Why COPS Don't Carry Pepper Spray Anymore

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  • Why does OC spray hurt so bad? IDK, but I can tell you why I don't carry it anymore as a police officer.
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  • @BluMurmillo
    @BluMurmillo 10 місяців тому +69

    Pepper spray is one of those things I didn’t think I would ever carry before I did police academy. After experiencing it I realized just how disorienting it can be, and I’ve always carried it since starting patrol.

    • @carson4388
      @carson4388 10 місяців тому +5

      For me personally I love OC spray. I use to carry it as a sheriffs deputy, but now for the city department I work for they won’t allow OC and taser, because it could potentially catch on fire if both are used in conjunction. Which I get, but I mainly liked having OC spray for dogs. Off duty I carry Pom OC and it is fantastic I’ve used it several times this year on dogs and worked very affectively. Other than that I do carry the same exact asp collapsable I use for dogs, windows ect.

    • @mb3558
      @mb3558 10 місяців тому +3

      The OC taser 🔥 issue was dependent on the propellant utilised and repeated dousing (ie at least a full can or more) before it posed a fire hazard. MythBusters challenged it once and was also overly misrepresented in CSI.

    • @carson4388
      @carson4388 10 місяців тому +3

      @@mb3558I brought it up, but my department doesn’t want to take any chances with the two, so taser and asp it is.

    • @daddybeagleaz907
      @daddybeagleaz907 10 місяців тому +1

      @@carson4388 I carry POM too and like it very much. I just wish they offered larger sizes, they're great people too.

    • @dai_505
      @dai_505 3 місяці тому

      ​@@carson4388 Mine is the same way. NO Taser after OC..... They also moved OC to the same UOF space as Taser.... So screw it.

  • @claytons5092
    @claytons5092 10 місяців тому +64

    OC still has a place in law enforcement. Have used it more effectively than tasers in certain situations.

    • @dovesarygray8076
      @dovesarygray8076 10 місяців тому +5

      So much same. I much prefer OC. Sure they can fight through it, but they can fight through the taser and OC lasts longer.

    • @daddybeagleaz907
      @daddybeagleaz907 10 місяців тому +2

      @@dovesarygray8076 me too

    • @forsakenmagic
      @forsakenmagic 10 місяців тому +10

      I've seen the taser fail more often than not. Had success with OC over the years.

    • @daddybeagleaz907
      @daddybeagleaz907 8 місяців тому +1

      @@forsakenmagic would you agree that the TASER is an "all or nothing" tool ie regarding effectiveness?

    • @thomasmarchese2808
      @thomasmarchese2808 Місяць тому +1

      @@dovesarygray8076right. Taser is a temporary and inconsistent 5-10 second ride on a dragon. Then it’s over until you go for another ride. OC is sitting in the dragons fire and there’s nothing you can do but let it suck. Wash it off. Burns all the way down and everything it touches or gets into to. Just a completely shit time. And has a track record that it works on or or at least significantly impairs the vast majority of people hit with it. And is a lot easier to carry with a fire arm as well than basically a small plastic fire arm shaped thing as well

  • @derweibhai
    @derweibhai 10 місяців тому +15

    I love OC, it works 99% of the time whereas Tasers are 50% at best.

    • @derweibhai
      @derweibhai 10 місяців тому +4

      Pepper gel only, NEVER fog!!!!!

  • @chaelsonnen4617
    @chaelsonnen4617 10 місяців тому +16

    It's a great tool in prisons and jails. We use it to break up fights, to stop riots like you mentioned, to prevent staff assaults, to conduct cell extractions through level 3 area OC exposure, and get get a resisting subject to cuff up or to comply. A lot of us Correctional Officers are exposed to OC so much that we are used to area contamination. So far, the Fox labs OC I carry every day has had a 100 percent success rate in gaining immediate compliance after deployment. Some departments may not allow Fox, but if it is an option, I highly recommend it. This was a great video.

    • @ulf3303
      @ulf3303 9 місяців тому

      Fox is great. Spraying a combo of that and phantom has avoided a few extractions. I wouldn't trust any other Sabre oc besides phantom, been proven to be garbage more than once.

