What They Didn't Tell You About The PRX
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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@@KRE8TVT Max is getting soft now and isnt the "Watch Expert" that he thinks he is....
What makes me disappointed is the lack of screw down crown and the case back is a snap on. That is not convincing for swimming at all
I asked Tissot re concerns ( 5:11 ) about servicing "This watch, as all of our watches, can be serviced or adjusted (it is even recommended every 3-5 years). According to our policies, we warranty the availabitliy of the components for 10 years after the end of production. Please also be aware that the watch has to be serviced by an authorized service center in order to be according to our quality standards. Please don't hesitate if you have any other questions. Have a nice day, Tissot team
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The whole "screw down" argument is marketing BS. The key is you don't "operate" the watch while in the water.
A screw down crown does not "seal" anything. It serves to prevent accidental pulling of the crown out, not to assist in water resistance. Take any basic plumbing fitting and try to screw it together without an o-ring or gasket, and you'll quickly find out how much leak resistance threads provide.
1. 100m of Water resistance is only 10 atmospheres, or 150lbs/square inch. Not a lot of pressure, to be sure.
2. A properly designed seal leverages the outside pressure to create a better seal. As pressure increases, the seal becomes better. In fact in many screw down crowns, the threads are intentionally loose to provide ease of operation and to allow water pressure to leak past the threads so that water pressure helps provide sealing pressure.
I have no qualms taking my PRX to poolside or taking a shower with it. I just don't pull out the crown while the watch is in the water.
Hello. Watchmaker here. 5:14 it is indeed plastic, but the "heart" itself is a Nivachron hairspring that basically co-developed with swatch group and APRP, with that it made the watch anti-magnetic, and pallet fork with the escape wheel made out of the composite, it virtually create less friction and less impact. And also those C07 movements are highly serviceable, so it's not just throwaway movement, they use special lubricant compared to the common swiss lever 9415 oil which if other watchmaker out there have the proper lubricant they could fix this watch too, and also the rate is adjustable by adjusting the eccentric screw as FFS it's a free sprung balance. They exchange the movement so the turn around time of servicing is faster while the old movement sent to Swiss to service as we're not only servicing Tissot in the workshop but also up all the way to Breguet which need much more time to spend with.
Thanks for the additional information!
Where is your service center located?
@@WasabiGear NJ
Thanks! I went to the swatch service center recently and they offer amazing customer service
Er “it’s not just a throwaway movement” but “we exchange the movement” 🤔. Doesn’t sound “highly serviceable” to me. Sound like it’s not worth servicing, just replacing in its entirety.
As a PRX owner I can say that I love it. It is the most worn watch out of my collection.
also, I live in Sri Lanka so to get an integrated sports watch at all is a reach but to get on at that price is something else. In Sri Lanka Tissot is like most people's grail
@@nbcuni What a dumb thing to say. Max is one of the most objective people there is in the watch world.
@@nbcuni your wrist must be at least 7 inches to wear this watch.
That’s a wonderful comment. Most people in the world can not afford this watch. It’s rather special.
Bruh I’m from Lanka too where’d you get it ?
@@nbcuni lol love it
As a fan of 70's styling and Tissot watches, the prx is by far the best value watch in it's price point.
It has plastic parts that it is not serviceable and any $50 casio will last more than this automatic watsh, so how can it be the best??? Just because you paid %700 for plastic parts watch it is still the best, well my friend sorry to disappoint you but it is a shitty watch and every watchmaker will tell that to you...
@@Logonnect It's an affordable watch, you wear it for like 10 years then if the maintenance cost is too high you get a different watch. Still great for what it offers. It's not meant to be a forever watch like a luxury Rolex or Grand Seiko lol
@@Logonnectmy friend, sorry to disappoint you but you don’t know what you are talking about and you know nothing about watches.
Not only do I love the PRX, I just got the re-release of the Powermatic 80 Ice Blue, to accompany my quartz mint, and Blue Chrono. And the quartz has got to be THE most comfortable watch on wrist-ever. As an alternative, I would suggest the new Alpina Alpiner Extreme on rubber. Fabulous watch.
To offset one of the cons you mention, I own a PRX, and the hands are actually one of the reasons that made me like this watch: they are simple and discreet yet the brush/polish/lume alternation gives them just enough style not to be dull in my eyes
That being said, as an alternative integrated-bracelet sport watch there is the Yema Wristmaster, I think it looks awesome as well. It's a bit more expansive (900€ vs 750€ for the PRX where I live) but still in the same bracket.
I absolutely LOVE the PRX auto. My most worn watch amongst many more expensive watches, including a Royal Oak. It's a beauty at this price point, and I couldn't be happier with the impulsive purchase. Oh and also, the movement isn't really a throw-away movement lol
I find it hard to believe that you would wear a PRX over a royal oak. I also have both. Prx is the best value watch but its not that great.
