborated upon. Both Egypt and Greece describe Atlantis and the Egyptians trace their royal lineage to the rulers of Atlantis
Sonchis of Sais the Priest who told the story to Solon didn't use the word Atlantis, he said it was the ancient homeland city of the Egyptians. Plato himself coined the word Atlantis after the Atlantides who were the Hesperides from Hesperia. Plato thought the homeland of the Egyptians was the Greek mythical Hesperia. In Greek myth Heracles visits Hesperia during one of his Labors.
Not doing research and spreading missinfo as fact is johhny's specialty. Ryan mcbeth recently made a video exposing all the misstakes in his recent video
Johnny really, really dropped the ball on the video. Essentially, Johnny said “Oh yeah. Atlantis? Totally 100% fake and a result of out of control God of the Gaps theory. How do I know? I was there when Plato first received the news from someone lost to time. He was just making stuff up because he was tryna rizz up the Oracle of Jojo ‘Joestar’ Siwas. He was totally making stuff up. Solon? Ok see you later?? Anyway, you guys are r*cist for thinking white people could’ve actually built an advanced civilization without taking it from someone else. They disappeared and their home was destroyed when the rest of the world was still thousands of years behind them. Suuuure.” I mean Johnny apparently can’t grasp the concept of a 1st world country like America becoming so far ahead of let’s say Sierra Leon that it seems to be otherworldly that the 1st world lost EVERYTHING. But I’m sure that the concept that we can have a candy bar delivered to your door at 4 a.m., get on a plane to Asia at 5 a.m., and be back home In less than 24 hours is UNDENIABLE that we are the most advanced we’ve ever been. How’s the 1/1 reconstruction of the Great Pyramid going again? Impossible? Huh. That’s strange…
think you may have gotten a few things wrong. i could be wrong but I thought plato heard the legend of Atlantis myth was passed down from his great-grandfather... (Solon?), he didn't just "make it up" to explain other things. As i understand it, at the time he learned it it was considered an ancient myth- and lumping in Graham Hancock and Randell Carlson in with the BS on History Channel is a bit disingenuous. Graham has never claimed Atlantis existed. All he's ever said is that there's a lot we can't explain about the past esp regarding megalith construction and that we just need to stay open to the fact that there might be more technologically advanced civilizations that have been all wiped out form the geological record. if you take the myths seriously, which I think he's laid out a GREAT case for why we should, then Atlantis, or something real that the stories were derived from, isn't a crazy idea. And in the thumbnail you used the richat structure yet used GH and RC's faces over it. I know GH totally disagrees with this being a probable spot for atlantis. you should have used Jimmy Corsetti, of bright insight if you want your story to be accurate. might not seem like much but it matters when you are beating the drum of only what science decides having any bearing on understanding our past.
He didn't care about getting anything correct or nearly correct. He is selling a poster. That's it. He is making people who believed in these maps to be romantic dreamers and they represent a cautionary tale of buying into anything just because people are selling it and the story around it sounds neat. Like the fucking stupid poster he is trying to sell because he bought the originals of some asshole who in no way is remembered by anyone who isn't carrying a degree in historic hoaxes would know anything about. It's absolutely selling something he claims has value because he will only make 500 of em. Like who the fuck cared about the original nevermind his fucking poster of them.
Graham Hancock when the massive ancient globe spanning civilization may not be a group but actually different people that had the same ideas (impossible)
Graham Hancock when the massive ancient globe spanning civilization may not be a group but actually different people that had the same ideas (impossible)
@@coconut7490 That has always been my biggest pet peeve about the modern consensus. Yeah, let's just assume they had the same ideas coincidentally and ridicule anyone who suggests a cause and effect for this. Same thing with language, people like Hermann Muller and now the Nostratic linguists are often ignored because it's already been accepted 20 years ago that "it's a coincidence", and now any new evidence against that is lumped into "it's a coincidence" group with no re-evaluation of the total weight of the evidence. It's like they have selective blindness, they look at each case individually and refuse to ever actually look at them in relation to each other. Yeah I'm sure Brahma/Saraswati and Abraham/Sarah have nothing to do with each other, what a bunch of horseshit.
It may be worth noting that historians didn't think Plato's Atlantis was real, but it's equally noteworthy that Plato NEVER said that it was just allegorical pontification. Just go read what he said yourselves, and you will see that he talks about it as a real part of human history. Historians just ASSUME that he made it up, similar to how they assumed the city of Troy wasn't real until it was found. It's actually pretty annoying, on par with anthropology dismissing thousands of native histories as myths because they don't fit into the one "true" narrative that they have curated. The same narrative that rejected history being longer than 6,000 years old until Gobekli Tepe was found and dated to 12,000 years old. Anatomicslly modern humans have been around for over 300,000 years, so to say that there definitely weren't any civilizations until the last 4 or 5 percent of history is not science, it's dogma.
Agreed! Do I think they were super advanced? Eh probably not cause we don't have any artifacts. But I'm sure humans were around doing stuff a lot earlier than we currently have evidence for!
Well said! It's the same reaction from today's tenured archeologists as geologists back in the day when Alfred Wegener first proposed the theory of Continental Drift with the clear eyed observations of the shapes of continents and the similarity of species where they once connected. But all the geologists of the day booed him off the stage, without any consideration of his theory, because it was counter to their entrenched views and because he was a meteorologist by training. But he was also a trained observer without the ossification of the imaginary faculties too often conveyed by influential teachers. Jump forward to today when Johnny is presenting the once decried theory that scientists now totally accept as part of the presentation. Yes, at that time they did not understand plate tectonics, but they didn't really give Wegener's theory a real hearing. Now in the time I've been reading about ideas of a lost ancient civilization, we have learned more out about the Younger Dryas catastrophes between 12, 800 to 11,500 years ago ( right at the time frame Plato dated the destruction of Atlantis, btw) and seen the most ancient organized societies emerge in Turkey dated during this same time frame. Atlantis may have been only one part of a world-wide civilization -- with a technology advanced but different from our own -- but no serious researcher today is proposing Scott-Elliot's fantasies. Johnny, I love your work, but you are at risk of doing the same thing Wegener's critics did -- hanging on to the status quo when serious, intriguing questions are being raised.
No archaeologist says “There definitely weren’t any civilizations until the last 4-5% of history.” They say “We have no evidence of civilizations before the last 4-5% of history.”
It's not that historians assumed Plato made it up, but rather that there is no evidence beyond his remarks on Atlantis. No other ancient texts or sources mention Atlantis, and it's difficult to claim it was a real place based on just one person's account. Additionally, there is no physical evidence supporting the existence of Atlantis. With the story of Troy, there are multiple sources and accounts of the Trojan War, along with substantial physical evidence. Regarding the claim that anthropology dismisses thousands of Native histories as myths, it’s true that in the past, some anthropologists held that view. However, this is no longer the case. Today, Indigenous oral histories are frequently used by anthropologists and archaeologists to better understand cultures and to discover new sites once inhabited by their ancestors. For instance, if you look into archaeology in British Columbia, you'll find many examples of Indigenous communities and archaeologists collaborating to uncover and preserve history. One key thing to understand about archaeology is that it seeks to explore history's unknowns through evidence. It is not based on dogma. While we cannot say with certainty that human civilizations existed 200,000 years ago, because there is no proof, the dates given for early civilizations are based on the evidence currently available. That said, archaeologists and anthropologists are open to revising these dates as new discoveries emerge. While some individuals may resist change, that is not representative of the entire field.
Was so excited to see the Richat structure on my youtube recommended just for it not to be mentioned the whole time and instead some random fanfic map from the 1800s and him trying to sell it as a poster
@@garybusey9645then why use it in the thumbnail !? If there are holes in that theory i wanted to know but not a single mention of it is disappointing.
@paramjoshi2581 He obviously used it for clickbait. There are plenty of ancient advanced civilisation enthusiasts posting theories about it if you're interested. But apart from having the same shape, there isn't really anything else to suggest it could be Atlantis. There have been loads of neolithic sites examined in and around the structure that would predate Atlantis, yet no evidence found of an ancient advanced civilisation.
@garybusey9645 could at least talk about what wholes those are. I don't know them to this day, plus there's no big channel talking about it that I know of.
"even if it looks sciency, and has a lot of big scientific words... That doesnt make it true" What a good quote that many people need to hear. Edit: people in my comments took this way out of context, try not to feed the trolls
ya. He makes quality videos... so its super disappointing when he spouts off the MOST absurd talking points that you would normally only hear from The Guardian or some other outlet that is just constantly pushing propaganda... the idea that anyone who is interested in the idea of a potential global ancient civilization is inherently using the same theory that the Nazis used to connect Atlantis to the Germans is completely pathetic.. and widely dishonest.
@@lordrichardson4447 I think he exemplifies for me the idea of someone who sounds really knowledgeable until they talk about something you are knowledgeable about and then you realize how satisfied they are to regurgitate talking points without concern for doing their due diligence to investigate and verify. He just put out a short regurgitating headlines about infowars being sold to the onion and completely neglected the controversy around the 'auction' entirely. It feels a bit like when you realize that your parents or teachers don't know any more about a subject than you do and that they speak with authority not because they know more and want to help but because they want not to be confronted or challenged.
Johnny doing the meme here - if you can't make a good argument against an idea, just imply it's racist. Easy, argument won. Oh and add lots of well produced graphics and music to make it sound, as Johnny says, "sciencey". The irony.
Actually a rectangle with manageable size stones is the most practical way to construct millenia old structures. Transporting 100 ton stones and stacking them hundreds of feet high is extremely un practical and even with our most advanced technology it's extremely difficult to transport one 50 ton stone several miles, yet we find these structures all over the ancient world. If it was so easy and practical there would be an easy to understand explanation for this phenomenon yet "experts" offer dozens of different explanations that don't properly explain half of the mystery.
@@acetate909its almost like the rock quarries used were right next to the pyramids in nearly every case. Seriously, you are beyond stupid if you actually believe that people couldn't figure out how to stack rocks. It's not hard and has been proven countless times how it was done
Plato did not pull the idea of Atlantis out of thin air. The story came down to him from his ancestor Solon, who heard the story of Atlantis from priests in Egypt. The story was said to be so old that the papyrus scrolls it was written on were disintegrating, and were being transcribed onto the temple walls to preserve it. And the date given for the destruction of Atlantis was very specific, not random. And it turns out that the date given was the exact time of catastrophic flooding and sea level rise at the end of the ice age.
@@guyandalaptop434 Hence in my mind all of humanity's knowledge as science is just a thing what we can or we can not BELIEVE. It is a ridiculous belief system! Yes we can test anything, but can we test everything? Hmm ..
