One thing I've noticed about the campaign is that Adler and Marshall say "it's up to you" multiple times. Maybe this is the equivalent of "We've got a job to do"
That's because he went thru some scary ish in the emergence mission. Anyone would be yelling in their sleep after seeing Zombies, Manglers, Monsters, and creeping mannequins in hallucinations lol
Even Inkslasher elaborated on this. After shooting Bell to register him “dead”, Adler brought him to the Advanced Technologies and Applications. From there, scientists (including Adler himself) introduced The Cradle to Bell. Bell becomes unstable, but eventually pacified. ATA and Adler give him a new identity… again. William “Case One” Colderon. It could also be implied that Sims and Park also took part in this too, hence why they also pretend they don’t know him.
case was involved between 80-81 bell was with adler in 81 and bell was working with the Russians the whole time so say if case was bell wouldnt make sense plus wouldnt everyone knows case is bell? once he talks ppl would know and his body mass like bell could be 6foot 180 and case could be 6'2 215 i think there 2 different ppl plus case real name is William Calderón which calderion is spanish and sefardi origin bell was Russian
0:02 @@TOXICYT2016first of even if sims or park or troy knew why would they jeopardize everything by giving hints and why would they even give hints they would obviously pretend to the end that they don't know just like how they did with bell everybody apart from mason woods and lazar knew that bell was part of Perseus but they pretended not to know so why wouldn't they do the same with case if case is bell secondly William is obviously not his real name do you think it would make sense for the scientists to use his real name just so that later by searching about case real name not only the scientists but even case would have been tracked down by cia hence ruining there experiments obviously cases name William is fake just like bell was a fake name there could also be a possiblity that if case really was bell then Adler would have obviously given him this name Thirdly they might know cases body mass but how would they know bells body mass they didn't spend too much time with bell so your theory doesn't make sense and even if they did knew bells body mass alongside cases that still doesn't change anything someone's body mass alone cannot determine who he is there are literally billion ppl in this world there also could be a possiblity that one could either have a similar body mass to another or not so like I said doesn't really prove anything
@kpopfan8109 ok, what ever u say, bud if u being real there not the same person and also if u google case on the cod wiki stats it's william "case" calderon but u never mentioned the last name the last name is Spanish origin bell was Russian right? Why would a Russian have a Spanish last name 🤔
Wouldn't be surprised if the ending of Bell being shot was just a hallucination of his mind trying to fight off Adler's control one last time before his mind got wiped, again.
I'm honestly a bit surprised that you'd watch that cutscene over and over but then not even mention how the last monster of the drug trip is literally Adler.
This is what I like about the Black Ops series. Nothing is as cut and dry as the MW series when it comes to telling a story. The game will not tell you outright what is true. It's even willing to lie to the player, 'The Truth Lies.'
A small note, take this with a grain of salt: during Bell's MK-Ultra there is a rathole you can go into and encounter Zombies, Case when exposed to the cradle sees not just zombies but Mimic, Manglers, Abomination, and Deciples which I found weird like: How the bloody h*** does Case know what these things are and Vice versa with Bell since zombies weren't a popular thing especially with glowing eyes. Follow me for a second: Campaign and Zombies are canon to one another, right? On the map Firebase Z, there is a conversation that Aetherium can affect one's mind (followed by side effects). Now I'm just shooting in the dark here what if MK-Ultra had some form of aetherium in it, So when in this theory Bell/Case was exposed to the Cradle which had a more potent Aetherium in it's mixture. From Bell's MK-Ultra brainwashing would give him a resistance to the negative effects from Cradle, which would explain how he was the ONLY successful trial. Think of it like that one guy in real life who exposed himself to snake venom and built up a resistance to it, but in this case Aetherium for Bell/Case. I could be looking into this the wrong way but it's just my two minute paragraph.
I was waiting for a theory like this. It felt like they were setting up something like this but didn't have time to flesh the story out. I found it so weird how we were just introduced to new characters like Cass and other main characters in BO6 with no backstory, and I was waiting for them to reveal Marshall and compsny wasn't real and that everything was in Case's head or something. But the story never went there or did anything with Case's backstory as a test subject until the last moment of the game which was a bit disapointing. We didn't even get an "evil" ending like with BOCW (I was thinking the entire time that the CIA are not the good guys and was waiting for the option to join Pantheon lol)
Maybe. Case was exposed to the Cradle at the end a lot more than the diluted, early iteration that he had first taken. This “final” strain made people way more aggressive, hence why the only option in the end was to kill Harrow (as far as I know). We also don’t see Case in the last part of the campaign, and he was literally locked in a crashed helicopter that was burning and slowly filling with water. Basically, he’s dead, but the team we see in BO6 will probably return once or twice.
I think Bell and Case are brothers because when you play Hunting Season mission in Bo6 and open the 4 pin lock box, each of the box has a audio log and they talk about two brothers being experimented
I've always thought the gun Adler shoots Bell with looks like the tranq gun used in "Another Brick in the Wall". No one ever brings that up but I've had this opinion since CW came out.
It’s not it’s his silenced 1911 if you go onto his CW operator you can see it’s animated on his kit which is also the same outfit from the end of the game
Correction it’s not silenced but it’s a 1911 all the same side note rewatching the scene he motions to pull it from his holster but if you look under the flap and sticking out the back you can see the grip and top of the slide of another 1911 still in holster (it’s a animating error not a two guns theory to be clear)
Also, what is weird (probably a coincidence) that almost every time Case gets into the serious mission, he prefers Russian weaponry. Example: AS VAL in bunker sequence in America, AK/SVD combo in Raid mission, e.t.c. Maybe he is more familiar with it, since he was a soviet agent(muscle memory and all that)?
I doubt that the wepons hold much significance. Janes parents both had Makarov pistols and I’d doubt CIA agents have any Russian oriented or favored armaments.
What about Woods and Park? They both seemed more or less friendly, like Case was an acquaintance and a fondly respected colleague. There’s no weird dynamic or treatment, they definitely treated Bell way differently.
Also one pattern I see with cod bo games protogainist names are in alphabetical letters like BO1-A for Alex BO CW-B for Bell ,BO6-C for Case,BO2-D for David
@@kayagorzan The canon of the bo3 timeline is that the person we play as (player) is only actually in the first 2 missions as they die from injuries. The rest of the story is reliving the memories of John Taylor. With talor being us (player) in the story and taylor being Stone who is never seen in game but the scrolling messages at the start of every mission tell us this info. So the player DOES exist, although we only play as them for a short period of time. Basically its all a dream recounting taylors irl memories.
@bonelessduck8986 no I mean literally the footage they show repeatedly for masons death is the shot in the leg footage not the hole in the head footage
@@IceBurgZthey did use the footage of Mason being shot in the leg but they already did state Mason being shot in the head was the cannon ending I don't think they ment to use that footage to be honest and bell is definitely dead he/she was a Soviet agent that worked for perseus and Adler just needed to know where perseus was after that bell was of no use i thought the same thing I thought bell might have been case but their not sadly
Yes but what if they were lying this game has been in the works since Cold War came out and if they knew what the story would be. Plus if you look at the scene where Adler “kills” Bell he doesn’t even shoot him in the head the gun is pointed more down.
Honestly, my main issue with this theory is that it requires a lot of the returning characters from cold war to either be willing to play along with Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell or somehow not recognize him when they served with him as Bell. The most agregious one to me being Park, who's only alive because Bell saved her over Lazar when they were in Cuba. It's not impossible or anything, but it feels wrong that even she'd turn a blind eye to Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell when he was the one who saved her life.
The problem with that theory is that neither Woods nor Park nor Sims do not recognise case as bell. And they know him as they worked with him in cold war
I’ve seen so much people trying to say it’s mason but they seem to either forget or don’t even know that mason died like 8-9 years after bell was shot by Adler and case popped up and was tested on that same year bell was shot so the timeline doesn’t add up for mason.
@@IceBurgZ guess the only thing that fights this theory is the fact that no one reacts to case as they know him so maybe dlc or next game will tell us what happened or new information.
