The Weirdest Pedals We Love!
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2023
- Rhett and Zach are rolling old school. No guests today, just our two hosts, chatting about all things gear and tone. Today, the guys are talking about modern pedals.
These days, pedals are getting weirder and more complicated than we could have ever imagined, even just a few years ago, as loads of new models draw inspiration from modular synthesis, drum machines, and big leaps in technology.
Some pedals make things more complicated-with buttons on buttons, operating systems that need updates, and user interfaces that are both unique and sometimes confusing-while others may help you simplify your rig-imagine a distortion pedal with an LFO that might replace your need for a separate tremolo unit. Basically, there are few limits on what you can do with a pedalboard if you’re willing to do a deep dive. And if you can’t find a pedal that does what you want, it might be on the way.
But our hosts have differing opinions. Rhett is down to do a deep dive on options, while Zach likes to keep things a little simpler. They suss out their differences and share their own takes, with shout-outs to Chase Bliss, Beetronics, Acorn, and Intensive Care Audio. They also discuss what they think is coming next in pedal and guitar design, and what they’d like to see come along (guitars using control voltage, please).
Later, they dip a rig based around a cool Eastman that catches Rhett’s eye, and a Line 6 HX Effects. With key pieces from Fender, Gibson, Boss, and more, what could be improved?
In shill mode, Zach hypes his Two-Rock Joey Landreth head, and Rhett is all-in on his Chase Bliss Mood.
Rhett and Zach want to know which guests you’d like to see! Post your requests in the comments on UA-cam to help them brainstorm future episodes.
01:12 Zach Gets to Met His Hero
02:49 Positron Colider
03:52 Update on Rhett's Studio Build and New Music
05:05 A Challenge?
06:45 Are Guitar Pedals Getting Too Weird?
09:10 Mythos' New Chorus Prototype
09:41 Josh Smith's POLY Overdrive
11:42 Empress ZOIA
31:45 Chase Bliss Mood MkII
39:14 Beetronics
40:02 Acord Solid State
41:50 Intensive Care Audio Fideleater
42:10 Westerland Boost
42:57 Final Thoughts on Weird Pedals
47:55 Time to Dip a Rig
58:07 Shill of the Week
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I’d like to see Madison Cunningham, Warren Haynes, and Daniel Steinhardt as guests 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Perfect ❤
Madison Cunningham would be great!
I'd also love to see Madison on here.
Agreed. Gotta even it out. We’ve seen Mick. Let’s get Dan in!
I just heard Zakk Wylde say Warren Haynes can do everything. Play guitar, wash the dishes, fix the car, build a house 😂
100% Tom Bukovac!! Session guy, love his takes on tone.
Yvette Young, Tom Bukovac, Joel Korte, Cyberattack Guy, Josh Smith, Emily Hopkins, Joan of Hearts....those would be cool guests in my humble opinion.
Also, pedals can never get too weird for me, but they don't have to be crazy complicated. Simple and weird would be good 🤔
I'm so with Zach on this one. Simple equals creativity for me. I've ultimately sold every pedal that requires tweaking.
Absolutely YES
Yep, the more knobs and switches, internal dip switches, the less I Will use it. Amazingly I work in technology but when it comes to music, I want to plug in and start playing/creating, not constant tweaking. I can achieve sounds and layers with separate modulation pedals each doing their own thing
Agreed 100%. My favorite amps & pedals typically have about 3 knobs - set it & forget it. I'd much rather twiddle with 3 knobs a piece on 8 pedals until I find what I like, than constantly be fussing around with 20 knobs on ONE pedal. The pedal I have with the most knobs/switches is the Fooz, but I found one setting that I love and leave it on 98% of the time. Expression pedal makes it SO much more fun!
Isaiah Mitchell of Earthless and The Black Crowes. He is an incredibly interesting player doing things that you would find "Unconventional" and his guitar tone and ability is off the charts. He's gonna be an unsung hero in the future that people will look back at like Terry Kath.
As a guitarist who loves modular, thank you for the modular advocacy Rhett. Euro and synth world is where so much of today’s music tech innovation lives.
This was such a fascinating conversation to watch? And to hear a debate by two guitarists on modular? @rhettshull did a video years ago on Eurorack and wondered if it was still on his mind? 🤔 It clearly still is? 😎
Do you think some level of preset control can be achieved with CV & patch routing preset modules? I would presume so.