Nah, The story of Atlantis comes from a festival speech of Plato, in which 3 fictional characters meet and one of them, Critias of Athens talks about this story he got from his grandfather who got it from Solon who got it from Egypt. It is very obviously an allegory and was preceded by a story about how Phaethon, sun god Helios son scorched the earth during a joyride with his fathers chariot.
What a disappointing conclusion. Calls himself a scientist then refutes any way to stay open to the possibilities. I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
@@deltaxsingh true, but only small part of those wild speculations turned out to be true... so we can just hope this is the case with Atlantis and keep on speculating
I wasn’t good. The book he’s basing it off has nothing to do with Graham Hanncocks or Carlsons theories. The books first page says “Lemuria” which neither have ever mentioned. Lemuria is easily debunked as related to regions of where Lemurs spread from. This is a cherry picked, vague hack job form of Journalism, he then stemmed the modern movement of people theorizing potential ancient civilizations and connected them to Lemuria & the bases that Hanncocks arguments are based off of views from the story of Noah which is where the whole Aryian shit comes from which Hanncock doesn’t support. It’s Johnny getting paid by “big archeology”. Usually love Johnnys videos too & the non-partisan view from his journalistic perspective but this is his worst video yet promoting straight biases. A twenty minute video isn’t gonna debunk something that has many more arguments than Johnny has proposed. PS I don’t even believe in Atlantis, I do believe this is hit job journalism here.
Talking about how Atlantis wasn’t real in a video about maps, while using a thumbnail of the Richat structure and not mentioning the maps that show Atlantis at the Richat structure is ironic
We wish the ancient world was as simply as we know. The issue is that there's so many gaps of knowledge that it's unreasonable to think that we know it all from it's Inception until today.
Literature purges did not helped at all... Spaniards burned the shit out of 500 years of knowledge here in south America ... But hey, look at the bright side, we got syphilis and gonorrhea.
Yes! Especially from a history of modern, intelligent humans that extends 250,000+ years. Our very spotty documented history goes back only ~5% of that time. It is unlikely humanity only started playing with rocks and stones only 12,000 years ago. This video tries to emulate Plato as a parable to caution people against psuedoscience, but also curiously dismissive of how many more mysteries outside Atlantis that we have not even begun to unravel.
I couldn't get through Graham Hancock's show because it's so unbelievably stupid. I thought I could stomach it because of the beautiful B-roll of archaeological sites, but no. I made it 3 episodes in before I couldn't stand the stupid. The problem is he starts from a premise I largely agree with (ice age civilization was probably a lot more advanced than we generally think) and then jumps to THEY SPANNED THE GLOBE AND HAD AIRPLANES AND BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS, and never shows any evidence at all. Because there isn't any. Meanwhile he has an episode talking about how humans have been in North America for far longer than we traditionally believed, saying "archaeologists don't want you to know this," WHILE HE'S TALKING TO AN ARCHAEOLOGIST WHO WORKS ON THE SITE, TELLING YOU ABOUT IT. He's a classic grifter who baits you by telling you that what "they" told you is a lie, so you believe whatever he says.
17:49 "Atlantis which was constructed by Plato as a parable to teach people has no bases in empirical fact." this sentence is so ironic because Atlantis being a 'parable' constructed by Plato to teach people has no bases in empirical fact.
Yeah right? IMO Maybe it’s just an analogy of the pre-flood world. Im not sure if you believe the flood happened or not, but every ancient civilization on earth did. Maybe that’s all he’s talking about in the writing of Atlantis that we have.
@@docvaliant721 Do you have any other ancient sources for Atlantis besides him? And correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t we only have a few sentences from his words? I haven’t researched it much.
00:04 Maps suggest Atlantis may have been a real place. 02:26 Atlantis symbolizes a utopian parable rather than a real civilization. 04:35 Exploring Atlantis as a lost civilization linking ancient cultures. 06:56 Clairvoyant powers influenced early pseudo-science in the study of Atlantis. 08:50 Exploring the prime of Atlantis as theorized by William Scott Elliot. 11:02 Atlantis was a sophisticated, advanced civilization with unique technologies and capabilities. 13:10 Atlantis sunk in 9564 BC, spreading advanced knowledge globally. 15:24 The myth of Atlantis fueled racial superiority ideologies in the 20th century. 17:41 The myth of Atlantis lacks empirical evidence despite its allure. 19:45 Exploration of 1900 Atlantis map reflects mystical historical fascination.
love your videos Big J but i'm not really a fan of how generative AI is being quietly slipped into your videos without explicit disclosure. i'd prefer AI not be used at all but if you absolutely must, the least you could do is label where it's used on screen.
Thanks for this feedback, you're spot on. We used it to create some initial imagery which our (very talented) animator then took and spent weeks developing into what you see in the video. I'll add this to the video description and do so moving forward if and when we use AI generated imagery. We're learning as we go how to implement, and appreciate your thoughts.
@@johnnyharrisI dont mind you using it, but I did come to comment and just poke fun at that in general. As a 3D artist I gotta keep my eyes sharp to discern the difference ya know
That's a fine direction to go in for the video, but it would have been cool to discuss the fact that there was a period during the ice age when sea levels were hundreds of feet lower, meaning untold numbers of coastal towns and villages (perhaps cities too) legitimately are underwater now. Missed opportunity for a map lover and geography guy.
Very true and most likely a lot of the people that believe Atlantis could’ve been real believe it could’ve been off the coast of west Africa, something happened in Mauritania there are water striations that could have been part of the Atlantis story, but after hearing both sides of the story and hearing from a third person point of view and putting it together, you can’t just completely deny the existence…especially after making a whole video about it😂
Mesopotamia is the oldest known "modern" civilisation and it is dated at 4000-3500 yrs B.C. The glacial maximum you are referring to occurred 16,000 years prior. Hence I don't believe modern civilisations would have been lost to marine transgression. I'm sure plenty of settlements would have been lost to marine transgressions.
@@penance_for_peterNoone can disagree with that Peter. However, I'd like to argue that our understanding of early civilizations could be flawed in particular due to survivor bias. For example, maybe we accept the idea that "modern" civilizations started with Mesopotamia only because we haven't discovered any civilizations that existed earlier? I think many would agree that the discovery of ruins from an even earlier civilization would rival our common belief regarding the start of human civilization in Iraq. I'm sure before Mesopotamia was hypothesized as the first civilization, it was a later civilization, and a later one before the former's discovery. Nevertheless, this is just my personal thoughts on this matter. But I want to be clear that I also don't think they would've been as technologically advanced as many fantasizers believe they were.
@@penance_for_peter Oh how outdated your facts are. Look into the origin story of Mesopotamia they say they come from a older civilization that was lost to a flood. They say they come from the fish people. Now you have Göbekli Tepe that dates back to 10,000+ you have the younger dryer impact hypothesis that caused the icecaps to melt. New evidence of lost civilization in the amazon that housed millions of people.
@@StandinOnBuniss 'proved' is not the right word, not even Jimmy says he has proved it, and he aknowledges the theory he supports wasnt originally made by him, he wasnt the creator to connect the eye of the sahara and atlantis
just imagine archeologists in the future going over fandom wikis and doing the same thing the history channel does with these maps. They were essentially someones worldbuilding fantasy from a few centuries ago
I was surprised not to see the more plausible theory of an island just off the Atlas Mountains that developed a culture when the Sahara was green. It is worth pursuing that idea when addressing a topic like this one.
yes, the name Atlas predates Plato and these ideas of "Aryan" people right? The Berbers(i think), from the region have stories of a king named Atlas, i think theres too much focus on the word Atlantis, this could be a game of telephone
@@stevenkmorrison I believe you are referring to the Map of the World according to Herodotus, as there is no Plato Map that shows Atlantis in Western Africa. Nonetheless, it should be noted that these are actually modern day interpretations of ancient written descriptions, since there are no surviving maps that were drawn by Plato or Herodotus, themselves. In fact, the Herodotus map was published in 1894.
I like how people explain similar structures on different continents are bc of aliens, when a big triangle shape thing is literally the most stable building possible, while getting closer to the 'gods'.
The "stable triangle building" observation makes sense. But it's still pretty interesting if these triangle buildings have similar astronomical alignments, have similar myths surrounding them, have similar non trivial building techniques between ancient people separated by continents (or seemingly centuries). We're all human- so if all of those things are in common just because of human brains, that's almost as interesting as the idea there was some shared information somehow.
@@nightcrayonDont forget confirmation bias. Big stone triangles hold up against the test of time. The cultures were very different, there was a bit of convergent evolution but thats seen all over the world. The reason the pyramids are all over the world is because they are vaguely indestructable and very basic.
@@TheSkulldan Yes, but I'm saying there are more similarities than just "it's a pyramid". If similar myths or construction techniques (not just the geometric similarity of the end result) existed on supposedly completely separate cultures with no contact, that's worth investigating as well.
@nightcrayon Yes I know, thats why I said things such as "convergent evolution". All people could do back then was observe laws of nature (life, death, hunger and illness) and try to explain it, thats where similar but massively different ways of thinking have come to be and why there are hundreds of religeons around the world. I dont think it needs much more rational than the human brain isnt going to be too specially different anywhere in the world you go.
It doesn't make sense how it seems that when they all left because of the flood, they forgot 95% of their technology? If they were truly that developed, they would be able to take that technology with them.
that's a bit of an assumption there Jarod. AI is a VERY recent thing - & still very much a work in progress in terms of generating images. humans are more than capable of creating realistic images - where do you think movie, TV & gaming images come from? AI? - hardly. in the future, maybe - in the present & past, nah, still human creations.
in the words of miniminuteman, you're telling me that different civilizations all figured out how to stack rocks in the most basic fashion? It must be aliens.
I think modern humans forget that ancient humans were also… human. The same brain that got us to space and built computers was around thousands of years ago. Given enough time and focused effort, they were quite ingenuous in many ways. I used to think like that too but when you go to museums and see the tools and artifacts, read about different inventions throughout the centuries, you realize humans have always been cleaver and we weren’t just scraping by doing nothing for thousands of years until all the sudden the Industrial Revolution happened. Humans were constantly tinkering.
Plato is the goat storyteller! Thousands of years later he still manages to make hundreds of thousands completely unhinged with a single one of his stories.