This could be nothing but the two names are Case and Bell. Now when I read the title “Case is Bell”, I thought Cassius Belli, a Latin term meaning “time for war”. Both Case and Bell are only really activated in times of war. Could be a complete coincidence but cool nonetheless
idk it looks like adler shoot bells head and just the idea of them brainwashing someone brain twice and still being able to function even for cod doesnt seem to likely
That and when Adler shoots him, the angle looks like he shoots bell in the head before bell can aim on him, I doubt he’ll would survive 2 headshots and get brainwashed all over again, that’s a lot of gray matter and memory loss to be combat effective
I like your theory but its weird that Adler,Sims and Park dont acknowldge case as bell they fought together against Perseus and then ten years later after adler shot bell and let him be brainwashed again and then work with him again without being sus and acting like he is a different person is weird to me. I hope that we get anwsers in the seasonal content just like in cold war
@silverback1953 thats what i thought he has a mask on in haunting season and probably a mask and hoodie in high roller but he probably has no mask in the rook and at the gala mission because in the rook there are only his friends and at the gala they wouldnt let him have a mask at the gala maybe he had one when he Changes clothes but adler was at the rook after the mission its weird
You're forgetting about Woods which makes this whole thing unravel. I doubt that he'd just shrug it off, especially after Panama. Case also got a radio to call in airstrikes meaning Park would've heard him speak.
I noticed that the cliffside where Adler shoots Bell in CW looks suspiciously similar to the cliffside outcrop behind the safehouse in BO6. Its not quite identical, because there's no sign of the mansion in the CW scene, but I think it was intentional and just a slight retcon since they probably didnt plan it ahead
I feel like the fact that the final mission in cold war takes place on march 15th aka the ides of march has some significance, because bell was betrayed by adler like how caesar was betrayed by the senate
i may be wrong here but i thought Adler says "We've got a job to do" but Case didn't react at all. side note now i have to play the story again and see
I thought during the campaign that Adler would slip the name Bell for once when he was talking to you the player😂 Altho this was my though before I watch this video😊
i don't think they are the same person, there's a lot of evidence pointing to them not being the same, i think the reason case is so eager to kill the guy after Adler told him to is because the cradle just makes people violent but case can somewhat control it so at that time hes just being influenced by the cradle to kill and not because Adler told him to, i do however agree that bell is not dead and he most likely regained his memories and is now being held in a prison somewhere, im pretty sure there is dialogue somewhere in the campain where they say case has told people to just call him case, i think its because deep down he knows william is not his real name because they always called him case one in the labs, after they altered his memory to not remember the experiences and his past his subconscious prefers they call him case since its a more familiar sounding name to him.
This makes a lot of sense to me just based on the fact that, throughout the campaign, Adler never really questions Case’s origin or backstory. It’s entirely possible that he always knew about the Cradle testing on Case due to him working at ATA, but Adler would still doubt his allegiances and morals, unless he had witnessed Case’s reasoning first-hand despite brainwashing (end of Cold War). Because we all know that Adler is living paranoia. Might be the same case with Woods, because from what I remember, Woods wasn’t aware of Bell’s origin until the final mission, but he’d have to be of Case’s. I believe at the very least, Marshall, Harrow and Livingston would all know, which is why Case isn’t in the debriefing cutscenes for the first mission or really any others.
This theory has the same major plot hole it has in InkSlasher's video: There are at least 3 characters in the BO6 story who knew Bell in CW, so they know what he looks like, he would have needed extensive plastic surgery for this theory to work.
@@VanaheimRangeryeah I don’t think so either. I was more so talking about Park. Sims did seem to be upset though, about Adler having his own way of doing things, and giving Case a warning.
@@williamcranmore4069 I know I’m reaching but bell was one operative, there for like 5 months, in 1981. Assuming she has done multiple operations since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if she forgot, or if she was told he was closed off by Adler.
Something tells me that Jane is still alive. We never see her die the screen just goes dark, and we're not entirely sure that she's confirmed dead, they can ve keeping her alive because, as case was beating her up, she's begging him to stop that the good side of her has prevailed over her evil traumatic side. I feel as if Jane will be getting the Bell treatment to keep her in line permanently and she'll be helping Marshall's team to takedown the new pantheon head.
In the emergence mission in bo6, case is called case one by the scientist, don't forget case was one of the people that were meant to be the super soldier. in the story you can hear that they said they treated case with the cradle for him to be the super soldier, he also gets the dizzy effect whatever it is when he hears pantheon and cradle since the scientist said case can't ever talk of the pantheon or cradle
Ironically enough, adler has a line that debunks this and its not from campeign, its from zombies, if you play as adler on terminus and headshot a zombie, one of the lines he can say is "mind if i call you belle?" Confirming that he did in fact kill belle at the end of cold war, meaning belle and case cant be the same person
@@IceBurgZthe line specifically plays when you headshot them, which means it's likely referencing him shooting belle, not how belle was a sleeper agent
@cammurray255 yes his coincidental access to the covert facility in Kentucky where brainwashing was being tested 4 days after after shooting bell and the same month the facility submitted the info packet to the us government for further testing approval is not factual in anyway and completely a leap…
With how fast case can move even compared to multiplayer. He’s clearly a super soldier and not to mention regenerating health and armor from takedown. Also pretty sure he killed Jane Harrow’s parents. I think Adler shot him to erase his memories and he regenerated it. Weird but makes sense
I wholeheartedly believe bell is case it just makes sense you know timeline wise and story wise i do hope this theory actually turns out to be true i really want bell to be alive and case too hopefully he didnt die in the end Also love this video and lastly can I ask you something if you don't mind that is what is going to be the topic for your next video?
The effect is seen times before. For example, when you break free of your handcuffs and execute the quick time event, the effect shows up. It's hard to say why exactly it shows up, it could be a reaction to extreme violence (throwing a man into a bloody jet engine) but in that case the kill from the QTE is really tame..? Doesn't show up during the eye poke, doesn't show up during executions.. Regardless, while it does show up during the order from Adler, I don't think it was necessarily something related to Adler
im so confused as to why people would think they would just keep a known former soviet soldier who remembers his memories (and potentially acts on them), especially adler. The campaign says “Case volunteered for the trials”, Case has been a CIA assassin for years, and hes had the same callsign since he first started. Doesnt anyone think its simpler to recruit a civilian and MK ultra them instead of shooting a russian soldier and keeping them AGAIN. Adler wouldve realized their conditioning was broken and then again, itd be a risk to brainwash them AGAIN knowing they already remembered what was done, and the Perseus thing was done, bell was a loose end.
If bell was case that would be reaching, Adler knows what case looks like, and in that were true then he’d recognize him, he also seems fond of case compared to be because he doesn’t fully trust bell in Cold War
@ I suppose, but the story with case is that he willingly tested for the brainwashing to become a super soldier for pantheon, why would Adler be in on it because he despises pantheon and wants to get rid of them? Case is basically an unknowing sleeper agent who gives them intel on what they’re doing to pantheon, it would make 0 sense for Adler to be involved with pantheon
Nah it's not reaching case being bell does make sense when you truly think about it and also adler was like that with bell as well and not just Adler others seemed fond of bell too and look what happened all of it ended up being fake so yea how do we know that all of the affection for case is not fake either? Cuz it very well may be
@ no one was fond of bell, everyone was really suspicious and never really trusted them when going through dialogue options, the team with case actually seem to like case as a person, plus marshal really seems to trust him since they’ve had years of combat experience together so case was an early implant, it just canonically wouldn’t make sense with the time frame they’ve given
@@1990hondacivic umm I never said that they were fond of bell I said that it 'seemed' that they were fond of bell I also said that it turned out to be fake did you like not read my comment at all? I know that they were obviously acting which is why I said this before too that maybe the affection towards case is also not real if case is bell maybe they are acting with case too maybe troy didn't actually know case from before maybe troy is lying and pretending just like everyone else the thing is we don't really know if there affection this time is also real or not it does seem more genuine tho this time around just like you said it yourself but we still can't rule out the possiblity that it's all not a ruse and with Troy looking like he really trusts case maybe because that's just how troy wants it to look like or could be his personality too an easy going guy idk..man cold war really did give me trust issues I can't even trust anybodys words apart from woods🤷🤷🤷anyways I would still believe my theory of bell being case just because it makes the most sense to me obviously that doesn't mean it would make sense to everyone and I get that bell could very well not be case and I could be setting myself up for major disappointed but even so i will stick with this theory to the end.. we will know the truth eventually so let's wait and see
I feel like Woods would definitely know if Case is Bell considering Case does in fact interact with the characters via dialogue options, so idk I doubt it’s him at all. Woods would RAISE HELL about that
Heres my theory: in 1981 bell is betrayed and captured, being experimented on in not just mk-ultra but also on the cradle, later bell is infected again and gets shot, he is re mind controlled as not just case, but he's also an undercover agent as harry stone to spy on the warsaw pact/crimson one, and i think he didnt die in the heljcopter crash at the end of BO6, i think that he survived and escaped the helicopter and swam to the surface to continue his uncercover job as stone. I get that it doesnt make sense but hey, its a good theory atleast.