  • @OfficerDelta1
    @OfficerDelta1 10 місяців тому +15

    As a Prison Officer in HMP, we now carry PAVA. Amazing tool for crowd control and using it to keep distance in general. However inside such units, the cross fire is as fun as you can imagine.

    • @dustroys7239
      @dustroys7239 10 місяців тому

      We carry MK2s inside our prisons. We also carry the X2 tasers. For crowd control we have pepper ball launchers

    • @OfficerDelta1
      @OfficerDelta1 10 місяців тому

      I would greatly see the use of both of those, however in the UK Tasers and PAVA are classed as firearms and the issuing of PAVA has taken years. In training I was trained in the use and after care of deploying PAVA however getting issued it was a nightmare. I think it took around 4-5 months to get issued it. So up until that point I only carried a 21inch autolock baton. However still have never drawn either my baton or PAVA in the time I've worked in HMP.@@dustroys7239

  • @jamesalles139
    @jamesalles139 10 місяців тому +13

    you get a dose 👆, You get a dose! 👈, YOU get a dose! 👆
    _Everybody_ gets a dose of O.C. spray!

  • @TheBiggityBoyd
    @TheBiggityBoyd 10 місяців тому +17

    Honestly, I still carry OC on my belt. It is small enough (MK3 can) to not be in the way, and it is an additional tool that I can use.

    • @DavidLLambertmobile
      @DavidLLambertmobile 10 місяців тому +2

      I do security & carry LE grade Mk lll on duty, on occasion. In 2023, "excited" delirium is a big concern. Pepper sprays or OC might not be as effective as a suspect or EDP who's not on drugs, bath salts(Flakka).

  • @xWhoIsMoe
    @xWhoIsMoe 10 місяців тому +8

    i respect your opinion however i carry it since i’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it since it’s a small can i can easily fit on my belt

  • @gunzablazin01
    @gunzablazin01 10 місяців тому +12

    I work for a medium-sized municipal agency in Arizona, and we are required to carry pepper spray and tasers, but not batons. We aren't issued batons but are trained in both the expandable and side handle PR-24 and can carry them if we want to.
    The city I work in is Phoenix adjacent and some of it is very urban and some is very rural, and some is suburban.
    Early on in my career, I was voluntold to join our riot squad but have stayed on it since, and I was deployed for days at a time during the Floyd riots. I have been trained in not only OC, riot baton/shield, but every less lethal munition you can fire from a launcher that you can think of.
    I am personally a big fan of OC spray. I have used the MK9s for riot control to great effect, I have deployed OC on combative subjects on the street and on barricaded subjects inside of structures, including cars.
    For regular patrol use I carry the Sabre Red MK4 stream. When deploying it on combative subjects it has only ever been when it is just me and them. Tasers are great but I don't trust them without a backup officer present because they are routinely defeated by clothing, I have yet to encounter someone that can fight through OC spray, but its also rare that I even have to spray, tase, or hit someone because I know how to talk to people.
    The most important skill any officer can have is their conversational skills. Your brain and mouth will get you farther than anything else, your tools should be for when that doesn't work although some people leave you no choice but to go to your tools.

    • @daddybeagleaz907
      @daddybeagleaz907 10 місяців тому +4

      Yep. Your best tool is the one above your shoulders!

  • @zacharydalton8132
    @zacharydalton8132 10 місяців тому +5

    As a Corrections Officer I’ve seen OC spray be wayyy more effective than a taser. But that’s just my .02

  • @mynameizjam
    @mynameizjam 10 місяців тому +4

    A lot of agencies in Minnesota are switching to a brand called REPULS. It basically affects the eyes and skin with the burn feeling, but 0 breathing affects so it only affects who its on. The decontamination also only needs 1/2 a bottle of water and its done. Doesn’t re- activate. Pretty nifty.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      That's not good. You want it to be a respiratory irritant too. Because that takes the fight out of the suspect. As an OC instructor, you want both involuntary eye closing and respiratory irritant. That gives you the best chance of the suspect to stop resisting or stop the suspect right in their tract.