But the Richat Structure isn't the Atlantis, or a part of it. But I can agree it very intriguing looking. I can't of course prove anything, but I believe in what some mediums says, and it pretty much is where the maps shows it is. The YT channel Rammsteinregeln has some videos on Atlantis with mediums explaining. Don't forget that there are maps several hundred years old that shows the exact maps of the south pole, even though they shouldn't be able to know, unless if they had technology for it.
YES! I really wish he made an addendum section to tease that possibility… the Richat structure where that island was located in Mauritanian western Sahara was literally used on the VIDEO THUMBNAIL…
@@jbones360 I guess no one have been able to avoid the videos from Brightside by Jimmy Corsetti, I bought his story first but have changed my mind later on. Not sure if Brightside side is the correct name, but something like it.
There have been dozens of archaelogical digs at the Richat structure. They've found hundreds of artifacts from hunter-gatherers spanning thousands of years, and yet they haven't found a single shred of evidence for any large sclae settlement, let alone a hyper advanced seafaring empire. If you think that the Richat structure is Atlantis, you'd have to believe that some great cataclysm wiped away every last molecule of Atlantis, but somehow didn't destroy 15,000 year old speartips.
No. Timaeus, who tells the story, notes that it is based on research done by Solon into the tale (specifically names and their meanings). Solon is said to have found that early Egyptians writings, which he was able to translate, and thus gain the information sought. Then Timaeus says that his great-grandfather had obtained the original writing, which ended up in Timaeus possession. Solon (670-560 BCE) lived long before Plato (428-423 - 348 BCE). Hope that helps to clear things up 😊
Timeaus was a writing/book by Plato where he recounts the tale of Atlantis, as it was recounted through his family, according to the account of his great uncle, Solon. According to Plato’s recounting, Solon learned it from Egyptian priests and scholars and was shown the historical recordings within the library of Alexandria. Why it was historical recordings, is because Atlantis was the land that the ancient Egyptians hailed from.
Solon was told by the priests in egypt that it existed 8000 years before (that was when solon walked the earth so more like 12 to 14k years ago today) and they stated that pre-dynastic Egyptians came from there@@mejuliie
@@brianpartridge5654 That is irrelevant. Also, there is an exact description of atlantis and where it is to be found - ".. Atlantis which was, according to reports, an island, once larger than Libya and Asia combined. But nowadays having been submerged during an earthquake, it acts as a barrier of mud obstructing those who wish to sail out into the open ocean from there." Which is a place we know did not exist. People at the time were aware that Asia was huge - from their knowledge that it at least extended into India. So, no. They didn't think it was a tiny island. If you want to believe into something, that's great. But at least do your due diligence and actually know what you are talking about.
Ridiculous! Everyone knows that Atlantis was a city in the Pegasus Galaxy constructed by the Ancients, abandoned 10,000 years ago after losing a war with the Wraith. DUH!!
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But they constructed it in the Milky Way galaxy and it spent quite some time on the Earth in Antarctica.
Plato attributes his knowledge of Atlantis to Solon, a renowned Athenian statesman and lawgiver who visited Egypt around 600 BCE. During his visit, Solon reportedly engaged with Egyptian priests in the city of Sais in the Nile Delta. The priests shared with him ancient records about a powerful island civilisation, Atlantis, that existed thousands of years earlier. These records were said to be preserved on temple walls and in written accounts, documenting a catastrophic event that led to Atlantis’s destruction.
You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story made up by Plato. Do you think that in two thousand years people are going to be looking for the lost continent of Westeros?
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story. BTW Solon was the ATHENIAN statesman who invented democracy.
Should be Milo Rossi. Graham is making claims to things Johnny Harris doesn't specialize in, it would be a waste of 3 hours as Graham can say anything and Harris would refute without evidence.
Here’s another way to find Atlantis on a real map: Plato created the story of Atlantis as a parable, but what recent events had inspired him in coming up with this story? There’s the Helike Ruins which was a city in Ancient Greece, which got submerged by a tsunami in 373 BC, during the lifetime of Plato. It’s not an advanced civilization, but it may well have contributed to the Atlantis story with the idea of a sunken city. The coordinates are (38.222E, 22.132N)
Actually there are at least 5 cities (remains of habitations) in the Aegean under water (In mind comes Kehries in Corinth and Paleopolis in Andros). Also in Asia Minor (todays state of Turkey) there is the opposite effect of cities becoming remote from the sea. In the ancient Greek, the term MYTH, μῦθος, refers to unrecorded history, rather than to recorded one, ἱστορία. However, the current historical narrative is religiously biased and consequently avoids the discussion of alternative civilizations; the people still believe the out of Africa hypothesis instead of Denisovian hypothesis as the original species source in order to support the historical aspect of the Eden myth in the middle east.
3:37 it is not true that the scientist in the scientific revolution were "displacing the old explanation that God was responsible for all reality" on the contrary they were seeing more evidence for a divine Creator. To quote Sir Isaac Newton, after proving that our universe operates on laws in his book The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy he says: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being."
Funny that the only thing in common with the "pyramids" of Egypt and of Latin America is that they're build with a strong wide square base and get small at the top, made of the most abundant material available: stones. That's pretty much it, there are so many more differences that ordinary History Channel viewers just completely ignore.
The rocks on the giza plateau were never available there 😉 The quarry for the more than 2, 300, 000 blocks of granite and limestone weighting around 2.5 tons each are considered to be brought from quarries over 500 miles away. The main theory is that they did this during Khufu's lifetime (29 years) more than 4000 years ago. Totally feasible 🤣
@@ifancybeer 'I can't understand how amcient people did it, so they simply must have not built the pyramids'. You underestimate what forced labour of tens of thousands of people can do over 25 years, threatened to be killed if they dont work. Also, there were these things called 'wheel' and 'carts' and 'horses' that existed, that even were responsible for world trade, such as trade between Egypt and the Mediterranean, which was a lot more than just the stones on the pyramid, every single year
Yeah, sinilar to saying "oh my god, people live in these closed structures with a ceiling, and entrance point, all over the world. Must be a centralised civilisation that they got this mind-blowing, unthinkable idea from "
@@Aa_rush9 Are you making the case that they were able to move 2.5ton blocks with carts and horses for over 500 miles away over 2 Million times!? If they had 10 18wheeler trucks available that would require 5750 round trips with all the trucks. Imagine the project management skills required to make sure that tens of thousands of the supposed forced labour would craft every block with copper tools with the the amazing precision of the great pyramid after solving the rock moving problem. It's not just rock stacking...take a look at the grand gallery, the king's chamber and the release chambers above, the amazingly precise shafts...again all of this over 4000 years ago... You say I'm underestimating...might be and we will probably never know the full truth of it, but if you are honest with yourself you'll see that there are huge leaps of faith to believe the giza pyramids were built the way you believe they were.
@@Aa_rush9 actually yes you kind of debunked your self there. it is almost mathematically impossible to have separate unconnected societies develop in similar ways around the world, develop housing in a similar way, use the stars to navigate, build megalithic structures etc etc. We know this because even today we find primitive societies never influenced by others and they have zero traits we would consider to be civilized, some even lacking a language of their own.
I agree with you. As with most things in history or mythology, there tend to be a actual history which is exaggerated and so become mythology. I think Atlantis existed, but I think a lot of what is believed about Atlantis is myth.
I like to believe that Atlantis did indeed exist, and that we're slowly uncovering its story. But its story is not one of success. It is one of the darkness that hides in human nature, and of how a society can completely wipe themselves out when they remain slaves to their own egos.
I love how the people who try to prove Atlantis is real are willing to disregard a million things that don't match whilst themselves have zero tangible evidence other that a paragraph of a written work that's thousand years old by a renowned storyteller who's known to use metaphor like examples in his work.
@akiikikasaija9321 your comment is stupid in so many levels i shouldn't even entertain it but anyway. They got their names from atlas you know the titan of Greek mythology???
Plato's Critias says he heard the story of Atlantis from his grandfather, who had heard it from the Athenian statesman Solon (300 years before Plato's time), who had learned it from an Egyptian priest, who said it had happened 9,000 years before that.
I’m 100% sure that Atlantis is actually the Minoan civilization that lived on the island of Crete 3,500+ years ago. And during their time they were a maritime power in the Mediterranean. It’s cities had complex hydraulic systems, and the civilization began declining after a volcanic eruption on the island of Santorini or Cithara. And they traded with Egyptians at their height. It’s Solon of Athens who claimed to find Egyptian records of Atlantis. Which Plato was inspired by to create the story of Atlantis.
Depends on if you're talking about the city of Atlantis or the Island of Atlantis. The city would have been on the Eye of the Sahara and might be the first city from the Bible. The island of Atlantis story is based on the island of Hesperia which is Cyprus. The Minoan civilization of Crete was likely the last of the surviving boat masters of old Atlantis who become the Phoenicians. Asterion who the Athenians make into a monster was known as the half Bull because he was the son of Tectauus the Bull. Asterion was the King of Crete who named the constellations after his family. Taurus is named after his father Tectauus. His grandfather Dorus is considered Heracles to the Dorians. And his great grandfather Hellen is patron of all Greeks and is thought to be the mythical Perseus.
I was thinking the exact same thing! Blatantly promoting a scanned print of a map that’s basically someone’s fantasy? Add sponsor, ads and product placement, then add some more…
@@Amerikkkanit was. Platos uncle, Solon, was taught the story of Atlantis by egyptian priests. And most of us do not believe the egyptians didnt build the pyramid and sphinx. We just believe they built it(at least the sphinx) thousands of years before they were supposed to be able to. Which has very clear evidence to support it.
@@chancebrown98and how do you know that your idea of when they were supposed to be able to build the pyramids is correct? The pyramids are basically giant rock piles. The slopes of the sides are basically the angle of repose of a mound of loose gravel. People have been stacking rocks since before H. sapiens was a species (I mean this in the sense that if you could meet one of our pre- H. sapiens ancestors, they would probably be smart enough to consider a person). The ancient cultures that built these giant pyramids were just the first cultures large enough to undertake work on such a massive scale, but fundamentally, it's stacking rocks. They already had extremely advanced knowledge of geometry, I think they could figure out big rock go on top of other big rock.
@@chancebrown98 You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story.
Love your rational thinking and logic on everything you talk about. I really enjoy your way to explain things and the journey to a more than rational conclusion. Seeker of truth. Respect.
i think the craziest thing about human evolution and history is that from all we know, humans used to live in caves for tens of thousands of years. seemingly no technological advancements up to a certain point and i truly wonder if we are just wrong and that these long lost civilizations actually existed and are still buried deep beneath the earth and ocean or are simply lost to time. the progress humanity made within the last thousand years is just crazy when you think about that imo. and realistically, if it was real a million years ago, errosion could have easily destroyed any evidence of it.
it all started with Plato in western society. and the book you showed in 1:22, the name Lemuria is also given by west. actual name is "Kumari Kandam", but it was not a lost continent but an extension of indian subcontinent in south. but we lost it because of sea level rise after Ice age ended.