@@rio_underscore i said it was a theory, and bell never talks, yes he was a soviet soldier, but that doesnt mean hes of russian descent, but thats your opinion. i think he is stone though.
While this does make sense, I kind of hope Bell and Case are different characters. Hell I'd love to maybe see both characters meet one day or both appear as operators in game, if Bell really did survive the end of Cold War that is.
I wouldn't be surprised if Case and Bell were the same people considering modern cod games hesitance to outright kill certain characters (cough Graves, Alex cough) and I'm honestly not even fully convinced Mason is dead either, despite the devs saying so, since nothing in the plots of BO2 and BO6 would change regardless of Mason being dead or not. I do however think plot wise, bringing back characters like bell feels super contrived to me. Reusing characters and never commiting to deaths/sacrifices is a big problem in modern cod. Not counting reboot Soap's death in MWiii cause that was just dumb, I really don't like this hesitance of fully commiting to having characters get sacrificed (for the greater good) or having villains stay down after presumably killing them in a boss battle. At a story level, what made the older games great was that there was sacrifice and death and pain. There was real incentive to stopping the villains, and the deaths were impactful to the plot and character motivations. They really felt earned and honest. Going back on that all to be more like marvel superheroes (especially seen with how the devs are combining the universes of reboot MW, BO, vanguard) where no one really dies ever makes it feel cheap in comparison. What is the point of the story/emotional crux of one of the heroes dying (usually sacrifice or betrayal) when you know in modern cod they're just gonna pop up again in warzone with a line like, "I was never in the tank". It's just so silly. I know there are deaths too in modern cod but they usually heavily foreshadowed, riddled with death flags and so early on in the game that there's virtually no reason to care much insofar as that it moves the plot. *Cough cough fucking vanguard cough*. I'd honestly rather have new characters instead of old ones who supposedly die than get better offscreen somewhere because the plot told us it had to happen for the Devs to sell new skins on warzone. Urgh. Bell's death? in cold war felt earned and made sense with the plot. There were no real extra plot holes that needed to be filled and felt in character to who Adler is and how cold and calculated he is. Going back on all that, just so we can have an extra tie in to cold war just feels to me like another symptom of the overall problem modern cod games seem to have with having characters die or not die. The only death/not death that felt earned was Mason's fate in BO2 because the actual method to having Mason be alive was actually relatively tricky and required a lot of conditions that didn't necessarily create the best ending. It somehow managed to not feel contrived at all cause of how many conditions had to be fulfilled. Otherwise, great theory! It certainly makes sense about a lot of Adler's connection with Case. But seriously at that point, the devs might as well have Mason pop up somewhere in the next black ops as a fun easter egg and reboot Soap somehow being alive in the reboot mw4 cause clearly no one actually dies in modern cod games lmao.
Case having a neurological effect at 2:37 isn't because of Adler... Case's neurological effects often triggers when anything or anyone related to the cradle is said or present. In which case, the scientist Gusev at 2:37 is very much related to the cradle. So yeah... Adler really isn't the trigger.
@@IceBurgZ Case has control over his aggression... because the cradle isn't brainwashing it's aggression triggering... Other "cases" is when with Case is with Harrows...
Because Case has a good control over his aggression... since the cradle is aggression inducing not brainwashing... and it has been said that Case is a special case with the cradle. Take Case and Harrow for example, Harrow is another person that revolves around the cradle.
The only thing I would say to dispute this would be that Bell was a customizable character. If they made Bell into Case then it would be kinda invalidating the fact that Bell was customizable and at that point what was the point of personalization? I also however, am aware that you can briefly see Bell in certain scenes which do hint toward Bell being male. But at that point if they had decided to make Bell's character model male why wouldn't they have just come out and confirm it? I do like this theory and I do think it's cool, but I have a feeling that they're probably seperate characters. I don't see why they'd run the risk of turning Bell into a super soldier and being unable to control him. You could argue that Bell did make the choice to help save the world and therefore could be considered worthy to do it- or dispoable if the experiment ended terribly. But there's always the risk that perhaps the brainwashing still had a part to play in that decision. Also whats to say as Bell regained more memories that they wouldn't turn against them at some point? I will say however the director mannequin did have Adler's hair style. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.
I honestly thought it was Bell too. Although, not because I saw any evidence or actions specifically, I just thought it'd be the kind of twist Treyarch would pull.
See, THIS is how you set up a good character mystery. Give us a base line, add something unique but abnormal, add some obscure dialogue/lore, put in a couple of implications, and BAM!! A character that could have theory after theory as to who they are and what actually happened to them.
My only real argument against Case being Bell is that Park, Sims and Woods don't say anything or are surprised that Case is Bell. Maybe Park would be in on and go along with Adler calling him by a new name and just running with it. Sims seemed to be out of all the CIA bullshit so it feels odd he'd still be onboard with Bell still being a brainwashed attack dog. The biggest one for me would be Woods. I genuinely cannot believe that Woods would willingly be ok with someone continuing to be a brainwashed puppet for anyone given his best friend, Mason, had the same thing done to him. So I don't think Woods would just tow the line and not call out Case being Bell.
I guess my question is, why didn’t Adler know of the cradle before. He knew of the facility, because of Mk Ultra things, but not this chemical. Unless you make the argument that he’s an unreliable narrator/is omitting something. Or that Adler was asked to send in Bell to be observed, due to their mission success in Cold War, and from there, he knows nothing which happened to take place there.
To me, this is why Adler has a visitor pass. Because he’s merely a visitor, I don’t think the ending scene of Cold War is fake, per se. But probably him tranq gunning bell, to be sent over.
Actually I thought this too it Adler knew his brainwashing isn’t perfect so he takes him to the lab he worked at and what do you know that lab just so happened to have the cradle
As a side note, shouldn't Park, Sims and Woods be able to recognize or realize Case as Bell. And if so, wouldn't they object to this treatment of someone who proved themselves plus sacrificed it all and had their backs even after finding out the truth. Park Especially in certain choices in Cold War (MI6 background).
@UP51L I was thinking that, but it seems too convenient. Plus, the voice and certain ticks should tip them off like British Accent, Cryptography, Etc. Figured few things would still remain from Cold War to make them suspicious
@ we don’t really know any of Bell or Cases mannerisms nor how much is and isn’t lined in black ink. From the video, it seems Adler is essentially their case carrier. If he knows how to brainwash effectively, surely he can make a Brazilian out of a Norwegian.
If bell is case. Adler would be dead. CW ending had a gunshot at the end. So if bell is case Adler should be dead. I doubt they would try to shoot each other then when they miss call it a day
Unless as I explained in the video it was a implanted memory, considering there are no Cliffsides in solovetsky (where the last mission takes place) where was bell shot?
I always thought the reason as to why we nearly killed the guy at adlers request was simply cause of cracks in our mentality. Like the cradle starts taking effect again and we become more violent (as was intendet)
I think Case’s reaction to Adler telling him to dispose of the guy is because Case’s adrenaline is running. The super soldier effect left Case unstable, leaving him prone to fits of rage. Maybe Case thinks about how brutal this is gonna be, and he knows this doctor had something to do with the Cradle, so he’s thrilled to get revenge.
Also remember what he's told as part of his brainwashing, he can't reveal any secrets or talk about The Cradle or anything that went down there, him reacting like that would be him silencing someone who could expose it, going against his programming
I agree with this theory, and my main question is how old is Case/Bell, because usually in fiction super soldiers are created at a very young age. My guess is that Case/Bell is 28 in bo6 and he was 18 in Cold War, and he was born in 1963, I could be wrong but it’s just a hypothesis
So i have a theory that the womans voice in Cases head IS Bell and its more like because of the experimentation Case "inherited" Bell or perhaps Bell is "Born again" by "The cradle" having Case and Bell merge minds essentially. Thats why alot of the monster's case sees bear a resemblance to Adler and why theres still a hint of brain washing from Adler bleeding over into Case
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@ I watched it multiple times, at first the voice and her speak at the same time, after that the voice stops talking but she continues, without her mouth actually moving. In addition the voice sounds similar to the evil Harrow in the weird flashback mission
Perhaps that and scene in cold war was more of a metaphor than it being real. Bell being brainwashed again and Adler killing his psyche again. It would also make sense seeing the way the team reacted during events that were life threatening being so bland. Noone seemed worried when Case fell into the elevator shaft or when the chopper went down.
