I really love how this series show us how much fashion is part of the culture and that produces it. Its never just clothing. Fashion is a gateway to understanding the nuanced and complicated issues within a country and it in itself can be a revolutionary act.
Hailey fucking rocked hosting. Honestly, she brought a kind of palpable empathy to every interview and voice-over that often isn't there. To add on to that, I was so strangely proud of the women who were burned with acid. To know that they're moving on, despite a horrific act being committed against them, is beyond amazing. And the fashion! The neutral and calm colors, plus the political statements! Pakistan, what a weird, yet wonderful place.
This was really great! Kudos to Hailey for meeting people on all ends of the spectrum and asking more difficult questions without being condescending or disrespectful.
I completely agree with one of the models she interviewed! Why do we have to show off our bodies to look beautiful!? Every culture is different and unique and we have different ways of expressing our outward beauty. She had nothing to sy about the absolutely gorgeous outfits that she wore and saw throughout the trip!
I was blown away by how polarizing "fashion" can be in the world! I'm not a fool, I know that there are many regional, cultural or religious obstacles to fashion but it is so deeply intertwined in everyday life... this is coming from a man that may not look in a mirror for several days. This is INSANELY fascinating... I can't wait for the next episode!
The host, Hailey, has to be one of the most down to earth and empathic hosts I've seen on VICE. I feel this episode does justice to the simplified "western" values vs. religious extremism we often see in media. And Hailey does a hell of a job reconciling the diverse views of the Pakistani people she meets. Killing it! :)
I feel like Vice/the host went into making this documentary with a pre-determined thesis and filmed it to fit that POV. The host's commentary betrayed this bias. This is missing a very large and varied spectrum of middle class Pakistani women's relationship with fashion, for whom it's all about style/identity and not a political statement at either extreme of the spectrum. Pakistan has some gorgeous fashion and artisanal talent. That would have made a much better and more accurate documentary than this stale "battle of the extremes"narrative. The doc has its high notes, but overall disappointing for Vice.. Signed -- a Pakistani American
+Cherie C you nailed it - it would have been nice to see some of that incredible detail on the amazing clothes on the runway! instead she picks the silly derivative bondage "clothes" that have no nod to any history of pakistani fashion (or at least i hope not!) - literally the one line i was not interested in. i liked the two different opinions of the models - they seemed very thoughtful and mature - the complete opposite of this little girl was so silly - i am getting more and more embarrassed about her the more i think about it. she is working as an international journalist - part of her responsibility is to possibly sometimes (if she is lucky) meet controversial figures. if she is going to cry and freak out maybe she should go be a saleslady at bloomingdale's. all she did was reinforce western paranoia when she cried before meeting the imam and spent the entire interview looking like she was scared to death. it was so embarrassing - did she think he was going to SHOOT her?
+Cherie C As an unbiased viewer, i very much agree with your first statement, it felt like she was trying to "fit that POV' only portraying one side of the story. However i did appreciate the deeper insight she brought with women whove had acid thrown on to them, and the reasoning that goes behind the persons mind who does so.
+Cherie C It's not a pre-determined thesis, the objective of the film was to go to Khi Fashion week and then explore the extremes of the connection of the bourgeoisie (elites) and the marginalised of the country, to fashion. I admit there are vice films which are done shit. But this one is probably the most honest and endearing portrayal of my country and the topic they were dealing with. And I work for Vice sometimes so I voice my opinion about all the bad at every opportunity I can get but this time your analysis sounded offended. P.S: Read the description again please.
So do I, a rich cultural heritage, beautiful scenery, but for now we can only wait and watch as the world changes, and hope for it to be for the better.
+rranni agreed, people seemed so thoughtful, gentle but with wicked senses of humor - love it. and the fashion was amazing...wish we had craftspeople w this attention to detail in the us. i feel so sad for the rough times there and the dangers people face...big love to you.
+Katy TenArtists Much love to you and the beautiful mind you have. A vast majority of people contain remorse and oppression with them, while there are the few humble ones.
Step1: Go to Pakistan Step2: Cover security at Karachi fashion week Step3: Talk to Liberal but very sensible fashion designers and models Step4: Interview Mullah and one local Idiot about how he attacked his wife due to her fashion choice (tragic domestic issue) Step5: Repeatedly state and reinforce borderline racist things and point-out how you feel unsafe Step6: Come back to America and paint a picture that even fashion can be a root of world evil and tyranny (just what we need) Good going Vice~
+YoungSimba Well, I do agree with you there. Long before this channel aired on TV, I saw some VICE videos on UA-cam and what always pissed me off about them is that they were always so INCREDIBLY biased, only showing one side of the argument. And some of the topics they cover and the way they are presented is just completely ridiculous and weird. And most of the hosts are weirdos. I think they are trying to connect with a young audience, but they sure as hell aren't connecting with me. No normal person would name a show "Balls Deep". These are exactly the reasons I didn't want to watch this channel, but I ended up giving it a chance. This is the only show I'll probably watch on here, and it's only because I like the host.