Random dude writes a sci-fi novel, complete with made-up maps. 100 years later, people go “Are they real?” Imagine a hundred years from now people be like “Are LOTR, Marvel Comics real?
So true! I’ve considered Plato as one of the fathers of science fiction for years. His story about Atlantis was basically the first alternate history story.
Lotr and Marvel won't be like this because we know the history in detail about who wrote this and the history of company who commissioned the comics. This only works for stuff where evidence is missing and it become too convulated with real history
@@bbartkyPlato didn't come up with it he heard it from Solan who was around when he was a kid pretty sure they are relative. They are both legends in their field and plato has actual stories about the world which are proven fact not sure why he would suddenly start making stuff up. I think Atlantis was real but not the way this author says it in that book but the way Plato explain it without all the technology and weird stuff.
Atlantis is likely NEITHER entirely real nor purely myth. Instead, it may represent a blend of an actual historical place and thousands of years of evolving storytelling, which transformed it into the legend we know today. The best way to approach subjects like Atlantis is to maintain a truly open mind, even when considering theories that seem improbable or defy current scientific understanding. At the same time, it’s essential to filter these ideas through a logical and reasoned perspective, recognizing how historical events often evolve into folklore over generations. This balance allows for exploration without abandoning critical thinking. 14:41
The Richat Structure (the “Eye of the Sahara”) in Mauritania is a compelling candidate for the location of Atlantis. This massive circular formation, with its concentric rings, closely matches Plato’s description of Atlantis as a city surrounded by alternating rings of land and water. Thousands of years ago, during a wetter climate and higher sea levels, the Sahara was lush and likely connected to the Atlantic Ocean, placing the Richat Structure in a coastal or island-like environment. Over millennia, tectonic shifts and erosion transformed the area into the desert we see today. The geological features and environmental history make it a strong possibility that this site inspired the Atlantis legend.
@@KnifeSotelo omg, another Jimmy cult follower. ATLANTIS SANK! Stop with the mental gymnastics just to make Jimmy's theory true. Even the Indigenous Americans say Atlantis was part of America and stretched to the Straight of Gibraltar. Richat Structure was underwater when the Sahara was lush, nows its above water. How is something above sea level considered sunken?
It is. The historical genocide of all melanated people will not go unpunished. I don't think most people understand the lengths the Renaissance or "Rebirth" Period went to ethnically cleanse those of a darker persuasion out of Europe and separate them from anything advanced.
I would be extremely interested to hear more about this theory (I'm not ready to buy it yet but I would absolutely love to hear your reasons for thinking that), could you share more about this? Is there somewhere else I can go to learn more about this?
When I was in college I traveled to study in Turkey. I visited a merchant selling old maps. I’m almost certain these maps u have was IN HIS SHOP. Where did those come from? This was 1984 I was 19 studying from Texas
You're an amazing storyteller, Johnny. I know there is a team behind them, but I'm glad you persisted through this journey to getting here, so thank you for making these interesting and informative videos!
So glad I found your channel yesterday. You have definitely got some of the best quality videos on UA-cam and the most interesting. Great work, thank you.
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No
good job Johnny but there is theory where Hercules pillers are take look on Black see if there is atlantis shud be there.
I tried using your code "everythingistrumpsfault" and it said it was used too many times.
No
I'm a atlantean?
Johnny Harris: Countries are fake
Johnny Harris: Atlantis is real
😂 Underrated comment this is hilarious
Johnny Harris just lost it. :P
Ok, I laughed. 😂
Atlantis isreal !!!
Atlantis is the one piece
Lets be honest this is lowkey an excuse for Johnny to gosh over map
His channel is exclusively for him to write off map purchases as business expenses.
Indeed
I assume you meant gush, but - not even sure if I’ve heard him say it - but I can totally hear him using the word “gosh” a lot.
In fairness it really is a nice map😁
Yes it is, and I support that because I really like maps to
Johnny I usually like your videos but, this wasn’t researched well, In Plato's dialogues, it is mentioned that his ancestor, Solon, traveled to Egypt and learned about Atlantis, he reportedly encountered priests who informed him of the story of Atlantis, describing it as a powerful and advanced civilization that existed thousands of years before his time. This account is presented in Plato's dialogues "Timaeus" and "Critias," where the story of Atlantis is elaborated upon. Both Egypt and Greece describe Atlantis and the Egyptians trace their royal lineage to the rulers of Atlantis
Atlantis is what the Europeans call the eye of the Sahara
Sonchis of Sais the Priest who told the story to Solon didn't use the word Atlantis, he said it was the ancient homeland city of the Egyptians. Plato himself coined the word Atlantis after the Atlantides who were the Hesperides from Hesperia. Plato thought the homeland of the Egyptians was the Greek mythical Hesperia. In Greek myth Heracles visits Hesperia during one of his Labors.
Not doing research and spreading missinfo as fact is johhny's specialty. Ryan mcbeth recently made a video exposing all the misstakes in his recent video
Johnny really, really dropped the ball on the video.
Essentially, Johnny said “Oh yeah. Atlantis? Totally 100% fake and a result of out of control God of the Gaps theory. How do I know? I was there when Plato first received the news from someone lost to time. He was just making stuff up because he was tryna rizz up the Oracle of Jojo ‘Joestar’ Siwas. He was totally making stuff up. Solon? Ok see you later?? Anyway, you guys are r*cist for thinking white people could’ve actually built an advanced civilization without taking it from someone else. They disappeared and their home was destroyed when the rest of the world was still thousands of years behind them. Suuuure.”
I mean Johnny apparently can’t grasp the concept of a 1st world country like America becoming so far ahead of let’s say Sierra Leon that it seems to be otherworldly that the 1st world lost EVERYTHING.
But I’m sure that the concept that we can have a candy bar delivered to your door at 4 a.m., get on a plane to Asia at 5 a.m., and be back home In less than 24 hours is UNDENIABLE that we are the most advanced we’ve ever been. How’s the 1/1 reconstruction of the Great Pyramid going again? Impossible? Huh. That’s strange…
@@HRM.HMcbeth still loses that one. Nothing Johnny has ever said was as dmb as Ryan claiming the MIC doesn’t exist.
think you may have gotten a few things wrong. i could be wrong but I thought plato heard the legend of Atlantis myth was passed down from his great-grandfather... (Solon?), he didn't just "make it up" to explain other things. As i understand it, at the time he learned it it was considered an ancient myth- and lumping in Graham Hancock and Randell Carlson in with the BS on History Channel is a bit disingenuous. Graham has never claimed Atlantis existed. All he's ever said is that there's a lot we can't explain about the past esp regarding megalith construction and that we just need to stay open to the fact that there might be more technologically advanced civilizations that have been all wiped out form the geological record. if you take the myths seriously, which I think he's laid out a GREAT case for why we should, then Atlantis, or something real that the stories were derived from, isn't a crazy idea. And in the thumbnail you used the richat structure yet used GH and RC's faces over it. I know GH totally disagrees with this being a probable spot for atlantis. you should have used Jimmy Corsetti, of bright insight if you want your story to be accurate. might not seem like much but it matters when you are beating the drum of only what science decides having any bearing on understanding our past.
He didn't care about getting anything correct or nearly correct. He is selling a poster. That's it. He is making people who believed in these maps to be romantic dreamers and they represent a cautionary tale of buying into anything just because people are selling it and the story around it sounds neat. Like the fucking stupid poster he is trying to sell because he bought the originals of some asshole who in no way is remembered by anyone who isn't carrying a degree in historic hoaxes would know anything about. It's absolutely selling something he claims has value because he will only make 500 of em. Like who the fuck cared about the original nevermind his fucking poster of them.
bingo!
you forgot to drop the mic in style!
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Grifter Graham clearly copied the Atlantis myth.
31 missed call from Graham Hancock
Graham Hancock when the massive ancient globe spanning civilization may not be a group but actually different people that had the same ideas (impossible)
Graham Hancock when the massive ancient globe spanning civilization may not be a group but actually different people that had the same ideas (impossible)
And at 18:40 basically calls him a liar about everything he says… for shame.
@@coconut7490 That has always been my biggest pet peeve about the modern consensus. Yeah, let's just assume they had the same ideas coincidentally and ridicule anyone who suggests a cause and effect for this.
Same thing with language, people like Hermann Muller and now the Nostratic linguists are often ignored because it's already been accepted 20 years ago that "it's a coincidence", and now any new evidence against that is lumped into "it's a coincidence" group with no re-evaluation of the total weight of the evidence.
It's like they have selective blindness, they look at each case individually and refuse to ever actually look at them in relation to each other.
Yeah I'm sure Brahma/Saraswati and Abraham/Sarah have nothing to do with each other, what a bunch of horseshit.
@@ilike2watch66 Well Hancock is a snake oil man
"I love old original maps."
We know you do Johnny.
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@@johnnyharrisYou are not alone - why I started following you
I wonder where/how he gets these original ones
@@channon3 probably like I do with extremely rare 78's, sometimes sites like e bay more often private auction lists. These are remarkable
It may be worth noting that historians didn't think Plato's Atlantis was real, but it's equally noteworthy that Plato NEVER said that it was just allegorical pontification. Just go read what he said yourselves, and you will see that he talks about it as a real part of human history. Historians just ASSUME that he made it up, similar to how they assumed the city of Troy wasn't real until it was found. It's actually pretty annoying, on par with anthropology dismissing thousands of native histories as myths because they don't fit into the one "true" narrative that they have curated. The same narrative that rejected history being longer than 6,000 years old until Gobekli Tepe was found and dated to 12,000 years old.
Anatomicslly modern humans have been around for over 300,000 years, so to say that there definitely weren't any civilizations until the last 4 or 5 percent of history is not science, it's dogma.
That sounds like Nazi talk. Thank you Johnny Harris for teaching me to trust Science!
Agreed! Do I think they were super advanced? Eh probably not cause we don't have any artifacts. But I'm sure humans were around doing stuff a lot earlier than we currently have evidence for!
Well said! It's the same reaction from today's tenured archeologists as geologists back in the day when Alfred Wegener first proposed the theory of Continental Drift with the clear eyed observations of the shapes of continents and the similarity of species where they once connected. But all the geologists of the day booed him off the stage, without any consideration of his theory, because it was counter to their entrenched views and because he was a meteorologist by training. But he was also a trained observer without the ossification of the imaginary faculties too often conveyed by influential teachers.
