Off Duty Police EDC: Summer Edition 2023

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  • @brushemteeth9159
    @brushemteeth9159 Рік тому +9

    This makes me reminisce about the videos I watched first on this channel back in 2017. I'm keen to hear your updates!

  • @Firsir
    @Firsir Рік тому +34

    As usual a nice sane person EDC.
    Medical stuff is nice to have and I keep it in my bag but in terms of keeping stuff on me, it’s usually just a couple pairs of nitrile gloves rolled up in a back pocket. Takes up no space and realistically has given me enough to start helping every time I’ve needed to do so.
    Might want to think about that back pocket wallet though. I stopped doing that a long time ago and my god it helps your back out. YMMV.

    • @murialvoid85
      @murialvoid85 7 місяців тому

      My solution to the back issues is having stuff in both back pockets: my EDC at work (retail) is knife, measuring tape, and small screwdriver in right back pocket, and gloves in left back pocket. So when I sit down I am a little bit elevated but balanced

  • @brushemteeth9159
    @brushemteeth9159 Рік тому +28

    There should be a list of your items in the video description, preferably with a link to a retailer!

    • @boomee78
      @boomee78 Рік тому +2

      You ask for alot dude

    • @bwofficial1776
      @bwofficial1776 Рік тому +2

      @@boomee78 It's not much at all. Most other UA-camrs link to whatever they're discussing in the description.

    • @boomee78
      @boomee78 Рік тому +1

      @ebonitucker4512 it seems you dont have the aptitude to listen research and find stuff yourself

    • @zudo1054
      @zudo1054 Рік тому +1

      UA-cam has rules against some links.

  • @EDCtexan
    @EDCtexan Рік тому +4

    I normally don't watch these videos cause 99% of time it's stupid high dollar crap but you are the first one that carries normal reality edc stuff

  • @bebop_557
    @bebop_557 Рік тому +17

    I can respect the Raccoon City PD choice to carry a Browning Hi-Power while you're working as a cop in a major city as well as carrying a lighter with you Just In Case™. My man's out here being an IRL Resident Evil character and I'm here for it

    • @boomee78
      @boomee78 Рік тому

      I think its a beretta in resident evil

    • @bebop_557
      @bebop_557 Рік тому +3

      @@boomee78 The S.T.A.R.S. agents carry customized Berettas, but the normal Racoon City PD issues the Hi-Power as their duty pistols.

    • @davegrizzly6301
      @davegrizzly6301 Рік тому

      My dad started with a berrtta 92fs imma slap my rcpd grips on my 92

    • @bullridermusic2054
      @bullridermusic2054 Рік тому

      O man, the Browning Hi Power is such a quality pistol. I have a Sig P365 Tac, 1of the mags holds 15 rounds, the other two hold 12. It's a nice firearm and a hell of a lot of rounds for a tiny compact.

  • @TadTrueman
    @TadTrueman Рік тому +8

    The only thing I’d add would be some extra ammo. A speed strip with 5 rounds of 357 easily fits in a pocket and would be nice to have.

    • @venz8201
      @venz8201 Рік тому +1

      ​​@ebonitucker4512 as Massad has said, you can never have too much ammo unless you're drowning or on fire 🤷‍♂️

  • @shootbang7678
    @shootbang7678 Рік тому +1

    Just got my Kore belt and set it all up with gear tried it on and I am very happy with it. The best I thnk I have ever had.

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +2

    EDC: M4A2; curved up blade knife with fishtail edge hookcut, and wire cutters ie: Mini Rambo Knife built in hookcut; Pic of the Ms.; extra quicktime loads; red dotted lights on Weapons, with flashing lights (red,green, blue)

  • @FINALLYOUTAFTER7
    @FINALLYOUTAFTER7 Рік тому +2

    4:57 I’m not even a revolver fan but that’s gorgeous. 🥃🎖️

  • @VAPrepper757
    @VAPrepper757 Рік тому +1

    Great simple EDC setup maybe only suggestion would be an Olight Arkfeld flat flashlight - waterproof and built in battery for easy usb recharging

  • @danielelise7348
    @danielelise7348 Рік тому +2

    Haha,I carry a Zippo too,I LOVE the smell of Zippo fluid🔥🔥🔥

  • @jakejudson8578
    @jakejudson8578 6 місяців тому

    I got a very similar setup, I must be doing it right, thanks!