  • @Firsir
    @Firsir 10 місяців тому +13

    Spare a thought for those of us who have mandatory carry

  • @robertkidnley93
    @robertkidnley93 10 місяців тому +20

    I worked armed security for a huge homeless shelter in texas 32 acree big 5,000 plus people and OC was the only none leathel we had it seems to work better then the tazers PD had

  • @2234chrisdavis
    @2234chrisdavis 10 місяців тому +12

    At my current agency they require we carry all 3 less lethals to "not limit our oprions". Personally, I love OC and it is right up front on my belt. At my last agency however it was optional. So I kept my OC. I didn't carry my X2 or ASP.

  • @SgtSly
    @SgtSly 10 місяців тому +3

    I work in a smaller city where it is incredibly common to have a semi-feral dog that “almost” belongs to you. These people have nearly zero control over their dogs and they will bite a responding officer.
    Dogs constitute like 98% of my OC uses.

  • @DavidLLambertmobile
    @DavidLLambertmobile 10 місяців тому +14

    Be aware OCs or pepper spray over time can degrade or wear down. I'd replace the OC after 3-5yr. Check the label or company. I prefer stream sprays over fog, gel.

    • @thedudejackietreehorn
      @thedudejackietreehorn 10 місяців тому +2

      I’ve heard of guys deploying their old aerosol OC only to have it soak their hand and not spray in a nice stream as intended.

    • @DavidLLambertmobile
      @DavidLLambertmobile 10 місяців тому +2

      @@thedudejackietreehorn note: weather & heat 🌡 can affect pepper spray or OC too. I would not rely on it in extreme heat. Do NOT store it in vehicles, cars.

    • @Valorius
      @Valorius 10 місяців тому +1

      I can tell you from experience that the aerosol propellant will absolutely go bad in some brands

  • @benb5960
    @benb5960 10 місяців тому +4

    29 years LEO bas MP & Fed (now retired) and found OC a fantastic tool, if you use it soon enough. Yes, there’s cross contamination, but it’s much better in many situations than taser or baton.

  • @Rileysworld727
    @Rileysworld727 8 місяців тому +4

    As an armed security officer my company doesnt allow me to carry a baton or a taser due to potential liability. OC spray is the only less lethal option I have.

  • @greenyoshi777
    @greenyoshi777 10 місяців тому +6

    I believe in having options. Anything to avoid pulling the trigger.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +3

      Exactly. Having options. I agree 100%

  • @mr.duckplucker5353
    @mr.duckplucker5353 10 місяців тому +4

    OC spray is effective. However, if you want something that takes the fight out of a subject, then I recommend OC spray with CS gas combined, works fantastic. Sabre makes this formulation.

  • @Valorius
    @Valorius 10 місяців тому +4

    Speaking as someone who was a big city repossessor and private investigator for almost 20 years in some of the most dystopian ghettos in America, pepper spray is absolutely awesome as long as your goal is not to take the other person in custody. Pepper spray is great for citizens and not so great for cops.
    I particularly like the combination cs/oc sprays.

  • @frankies6770
    @frankies6770 10 місяців тому +5

    I carried oc when driving a cab and doing repossession work. It came in handy on occasion

  • @GT83963
    @GT83963 7 місяців тому +2

    I prefer OC over the Taser and feel it offers more flexibility - crowd management, multiple subjects, multiple applications, dogs etc with significantly less chance of injury. I’ve lucked out in that the times I’ve had to use OC, it worked well. Even if someone has reduced sensitivity to pain, most will be visually impaired. I think the key is picking the right formulation and delivery system for your needs. Some agencies are still issuing sprays with 0.2% Major Capsaicinoids. Most are going to sprays that have 1.33% like Sabre Red or First Defense 1.3. Those offer more rapid and intense effects. Cross contamination is reduced with training (don’t spray with multiple officers around the subject, don’t spray in the polyester pile) and one has to understand what OC does and doesn’t do. It is not meant to “incapacitate” a subject, although it certainly seems like many subjects are incapacitated after successful deployment. It’s meant to create a pause in combat or distraction. A lot of the bad rep OC had over the years was from OC products with poor quality controls and a pungency level similar to capsaicin based arthritic pain rubs. Sabre Red and First Defense 1.3 I can vouch are both very effective on most subjects.