@@Mysteryboy0007 i wear it more than my royal oak. I am not saying it's better, of course not. But for a commoner like me, i only wear the royal oak to nicer places or occasions. I cant afford to get jumped, haha
One of the biggest plus points is the value of the PRX (which you highlighted as well), especially in quartz. I have the blue and black Powermatic versions as I prefer mechanical watches.
The watches wear well on my wrist and are comfortable to wear. One of my more-worn watches (though a recently-acquired Black Bay 58 seems to be taking over for me).
I have Seastar instead but same calibre. I just faced that "easy to move" by myself when I try yo remove the strap by my own just to get a picture of its back, and it keeps working for few hours after I finished re-installing my strap.
I have the PRX. It’s my daily watch and one of my favorites. I love the aesthetic of the watch. the sharp edges and the band. The band reminds me of the vintage casios that got me into watches in the first place. For me the design is a perfect balance of 80s scifi-inspired design and the elegance of a royal oak.
It looks nice, but it has plastic parts that it is not serviceable and any $50 casio will last more than this automatic watch...
@@Logonnect we will see how it stands the test of time but it’s just my beater watch. My nicer watches are a 16233 Rolex date just with the white pyramid dial and a Longines Legend Diver watch (bronze).
I truly respect your honesty. And I agree with you on every point. I saw the watch in AD, tried it on, decided against it due to exact reason about how it wears blocky on wrist. Integrated bracelet is actually not easy to design. You will have to get the proportion exactly right.
Mentioning that a movement is disposable and without the possibility of service just because it has plastic parts sounds like a snoob phrase, I have read many watchmakers who service this type of watches, the video lacks real arguments talking about the machinery
I can confirm that, if you give the watch to Tissot/Swatch they just throw a new movement in there. They are not worth the time for a service.
Get the Quartz instead, thinner more accurate watch.
@@blackout8845 Tudor does the same, yet nobody seems to mind that
@@LogicKidroy not accurate at hitting the markers at least
@@Domowoi2 Tudor will service your watch. Tissot won't service your powermatic 80.
I've had my PRX Powermatic 80 for about a year and a half now- I have a slightly larger wrist- the curvature of the larger than normal lug to lug actually hugs my wrist nicely- and whenever I wear it I can't believe how great it looks, especially for a sub $1k watch.... outstanding value for money for those of us with the wrist to pull it off. Not one I'd recommend buying online without trying it on first though.
Absolutly love that watch. And the most worn over a Tudor Black Bay 41 and a Longines Hydroconquest blue dial auto. Even if (and maybe because) it is the cheapest watch of my modest collection. It's class, and I am not too scared about getting it scratched or shocked. It is also the watch I am wearing, the most complimented so far. The 80hrs power reserve keep it always ready to go after a long weekend (time for more casual watches). On the top, lucky me, it wears perfectly on my wrist.
The PRX is my first automatic watch. I love it, wear it almost every day. Of all the things mentioned, I agree most that the case shape is a little “boxy and unrefined.” It is a fair jab, it jumped out at me when I first tried it on, but I was willing to look past it because the watch still spoke to me-and it has become less noticeable with time. I get what you’re saying overall, sometimes a watch just doesn’t do anything for you. I feel that way about most (not all) Seikos-it is a great watch company, but when I look at a lot of their pieces it just doesn’t do anything for me.
It's now a month later, and I am looking at treating myself to my first automatic watch after completing my bachelors degree (mind you this will be in February so there is some time still, but I like being informed xD). Would you still recommend the watch or have you spotted other options that are a good shout at this price range?
I'm happy to see you post this discussion. The PRX was visually intriguing at first, but something didn't click with me. Even when I saw them in person, I wasn't tempted to even try it on. I think your points made here are spot on.
I own this watch. My first mechanical Swiss Made timepiece. My wrist is 6.75 inches. I have to agree that it wears big on my wrist and borderline of what wrist size can take. I changed the bracelet with the OEM Leather Strap from Tissot (Alligator Blue). It feels better on the wrist and it hugs the my wrist very well. Not the most comfortable at first and it needs a break-in time but if you can pass that stage it feels and looks awesome. I find the movement very accurate. I have 2 quarts movement beside it when I was testing its accuracy, and I can say is very accurate and true to the 80 hour power reserve. Not a perfect watch but I love it for it looks and for the price of money I paid for it.
For a similar price, I bought the Seiko Alpinist, the one without the internal rotating bezel, or "Baby alpinist" as some call it. It isn't without it's flaws, but the gorgeous blue dial, 200m water resistance, and an overall nice and comfortable design, make it in my opinion a good option of getting a sporty watch with some dressyness to it, which has some explorer vibes without being a straight homage or copy.
