Но даты не сходятся, ведь в игре говорится что Кейс был подопытным у пантеона, но эту лавочку прикрыли в 70-х. А Белл попал в лапы США в 81м, то есть он никак не мог быть участником этого проекта.
@@IceBurgZQuestion here: we know Jackson Caine works for Pantheon, but do the other members of Crimson One know about Pantheon? Is it possible the rest are actually good people, but made to hunt the good guys? Look at Baileys bio, she says she is there to hunt the "traitorous" Rogue Ops Team.
One thing I've noticed about the campaign is that Adler and Marshall say "it's up to you" multiple times. Maybe this is the equivalent of "We've got a job to do"
Wouldn't be surprised if the ending of Bell being shot was just a hallucination of his mind trying to fight off Adler's control one last time before his mind got wiped, again.
I’d believe this, like in the mission where we enter Janes mine she has to keep fighting to regain control but at the end of Cold War Adler wins and kills our free will or like you said memory. Adler “killed” what was left mentally of Bell
@@jacobqixel4578and Tank Dempsey saying "Player, drop the chips and get me some ammo" doesn't specifically mean the player is in fact eating chips. The bell voice line could just be a joke about the end of cold war and not a specific confirmation
That's because he went thru some scary ish in the emergence mission. Anyone would be yelling in their sleep after seeing Zombies, Manglers, Monsters, and creeping mannequins in hallucinations lol
@@ChadHellgadoNo, it was after. The note appears right after, and Felix worries that Case's "unpredictable and volatile emotional outbursts" or something along those lines could compromise them. Just by the wording alone, I think they were also gonna kill them if it went wrong and Case/Bell went effectively feral. Nothing good comes of someone who's been ripped of their identity and made into a puppet.
Even Inkslasher elaborated on this. After shooting Bell to register him “dead”, Adler brought him to the Advanced Technologies and Applications. From there, scientists (including Adler himself) introduced The Cradle to Bell. Bell becomes unstable, but eventually pacified. ATA and Adler give him a new identity… again. William “Case One” Colderon. It could also be implied that Sims and Park also took part in this too, hence why they also pretend they don’t know him.
case was involved between 80-81 bell was with adler in 81 and bell was working with the Russians the whole time so say if case was bell wouldnt make sense plus wouldnt everyone knows case is bell? once he talks ppl would know and his body mass like bell could be 6foot 180 and case could be 6'2 215 i think there 2 different ppl plus case real name is William Calderón which calderion is spanish and sefardi origin bell was Russian
0:02 @@TOXICYT2016first of even if sims or park or troy knew why would they jeopardize everything by giving hints and why would they even give hints they would obviously pretend to the end that they don't know just like how they did with bell everybody apart from mason woods and lazar knew that bell was part of Perseus but they pretended not to know so why wouldn't they do the same with case if case is bell secondly William is obviously not his real name do you think it would make sense for the scientists to use his real name just so that later by searching about case real name not only the scientists but even case would have been tracked down by cia hence ruining there experiments obviously cases name William is fake just like bell was a fake name there could also be a possiblity that if case really was bell then Adler would have obviously given him this name Thirdly they might know cases body mass but how would they know bells body mass they didn't spend too much time with bell so your theory doesn't make sense and even if they did knew bells body mass alongside cases that still doesn't change anything someone's body mass alone cannot determine who he is there are literally billion ppl in this world there also could be a possiblity that one could either have a similar body mass to another or not so like I said doesn't really prove anything
@kpopfan8109 ok, what ever u say, bud if u being real there not the same person and also if u google case on the cod wiki stats it's william "case" calderon but u never mentioned the last name the last name is Spanish origin bell was Russian right? Why would a Russian have a Spanish last name 🤔
This is what I like about the Black Ops series. Nothing is as cut and dry as the MW series when it comes to telling a story. The game will not tell you outright what is true. It's even willing to lie to the player, 'The Truth Lies.'
Eh not that odd I guess. Other than the usual reusing assets cleverly, both seeing zombies during their hallucinations is a fun way to explain how the effects of the drugs they are under, like it's clear on what the goals of the drugs are when it's inducing a state of mania, hence the zombies and the players feeling hunted and attacked.
@NiCoNiCoNiCola it's weird cause technically it's both. Bell could have hallucinated zombies due to the drugs but Adler can reset him to the path he wants after Bell succumbs to them.
This could be nothing but the two names are Case and Bell. Now when I read the title “Case is Bell”, I thought Cassius Belli, a Latin term meaning “time for war”. Both Case and Bell are only really activated in times of war. Could be a complete coincidence but cool nonetheless
I'm honestly a bit surprised that you'd watch that cutscene over and over but then not even mention how the last monster of the drug trip is literally Adler.
During emergence a lot of the zombies will flicker between zombies and one of the story characters, so not much special there. The final boss is Adler though
A small note, take this with a grain of salt: during Bell's MK-Ultra there is a rathole you can go into and encounter Zombies, Case when exposed to the cradle sees not just zombies but Mimic, Manglers, Abomination, and Deciples which I found weird like: How the bloody h*** does Case know what these things are and Vice versa with Bell since zombies weren't a popular thing especially with glowing eyes. Follow me for a second: Campaign and Zombies are canon to one another, right? On the map Firebase Z, there is a conversation that Aetherium can affect one's mind (followed by side effects). Now I'm just shooting in the dark here what if MK-Ultra had some form of aetherium in it, So when in this theory Bell/Case was exposed to the Cradle which had a more potent Aetherium in it's mixture. From Bell's MK-Ultra brainwashing would give him a resistance to the negative effects from Cradle, which would explain how he was the ONLY successful trial. Think of it like that one guy in real life who exposed himself to snake venom and built up a resistance to it, but in this case Aetherium for Bell/Case. I could be looking into this the wrong way but it's just my two minute paragraph.
Actually the ending of Black ops 4 zombies solidified all call of duty games from that point on starting only with the Black ops timeline in the modern warfare timeline the infinite warfare all those are in the same universe just a different time points and zombies lore Is also 100% canon that's why CPT price was in black ops cold war well CPT price father also another thing to add to this to events of the modern warfare stories were meant to be like the old ones on purpose and ig soap is uncle Ben bc he will always die @@meatbeatmania
@johnrigdon9767 there's not a single thing that has said the zombies is canon to the campaign just because it uses characters from the single player doesnt make it canon i mean hell if it was they'd sure as shit be bringing it up at least once during the story kinda hard not to talk about seeing the undead and horrors beyond man's comprehension
The ‘Neurological effect’ theory is a little bit taken out of context and not established . If you finished the whole game, you will find that the neurological effect is actually appeared when Case is going to do something ‘brutal’. For example, it happens when he is going to kill Harrow, Gusev or the guard who tried to stab him in the mission ‘High Roller‘.. .When Case heard ‘Pantheon’ or ‘Cardle’ , he got the effect because Case was a tester of the Cardle project and he knew Pantheon. So it is just some kind of ‘Memory comes back’ but not becuase the order of Alder.
In CW after Adler says “sims and I always wanted you to be cia, didn’t take to much convincing” he explains how they used bell’s cryptography skills to access information, and in BO6 you are doing cryptography puzzles to access terminals
I feel like the fact that the final mission in cold war takes place on march 15th aka the ides of march has some significance, because bell was betrayed by adler like how caesar was betrayed by the senate
Yeah the Cradle act like the number with Mason. Reznov program Mason to kill Steiner, Dragovich and Kravchenko. But in BO2, Kravchenko isn't death and Mason need to control himself to not kill him. Case got something similar. Harrow and the doctor works on the Cradle, so Case kill them for not let some people feel the same effect than him
Honestly, my main issue with this theory is that it requires a lot of the returning characters from cold war to either be willing to play along with Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell or somehow not recognize him when they served with him as Bell. The most agregious one to me being Park, who's only alive because Bell saved her over Lazar when they were in Cuba. It's not impossible or anything, but it feels wrong that even she'd turn a blind eye to Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell when he was the one who saved her life.
What about Woods and Park? They both seemed more or less friendly, like Case was an acquaintance and a fondly respected colleague. There’s no weird dynamic or treatment, they definitely treated Bell way differently.
True, although CW is directly after his brainwashing whereas BO6 is 10 years down the line and after Bell had saved the world by telling them about the location of Perseus’ nuclear launch site. Maybe they’ve grown to trust him by this point
Yeah Woods, Park, and Sims would have said something. I mean they worked with him, Woods talks to him like he doesn't really know Mason; Park or Sims didn't greet him like they haven't seen him like they did Adler either. Also I feel like Case is closer to Marshall and Sav's ages too.
This makes a lot of sense to me just based on the fact that, throughout the campaign, Adler never really questions Case’s origin or backstory. It’s entirely possible that he always knew about the Cradle testing on Case due to him working at ATA, but Adler would still doubt his allegiances and morals, unless he had witnessed Case’s reasoning first-hand despite brainwashing (end of Cold War). Because we all know that Adler is living paranoia. Might be the same case with Woods, because from what I remember, Woods wasn’t aware of Bell’s origin until the final mission, but he’d have to be of Case’s. I believe at the very least, Marshall, Harrow and Livingston would all know, which is why Case isn’t in the debriefing cutscenes for the first mission or really any others.