@@andrewpalmer1849 yes, tons of options for modules to do this type of thing on the market. Automating changes and dynamically evolving settings is very old news 🥱 in Eurorack.
Control voltage is already used for the knobs on top of a pedal, face of the amp, or even on the electric guitar. CV is used in the electronic world to control whatever it was engineered to control.
Yeah sure voltage is a complex thing & is used for a wide variety of things but it's the "control" in CV here that matters for guitarists.
On the topic of modular and not being able to repeat patches - first off once hou have a handle on it you can learn to repeat sounds the same way you can on your pedalboard and amp or on an old moog. Additionally, for the more extreme patches and sounds often we will spend a few hours dialing a sound in then multisampling it on a machine like an MPC so we have that exact sound for the future. Love the topic!
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I agree. I really want to see pedals with cv functionality. It just opens up way more possibilities and in a way that doesn’t have to be particularly… difficult or complex
You guys should get Jim Lill on the pod for some discussion about tone wood 😜In all seriousness it would be cool to hear him answer some interview questions about his tests and his drive to do the tests and stuff like that. Might be a nice olive branch for the guitar community uproar he has stirred over the last couple of years. 🙂
Hearing the talk of modular reminds me of documentaries of Pink Floyd at Abby Road noodling around with the synthesizers and other gadgets. sounds like a fun enterprise, first play around with the gadgets make cool sounds then figure out how to make music with it
I like these old school episodes the best. The guests make it like any other music podcast.
I appreciate the people making and using these pedals the same way I appreciate people who explore the bottoms of the oceans... because FOR SURE if it was up to me, it would never happen.
24:00 And this is exactly the same thing with Pedals and Amp for guitarist… sometimes you find a *perfect* tone, and without any way to digitally control and save the knob settings, we often lose this tone (or we don’t move any knob anymore, making controls useless). That’s why having MIDI control and Presets for Analog Pedals is now a “must have” feature in 2023… so we can experiment more with our analog pedal and save any good results and recall them at the flip of a switch.
I'd like to see Dan Erlewine on here.
I got the MOOD V1 when it came out and it has never left my board. I don't always use it, but I'm always happy -- surprised, inspired, energized -- when I do. So musical.
I think Jared James Nichols, Marcus King, Scott Holiday, and Justin Ostrander would be great to hear from!
I second Scott Holiday- Rival Sons! "Mr. Fuzzlord" and his rig rundown was awesome.
Thanks for the Landreth plug. That guy and his amp are amazing. Going to see him live in June. Can’t wait!
Happy to come on the show fellas. Last year’s album was about the loss of my Mum when I was four. So, if want to do something on the therapeutic power of creativity using just guitars and pedals let me know. I was recently interviewed by Projecting Grief about the album want to see that interview. Tony
I’m with Zach, I want as few pedals as necessary and with as few knobs as necessary. If was into ambient music awash with reverb sounds from a demigod in a cavernous bubble on the ocean floor maybe I’d want to tweak more. I play with the KISS principle; Jimi did heaps on the first album with minimal pedals, stellar playing and outstanding production. Great episode, guys!
You guys should talk to Tim Henson from Polyphia. not because he’s the hot guitar boy right now, but because she represents everything diametrically opposed to you guys. I think that would be an interesting conversation.
Hello, off topic have any of you read the artice about SoundSmith Mostube? Anyone have thoughts about it?
I'm super interested in the modular world.
This is a tangent: but in reference to Jim Lill's pedals, spaghetti, and tone stacks in a box, which I'm pretty sure is essentially a modularization of a preamp stage: what can you do with that? That's rather basic. But, intervening between various parts of a preamp with modular effects, and experimenting with order seems like it could yield interesting results.
He used clean boost pedals and an AC boost I think. I'd love to mess around and replace that clean boost with a RAT or a fuzz, in something like an AC30 arrangement and tone stack. What does Soldano distortion sound like somewhere in a bassman preamp?
According to the Internet, “coming down the pike” started in the 70s, referring to a turnpike. “Down the pipe” came later, likely as a mishearing, but it’s common enough to be equivalent. “Pike” is better.