Oh my god thank you for stating what I couldn’t find the words for. These pre conceived notions that they all come with to countries in the east and then find other so called liberal progressive idiots who are worshipping the cultural imperialism of the west and other wannabes dissing their own country get together to further perpetuate racist stereotypes 😂
In Pakistan, Karachi Fashion Week provides a kind of sanctuary, but outside its bubble Hailey finds the forces working to eradicate the progressive culture it represents.
+VICELAND Theres way more to pakistan than the news and stereotypes. Now, please go through these bomb sniffing dogs, and remember if terrorists attack be ready to jump out of the window, they will show no mercy.
As an american woman, I personally prefer pretty radical clothes in comparison to the norm (especially for my age). Bright pink leopard pants, anything holographic, platform shoes and boots, regardless, I am typically more modest than the norm. Sometimes I think about toning down my clothing arsenal to avoid the unnecessary judgement and looks but after watching this, I feel like its almost a responsibility to continue to express myself through fashion. Not just because its what I want, but because its important to continuously push the boundaries of what is considered acceptable as to limit the possibility of future societal limitations. Seeing those women who were victim of acid attacks...ugh. May my stacked spring neon green creepers be an ode to their struggle. And every asshole that looks at me unfavorably, I will think of them and be strengthen by my own freedom.
Wow, thanks for this guys. I have heard about what goes with the women and the acid burns. I almost cried during those interviews. But had no idea they had Fashion Shows. You never know.
+farraz younus wrong, if it wasn't for America creating Al Queda (created by CIA in Sudan late 70's early 80's, most famous alumnus Osama bin laden ) there would be no Taliban. The Americans armed and trained the Muslim nutcases in order to drive the evil soviets out.
I enjoyed how many of the times her stereotypes were proven wrong over and over, but she still had difficulty to see past them. "Omg I can't wear anything but burka" Ten minutes later, there comes a lady with her midrif showing. "OMG I didn't think I could wear heels", here comes a woman telling her she should get some. "OMG I need to cover my face and my hair", and she walks around with a woman wearing jeans and shirt. And then she goes to learn of the religious rulings by a preacher who is already an outcast and then is amazed by how strictly he views the world. This was such an amazingly biased documentary, I found it difficult to keep giving it a fair chance. I wish she had learned about the culture through views from everyday Pakistanis rather than from extremist on both sides - from ultra liberal to ultra conservative. Maybe if she turned on the television and seen the many actresses and talk show hosts wearing whatever they want coming into everyone's living rooms every day...
The hardest part of this was the poor women who have had their skin burned off and changed their whole look and confidence. All beautiful women, who’s self love and confidence was destroyed and humiliated by small minded evil men and even other women. Pure jealousy, and it brings me to tears. I hope they realize they’re still so beautiful, no matter the pain they have gone through, and their stories mean so much.
Hailey, honestly I was impressed by your interviewing skills. How you submerged yourself into these situations and environments all for proper research of a deeper meaning to this fashion, thank you
This was very educational! Was devastating to see two worlds in one country... great story and coverage! I too felt what the reporter was going through!
This was actually really good! I enjoyed it. Some things:-Pakistani fashion is amazing. Even prettier than Indian fashion. I knew the host would be in for an awakening, as their are a mix of modest beautiful outfits and outfits that show more flesh. -I was bawling when the acid victims were describing their experiences. To me, the act of throwing acid is akin to murder. In a country like Pakistan or anywhere, there is no life after disfigurement. How do people do this AND get away with it? Disgusting and despicable. -How does a girl not pack a bra? Yuck.
I feel like the host went into Pakistan with her own pre conceived notions and reported everything from that angle. She didn't go in with an open mind. Also there is no such thing as "religious police" in Pakistan.
Right?! I'm like am I missing something?! She is making stuff up and being paranoid due to her own stereotypes. It was so pathetic! And the lady even told her to not be afraid and she is having a panic attack. It was infuriating!
Ponchi Munchy yea, it really was. she was looking at everything with a conservative vs liberal lens. after seeing what people wore to the fashion show, she said "it seems that most Pakistani fashion is about covering skin rather than showing it" - it didn't occur to her that those Pakistani women who got dressed for the show didn't think to themselves hmm do i wanna cover today or show today? They're just wearing clothes! She couldn't see it as just fashion and appreciate the clothes for how beautiful they really are. She had to make up an imaginary battle between liberal vs conservative in the fashion world. Sorry for the rant, this host just annoyed me so much.
That is the western media. They all are delusional to think their culture is the best, and then you have the Uber rich so called progressives who want to be as white adjacent as possible to then get on board and diss their own country and further perpetuate stereotypes. The host is a pretty face and that is all there is. Even when she was reporting on South America she couldn’t pronounce the names right. She barely ever does any research, what is with bringing revealing clothes to a country and then going I don’t have anything to wear?
the ending was so so hard to Wach, i started to cry seeing the pain in those woman. Hailley did such a great job holding it together talking to the man who committed the crime and listening to the lady's story's. It really makes you count your blessings seeing so much anguish and politics in one given area.