Interesting how everyone is so ok with all this. Like woods and marshal. I always wondered whether mason and woods knew the truth about bell in Cold War. But meeting case after already working with bell, surely the man must know something is up.
Pretty sure the weird effect his a schizophrenic personality and it’s why he tired to kill the scientist not becuase he was ordered by Adler too but becuase he has a deep psychological disorder and it makes him wanna kill the pantheon. We don’t see Adler use any orders on him and Adler isn’t always around cas. But it’s a cool theory
Its an interesting theory for sure, and You admitted that They are an different person, cause well Harrow for sure wouldn't have known Bell, and She seems to know Case in a personal way, it's shame We didn't get to hear Case is voice, which I think it's nip picking...but Case just seems to be an guy that is just there...wished They gave Him more importance cause Case felt pretty stale.
I got the feeling we'll know for sure in the next Black Ops game taking place after Black Ops 2! We'll see an old man Adler, and a main character who happens to be Bell and Case, and at the end, we have a choice to kill Adler or not.
Interesting theory. But there are a couple of points. First Bell can be both a girl and a guy with different skin colour, in theory we don't know what exactly the canonical appearance of Bell is. Second I personally tend to think that Bell and Case are two different characters as I don't remember Bell having a tattoo on his forearm. Third The rosette of these two characters is completely different, which may tell us that they are two different characters. Hopefully in the first season of Black ops 6 we will be given more information.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember a scene talking about how the first people to be tested on by the cradle were actually a pair of brothers, one given the cradle through inhalation and the other through injections so case and bell could be brothers but again this is just my stupid memory after playing the campaign once
What about bell's gender? You can choose it in cold war, but in bo6 case is specifically a male, so having the option to choose a female bell would directly prove that they cant be the same person (unless the tests involved changing bell's gender idk)
Well, CW gave you plenty of choices, but still picked a specific choice to be the "canon" version for Black Ops 6; namely whether you save Helen Park. It's not too unreasonable they'd pick a "canon gender" a few years after CW came out. IMO, choices like that aren't really meant to mean anything, it's just to make you feel more in control of the game you're playing at the time.
That'd be so funny, cuz that would make them: A Perseus operative Brainwashed into CIA Kinda released but kept in line Brainwashed to forget Tuned into Case One Brainwashed into CIA (again) Turned back into a Cradle supersoldier at the very end of BO6
I think he gad the effect when he was gonna kill the guy by the plane because it's the cradle making him violent, he had that effect when killing harrow
Hi i have a question i hope you can answer it and really dont mind answering it My question is not related to case or bell tho but rather Perseus..are Perseus and pantheon the same? Is pantheon filled with Perseus members? You know to this day i still dont understand what really became of Perseus
@@IceBurgZ and why would woods trust case then? they were already in a position where everyone can't be trusted what if case accidentally regress during a mission why would woods allow it considering the odds?
"Case is Bell" no matter the fact that Bell was a member of pegasus and Case was literally created by the C.I.A with the gas as a super soldier... It's literally the complete opposite of Bell, but yeah, COD fans are unable to put one and one together...
Case is 100% a male, with bell you could pick the gender, wouldnt make sense to have character whose gender you can choose and then bring the character back but have them now be a fixed gender. The whole point of bell was purely to stop perseus, adler really didnt have any reason to keep him around
Tiene lógica tu vídeo y pienso lo mismo. Creo que Case es Bell y en la campaña de Black Ops Cold War Adler ya daba indicios de que le iban a dar una nueva identidad a Bell. Bell y Case cuando están en efecto de la droga ven zombies entonces es muy posible que hubiera sucedido sucesos de zombies antes de 1983 y después de 1945. También en la campaña de Black Ops 6 se hace mucha referencia a los sucesos de 1981 en CW pero se hace mucha mención indirecta de Bell. El lugar de emergencia es el lugar en donde se creo la personalidad de Bell y posteriormente de Case. Es obvio que Bell ahora es Case y que los antiguos miembros del equipo de Adler fijan que no conocen a Case. Creo que hay algo muy oculto e importante que tiene Case y es muy seguro esta vinculado con la cicatriz de Adler. Saludos desde Argentina.
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Even though he's clearly not, I can't blame ppl for thinking that when they are both voiced by the same guy
a fellow old man in the chat i see lmfao
Gaz died in cod mw 1
@@027mainothat’s why he said 2009/mw2
Bell and Case have the same VA
One thing I've noticed about the campaign is that Adler and Marshall say "it's up to you" multiple times. Maybe this is the equivalent of "We've got a job to do"
That’s a amazing catch I didn’t notice! Thank you for that piece of info I’ll look into it!
"would you kindly?"
BioShock
A man chooses. A slaves obeys.
I feel that too
Fun fact, in the house, if you go to Felix's room, you can find a note where he talks about Case yelling in his sleep
That's because he went thru some scary ish in the emergence mission. Anyone would be yelling in their sleep after seeing Zombies, Manglers, Monsters, and creeping mannequins in hallucinations lol
@@baroncross3060 I think he said that Case was already yelling in his sleep but that mission just made it even worse
Even Inkslasher elaborated on this. After shooting Bell to register him “dead”, Adler brought him to the Advanced Technologies and Applications. From there, scientists (including Adler himself) introduced The Cradle to Bell. Bell becomes unstable, but eventually pacified. ATA and Adler give him a new identity… again. William “Case One” Colderon. It could also be implied that Sims and Park also took part in this too, hence why they also pretend they don’t know him.
Yes we both conversed about this theory quite a bit
case was involved between 80-81 bell was with adler in 81 and bell was working with the Russians the whole time so say if case was bell wouldnt make sense plus wouldnt everyone knows case is bell? once he talks ppl would know and his body mass like bell could be 6foot 180 and case could be 6'2 215 i think there 2 different ppl
plus case real name is William Calderón which calderion is spanish and sefardi origin bell was Russian
0:02 @@TOXICYT2016first of even if sims or park or troy knew why would they jeopardize everything by giving hints and why would they even give hints they would obviously pretend to the end that they don't know just like how they did with bell everybody apart from mason woods and lazar knew that bell was part of Perseus but they pretended not to know so why wouldn't they do the same with case if case is bell secondly William is obviously not his real name do you think it would make sense for the scientists to use his real name just so that later by searching about case real name not only the scientists but even case would have been tracked down by cia hence ruining there experiments obviously cases name William is fake just like bell was a fake name there could also be a possiblity that if case really was bell then Adler would have obviously given him this name
Thirdly they might know cases body mass but how would they know bells body mass they didn't spend too much time with bell so your theory doesn't make sense and even if they did knew bells body mass alongside cases that still doesn't change anything someone's body mass alone cannot determine who he is there are literally billion ppl in this world there also could be a possiblity that one could either have a similar body mass to another or not so like I said doesn't really prove anything
@kpopfan8109 ok, what ever u say, bud if u being real there not the same person and also if u google case on the cod wiki stats it's william "case" calderon but u never mentioned the last name the last name is Spanish origin bell was Russian right? Why would a Russian have a Spanish last name 🤔
@@kpopfan8109 and Case aint his real name either they call him case bc he was case one in the testing
Wouldn't be surprised if the ending of Bell being shot was just a hallucination of his mind trying to fight off Adler's control one last time before his mind got wiped, again.
I'm honestly a bit surprised that you'd watch that cutscene over and over but then not even mention how the last monster of the drug trip is literally Adler.
Which monster the executive director?
What monster?
@@slavic_slav1320 the deciple at the end of emergance
@@Theenderslayer69ttv i never noticed that. how was it adler
@@UniqueUsername1Look at his head. He's wearing sunglasses.
This is what I like about the Black Ops series. Nothing is as cut and dry as the MW series when it comes to telling a story. The game will not tell you outright what is true. It's even willing to lie to the player, 'The Truth Lies.'