Agreed, I really love my green dial Baby Alpinist. I could build a three watch collection with it if forced to.
What are the flaws with it?
@@MrTaib-kj4ib Just meaning that it's not perfect, but some things I can say are:
It has a lot of polished surfaces and doesn't seem to have much hardening treatment, which maked it a scratch magnet. Being a kind of field watch I think it would be better with more brushing.
It could have a bit more lume. Only has little dots.
Being of the prospex line, and not having a particulary pretty movement, i wouldn't have given it a show caseback, and made it a bit thinner in the proces.
I''ve read that the movement isn"t as relyable as other ones by seiko.
The unsigned crown isn't a flaw, but having a signed ctown would have been nice at it's price point.
I have the PRX in green. Absolutely love it. I switch between the bracelet and the rubber straps (black and green) every so often. Like you said it’s not perfect, but what watch is? It’s a regular part of the rotation for me.
THANK YOU! I was about to buy the 35mm automátic but I'll stick with the quartz one. Does anyone know if a mint 35mm quartz version will be around?
I am wearing an identical PRX right now. And, last night, I got home from a rather stressful week of work and stuff. During the week, I had a second honeymoon with my discontinued Hamilton Khaki Scuba Navy (the day/date version), but as I was driving home at 3 o'clock this morning, I was only looking forward to putting the PRX on my wrist. Among my collection of 10 watches, the PRX is not the most expensive, nor the most special watch I own, but I do like it a lot for several reasons, albeit at least one of them is sentimental. The main negative thing for me is that it is a scratch magnet. But, I love the feeling of it hugging my 7 1/4 wrist, and the light play of the bracelet is hypnotic.
I admit the design is a bit generic whilst at the same time it's unique enough to be its own, and it is plenty pretty to look at. And it does look fairly expensive/ high-end.
As for the movement, I've only had it since September last year, and it has been accurate and reliable (but so would even most cheap knockoffs available in Turkish alleys).
Maybe my opinion will change once it becomes time for service, but as I have worn this piece for way more than two weeks, and I still smile and get mesmerised when I look at it.
The last point I feel to make is the so-called "soul scale," where I feel this might only score 5,5/10. So, it's like a Mercedes, whereas my vintage gold Certina Bristol with an in-house movement is like an Alfa Romeo and nets a perfect 10/10.
I do respect your opinion, and I can kinda see where you're coming from. Also, as the PRX is so popular, many brands are trying to get in on the action, and many of them are doing great things for a reasonable budget, and thus gives the average man with a Genta itch more options to not look towards Tissot, and maybe for a reason.
(Sorry, I was just gonna make a quick comment, but it got a bit out of hand. The curse of being a former journalist)...
It's always great to hear your thoughts Max and I tend to agree with them quite a lot of the time. OK confession time, I have the PRX along with some more and less expensive watches. I also knew before I purchased the watch that it may have synthetic parts and it could be difficult to regulate outside of the factory. I also checked the factory service costs and they seem reasonable. I'm not that bothered if during service if the regulator bits are replaced or the complete movement, given labour costs it could go either way I guess. For a complete service the cost is cheaper than I can get locally and I get a 2 year warranty on the service. Oddly I did connect with my PRX and even after around a few years I still enjoy wearing it but we're all different. All good that we appreciate different watches for different reasons. All the best Max. Once again it's great to hear your thoughts.
What is the price to service powermatic 80 at factory?
So if there is no regulator how are you supposed to regulate the watch after you dropped it or bumped into something and it runs off.
I bought an ice-blue 35mm. I'm happy with the size, there are no gaps on my slightly less than 7" wrist and I like the sunburst dial more than the waffle. I have no problem with owning a few quartz watches. I don't like the designs of the Royal Oak, Nautilus, etc. To each his/her own.
I love the overall proportions but unfortunately the dial is way too small for my tastes.
I got the 35mm quartz version for the same reason. It is easy to wear, and is more in line with the sizes of the watches that this design is based on. Also, this is an entry-level watch after all, and you are able to pick these up at a discount. Oddly enough, it's one of the few watches I get complimented on.
@@watching_nyc no one can be criticized for personal tastes (there are limits, though, which are somewhere short of the Invicta gladiator Chrono.😊)
I love that one - my wrist is about 7.25in, and I was looking at the 35mm I’ve blue or mint. I think the smaller one would be very comfortable, and has much better value for money - I have enough auto’s
I love my gold-tone 35mm PRX! I don’t love quartz, but my wife prefers it and this is the rare watch we both really like to wear. I’d prefer an eta auto, but not the Powermatic 80.