I am a Pakistani and I approve this documentary! Just like everywhere else, we have our highs and we have our lows. Doesn't make the lows acceptable though.
As a 20 yr old Pakistani-born guy I will say that the video was pretty interesting. But since I do live and have lived in the US for most of my life I must say that she only showed the two extremes on the spectrum : the wannabe "Westerners" and the extremists. These groups represent less than 5 % of the population. Most people, who fall in between, were not even discussed of in the video. Most men aren't oppressive towards their wives and women aren't treated unfairly. And to the host please be respectful of our culture and clothing; criticize stuff but don't ridicule our culture or make it seem outlandish. But thanks for visiting Pakistan !
+Murtaza Ahmed where there is smoke there is fire. Pakistan needs to stop mixing religion with politics & embrace secularism. What you believe or not should not be anyone else business especially state.
This is amazing reporting, once in a while VICE does something that totally blows my mind. They need more quality control of the content, but they have some talented people working for them, Hailey being one of them without question.
+david zar The Muslim world isn't as black and white as people see. Most of the ultra conservative problems in Pakistan came from the dictator in the 70s and then the ultra liberals spawned. There has to be a balance.
Look. Vice is good, okay? Like you guys went to Pyongyang and did all sorts of cool stuff before. But this video irked me in a lot of ways. Is there any reason why Vice didn't have native Pakistani or expat cover this story instead of a white person showing disdain for an unfamiliar culture? And how many times are we expected to hear about the narrative of 'sleeveless fashion militants clashing against radicalization in Pakistan'? I mean, I know media in The West looove that and will always eat it up because it's like FASHION VS TALIBAN YAWL. But how are rich Pakistani people who attend fashion week in touch with the common person's struggle for identity and their relationship with Islam? As Pakistanis and Muslims we have SO many stories to tell that remain completely untapped, but we have to be taught by someone else that we only exist as media buzzwords like 'radlicalization' and 'oppression.' Also, I thought Charlet already covered fashion week in Pakistan. I don't understand the need for more of the same exact stuff by other journalists time and time again. Btw, I'm not undermining the struggles of women who are victims of acid attacks and I definitely don't think the truth should be hidden to safeguard Pakistan's reputation. I just think there needs to be more equitable journalism. Lastly, I loved the quote by the dude saying 'we know how dress because we've been interacting with The West for the past 500 years.' People are so amazing.
I agree with a lot of your points but they are using one journalist to cover the series which is like any other doc series. This series will cover mostly women because it has to do with modern fashion and trends and it's impact on culture and ideals. I was frustrated as well with the choice of journalist not because she's white just her weak knowledge , harsh bias and terrible interviewing skills. I think it's important to showcase this stuff because who's going to talk give voice to women who have been attacked with acid and those who are trying to make a difference. I was still able to see the beauty of Pakistan and it's people. I understand the frustration to want to see your country shown in a positive light but we need to shine a light on issues. I used to get pissed when they showcased the backward things in Jamaica like the rampant homophobia and the violence but that honestly is an issue that needed to be brought to light that change may occur even while it's given in a sensational manner. HONY covered everyday people in Pakistan really well but this isn't the aim of this doc.
+Jay R I have to agree with KMSHAFI. HONY is the only example I can think of for real coverage of Pakistan for western audiences recently. But putting that aside and agreeing that not every documentary needs to be positive PR for a country, the picture drawn should at the least be accurate and nuanced, not a caricature. Extremism and human/women's rights violations are indeed issues in Pakistan and should absolutely be exposed, but in their own platform (eg recent Oscar winning documentary). But this was a documentary about fashion for goodness sake! And if even something as pedestrian as this reinforces the extremist caricature, then that's what people will believe about a country they have never visited. At this rate, one could make a documentary about eating cheese in Pakistan and somehow make it about Islamism. I'm sure the criminal Abdul Aziz has opinions about cheese, lets interview him again!
36:51 idk what point he was trying to make… if he was gonna divorce her anyways then why throw acid? He should have just divorced her if he wasn’t happy. These men will do anything to protect their non-existent respect and ego… this man was embarrassed about his wife but look at him now. He’s the one hiding his face.
shafay shahid That's so sad, and probably true. A lot of people can't tell the difference between different countries in the middle east and Africa, so whatever they say about them is taken as truth
Not a fan of the journalist over the course of the doc she became enlightened and humble and it was nice to see her raw emotion but she's a miss. Vice always have either really great journalist or really terrible amatuer ones. I felt she came off kind of stuck up and not open to culture and saw it as a joke. She showed her Western ideals from the start. Also her interviewing skills were quite weak and she could brush up more on the culture and people she heads out to these countries. I recently watched the journalist that covered brothels in Bangladesh and she's amazing I wish she could've interviewed the guy who burned his wife or the imam it would of been very interesting to see.