I just realized that, while the dialogue options between Case and Adler are few, there doesn’t seem to be anything repeating conversations between Bell and Adler from Cold War (asking about his background, the scar, etc). There are two issues with using this as evidence though. One that stuck out a little was the option about Woods taking a leap of faith with Adler, but that’s likely in reference of Adler being marked as the mole for Menendez, not Case being wary of Adler. When discussing Pantheon, Adler brings up Hudson and said he didn’t know if Case had worked with Hudson. While I don’t think Bell operated in the field with Hudson, probably due to him not trusting Bell, Bell would have still known Hudson, so this is strange phrasing if Case is Bell.
Also one pattern I see with cod bo games protogainist names are in alphabetical letters like BO1-A for Alex BO CW-B for Bell ,BO6-C for Case,BO2-D for David
@@kayagorzan The canon of the bo3 timeline is that the person we play as (player) is only actually in the first 2 missions as they die from injuries. The rest of the story is reliving the memories of John Taylor. With talor being us (player) in the story and taylor being Stone who is never seen in game but the scrolling messages at the start of every mission tell us this info. So the player DOES exist, although we only play as them for a short period of time. Basically its all a dream recounting taylors irl memories.
I’ve seen so much people trying to say it’s mason but they seem to either forget or don’t even know that mason died like 8-9 years after bell was shot by Adler and case popped up and was tested on that same year bell was shot so the timeline doesn’t add up for mason.
@@IceBurgZ guess the only thing that fights this theory is the fact that no one reacts to case as they know him so maybe dlc or next game will tell us what happened or new information.
@@offensivepepe231they haven't said anything conclusive about whether Mason is "dead" or dead. The most they said is that he is "assumed dead" in BO6 which could go either way.
I was waiting for a theory like this. It felt like they were setting up something like this but didn't have time to flesh the story out. I found it so weird how we were just introduced to new characters like Cass and other main characters in BO6 with no backstory, and I was waiting for them to reveal Marshall and compsny wasn't real and that everything was in Case's head or something. But the story never went there or did anything with Case's backstory as a test subject until the last moment of the game which was a bit disapointing. We didn't even get an "evil" ending like with BOCW (I was thinking the entire time that the CIA are not the good guys and was waiting for the option to join Pantheon lol)
Maybe. Case was exposed to the Cradle at the end a lot more than the diluted, early iteration that he had first taken. This “final” strain made people way more aggressive, hence why the only option in the end was to kill Harrow (as far as I know). We also don’t see Case in the last part of the campaign, and he was literally locked in a crashed helicopter that was burning and slowly filling with water. Basically, he’s dead, but the team we see in BO6 will probably return once or twice.
I've always thought the gun Adler shoots Bell with looks like the tranq gun used in "Another Brick in the Wall". No one ever brings that up but I've had this opinion since CW came out.
It’s not it’s his silenced 1911 if you go onto his CW operator you can see it’s animated on his kit which is also the same outfit from the end of the game
Correction it’s not silenced but it’s a 1911 all the same side note rewatching the scene he motions to pull it from his holster but if you look under the flap and sticking out the back you can see the grip and top of the slide of another 1911 still in holster (it’s a animating error not a two guns theory to be clear)
This would definitely make our connection to bell a whole lot more interesting and deep. When I got a feeling that a bell reveal would happen I actually felt joy. I waited for any mention of bell from anyone in the game, especially Adler but nothing. I hope, this theory holds water cause being a consistent character in Cod would be dope, maybe even eventually flesh him out as an actual protagonist in future games. One can only hope
im so confused as to why people would think they would just keep a known former soviet soldier who remembers his memories (and potentially acts on them), especially adler. The campaign says “Case volunteered for the trials”, Case has been a CIA assassin for years, and hes had the same callsign since he first started. Doesnt anyone think its simpler to recruit a civilian and MK ultra them instead of shooting a russian soldier and keeping them AGAIN. Adler wouldve realized their conditioning was broken and then again, itd be a risk to brainwash them AGAIN knowing they already remembered what was done, and the Perseus thing was done, bell was a loose end.
Training a soldier for special forces isn't easily replaceable for tier 1 assets, even irl. They are not easily replaced so in game logic for what bell and case is capable of, that's not easy to make someone else trained up to that extent especially with all his background on kgb training.
The reason Case loses control on the guy next to the plane engine is because the cradle is designed to make people violent and murderous. Case was a special case (pun intended) in that the cradle had a different effect on him. It is said multiple times the reason he can fight the way he does is solely because of the cradle and assassination training he received with the cradle exposure. However he was exposed to the cradle again when he reentered the facility. This additional uncontrolled dose is what led to his loss of control over himself when presented an opportunity for violence. This is also when he began hearing another voice in his head. Further showing how much that does affected him. You see this again on the final mission when he received another dose and attacked Harrow like a rabid animal. Something that suppors your theory though is the fact that you can read text in the bunker that is "translated from Russian". Which means Case somehow knows russian. What adds to this is that none of the other characters ever acknowledge this trait probably because that trait is a link to his first personality of a russian.
i may be wrong here but i thought Adler says "We've got a job to do" but Case didn't react at all. side note now i have to play the story again and see
I think Bell and Case are brothers because when you play Hunting Season mission in Bo6 and open the 4 pin lock box, each of the box has a audio log and they talk about two brothers being experimented
The problem with that theory is that neither Woods nor Park nor Sims do not recognise case as bell. And they know him as they worked with him in cold war
@@darkleonidas395 that's a long shot. Do you believe that someone who spends private time with someone will never remove a mask? Also we dont se case at all. Even in cutscenes he is not visible. Also on the last mission if you use rcxd you won't see case
Also, what is weird (probably a coincidence) that almost every time Case gets into the serious mission, he prefers Russian weaponry. Example: AS VAL in bunker sequence in America, AK/SVD combo in Raid mission, e.t.c. Maybe he is more familiar with it, since he was a soviet agent(muscle memory and all that)?
I doubt that the wepons hold much significance. Janes parents both had Makarov pistols and I’d doubt CIA agents have any Russian oriented or favored armaments.
In the emergence mission in bo6, case is called case one by the scientist, don't forget case was one of the people that were meant to be the super soldier. in the story you can hear that they said they treated case with the cradle for him to be the super soldier, he also gets the dizzy effect whatever it is when he hears pantheon and cradle since the scientist said case can't ever talk of the pantheon or cradle
i don't think they are the same person, there's a lot of evidence pointing to them not being the same, i think the reason case is so eager to kill the guy after Adler told him to is because the cradle just makes people violent but case can somewhat control it so at that time hes just being influenced by the cradle to kill and not because Adler told him to, i do however agree that bell is not dead and he most likely regained his memories and is now being held in a prison somewhere, im pretty sure there is dialogue somewhere in the campain where they say case has told people to just call him case, i think its because deep down he knows william is not his real name because they always called him case one in the labs, after they altered his memory to not remember the experiences and his past his subconscious prefers they call him case since its a more familiar sounding name to him.
This theory has the same major plot hole it has in InkSlasher's video: There are at least 3 characters in the BO6 story who knew Bell in CW, so they know what he looks like, he would have needed extensive plastic surgery for this theory to work.
@@VanaheimRangeryeah I don’t think so either. I was more so talking about Park. Sims did seem to be upset though, about Adler having his own way of doing things, and giving Case a warning.
@@williamcranmore4069 I know I’m reaching but bell was one operative, there for like 5 months, in 1981. Assuming she has done multiple operations since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if she forgot, or if she was told he was closed off by Adler.
I feel like Woods would definitely know if Case is Bell considering Case does in fact interact with the characters via dialogue options, so idk I doubt it’s him at all. Woods would RAISE HELL about that
@bonelessduck8986 no I mean literally the footage they show repeatedly for masons death is the shot in the leg footage not the hole in the head footage
@@IceBurgZthey did use the footage of Mason being shot in the leg but they already did state Mason being shot in the head was the cannon ending I don't think they ment to use that footage to be honest and bell is definitely dead he/she was a Soviet agent that worked for perseus and Adler just needed to know where perseus was after that bell was of no use i thought the same thing I thought bell might have been case but their not sadly
Yes but what if they were lying this game has been in the works since Cold War came out and if they knew what the story would be. Plus if you look at the scene where Adler “kills” Bell he doesn’t even shoot him in the head the gun is pointed more down.
I like your theory but its weird that Adler,Sims and Park dont acknowldge case as bell they fought together against Perseus and then ten years later after adler shot bell and let him be brainwashed again and then work with him again without being sus and acting like he is a different person is weird to me. I hope that we get anwsers in the seasonal content just like in cold war
@silverback1953 thats what i thought he has a mask on in haunting season and probably a mask and hoodie in high roller but he probably has no mask in the rook and at the gala mission because in the rook there are only his friends and at the gala they wouldnt let him have a mask at the gala maybe he had one when he Changes clothes but adler was at the rook after the mission its weird
You're forgetting about Woods which makes this whole thing unravel. I doubt that he'd just shrug it off, especially after Panama. Case also got a radio to call in airstrikes meaning Park would've heard him speak.