  • @RimCheck
    @RimCheck 10 місяців тому +4

    General guidance. Follow your policy and applicable laws. Different roles, different tools. Ounces equal pounds the longer you work. Use of force in my area all less then lethal are same levels of force. Oc baton taser fist same thing. Use whatever is effective and legal for the situation. Never not use something or do something due to optics. If you do, eventually you are going to be hurt or killed. Stay safe.

  • @adamwilson7811
    @adamwilson7811 3 місяці тому +1

    My department uses a lot of OC. Our most common method is with somebody who is actively fighting but we have some level of control, and the third officer sprays some on a rubber glove and rubs it in the suspects face. Minimizes contamination, and works great.

  • @DougSpende-eb2fz
    @DougSpende-eb2fz 10 місяців тому +2

    I have used my OC SPRAY Mark 3 safe life defense for 25 years now. It works better than my X-2 taser. I use my ASP now and then. I miss using my PR-24. I took off my taser.

  • @firesharksar2250
    @firesharksar2250 6 місяців тому +1

    Not sure what department you are with but just about every department I know of, including mine, still carries OC. TASERs are great, until they don't work which is about 50% of the time. If you train with OC and use it appropriately, its a great tool.

  • @ofcrwoof6308
    @ofcrwoof6308 10 місяців тому +2

    When the taser became really popular, bunch of the motor cops stopped carrying their baton. They bought into the whole idea that the taser is the end all beat all solution because they have seen it work so many times. Now and days cops still want to rely on it but stopped carrying their pepperspray. IMO with how many times I have seen the taser fail and pepperspray work, I will continue to rely on pepperspray as an option but to always remember to transition as the less lethal option fails.

  • @Kiwitastiic
    @Kiwitastiic 10 місяців тому +1

    O/C has been great when working 1up.

  • @jeffpotter6392
    @jeffpotter6392 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for sharing

  • @bwofficial1776
    @bwofficial1776 10 місяців тому +2

    From watching Active Self Protection, it seems like Tasers have about a 50% effectiveness rate but OC spray is nearly always effective at taking the fight out of someone. A quick blast of OC can knock the resistance out of them as their face is now on metaphorical fire. Since the Taser is the new hotness it's what everyone wants to use. Both Tasers and OC have their uses and it's worth carrying both. If you use spray OC instead of fog it's less likely to get blown back.

    • @freefieldtraining
      @freefieldtraining  10 місяців тому +2

      You have to realize that what you watch of encounters on the internet is curated to maximize views. This does skew our perceptions of the world. Tasers when used as originally intended work gloriously. Policy and law have restricted how they can be used to ineffective methods. Oc is best used before the fight is really on. If you try it while clinched up with someone or as fists are flying...well everyone gets a dose.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

      With OC, there is about a 2% probability that it won't work.
      It normally won't work on someone that's high or someone that is used to cayenne pepper.

    • @freefieldtraining
      @freefieldtraining  10 місяців тому +1

      @@bdogg20101 I guess that would depend on what your definition of "worked" is.

  • @w00dy-18
    @w00dy-18 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm big fan of OC spray but it has it's limitations. It works when applied correctly in the right situation. It's also effective on dogs if you spray their nose. I prefer it over shooting a dog. I currently don't work patrol anymore, so I don't carry it anymore. Also the police in my country don't carry a taser. Only special response teams have it. We just get Oc, baton and a firearm.