I'm looking for a orange/ yellow/ red dial for around 300-400$. I already have an orient and a Seiko. Any suggestions ?
I also own the PRX. Great watch and my most complimented watch by far. I highly recommend it but the 40mm wears very big on smaller wrists. My wrist is 18cm and fits perfectly.
Are you saying 40mm fits perfect on your wrist?
Not sure plastic means throw away. I know there are Seiko models from the 70s-80s using plastic parts that are still serviceable and in use. Not allowing for timing adjustments though seems like an odd choice.
Because it's not a throwaway movement and yes you could adjust the timing too.
It's a throwaway movement. Fact.
@@thegorn unless you're speaking in behalf of the ETA manufacturer or have a knowledge as you work there, it is not a fact. They exchanged the movement in the service center so that the customer received back their watch much more quicker, and then we repackage the movement, ship 'em old customer movements out to Swiss to service to dismantle, wash, relubricate, fixing the parts that needed, broken parts would be collected and remade to become new parts, regulated and tested again, went to QC then repackage it then sent to the service center around the world to use again as an exchange movement.
@@watchnerds Thanks for the insider knowledge. Despite knowing this as my Hamilton Pilot Pioneer 36mm uses the similar movement, I still love this watch as it is.
@@sergelim1990 Hamilton if I recall didn't use this composite escapement, as it was tech that was made by Tissot in the 80s with their "idea2001" watch with most of the component are made to have a friction and lubrication free, but I don't think they share the movement to another brand, except if it has less jewel than the other similar movement, 23rubies vs 25 rubies, which compensate the two rubies in the pallet fork
Does Seiko propex alphinist compass has plastic movement too . Because i am planning to buy it
Hello Max, you mentioned there is no other brand to compare in the same segment, other than the big boys, AP, PP, IWC. What do you think about Nivada Grenchen F77, a comparisson between the tissot and this one would be appreciated
I have the 40 ice blue automatic and it’s beautiful a little overhyped the only problem is that I can’t get the perfect fit it’s either too tight or just a bit loose but it does lay flat on top of your wrist so it really doesn’t move if it had a few micro adjustments it would be perfect
I was having that trouble with getting the correct adjustment on the strap. I found that half a link would be either too loose or too tight. I found that removing both half links and replacing them with one full link got a great fit. Hope this helps.
Btw it should be noted that a 35mm PRX with the Powermatic 80 is on the way. There was even a review on youtube recently however it was made private I believe because Tissot did not want it out as yet so pretty safe to say it would be coming sometime soon.
What do you think of the Maurice Lacroix Aikon in comparisen with the PRX?
As a PRX owner, I still love the watch. Only thing that bothers me is that it’s a bit too big for my 6,2 inch wrist and the 35mm is too small. And the butterfly clasp is amazing, but it also means no micro adjustments and it gets really uncomfortable if your wrist swells. So probably have to add a link and wear it a bit loose
I’m waiting for the ice blue auto to be restocked. As far as serving, I thought these movements are affordable “off the shelve” movements? Would you be able to just replace the movement in 5-10 years which would cost less or the same as a service? Anyway, I enjoyed the video and the information. As a newbie in watch collecting I like watching videos like this
I was set on making my first Swiss watch the Tissot Gentleman Powermatic 80. I was in the store ready to buy until I saw the PRX. I think the hype and shininess and newness of the watch made me choose the PRX. Well I sold it after 3 months of owning it. It probably spent 2 of those months in the watch box. Lesson learned though, and now I’m set to buy the watch I really wanted.
I disagree with your saying that 39mm needs to be the norm-- I have an 8" wrist and think the normal PRX is the perfect size.. for me.
The 35mm quartz PRX is the one to get. It's cheaper, great size, since these integrated bracelets wears larger and the quartz movement makes it hassle free and true to its origins. If only they came out with the leather straps for the smaller version too.
If you do want a 35mm watch, take a look at some of the HMT watches from India. Search for the mechanical ones, and the value for money is sure to make many people happy!
Nop! The hands never align with the markers, it uses a very low quality movement, and the battery only last 2 years, and the back cover is push-in and push out like a 30-dollar watch, shameful!
For my wife would be great, not for me.
@@ogarzabello Maybe the back cover is easier to take off so that people can replace the battery that lasts two years that you were complaining about.
I got the 40 Quartz as I have a larger wrist. I agree the Quartz is the way to go, love mine.
I bought one and you are right. I don’t wear it. I found the watch kinda interesting because of the shape and bought it as my first Tissot. But now I am worried: does my Mido Ocean Star tribute also have plastic in its powermatic 80 movement?
Composite on watches has been existing for quite a while, in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used.