See, THIS is how you set up a good character mystery. Give us a base line, add something unique but abnormal, add some obscure dialogue/lore, put in a couple of implications, and BAM!! A character that could have theory after theory as to who they are and what actually happened to them.
idk it looks like adler shoot bells head and just the idea of them brainwashing someone brain twice and still being able to function even for cod doesnt seem to likely
That and when Adler shoots him, the angle looks like he shoots bell in the head before bell can aim on him, I doubt he’ll would survive 2 headshots and get brainwashed all over again, that’s a lot of gray matter and memory loss to be combat effective
Something tells me that Jane is still alive. We never see her die the screen just goes dark, and we're not entirely sure that she's confirmed dead, they can ve keeping her alive because, as case was beating her up, she's begging him to stop that the good side of her has prevailed over her evil traumatic side. I feel as if Jane will be getting the Bell treatment to keep her in line permanently and she'll be helping Marshall's team to takedown the new pantheon head.
But why would adler try to brainwash bell again because before you got shot as bell in cold war he literally said that you have to make another sacrifice and considering the fact that bell was able to get their memorys back from being a Russian soldier I don't think adler wouldn't want that same mistake happen again
Yeah i think so as well especially given the fact that they point point Adler worked at the lab but never elaborated past that. Feels like there was a lot they intentionally left out and that continues with the ending as well
I noticed that the cliffside where Adler shoots Bell in CW looks suspiciously similar to the cliffside outcrop behind the safehouse in BO6. Its not quite identical, because there's no sign of the mansion in the CW scene, but I think it was intentional and just a slight retcon since they probably didnt plan it ahead
Case having a neurological effect at 2:37 isn't because of Adler... Case's neurological effects often triggers when anything or anyone related to the cradle is said or present. In which case, the scientist Gusev at 2:37 is very much related to the cradle. So yeah... Adler really isn't the trigger.
@@IceBurgZ Case has control over his aggression... because the cradle isn't brainwashing it's aggression triggering... Other "cases" is when with Case is with Harrows...
Because Case has a good control over his aggression... since the cradle is aggression inducing not brainwashing... and it has been said that Case is a special case with the cradle. Take Case and Harrow for example, Harrow is another person that revolves around the cradle.
if there are no cliffs on the island, the final scene might be psychological fight taking place in Bell's brain: the fight between his conscious personality and that of Adler's brainwashing implant. It's what happens to Tyler Durden in Fight Club.
I wholeheartedly believe bell is case it just makes sense you know timeline wise and story wise i do hope this theory actually turns out to be true i really want bell to be alive and case too hopefully he didnt die in the end Also love this video and lastly can I ask you something if you don't mind that is what is going to be the topic for your next video?
I thought during the campaign that Adler would slip the name Bell for once when he was talking to you the player😂 Altho this was my though before I watch this video😊
If bell is case. Adler would be dead. CW ending had a gunshot at the end. So if bell is case Adler should be dead. I doubt they would try to shoot each other then when they miss call it a day
Unless as I explained in the video it was a implanted memory, considering there are no Cliffsides in solovetsky (where the last mission takes place) where was bell shot?
Everybody really want deep down to see Bell come back and alive. I'm not sure if Adler point blank shot actually killed him since Bell has good reflexion
So i have a theory that the womans voice in Cases head IS Bell and its more like because of the experimentation Case "inherited" Bell or perhaps Bell is "Born again" by "The cradle" having Case and Bell merge minds essentially. Thats why alot of the monster's case sees bear a resemblance to Adler and why theres still a hint of brain washing from Adler bleeding over into Case
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@ I watched it multiple times, at first the voice and her speak at the same time, after that the voice stops talking but she continues, without her mouth actually moving. In addition the voice sounds similar to the evil Harrow in the weird flashback mission
I think it is as well but if it isn't then stone has to be bell now the reason I specifically think it is him is mainly because the way that he's portrayed is so similar to Bell I'm just everything about him gives me bell feels he even looks a lot like him in that one mission where you you know get to play in third person because when you look at him in the car in the mission in cold war they look very similar
Case one's situation is very diffrent from bells it seems clear that Case has extreme rage issues we see others infected with cradle beating each other to death within seconds of infection, its likely that Case has lesser symptoms but they are still present, he attempts to kill Harrow at the games climax and the "you can dispose of him now " is basically Adler letting the murder beast off the hook. They took Case and ran him through the same program they used on Harrow at the end of the game separating the part of case that is a loyal agent of the US and pushing it to the forefront pushing that beast down deep into his mind but its still there driving you to kill. My theory is that there are 3 cases inside your head, the rage monster that doesn't speak but blurs your vision and forces you to violence another voice which is your logical self that still hates cradle the US and pantheon for what they did to you and for just throwing you away, also stopping you from telling woods about Pantheon and the cradle right after Emergence because she knows that may empower the rage or worse pull them all together again, and then there's the loyal solider who willingly signed on to the experiment to save his country to be a hero. Adler absolutely knows this happened to Case and Bell may still be alive but I'm sure if Case was bell then Adler would have put another bullet into him on the spot, he is well aware bell is a ticking timebomb leading to a super terrorist that hates the US.
Omg this would make sense cause in Cold War while you’re going thru one of those weird memories things that addler triggers there is entrance to a cave or something and addler tries to steer you away from it and if you go in you end up with just a pistol with a handful of rounds and zombies attack you until you die and reset you back to where you’re supposed to go I feel like this absolutely connects the story lines of bell and case as well since he was seeing zombies hallucinations I was wondering why they had that in there it didn’t make sense until now
With how fast case can move even compared to multiplayer. He’s clearly a super soldier and not to mention regenerating health and armor from takedown. Also pretty sure he killed Jane Harrow’s parents. I think Adler shot him to erase his memories and he regenerated it. Weird but makes sense
I support the theory that Case is Bell from Cold War. After Adler shoots Bell, he doesn't kill him but then sends him to be used for The Cradle project. Bell became Case One, the first test subject of The Cradle and survived the process and became the first "super soldier". Jane must've been there as well, took pity and wanted to "help" Bell. But then eventually, Bell loses it and goes berzerk but that might be due to that fact Bell might've had started seeing Adler OR dreamt of Adler killing him and that made Bell go berzerk and destroy the facility. Livingstone learned what happened and shut the program down, the workers and the patients. But because the docs and Pantheon saw the potential in Bell, they still "helped" him and wiped his memory clean of everything that happened: working with Perseus, used by Adler and destroying the facility. So by maybe using something similar to MK-Ultra, they wiped Bells memory clean and gave him a new one and new identity, Case and Case would be Pantheons first "sleeper agent" and Bell was giving to the Black Ops division and worked under Marshal and Harrow. When Case returned to the facility in Emergence, Case was exposed to The Cradle and during all that time, Bell came back and the Jane that "helped" him was back. After finding Marshal and Sevati, Case came back and had no memory of what happened but the voice was still there.
One thing I am interested is the voice Case hears, specifically the female voice. Is she a symptom of the Cradle or something they brainwashed him with to control him. Or was it a real person at the place that he had a real connection too.
If bell was case that would be reaching, Adler knows what case looks like, and in that were true then he’d recognize him, he also seems fond of case compared to be because he doesn’t fully trust bell in Cold War
@ I suppose, but the story with case is that he willingly tested for the brainwashing to become a super soldier for pantheon, why would Adler be in on it because he despises pantheon and wants to get rid of them? Case is basically an unknowing sleeper agent who gives them intel on what they’re doing to pantheon, it would make 0 sense for Adler to be involved with pantheon
Nah it's not reaching case being bell does make sense when you truly think about it and also adler was like that with bell as well and not just Adler others seemed fond of bell too and look what happened all of it ended up being fake so yea how do we know that all of the affection for case is not fake either? Cuz it very well may be
@ no one was fond of bell, everyone was really suspicious and never really trusted them when going through dialogue options, the team with case actually seem to like case as a person, plus marshal really seems to trust him since they’ve had years of combat experience together so case was an early implant, it just canonically wouldn’t make sense with the time frame they’ve given
@@1990hondacivic umm I never said that they were fond of bell I said that it 'seemed' that they were fond of bell I also said that it turned out to be fake did you like not read my comment at all? I know that they were obviously acting which is why I said this before too that maybe the affection towards case is also not real if case is bell maybe they are acting with case too maybe troy didn't actually know case from before maybe troy is lying and pretending just like everyone else the thing is we don't really know if there affection this time is also real or not it does seem more genuine tho this time around just like you said it yourself but we still can't rule out the possiblity that it's all not a ruse and with Troy looking like he really trusts case maybe because that's just how troy wants it to look like or could be his personality too an easy going guy idk..man cold war really did give me trust issues I can't even trust anybodys words apart from woods🤷🤷🤷anyways I would still believe my theory of bell being case just because it makes the most sense to me obviously that doesn't mean it would make sense to everyone and I get that bell could very well not be case and I could be setting myself up for major disappointed but even so i will stick with this theory to the end.. we will know the truth eventually so let's wait and see
There's a lot of implication that Bell is in fact Case, but I think that's intentional. Nothing is confirmed, which leads to conjecture. One of the more subtle ones to it and one I like is the comparison's between himself and Caesar. "Casus Belli" and Case Bell. The fact Bell "allegedly" died on the same day as Caesar, which is March 15th. Just a couple of examples. Also this storyline is taking place in Dimension 2210 as a continuation of Cold War. For those that don't know, that's the 3rd zombies universe I'm pretty sure. The one that houses the Dark Aether Saga, Warzone (And by extension the Modern Warfare reboots) as well as Vanguard. This means that by the time of the campaign, Edward Richtofen would have became the director of Requiem and moved on to Project Janus. Also given the timeline, there's a chance Requiem "could" have picked up where ATA left off. One ended in 1981 and the other was founded in 1983. But that's a big "IF" the whole Bell/Case theory has anything to do with the Zombies storyline. Could bring up more questions about what "The Cradle" actually is. It'd also make you wonder back to "Scenario 17" (The zombies easter egg back in Vietnam) and how it's linked to things.