There is so much that could have been done with this documentary. Opportunity missed. How many ways can one say there is a dichotomy between fashion and religion? The same thing was said in different variations
Beautiful piece. Beautiful culture. Of course the throwing of acid on woman is barbaric but there is barbarity in all countries and cultures. I do not judge the worth or beauty of a culture, country, or people on the vicious acts of individuals.
I loved this so much. Thought the host did such an awesome job. This definitely was an eye-opener and want to watch more episodes like this one. Great job, Viceland!
There's a group who wants to conserve their natural, religious state and others who are trying to find a change. One that regards less restriction and more freedom. This will be a conflicting topic for decades now and later.
Why talk about fashion in Pakistan and not mention the light skin privilege at all? Did you notice at all that the models were all very white passing looking people??
***** I don't know where you're from, but in the poorer parts of Karachi, everyone is dark skinned, you can't tell me to ignore that entire population.
+mairaj haider it's not all skin-tanning the unprivileged usually are darker but this goes back to Hindu society where the darker were of lower-caste despite centuries of Muslim conversion and rule it's still a prevalent issue
+Wapoosh but it's agreed the models' skin tones aren't anything shocking except maybe for westerners who haven't been exposed to Pakistanis.. But the privilege of light skinned people is a big issue in all of South Asia
Step 7: Use their work several times throughout your documentary but refuse to give credit to the Artist. Even when it's the #1 inquiry about said documentary. Nice job Vice.
I'm glad I gave this show as chance, as I see it covers much wider issues than just fashion, and I really like the host. Though I'm not a huge fan of VICE. It's very weird and a lot of times extremely biased.
Hailey is surely a good host, but for some reason I feel closer to the other VICELAND hosts because there is more background and information given about the host and their justification for being where they are and telling us what they are there to do. I think the most important piece of this show is that Hailey continued to empathize with a society and culture that is so foreign and different from her own, a feeling that is justifiably not shared by most UA-camrs here.
I really love how this series show us how much fashion is part of the culture and that produces it. Its never just clothing. Fashion is a gateway to understanding the nuanced and complicated issues within a country and it in itself can be a revolutionary act.
Hailey fucking rocked hosting. Honestly, she brought a kind of palpable empathy to every interview and voice-over that often isn't there. To add on to that, I was so strangely proud of the women who were burned with acid. To know that they're moving on, despite a horrific act being committed against them, is beyond amazing. And the fashion! The neutral and calm colors, plus the political statements! Pakistan, what a weird, yet wonderful place.
This was really great! Kudos to Hailey for meeting people on all ends of the spectrum and asking more difficult questions without being condescending or disrespectful.
+DaPopoloinParadise true that.....she did a pretty good job at just reporting and not interjecting her thoughts too much into the convo
I completely agree with one of the models she interviewed! Why do we have to show off our bodies to look beautiful!? Every culture is different and unique and we have different ways of expressing our outward beauty. She had nothing to sy about the absolutely gorgeous outfits that she wore and saw throughout the trip!
SERIOUSLY 😢
I was blown away by how polarizing "fashion" can be in the world! I'm not a fool, I know that there are many regional, cultural or religious obstacles to fashion but it is so deeply intertwined in everyday life... this is coming from a man that may not look in a mirror for several days. This is INSANELY fascinating... I can't wait for the next episode!
The host, Hailey, has to be one of the most down to earth and empathic hosts I've seen on VICE. I feel this episode does justice to the simplified "western" values vs. religious extremism we often see in media. And Hailey does a hell of a job reconciling the diverse views of the Pakistani people she meets. Killing it! :)
I feel like Vice/the host went into making this documentary with a pre-determined thesis and filmed it to fit that POV. The host's commentary betrayed this bias. This is missing a very large and varied spectrum of middle class Pakistani women's relationship with fashion, for whom it's all about style/identity and not a political statement at either extreme of the spectrum. Pakistan has some gorgeous fashion and artisanal talent. That would have made a much better and more accurate documentary than this stale "battle of the extremes"narrative. The doc has its high notes, but overall disappointing for Vice.. Signed -- a Pakistani American
+Cherie C THANK YOU.
+Cherie C you nailed it - it would have been nice to see some of that incredible detail on the amazing clothes on the runway! instead she picks the silly derivative bondage "clothes" that have no nod to any history of pakistani fashion (or at least i hope not!) - literally the one line i was not interested in.
i liked the two different opinions of the models - they seemed very thoughtful and mature -
the complete opposite of this little girl was so silly - i am getting more and more embarrassed about her the more i think about it. she is working as an international journalist - part of her responsibility is to possibly sometimes (if she is lucky) meet controversial figures. if she is going to cry and freak out maybe she should go be a saleslady at bloomingdale's. all she did was reinforce western paranoia when she cried before meeting the imam and spent the entire interview looking like she was scared to death. it was so embarrassing - did she think he was going to SHOOT her?
