Buffer Trails!! What They Are And How They Are Removed!!
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2021
- This video shows how to remove buffer trails or swirls from automotive finishes.
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Free lesson from a professional, doesn’t get any better‼️ Thanks Brian 👍☮️✌️
That it's why when I am going to do anything on my vehicles I study it or go over even when I already know it. Detailing wide I always go back and forth watching Brian videos just in case.
Always getting educated when Brian puts out content.
I'm also guilty of buffer trails on my hood when i first started buffing with a rotary. Rookie mistakes can happen to anyone but i learned alot from guys like you and thanks to ya'll i'm much better at detailing!
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Yes, incredible how haters leave nasty comments and those who don't finish the job correctly because definitely don't know how to do the job and charge people as if everything was correctly done. Also depends on the type of job, if enhancement or correction. Anyway, if enhancement it is noticable since there is consistency upon the marks left different from a poorly job performed.
Actually awesome! Kudos for finishing out with a rotary _and_ showing the results in bright sunlight - it's the first time I am seeing that. I was beginning to think it was impossible with a rotary because it was very difficult to see without (certain types of) direct sun - even with decent lighting/ torches. Typically the solutions have been 'reach for a DA'.
Thanks 😊
Michigan here.. just a guy in my garage.. was doing great with my old 5 inch dual action but thought I needed to step up to a 3 inch to get even better results.. bought an inexpensive one from Amazon and now I get to learn how to remove holograms... Guess the dual action part didn't work so well for it.. Was great at getting out the scratches I was after but once the car was in the sun after its first wash... Would say it is embarrassing but that is how one learns.. Glad you have a video just for the issue I have.
Years ago I struggled with this because my boss never taught me proper correction, just handed me a rotary and told me Ill burn through on edges, I know so much more now from watching channels like Brians, have my own company now and my quality is top notch, thanks Brian
Every video you do is deeply appreciated!
Many more to come...Cheers!
I love the way you described it. The cheaper guy down the road.... I work like you. I was the cheaper guy down the road. Now I'm a pro and I'm not afraid to charge for my services. My customers are smiling while paying and always come back to me.
thank you Brian always great videos and info
Outstanding as always Apex.
Another master class Brian. Thanks a lot from 🇨🇦
Honestly who doesn't have fun when u make videos and explain as u go.
Great video Brian. Thanks for sharing.
Never ceases to amaze me why people leave buffer trails & don’t finish out.
Because majority of sheep are also cheap.
Literally "Follow the $"
Their life is hard because they make stupid decisions .
So straight forward thanks just watching videos I see exactly where I went wrong wrong pad, rushed it, did this on a work day so that’s why I rushed etc..
Great stuff here as always! I saw a car yesterday with the exact same problem, it was hard to look at 😁!
I consider your videos "free education" thanks for always going out of your way to provide content for us to learn from. I bought a rotary and I've been practicing with it! Still learning however, I see what you mean by how fast the rotary can remove defects!
I love your videos because they get to the point and you don't feel the need to ramble on to fill in the silence. You say what you need to say and you move on! Thank you!!!
I am one of those new learners... have a tuxedo black Ford raptor and I tried to get scratches out with a two in one buffer/polisher using a rotary and then put an extra coat of wax with a wool pad... all the scratches came out and I thought it looked great... until to my surprise I saw in the sunlight very noticeable as you say buffer trails. So I came here to try to learn how to get them out. Going to try again just with the pad and microfiber cloth as you did in the video and skip the wool polishing pad. Thanks 😊
Looks like the side you finished with the rotary looked better than the side with the da. Beautiful work! Thank you for the quick course.
As Brian said you get what you pay for.
I am guilty of this as I polished for the first time.I used a Ryobi mini polisher which worked great and at the tail end of a section I messed up. Thanks for this video, now I will fix it.
I don’t get why someone would put work into polishing the truck and skip the easiest part. I think they don’t have the experience to finish it.You as always done a great job of finishing this up.Thanks Brian ✊
This actually happens a lot more frequently then i tough lol! Good thing its an easy fix, and customer is relieve when they see the results and not too expensive for them.... ;-) instant new referral
Brian, the worst is it’s not always the cheapo detailer that does this. Every dark colour vehicle I have done that came from dealership has buffer trails. Even new ones! Last one was a full size pickup black with Diamond Kote ceramic coating. Holograms sealed under the coatings!!! Body shop expensive insurance jobs are the worst. They leave a mess and collect huge money.