As a side note, shouldn't Park, Sims and Woods be able to recognize or realize Case as Bell. And if so, wouldn't they object to this treatment of someone who proved themselves plus sacrificed it all and had their backs even after finding out the truth. Park Especially in certain choices in Cold War (MI6 background).
@UP51L I was thinking that, but it seems too convenient. Plus, the voice and certain ticks should tip them off like British Accent, Cryptography, Etc. Figured few things would still remain from Cold War to make them suspicious
@ we don’t really know any of Bell or Cases mannerisms nor how much is and isn’t lined in black ink. From the video, it seems Adler is essentially their case carrier. If he knows how to brainwash effectively, surely he can make a Brazilian out of a Norwegian.
another detail that is really interesting is that if you don’t listen to adler in cold war interrogation and you go into the bunker a zombie will attack and kill bell. case sees the EXACT same zombies in black ops 6…
Actually I thought this too it Adler knew his brainwashing isn’t perfect so he takes him to the lab he worked at and what do you know that lab just so happened to have the cradle
hey Icebergz! and i honestly full agree! I think Case is Bell like why would, volunteer yourself for an experiment just like that, it doesn't make sense... unless Case is Bell
Heres my theory: in 1981 bell is betrayed and captured, being experimented on in not just mk-ultra but also on the cradle, later bell is infected again and gets shot, he is re mind controlled as not just case, but he's also an undercover agent as harry stone to spy on the warsaw pact/crimson one, and i think he didnt die in the heljcopter crash at the end of BO6, i think that he survived and escaped the helicopter and swam to the surface to continue his uncercover job as stone. I get that it doesnt make sense but hey, its a good theory atleast.
@@rio_underscore i said it was a theory, and bell never talks, yes he was a soviet soldier, but that doesnt mean hes of russian descent, but thats your opinion. i think he is stone though.
The effect is seen times before. For example, when you break free of your handcuffs and execute the quick time event, the effect shows up. It's hard to say why exactly it shows up, it could be a reaction to extreme violence (throwing a man into a bloody jet engine) but in that case the kill from the QTE is really tame..? Doesn't show up during the eye poke, doesn't show up during executions.. Regardless, while it does show up during the order from Adler, I don't think it was necessarily something related to Adler
It might've been related to who he was holding, a man that he knows worked on The Cradle, which he knows is the thing that made him, but also failed him, and is now being used as a weapon in an attempt to make up for it's failure.
@@IceBurgZidk though. I think that bell was just killed off because 3arch didnt want a custom character have plot relavence. Since you cant confirm anything about them sex/race etc. Meanwhile case is confirmed Male/Caucasian. Fun theory but even if it turns out true it doesnt really change much.❤
Maybe that's why Adler only shoots the unarmed person late in the BO6 campaign if Case isn't looking, to avoid triggering Case to remember the implanted memory of Adler shooting Bell
"Case is Bell" no matter the fact that Bell was a member of pegasus and Case was literally created by the C.I.A with the gas as a super soldier... It's literally the complete opposite of Bell, but yeah, COD fans are unable to put one and one together...
I don’t know if Woods would be okay with that. There’s no proof that he and Mason knew about the brainwashing that Bell went through in Cold War and I certainly don’t think Woods would be okay with it after what Mason went through with his own brainwashing. Another wrench in the theory is that Bell was a customizable character. They could be a man woman or nonbinary. While they could canonize them like they did with Park’s survival and the ending, I personally doubt it and would be dissatisfied.
The only thing i think might be slightly different is the that Bell never got shot and that scene was made up, i think that may have actually happened but yeah i think either way they got him back to the facility and he became Case, the coincidence in it all is really too much.
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Но даты не сходятся, ведь в игре говорится что Кейс был подопытным у пантеона, но эту лавочку прикрыли в 70-х. А Белл попал в лапы США в 81м, то есть он никак не мог быть участником этого проекта.
Case was tested on until June 1981
@@IceBurgZ может это ошибка в вашей локализации или в русской, но в игре черным по белому было написано что пантеон расформировали в конце 70ых,
@@IceBurgZQuestion here: we know Jackson Caine works for Pantheon, but do the other members of Crimson One know about Pantheon? Is it possible the rest are actually good people, but made to hunt the good guys? Look at Baileys bio, she says she is there to hunt the "traitorous" Rogue Ops Team.
@@clash8227 well the game is American so it's definitely a russia problem
Close enough welcome back Gaz is Ghost 2009 conspiracy videos
Even though he's clearly not, I can't blame ppl for thinking that when they are both voiced by the same guy
a fellow old man in the chat i see lmfao
Gaz died in cod mw 1
@@027mainothat’s why he said 2009/mw2
Bell and Case have the same VA
One thing I've noticed about the campaign is that Adler and Marshall say "it's up to you" multiple times. Maybe this is the equivalent of "We've got a job to do"
That’s a amazing catch I didn’t notice! Thank you for that piece of info I’ll look into it!
"would you kindly?"
BioShock
A man chooses. A slaves obeys.
I feel that too
Wouldn't be surprised if the ending of Bell being shot was just a hallucination of his mind trying to fight off Adler's control one last time before his mind got wiped, again.
I’d believe this, like in the mission where we enter Janes mine she has to keep fighting to regain control but at the end of Cold War Adler wins and kills our free will or like you said memory. Adler “killed” what was left mentally of Bell
The end of black ops Cold War is the safe house in black ops 6 so it definitely makes sense.
@@roonicous2256It’s not but go off. The ending takes place in Alaska. The safe house in Bo6 is in Bulgaria
No, cause in bo6 zombies when Adler gets a headshot he says “Can I call you Bell?”
@@jacobqixel4578and Tank Dempsey saying "Player, drop the chips and get me some ammo" doesn't specifically mean the player is in fact eating chips. The bell voice line could just be a joke about the end of cold war and not a specific confirmation
Fun fact, in the house, if you go to Felix's room, you can find a note where he talks about Case yelling in his sleep
That's because he went thru some scary ish in the emergence mission. Anyone would be yelling in their sleep after seeing Zombies, Manglers, Monsters, and creeping mannequins in hallucinations lol
@@baroncross3060 I think he said that Case was already yelling in his sleep but that mission just made it even worse
@@ChadHellgadoNo, it was after the mission
I think the note mentions that they've gotten worse after that mission, and that it's confusing as Case is normally so laid back and chill
@@ChadHellgadoNo, it was after. The note appears right after, and Felix worries that Case's "unpredictable and volatile emotional outbursts" or something along those lines could compromise them. Just by the wording alone, I think they were also gonna kill them if it went wrong and Case/Bell went effectively feral. Nothing good comes of someone who's been ripped of their identity and made into a puppet.
Even Inkslasher elaborated on this. After shooting Bell to register him “dead”, Adler brought him to the Advanced Technologies and Applications. From there, scientists (including Adler himself) introduced The Cradle to Bell. Bell becomes unstable, but eventually pacified. ATA and Adler give him a new identity… again. William “Case One” Colderon. It could also be implied that Sims and Park also took part in this too, hence why they also pretend they don’t know him.
Yes we both conversed about this theory quite a bit
case was involved between 80-81 bell was with adler in 81 and bell was working with the Russians the whole time so say if case was bell wouldnt make sense plus wouldnt everyone knows case is bell? once he talks ppl would know and his body mass like bell could be 6foot 180 and case could be 6'2 215 i think there 2 different ppl
plus case real name is William Calderón which calderion is spanish and sefardi origin bell was Russian
0:02 @@TOXICYT2016first of even if sims or park or troy knew why would they jeopardize everything by giving hints and why would they even give hints they would obviously pretend to the end that they don't know just like how they did with bell everybody apart from mason woods and lazar knew that bell was part of Perseus but they pretended not to know so why wouldn't they do the same with case if case is bell secondly William is obviously not his real name do you think it would make sense for the scientists to use his real name just so that later by searching about case real name not only the scientists but even case would have been tracked down by cia hence ruining there experiments obviously cases name William is fake just like bell was a fake name there could also be a possiblity that if case really was bell then Adler would have obviously given him this name
Thirdly they might know cases body mass but how would they know bells body mass they didn't spend too much time with bell so your theory doesn't make sense and even if they did knew bells body mass alongside cases that still doesn't change anything someone's body mass alone cannot determine who he is there are literally billion ppl in this world there also could be a possiblity that one could either have a similar body mass to another or not so like I said doesn't really prove anything
@kpopfan8109 ok, what ever u say, bud if u being real there not the same person and also if u google case on the cod wiki stats it's william "case" calderon but u never mentioned the last name the last name is Spanish origin bell was Russian right? Why would a Russian have a Spanish last name 🤔
@@kpopfan8109 and Case aint his real name either they call him case bc he was case one in the testing
This is what I like about the Black Ops series. Nothing is as cut and dry as the MW series when it comes to telling a story. The game will not tell you outright what is true. It's even willing to lie to the player, 'The Truth Lies.'