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 27 днів тому

    I am not a sworn law enforcement officer, nor have I been, and since I'm retirement age it is almost certain that I'll never be. OC is something I carry with me when not prohibited because I am more likely to get away from an attacker without injuring either of us than if I go hand-to-hand. Back in 1978 I had an encounter on the mess deck of the USS Tripoli as a Marine on mess duty. A group of sailors surrounded me and one tried to fight me--I threw a handful of black pepper in his face and moved to do him more harm but the fight was over. I had been filling pepper shakers and I expected the pepper would only distract him a moment or two, my opportunity to take him out of the fight--but he gasped and inhaled at least a tablespoon of that powdered pepper and didn't want to fight any more. Fight over--lucky me. That sailor seems to have been the amphibious task force boxing champ. I was out-classed. Pepper avoided injury. I did have help--another Marine from the avionics shop had my back. No need to do more damage.
    Better still, I was never again bothered by a sailor on the Tripoli.
    Specific tools for specific jobs--a baton used on green areas still creates bruises and contusions. Most confrontations are not deadly force, so using pistol bullets isn't justifiable. I'm sure that my purple belt in Kenpo Karate will impress people just as much as my Marine Corps hand-to-hand combat training way back when or the security guard handcuffing and baton training--no impression at all. Personal defense goals are get away from the person trying to hurt me, stop that person's unprovoked attack, get to safety--and follow through with appropriate action. Pepper spray is less than 100 % effective, there are contamination issues, the wind affects usefulness, there are other people in the area (always a consideration even when using only hands and feet), and most of all, hosing down someone and then standing there admiring my handywork will just get me stomped into the pavement. OC is a tool to gain time to do something else. I can easily imagine pepper spraying someone, cuffing them (and crying because the subject is now contaminated), then putting the subject in a closed patrol car and trying to drive to the station for booking. I'd have to wear a gas mask!
    When working as a security guard, any tear gas product was prohibited for me because of licensing issues and because "don't give nothin' away for free--the client didn't pay for an ARMED guard." Plus, tear gas in the war zone where I worked as an armed security guard was considered to be a war crime. I did experience CS in gas chambers during training--several times--but wasn't authorized to use CS, DM CN or OC as part of my official duties or while employed as a force professional.
    I used black pepper aboard the Tripoli because that's what I had. OC would have worked better as a distractor if I had it--but even black pepper required "decontamination" because there was pepper on the deck, on the tables, on the chairs, and I was lucky I didn't pepper myself. I learned to carry decontamination wipes with me when I carry pepper spray--I had a cannister of Mace activate in a pants pocket one time and I learned from that. Pepper spray is very limited. Sometimes OC is the wrong answer. Why carry what you don't need?
    My goal is learning something every day. Thanks--this video filled met today's goal.

  • @mattm6205
    @mattm6205 10 місяців тому +3

    I think it’s foolish to limit your options.

  • @security29
    @security29 10 місяців тому +6

    I am Canadian as a security guard I am carrying Saber dog spray

    • @venz8201
      @venz8201 10 місяців тому +2

      That's very risky imo, possession of weapon charges are easy to come by. Unless your site has a constant dog threat.

    • @security29
      @security29 10 місяців тому

      @@venz8201 no I am only carrying it off duty , I am all good

    • @venz8201
      @venz8201 10 місяців тому +1

      @security29 ok the phrasing was confusing because you said "as a security guard I am carrying," which would be on duty equipment.
      Idk if I was going for a walk maybe but to the grocery store or whatever probably wouldn't risk it because of carry concealed weapon

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +2

      It depends. It is all about the laws. I know in certain states if you spray a human with bear or dog pepper spray, you open yourself up to a lawsuit.

    • @security29
      @security29 10 місяців тому

      @@bdogg20101 very true

  • @dai_505
    @dai_505 3 місяці тому +1

    Used it ONCE, never again.
    It's not that it doesn't work (it doesn't some times but it does a lot)....
    It's because then YOU have to put your hands on them, and now You're Being exposed to it, especially if they are resisting.
    We're required to carry the Foam/Gel, but I never use it. Even with that stuff, it gets all over. Only time I'd use it is riot control (ERT Team) and we have on respirators.
    Besides, my dept, like many, Once you OC some one, we are prohibited from using Taser.
    If we're going hands on, we're going hands on. Tasers fail, and OC SUCKS to fight in.

  • @jakejudson8578
    @jakejudson8578 10 місяців тому +1

    It fits my budget nicely. Thx For the video Tommy.

  • @MarkelBeverley
    @MarkelBeverley 10 місяців тому +1

    They still carry OC in my city.

  • @Dennis-p2l
    @Dennis-p2l День тому

    I carry the Sabre aim and fire pepper gel gun.
    It's a gel I think gel is a lot better.

  • @bunberrier
    @bunberrier 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm a civilian, but carry OC along with my sidearm. It would do something in an encounter, if you can get it on the face. Or alternately, it may render an interior space uninhabitable for a few minutes. If you just get it on skin or clothes, especially outdoors, its not worth much IMO. I've tried a couple, Sabre Red, the green one whatever that is, and currently another one. I buy the most expensive, best rated ones in a stream configuration. When the expiration on the can arrives I replace them and also take the opportunity to spray some on my arm or leg to see what I feel. Its basically nothing. A kerosene type smell and a slowly building heat that becomes mildly uncomfortable over a couple minutes. Wouldn't stop me from engaging with someone if I was a bad guy at all. I haven't tried getting it on my face and I'm sure that would be MUCH worse. To sum up if its not in the eyes or being inhaled its sort of worthless, at least that's my experience.