The thing is that the quartz 35mm prx is the most faithful reissue of the 35mm quartz prx that tissot used to make, its not the best size for everyone but it is closest to its roots out of all the other prx watches
35mm PM80 with waffle dial is coming. So far in white, black, blue or green variant
@@watchnerds where did u get that info from
Nice video...I agree on the hands and lug to lug especially. I sold my PRX because it just didn't charm me, I love the look but ended up keeping my Batavi Architect as it just had the charm the prx didn't. The dials ooze character on the architect.
Weirdly I think it actually came out before the PRX despite looking remarkably similar.
I do want to should out the bracelet finishing in the PRX though, amazing for the money.
I own a PRX with the blue waffle style dial on a leather strap and this piece is so freaking dope. This piece was a steal having only paid $470 for it from Jomashop to boot, no complaints whatsoever here😊
Love My PRX blue Powermatic. Comfortable with a great looking dial. The thing that keeps me going back to it is the way the watch and bracelet play with light. It sparkles and moves me like no other affordable watch I have seen. I can't spend thousands on a watch. I really appreciate Tissot giving me the opportunity to enjoy this fine of a watch for $500 US. 😊
The way a wave of light comes across each link of the the bracelet is amazing. I catch myself fascinated by it so the time.
I love my PRX but i went with the quartz, as i thought the automatic was a little expensive for what i was looking for. I also wanted an everyday watch that i didnt have to worry about knocking around and dont like wearing my automatic watches for that. Plus a sapphire crystal for £300 was a steal. I did go with the 35mm though as i have small wrists and with the extra lug to lug because of the bracelet, it works perfectly for me. I am 100% in agreement about the dial hands though, i wish they looked a little nicer. But for an everyday wear im really happy with it.
I bought the Ice Blue because I love the dial color. At my age I will poop out before the watch. The worst part of the watch is the bracelet clasp pushers. They dig into my skin. What were they thinking?
will the watch last longer than 5 years? im looking to buy a prx 35mm and dont want it to be a throw away😂
Just bought a PRX with the Green dial for my birthday and I am amazed at how clean and how high quality it is. Looks so much better in person.
Nice, and I concur to a certain extent. I shy away from integrated bracelets and this watch by extension for several reasons. First, I've done the integrated bracelets thing many times before. SEIKO Kinetic in the late 80s and a couple Citizen Solar Titaniums in the 90s. Second, integrated bracelet watches by their nature tend to be GADA watches. In other words, people who buy and wear them probably don't have large collections. The PRX would be perfect in a ~6-8 watch collection. Me personally? GADA watches make me uneasy, purpose made watches encourage watch swapping and deciding which watch to wear is the engaging part of the hobby.
Third, I like the opportunity to swap straps! Being able to change the feel and personality of the watch is more fun!
No judgment on the PRX; I think it's a great watch for someone else. It's just not for me! 😊
I couldn't afford the automatic since I just recently got a job and I'm so happy with my Quartz It looks so darn well and its my first ever watch and it made me feel so confident it made me feel so happy just looking at it which makes it the best watch for me.
I looked at this but decided on the Seiko Alpinist 1959 in the green dial. Removed the leather strap and bought a Strapcode beads of rice straight end bracelet for it and it made a great daily beater that you're not worried to wear around and about in London. For a cheap daily watch, you just cannot beat Seiko.
@@BrianDPrice1 get your money game up boyyyyyy
This is an amazing video and absolute hats off to a creator who can objectively look at a product, especially one that be so beloved by so many! Really awesome video! As a Tissot owner, I have my biases but the criticism is absolutely true!
I still love mine but I had no idea there was plastic in the movement and the small crown bothers me a bit when winding it. Your other points don't hit for me because I have a 7.5 inch wrist and it fits like a glove while looking like Baywatch lifeguard on the wrist. The throw away movement point is debatable because Tissot will service it (at a cost) after warranty is up.
Pallet fork with the escape wheel made out of the composite, it virtually create less friction and less impact as the 80h barrel carries a lot more torque than the other movement around the same range in the market.
Did you recon that the 7750 also has „plastic“ parts in it? And this is a reliable and highly appreciate movement.
Glad to see an honest review of this watch from you! I have a PRX-alike from Batavi which has a hi-beat Miyota 9039, a better-looking stamped dial, and some nice polished indices, in 39mm case shape for less than the PRX. You might have liked one of those more. Cheers!
Lookwise the Batavi seems to solve all the issues I have with the PRX. Thank you so much. This is more or less exactly what I was looking for!
Just take note that the actual lug to lug is still at 50+mm due to the bracelet
@@ItsPitterPatter Yeah, I saw when I looked up reviews. Not ideal for my rather slim wrist. Unfortunate because I really really like the dial.