Yeah but 3 took it to far
@@danboy123423 actually had a good story it’s just that they didn’t have enough time to properly explain everything they wanted
@@danboy12342 nah, 3 was amazing
@@chromtastic2092 oh yes absolutely what I mean is it went to far into the grey, so much so they had to tell fans outside of the game
@@chromtastic2092 3 was disgusting
I just think its super weird that both Bell and Case see Zombies during the campaign while going through their respective hallucinations
Eh not that odd I guess. Other than the usual reusing assets cleverly, both seeing zombies during their hallucinations is a fun way to explain how the effects of the drugs they are under, like it's clear on what the goals of the drugs are when it's inducing a state of mania, hence the zombies and the players feeling hunted and attacked.
Bell's one was an Easter Egg tho?
@NiCoNiCoNiCola it's weird cause technically it's both. Bell could have hallucinated zombies due to the drugs but Adler can reset him to the path he wants after Bell succumbs to them.
What if there related
This could be nothing but the two names are Case and Bell. Now when I read the title “Case is Bell”, I thought Cassius Belli, a Latin term meaning “time for war”. Both Case and Bell are only really activated in times of war. Could be a complete coincidence but cool nonetheless
*casus belli, but great comment. :3
It is cool, whether coincidence or not.
I'm choosing to believe they are the same people just because of this comment
but casus belli means cause of war, not time of war, is there a schizo theory for this too?
brother how fucking high are you ?
@@DarkGnome-gf1zz that would be genius
I'm honestly a bit surprised that you'd watch that cutscene over and over but then not even mention how the last monster of the drug trip is literally Adler.
Which monster the executive director?
What monster?
@@slavic_slav1320 the deciple at the end of emergance
@@Theenderslayer69ttv i never noticed that. how was it adler
@@UniqueUsername1Look at his head. He's wearing sunglasses.
PLOT TWIST:
Case is still alive but he has lost his memory so he decided to become an obese twitch streamer known as Caseoh
lol
Oh 😮
what is that profile picture يسطا
How Caseoh would be over 80 years old
Caseoh fans trying to be funny:
2020s: Bell is Stone
2024: Case is Bell😂
Who is also stone
Who's Stone tho?
@@nguyenhaiong7209multiplayer character in cold war, who wasn't plot relevant in the slightest
@@jakejohnson718 He shares the same model as (Male) Bell.
This is getting tiring tbh
I will note that case has visions of "frank woods (as a mob) chasing him" and one of the bosses "the director" looks like adler.
Which one? All the directors of that emergence mission look like zombies
@@andrewnguyen2234 the red mannequin, before he turns into the warden
During emergence a lot of the zombies will flicker between zombies and one of the story characters, so not much special there. The final boss is Adler though
A small note, take this with a grain of salt: during Bell's MK-Ultra there is a rathole you can go into and encounter Zombies, Case when exposed to the cradle sees not just zombies but Mimic, Manglers, Abomination, and Deciples which I found weird like: How the bloody h*** does Case know what these things are and Vice versa with Bell since zombies weren't a popular thing especially with glowing eyes.
Follow me for a second: Campaign and Zombies are canon to one another, right? On the map Firebase Z, there is a conversation that Aetherium can affect one's mind (followed by side effects). Now I'm just shooting in the dark here what if MK-Ultra had some form of aetherium in it, So when in this theory Bell/Case was exposed to the Cradle which had a more potent Aetherium in it's mixture. From Bell's MK-Ultra brainwashing would give him a resistance to the negative effects from Cradle, which would explain how he was the ONLY successful trial. Think of it like that one guy in real life who exposed himself to snake venom and built up a resistance to it, but in this case Aetherium for Bell/Case.
I could be looking into this the wrong way but it's just my two minute paragraph.
No
Hell yeah
Campaign and zombies are most certainly not canon in the slightest
Actually the ending of Black ops 4 zombies solidified all call of duty games from that point on starting only with the Black ops timeline in the modern warfare timeline the infinite warfare all those are in the same universe just a different time points and zombies lore Is also 100% canon that's why CPT price was in black ops cold war well CPT price father also another thing to add to this to events of the modern warfare stories were meant to be like the old ones on purpose and ig soap is uncle Ben bc he will always die @@meatbeatmania
@johnrigdon9767 there's not a single thing that has said the zombies is canon to the campaign just because it uses characters from the single player doesnt make it canon i mean hell if it was they'd sure as shit be bringing it up at least once during the story kinda hard not to talk about seeing the undead and horrors beyond man's comprehension
The ‘Neurological effect’ theory is a little bit taken out of context and not established . If you finished the whole game, you will find that the neurological effect is actually appeared when Case is going to do something ‘brutal’. For example, it happens when he is going to kill Harrow, Gusev or the guard who tried to stab him in the mission ‘High Roller‘.. .When Case heard ‘Pantheon’ or ‘Cardle’ , he got the effect because Case was a tester of the Cardle project and he knew Pantheon. So it is just some kind of ‘Memory comes back’ but not becuase the order of Alder.
And Case was brainwashed to not speak about what Pantheon did to him and how he was a subject of the experiments
In CW after Adler says “sims and I always wanted you to be cia, didn’t take to much convincing” he explains how they used bell’s cryptography skills to access information, and in BO6 you are doing cryptography puzzles to access terminals
One thing is for sure, they're both dangerous.
Very much so!
More than Steven Seagal
I feel like the fact that the final mission in cold war takes place on march 15th aka the ides of march has some significance, because bell was betrayed by adler like how caesar was betrayed by the senate
Great catch I never put that together
2:56 Case gets the same effect when killing Harrow. It isn't because of Adler, it's because the Cradle makes him violent and unstable.
Yeah the Cradle act like the number with Mason. Reznov program Mason to kill Steiner, Dragovich and Kravchenko. But in BO2, Kravchenko isn't death and Mason need to control himself to not kill him. Case got something similar. Harrow and the doctor works on the Cradle, so Case kill them for not let some people feel the same effect than him
Honestly, my main issue with this theory is that it requires a lot of the returning characters from cold war to either be willing to play along with Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell or somehow not recognize him when they served with him as Bell. The most agregious one to me being Park, who's only alive because Bell saved her over Lazar when they were in Cuba.
It's not impossible or anything, but it feels wrong that even she'd turn a blind eye to Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell when he was the one who saved her life.
Case wore a mask and goggles the entire team he was with park but I agree it is a hole in the theory
@@IceBurgZthe biggest issue here is the casino mission. Literally everyone would’ve seen Case’s face.
@@GrainOnTheGowasnt case doing his own “stealth” mission during that tho?
@@chuckyzrevenge he gets seen by all members of the mission... literally all of them see Case.
@@GrainOnTheGo with a mask on tho…right?
What about Woods and Park? They both seemed more or less friendly, like Case was an acquaintance and a fondly respected colleague. There’s no weird dynamic or treatment, they definitely treated Bell way differently.
True, although CW is directly after his brainwashing whereas BO6 is 10 years down the line and after Bell had saved the world by telling them about the location of Perseus’ nuclear launch site. Maybe they’ve grown to trust him by this point
That would make sense as if they saw him prove useful and loyal to them, they would be far more comfortable.
Yeah Woods, Park, and Sims would have said something. I mean they worked with him, Woods talks to him like he doesn't really know Mason; Park or Sims didn't greet him like they haven't seen him like they did Adler either. Also I feel like Case is closer to Marshall and Sav's ages too.
but then again cases face is always covered theres no actual way to see it just like cold war @DarkhalfBreed
This makes a lot of sense to me just based on the fact that, throughout the campaign, Adler never really questions Case’s origin or backstory. It’s entirely possible that he always knew about the Cradle testing on Case due to him working at ATA, but Adler would still doubt his allegiances and morals, unless he had witnessed Case’s reasoning first-hand despite brainwashing (end of Cold War). Because we all know that Adler is living paranoia.
Might be the same case with Woods, because from what I remember, Woods wasn’t aware of Bell’s origin until the final mission, but he’d have to be of Case’s. I believe at the very least, Marshall, Harrow and Livingston would all know, which is why Case isn’t in the debriefing cutscenes for the first mission or really any others.
My thoughts exactly
I just realized that, while the dialogue options between Case and Adler are few, there doesn’t seem to be anything repeating conversations between Bell and Adler from Cold War (asking about his background, the scar, etc). There are two issues with using this as evidence though. One that stuck out a little was the option about Woods taking a leap of faith with Adler, but that’s likely in reference of Adler being marked as the mole for Menendez, not Case being wary of Adler. When discussing Pantheon, Adler brings up Hudson and said he didn’t know if Case had worked with Hudson. While I don’t think Bell operated in the field with Hudson, probably due to him not trusting Bell, Bell would have still known Hudson, so this is strange phrasing if Case is Bell.
He didn’t know about the cradle and the only reason he trusts case is because he along with sev and troy broke him out of the cia black site
Also one pattern I see with cod bo games protogainist names are in alphabetical letters like BO1-A for Alex BO CW-B for Bell ,BO6-C for Case,BO2-D for David
Very interesting! I didn’t catch that
Wow I’ve never looked at it that way
This is cute but falls apart because of Bo3. John Taylor dkesnt quite work but it is fun.