YES
+Cherie C
As an unbiased viewer, i very much agree with your first statement, it felt like she was trying to "fit that POV' only portraying one side of the story. However i did appreciate the deeper insight she brought with women whove had acid thrown on to them, and the reasoning that goes behind the persons mind who does so.
+Cherie C It's not a pre-determined thesis, the objective of the film was to go to Khi Fashion week and then explore the extremes of the connection of the bourgeoisie (elites) and the marginalised of the country, to fashion. I admit there are vice films which are done shit. But this one is probably the most honest and endearing portrayal of my country and the topic they were dealing with. And I work for Vice sometimes so I voice my opinion about all the bad at every opportunity I can get but this time your analysis sounded offended.
P.S: Read the description again please.
A beautiful country, with beautiful people, I hope one day the problems will be gone so one day I may visit
So do I, a rich cultural heritage, beautiful scenery, but for now we can only wait and watch as the world changes, and hope for it to be for the better.
Pakistan is truly Beautiful. Filled with humble people, but unfortunate conditions.
thank you, brother.
+rranni agreed, people seemed so thoughtful, gentle but with wicked senses of humor - love it. and the fashion was amazing...wish we had craftspeople w this attention to detail in the us. i feel so sad for the rough times there and the dangers people face...big love to you.
+Katy TenArtists Much love to you and the beautiful mind you have. A vast majority of people contain remorse and oppression with them, while there are the few humble ones.
Step1: Go to Pakistan
Step2: Cover security at Karachi fashion week
Step3: Talk to Liberal but very sensible fashion designers and models
Step4: Interview Mullah and one local Idiot about how he attacked his wife due to her fashion choice (tragic domestic issue)
Step5: Repeatedly state and reinforce borderline racist things and point-out how you feel unsafe
Step6: Come back to America and paint a picture that even fashion can be a root of world evil and tyranny (just what we need)
Good going Vice~
agree
+YoungSimba Well, I do agree with you there. Long before this channel aired on TV, I saw some VICE videos on UA-cam and what always pissed me off about them is that they were always so INCREDIBLY biased, only showing one side of the argument. And some of the topics they cover and the way they are presented is just completely ridiculous and weird. And most of the hosts are weirdos. I think they are trying to connect with a young audience, but they sure as hell aren't connecting with me. No normal person would name a show "Balls Deep". These are exactly the reasons I didn't want to watch this channel, but I ended up giving it a chance. This is the only show I'll probably watch on here, and it's only because I like the host.
Oh my god thank you for stating what I couldn’t find the words for. These pre conceived notions that they all come with to countries in the east and then find other so called liberal progressive idiots who are worshipping the cultural imperialism of the west and other wannabes dissing their own country get together to further perpetuate racist stereotypes 😂
Vice needs an award show so I can vote for Hailey as the best reporter
+Immanuel Harice She was good, but she had her own biases going in there. Things are not black and white although she thought they were.
In Pakistan, Karachi Fashion Week provides a kind of sanctuary, but outside its bubble Hailey finds the forces working to eradicate the progressive culture it represents.
+VICELAND Love this, Hailey was an awesome host! Big props on the interviews!
Waiting for the next Part!
+VICELAND Theres way more to pakistan than the news and stereotypes. Now, please go through these bomb sniffing dogs, and remember if terrorists attack be ready to jump out of the window, they will show no mercy.
+VICELAND what's the song in the video from 41:43 to 42:05??
+VICELAND interested in knowing what the songs featured on this episode are! Great episode
it was funny and oddly cute to see a "big" man like gazi being bossed around by his little wife 😂
As an american woman, I personally prefer pretty radical clothes in comparison to the norm (especially for my age). Bright pink leopard pants, anything holographic, platform shoes and boots, regardless, I am typically more modest than the norm. Sometimes I think about toning down my clothing arsenal to avoid the unnecessary judgement and looks but after watching this, I feel like its almost a responsibility to continue to express myself through fashion. Not just because its what I want, but because its important to continuously push the boundaries of what is considered acceptable as to limit the possibility of future societal limitations.
Seeing those women who were victim of acid attacks...ugh. May my stacked spring neon green creepers be an ode to their struggle. And every asshole that looks at me unfavorably, I will think of them and be strengthen by my own freedom.
I thought this wasn't coming out until the 30th!! Thanks Vice
Yes =(-^-)=
Wow, thanks for this guys. I have heard about what goes with the women and the acid burns. I almost cried during those interviews. But had no idea they had Fashion Shows. You never know.
+farraz younus wrong, if it wasn't for America creating Al Queda (created by CIA in Sudan late 70's early 80's, most famous alumnus Osama bin laden ) there would be no Taliban. The Americans armed and trained the Muslim nutcases in order to drive the evil soviets out.