I would get those with a cheap rotary buffer.. changed to a DA buffer and like magic ! No marks ! Also used 2 step method . One to get scratches out , the other lighter pad and polishing compound
Nice video Brian
Great video!!
Kool,awesum technique,experienced wins over cheap.
I recently purchased a 2019 Mercedes-Benz at a Mercedes dealership and my vehicle is riddle in buffer swirl marks 🤦 I'll be using this technique to remove them thanks for the video 👍
Well said and enough said!
I do the same thing as you are here and it looks great the moment I'm done with the buffer polishing..But for some reason, brand new microfiber towels are putting in streaks and smudging everything,,and I mean towels new never used right out of the wrapper..I am using the same amount of product as you are when compounding and polishing...Hopefully someone has an idea for me....I have been told by a paint and body guy I know to wash down after I'm done polishing with Dawn dish detergent to get rid of the issue,..I can't tell if there is excess wax causing the microfiber towels to streak...I've done IPA wipedowns too,,same thing......Maybe I'm missing something very simple...I will say my speed was little higher on my polish stage than my compound stage....I was taught this...
Looks like owner will be happy.
Thank you so much man 🙏
"Look how they massacred my boy." Brian to the rescue!
That paint makes it difficult to see the difference on camera. It creates a weird effect.
I'll have to apply this information to a test panel to practice.
Thanks for the information Brian.
On that note important to also keep in mind, camera's don't lie.
Enjoy your test panel friend, we all start somewhere :)
I see a lot of mobile detailers and guys going into business just to turn a buck. Some are learning on the job and using one steps because they don’t know the difference between compounding & polishing. Apparently this customer knows the difference and ended up going to a true professional.
Watching this because I did this to my car lol. Only my 2nd time polishing. Still trying to learn.
That's nice. I will also use a spray wax afterwords also? Question, how often can I polish/cut the clear coat? Good video.
Once and done if you can. A cleaner polish can be used yearly if needed.
I love how 3D One works/performs but don't like the oily residue it leaves. Koch Chemie as per what I see on the videos works excellent as well, just curious to know if it's easier to wipe off than 3D.
Depends, try wiping off the residue with your purse instead of microfiber.
Works a charm ;)
Sounds like you are using way too much 'product', then blame said product for your angst.
You never mentioned your results using said product, only your in-ability to 'grind through adversity' that may or may not be present if your research had been prior, and in full.
Sounds like you tried, gave up, and complained.
Step up your game.
Try Turtle Wax 1&Done. Very similar results to One. I have zero problem with wipe off with the towels I use, but some people like to use a damp towel with it.
KC M3 is a finishing polish, so it’s very light and easy to wipe off but lacks the cut of something like One or an equivalent.
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Wow , the guy stated a problem and a question, and you answer like that?
Where do you live? I would like to install some swirls on your vehicle with a 40 grit wheel.
There is 'NO ONE' here in central Oklahoma that I have found, willing to tackle a 2019 RAM 1500 Bighorn with Black Crystal paint. My wife's truck is in desperate need of a complete scratch and swirl mark removal.
Excelente 👌
Thanks brian
I sometimes get buffer trails with a DA and foam pad is there a reason to that?😕 or is it because there was buffer trails BEFORE hand and since I only did a 1 step it didnt correct it?
Yes hate buffer tracks, especially when I go back to the the car dealership where I worked back in 1986, and all the new and used vehicles are all swirled up, NASTY
You tell them Brian! Johnny Cheapo better get his stuff together!
Love it
Johnny cheapo love it .. got plenty of them around here 🤦♂️
Iam struging with haze marks and smears left behind on a new black escalade. What are the best products and pads to use on it. Polish and pad combo and a high gloss spray wax?
Koch Chemoe M3 02 and the color matching pad. I would use a sealant in place of spray wax.
Hey Brian, out of curiosity are you on the corvette forum?