@@GoPackGo1733I thought we were just a nameless dude in BO3, cuz we can customize him
@@kayagorzan The canon of the bo3 timeline is that the person we play as (player) is only actually in the first 2 missions as they die from injuries. The rest of the story is reliving the memories of John Taylor. With talor being us (player) in the story and taylor being Stone who is never seen in game but the scrolling messages at the start of every mission tell us this info. So the player DOES exist, although we only play as them for a short period of time. Basically its all a dream recounting taylors irl memories.
I’ve seen so much people trying to say it’s mason but they seem to either forget or don’t even know that mason died like 8-9 years after bell was shot by Adler and case popped up and was tested on that same year bell was shot so the timeline doesn’t add up for mason.
Yea and mason was accounted for when case was being experimented on like we have files stating he was on xyz missions
@@IceBurgZ guess the only thing that fights this theory is the fact that no one reacts to case as they know him so maybe dlc or next game will tell us what happened or new information.
Mason is alive in BO2, I think they have been making this game take place before that story line
Also if it was Mason, how the hell does Woofs not see its Mason?
@@offensivepepe231they haven't said anything conclusive about whether Mason is "dead" or dead. The most they said is that he is "assumed dead" in BO6 which could go either way.
I was waiting for a theory like this. It felt like they were setting up something like this but didn't have time to flesh the story out.
I found it so weird how we were just introduced to new characters like Cass and other main characters in BO6 with no backstory, and I was waiting for them to reveal Marshall and compsny wasn't real and that everything was in Case's head or something. But the story never went there or did anything with Case's backstory as a test subject until the last moment of the game which was a bit disapointing.
We didn't even get an "evil" ending like with BOCW (I was thinking the entire time that the CIA are not the good guys and was waiting for the option to join Pantheon lol)
same lol. I joined hands with the bad guys in cold war and I wouldve liked to join pantheon here. Kind of a bummer, tbh
I think Case’s story isn’t over yet. I’ve heard a few rumors that the next COD will be another Black Ops, so we might see more of Case.
Maybe. Case was exposed to the Cradle at the end a lot more than the diluted, early iteration that he had first taken. This “final” strain made people way more aggressive, hence why the only option in the end was to kill Harrow (as far as I know). We also don’t see Case in the last part of the campaign, and he was literally locked in a crashed helicopter that was burning and slowly filling with water. Basically, he’s dead, but the team we see in BO6 will probably return once or twice.
I've always thought the gun Adler shoots Bell with looks like the tranq gun used in "Another Brick in the Wall". No one ever brings that up but I've had this opinion since CW came out.
It’s not it’s his silenced 1911 if you go onto his CW operator you can see it’s animated on his kit which is also the same outfit from the end of the game
Correction it’s not silenced but it’s a 1911 all the same side note rewatching the scene he motions to pull it from his holster but if you look under the flap and sticking out the back you can see the grip and top of the slide of another 1911 still in holster (it’s a animating error not a two guns theory to be clear)
What???? Literally just schizo
Now that you mention it it dose!
This would definitely make our connection to bell a whole lot more interesting and deep. When I got a feeling that a bell reveal would happen I actually felt joy. I waited for any mention of bell from anyone in the game, especially Adler but nothing. I hope, this theory holds water cause being a consistent character in Cod would be dope, maybe even eventually flesh him out as an actual protagonist in future games. One can only hope
People ask why Woods and Park wouldnt recoginize Case? After Adler "shoots" him and he disappears, plastic surgery and new names are possible.
im so confused as to why people would think they would just keep a known former soviet soldier who remembers his memories (and potentially acts on them), especially adler. The campaign says “Case volunteered for the trials”, Case has been a CIA assassin for years, and hes had the same callsign since he first started. Doesnt anyone think its simpler to recruit a civilian and MK ultra them instead of shooting a russian soldier and keeping them AGAIN. Adler wouldve realized their conditioning was broken and then again, itd be a risk to brainwash them AGAIN knowing they already remembered what was done, and the Perseus thing was done, bell was a loose end.
Training a soldier for special forces isn't easily replaceable for tier 1 assets, even irl. They are not easily replaced so in game logic for what bell and case is capable of, that's not easy to make someone else trained up to that extent especially with all his background on kgb training.
The reason Case loses control on the guy next to the plane engine is because the cradle is designed to make people violent and murderous. Case was a special case (pun intended) in that the cradle had a different effect on him. It is said multiple times the reason he can fight the way he does is solely because of the cradle and assassination training he received with the cradle exposure. However he was exposed to the cradle again when he reentered the facility. This additional uncontrolled dose is what led to his loss of control over himself when presented an opportunity for violence. This is also when he began hearing another voice in his head. Further showing how much that does affected him. You see this again on the final mission when he received another dose and attacked Harrow like a rabid animal.
Something that suppors your theory though is the fact that you can read text in the bunker that is "translated from Russian". Which means Case somehow knows russian. What adds to this is that none of the other characters ever acknowledge this trait probably because that trait is a link to his first personality of a russian.
Nice find 🔥
i may be wrong here but i thought Adler says "We've got a job to do" but Case didn't react at all. side note now i have to play the story again and see
Doesn’t sound like a disappointing outcome to have to play cod more lol
I think Bell and Case are brothers because when you play Hunting Season mission in Bo6 and open the 4 pin lock box, each of the box has a audio log and they talk about two brothers being experimented
Interesting theory but didn’t one of the brother kill the other
@@NicholasOlander-t4cAfter he killed his brother he killed himself if u listen to all of them
@@Johnny_Silverhand0 interesting now I’m thinking who the hell was the two brothers and what was the point of BO6 putting those audio log in the game
I'm pretty sure that Bell was Russian and Case is American.
@@Umbrex349and it’s also a storyline full of Lise and misdirection
The problem with that theory is that neither Woods nor Park nor Sims do not recognise case as bell. And they know him as they worked with him in cold war
But Sims is skeptical of him though
@misfit7024 he is also skeptical on Adler
They, never see his face. Hell we don't even see the Cases face. I think he wears some sort of mask the entire time.
@@darkleonidas395 that's a long shot. Do you believe that someone who spends private time with someone will never remove a mask? Also we dont se case at all. Even in cutscenes he is not visible. Also on the last mission if you use rcxd you won't see case
@@xXxHnTxXx9bs lol he's like ghost nothing more
provide actual debunj
Also, what is weird (probably a coincidence) that almost every time Case gets into the serious mission, he prefers Russian weaponry. Example: AS VAL in bunker sequence in America, AK/SVD combo in Raid mission, e.t.c.
Maybe he is more familiar with it, since he was a soviet agent(muscle memory and all that)?
I interpreted the AS VAL in Bunker as making it look like the Russians raided it
I think it was just so the player would use all the guns
I doubt that the wepons hold much significance. Janes parents both had Makarov pistols and I’d doubt CIA agents have any Russian oriented or favored armaments.
@@gamerguy6990is it not implied that they were Russian double agents?
😂😂😂 nuh uh
Same effect also occurs near the end of the final mission, after Marshall tells Case to go capture Harrow.
Maybe they planned this years ago and that s why the protagonist isn't voiced in both CW and BO6
This is why black ops will always have the best story telling
In the emergence mission in bo6, case is called case one by the scientist, don't forget case was one of the people that were meant to be the super soldier. in the story you can hear that they said they treated case with the cradle for him to be the super soldier, he also gets the dizzy effect whatever it is when he hears pantheon and cradle since the scientist said case can't ever talk of the pantheon or cradle
This really makes you wonder who is the real villain of the game. Is it the Pantheon, or is it Russel Adler?
5:30 Steve Rogers.
Funny
i don't think they are the same person, there's a lot of evidence pointing to them not being the same, i think the reason case is so eager to kill the guy after Adler told him to is because the cradle just makes people violent but case can somewhat control it so at that time hes just being influenced by the cradle to kill and not because Adler told him to, i do however agree that bell is not dead and he most likely regained his memories and is now being held in a prison somewhere, im pretty sure there is dialogue somewhere in the campain where they say case has told people to just call him case, i think its because deep down he knows william is not his real name because they always called him case one in the labs, after they altered his memory to not remember the experiences and his past his subconscious prefers they call him case since its a more familiar sounding name to him.
So nice to see lady Park again.
This theory has the same major plot hole it has in InkSlasher's video: There are at least 3 characters in the BO6 story who knew Bell in CW, so they know what he looks like, he would have needed extensive plastic surgery for this theory to work.
Park doesn’t even see Case, as seen by the black mask he wears.
So that’s 1. But the other two, I don’t know.
@SainiRohan I seriously doubt he wears a mask at the hideout with Woods.
@@VanaheimRangeryeah I don’t think so either. I was more so talking about Park.
Sims did seem to be upset though, about Adler having his own way of doing things, and giving Case a warning.
Other than the face, Park would have heard his voice when he calls for air strikes and talks
@@williamcranmore4069 I know I’m reaching but bell was one operative, there for like 5 months, in 1981.
Assuming she has done multiple operations since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if she forgot, or if she was told he was closed off by Adler.