I enjoyed how many of the times her stereotypes were proven wrong over and over, but she still had difficulty to see past them. "Omg I can't wear anything but burka" Ten minutes later, there comes a lady with her midrif showing. "OMG I didn't think I could wear heels", here comes a woman telling her she should get some. "OMG I need to cover my face and my hair", and she walks around with a woman wearing jeans and shirt. And then she goes to learn of the religious rulings by a preacher who is already an outcast and then is amazed by how strictly he views the world. This was such an amazingly biased documentary, I found it difficult to keep giving it a fair chance. I wish she had learned about the culture through views from everyday Pakistanis rather than from extremist on both sides - from ultra liberal to ultra conservative. Maybe if she turned on the television and seen the many actresses and talk show hosts wearing whatever they want coming into everyone's living rooms every day...
Now I want to watch Burka Avenger
this is truly eye opening, i cannot wait for the next episode
+Kida Nasse You can watch the 2nd episode now with your cable login at VICELAND.com: www.viceland.com/en_us/video/pakistan/56f2fb9612ab9482463ba146
+VICELAND
Finally, I have been wondering where to watch other episodes of different shows!!
very eye opening and informative, thank you vice
The hardest part of this was the poor women who have had their skin burned off and changed their whole look and confidence. All beautiful women, who’s self love and confidence was destroyed and humiliated by small minded evil men and even other women. Pure jealousy, and it brings me to tears. I hope they realize they’re still so beautiful, no matter the pain they have gone through, and their stories mean so much.
wow i have never seen this side of things....its truly changed everything for me. wow!
Hailey, honestly I was impressed by your interviewing skills. How you submerged yourself into these situations and environments all for proper research of a deeper meaning to this fashion, thank you
This video left me in tears!
I'm loving this series so much. Fabulous episode! Please bring MORE TO US !!!
"What just happened there?"
"The lights just went out..."
I would have rolled my eyes if I was the girl showing the reporter around.
This was AMAZING!! Viceland is killin the game right now!! Keep em coming!!
This was very educational! Was devastating to see two worlds in one country... great story and coverage! I too felt what the reporter was going through!
This was actually really good! I enjoyed it. Some things:-Pakistani fashion is amazing. Even prettier than Indian fashion. I knew the host would be in for an awakening, as their are a mix of modest beautiful outfits and outfits that show more flesh. -I was bawling when the acid victims were describing their experiences. To me, the act of throwing acid is akin to murder. In a country like Pakistan or anywhere, there is no life after disfigurement. How do people do this AND get away with it? Disgusting and despicable. -How does a girl not pack a bra? Yuck.
There is no such thing as a "religious police" in Pakistan
kasmein yara
I feel like the host went into Pakistan with her own pre conceived notions and reported everything from that angle. She didn't go in with an open mind. Also there is no such thing as "religious police" in Pakistan.
Right?! I'm like am I missing something?! She is making stuff up and being paranoid due to her own stereotypes. It was so pathetic! And the lady even told her to not be afraid and she is having a panic attack. It was infuriating!
Ponchi Munchy yea, it really was. she was looking at everything with a conservative vs liberal lens. after seeing what people wore to the fashion show, she said "it seems that most Pakistani fashion is about covering skin rather than showing it" - it didn't occur to her that those Pakistani women who got dressed for the show didn't think to themselves hmm do i wanna cover today or show today? They're just wearing clothes! She couldn't see it as just fashion and appreciate the clothes for how beautiful they really are. She had to make up an imaginary battle between liberal vs conservative in the fashion world. Sorry for the rant, this host just annoyed me so much.
That is the western media. They all are delusional to think their culture is the best, and then you have the Uber rich so called progressives who want to be as white adjacent as possible to then get on board and diss their own country and further perpetuate stereotypes. The host is a pretty face and that is all there is. Even when she was reporting on South America she couldn’t pronounce the names right. She barely ever does any research, what is with bringing revealing clothes to a country and then going I don’t have anything to wear?
the ending was so so hard to Wach, i started to cry seeing the pain in those woman. Hailley did such a great job holding it together talking to the man who committed the crime and listening to the lady's story's. It really makes you count your blessings seeing so much anguish and politics in one given area.
They are such beautiful looking people.
Future fashion capital of the world
This is such an amazing documentary.
The most amazing show on TV, brilliant travel log and production
This was truly amazing and so brave!
what a great mini documentary. i gained a lot from this.
Missing this show. This team produced amazing content and told the most impactful stories.
"There are three girls, two of them are stunningly beautiful" wtf
I am a Pakistani and I approve this documentary! Just like everywhere else, we have our highs and we have our lows. Doesn't make the lows acceptable though.
yeah i totally agree. i see people in the comments section trying to mask the bad side of pakistan.
As a 20 yr old Pakistani-born guy I will say that the video was pretty interesting. But since I do live and have lived in the US for most of my life I must say that she only showed the two extremes on the spectrum : the wannabe "Westerners" and the extremists. These groups represent less than 5 % of the population. Most people, who fall in between, were not even discussed of in the video. Most men aren't oppressive towards their wives and women aren't treated unfairly. And to the host please be respectful of our culture and clothing; criticize stuff but don't ridicule our culture or make it seem outlandish. But thanks for visiting Pakistan !