Own a blue PRX Powermatic for 18mons now and it gets a lot of wrist time as it is a genuine GADA watch. So honeymoon phase not over yet. Might change in case issues with the movement arise, but for the time being it runs very accurate and reliable. One thing though: Found the bracelet to be a huge scractch magnet, much quicker than all the other watches that I have in my rotation.
I love the dial of the PRX. Even the handset and date. What I don’t love is how wide the flat element on top of the case is. It leads to an incredibly wide bracelet that looks like a shackle on your wrist. It’s just too much steel (or rubber if you go that route) for my taste. I’d be curious to compare this to an IB watch with a narrower bracelet like the Nivada F77.
Hello. They have now released the 35 mm automatic version. It is exactly like the 40mm but more compact.
But they removed the waffle dial and added gold, definitely not what most people wanted
@@ItsPitterPatter They released the men's versions, which look identical to the 40 mm ones.
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@@flaviusjurj6960 which country? can you post the link? thanks
@@flaviusjurj6960 interesting. When is Tissot going to announce this?
I recently got a Maen Manhattan, 37mm integrated, the PRX has no wrist time now, Any offers on a green dial PRX 80?😂
So what happens if you take it for service after the 4yr window
It got serviced...
Had one and returned it back to the store for the same reasons you have mentioned in the video. Plastic escapement wheel was the detail that made me to bring the final decision. Also, I would mention lack of micro adjustment on the bracelet. I just couldn't hit the sweet spot... Anyway, it is a great value for money. I am considering Certina DS Action Diver in 38mm now. That powermatic doesn't have plastic parts (.611 version).
Well... Composite on watches has been existing for quite a while, in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used. So it shouldn't become a reason to worry about that.
@@watchnerds tnx for your reply 🙂
The size is my biggest gripe - totally hear you on ‘why can’t they make watches in the sweet spot of 37-38mm. That size is perfect for the average male wrist size.
What are your thoughts on the MAEN Manhattan? Does it beat the PRX?
Thanks for that. I’ve been waiting for someone to voice this.
To the point of the movement- I own the Tissot Gentleman with the powermatic 80 silicium and it does have an 80 hours power reserve, for a fact🤷🏼♂️.
My Gentleman yielded 82 hours in my own test fully wound and the PRX 86 hours. So both did quite a bit more than advertised. Plus both movements are fully serviceable - info in video is unfortunately inaccurate.
I totally agree about the case length! I had to sell mine because it wears so large. And I have quite large wrists 7.25. They should definitely make a 37.5 as the 35 is tiny.
As for the Laurier brand i though they were using plastic glass!
For the Tissot. I honestly would buy it again in a smaller size as the finishing and brushing are really excellent.
@@IDKline well then average +
That case wears too large on my wrist. Get it?
I am glad you brought these flaws up. I have been trying to like this watch since it's release and tried it on multiple times... Just don't feel it enough to pull the trigger.
Totally agree that at that price people should be looking at micro brands. I recently bought a Traska Venturer GMT and it punches well above its weight class. The thing is an absolute spec monster. Finishing is good. Case dimensions are perfect. It has a traveler GMT movement. Mine keeps pretty good time at about +10 a day. It could easily be a 1 watch collection IMO.
Its only a few parts that are out of plastic and there is a version of the movement without plastic so would it be possible to switch those parts out?
The quality of the watch other than those plastic parts is so high for the price and it just looks beautiful. So maybe a switch of parts or the entire movement would be worth for big fans. Maybe Tissot themselves will put a more Premium Version out if they recieve enough feedback/critique about the movement.
Composite (the so called "plastic) on watches has been existing for quite a in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too.
Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used.
Man I do agree! It’s a great watch but it’s far from perfect. Whenever I pick it up I feel it’s so close but not my thing. Hopefully it will get improved.
Interestingly i've been told that Sistem51 IRONY can be serviced and it is different than the first gen of Sistem51. I bought it and after few years it need service and they told me it is cheaper to just pay to change the movement. I guess PRX might be the same then ? I mean, both are 80 hours power reserve if you know what i mean.
I have AP Royal Oak, PRX quartz 40 and 35. I love them all. PRX quartz > powermatic because I already have the Royal Oak for my automatic fix. Quartz have better sunburst dials than the powermatic waffle. And no overlaps with my Royal Oak sometimes I need a quartz or I’m going travelling or venturing out to unsafe places.
I experienced similar thing, last week I just discovered the PRX and was really interested. However, when I went to try it in store, I didn't feel anything. It looks great on the website but it's just not for me.
Wow, it has plastic parts? I haven't heard anyone talk about this. Does this apply to a lot of the other Swatch group brands with 80 hour movements, like the Hamilton movements?