I feel like Woods would definitely know if Case is Bell considering Case does in fact interact with the characters via dialogue options, so idk I doubt it’s him at all. Woods would RAISE HELL about that
Would he though? Considering it could trigger a relapse of a the original bell or would he be quiet and not mention it because of the risk
Raven already stated that bell was killed by Adler plus Bell is a custom character who never mattered where Case is a silent main character
They also said mason died and it’s evident he didnt
If you're mentioning the BO6 ending, that would be Case the crimson operator. @@IceBurgZ
@bonelessduck8986 no I mean literally the footage they show repeatedly for masons death is the shot in the leg footage not the hole in the head footage
@@IceBurgZthey did use the footage of Mason being shot in the leg but they already did state Mason being shot in the head was the cannon ending I don't think they ment to use that footage to be honest and bell is definitely dead he/she was a Soviet agent that worked for perseus and Adler just needed to know where perseus was after that bell was of no use i thought the same thing I thought bell might have been case but their not sadly
Yes but what if they were lying this game has been in the works since Cold War came out and if they knew what the story would be. Plus if you look at the scene where Adler “kills” Bell he doesn’t even shoot him in the head the gun is pointed more down.
I like your theory but its weird that Adler,Sims and Park dont acknowldge case as bell they fought together against Perseus and then ten years later after adler shot bell and let him be brainwashed again and then work with him again without being sus and acting like he is a different person is weird to me. I hope that we get anwsers in the seasonal content just like in cold war
Very true I’m hoping we get more info
Probably because sims park and Adler were in on it all and are aware of what happened??
They never see cases face
And he’s silent so
Maybe they didn’t notice because of that
@silverback1953 thats what i thought he has a mask on in haunting season and probably a mask and hoodie in high roller but he probably has no mask in the rook and at the gala mission because in the rook there are only his friends and at the gala they wouldnt let him have a mask at the gala maybe he had one when he Changes clothes but adler was at the rook after the mission its weird
You're forgetting about Woods which makes this whole thing unravel. I doubt that he'd just shrug it off, especially after Panama. Case also got a radio to call in airstrikes meaning Park would've heard him speak.
See, THIS is how you set up a good character mystery.
Give us a base line, add something unique but abnormal, add some obscure dialogue/lore, put in a couple of implications, and BAM!! A character that could have theory after theory as to who they are and what actually happened to them.
idk it looks like adler shoot bells head and just the idea of them brainwashing someone brain twice and still being able to function even for cod doesnt seem to likely
I mean Adler was debrainwashed using no ultra after being brainwashed with the numbers so it’s possible
That and when Adler shoots him, the angle looks like he shoots bell in the head before bell can aim on him, I doubt he’ll would survive 2 headshots and get brainwashed all over again, that’s a lot of gray matter and memory loss to be combat effective
@@IceBurgZ alder killed bell before the brain wash bell knew too much and could be a threat so is why alder killed him
then again, the Cradle makes him a supersoldier, so maybe it can mend his brain a bit
I dont know much about COD but.. wait until the multiplayer trailers go out.
The game was already out when this video released
Something tells me that Jane is still alive. We never see her die the screen just goes dark, and we're not entirely sure that she's confirmed dead, they can ve keeping her alive because, as case was beating her up, she's begging him to stop that the good side of her has prevailed over her evil traumatic side. I feel as if Jane will be getting the Bell treatment to keep her in line permanently and she'll be helping Marshall's team to takedown the new pantheon head.
They are under water she ain’t making it out of that alive also the fact she has a chemical weapon jammed into her head
But why would adler try to brainwash bell again because before you got shot as bell in cold war he literally said that you have to make another sacrifice and considering the fact that bell was able to get their memorys back from being a Russian soldier I don't think adler wouldn't want that same mistake happen again
Case is Liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid.
Yeah i think so as well especially given the fact that they point point Adler worked at the lab but never elaborated past that. Feels like there was a lot they intentionally left out and that continues with the ending as well
I noticed that the cliffside where Adler shoots Bell in CW looks suspiciously similar to the cliffside outcrop behind the safehouse in BO6. Its not quite identical, because there's no sign of the mansion in the CW scene, but I think it was intentional and just a slight retcon since they probably didnt plan it ahead
At the base of operations in BO6 with the team I found what appeared to be the exact same cliff side at the end of Cold War
Case having a neurological effect at 2:37 isn't because of Adler... Case's neurological effects often triggers when anything or anyone related to the cradle is said or present. In which case, the scientist Gusev at 2:37 is very much related to the cradle.
So yeah... Adler really isn't the trigger.
Then why didn’t it activate earlier?
@@IceBurgZ Case has control over his aggression... because the cradle isn't brainwashing it's aggression triggering...
Other "cases" is when with Case is with Harrows...
Because Case has a good control over his aggression... since the cradle is aggression inducing not brainwashing... and it has been said that Case is a special case with the cradle. Take Case and Harrow for example, Harrow is another person that revolves around the cradle.
if there are no cliffs on the island, the final scene might be psychological fight taking place in Bell's brain: the fight between his conscious personality and that of Adler's brainwashing implant. It's what happens to Tyler Durden in Fight Club.
Just sub and I’m loving it keep them coming your doing an amazing job also COOL name
I'm not kidding I got this as a short I watched the whole thing all 8 minutes
Odd but thank you
@IceBurgZ it was very good
I wholeheartedly believe bell is case it just makes sense you know timeline wise and story wise i do hope this theory actually turns out to be true i really want bell to be alive and case too hopefully he didnt die in the end
Also love this video and lastly can I ask you something if you don't mind that is what is going to be the topic for your next video?
I like this. Maybe future seasons will shed light on this theory.
I thought during the campaign that Adler would slip the name Bell for once when he was talking to you the player😂
Altho this was my though before I watch this video😊
yk what i like this theory so im going with this is canon now 😭😭
If bell is case. Adler would be dead. CW ending had a gunshot at the end. So if bell is case Adler should be dead. I doubt they would try to shoot each other then when they miss call it a day
Unless as I explained in the video it was a implanted memory, considering there are no Cliffsides in solovetsky (where the last mission takes place) where was bell shot?
Saying Case is Bell is similar to the latin term, 'Casus Belli' which means, 'The Casualty of War.'
Have you ever thought about having your own style for thumbnails rather than just copying Inkslasher?
Everybody really want deep down to see Bell come back and alive. I'm not sure if Adler point blank shot actually killed him since Bell has good reflexion
So i have a theory that the womans voice in Cases head IS Bell and its more like because of the experimentation Case "inherited" Bell or perhaps Bell is "Born again" by "The cradle" having Case and Bell merge minds essentially. Thats why alot of the monster's case sees bear a resemblance to Adler and why theres still a hint of brain washing from Adler bleeding over into Case
The woman voice is cases head was Jane. No?
At the end don’t the voices stop and you hear harrow saying: “I understand now, you don’t have to do this case”
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@ I watched it multiple times, at first the voice and her speak at the same time, after that the voice stops talking but she continues, without her mouth actually moving.
In addition the voice sounds similar to the evil Harrow in the weird flashback mission
I think it is as well but if it isn't then stone has to be bell now the reason I specifically think it is him is mainly because the way that he's portrayed is so similar to Bell I'm just everything about him gives me bell feels he even looks a lot like him in that one mission where you you know get to play in third person because when you look at him in the car in the mission in cold war they look very similar
I thought Case is bell as well. Because lets face it Adler is the only one that dumb with callsign naming.
Its possible adler shooting bell is a hallucination of some sort because case was seeing zombies and shit
I love this theory
Case one's situation is very diffrent from bells it seems clear that Case has extreme rage issues we see others infected with cradle beating each other to death within seconds of infection, its likely that Case has lesser symptoms but they are still present, he attempts to kill Harrow at the games climax and the "you can dispose of him now " is basically Adler letting the murder beast off the hook. They took Case and ran him through the same program they used on Harrow at the end of the game separating the part of case that is a loyal agent of the US and pushing it to the forefront pushing that beast down deep into his mind but its still there driving you to kill. My theory is that there are 3 cases inside your head, the rage monster that doesn't speak but blurs your vision and forces you to violence another voice which is your logical self that still hates cradle the US and pantheon for what they did to you and for just throwing you away, also stopping you from telling woods about Pantheon and the cradle right after Emergence because she knows that may empower the rage or worse pull them all together again, and then there's the loyal solider who willingly signed on to the experiment to save his country to be a hero. Adler absolutely knows this happened to Case and Bell may still be alive but I'm sure if Case was bell then Adler would have put another bullet into him on the spot, he is well aware bell is a ticking timebomb leading to a super terrorist that hates the US.