Yeah but 3 took it to far
@@danboy123423 actually had a good story it’s just that they didn’t have enough time to properly explain everything they wanted
@@danboy12342 nah, 3 was amazing
@@chromtastic2092 oh yes absolutely what I mean is it went to far into the grey, so much so they had to tell fans outside of the game
@@chromtastic2092 3 was disgusting
PLOT TWIST:
Case is still alive but he has lost his memory so he decided to become an obese twitch streamer known as Caseoh
lol
Oh 😮
what is that profile picture يسطا
How Caseoh would be over 80 years old
Caseoh fans trying to be funny:
2020s: Bell is Stone
2024: Case is Bell😂
Who is also stone
Who's Stone tho?
@@nguyenhaiong7209multiplayer character in cold war, who wasn't plot relevant in the slightest
@@jakejohnson718 He shares the same model as (Male) Bell.
This is getting tiring tbh
A small note, take this with a grain of salt: during Bell's MK-Ultra there is a rathole you can go into and encounter Zombies, Case when exposed to the cradle sees not just zombies but Mimic, Manglers, Abomination, and Deciples which I found weird like: How the bloody h*** does Case know what these things are and Vice versa with Bell since zombies weren't a popular thing especially with glowing eyes.
Follow me for a second: Campaign and Zombies are canon to one another, right? On the map Firebase Z, there is a conversation that Aetherium can affect one's mind (followed by side effects). Now I'm just shooting in the dark here what if MK-Ultra had some form of aetherium in it, So when in this theory Bell/Case was exposed to the Cradle which had a more potent Aetherium in it's mixture. From Bell's MK-Ultra brainwashing would give him a resistance to the negative effects from Cradle, which would explain how he was the ONLY successful trial. Think of it like that one guy in real life who exposed himself to snake venom and built up a resistance to it, but in this case Aetherium for Bell/Case.
I could be looking into this the wrong way but it's just my two minute paragraph.
No
I was waiting for a theory like this. It felt like they were setting up something like this but didn't have time to flesh the story out.
I found it so weird how we were just introduced to new characters like Cass and other main characters in BO6 with no backstory, and I was waiting for them to reveal Marshall and compsny wasn't real and that everything was in Case's head or something. But the story never went there or did anything with Case's backstory as a test subject until the last moment of the game which was a bit disapointing.
We didn't even get an "evil" ending like with BOCW (I was thinking the entire time that the CIA are not the good guys and was waiting for the option to join Pantheon lol)
same lol. I joined hands with the bad guys in cold war and I wouldve liked to join pantheon here. Kind of a bummer, tbh
I think Case’s story isn’t over yet. I’ve heard a few rumors that the next COD will be another Black Ops, so we might see more of Case.
Maybe. Case was exposed to the Cradle at the end a lot more than the diluted, early iteration that he had first taken. This “final” strain made people way more aggressive, hence why the only option in the end was to kill Harrow (as far as I know). We also don’t see Case in the last part of the campaign, and he was literally locked in a crashed helicopter that was burning and slowly filling with water. Basically, he’s dead, but the team we see in BO6 will probably return once or twice.
I think Bell and Case are brothers because when you play Hunting Season mission in Bo6 and open the 4 pin lock box, each of the box has a audio log and they talk about two brothers being experimented
Interesting theory but didn’t one of the brother kill the other
@@NicholasOlander-t4cAfter he killed his brother he killed himself if u listen to all of them
@@Johnny_Silverhand0 interesting now I’m thinking who the hell was the two brothers and what was the point of BO6 putting those audio log in the game
I've always thought the gun Adler shoots Bell with looks like the tranq gun used in "Another Brick in the Wall". No one ever brings that up but I've had this opinion since CW came out.
It’s not it’s his silenced 1911 if you go onto his CW operator you can see it’s animated on his kit which is also the same outfit from the end of the game
Correction it’s not silenced but it’s a 1911 all the same side note rewatching the scene he motions to pull it from his holster but if you look under the flap and sticking out the back you can see the grip and top of the slide of another 1911 still in holster (it’s a animating error not a two guns theory to be clear)
Also, what is weird (probably a coincidence) that almost every time Case gets into the serious mission, he prefers Russian weaponry. Example: AS VAL in bunker sequence in America, AK/SVD combo in Raid mission, e.t.c.
Maybe he is more familiar with it, since he was a soviet agent(muscle memory and all that)?
I interpreted the AS VAL in Bunker as making it look like the Russians raided it
I think it was just so the player would use all the guns
I doubt that the wepons hold much significance. Janes parents both had Makarov pistols and I’d doubt CIA agents have any Russian oriented or favored armaments.
@@gamerguy6990is it not implied that they were Russian double agents?
😂😂😂 nuh uh
I will note that case has visions of "frank woods (as a mob) chasing him" and one of the bosses "the director" looks like adler.
Which one? All the directors of that emergence mission look like zombies
@@andrewnguyen2234 the red mannequin, before he turns into the warden
What about Woods and Park? They both seemed more or less friendly, like Case was an acquaintance and a fondly respected colleague. There’s no weird dynamic or treatment, they definitely treated Bell way differently.
Also one pattern I see with cod bo games protogainist names are in alphabetical letters like BO1-A for Alex BO CW-B for Bell ,BO6-C for Case,BO2-D for David
Very interesting! I didn’t catch that
Wow I’ve never looked at it that way
This is cute but falls apart because of Bo3. John Taylor dkesnt quite work but it is fun.
@@GoPackGo1733I thought we were just a nameless dude in BO3, cuz we can customize him
@@kayagorzan The canon of the bo3 timeline is that the person we play as (player) is only actually in the first 2 missions as they die from injuries. The rest of the story is reliving the memories of John Taylor. With talor being us (player) in the story and taylor being Stone who is never seen in game but the scrolling messages at the start of every mission tell us this info. So the player DOES exist, although we only play as them for a short period of time. Basically its all a dream recounting taylors irl memories.
Raven already stated that bell was killed by Adler plus Bell is a custom character who never mattered where Case is a silent main character
They also said mason died and it’s evident he didnt
If you're mentioning the BO6 ending, that would be Case the crimson operator. @@IceBurgZ
@bonelessduck8986 no I mean literally the footage they show repeatedly for masons death is the shot in the leg footage not the hole in the head footage
@@IceBurgZthey did use the footage of Mason being shot in the leg but they already did state Mason being shot in the head was the cannon ending I don't think they ment to use that footage to be honest and bell is definitely dead he/she was a Soviet agent that worked for perseus and Adler just needed to know where perseus was after that bell was of no use i thought the same thing I thought bell might have been case but their not sadly
Yes but what if they were lying this game has been in the works since Cold War came out and if they knew what the story would be. Plus if you look at the scene where Adler “kills” Bell he doesn’t even shoot him in the head the gun is pointed more down.
Honestly, my main issue with this theory is that it requires a lot of the returning characters from cold war to either be willing to play along with Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell or somehow not recognize him when they served with him as Bell. The most agregious one to me being Park, who's only alive because Bell saved her over Lazar when they were in Cuba.
It's not impossible or anything, but it feels wrong that even she'd turn a blind eye to Adler still brainwashing Case/Bell when he was the one who saved her life.
Case wore a mask and goggles the entire team he was with park but I agree it is a hole in the theory
@@IceBurgZthe biggest issue here is the casino mission. Literally everyone would’ve seen Case’s face.
@@GrainOnTheGowasnt case doing his own “stealth” mission during that tho?
@@chuckyzrevenge he gets seen by all members of the mission... literally all of them see Case.
@@GrainOnTheGo with a mask on tho…right?
The problem with that theory is that neither Woods nor Park nor Sims do not recognise case as bell. And they know him as they worked with him in cold war
But Sims is skeptical of him though
@misfit7024 he is also skeptical on Adler
One thing is for sure, they're both dangerous.
Very much so!
More than Steven Seagal
I’ve seen so much people trying to say it’s mason but they seem to either forget or don’t even know that mason died like 8-9 years after bell was shot by Adler and case popped up and was tested on that same year bell was shot so the timeline doesn’t add up for mason.
Yea and mason was accounted for when case was being experimented on like we have files stating he was on xyz missions
@@IceBurgZ guess the only thing that fights this theory is the fact that no one reacts to case as they know him so maybe dlc or next game will tell us what happened or new information.