  • @JaxWatchesandEDC
    @JaxWatchesandEDC 3 місяці тому

    Being in high school in the ‘90s, I have an affinity for the cargo shorts. My wife finally gave up trying to change me years ago. She just knows when Union Bay shorts go on sale at Kohl’s to buy a couple pairs lol

  • @da20eclipse
    @da20eclipse Рік тому

    I mirror just about everything you carry. I’m retired several years now. One thing I would add is a Speed Strip. Easy to slip in a pocket. When I wear jeans it resides, concealed in my watch pocket.

  • @GhoulV2
    @GhoulV2 2 місяці тому

    The belt link doesnt work anymore but that style of belt is called a Ratchet belt if anyone wants to know. Amazon has some great ones and I use it daily.

  • @-Mike
    @-Mike Рік тому

    Perfect EDC.

  • @Timothy-NH
    @Timothy-NH Рік тому +3

    Have you ever had to go full on cop when you've been out with the family?

  • @THENEWWRANGLER
    @THENEWWRANGLER Рік тому

    look into the sog small multi tools, like the power pint, they go on the belt and are very small and not at all a pain to carry.

  • @brianleabo6295
    @brianleabo6295 6 місяців тому

    I carry a 43x you get 15 rounds. Have you tried the Leatherman mut ?

  • @johngaund
    @johngaund Рік тому

    Seen a lot of positve comments with this belt. Told my friend about it and he had it on and sais it is great.

  • @bwofficial1776
    @bwofficial1776 Рік тому +1

    I have to say, I've never looked at anyone's belt buckle unless it was a big Western buckle. I've heard mixed things about the durability of Kore's belts. Nexbelt is similar but supposed to be slightly better quality. There are sealed lighter bodies that take a Zippo insert if you find your fuel evaporates before you can use it.
    I was hoping to hear more about that nickel/chrome Hi-Power pictured in the thumbnail still taking care of business. I'd also like to know what kind of waterproof Salomons those are. I've been looking for waterproof sneakers I can wear every day and it's hard to find any that aren't trail running shoes.

  • @anthonyfedock5321
    @anthonyfedock5321 Рік тому

    ... I had gotten turned on to KORE Essential belts a few years ago, love them, I've tried many over the years but KORE belts are the best! ...

  • @Crazypitbull16
    @Crazypitbull16 Рік тому

    Ever considered carrying a 8 shot model 327 in 357 snub nose?

  • @videosbyvick2754
    @videosbyvick2754 Рік тому

    I find myself carrying my 340pd now more and more. It’s very comfortable to carry in the waist and the curve of the handle doesn’t bother my tactical gut! My question is? Do you feel the disadvantage of only carrying 5 shots? When here in Miami anytime there’s video of an armed robbery or drive by. Glock with a 30round magazine. Switch optional! Seems to be always the weapon of choice. Sometimes my thinking is the 340 is inadequate for the Draco/glocks of 2023?

    • @ryanlane4282
      @ryanlane4282 Рік тому

      I’m not a cop, atleast not yet, I’m still in college working on my CJ degree. Never been in a gunfight, but I don’t think 5 rounds is inadequate in all but the most extreme circumstances. If you return fire at a drive by shooter, I doubt they would stop. They are cowards not looking for a fight. That being said, I carry a Glock with 17 rounds and a backup 19 round magazine.

    • @MrTimbeatty
      @MrTimbeatty Рік тому +1

      A revolver has less points of failure. In situations where the fight is close in, it can be pressed in to people w/o going out of battery. It also won't bind on clothes as easily as a moving slide. A misfire is cleared by pulling trigger. A grappling fight on the ground, a revolver is a better choice (also if shooting through a gunport - see the Brinks guards). They used to teach police how to hold their semi-auto in battery during a close-in encounter and manually cycle the slide. But it's 2 handed operation that is unnecessary with a revolver. On going debate as to whether BUG should be a revolver for a SHTF fight or a semi-auto that uses same mags as duty pistol.