  • @user-zs4bx1un7d
    @user-zs4bx1un7d 10 місяців тому

    When i was on a dept. I was sprayed with oc. I carried all the time. I now have saber . Gell with blue dye. Have no problem recommending it.

  • @JohnSmith-nh9vr
    @JohnSmith-nh9vr 8 місяців тому +1

    Lets say it ! You don't carry it because you was train to kill first and ask questions later ( all for the officers safety ) . Having an OC spray on you an not using it before murdering 15yo kid would raise a questions in court room.
    Lawyer - " why didn't you use OC spray before reaching for your gun?"
    Cop - "Because they teach me to kill first , for my own safety of course"

  • @TheCalculatedWarrior
    @TheCalculatedWarrior 9 місяців тому

    Carried OC for years on the job and never used it except on an attacking dog. Worked well on the dog.

  • @fattywithafirearm
    @fattywithafirearm 10 місяців тому +1

    I still have OC on my belt. I know officers who dont. To each their own. I got my start as a college police officer. Pepper spray helps shorten large fights at sporting events.

  • @jorysiler
    @jorysiler 10 місяців тому +1

    My agency requires me to carry it on my duty belt. I would opt out if I was allowed to

  • @SyrupCanuck
    @SyrupCanuck 9 місяців тому

    I've had extreme success with my MK4, MK9, MK 46 in a Correctional environment.

  • @InstructorAnthony
    @InstructorAnthony 10 місяців тому

    Took OC off my belt six years ago. I primarily work the expressway in a windy plains state. Doesn't usually work out well. Still carry baton and TASER. A simple display of TASER gets me compliance. Anyone who doesn't comply with that normally won't comply after getting OC'd either. If TASER is successfully deployed we might even get them secured while their muscles are locked. I'll save my eyes, any assisting units eyes, limited belt space, and my back.

  • @mossyoak737
    @mossyoak737 10 місяців тому +1

    It's because partners keep spraying each other 😂😂

  • @kennethloke5944
    @kennethloke5944 10 місяців тому +2

    As an unarmed security officer I carry a can of mace brand pepper gel. What’s the difference between a Gel based spray and a “regular” chemical spray?

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 10 місяців тому +2

      Former prison guard, so take this for what it's worth.
      Gel is exactly what it sounds like. It's a gel. It sorta works, kinda.
      I have seen and experienced the subject basically wiping the gel from wherever it hits them and throwing it back at us. It sucks.
      A spray, or fog, is somewhat better. A stream is the best imo, although you must always be aware that if indoors, you will be effected as well. Everyone will.
      Stream, good. Fog, meh especially outside.

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 10 місяців тому +1

      Just as an additional fun point here.
      When I worked Mt. Olive in West Virginia, we had a yard riot (not really a riot riot but mass noncompliance and potential for things to heat up quickly)
      We had a backpack mounted OC with a hose connected to a sprayer. Looks kinda like an old flame thrower, but with pepper spray.
      I've seen it used probably three times and it absolutely clears the yard. It's awesome but as with any chemical spray, we all felt the burn that day.
      I've seen it used inside a block as well. Just a ridiculous amount of chemical blasted through the beanhole of the main door. Shut that party down.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

      Gel pepper spray is a thick heavy, dense substance (kind of Like the consistency of honey) and its main use is for indoor applications. The reason why is because it is a dense formula and it does not aerosolize (meaning it does not get into the air) so it won't contaminate others or the environment. It won't get into the AC and travel and contaminate others.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

      There is no such thing as regular pepper spray. It's liquid based. But the liquid formula can come out in different patters.... stream, spray, cone, or fog.
      The only one I recommend as an instructor is stream. Because you can basically control exactly where you want to spray the suspect. Of course as long as it's not windy.
      Stream is meant for ourdoors... not indoors. Because it can aerosolize and get into the air or AC and contaminate other people.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      So it depends on what you plan to use it for and where you plan to use it.
      Indoors- Gel
      Outdoors Stream

  • @bobthebuilder759
    @bobthebuilder759 9 місяців тому

    We use Sabre phantom

  • @griffin_5979
    @griffin_5979 3 місяці тому

    Jesus I just got sprayed today in the academy and easily the worst experience I could imagine.