Thanks. I'd also be interested to know whether it might be possible to finish out better with a more aggressive pad/polish combo. I was watching a glass polishing video, and they were moving the (rotary) machine in quite random patterns, which I assume was done to minimise "buffer trails". One pattern they used quite a lot was circular motions of the machine - kinda like a manually implemented random orbital motion.
If you do not step down after the cutting process...you will see the pattern ....in any direction.
@@apexdetail85 Ok. Just to make myself clear - what I meant was to possibly be able to "finish", using a rotary, with the same aggressiveness that is possible with a DA. It would take more skill, but I wondered whether it may somehow be possible. If that's what you understood I meant, then that's fine - thanks.
@@apexdetail85 sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is stepping down?
@@indiviiduall Stepping down means going for less aggressive pad (people call them finishing pad) with polish instead of compound. When cutting you always start with a cutting compound and medium to aggressive pad.
Hey how can Johnny cheapo down the street be in Philly when he’s down the street from me in Michigan?
The Rotary is the best tool if you know how to use it . Yes Halograms are a by product but if your experienced enough you can completely leave No Halograms with the Rotary if you know how !! The DA or old Rotary polishing machines will remove any Halograms with the use of a finishing cream. It’s all about practicing and patience.
Awesome! So after the micro cut then what? Wax?
At least a sealant or coating. Wax is ok...but washes off quickly.
So I need to cut it with soft black foam and cutting paste? Or should I try polishing paste with orange and black pad to finish it? On Da, any ideas someone?
Top man brian 👏 👌.. why these paint shop's don't finish out , god only knows..seems they just don't care and have no professional pride 😕 🤷..thanks pal..
Body shop detailer here, I can help explain why many body shops in particular tend to leave swirls behind:
To keep a job in most body shops, you need to know how to use a rotary- but you really, generally, only need to get passable with it. When you get a car in that has been in a collision, the system only gives you .3 hours (three tenths of an hour, also known as 18 minutes) to sand, buff, polish, and wax each panel that has been repainted. Anything over that and you're costing the shop money. So, most body shop guys learn how to sand, buff, and quickly polish out panels, and then maybe cover their tracks with wax, because time is money. So, when they go to buff a whole car, their entire experience of buffing is "get this frickin car out of here quickly". If we do the math from the system, you get a little over 3 and a half hours to buff, polish, and wax a typical sedan. That's not enough for perfection, as good detailers know, but many customers don't care.
Our shop does high-end work and detailing as well, but that's because my dad (the owner of our shop) built the business with trust and high quality being paramount. For a repaint going through insurance for example though, that whole door better be sanded and buffed in less than 18 minutes, because the insurance will not pay for anything more.
I've had the exact same experience with my last 2 visits to the body shop. Two different vehicles but same problems, scratches on chrome parts, swirl marks, compound or polish residue in different places etc...
had a long scratch from the local car wash. tunnel which was a easy fix. But the Detail manager decided to do the job himself. and buffed out the whole Blk SUV Escalade and left it like that. ! ugh Bro it’s a Limousine. truck. i can’t have those in there. They just down care !
I see them is the parking lot all the time.. I gotta get some cards made up😁🤓
I started off using DA machines, then learned rotary. Since that I've rarely ever use the DA unless I'm working ultra soft clear and just want to jewell the finish.
I’d Like To Know or, At Least, To Have an Idea, Why a Few Detailers Use IPA Every Time After a Set of Passes (With Either Polisher) To Assess The Result, While Others, Like Yourself, Don’t.
What I’ve Seen and Heard in This Regard is That Not Using The IPA, The Work Can Be Masked With The Polishing Compound.
What Do You Think About It ?
Many Thanks !
Best Regards !
Ed
São Paulo
Another awesome video and content good friend. Wait a minute. U saying the trolls and haters don't know shit about detailing. They always seem to think and act like they do.lol.congrats on ur soap.long over do.b well good friend
So do you do a decontamination again or just basic wash before you do this
All steps including decon.
I bought a cheap ass DA ($30) and went over my whole truck. Needless to say it’s absolute trash hahah.
But the good news--while waiting for my Chem Guys TorqX and pads I’ve watched hundreds of UA-cam vids and am pretty aware of what I did.
Way too fast, way to big of areas at a time.