I think only in Tissot... Though composite on watches has been existing for quite a while, in fact, date mech on japanese watches and also used on Omega 1xxx movements, lemania 5100s which some wheel and bridges and 1861's chronograph wheel brake, valjoux 7750s hour counter brake too, and also Tissot Idea2001. I think "the controversial" usage of composite element in the escapement pretty much even now in Tissot watches was also due to their research on that Idea2001 watch too, which have less friction during the runs of it, and it's also part of their heritage too, though Swatch also used the Tissot tech in the watch they produce. And it seem at some points there's just a stigma about any formulation of "plastic product" as cheap, while the process that produce that escapement is actually quite a technical achievement in and of itself. And also I haven't seen yet C01/C07 composite escapement melted by far inside a movement due to impact which happens during the locking phase of the escapement. There's nothing I could say about this as it's still a pretty new like from 2008. Though, from what I see from the Tissot Idea 2001, the escapement was "self lubricating" too, and due to less friction I guess there is less heat that was being generated by the impact of the working escapement, though there is the wear and tear factor that could happens with this escapement, I might have to mention too that the normal steel grinding against ruby for quite a long time could also produce the wear and tear of the ruby itself starting with scratches then the steel and the ruby was eating themselves out, just like sapphire crystal of a watch that has been worn for quite a bit without care, it could led to scratches too. Conclusion, material wise, it'll just behave like the usual escapement, have to be maintained too, though I might add it should be handled carefully as you don't want to deform the escapement at all, which would mess with the geometry it was produced as accurately as possible, causing bad performance if used.
Are you sure the parts movement are plastic?
For £600 you are able to get an Omega Geneve from the 70s. Very similar looking case. Handwound and automatic movements are both out there. And the 166.099 has an integrated bracelet.
I have it and the watch is really awesome! The only critic that it doesn't have micro adjustment, other than that it's really a beautiful watch
I actually do not believe you. It feels like you made a “hater” video to get more views.
Yep, that’s all that I picked up from here. Even watches that cost as much as a house still have flaw. It’s the way he structured his video strikes me as I’m not like other guys type of things. He pointed out the flaws, but they are nothing big as he made it out to be
That's your opinion. And that's his opinion. I did not like 40mm PRX, did not wow me at all. But I bought 35mm PRX auto for my mom, she likes it. 35mm looks better than 40.
What’s not believable? Plenty of people don’t like the PRX. And he mentions a great
Bro please tell me whether Prx powermatic is serviceable or not , it’s going to be my first ever expensive watch but this video got me into dilemma to buy or not
@@vardhankamat4225Ask Tissot themselves. They should be able to service it.
Well, I absolutely love the PRX. Probably my favourite watch out of my 22 watches and I have various of the sameish price point and some even more expensive. I certainly have watches with better specs, be it screw down crowns or casebacks, be it 300m of WR, whatever. The PRX is not perfect of course (no watch is!). We all would like a 4hz movement, screws on the bracelet, maybe for it to be 2mm smaller, whatever. It's a 600 dollar watch and Idk why, but the truth is that when I put it on it just feels right and at the end of the day, all I care is that a watch is beautiful and feels right on my wrist while telling accurate time - and the PRX certainly does all that for me. I guess we can't all be the same - and that's the beauty with watches. Plenty on the market for all of us to enjoy!
I love my PRX - its the silver and rose gold one. I hate that it now has some scratches :( and I am kind of annoyed that it scratched so easily. This colour combo looks super classy and everyone notices it. The lume is horrible thats the one thing they should fix
I agree, I own 7 Tissot watches, two of which have sentimental value and 5 bought by myself. PRX is a watch I have not connected with, bought it because of the hype and tried to love it without success, people need to realise it is not for everyone and really does not wear comfortably on my wrist at all…
For someone with a larger wrist, the 1st point doesn't bother me. The third point was answered by watchnerds comment down below.
But I absolutely agree with you on the 2nd point. Outside of the crown, it's the only thing I'm not wild about.
I really wish the hands were more expressive.
It's got me looking at Tudor for my next watch for that very reason (even though the price point is waaaay different).
When my new seiko with the 4R36 broke a gear for the mechanism of adjusting the date, seiko took it in, threw the movement in the bin without looking at it and just put in a new movement, just how things are done and what makes sense today with how little it cost to make the movement compared to having a watchmaker accualy do watchmaking.
u are using 35mm or 40mm?
Hey, Max, you are not alone! I am not a fan of the PRX either. Tried one on, and it just didn't click for me.
Only integrated bracelet watch I have is a 70s Tudor 9101, which is indeed 38mm. It’s not that refined, but it’s pretty good and is an original design.
I love my PRX! I watched this video to see if I could find something to not like about it, and after watching your video I still love my PRX!