+Murtaza Ahmed where there is smoke there is fire. Pakistan needs to stop mixing religion with politics & embrace secularism. What you believe or not should not be anyone else business especially state.
This is amazing reporting, once in a while VICE does something that totally blows my mind. They need more quality control of the content, but they have some talented people working for them, Hailey being one of them without question.
i am so conflicted on how to feel about this documentary one thing is for sure. I fucking love pakistanis
+david zar The Muslim world isn't as black and white as people see. Most of the ultra conservative problems in Pakistan came from the dictator in the 70s and then the ultra liberals spawned. There has to be a balance.
Pakistan is a part of India that was hijacked by Islamic extremists
+Shan Singh - Trust me bro, India is lucky to get rid of cancer (Pakistan)
Wow an afghan calling Pakistan cancer, how ironic
+shafay shahid I'm most definitely not Indian lol
NO ONE WEARS BURKAS IN PAKISTAN WTF
we arent arabia, what you were wearing before was perfectly fine
+shafay shahid Are you gonna post this on every fucking comment? Fucking grossly desperate.
A LOT of the clothes are BEAUTIFUL! The models are very pretty too!!! The acid part was really really sad though.... :[
Love these documentaries
Seriously this is top notch journalism.
Awesome video-- thank you for sharing!
he's amazing!!! I love this!
Look. Vice is good, okay? Like you guys went to Pyongyang and did all sorts of cool stuff before. But this video irked me in a lot of ways. Is there any reason why Vice didn't have native Pakistani or expat cover this story instead of a white person showing disdain for an unfamiliar culture? And how many times are we expected to hear about the narrative of 'sleeveless fashion militants clashing against radicalization in Pakistan'? I mean, I know media in The West looove that and will always eat it up because it's like FASHION VS TALIBAN YAWL. But how are rich Pakistani people who attend fashion week in touch with the common person's struggle for identity and their relationship with Islam? As Pakistanis and Muslims we have SO many stories to tell that remain completely untapped, but we have to be taught by someone else that we only exist as media buzzwords like 'radlicalization' and 'oppression.' Also, I thought Charlet already covered fashion week in Pakistan. I don't understand the need for more of the same exact stuff by other journalists time and time again.
Btw, I'm not undermining the struggles of women who are victims of acid attacks and I definitely don't think the truth should be hidden to safeguard Pakistan's reputation. I just think there needs to be more equitable journalism.
Lastly, I loved the quote by the dude saying 'we know how dress because we've been interacting with The West for the past 500 years.' People are so amazing.
I agree with a lot of your points but they are using one journalist to cover the series which is like any other doc series. This series will cover mostly women because it has to do with modern fashion and trends and it's impact on culture and ideals. I was frustrated as well with the choice of journalist not because she's white just her weak knowledge , harsh bias and terrible interviewing skills. I think it's important to showcase this stuff because who's going to talk give voice to women who have been attacked with acid and those who are trying to make a difference. I was still able to see the beauty of Pakistan and it's people. I understand the frustration to want to see your country shown in a positive light but we need to shine a light on issues. I used to get pissed when they showcased the backward things in Jamaica like the rampant homophobia and the violence but that honestly is an issue that needed to be brought to light that change may occur even while it's given in a sensational manner. HONY covered everyday people in Pakistan really well but this isn't the aim of this doc.
+Jay R I have to agree with KMSHAFI. HONY is the only example I can think of for real coverage of Pakistan for western audiences recently. But putting that aside and agreeing that not every documentary needs to be positive PR for a country, the picture drawn should at the least be accurate and nuanced, not a caricature. Extremism and human/women's rights violations are indeed issues in Pakistan and should absolutely be exposed, but in their own platform (eg recent Oscar winning documentary). But this was a documentary about fashion for goodness sake! And if even something as pedestrian as this reinforces the extremist caricature, then that's what people will believe about a country they have never visited. At this rate, one could make a documentary about eating cheese in Pakistan and somehow make it about Islamism. I'm sure the criminal Abdul Aziz has opinions about cheese, lets interview him again!
I love and agree with your reaction and opinion on this commercial. Thank you for putting this out there.
36:51 idk what point he was trying to make… if he was gonna divorce her anyways then why throw acid? He should have just divorced her if he wasn’t happy. These men will do anything to protect their non-existent respect and ego… this man was embarrassed about his wife but look at him now. He’s the one hiding his face.
There was a shit ton of errors despite me watching only the first 5 minutes. First of there is no Islamic police and secondly Alchohal is not banned.
+Kamal Hadeir Yeah that's so wierd, they have morality police in other countries, but Pakistan isn't one of them. Why'd they say that?
shafay shahid That's so sad, and probably true. A lot of people can't tell the difference between different countries in the middle east and Africa, so whatever they say about them is taken as truth
+Kamal Hadeir As the person clarified, it is illegal for Muslims but Christians and foreigners can get alcohol.