Not to nit pick . But.. to the upper left of center emblem , near corner ( drivers side ) I seen some slight hazing or swirl marks , it could be the lighting 😝
That is an unpolished area he left for example.
With all the different polishes and pads available today , along with great vids from APEX...no reason to get swirls in the paint
What's a good ceramic coating, to use on a motorcycle engine?
My wheel coating is industrial grade (high temps) apexsurfaceprotection.store/
I noticed all the shops here that charge 100$ buffs leave nasty rotary marks. But that's why it cost 100$ 😂😂
People are alway upset when I tell them how much paint correction is. They're like, I know a guy who can do it for less... Then by all means, go to him.. and you can come back to me when you get holograms in your hood 😂
Do you wet the pad befor you polish or it not really need.
A pad conditioner is optional. I have not noticed a difference at all with or without however.
Brian, are you getting pad stall in this application? Just noticed that you’re not getting a whole lot of rotation. Intentional?
Some pad stall...yes. correction was still being done as shown if it came through the camera.
Just out of curiosity…I’m noticing more uses with Koch Chemie and not 3D One. Are we liking Koch Chemie better? I’m intimidated by all the different cuts with the Koch Chemie line. Just looking for opinions.
I just dont use a product once and jump on it. It takes time and patience to find strengths and weaknesses of each product or tool.
@@apexdetail85 thank you, Brian.
@@apexdetail85 Absolutely, results take time to measure. As I grow in the business , I try and take some notes, so that incremental and minor changes can be documented as well. The goal , for me, is to find and duplicate excellent results with a minimum of effort and stress, yet be well rounded knowledge wise to confidently handle the odd or difficult job.
We can spend a lifetime gaining that experience or we can learn , hopefully, from those trusted few that have the results we want and have come before us. . That’s wisdom.
Wearing a jock strap will help you get them out faster. I’ve been detailing for 90 years. Dog hair on an sos pad with make any paint shine like it was brand new. The dog hair must come from as close to the dogs butthole as possible. Hope this helps!!!
Im reading all the trash talk here, but the reality is different. Some people (like me) want to do things properly, but lack proper light. Unless you have proper lighting, you will go "oh that's awesome, I nailed it". Until the car gets into sunlight.
You will not solve the problem problem if you are not aware of it.
That's the difference between a car wash detail and a Profesional detail. Unfortunately, the majority of car owners won't see it unless it is pointed out to them.
Majority also think the Vaxx is "safe and effective"
Is there a reason why a lot of pros use a dual action polisher? When ever I see a dual action polish on a vehicle I see the dual action marks. I think a detailer should always look to learn all the time and keep up with the new products when ever you see one come out. Do research on the product
Good question...I like to use my rotary as often as I can.
There will come a day when more and more customers will know how to differentiate a good work from a crap one and that will be their ultimate doom ...
It’s all in the lighting also . One might look good inside , but outside .. oh crap I suk 😂👍🏼
I’m the guy with swirls on my truck that I caused lol
0:27 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Insert Jim Carrey face from Liar Lair
“it was me!!!”
Around where I live detail shops only want to pay employees $50 on average to do a full detail so they don't take the time to do it right.
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most car wash’s don’t know how to finish the rite way. it’s by Volume Not Individual vech .
“The guy in the comment section of every video who has a smirky answer to everybody’s comment”.🤣🤣🤣
Like we need a reason to dislike them more…
There's one in the comment section on this one too.
Was that a 6 inch pad on the rotary ?
Ratary did the work best than orbital tool
Sir, do you have an email address I could send a picture to. I made a small mistake on my own vehicle and need your advice please.
miragebjs@yahoo.com
Step down and finish out are the most important things.
SO many rogue 'detailers' out there don't know how to "wet-sand", let alone cover up their own 'highspeed' mistakes.
Everything looks better wet and in the dark ... lol
Must have charged for a one step. LOL Because they left out step 2. LOL
Love the comments…keyboard warrior 😁
😂😂👍🏻
So, you didn't explain a thing.
That’s just Lazy…
Bull crap. Now wash the truck 2 or 3 times you will see the swirl marks from your buffer you have made in the paint.
Dam i feel targeted 😢