  • @russhamilton3800
    @russhamilton3800 3 місяці тому

    So a different perspective here. When I used pepper spray (CDCR), many time it was on more than one perpetrator. That is it's niche. Though I never used a Taser, the problem was if you were to tase one guy, well someone is going to come to his aid, or in a at least one circumstance I was involve in the taser failed.

  • @mgf1344
    @mgf1344 10 місяців тому

    I personally don’t carry it on my belt because no one wins with OC. I’ve been in fights and another deputy will pop OC now we’re still fighting but we’re all blind. I keep it in the door for aggressive dogs but as far as people go it’s a nope.

  • @cowbatboots282
    @cowbatboots282 10 місяців тому +1

    Wait what? I teavel reguarly around the nation and almost every cop i run into has OC. They just dont seem to keep ot on a belt location that is readily available. I think most cops now keep OC simply for dogs.
    Its probably a reguonal thing. Does OC work less effectively in cold, dry areas? I live in the south east and OC works bery well (i worked armed awcurity for 7 years and OC was so.erhing i reguarly used for dealing woth dogs and largw unruly crowds).
    Btw i found your videos 7 years ago and youre legit a major factor into why i progressed through the ranks at my job and also why i realized i wasnt fit to be an officer.

  • @kurumiebisuzawa2738
    @kurumiebisuzawa2738 10 місяців тому

    OC has definitely saved my tail from dangerous dogs working.

  • @matthewellisor5835
    @matthewellisor5835 10 місяців тому

    Different missions, different tool-sets.
    I have a Mk3 anytime I'm wearing trousers. That, along with a higher-velocity tool, one each "oh, crap, I'm bleeding a lot" and "you're bleeding a lot" kits, light, blade and lighter.
    Pants-on, tools-on.
    But the OC is mission-driven when my purpose is to break contact. It's kept me out of emergency department and any paperwork on three separate occasions. Call me any names you like but, barring other considerations, I'm gonna beat feet, in lieu of a fight.

  • @colt10mmsecurity68
    @colt10mmsecurity68 5 місяців тому

    OC spray (suspect repellent) is far better than a stupid Taser or ASP (expandable) baton. Those batons are worthless. The Taser is about as worthless as a water ballon for police work. I’ve seen the taser fail more often than not. I preferred my Gonzales 415 sap and a straight stick, once my employer reauthorized them and after nearly 40 years of the PR-24.

  • @MLinktheprophet
    @MLinktheprophet 10 місяців тому +4

    Exactly! Where you are it just doesn't make sense. Most departments just go full on lethal force anyway nowadays.

  • @bigbluemsp
    @bigbluemsp 10 місяців тому

    I carried a stick and then was forced to either carry oc or a taser. I took the taser but i also knew that it is only 40% effective.

  • @RegazozoGaming
    @RegazozoGaming 10 місяців тому

    10 year former correctional officer and I watched OC be ineffective too many times to ever trust it. One of my co workers got his hand broken because a guy took a whole can to the face who was not effected nearly as much as he was. Blinded and choked himself while the other guy attacked him almost unbothered. Being able to force compliance from outside of a cell was the best use I found, highly combative individuals refusing to be cuffed through the slot, you can apply it multiple times if needed and eventually the adrenalin wears off and they get tired of being in pain.
    OC has some uses but I agree they are niche.

    • @turbolegend3976
      @turbolegend3976 10 місяців тому

      In jail & prison most agencies usually have two different OC sprays for this exact scenario. Problem inmates usually develop a tolerance to the regular old saber red, that’s when you gotta bust out the fox or freeze +p.

    • @RegazozoGaming
      @RegazozoGaming 10 місяців тому +1

      @@turbolegend3976 Same issue. If its worse for them its worse for you.. Ouchy

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

      It depends on the brand. Unless it's Sabre Red or Fox Labs, no sense carry OC. The other brands sucks.