Jump forward to today when Johnny is presenting the once decried theory that scientists now totally accept as part of the presentation. Yes, at that time they did not understand plate tectonics, but they didn't really give Wegener's theory a real hearing. Now in the time I've been reading about ideas of a lost ancient civilization, we have learned more out about the Younger Dryas catastrophes between 12, 800 to 11,500 years ago ( right at the time frame Plato dated the destruction of Atlantis, btw) and seen the most ancient organized societies emerge in Turkey dated during this same time frame. Atlantis may have been only one part of a world-wide civilization -- with a technology advanced but different from our own -- but no serious researcher today is proposing Scott-Elliot's fantasies. Johnny, I love your work, but you are at risk of doing the same thing Wegener's critics did -- hanging on to the status quo when serious, intriguing questions are being raised.
No archaeologist says “There definitely weren’t any civilizations until the last 4-5% of history.” They say “We have no evidence of civilizations before the last 4-5% of history.”
It's not that historians assumed Plato made it up, but rather that there is no evidence beyond his remarks on Atlantis. No other ancient texts or sources mention Atlantis, and it's difficult to claim it was a real place based on just one person's account. Additionally, there is no physical evidence supporting the existence of Atlantis. With the story of Troy, there are multiple sources and accounts of the Trojan War, along with substantial physical evidence. Regarding the claim that anthropology dismisses thousands of Native histories as myths, it’s true that in the past, some anthropologists held that view. However, this is no longer the case. Today, Indigenous oral histories are frequently used by anthropologists and archaeologists to better understand cultures and to discover new sites once inhabited by their ancestors. For instance, if you look into archaeology in British Columbia, you'll find many examples of Indigenous communities and archaeologists collaborating to uncover and preserve history. One key thing to understand about archaeology is that it seeks to explore history's unknowns through evidence. It is not based on dogma. While we cannot say with certainty that human civilizations existed 200,000 years ago, because there is no proof, the dates given for early civilizations are based on the evidence currently available. That said, archaeologists and anthropologists are open to revising these dates as new discoveries emerge. While some individuals may resist change, that is not representative of the entire field.
Was so excited to see the Richat structure on my youtube recommended just for it not to be mentioned the whole time and instead some random fanfic map from the 1800s and him trying to sell it as a poster
I'm actually glad he didn't talk about it. That theory has so many holes in it. The Richat structure is not Atlantis.
@@garybusey9645then why use it in the thumbnail !? If there are holes in that theory i wanted to know but not a single mention of it is disappointing.
@paramjoshi2581 He obviously used it for clickbait. There are plenty of ancient advanced civilisation enthusiasts posting theories about it if you're interested. But apart from having the same shape, there isn't really anything else to suggest it could be Atlantis. There have been loads of neolithic sites examined in and around the structure that would predate Atlantis, yet no evidence found of an ancient advanced civilisation.
@garybusey9645 could at least talk about what wholes those are. I don't know them to this day, plus there's no big channel talking about it that I know of.
@bumblebeeeoptimus try Stefan Milo or Milo Rossi.
I'm never getting over the fact that Americans pronounce Plato as playdough
WHAT HAGAGAGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
That’s how it’s said…
They pronounce it that way because they came up with the name. The Greek one is Πλάτωνας, pronounced Plátonas. So they are right. (I'm Greek)
Or Herbs as Erbs😂😂
As a black American, I find this to be a verrrry modest butchering of language 😂😂
"Take a look at this map" now makes me laugh everytime 😂
Why this reminds me of nickleback
@@agumon1605 LOOK AT THIS PHOTO OF A MAP
@@agumon1605 this is how you remind me
@@agumon1605 I too came here to acknowledge the Nickelback reference. Real gentleman of the world unite!
Take a look at how much Plato is Woody Harrelson make me conspiracy think.
"even if it looks sciency, and has a lot of big scientific words... That doesnt make it true"
What a good quote that many people need to hear.
Edit: people in my comments took this way out of context, try not to feed the trolls
It does not make false, either - until you prove it :)
@@zsolthungary No, you have to prove things true....not assume they are true and have to prove them false.
Me reading the nutrition fact labels
Lol if you claim bigfoot is real you're the one who has to prove it. It's not my job to pull a Bigfoot out of my @ss and prove your own point...
Fauci is the science
On top of youtube's ads, we get an ad for incognito and maps. No wonder he can afford all these originals.
But somehow can't afford artists to work on the videos and resorts to AI slop.
The more I watch this guy, the more I realize how easily I will trust people who sound authoritative and have decent production value...
Spot on. Watch for the woke garbage with pretty graffics.
ya. He makes quality videos... so its super disappointing when he spouts off the MOST absurd talking points that you would normally only hear from The Guardian or some other outlet that is just constantly pushing propaganda... the idea that anyone who is interested in the idea of a potential global ancient civilization is inherently using the same theory that the Nazis used to connect Atlantis to the Germans is completely pathetic.. and widely dishonest.
@@lordrichardson4447 I think he exemplifies for me the idea of someone who sounds really knowledgeable until they talk about something you are knowledgeable about and then you realize how satisfied they are to regurgitate talking points without concern for doing their due diligence to investigate and verify. He just put out a short regurgitating headlines about infowars being sold to the onion and completely neglected the controversy around the 'auction' entirely. It feels a bit like when you realize that your parents or teachers don't know any more about a subject than you do and that they speak with authority not because they know more and want to help but because they want not to be confronted or challenged.
Johnny doing the meme here - if you can't make a good argument against an idea, just imply it's racist. Easy, argument won.
Oh and add lots of well produced graphics and music to make it sound, as Johnny says, "sciencey".
The irony.
@@NoPodcastsHere Not just for you, we all know who sai that and the video you watched my guy
Pyramids are a very usefull way to pile up things
Lmao ok 😅😂
So true
Actually a rectangle with manageable size stones is the most practical way to construct millenia old structures. Transporting 100 ton stones and stacking them hundreds of feet high is extremely un practical and even with our most advanced technology it's extremely difficult to transport one 50 ton stone several miles, yet we find these structures all over the ancient world. If it was so easy and practical there would be an easy to understand explanation for this phenomenon yet "experts" offer dozens of different explanations that don't properly explain half of the mystery.
@@acetate909its almost like the rock quarries used were right next to the pyramids in nearly every case. Seriously, you are beyond stupid if you actually believe that people couldn't figure out how to stack rocks. It's not hard and has been proven countless times how it was done
Okay but how move big rock?
Plato did not pull the idea of Atlantis out of thin air. The story came down to him from his ancestor Solon, who heard the story of Atlantis from priests in Egypt. The story was said to be so old that the papyrus scrolls it was written on were disintegrating, and were being transcribed onto the temple walls to preserve it. And the date given for the destruction of Atlantis was very specific, not random. And it turns out that the date given was the exact time of catastrophic flooding and sea level rise at the end of the ice age.
We only have platos word for solon learning about atlantis.
That's exactly what he said in the video, you can connect all those imaginary dots and form your own conclusion out of thin air 😂
@@guyandalaptop434 Hence in my mind all of humanity's knowledge as science is just a thing what we can or we can not BELIEVE. It is a ridiculous belief system! Yes we can test anything, but can we test everything? Hmm ..
@@start7047that is just a long way of saying relativism. A dangerous slippery slope.
Nah, The story of Atlantis comes from a festival speech of Plato, in which 3 fictional characters meet and one of them, Critias of Athens talks about this story he got from his grandfather who got it from Solon who got it from Egypt. It is very obviously an allegory and was preceded by a story about how Phaethon, sun god Helios son scorched the earth during a joyride with his fathers chariot.
What a disappointing conclusion. Calls himself a scientist then refutes any way to stay open to the possibilities. I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
well said.. "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.."
That's great for you but in actual science we work with models and empirical data. Wild speculation without evidence isn't helpful.
@@csr7080 lol then you don't understand science at all. All leaps in science came from challenging it with "wild speculations"
@@deltaxsingh true, but only small part of those wild speculations turned out to be true... so we can just hope this is the case with Atlantis and keep on speculating
You know it’s going to be good when he starts with a map
I wasn’t good. The book he’s basing it off has nothing to do with Graham Hanncocks or Carlsons theories. The books first page says “Lemuria” which neither have ever mentioned. Lemuria is easily debunked as related to regions of where Lemurs spread from. This is a cherry picked, vague hack job form of Journalism, he then stemmed the modern movement of people theorizing potential ancient civilizations and connected them to Lemuria & the bases that Hanncocks arguments are based off of views from the story of Noah which is where the whole Aryian shit comes from which Hanncock doesn’t support. It’s Johnny getting paid by “big archeology”. Usually love Johnnys videos too & the non-partisan view from his journalistic perspective but this is his worst video yet promoting straight biases. A twenty minute video isn’t gonna debunk something that has many more arguments than Johnny has proposed. PS I don’t even believe in Atlantis, I do believe this is hit job journalism here.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the Richat Structure in Africa. How Plato's description of Atlantis aligns almost perfectly with it.
Especially while clickbaiting it too
Cuz u know his laying
For reference: ua-cam.com/video/xo_fMcSLp7Q/v-deo.html
Not really.
I watched the Bright I sight videos and am an avid Atlantis researcher. I'm not convinced, let's just say that
he even showed the pillar 43 of gobekli tepe like it was nothing. what do you expect
15:41 I love how in this map there are so many little splats of islands, and is literally missing Sicily.
Sicily is just a metaphor
Talking about how Atlantis wasn’t real in a video about maps, while using a thumbnail of the Richat structure and not mentioning the maps that show Atlantis at the Richat structure is ironic
We wish the ancient world was as simply as we know. The issue is that there's so many gaps of knowledge that it's unreasonable to think that we know it all from it's Inception until today.
Literature purges did not helped at all... Spaniards burned the shit out of 500 years of knowledge here in south America ... But hey, look at the bright side, we got syphilis and gonorrhea.
@@juancalle5451you mean they civilized them. 😢
Yes! Especially from a history of modern, intelligent humans that extends 250,000+ years. Our very spotty documented history goes back only ~5% of that time. It is unlikely humanity only started playing with rocks and stones only 12,000 years ago.
This video tries to emulate Plato as a parable to caution people against psuedoscience, but also curiously dismissive of how many more mysteries outside Atlantis that we have not even begun to unravel.
Dude found Atlantis before he could find centimeter on a ruler
Shoutout to Jimmy Corsetti from Bright Insight, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson!