This could be nothing but the two names are Case and Bell. Now when I read the title “Case is Bell”, I thought Cassius Belli, a Latin term meaning “time for war”. Both Case and Bell are only really activated in times of war. Could be a complete coincidence but cool nonetheless
idk it looks like adler shoot bells head and just the idea of them brainwashing someone brain twice and still being able to function even for cod doesnt seem to likely
I mean Adler was debrainwashed using no ultra after being brainwashed with the numbers so it’s possible
That and when Adler shoots him, the angle looks like he shoots bell in the head before bell can aim on him, I doubt he’ll would survive 2 headshots and get brainwashed all over again, that’s a lot of gray matter and memory loss to be combat effective
@@IceBurgZ alder killed bell before the brain wash bell knew too much and could be a threat so is why alder killed him
then again, the Cradle makes him a supersoldier, so maybe it can mend his brain a bit
I like your theory but its weird that Adler,Sims and Park dont acknowldge case as bell they fought together against Perseus and then ten years later after adler shot bell and let him be brainwashed again and then work with him again without being sus and acting like he is a different person is weird to me. I hope that we get anwsers in the seasonal content just like in cold war
Very true I’m hoping we get more info
Probably because sims park and Adler were in on it all and are aware of what happened??
They never see cases face
And he’s silent so
Maybe they didn’t notice because of that
@silverback1953 thats what i thought he has a mask on in haunting season and probably a mask and hoodie in high roller but he probably has no mask in the rook and at the gala mission because in the rook there are only his friends and at the gala they wouldnt let him have a mask at the gala maybe he had one when he Changes clothes but adler was at the rook after the mission its weird
You're forgetting about Woods which makes this whole thing unravel. I doubt that he'd just shrug it off, especially after Panama. Case also got a radio to call in airstrikes meaning Park would've heard him speak.
I noticed that the cliffside where Adler shoots Bell in CW looks suspiciously similar to the cliffside outcrop behind the safehouse in BO6. Its not quite identical, because there's no sign of the mansion in the CW scene, but I think it was intentional and just a slight retcon since they probably didnt plan it ahead
I feel like the fact that the final mission in cold war takes place on march 15th aka the ides of march has some significance, because bell was betrayed by adler like how caesar was betrayed by the senate
Great catch I never put that together
i may be wrong here but i thought Adler says "We've got a job to do" but Case didn't react at all. side note now i have to play the story again and see
Doesn’t sound like a disappointing outcome to have to play cod more lol
Same effect also occurs near the end of the final mission, after Marshall tells Case to go capture Harrow.
I thought during the campaign that Adler would slip the name Bell for once when he was talking to you the player😂
Altho this was my though before I watch this video😊
i don't think they are the same person, there's a lot of evidence pointing to them not being the same, i think the reason case is so eager to kill the guy after Adler told him to is because the cradle just makes people violent but case can somewhat control it so at that time hes just being influenced by the cradle to kill and not because Adler told him to, i do however agree that bell is not dead and he most likely regained his memories and is now being held in a prison somewhere, im pretty sure there is dialogue somewhere in the campain where they say case has told people to just call him case, i think its because deep down he knows william is not his real name because they always called him case one in the labs, after they altered his memory to not remember the experiences and his past his subconscious prefers they call him case since its a more familiar sounding name to him.
This makes a lot of sense to me just based on the fact that, throughout the campaign, Adler never really questions Case’s origin or backstory. It’s entirely possible that he always knew about the Cradle testing on Case due to him working at ATA, but Adler would still doubt his allegiances and morals, unless he had witnessed Case’s reasoning first-hand despite brainwashing (end of Cold War). Because we all know that Adler is living paranoia.
Might be the same case with Woods, because from what I remember, Woods wasn’t aware of Bell’s origin until the final mission, but he’d have to be of Case’s. I believe at the very least, Marshall, Harrow and Livingston would all know, which is why Case isn’t in the debriefing cutscenes for the first mission or really any others.
They knew exactly what they were doing with that casting choice.
This theory has the same major plot hole it has in InkSlasher's video: There are at least 3 characters in the BO6 story who knew Bell in CW, so they know what he looks like, he would have needed extensive plastic surgery for this theory to work.
Park doesn’t even see Case, as seen by the black mask he wears.
So that’s 1. But the other two, I don’t know.
@SainiRohan I seriously doubt he wears a mask at the hideout with Woods.
@@VanaheimRangeryeah I don’t think so either. I was more so talking about Park.
Sims did seem to be upset though, about Adler having his own way of doing things, and giving Case a warning.
Other than the face, Park would have heard his voice when he calls for air strikes and talks
@@williamcranmore4069 I know I’m reaching but bell was one operative, there for like 5 months, in 1981.
Assuming she has done multiple operations since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if she forgot, or if she was told he was closed off by Adler.
Something tells me that Jane is still alive. We never see her die the screen just goes dark, and we're not entirely sure that she's confirmed dead, they can ve keeping her alive because, as case was beating her up, she's begging him to stop that the good side of her has prevailed over her evil traumatic side. I feel as if Jane will be getting the Bell treatment to keep her in line permanently and she'll be helping Marshall's team to takedown the new pantheon head.
They are under water she ain’t making it out of that alive also the fact she has a chemical weapon jammed into her head
In the emergence mission in bo6, case is called case one by the scientist, don't forget case was one of the people that were meant to be the super soldier. in the story you can hear that they said they treated case with the cradle for him to be the super soldier, he also gets the dizzy effect whatever it is when he hears pantheon and cradle since the scientist said case can't ever talk of the pantheon or cradle
Ironically enough, adler has a line that debunks this and its not from campeign, its from zombies, if you play as adler on terminus and headshot a zombie, one of the lines he can say is "mind if i call you belle?" Confirming that he did in fact kill belle at the end of cold war, meaning belle and case cant be the same person
Where does that line say he killed bell tho? All that line confirms is he’s making a joke about brain rot and brain control
@@IceBurgZthe line specifically plays when you headshot them, which means it's likely referencing him shooting belle, not how belle was a sleeper agent
@reggilad_9043 it doesn’t confirm bell is dead tho your taking a leap saying that confirms he dead like I’m saying bell and case are the same
@@IceBurgZ fair, it is a leap now that I think about it
@cammurray255 yes his coincidental access to the covert facility in Kentucky where brainwashing was being tested 4 days after after shooting bell and the same month the facility submitted the info packet to the us government for further testing approval is not factual in anyway and completely a leap…
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With how fast case can move even compared to multiplayer. He’s clearly a super soldier and not to mention regenerating health and armor from takedown. Also pretty sure he killed Jane Harrow’s parents. I think Adler shot him to erase his memories and he regenerated it. Weird but makes sense
I don’t think Case would be military age when Jane’s parents were killed. Him and Jane would be closer in age
Or is it diddy
Not enough baby oil unfortunately
I wholeheartedly believe bell is case it just makes sense you know timeline wise and story wise i do hope this theory actually turns out to be true i really want bell to be alive and case too hopefully he didnt die in the end
Also love this video and lastly can I ask you something if you don't mind that is what is going to be the topic for your next video?
Maybe they planned this years ago and that s why the protagonist isn't voiced in both CW and BO6
Treyarch said Bell was shot, they never actually said he was killed so it makes perfect sense imo
This makes so much sense! This is a great video. Thank you!
Welcome to the badass mute characters, Case
The effect is seen times before. For example, when you break free of your handcuffs and execute the quick time event, the effect shows up.
It's hard to say why exactly it shows up, it could be a reaction to extreme violence (throwing a man into a bloody jet engine) but in that case the kill from the QTE is really tame..? Doesn't show up during the eye poke, doesn't show up during executions..
Regardless, while it does show up during the order from Adler, I don't think it was necessarily something related to Adler
im so confused as to why people would think they would just keep a known former soviet soldier who remembers his memories (and potentially acts on them), especially adler. The campaign says “Case volunteered for the trials”, Case has been a CIA assassin for years, and hes had the same callsign since he first started. Doesnt anyone think its simpler to recruit a civilian and MK ultra them instead of shooting a russian soldier and keeping them AGAIN. Adler wouldve realized their conditioning was broken and then again, itd be a risk to brainwash them AGAIN knowing they already remembered what was done, and the Perseus thing was done, bell was a loose end.