WHAT is the name of the song at the end? Anyone??
I loved the episode!
4:11 “there are three girls and two of them are stunningly beautiful” lol
Not a fan of the journalist over the course of the doc she became enlightened and humble and it was nice to see her raw emotion but she's a miss. Vice always have either really great journalist or really terrible amatuer ones. I felt she came off kind of stuck up and not open to culture and saw it as a joke. She showed her Western ideals from the start. Also her interviewing skills were quite weak and she could brush up more on the culture and people she heads out to these countries. I recently watched the journalist that covered brothels in Bangladesh and she's amazing I wish she could've interviewed the guy who burned his wife or the imam it would of been very interesting to see.
There is so much that could have been done with this documentary. Opportunity missed. How many ways can one say there is a dichotomy between fashion and religion? The same thing was said in different variations
loved it man really good
They are a beautiful people. It's a shame that the religious crazies are destroying the country.
I pray that the religious crazies do not destroy America too.
Love what you guys are doing... one note as a viewer - if you could add text and definitions to cultural words that are not common, that'd be helpful.
"Religious police"? There's no religious police in Pakistan lol
This was so interesting. I went to college for fashion design so I loved this!
Beautiful piece. Beautiful culture. Of course the throwing of acid on woman is barbaric but there is barbarity in all countries and cultures. I do not judge the worth or beauty of a culture, country, or people on the vicious acts of individuals.
does anyone know what song are they playing in the end ?
@VICELAND what's the song in the video from 41:43 to 42:05??
Any luck?
24:11 oh my heavens it's a young Princess Leia. I'm in love again
The host did an absolutely wonderful job!
I clicked because of click bait. Ended up watching the whole video.
Touché Vice
same here.
LOVED THIS
I completely agree with the model's statement 20:20
The host and the people of Pakistan are beautiful!
I loved this so much. Thought the host did such an awesome job. This definitely was an eye-opener and want to watch more episodes like this one. Great job, Viceland!
Thank you for doing this story. Those women are very very brave.
I'm getting sick and tired of vice interviewers being bias.
There's a group who wants to conserve their natural, religious state and others who are trying to find a change. One that regards less restriction and more freedom. This will be a conflicting topic for decades now and later.
Can't wait for the next episode
Why talk about fashion in Pakistan and not mention the light skin privilege at all? Did you notice at all that the models were all very white passing looking people??
^^^
***** I don't know where you're from, but in the poorer parts of Karachi, everyone is dark skinned, you can't tell me to ignore that entire population.
+Wapoosh They bleach their skin its a sick, and disgusting mindset
+mairaj haider it's not all skin-tanning the unprivileged usually are darker but this goes back to Hindu society where the darker were of lower-caste despite centuries of Muslim conversion and rule it's still a prevalent issue
+Wapoosh but it's agreed the models' skin tones aren't anything shocking except maybe for westerners who haven't been exposed to Pakistanis.. But the privilege of light skinned people is a big issue in all of South Asia
I am from Pakistan, we don't have religious police. Where is this religious police coming from?
i loved this!
Does someone know what track is it at 43:40 ...
LOL at his wife chewing him out.
really good show, Love Pakistan.
Thanx Vice :)
song at 9:25 and credits???
+Andy Wolf same
Step 7: Use their work several times throughout your documentary but refuse to give credit to the Artist. Even when it's the #1 inquiry about said documentary. Nice job Vice.
Does anyone know the music that is played at the end?
I love this show!
what's the name of that pakastani pop song that was playing near and at the end?
What is the song at the end ahh?
+J Mulc yes, vice news please do tell. Thank you!
Wow after watching this...man I feel so bad for the ladies with acid attacks. That is soo messed up and cruel.
Hey, watch saving face, an amazing documentary regarding acid victims. Really makes an impact on you.
mayra pina Thank You Will def have to check it out. Glad they have something to help them out.
It was heartbreaking. And the attackers don't even get prosecuted..Just ridiculous.
You're killin it Charlet
Those men and women from VICE have huge balls! Thanks for showing us the world in way it really is. God Bless you!
Acid to the face is absolutely shocking! We can only hope for an improved collective conscious.
I'm glad I gave this show as chance, as I see it covers much wider issues than just fashion, and I really like the host. Though I'm not a huge fan of VICE. It's very weird and a lot of times extremely biased.
Hailey is surely a good host, but for some reason I feel closer to the other VICELAND hosts because there is more background and information given about the host and their justification for being where they are and telling us what they are there to do. I think the most important piece of this show is that Hailey continued to empathize with a society and culture that is so foreign and different from her own, a feeling that is justifiably not shared by most UA-camrs here.
What is the ending song?
I literally thought the woman making the bondage gear was Selena Gomez. LOL.
Great show.
I love Vice