  • @docred4739
    @docred4739 Рік тому

    I understand your choice of flashlight, however at today's prices you can get a good, small, Streamlight that is adjustable for brightness but provides a much better beam for about $35 and you can carry it the same place and same way. Also, I understand your choice of knife, however at today's prices you can get a similar knife in a number of brands that has a window breaker on the butt end which would add to your capability but not add to the number of items you're carrying or really increase your money spent by much.

  • @FINALLYOUTAFTER7
    @FINALLYOUTAFTER7 Рік тому

    12:43 we wearing the same watch!!! Unbelievable. I can’t believe it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @MrTimbeatty
    @MrTimbeatty Рік тому +1

    Only new tech thing that wouldn't be good for camping but is great for city is smart watch. My samsung watch works as a phone and credit card when I don't have a phone. When I'm particularly lazy in sweat pants, I'll just have a smart watch that can pay for stuff and call 911. Watch face is changeable so dig or analog. Uses GPS for time. Downside is it needs to be charged daily. I moved away from the fat wallet. ID is inside the phone case and on the phone.

  • @DouglasSpende-xm5kf
    @DouglasSpende-xm5kf Рік тому +2

    Nice i carry my Colt Compact 45 ACP in a nylon Miami vice shoulder harness and with 2 8 round mags in the side ways mag pouch. My cuffs are under my weapon holster which is all side ways. I have my flashlight, Gerber tool and binoculars in my glove compartment of my SUV along with my wallet badge and ID. Great video!

  • @YH-rd4kt
    @YH-rd4kt Рік тому

    Sometimes the very expensive and good gear doesn't last long as we paid them, but a one under $50 Flashlight last long as lifetime.

  • @sheldon822
    @sheldon822 Рік тому

    also run the SW 360PD with kore tac belt but use bravo holster. Fantastic setup no complaints whatsoever.

  • @davegrizzly6301
    @davegrizzly6301 Рік тому +1

    Lol 5'2 thought u were 6foot tall lol I'm only 5'4 I assum bjj is good for us short guys?

  • @fronkmonk
    @fronkmonk 2 місяці тому

    gun retention looks loose. Looks so loose it would fall out if you bent over too quickly. Also doesn't look like it's clamped in enough as it moves side by side

  • @bdsurfer13
    @bdsurfer13 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey, Jay Leno wears same thing everyday, one less thing to think about.

  • @iRagin179413
    @iRagin179413 Рік тому +2

    Finally another male leo my size

  • @madzero0
    @madzero0 Рік тому +1

    Carry what you use and use what you carry. So if you don't use it, don't carry it.
    I often use my Victorinox Climber and pen, but when you don't have a need for it leave it at home.

  • @K37-h1z
    @K37-h1z Рік тому

    Ive always had better luck with no name flashlights. So happy to see a zippo. Fire should absolutly be an edc. I carry a zippo (i also smoke and need to look kool whilst doing it) and a bic wrapped in gorilla tape.

  • @SilentButDescriptive
    @SilentButDescriptive Рік тому +1

    I only watched this to see why you would carry old ASP cuffs, when I am sure I have seen a video of yours talking about it being stupid to EDC cuffs as an off-duty cop or it might have been someone else. LOL no cuffs in this EDC.

  • @comanchedase
    @comanchedase Рік тому

    Pretty good, only sugestion would be to carry more ammo. 5 shots is enough, until it isn't.

  • @Bear-Knight
    @Bear-Knight Рік тому

    Im glad TN lifted its ban on blades 4" and above. I dont go anywhere w/o my 4" high carbon folding tanto

  • @jessehanke656
    @jessehanke656 Рік тому

    I want a boat like that

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +1

    Do the Women and Men at the Station: I met the Kaiser Tsar, King of Ethiopia, Europe and Asia 2

  • @Punisher1830
    @Punisher1830 Рік тому

    That looks like a security guard badge.

  • @davegrizzly6301
    @davegrizzly6301 Рік тому

    I lost a gerber lmt2? I think it was in patosi so if ur in the woods there and u find it its yours 😂

  • @jeffo3253
    @jeffo3253 Рік тому

    Kore Belts are the best!

  • @greenyoshi777
    @greenyoshi777 Рік тому

    Love pepper spray, especially since you only have a deadly force option or your fists. Only 5 rounds of .357? I'd be very nervous with just 5 shots.