If you could get Josh Homme on, that’d be rad. Doubt it, though 😂
As a Product Specialist for Ibanez in the early 80's I went to a NAMM meeting where we were told that the company was seriously thinking of folding. They said that young players were no longer choosing to play or buy a guitar but were buying a Synth. I had a Product Specialist friend who worked for Roland and I got to see all the prototypes of gear that was coming. The vibe was Jazz and horns were killed by the electric guitar but now the guitars were going to be replaced by Synths. I was convinced. I decided not to be a victim of this revolution. I taught myself to programmed Synths and taught keyboard players to program. No I do not play keyboards, lol. One thing I learnt was that marrying a guitar to a synth is a farce. You can have zero ability to play a synth and within a few months have enough for Synths. What you get from even a budget synth these days is killer. No don't hang up your guitar. Just add the keyboard synth thing to it. Do not waste your money on synth guitar and ambience guitar stuff. It is all a bad joke.
I want to run my mac AU plugins in a pedal. Is there such a thing? That works and will fit on a pedal board?
The cv-generator pedal that you are looking for is the zoia. It is literally everything that you described.
SLASH! David Lee Roth is a riot... Eric Gayles....Phil x
I’d be a patreon supporter if you got Shakey Graves or Shovels and Rope (duo). They’re all SUPER talented. Shakey is the best one man band imo. If you haven’t seen his audio tree live, watch it!
Waiting for the Digitally Controlled Multi Fuzz…two or three high quality tweakable circuits that can run parallel or in series, with presets. Like the Automatone, but for Fuzz
Robben Ford would be cool!!!🙌
I have a small pedalboard with a Peterson turner, chase bliss preamp mkii, and eventide H90, it sounds amazing and has all the options I need, plus it sounds good even into a vintage 1940s amp 😅🎸
You guys should interview Tom Bukovac, Michael Landau, and Allen Hinds
Thank-you @mythospedals & @rhetshull for this extraordinary debate! And so much more to discuss 🥸
One of the drivers of adoption of modular is simply space, portability & flexibility. With real estate in modern cities a premium, and the use of public transport standard, modular offers a solution to incorporate analogue circuitry coupled to a digital component. Small portable Eurorack devices are a common sight now!
Pertaining to amp modeling(55ish minutes): my rig would not do a fender clean at all. I dig the humbucker into a supro clean for my original stuff. I picked up an ir 200 because one of the bands im in didn't have space for my amp and ext cab. Now, In addition to having my favorite non-ambient verbs, i use it with the cab sim off when i need my 1600 to get some clean funk sounds for two of the cover bands im in. Ive not had expirience with anything other than an hr deluxe so i can't speak on the feel. And supros 1600 supreme is a wierd amp so i can speak on how it would play with other amps, but with the ir 200 amp modeling i can make the sounds we're trying to get on some of these tunes. For that one job, in my situation, it is a killer. Thanks for the content! Great job as always!
Great episode !
Hi guys,
I play bass. Most of the time I don’t use any pedals besides various preamp/DI pedals.
But I do love pedals, and I have loads of them. In one of my bands we play ‘synthy’ late ‘70’s/early ‘80’s music (like Bowie, Talking Heads, Gary Numan, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, Pink Floyd and Depeche Mode).
In that band I play synth like sounds on bass a lot.
I really love the modular synth community on UA-cam, it functions like it’s own universe. And I still get really when the synth and guitarworld cross over, like in music by Bowie, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and The Smile.
But, with most bands I play blues, R&B, rock, soul, funk and classic pop. That’s as great too!!
I love (modular) synths too! For me there’s some easy to use pedals (with knobs, 😂) that are a bridge between (bass)guitar and synth, like the synth pedal Seymour Duncan makes or the early Source Audio stuff. And, if I’m feeling a little wilde, I’ll bring some weirder Eartquaker Devices stuff or even Moog stuff to a gig. But, they tend to make soundpeople cry or simply throw me off the bandstand, 🤣.
But, although I do love and own some pedals like Rhett is showing, for me there’s a huge difference between pedals I can use live and those I can play with at home and/or use when recording.
I wish I could easily use my Merris pedals live... I can’t. It’s too hard to change various sounds live...
So, I get both of your views.
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I’ve got a couple weirdos. The Hedra and the Drolo Stretchweaver. I love them both but tend to use them subtly. They are awesome together.
Mike Matthews, David Torn, Adrian Belew, Mike Piera, and I second the vote for Cyberattack.
Keynote of the video. If it sounds great it doesn't matter, if it's analog or digital. Rock on!!!