Don't forget Randall Carlson
@TheGreatDane8D true!
Shoutout to the grifters!
I couldn't get through Graham Hancock's show because it's so unbelievably stupid. I thought I could stomach it because of the beautiful B-roll of archaeological sites, but no. I made it 3 episodes in before I couldn't stand the stupid. The problem is he starts from a premise I largely agree with (ice age civilization was probably a lot more advanced than we generally think) and then jumps to THEY SPANNED THE GLOBE AND HAD AIRPLANES AND BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS, and never shows any evidence at all. Because there isn't any.
Meanwhile he has an episode talking about how humans have been in North America for far longer than we traditionally believed, saying "archaeologists don't want you to know this," WHILE HE'S TALKING TO AN ARCHAEOLOGIST WHO WORKS ON THE SITE, TELLING YOU ABOUT IT.
He's a classic grifter who baits you by telling you that what "they" told you is a lie, so you believe whatever he says.
@@PalmelaHanderson....all right then... Thanks for sharing....
17:49 "Atlantis which was constructed by Plato as a parable to teach people has no bases in empirical fact." this sentence is so ironic because Atlantis being a 'parable' constructed by Plato to teach people has no bases in empirical fact.
Yeah right? IMO Maybe it’s just an analogy of the pre-flood world. Im not sure if you believe the flood happened or not, but every ancient civilization on earth did. Maybe that’s all he’s talking about in the writing of Atlantis that we have.
Plato keeps getting gas light that he just made Atlantis up to teach a lessson.
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Do you have any other ancient sources for Atlantis besides him? And correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t we only have a few sentences from his words? I haven’t researched it much.
@@docvaliant721 yeah that definitely makes sense
Did you listen to the bit @ ~2:25 ?
00:04 Maps suggest Atlantis may have been a real place.
02:26 Atlantis symbolizes a utopian parable rather than a real civilization.
04:35 Exploring Atlantis as a lost civilization linking ancient cultures.
06:56 Clairvoyant powers influenced early pseudo-science in the study of Atlantis.
08:50 Exploring the prime of Atlantis as theorized by William Scott Elliot.
11:02 Atlantis was a sophisticated, advanced civilization with unique technologies and capabilities.
13:10 Atlantis sunk in 9564 BC, spreading advanced knowledge globally.
15:24 The myth of Atlantis fueled racial superiority ideologies in the 20th century.
17:41 The myth of Atlantis lacks empirical evidence despite its allure.
19:45 Exploration of 1900 Atlantis map reflects mystical historical fascination.
Where does Atlantic ocean get its name from, Where do the Atlas Mountains get thier name from
@@akiikikasaija9321 ancient myths
love your videos Big J but i'm not really a fan of how generative AI is being quietly slipped into your videos without explicit disclosure. i'd prefer AI not be used at all but if you absolutely must, the least you could do is label where it's used on screen.
I’m glad I’m not the only one with this opinion.
Thanks for this feedback, you're spot on. We used it to create some initial imagery which our (very talented) animator then took and spent weeks developing into what you see in the video. I'll add this to the video description and do so moving forward if and when we use AI generated imagery. We're learning as we go how to implement, and appreciate your thoughts.
@@johnnyharrisI dont mind you using it, but I did come to comment and just poke fun at that in general. As a 3D artist I gotta keep my eyes sharp to discern the difference ya know
@@johnnyharris glad to hear it, i appreciate the change!
@@johnnyharris that does not justify using a tool that has stolen art in the first place.
That's a fine direction to go in for the video, but it would have been cool to discuss the fact that there was a period during the ice age when sea levels were hundreds of feet lower, meaning untold numbers of coastal towns and villages (perhaps cities too) legitimately are underwater now. Missed opportunity for a map lover and geography guy.
Very true and most likely a lot of the people that believe Atlantis could’ve been real believe it could’ve been off the coast of west Africa, something happened in Mauritania there are water striations that could have been part of the Atlantis story, but after hearing both sides of the story and hearing from a third person point of view and putting it together, you can’t just completely deny the existence…especially after making a whole video about it😂
Mesopotamia is the oldest known "modern" civilisation and it is dated at 4000-3500 yrs B.C. The glacial maximum you are referring to occurred 16,000 years prior. Hence I don't believe modern civilisations would have been lost to marine transgression. I'm sure plenty of settlements would have been lost to marine transgressions.
@@penance_for_peterNoone can disagree with that Peter. However, I'd like to argue that our understanding of early civilizations could be flawed in particular due to survivor bias. For example, maybe we accept the idea that "modern" civilizations started with Mesopotamia only because we haven't discovered any civilizations that existed earlier? I think many would agree that the discovery of ruins from an even earlier civilization would rival our common belief regarding the start of human civilization in Iraq. I'm sure before Mesopotamia was hypothesized as the first civilization, it was a later civilization, and a later one before the former's discovery. Nevertheless, this is just my personal thoughts on this matter. But I want to be clear that I also don't think they would've been as technologically advanced as many fantasizers believe they were.
@@tylerroberts5283 Good thoughts!
@@penance_for_peter Oh how outdated your facts are. Look into the origin story of Mesopotamia they say they come from a older civilization that was lost to a flood. They say they come from the fish people. Now you have Göbekli Tepe that dates back to 10,000+ you have the younger dryer impact hypothesis that caused the icecaps to melt. New evidence of lost civilization in the amazon that housed millions of people.
Miniminuteman gonna have a field day with this
You? Or Jimmy years ago?
I think this isnt about the eye of the sahara my friend
Jimmy Corserti already proved the eye of the Sahara was atlantis a while ago, also using maps
@@StandinOnBuniss 'proved' is not the right word, not even Jimmy says he has proved it, and he aknowledges the theory he supports wasnt originally made by him, he wasnt the creator to connect the eye of the sahara and atlantis
1:36 I was extremely confused momentarily when I heard "so it all starts with playdough", what has a kids toy got to do with it? 😂
Didn't the Greek gods make humans out of clay or something? Then Plato would basically be made of Play-Doh, hence his name
@@luodeligesi7238I don’t know what you smoked, but I want it too!
@@leanderfoldy9293 I'll give you some, but you have to find me in Atlantis first
@@luodeligesi7238dude 🤯🤯
just imagine archeologists in the future going over fandom wikis and doing the same thing the history channel does with these maps. They were essentially someones worldbuilding fantasy from a few centuries ago
Definitely a big fan of the animation Johnny brought to life about Atlantis. Crazy to beleive this is coming from an independent youtube channel
I was surprised not to see the more plausible theory of an island just off the Atlas Mountains that developed a culture when the Sahara was green. It is worth pursuing that idea when addressing a topic like this one.
That theory is too plausible, gotta knock over the batshit million year aryan flying car theory instead
Yup. Just chose to ignore Plato's and other maps that show Atlantis in western Africa. Atlas Mountains. King Atlas, etc.
yes, the name Atlas predates Plato and these ideas of "Aryan" people right? The Berbers(i think), from the region have stories of a king named Atlas, i think theres too much focus on the word Atlantis, this could be a game of telephone
@@stevenkmorrison I believe you are referring to the Map of the World according to Herodotus, as there is no Plato Map that shows Atlantis in Western Africa. Nonetheless, it should be noted that these are actually modern day interpretations of ancient written descriptions, since there are no surviving maps that were drawn by Plato or Herodotus, themselves. In fact, the Herodotus map was published in 1894.
In Portugal I always heard that its archipelago of Azores, were actually the last geographical remains of Atlantis. They do have some god tier food.
My first thought when he showed the map was “oh, I guess Atlantis is just the Azores.”
That’s also a very popular myth in the US too.
I like how people explain similar structures on different continents are bc of aliens, when a big triangle shape thing is literally the most stable building possible, while getting closer to the 'gods'.
The "stable triangle building" observation makes sense. But it's still pretty interesting if these triangle buildings have similar astronomical alignments, have similar myths surrounding them, have similar non trivial building techniques between ancient people separated by continents (or seemingly centuries). We're all human- so if all of those things are in common just because of human brains, that's almost as interesting as the idea there was some shared information somehow.
@@nightcrayonDont forget confirmation bias. Big stone triangles hold up against the test of time. The cultures were very different, there was a bit of convergent evolution but thats seen all over the world.
The reason the pyramids are all over the world is because they are vaguely indestructable and very basic.
@@TheSkulldan Yes, but I'm saying there are more similarities than just "it's a pyramid". If similar myths or construction techniques (not just the geometric similarity of the end result) existed on supposedly completely separate cultures with no contact, that's worth investigating as well.
@nightcrayon Yes I know, thats why I said things such as "convergent evolution". All people could do back then was observe laws of nature (life, death, hunger and illness) and try to explain it, thats where similar but massively different ways of thinking have come to be and why there are hundreds of religeons around the world.
I dont think it needs much more rational than the human brain isnt going to be too specially different anywhere in the world you go.
It doesn't make sense how it seems that when they all left because of the flood, they forgot 95% of their technology? If they were truly that developed, they would be able to take that technology with them.
Bro's not just content, even sponsors are useful for me. Thanks Johnny & incogni too
If you are going to use AI to generate images, I think it would be nice to call that out. Put a little tag in there. "AI Generated".
I know they should just use the real photos and videos of Atlantis instead
@@jamesmather75 BAHAHAHA
@@jamesmather75😂😂
that's a bit of an assumption there Jarod. AI is a VERY recent thing - & still very much a work in progress in terms of generating images. humans are more than capable of creating realistic images - where do you think movie, TV & gaming images come from? AI? - hardly. in the future, maybe - in the present & past, nah, still human creations.
@@jamesmather75 It seems you're unfamiliar with the concept of art vs a photograph of something real.
The city of Atlantis is not the city of the past, but a floating city of the future made of hubris.
W. Scott-Elliot actually hit on some interesting points like possibly correctly describing the younger dryas.
Who knows what he knew, but even a broken clock is correct twice a day!
A million years from today, there will be a Johnny Harris doing a video breaking the "The History of America, Mapped"
19:45 Nick sounds thrilled to be scanning maps all day
in the words of miniminuteman, you're telling me that different civilizations all figured out how to stack rocks in the most basic fashion? It must be aliens.
But how move big rock?
@@tauntingeveryone7208 With a big alien
@@tauntingeveryone7208logs and sand and water and boats and a shitload of dudes with ropes.... You know, like how they recorded how they did it.