Thank you! Having tried both the PRX Auto and the Tsuyosa, I went with Tsuyosa and never looked back. BTW, I could've had 3 Tsuyosa for the money Tissot ask. BUT! You're severely underrating the Powermatic 80.
I don't trust anyone that never mentions the 90s era Omega Constellation when they talk about this watch
I haven’t had a chance to see it on the wrist yet, but I do enjoy the design. Gentry just did a video showcasing the Nivada F77, I’d love to see what you think of that watch. Also maybe check out the Yema Wristmaster.
I love your videos, sometimes I don’t always agree (in this case I do enjoy the Icy blue PRX, but I also appreciate that watches are mechanical pieces of wearable art and therefore subject to individual tastes) but I always enjoy hearing your perspective.
Btw, that PRX looks great on your wrist.
Overall I enjoyed the video. Though the watch maker in the comments made great points for serviceability. I think it would be only right to double check what he is saying, to confirm and maybe update the video?
Btw, are we getting any W&W coverage from you?
Lastly, thank you for putting so much time and effort into your videos. Again, love them!
Thanks James. Didn't make it to W&W, maybe next year
Thanks for that point of view 👍
Great video, thanks Max, eye opening......
The 35mm in blue powermatic is my second most expensive purchase after a vintage omega seamaster. It is my "grail" and it has scratched my itch for looking at different watches to continue buying. While I don't abuse it and wear it on days or occasions where I'm clearly going to mess it up like gym or working on site, I don't baby it, its got minor scuffs all over the bracelet already. But it has become part of my basic uniform.
You're spot on with the nit picks, but at the pricepoint you're right nothing else brings the same design and value.
i just got my iceblue prx last week, still wear it everyday. love it. Although its quite acheap watch for my status but I won’t care others’ think.
I ordered mine on April 30th and received it today. (Ice blue dial) I powered it up and waited 30 minutes put it on my timegrapher and was amazed to find that it was - 20 seconds with a beat error of 2.4 ms in multiple positions. And I noticed that it is not able to be regulated. Literature I have read tells me that it was supposed to be "laser" regulated at the factory... I don't know what kind of laser they use but somebody screwed up
So... I don't know why everyone freaking out about this because since history... Any big watch manufacturers do regulate the balance weight by removing the material on its rim thus making it "balance" with laser, thus laser regulating. It has to do with the regulating organ poising, not fine adjustment, so it could have better isochronism. But fine adjustment in this movement can be done by adjusting the inertia of the balance, rotating an eccentric screw in the balance spokes like gyromax in AP or Patek, instead the active length of the hairspring. And also, you might need to increase the sensitivity of your timegrapher microphone as the escapement has less friction and also self lubricating, it won't make a loud tick tack sound that would be detected by the timegrapher, even our timegrapher is put inside a container that insulate sounds to get more accurate reading.
Agree, that the normal PRX doesn’t feel special or exciting on the wrist, however, to me the chrono version PRX is a different call game. I’ve got the white panda with rose gold hands version, and it excites me every time I wear it. It pops, and looks bangin!
Congrats,the panda is very nice looking
Ha i had the exact opposite experience. When I first ordered the PRX Quartz from Tissot, I loved the way it looked but I knew i preferred automatic. I ended up returning the quarts for a black powermatic 80 and was all smiles at the watch. I have 8.5" wrist so i felt like it fit perfectly, had a great look, and was completely enamored. My other loved watches in my collection are my SPB121, SPB119, and Hamilton Khaki Murph 42mm, but none of those generated the same excitement I got from wearing the PRX auto for the first time. Honestly if i had to dump all my watches and only keep 1, it'd be a tight battle between the PRX and the SPB119 lol... I can't say who would win tho.
Hi I've got the mint PRX and love it to bits thank you for till me about Automatic paramedic 80 wow
I bought the powermatic 80 with the green dial…paid $750 it’s a nice watch that’s part of my rotation..my wrist is a mighty 7.25”. And fits like a glove..oh, one last thought, if I’m going to be in dicey locations not as safe as I’d like, I’m keeping my Omegas and Rolex at home..the PRX will tell me the “time” just fine ..
If you've got 7.25" wrists you're probably gonna be fine in the ghetto.
I'm with you. I feel like I should really like it but I didn't so I returned it, even though it's stunning looking. Picked up a Brew Retrograph instead, which must be more me.
Got the Green waffle dial automatic. I love it, Despite its flaws it is still worth it if you want an integrated bracelet.
Heyyy... thought I was the only one not absolutely gaga over the PRX.
Maybe it's because I already own the stunning Direnzo Mondial, for similar $$, but designed to perfection, with soft curves all-round. That's the Swiss-made integrated bracelet watch I'd recommend 100% of the time.
You are a brave man! I actually thought of getting one untill I tried one on my wrist. My cravings went away quick.