Khruangbin, especially guitarist Mark Speer. Also Nels Cline
Ha, the pedal discussion resonated with me, I have discovered that I am a dinosaur when it comes to pedals. I recently bought a multi fx unit thinking that this would be a good thing consolidating my pedal board, I could have set sounds for different songs, heck it even had amp and cab simulation, I could rock up to a gig and go direct into the PA, happy days. Well........I fiddled with it for 2 or 3 hours at home, didn't seem as intuitive to use as the sales assistant made it look in the shop lol, I put it back in the box and that is where it has stayed. I like my old school set up, I can see how it is all connected and I can see where the controls are set at a glance. I accept I am a luddite Haha!
CV generator and adding CV to pedals - that's what MIDI is for. And it's far easier to add a single MIDI socket that can control many parameters simultaneously on a pedal / synth rather than a single CV socket that can control one thing at a time. That was one of the drivers for MIDI when it was invented 40 years ago. MIDI controllers like the Morningstar range and Gigrig can do this in their sleep with a MIDI controlled pedal such as the Flat V. They even output step sequencing and LFO sine/square/sawtooth waves over MIDI. A CV input might be useful for interfacing to a modular rig but it's a very poor second to MIDI control
It’s past time for this real talk. On a gig, the last thing I want to do is think. I do that when I practice alone and rehearse with the band.
I can’t be the only one that loves one or two knob pedals in a live setting
Clubs doing nights where loopers, modular synth users, and DJ play together, or just electronic music nights that are much more than EDM, there are a few places near me, and I am not in any major city, that have regular nights dedicated to this modular synth, looping, just crazy live electronic experimentation stuff. It's out there and seems to be a growing fanbase for the live versions of that music.
Empress Zoia is close to perfect to me but it's a hobbyist pedal, a tinkerer's pedal. It's the pedal you want to own if you ever thought it would be cool to have delay where the time turned up when you played loud while the number of repeats turned up as you played higher on the fretboard. But no, not for everyone.
Would love to see y’all talk to Charlie Starr and/or Jason Isbell!
Zach, in Indy you should see if you can get in to see Jim Irsay's guitar collection.
Jim Lill, Puisheen, Dan Steinhardt, Yvette Young, Mark Speer would all be sick
Boss having been doing exactly this in their multi effects units for a couple of decades. I had a gt3 that had immense modulation possibilities. All there to find… if you like the boss sound.
Will Levy guitarist from The Story So Far would be awesome as hell.
Little Tommy Bukovac! That would be so cool.
Uncle Larry is what we need!
Really interesting topic. Are there any guitar players out there managing to work these kind of crazy pedal sounds in as integral , reproducible sounds for recording and live performance? I have heard a Joey Landreth song that uses a Mood.
When is the 80s Marshall Lead 12 going to hit the Bad Monkey stratosphere! They are amazing
Britt Daniel needs a gear intensive interview. His tones with Spoon are superb.
Rhett has a pretty impressive pedal collection by the sound of it!
It's no Warren Haynes, but I think you should get TPS on and get the merchandising hammered out for Rhett's Dry Wig
You explained modular pretty well for not being that experienced with it. It’s really not as complicated as company’s try to make it lol I truly think some brands market modules that take such a simple concept and make it super complicated and confusing. If you understand some basic guitar pedals eurorack is very similar. I’ve made cases just for guitar, like a pedal board. I’ve also made a sampling eurorack case for processing field recordings. It’s a endless amount of creativity and doesn’t just do one thing. You can build a eurorack case for anything that comes to mind.
Hungry Robot pedals is ahead of the game on blending guitar pedal type stuff with the synth world. They have lots of cool stuff that gets into the territory Brett Shultz is talking about in this episode. I don't know why they've stayed so under the radar. Their pedals are awesome!
I'd love to see Alain Johannes, Jamie Stillman, Kevin Suhr, Cory Wong, Brad Jackson, Dan Steinhard, Josh Homme, Troy Van Leeuwen, Omar Rodríguez-López, Charlie Allen, Tom Misch,... 🙂
You guys are talking me into a Subdecay Pixil Wave. 👾
I too know the anxiety of a pedal with too many options
It's hard for me to imagine most players using these types of pedals playing live. They seem more like units you'd have on your desk in your home studio.
Mark Bartel Bartel Amps formerly of Tone King. John Kinch long time guitar tech for Garth Brooks and has played on stage with Garth. Both interesting guys.
The Mood V2 is the only thing that’s caught my interest in 2023, in my humble opinion; it sounds Rad.
It's the new king of pedals..