I just think its super weird that both Bell and Case see Zombies during the campaign while going through their respective hallucinations
If bell was case that would be reaching, Adler knows what case looks like, and in that were true then he’d recognize him, he also seems fond of case compared to be because he doesn’t fully trust bell in Cold War
True but why would Adler openly admit he knows case is bell if it may trigger a flashback or a break in the mind control
@ I suppose, but the story with case is that he willingly tested for the brainwashing to become a super soldier for pantheon, why would Adler be in on it because he despises pantheon and wants to get rid of them? Case is basically an unknowing sleeper agent who gives them intel on what they’re doing to pantheon, it would make 0 sense for Adler to be involved with pantheon
Nah it's not reaching case being bell does make sense when you truly think about it and also adler was like that with bell as well and not just Adler others seemed fond of bell too and look what happened all of it ended up being fake so yea how do we know that all of the affection for case is not fake either? Cuz it very well may be
@ no one was fond of bell, everyone was really suspicious and never really trusted them when going through dialogue options, the team with case actually seem to like case as a person, plus marshal really seems to trust him since they’ve had years of combat experience together so case was an early implant, it just canonically wouldn’t make sense with the time frame they’ve given
@@1990hondacivic umm I never said that they were fond of bell I said that it 'seemed' that they were fond of bell I also said that it turned out to be fake did you like not read my comment at all? I know that they were obviously acting which is why I said this before too that maybe the affection towards case is also not real if case is bell maybe they are acting with case too maybe troy didn't actually know case from before maybe troy is lying and pretending just like everyone else the thing is we don't really know if there affection this time is also real or not it does seem more genuine tho this time around just like you said it yourself but we still can't rule out the possiblity that it's all not a ruse and with Troy looking like he really trusts case maybe because that's just how troy wants it to look like or could be his personality too an easy going guy idk..man cold war really did give me trust issues I can't even trust anybodys words apart from woods🤷🤷🤷anyways I would still believe my theory of bell being case just because it makes the most sense to me obviously that doesn't mean it would make sense to everyone and I get that bell could very well not be case and I could be setting myself up for major disappointed but even so i will stick with this theory to the end.. we will know the truth eventually so let's wait and see
I feel like Woods would definitely know if Case is Bell considering Case does in fact interact with the characters via dialogue options, so idk I doubt it’s him at all. Woods would RAISE HELL about that
Would he though? Considering it could trigger a relapse of a the original bell or would he be quiet and not mention it because of the risk
Heres my theory: in 1981 bell is betrayed and captured, being experimented on in not just mk-ultra but also on the cradle, later bell is infected again and gets shot, he is re mind controlled as not just case, but he's also an undercover agent as harry stone to spy on the warsaw pact/crimson one, and i think he didnt die in the heljcopter crash at the end of BO6, i think that he survived and escaped the helicopter and swam to the surface to continue his uncercover job as stone. I get that it doesnt make sense but hey, its a good theory atleast.
Bell is not stone. Stone is British and has a whole other set of lore. They just shared models for that game to save money.
@@rio_underscore i said it was a theory, and bell never talks, yes he was a soviet soldier, but that doesnt mean hes of russian descent, but thats your opinion. i think he is stone though.
While this does make sense, I kind of hope Bell and Case are different characters. Hell I'd love to maybe see both characters meet one day or both appear as operators in game, if Bell really did survive the end of Cold War that is.
Im just happy that saving helen park was a canon event
I wouldn't be surprised if Case and Bell were the same people considering modern cod games hesitance to outright kill certain characters (cough Graves, Alex cough) and I'm honestly not even fully convinced Mason is dead either, despite the devs saying so, since nothing in the plots of BO2 and BO6 would change regardless of Mason being dead or not.
I do however think plot wise, bringing back characters like bell feels super contrived to me. Reusing characters and never commiting to deaths/sacrifices is a big problem in modern cod. Not counting reboot Soap's death in MWiii cause that was just dumb, I really don't like this hesitance of fully commiting to having characters get sacrificed (for the greater good) or having villains stay down after presumably killing them in a boss battle. At a story level, what made the older games great was that there was sacrifice and death and pain. There was real incentive to stopping the villains, and the deaths were impactful to the plot and character motivations. They really felt earned and honest.
Going back on that all to be more like marvel superheroes (especially seen with how the devs are combining the universes of reboot MW, BO, vanguard) where no one really dies ever makes it feel cheap in comparison.
What is the point of the story/emotional crux of one of the heroes dying (usually sacrifice or betrayal) when you know in modern cod they're just gonna pop up again in warzone with a line like, "I was never in the tank". It's just so silly.
I know there are deaths too in modern cod but they usually heavily foreshadowed, riddled with death flags and so early on in the game that there's virtually no reason to care much insofar as that it moves the plot. *Cough cough fucking vanguard cough*.
I'd honestly rather have new characters instead of old ones who supposedly die than get better offscreen somewhere because the plot told us it had to happen for the Devs to sell new skins on warzone. Urgh.
Bell's death? in cold war felt earned and made sense with the plot. There were no real extra plot holes that needed to be filled and felt in character to who Adler is and how cold and calculated he is.
Going back on all that, just so we can have an extra tie in to cold war just feels to me like another symptom of the overall problem modern cod games seem to have with having characters die or not die.
The only death/not death that felt earned was Mason's fate in BO2 because the actual method to having Mason be alive was actually relatively tricky and required a lot of conditions that didn't necessarily create the best ending. It somehow managed to not feel contrived at all cause of how many conditions had to be fulfilled.
Otherwise, great theory! It certainly makes sense about a lot of Adler's connection with Case. But seriously at that point, the devs might as well have Mason pop up somewhere in the next black ops as a fun easter egg and reboot Soap somehow being alive in the reboot mw4 cause clearly no one actually dies in modern cod games lmao.
Case having a neurological effect at 2:37 isn't because of Adler... Case's neurological effects often triggers when anything or anyone related to the cradle is said or present. In which case, the scientist Gusev at 2:37 is very much related to the cradle.
So yeah... Adler really isn't the trigger.
Then why didn’t it activate earlier?
@@IceBurgZ Case has control over his aggression... because the cradle isn't brainwashing it's aggression triggering...
Other "cases" is when with Case is with Harrows...
Because Case has a good control over his aggression... since the cradle is aggression inducing not brainwashing... and it has been said that Case is a special case with the cradle. Take Case and Harrow for example, Harrow is another person that revolves around the cradle.
The only thing I would say to dispute this would be that Bell was a customizable character. If they made Bell into Case then it would be kinda invalidating the fact that Bell was customizable and at that point what was the point of personalization? I also however, am aware that you can briefly see Bell in certain scenes which do hint toward Bell being male. But at that point if they had decided to make Bell's character model male why wouldn't they have just come out and confirm it?
I do like this theory and I do think it's cool, but I have a feeling that they're probably seperate characters. I don't see why they'd run the risk of turning Bell into a super soldier and being unable to control him. You could argue that Bell did make the choice to help save the world and therefore could be considered worthy to do it- or dispoable if the experiment ended terribly. But there's always the risk that perhaps the brainwashing still had a part to play in that decision. Also whats to say as Bell regained more memories that they wouldn't turn against them at some point?
I will say however the director mannequin did have Adler's hair style. Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.
Badass!🤘 I really like this theory!😊
I honestly thought it was Bell too. Although, not because I saw any evidence or actions specifically, I just thought it'd be the kind of twist Treyarch would pull.
See, THIS is how you set up a good character mystery.
Give us a base line, add something unique but abnormal, add some obscure dialogue/lore, put in a couple of implications, and BAM!! A character that could have theory after theory as to who they are and what actually happened to them.
My only real argument against Case being Bell is that Park, Sims and Woods don't say anything or are surprised that Case is Bell. Maybe Park would be in on and go along with Adler calling him by a new name and just running with it. Sims seemed to be out of all the CIA bullshit so it feels odd he'd still be onboard with Bell still being a brainwashed attack dog. The biggest one for me would be Woods. I genuinely cannot believe that Woods would willingly be ok with someone continuing to be a brainwashed puppet for anyone given his best friend, Mason, had the same thing done to him. So I don't think Woods would just tow the line and not call out Case being Bell.
I guess my question is, why didn’t Adler know of the cradle before. He knew of the facility, because of Mk Ultra things, but not this chemical.
Unless you make the argument that he’s an unreliable narrator/is omitting something.