  • @12345678927164
    @12345678927164 10 місяців тому +1

    I carry it every day

  • @GeauxRussGeaux
    @GeauxRussGeaux 10 місяців тому

    Freeze +P is very VERY effective on aggressive dogs. And using it doesn’t result in a UOR being written. 🤫

  • @dirtbikesanddrones677
    @dirtbikesanddrones677 8 місяців тому

    Did you say a guy hiding behind a furnish? This stuff highly flammable lol

    • @KE8NUF
      @KE8NUF 6 місяців тому

      Not all of them are, the one I carry by Sabre is non-flammable

  • @mb3558
    @mb3558 10 місяців тому +1

    What's your take on pepperball guns for LE or personal self defence?

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      As an OC instructor, it is not a preferred method of carrying OC. Stream is the best for outdoors and GEL is best for indoor applications. With pepper ball guns, there is a higher risk of cross contamination when the capsule breaks.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      Plus with pepper ball guns, you are aiming for center mass. When the capsule breaks, your hoping that the content gets inhaled by the suspect. And it's more of a respiratory irritant.
      For pepper ball guns, when the ball makes contact, when it breaks, it's more of a powder form. And it can go everywhere. Including if you or someone close by inhales it. Especially on a windy day.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      The only reason why a pepper ball gun is beneficial is for the initial pain from getting hit by the ball (hoping that deters them). And the distance. The pepper ball usually can travel farther than the stream.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      And I only recommend 2 brands. Not the one he is carrying. First defense and mace brand sucks.
      Only carry Sabre Red and Fox Labs.
      I've heard about POM. It's new and I personally have not tried it or used it. But it is for personal use. And there is not enough data for me to recommend POM.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      I hope that helps.

  • @bdogg20101
    @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

    It depends on the brand too. The brand that you have First Defense is crap. The only 2 companies that make OC that is reputable is Sabre and Fox Labs.

  • @jakejudson8578
    @jakejudson8578 4 місяці тому

    Im plain clothes basically

  • @mandrew31
    @mandrew31 10 місяців тому

    In animal control, its best not to leave home without it.

  • @chief8387
    @chief8387 10 місяців тому +1

    i’m currently in college and debating getting a masters afterwards. but i’m very interested in law enforcement. all of it. can’t decide between a local PD or a “bigger picture” position in maybe the CIA or FBI. i speak 4 languages fluently and have a lot of travel history and both my parents work with the federal government (FAA and SBA)
    any advice from anyone? thanks.

    • @Unclebambam
      @Unclebambam 10 місяців тому

      Being able to speak multiple languages is already a huge advantage if going federal LE. I know most federal agencies want at least 3 years of police experience before they would consider. Not all of them (there are a lot of federal LE agencies). If you really want to do something like FBI, Secret Service, DEA, etc… I would recommend you get your foot in the door on the street whether it be local PD or state police. Police work is definitely not for everyone so keep that in mind. If you can handle being on the streets for 3 or more years then you already have a resume booster if you decide to go federal. Best of luck!

    • @Unclebambam
      @Unclebambam 10 місяців тому +1

      Also I wouldn’t recommend using the words “cop” and “pig” in the same sentence if you want to make yourself look good on a background investigation. Just a thought

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      FBI or CIA is a way better paying job. And if you can go federal, that's the way to go. They are always looking for people that can speak more than 1 language. You would definitely have an advantage over other applicants.

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому +1

      I would recommend trying fo get in contact with the FBI or CIA in your hometown and ask for a recruiter or to speak to an agent. I am sure they will be willing to help you.

  • @codypausch1412
    @codypausch1412 10 місяців тому

    We are required per policy to carry OC. I have never used it. Never threatened it. I just hate it so much that I don't want to use it and have it come back on me

  • @ryzezee8543
    @ryzezee8543 10 місяців тому

    carry skunk spray, instead 😄

    • @bdogg20101
      @bdogg20101 10 місяців тому

      Just carry a skunk instead.

    • @ryzezee8543
      @ryzezee8543 10 місяців тому

      skunk spray is like pepper spray, except it stops people, instead of making them angrier 😄@@bdogg20101