So, as a guitarist I took a deep dive into semi-modular synthesis because of Atticus Ross and Trent Reznor stuff. Have two MOOG M32’s that took a bit of learning on how to use and still learning how to use this THING. I’m a amateur but I hang with those who have greater understanding and knowledge than I do and they ask? What’s that pedal or effect? When listening to some of my tracks. Just like anything else, if you love it then it shows up! For me it’s, the hottest tacos/burritos I can find! Lol. I really hope that Noah Guthrie and Good Trouble find their way to KC MO❤️💚✌🏼
I wanna see a cross over pod cast with Cory Wong
O.K. This is a great episode!
Gotta get Pete Thorn on maybe as a regular segment.
Andy Othling would have been a great guest with this episode.
Kenny Wayne Shepherd. Tone nerd. Guitar Hero. Pedal fanatic. Dumble friend !!!
Rhett the Morningstar midi controllers have a function generator so you can do what you're talking about with cc messages instead of cv. Not the same but you can achieve the same things
Laur Joamets, Audley Freed, Jason Isbell
The Fuzzlord from Rival Sons would be amazing.
Obscure yet famous at the same time: could Keifer Sutherland be brought onto the show? We never hear him talk about his band or his signature model Gibson.
There needs to be a bass oriented dip here and there with a corresponding guest bassist. I suggest starting with bassists you know. Adam Neeley comes to mind. Pie-in-the-sky guest in this regard would be Gail Ann Dorsey.
Keith Williams, Trogly, Robert Baker, Ben Crowe from Crimson Guitars, Alistair from Emerald Guitars, Phil McKnight, Kfir, that kid Matthew out in Oklahoma who keeps finding all that vintage gear. The list goes on and on. The guys from Driftwood Guitars, anyone who can speak for Dumble amplifiers these days. Fluff, Jared Dines, Rob Scallon, Steve Terryberry, Sarah Longfield, Scott from SBL, Rhett's bassist from Good Trouble, Rick Beato, Jesse Cook, Chords of Orion, Darrell Braun, Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee, Chris Duarte, David Grissom, Johnny Lang, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Robert Ford, Guthrie Goven, Andre Fludd, Molly Tuttle, and I better stop before you ignore this on principle.
Boscoe France would be a great show
As a 40 yr synthesist,who uses git’s to do stuff, this is smoking
Get Alessandro Cortini. Master synthesist and guitarist. And Hainbach! So fun and cool.
Now you’re talking about guitar pedals, synths, modular synths and stuff...
Wouldn’t Lisa Bella Donna not be a great guest for your channel?
She lives in all those worlds simultaneously!
She plays guitar, bass, synths. She’s really into modular stuff and heavily into the use of (guitar) pedals with every instrument. She truly is very, very knowledgeable too!
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convert pedals to euro rack standard, and then use that as a pedalboard standard, then you could mix regular modular synth with trad pedals
Please interview Josh Scott,Jamie Stillman,Joel Korte,Michael Johnston,Stefan from The Pedal Zone,Dan Pechacek
If you can catch him in the 30 seconds he has between his many projects, I think you could have an interesting interview/conversation with Jerry Douglas.
Would love to see you guys talk to Emil Werstler. Tim Lerch would also be cool. Sarah Longfield would be interesting (especially in light of this conversation as she has a foot in Synth's/Eurorack as well)
I would love to see you hosting mr Paul Davids!
Nick Greer!
And DG obviously :)
Have Josh Scott or/and RJ Ronquillio on the podcast
Zach ... are you Effin kidding me, you did get the Landreth sig. Oh my god ... Now you are obligated to make video deom of it
E Edwards from elevation worship. Dope guitarist with really amazing tone
Rabea for sure lads 🔥🔥🔥
Nick Greer, David Rainger, Dan Steinhardt
Dennis Fano of Novo guitars!
I feel like these new "weird" pedals are mostly designed for soundscape production/digital experimental electronica. There are pedals created to serve (or add to) the music and then there is music created to serve the function of the pedal. I just dont think these pieces of gear should be marketed as "guitar pedals" just because theyre fit into a stompbox with footswitches. It seems as though theyre just an innovation of a digital synthesizer designed for your guitar as the interface between brain and computer opposed to a keyboard.
Ian Thornley! Master of Tone
Ed O’Brien would be a great guest!
Love to see Eddie 9 volt as a guest
I think OBNE has an LFO pedal. Edit: the expression ramper
I'd love to see someone interview The Edge about his effects journey from album to album or decade to decade.
I know it is a big ask but you never know ?!
Ben McLeod from All Them Witches!
Dreadbox makes pedals with CV
Malekko does as well