    • @greenyoshi777
      @greenyoshi777 Рік тому

      @ebonitucker4512 Well....if you're cornered? You want all the fight you can get! I've seen far too many YT videos and articles online where people eat copious amounts of lead and survive! Sometimes eating multiple rifle/shotgun rounds and still live. Just saying.

    • @Leotheconstructionguy
      @Leotheconstructionguy Рік тому

      If you can’t hit your target under 5 shots you need more practice aiming ….

    • @greenyoshi777
      @greenyoshi777 Рік тому

      @@Leotheconstructionguy I've seen police shootings right here on youtube of people still being able to fight after getting hit with 20 PLUS shots. Donut operator has plenty of them on his channel. Lots of articles online too! That's just how human anatomy works! Some people's luck is so bad they die from a single hit from a .22LR and some people get hit with multiple rifle rounds and survive!

    • @Leotheconstructionguy
      @Leotheconstructionguy Рік тому

      @@greenyoshi777 it all depends where you shoot them if you hit them in head or chest very unlikely they will survive

    • @greenyoshi777
      @greenyoshi777 Рік тому

      @@Leotheconstructionguy There's a reason why the mob changed the rule to "two in the head". Because they found out the HARD WAY (when witnesses and traitors showed up in court to testify) that people could survive a single shot to the head.
      Want proof? ua-cam.com/video/pdjcYjSsIok/v-deo.html
      As a start.

  • @threeforkcreekoutdoors704
    @threeforkcreekoutdoors704 Рік тому

    Living in wv i wear 5.11 desert boots

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +1

    357 yes Sir but that's a 38 short

  • @daleweller5193
    @daleweller5193 Рік тому

    I pretty much carry the same thing.

  • @chryslertechnician3439
    @chryslertechnician3439 Рік тому

    🔥🔥

  • @THENEWWRANGLER
    @THENEWWRANGLER Рік тому +1

    I wish I lived in a free country, where I could carry a firearm.

  • @redneckrebel9830
    @redneckrebel9830 Рік тому

    Do you carry a reload or 2?

  • @WeSkatePN
    @WeSkatePN Рік тому

    I have a kore belt coming right now

  • @colt10mmsecurity68
    @colt10mmsecurity68 9 місяців тому

    Not understanding the carry of the J-frame where you said it gives you approximate “9mm” performance, yet it’s only 5 rounds. Why not then carry something like a Glock 43 which is true “9mm,” holds SEVEN 9mm rounds and is no larger than that j-frame??? Do you carry speed loaders? 5 shots isn’t enough these days. My department made a training video decades ago of an off duty reserve that got into a gun fight with two armed robbery suspects and him with a j-frame. His 5 year old daughter sadly was with him and one suspect shot her, knowing that his attention would take his focus off of him. Well he went through 5 shots faster than a a lightning strike.

    • @freefieldtraining
      @freefieldtraining  8 місяців тому

      Check the performance of 9mm out of such small guns. A light 357 load gets me to the same performance that I would get out of a 5" 9mm. What I trade for that performance is capacity. So I'm more ready for the 99% of self defense situations and less prepared for the (1% or less really) of situations that would require more shots. I'm comfortable with that trade off

  • @DaleWalling
    @DaleWalling Рік тому +1

    I was just here for the bhp that i didnt get to see

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +1

    22 s jam o rama, 38 short

  • @colt10mmsecurity68
    @colt10mmsecurity68 9 місяців тому

    Brother, when “Off duty,” stay “off duty.” Don’t get involved in anything, unless bad guys start making people get on the floor. You know what I’m say’n there. Otherwise, it’s about being just a good witness.

  • @jms972
    @jms972 Рік тому +1

    You Americans should be very grateful that you can carry a gun and use it in self defense, in my country Sweden you can only obtain a pistol if you are a member of a shooting club and thats really hard to become a member of, but you still cannot use it to defend yourself, if you carry it loaded in a holster, minimum 2 years in prison and if you do use it to defend yourself you will lose your permit and be charge with murder or manslaughter, So the public sercurity officers and police use the baton very often, The PR-24 cannot be use (the best baton) but we have very high quality of Swiss and german batons with push buttons. Pepperspray is considered like a firearm in my shit country.