Welcome to the badass mute characters, Case
Omg this would make sense cause in Cold War while you’re going thru one of those weird memories things that addler triggers there is entrance to a cave or something and addler tries to steer you away from it and if you go in you end up with just a pistol with a handful of rounds and zombies attack you until you die and reset you back to where you’re supposed to go I feel like this absolutely connects the story lines of bell and case as well since he was seeing zombies hallucinations I was wondering why they had that in there it didn’t make sense until now
With how fast case can move even compared to multiplayer. He’s clearly a super soldier and not to mention regenerating health and armor from takedown. Also pretty sure he killed Jane Harrow’s parents. I think Adler shot him to erase his memories and he regenerated it. Weird but makes sense
I don’t think Case would be military age when Jane’s parents were killed. Him and Jane would be closer in age
I support the theory that Case is Bell from Cold War. After Adler shoots Bell, he doesn't kill him but then sends him to be used for The Cradle project. Bell became Case One, the first test subject of The Cradle and survived the process and became the first "super soldier". Jane must've been there as well, took pity and wanted to "help" Bell. But then eventually, Bell loses it and goes berzerk but that might be due to that fact Bell might've had started seeing Adler OR dreamt of Adler killing him and that made Bell go berzerk and destroy the facility. Livingstone learned what happened and shut the program down, the workers and the patients. But because the docs and Pantheon saw the potential in Bell, they still "helped" him and wiped his memory clean of everything that happened: working with Perseus, used by Adler and destroying the facility. So by maybe using something similar to MK-Ultra, they wiped Bells memory clean and gave him a new one and new identity, Case and Case would be Pantheons first "sleeper agent" and Bell was giving to the Black Ops division and worked under Marshal and Harrow. When Case returned to the facility in Emergence, Case was exposed to The Cradle and during all that time, Bell came back and the Jane that "helped" him was back. After finding Marshal and Sevati, Case came back and had no memory of what happened but the voice was still there.
Or is it diddy
Not enough baby oil unfortunately
One thing I am interested is the voice Case hears, specifically the female voice. Is she a symptom of the Cradle or something they brainwashed him with to control him. Or was it a real person at the place that he had a real connection too.
If bell was case that would be reaching, Adler knows what case looks like, and in that were true then he’d recognize him, he also seems fond of case compared to be because he doesn’t fully trust bell in Cold War
True but why would Adler openly admit he knows case is bell if it may trigger a flashback or a break in the mind control
@ I suppose, but the story with case is that he willingly tested for the brainwashing to become a super soldier for pantheon, why would Adler be in on it because he despises pantheon and wants to get rid of them? Case is basically an unknowing sleeper agent who gives them intel on what they’re doing to pantheon, it would make 0 sense for Adler to be involved with pantheon
Nah it's not reaching case being bell does make sense when you truly think about it and also adler was like that with bell as well and not just Adler others seemed fond of bell too and look what happened all of it ended up being fake so yea how do we know that all of the affection for case is not fake either? Cuz it very well may be
@ no one was fond of bell, everyone was really suspicious and never really trusted them when going through dialogue options, the team with case actually seem to like case as a person, plus marshal really seems to trust him since they’ve had years of combat experience together so case was an early implant, it just canonically wouldn’t make sense with the time frame they’ve given
@@1990hondacivic umm I never said that they were fond of bell I said that it 'seemed' that they were fond of bell I also said that it turned out to be fake did you like not read my comment at all? I know that they were obviously acting which is why I said this before too that maybe the affection towards case is also not real if case is bell maybe they are acting with case too maybe troy didn't actually know case from before maybe troy is lying and pretending just like everyone else the thing is we don't really know if there affection this time is also real or not it does seem more genuine tho this time around just like you said it yourself but we still can't rule out the possiblity that it's all not a ruse and with Troy looking like he really trusts case maybe because that's just how troy wants it to look like or could be his personality too an easy going guy idk..man cold war really did give me trust issues I can't even trust anybodys words apart from woods🤷🤷🤷anyways I would still believe my theory of bell being case just because it makes the most sense to me obviously that doesn't mean it would make sense to everyone and I get that bell could very well not be case and I could be setting myself up for major disappointed but even so i will stick with this theory to the end.. we will know the truth eventually so let's wait and see
There's a lot of implication that Bell is in fact Case, but I think that's intentional. Nothing is confirmed, which leads to conjecture. One of the more subtle ones to it and one I like is the comparison's between himself and Caesar. "Casus Belli" and Case Bell. The fact Bell "allegedly" died on the same day as Caesar, which is March 15th. Just a couple of examples. Also this storyline is taking place in Dimension 2210 as a continuation of Cold War. For those that don't know, that's the 3rd zombies universe I'm pretty sure. The one that houses the Dark Aether Saga, Warzone (And by extension the Modern Warfare reboots) as well as Vanguard.
This means that by the time of the campaign, Edward Richtofen would have became the director of Requiem and moved on to Project Janus. Also given the timeline, there's a chance Requiem "could" have picked up where ATA left off. One ended in 1981 and the other was founded in 1983. But that's a big "IF" the whole Bell/Case theory has anything to do with the Zombies storyline. Could bring up more questions about what "The Cradle" actually is. It'd also make you wonder back to "Scenario 17" (The zombies easter egg back in Vietnam) and how it's linked to things.
As a side note, shouldn't Park, Sims and Woods be able to recognize or realize Case as Bell. And if so, wouldn't they object to this treatment of someone who proved themselves plus sacrificed it all and had their backs even after finding out the truth. Park Especially in certain choices in Cold War (MI6 background).
A bit of plastic surgery and supersoldier drugs.. hell, regular drugs alone could do a number on one’s appearance.
@UP51L I was thinking that, but it seems too convenient. Plus, the voice and certain ticks should tip them off like British Accent, Cryptography, Etc.
Figured few things would still remain from Cold War to make them suspicious
@ we don’t really know any of Bell or Cases mannerisms nor how much is and isn’t lined in black ink. From the video, it seems Adler is essentially their case carrier. If he knows how to brainwash effectively, surely he can make a Brazilian out of a Norwegian.
another detail that is really interesting is that if you don’t listen to adler in cold war interrogation and you go into the bunker a zombie will attack and kill bell. case sees the EXACT same zombies in black ops 6…
Interesting!
Actually I thought this too it Adler knew his brainwashing isn’t perfect so he takes him to the lab he worked at and what do you know that lab just so happened to have the cradle
hey Icebergz! and i honestly full agree! I think Case is Bell like why would, volunteer yourself for an experiment just like that, it doesn't make sense... unless Case is Bell
Heres my theory: in 1981 bell is betrayed and captured, being experimented on in not just mk-ultra but also on the cradle, later bell is infected again and gets shot, he is re mind controlled as not just case, but he's also an undercover agent as harry stone to spy on the warsaw pact/crimson one, and i think he didnt die in the heljcopter crash at the end of BO6, i think that he survived and escaped the helicopter and swam to the surface to continue his uncercover job as stone. I get that it doesnt make sense but hey, its a good theory atleast.
Bell is not stone. Stone is British and has a whole other set of lore. They just shared models for that game to save money.
@@rio_underscore i said it was a theory, and bell never talks, yes he was a soviet soldier, but that doesnt mean hes of russian descent, but thats your opinion. i think he is stone though.
They knew exactly what they were doing with that casting choice.
Thats not the case
I’m glad you commented this just in case
The case must continue
As someone who mostly forgot about the Champaign for cold war, I already assumed I was playing the same person from the last game
can’t wait for this theory to go absolutely nowhere considering bell is dead 🙏
But is he?
“Do not trust Adler, Adler is lying to you”
I knew something was up with case
oh most definetly!
The effect is seen times before. For example, when you break free of your handcuffs and execute the quick time event, the effect shows up.
It's hard to say why exactly it shows up, it could be a reaction to extreme violence (throwing a man into a bloody jet engine) but in that case the kill from the QTE is really tame..? Doesn't show up during the eye poke, doesn't show up during executions..
Regardless, while it does show up during the order from Adler, I don't think it was necessarily something related to Adler
It might've been related to who he was holding, a man that he knows worked on The Cradle, which he knows is the thing that made him, but also failed him, and is now being used as a weapon in an attempt to make up for it's failure.
Wait so bell is cannonly a male?!
If my theory is correct yes
@@IceBurgZidk though. I think that bell was just killed off because 3arch didnt want a custom character have plot relavence. Since you cant confirm anything about them sex/race etc. Meanwhile case is confirmed Male/Caucasian. Fun theory but even if it turns out true it doesnt really change much.❤
Imagine none of these campaigns ever happened in the Black Ops universe Alex Mason is just sitting in a padded cell spacing out.
That’s actually 90% similar to a scene from bo4
@ I need to see that!
@ Mason is just hallucinating on a wheelchair.
It's just Alex Mason sleeping in that bar at the start of BO1
Maybe that's why Adler only shoots the unarmed person late in the BO6 campaign if Case isn't looking, to avoid triggering Case to remember the implanted memory of Adler shooting Bell
"Case is Bell" no matter the fact that Bell was a member of pegasus and Case was literally created by the C.I.A with the gas as a super soldier...
It's literally the complete opposite of Bell, but yeah, COD fans are unable to put one and one together...
Thanks, I can tell you didn’t watch the video! But thank you for the comment nonetheless
I don’t know if Woods would be okay with that. There’s no proof that he and Mason knew about the brainwashing that Bell went through in Cold War and I certainly don’t think Woods would be okay with it after what Mason went through with his own brainwashing. Another wrench in the theory is that Bell was a customizable character. They could be a man woman or nonbinary. While they could canonize them like they did with Park’s survival and the ending, I personally doubt it and would be dissatisfied.
Adler incapacitating Bell before putting him under again like "this is gonna be so fucking funny"
The only thing i think might be slightly different is the that Bell never got shot and that scene was made up, i think that may have actually happened but yeah i think either way they got him back to the facility and he became Case, the coincidence in it all is really too much.