I think modern humans forget that ancient humans were also… human. The same brain that got us to space and built computers was around thousands of years ago. Given enough time and focused effort, they were quite ingenuous in many ways. I used to think like that too but when you go to museums and see the tools and artifacts, read about different inventions throughout the centuries, you realize humans have always been cleaver and we weren’t just scraping by doing nothing for thousands of years until all the sudden the Industrial Revolution happened. Humans were constantly tinkering.
@@hnzp nuh uh, with many little aliens
We all know that when Johnny boy says "look at this map" shits gonna be fire.
Shit was in fact, not fire.
I got my Print map today. It looks great Buddy, thanks so much for allowing us access to them the way you did.
Plato is the goat storyteller! Thousands of years later he still manages to make hundreds of thousands completely unhinged with a single one of his stories.
Are we going to ignore the fact that on his final transition map the Sahara desert is underwater and there's an island where the Richat Structure is?
Classic Johnny thing, leaving details that don't fit the narrative
But the Richat Structure isn't the Atlantis, or a part of it. But I can agree it very intriguing looking. I can't of course prove anything, but I believe in what some mediums says, and it pretty much is where the maps shows it is. The YT channel Rammsteinregeln has some videos on Atlantis with mediums explaining.
Don't forget that there are maps several hundred years old that shows the exact maps of the south pole, even though they shouldn't be able to know, unless if they had technology for it.
YES! I really wish he made an addendum section to tease that possibility… the Richat structure where that island was located in Mauritanian western Sahara was literally used on the VIDEO THUMBNAIL…
@@jbones360 I guess no one have been able to avoid the videos from Brightside by Jimmy Corsetti, I bought his story first but have changed my mind later on. Not sure if Brightside side is the correct name, but something like it.
There have been dozens of archaelogical digs at the Richat structure. They've found hundreds of artifacts from hunter-gatherers spanning thousands of years, and yet they haven't found a single shred of evidence for any large sclae settlement, let alone a hyper advanced seafaring empire. If you think that the Richat structure is Atlantis, you'd have to believe that some great cataclysm wiped away every last molecule of Atlantis, but somehow didn't destroy 15,000 year old speartips.
I thought Plato even gave a date given to him by Solon ,a relative who had visited Egypt.The date of Atlantis’ demise .12,000 years ago.
No. Timaeus, who tells the story, notes that it is based on research done by Solon into the tale (specifically names and their meanings). Solon is said to have found that early Egyptians writings, which he was able to translate, and thus gain the information sought.
Then Timaeus says that his great-grandfather had obtained the original writing, which ended up in Timaeus possession.
Solon (670-560 BCE) lived long before Plato (428-423 - 348 BCE).
Hope that helps to clear things up 😊
Timeaus was a writing/book by Plato where he recounts the tale of Atlantis, as it was recounted through his family, according to the account of his great uncle, Solon. According to Plato’s recounting, Solon learned it from Egyptian priests and scholars and was shown the historical recordings within the library of Alexandria. Why it was historical recordings, is because Atlantis was the land that the ancient Egyptians hailed from.
@@phoenixpvAlexandria didn't exist yet in Solon's time. He was visiting the city of Sais.
Solon was told by the priests in egypt that it existed 8000 years before (that was when solon walked the earth so more like 12 to 14k years ago today) and they stated that pre-dynastic Egyptians came from there@@mejuliie
@@brianpartridge5654 That is irrelevant.
Also, there is an exact description of atlantis and where it is to be found - ".. Atlantis which was, according to reports, an island, once larger than Libya and Asia combined. But nowadays having been submerged during an earthquake, it acts as a barrier of mud obstructing those who wish to sail out into the open ocean from there."
Which is a place we know did not exist. People at the time were aware that Asia was huge - from their knowledge that it at least extended into India.
So, no. They didn't think it was a tiny island.
If you want to believe into something, that's great. But at least do your due diligence and actually know what you are talking about.
Historians: "Plato's Atlantis are the friends we make along the way"
Thanks for the video, always interesting. Looking forward now for a video on Pacificis, Indianis, Arcticis and Antarticis!
Johnny Harris: I love maps!
2024 U.S. Presidential Election Map: Hold my beer.
Bro is doing everything not to mention where he went wrong
Yrah, remember how he thought that people who said 2020 was stolen are crazy...
Ridiculous! Everyone knows that Atlantis was a city in the Pegasus Galaxy constructed by the Ancients, abandoned 10,000 years ago after losing a war with the Wraith. DUH!!
But they constructed it in the Milky Way galaxy and it spent quite some time on the Earth in Antarctica.
Where does Atlantic ocean get its name from, Where do the Atlas Mountains get thier name from
If only we could get some ZPMs to power it back on again...
Thanks!
Plato attributes his knowledge of Atlantis to Solon, a renowned Athenian statesman and lawgiver who visited Egypt around 600 BCE. During his visit, Solon reportedly engaged with Egyptian priests in the city of Sais in the Nile Delta. The priests shared with him ancient records about a powerful island civilisation, Atlantis, that existed thousands of years earlier. These records were said to be preserved on temple walls and in written accounts, documenting a catastrophic event that led to Atlantis’s destruction.
Meltwater pulse 1b
Also the younger dryas impact theory which coincides with the dates.
@@dank5390 Please don't destroy our comfortable logical illusions...
You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story made up by Plato. Do you think that in two thousand years people are going to be looking for the lost continent of Westeros?
Did you copy and paste that communist propaganda from the freemasons lodge or what....
It starts with Plato, and it also ends with him because he is the only character who mentions it and then the rest are just Dreamers from current age.
Yeah but Plato was told about Atlantis from the Egyptian stateman and priest Solon, who did not live 9000 years before.
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story.
BTW Solon was the ATHENIAN statesman who invented democracy.
All I'm getting is Plato is responsible for the Holocaust
If you want to understand the Story of The Atlantic more, you have to travel to Egypt
Where does Atlantic ocean get its name from, Where do the Atlas Mountains get thier name from
Joe Rogan to host J Harris vs Graham Hancock over what history is really and what is not.
Can't wait for that one.
They're both journalists. Not historians.
@@TheAceTroubleshooter Graham desperately wants to be a historian though lol. He has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder about it.
Should be Milo Rossi. Graham is making claims to things Johnny Harris doesn't specialize in, it would be a waste of 3 hours as Graham can say anything and Harris would refute without evidence.
The excitement when he said “it’s four of them” sent shivers down my spine
Here’s another way to find Atlantis on a real map: Plato created the story of Atlantis as a parable, but what recent events had inspired him in coming up with this story? There’s the Helike Ruins which was a city in Ancient Greece, which got submerged by a tsunami in 373 BC, during the lifetime of Plato. It’s not an advanced civilization, but it may well have contributed to the Atlantis story with the idea of a sunken city. The coordinates are (38.222E, 22.132N)
Actually there are at least 5 cities (remains of habitations) in the Aegean under water (In mind comes Kehries in Corinth and Paleopolis in Andros). Also in Asia Minor (todays state of Turkey) there is the opposite effect of cities becoming remote from the sea. In the ancient Greek, the term MYTH, μῦθος, refers to unrecorded history, rather than to recorded one, ἱστορία. However, the current historical narrative is religiously biased and consequently avoids the discussion of alternative civilizations; the people still believe the out of Africa hypothesis instead of Denisovian hypothesis as the original species source in order to support the historical aspect of the Eden myth in the middle east.
Of course.
Or he went to a public bath, saw his body covered in water, and thought "hey, what if a whole city can sink like this?"
All myths contain an ounce of truth.
Where does Atlantic ocean get its name from, Where do the Atlas Mountains get thier name from
3:37 it is not true that the scientist in the scientific revolution were "displacing the old explanation that God was responsible for all reality" on the contrary they were seeing more evidence for a divine Creator. To quote Sir Isaac Newton, after proving that our universe operates on laws in his book The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy he says: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being."
Welcome to the “modern” world of “science”
Funny that the only thing in common with the "pyramids" of Egypt and of Latin America is that they're build with a strong wide square base and get small at the top, made of the most abundant material available: stones. That's pretty much it, there are so many more differences that ordinary History Channel viewers just completely ignore.
The rocks on the giza plateau were never available there 😉
The quarry for the more than 2, 300, 000 blocks of granite and limestone weighting around 2.5 tons each are considered to be brought from quarries over 500 miles away.
The main theory is that they did this during Khufu's lifetime (29 years) more than 4000 years ago.
Totally feasible 🤣
@@ifancybeer 'I can't understand how amcient people did it, so they simply must have not built the pyramids'. You underestimate what forced labour of tens of thousands of people can do over 25 years, threatened to be killed if they dont work. Also, there were these things called 'wheel' and 'carts' and 'horses' that existed, that even were responsible for world trade, such as trade between Egypt and the Mediterranean, which was a lot more than just the stones on the pyramid, every single year
Yeah, sinilar to saying "oh my god, people live in these closed structures with a ceiling, and entrance point, all over the world. Must be a centralised civilisation that they got this mind-blowing, unthinkable idea from "
@@Aa_rush9 Are you making the case that they were able to move 2.5ton blocks with carts and horses for over 500 miles away over 2 Million times!?
If they had 10 18wheeler trucks available that would require 5750 round trips with all the trucks.
Imagine the project management skills required to make sure that tens of thousands of the supposed forced labour would craft every block with copper tools with the the amazing precision of the great pyramid after solving the rock moving problem.
It's not just rock stacking...take a look at the grand gallery, the king's chamber and the release chambers above, the amazingly precise shafts...again all of this over 4000 years ago...
You say I'm underestimating...might be and we will probably never know the full truth of it, but if you are honest with yourself you'll see that there are huge leaps of faith to believe the giza pyramids were built the way you believe they were.
@@Aa_rush9 actually yes you kind of debunked your self there. it is almost mathematically impossible to have separate unconnected societies develop in similar ways around the world, develop housing in a similar way, use the stars to navigate, build megalithic structures etc etc. We know this because even today we find primitive societies never influenced by others and they have zero traits we would consider to be civilized, some even lacking a language of their own.
The Atlantis story of Plato probably is based on the events that happened during tthe early bronze age in the island of now Santorino.
I agree with you. As with most things in history or mythology, there tend to be a actual history which is exaggerated and so become mythology. I think Atlantis existed, but I think a lot of what is believed about Atlantis is myth.
I like to believe that Atlantis did indeed exist, and that we're slowly uncovering its story. But its story is not one of success. It is one of the darkness that hides in human nature, and of how a society can completely wipe themselves out when they remain slaves to their own egos.
I love how the people who try to prove Atlantis is real are willing to disregard a million things that don't match whilst themselves have zero tangible evidence other that a paragraph of a written work that's thousand years old by a renowned storyteller who's known to use metaphor like examples in his work.