  • @mikeburgan7675
    @mikeburgan7675 Рік тому

    Nice

  • @jeremyknop5378
    @jeremyknop5378 Рік тому +1

    Yeah I always find it funny when you watch edc dumps and guys got like 5 pounds of shit in addition to the gun they claim they carry everyday. Nice to watch one that's actually honest.
    I carry a flashlight and a skeletool in a tale of knives caddy on my belt, my p226 in an owb holster, my wallet and car keys and then i wear a fanny pack I keep some medical, my phone, cigarettes and lighter in. My multitool already has a knife so I honestly don't bother carrying a dedicated one.

  • @Kali_Bear1776
    @Kali_Bear1776 Рік тому +1

    It warms my heart that I'm finally taller than someone else lol jk

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +1

    Am I the boy's favourite 😊

  • @tyler-reeceparr6336
    @tyler-reeceparr6336 Рік тому +1

    Looks drunk just like on the job 😂😂

  • @Chertoff88
    @Chertoff88 Рік тому +1

    If you're not a very experienced shooter do not buy this gun
    It kicks like a mule cause it's so light

  • @BrentTully-pc7zk
    @BrentTully-pc7zk Рік тому +1

    Hi 👋

  • @rickgrimes931
    @rickgrimes931 Рік тому +1

    Wow, the thumbnail did not match at all.

    • @MarkelAnderson
      @MarkelAnderson 8 місяців тому

      That was the point .

    • @rickgrimes931
      @rickgrimes931 8 місяців тому

      @@MarkelAnderson - Then it totally went over my head. Not even going to lie.

  • @alexmalm6406
    @alexmalm6406 Рік тому

    Lol our favorite view huh?

  • @Texas2Step79
    @Texas2Step79 Рік тому

    EDC Fudd Edition ..

  • @Dantheman3306
    @Dantheman3306 Рік тому

    Did he say he’s 5’2”??

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому

    Sir, tu know who I am ? 😊

  • @woolyworm6366
    @woolyworm6366 Рік тому

    You’re off duty man. Just enjoy your day off. Coming from a guy who’s been in a few shootings. Let someone else deal with the bs

  • @videosruin
    @videosruin Рік тому

    lol, a 5 shot revolver

  • @johngiles8320
    @johngiles8320 Рік тому +3

    I kinda have a different view about this now..... I believe that in areas where you are highly recognizable as a police officer...Especially if you worked those areas consistently for years, you should absolutely carry your full credentials and I mean your badge and restraints and other items you would need to perform basic police arrest duties.... As far as my EDC is concerned in other areas where I'm off Duty my focus is primarily on self-defense defense and the defense of my family.
    If I react to a situation, it is important to note that I am not acting as a law enforcement officer nor do I intend to identify myself as a law enforcement officer and in fact, it will not be known that I am a law enforcement officer until I come into contact with responding officers who detained me....but I will not broadcast this. I will exercise my right to remain silent and seek council beyond the basic initial statement.
    Once you identify yourself As a police officer, you are ON DUTY at that point if you are a commissioned law enforcement officer..... Therefore, now your personal defense and the defense of your family and safety take a back seat the offender or person or situation you are engaging... Because you're acting under the authority of a police officer... And by law everyone in your area of control is expected to comply....
    Everything that you do in that scenario... Up to that point will come under heavy scrutiny as it will be judged under the doctrine of your training and practices and of the policy of your department, the Academy you attended, the granting authority of your commission and the laws governing your authority (the bill of rights)as a police officer..
    If you are acting in a self, defense or defense of others scenario while as a private citizen, you can respond as such, with the same constitutional protection as a citizen acting in a reasonable and prudent manner.
    This means you'll face less liability if something should happen or someone should become injured or.... In worst case scenario loss of life occurs.
    If you are acting as a private citizen, you, nor will your department be held responsible for your actions in good faith...This should also insulate you from civil liability Though it will not prevent you from being sued. Not only by the offender's family, the offender and/or the store, its respective employees and the private citizens who just happened to be there, that you probably saved.
    My credentials are minimal. I do not carry my badge off duty unless I'm in an area where I am well recognized as a law enforcement officer And I have jurisdictional authority to respond.
    My kit consists of a glock nineteen a spare mag from my seventeen a small pocket knife which by the way...under no circumstances am I going to willfully get into a knife fight....with anyone.
    I do not carry any life preserving equipment when im not acting as a LEO....unless I simply must put myself in a situation where I reasonably believe that I might need to trear myself or loved ones...such as traveling.
    Life preserving equipment and training are liabilities as well if you are involved in a deadly incident. These items will be removed from your person and tagged as evidence or at the least mentioned in a report....the liability risk is obvious.
    I carry because if it comes between myself my family and a threat...im choosing myself and family. My day job and the well-being of the offender and everyone else is not my immediate concern...in my statement, i will reflect that I was acting soley in SELF DEFENSE and defense of vulnerable people in my immediate care (children/spouse)....I was scared and in fear for my life....period.
    I do not walk around in 5-11 gear....I do not present as a threat so that hopefully when the shooting starts in the grocery store, I can grab my people and get them to safety....I am NOT batman.

    • @johngiles8320
      @johngiles8320 Рік тому

      @ebonitucker4512 you're missing the point, brother. 10 years ago, id be with you 100%. But not in 2023. Just watching your six and other young guys. Take it or leave it. Ive seen it happen to guys.

    • @johngiles8320
      @johngiles8320 Рік тому

      @ebonitucker4512 I said brother but I didn't have my reading glasses on....sorry. .lol.

    • @johngiles8320
      @johngiles8320 Рік тому

      @ebonitucker4512 👍

  • @jeffdur1330
    @jeffdur1330 Рік тому

    😂😂😂

  • @Kamingo170
    @Kamingo170 2 місяці тому

    Boggles the mind when people choose to carry a 6 shooter instead of a standard compact semi auto. Why on earth would you ever want to hinder yourself in a self defense scenario with LESS ammunition at your disposal? Just not smart.

  • @nomercyinc6783
    @nomercyinc6783 Рік тому

    if off duty carrying cuffs seems excessive

  • @makevelicustoms
    @makevelicustoms Рік тому +1

    I would like to see what underwear 🩲 you have on while reviewing you’re EDC?

  • @mattjohnson8090
    @mattjohnson8090 7 місяців тому

    Damn 5 2 thT sucks

  • @matthewmarston5149
    @matthewmarston5149 Рік тому +1

    Tsar of Russia and Ukraine and Crimea 2, King of Ethiopia and Germany, as well as France and America

  • @dai19721
    @dai19721 Рік тому +3

    oh dear looks drunk.....

    • @treyparnell6314
      @treyparnell6314 Рік тому +3

      Looks more to me like a nightshift worker enjoying his hobby during the day… What do you know?

    • @dai19721
      @dai19721 Рік тому

      @@treyparnell6314 he looks half drunk or drugged.

    • @MarkelAnderson
      @MarkelAnderson 8 місяців тому

      @@dai19721never seen someone half drunk or drugged talking as coherent as him. Your insult didn’t stick. Give it up and stick to what you do best

    • @dai19721
      @dai19721 8 місяців тому

      @@MarkelAnderson nope hes had a few pints...maybe some drugs as well.

  • @loveobviously
    @loveobviously Рік тому

    Do you have a link to that belt ?

  • @deanburney
    @deanburney Рік тому +2

    A gun - but no tourniquet. That’s a bit foolish on its face isn’t it? No spare ammo?
    Carry “A gun, a knife, spare ammo and a tourniquet.”

    • @deanburney
      @deanburney Рік тому

      Your own gun is the reason for the tourniquet FOR YOURSELF good brother! We can generally live without a bandage when wounded. But if we need a tourniquet we can die so quickly, before any help can arrive.

    • @flathead8534
      @flathead8534 Рік тому +4

      At some point you have to live your life. Too much stuff will weigh you down and just be aggravating. Only so much pocket space. Everything is a compromise.

    • @VAPrepper757
      @VAPrepper757 Рік тому +1

      Am sure he knows first aid and get's updated on it every year from his job as a PO and could make his own tourniquet out of nothing MacGyver style! also to each his own on spare ammo and how good of shot they are pretty sure one .357 defense round and the other person would be down and out of gun fight pretty damn fast