Where does Atlantic ocean get its name from, Where do the Atlas Mountains get thier name from
@akiikikasaija9321 your comment is stupid in so many levels i shouldn't even entertain it but anyway. They got their names from atlas you know the titan of Greek mythology???
@@GothPaoki So the mountains in Morooco called Atlas got thier name from Greece, quite interesting
Plato's Critias says he heard the story of Atlantis from his grandfather, who had heard it from the Athenian statesman Solon (300 years before Plato's time), who had learned it from an Egyptian priest, who said it had happened 9,000 years before that.
LOVE THE MAPS!!! And loved this segment ❤ as I do most of your content 🫶🏻
pyramids are very good to build because they are stable so its not an world wide conspiracy
yes they only take decades to build
@laoch5658 yes that is the down side
Conspiracy
Unless...all of these remote civilizations deciding to follow the same laws of science is the real conspiracy... /s
@@christopherrowe9709 thanks
I’m 100% sure that Atlantis is actually the Minoan civilization that lived on the island of Crete 3,500+ years ago. And during their time they were a maritime power in the Mediterranean. It’s cities had complex hydraulic systems, and the civilization began declining after a volcanic eruption on the island of Santorini or Cithara. And they traded with Egyptians at their height. It’s Solon of Athens who claimed to find Egyptian records of Atlantis. Which Plato was inspired by to create the story of Atlantis.
You are completely Wrong, Atlantis is what the Europeans call the eye of the Sahara
Depends on if you're talking about the city of Atlantis or the Island of Atlantis. The city would have been on the Eye of the Sahara and might be the first city from the Bible. The island of Atlantis story is based on the island of Hesperia which is Cyprus.
The Minoan civilization of Crete was likely the last of the surviving boat masters of old Atlantis who become the Phoenicians. Asterion who the Athenians make into a monster was known as the half Bull because he was the son of Tectauus the Bull. Asterion was the King of Crete who named the constellations after his family. Taurus is named after his father Tectauus. His grandfather Dorus is considered Heracles to the Dorians. And his great grandfather Hellen is patron of all Greeks and is thought to be the mythical Perseus.
Real OGs knows Jimmy solved it... 😅
No mention of the channel brightinsight but I’m sure Jonny saw his videos when doing research.
Great to see that you are getting into these topics!! 🎉
Did I just watch a twenty-one minute commercial that wants me to spend $50 on a print? I'm thinking that if Johnny deletes this post, then yes.
I was thinking the exact same thing! Blatantly promoting a scanned print of a map that’s basically someone’s fantasy? Add sponsor, ads and product placement, then add some more…
Inventing a wholeass futuristic ancient civilization just to explain that the egyptians didn't build the pyramids is WILD
Wasnt it the Egyptians themselves that gave the story of Atlantis to Plato?
@@Amerikkkanit was. Platos uncle, Solon, was taught the story of Atlantis by egyptian priests. And most of us do not believe the egyptians didnt build the pyramid and sphinx. We just believe they built it(at least the sphinx) thousands of years before they were supposed to be able to. Which has very clear evidence to support it.
@@chancebrown98and how do you know that your idea of when they were supposed to be able to build the pyramids is correct? The pyramids are basically giant rock piles. The slopes of the sides are basically the angle of repose of a mound of loose gravel. People have been stacking rocks since before H. sapiens was a species (I mean this in the sense that if you could meet one of our pre- H. sapiens ancestors, they would probably be smart enough to consider a person). The ancient cultures that built these giant pyramids were just the first cultures large enough to undertake work on such a massive scale, but fundamentally, it's stacking rocks. They already had extremely advanced knowledge of geometry, I think they could figure out big rock go on top of other big rock.
@@chancebrown98 You got the story wrong. Plato said that Timaeus told the story and that he heard it from his grandfather who heard it from Solon who heard it from an Egyptian priest. The problem is the story was written in 350 BC and Solon died in 560 BC or two hundred years before the story was written. There is no way that Timaeus' grandfather lived for over two hundred years to tell him the story. The story of Atlantis is just that, a story.
@@robo5013dude i had a great great grandmother that lived nearly 160 years ago and her stories are still with us.That is not that many generations.
William Scott-Elliot is the father of comic books!
Love your rational thinking and logic on everything you talk about. I really enjoy your way to explain things and the journey to a more than rational conclusion. Seeker of truth. Respect.
i think the craziest thing about human evolution and history is that from all we know, humans used to live in caves for tens of thousands of years. seemingly no technological advancements up to a certain point and i truly wonder if we are just wrong and that these long lost civilizations actually existed and are still buried deep beneath the earth and ocean or are simply lost to time. the progress humanity made within the last thousand years is just crazy when you think about that imo. and realistically, if it was real a million years ago, errosion could have easily destroyed any evidence of it.
But but but, you didnt debunk the richat structure theory! THAT MEANS IT'S TRUE! I KNEW IT!!!
If Graham Hancock ever watch this joke of yours he’ll probably laugh so hard he’ll break his jaw
Love tojr videos johnny probably the most informative journalist out tjere right now
This explains the UAPs!
I’m so sick of these UA-camrs doing “research” on the subject by reading Wikipedia and making videos thinking they know what they are talking about
it all started with Plato in western society. and the book you showed in 1:22, the name Lemuria is also given by west. actual name is "Kumari Kandam", but it was not a lost continent but an extension of indian subcontinent in south. but we lost it because of sea level rise after Ice age ended.
We are going to need sources for that. I would love to learn more about your theory.
@@seanaugagnon6383 Just google kumari kandam, its all over
It still exists. Today we call it Sri Lanka.
I love you Johnny! You make history and politics something interesting to be keen on. Thanks!
Rails against the evils and hoaxes of a map and then wants to sell it to us -genius.
Is this ancient apocalypse now? ... oh nvm
I dare you to make “Was the moon landing real”
Pretty sure he already has
Johnny is clearly a 50,000 year old Atlantean trying to keep his homeland hidden.
Your videos are awesome 💯😎
Random dude writes a sci-fi novel, complete with made-up maps.
100 years later, people go “Are they real?”
Imagine a hundred years from now people be like “Are LOTR, Marvel Comics real?
Atlantis is what the Europeans call the eye of the Sahara
So true! I’ve considered Plato as one of the fathers of science fiction for years. His story about Atlantis was basically the first alternate history story.
Lotr and Marvel won't be like this because we know the history in detail about who wrote this and the history of company who commissioned the comics. This only works for stuff where evidence is missing and it become too convulated with real history
@@bbartkyPlato didn't come up with it he heard it from Solan who was around when he was a kid pretty sure they are relative. They are both legends in their field and plato has actual stories about the world which are proven fact not sure why he would suddenly start making stuff up. I think Atlantis was real but not the way this author says it in that book but the way Plato explain it without all the technology and weird stuff.
so many Dungeons and Dragons maps floating around these days...
Don’t you dare drag Graham into your remarks. His ideas are nowhere near frivolous as the ones from this guy you made your video about
This is the kind of content, I love from this channel 🎉
Atlantis is likely NEITHER entirely real nor purely myth.
Instead, it may represent a blend of an actual historical place and thousands of years of evolving storytelling, which transformed it into the legend we know today. The best way to approach subjects like Atlantis is to maintain a truly open mind, even when considering theories that seem improbable or defy current scientific understanding. At the same time, it’s essential to filter these ideas through a logical and reasoned perspective, recognizing how historical events often evolve into folklore over generations. This balance allows for exploration without abandoning critical thinking. 14:41
The Richat Structure (the “Eye of the Sahara”) in Mauritania is a compelling candidate for the location of Atlantis. This massive circular formation, with its concentric rings, closely matches Plato’s description of Atlantis as a city surrounded by alternating rings of land and water. Thousands of years ago, during a wetter climate and higher sea levels, the Sahara was lush and likely connected to the Atlantic Ocean, placing the Richat Structure in a coastal or island-like environment. Over millennia, tectonic shifts and erosion transformed the area into the desert we see today. The geological features and environmental history make it a strong possibility that this site inspired the Atlantis legend.
I still think the Eye of the Sahara is where Atlantis was, since that place has been covered in water once upon a time
@@KnifeSotelo omg, another Jimmy cult follower. ATLANTIS SANK! Stop with the mental gymnastics just to make Jimmy's theory true. Even the Indigenous Americans say Atlantis was part of America and stretched to the Straight of Gibraltar. Richat Structure was underwater when the Sahara was lush, nows its above water. How is something above sea level considered sunken?
I was surprised he didn't mention it. I'm sure we have all seen it from Bright Insight
Honestly Bright Insight has some goofy videos, but I think he’s dead on on the eye of the Sahara.
It is. The historical genocide of all melanated people will not go unpunished. I don't think most people understand the lengths the Renaissance or "Rebirth" Period went to ethnically cleanse those of a darker persuasion out of Europe and separate them from anything advanced.
I would be extremely interested to hear more about this theory (I'm not ready to buy it yet but I would absolutely love to hear your reasons for thinking that), could you share more about this? Is there somewhere else I can go to learn more about this?
When I was in college I traveled to study in Turkey. I visited a merchant selling old maps. I’m almost certain these maps u have was IN HIS SHOP. Where did those come from? This was 1984 I was 19 studying from Texas
Take it easy, there's something called "copies" and "printers" that are used to reproduce documents
@@lkjhfdszxcvbnm NO SHIT !? ya think ?? Aren’t you just the brightest light on the string.
@@CLUB-th7pp I just wanted to let you know how Johnny Harris got identical maps like the ones a Turkish vendor had IN HIS SHOP!!😱😱😱
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I remember as a kid thinking I had found Atlantis. But I guess Atlanta is not the same think and it isn't exactly near the ocean 😂
The sligh ancient apocalypse diss was uncalled for
I can explain it simple:
1. People are people.
2. Functionality.
3. Intuitive design
You're an amazing storyteller, Johnny. I know there is a team behind them, but I'm glad you persisted through this journey to getting here, so thank you for making these interesting and informative videos!
"Look at this map. There's absolutely no way it isnt authentic.
Because it was drawn. "
Wow, did this guy just diss Graham Hancock!!? 18:30
Would love to hear more discussion about this!
YES!
So glad I found your channel yesterday. You have definitely got some of the best quality videos on UA-cam and the most interesting. Great work, thank you.
"Atlantis all starts with Playdough".
Wait, what?
Shows picture of an old guy in a toga.
Ahhh... Plato. I think i need another coffee...
Sameeeee 😂
Bro, keep all the original together but I'll definitely buy the prints. Keep up the good fight