Or that Adler was asked to send in Bell to be observed, due to their mission success in Cold War, and from there, he knows nothing which happened to take place there.
To me, this is why Adler has a visitor pass. Because he’s merely a visitor, I don’t think the ending scene of Cold War is fake, per se. But probably him tranq gunning bell, to be sent over.
Actually I thought this too it Adler knew his brainwashing isn’t perfect so he takes him to the lab he worked at and what do you know that lab just so happened to have the cradle
As a side note, shouldn't Park, Sims and Woods be able to recognize or realize Case as Bell. And if so, wouldn't they object to this treatment of someone who proved themselves plus sacrificed it all and had their backs even after finding out the truth. Park Especially in certain choices in Cold War (MI6 background).
A bit of plastic surgery and supersoldier drugs.. hell, regular drugs alone could do a number on one’s appearance.
@UP51L I was thinking that, but it seems too convenient. Plus, the voice and certain ticks should tip them off like British Accent, Cryptography, Etc.
Figured few things would still remain from Cold War to make them suspicious
@ we don’t really know any of Bell or Cases mannerisms nor how much is and isn’t lined in black ink. From the video, it seems Adler is essentially their case carrier. If he knows how to brainwash effectively, surely he can make a Brazilian out of a Norwegian.
I’d like to see a deep dive into the question of “is the cradle aetherium?” Or if it’s all just reusing assets
If bell is case. Adler would be dead. CW ending had a gunshot at the end. So if bell is case Adler should be dead. I doubt they would try to shoot each other then when they miss call it a day
Unless as I explained in the video it was a implanted memory, considering there are no Cliffsides in solovetsky (where the last mission takes place) where was bell shot?
I always thought the reason as to why we nearly killed the guy at adlers request was simply cause of cracks in our mentality.
Like the cradle starts taking effect again and we become more violent (as was intendet)
I think Case’s reaction to Adler telling him to dispose of the guy is because Case’s adrenaline is running. The super soldier effect left Case unstable, leaving him prone to fits of rage. Maybe Case thinks about how brutal this is gonna be, and he knows this doctor had something to do with the Cradle, so he’s thrilled to get revenge.
Also remember what he's told as part of his brainwashing, he can't reveal any secrets or talk about The Cradle or anything that went down there, him reacting like that would be him silencing someone who could expose it, going against his programming
It will be funny that this one is going to be Ghost in the future. But who knows, secret identity is something.
I agree with this theory, and my main question is how old is Case/Bell, because usually in fiction super soldiers are created at a very young age. My guess is that Case/Bell is 28 in bo6 and he was 18 in Cold War, and he was born in 1963, I could be wrong but it’s just a hypothesis
Case is Liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid.
It couldn’t be because Adler would recognize bell but he didn’t so it’s not bell
Why would Adler admit he knew case, if he told him he could retrigger bells memory’s, if he had brainwashed him to forget what happened in Cold War
Why would he tell bell/case about his previous identity and risk having him relapse
Is this like the time when people theorized that Ghost was Alex before MW2 came out?
So i have a theory that the womans voice in Cases head IS Bell and its more like because of the experimentation Case "inherited" Bell or perhaps Bell is "Born again" by "The cradle" having Case and Bell merge minds essentially. Thats why alot of the monster's case sees bear a resemblance to Adler and why theres still a hint of brain washing from Adler bleeding over into Case
The woman voice is cases head was Jane. No?
At the end don’t the voices stop and you hear harrow saying: “I understand now, you don’t have to do this case”
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@@sop1918No you hear both voices at the same time as you're killing her, the Cradle you're smashing over her head makes her personality shift while he's killing her
@ I watched it multiple times, at first the voice and her speak at the same time, after that the voice stops talking but she continues, without her mouth actually moving.
In addition the voice sounds similar to the evil Harrow in the weird flashback mission
during cold war I was adamant bell was stitch cause of the feud with Adler and the missing eye
I like when adler gets a headshot on a zombie he says "mind If I call you bell?"
Perhaps that and scene in cold war was more of a metaphor than it being real. Bell being brainwashed again and Adler killing his psyche again.
It would also make sense seeing the way the team reacted during events that were life threatening being so bland. Noone seemed worried when Case fell into the elevator shaft or when the chopper went down.
The bullet in Bells forehead: 🧍♀️
Interesting how everyone is so ok with all this. Like woods and marshal. I always wondered whether mason and woods knew the truth about bell in Cold War. But meeting case after already working with bell, surely the man must know something is up.
Pretty sure the weird effect his a schizophrenic personality and it’s why he tired to kill the scientist not becuase he was ordered by Adler too but becuase he has a deep psychological disorder and it makes him wanna kill the pantheon. We don’t see Adler use any orders on him and Adler isn’t always around cas. But it’s a cool theory
Its an interesting theory for sure, and You admitted that They are an different person, cause well Harrow for sure wouldn't have known Bell, and She seems to know Case in a personal way, it's shame We didn't get to hear Case is voice, which I think it's nip picking...but Case just seems to be an guy that is just there...wished They gave Him more importance cause Case felt pretty stale.
I got the feeling we'll know for sure in the next Black Ops game taking place after Black Ops 2! We'll see an old man Adler, and a main character who happens to be Bell and Case, and at the end, we have a choice to kill Adler or not.
Interesting theory. But there are a couple of points. First Bell can be both a girl and a guy with different skin colour, in theory we don't know what exactly the canonical appearance of Bell is. Second I personally tend to think that Bell and Case are two different characters as I don't remember Bell having a tattoo on his forearm. Third
The rosette of these two characters is completely different, which may tell us that they are two different characters. Hopefully in the first season of Black ops 6 we will be given more information.
i was legit thinking the same thing since the timing and adler matched up.
Well not only this is plausible but also in one of the missions Adler talks about bell (bellikov)
“Do not trust Adler, Adler is lying to you”
Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember a scene talking about how the first people to be tested on by the cradle were actually a pair of brothers, one given the cradle through inhalation and the other through injections so case and bell could be brothers but again this is just my stupid memory after playing the campaign once
Bell and Case are both code names which refer to the player character, no other person has codenames so its possible aswell
So nice to see lady Park again.
What about bell's gender? You can choose it in cold war, but in bo6 case is specifically a male, so having the option to choose a female bell would directly prove that they cant be the same person (unless the tests involved changing bell's gender idk)
Well, CW gave you plenty of choices, but still picked a specific choice to be the "canon" version for Black Ops 6; namely whether you save Helen Park.
It's not too unreasonable they'd pick a "canon gender" a few years after CW came out.
IMO, choices like that aren't really meant to mean anything, it's just to make you feel more in control of the game you're playing at the time.
That'd be so funny, cuz that would make them:
A Perseus operative
Brainwashed into CIA
Kinda released but kept in line
Brainwashed to forget
Tuned into Case One
Brainwashed into CIA (again)
Turned back into a Cradle supersoldier at the very end of BO6
I think he gad the effect when he was gonna kill the guy by the plane because it's the cradle making him violent, he had that effect when killing harrow
Hi i have a question i hope you can answer it and really dont mind answering it
My question is not related to case or bell tho but rather Perseus..are Perseus and pantheon the same? Is pantheon filled with Perseus members?
You know to this day i still dont understand what really became of Perseus
Counterpoint: Woods would've immediately identified Case as Bell in the BO6 campaign??
Why would he risk case having a regression into bell by saying he’s bell why wouldn’t he just keep the secret as to not jeopardize cases work
@@IceBurgZ and why would woods trust case then? they were already in a position where everyone can't be trusted what if case accidentally regress during a mission why would woods allow it considering the odds?
"Case is Bell" no matter the fact that Bell was a member of pegasus and Case was literally created by the C.I.A with the gas as a super soldier...
It's literally the complete opposite of Bell, but yeah, COD fans are unable to put one and one together...
Thanks, I can tell you didn’t watch the video! But thank you for the comment nonetheless
Case is 100% a male, with bell you could pick the gender, wouldnt make sense to have character whose gender you can choose and then bring the character back but have them now be a fixed gender. The whole point of bell was purely to stop perseus, adler really didnt have any reason to keep him around
I think Adler took Bell to the KGB Safehouse in Bulgaria to kill him. Also, wouldn't Woods be aware of what Bell looked like?
Tiene lógica tu vídeo y pienso lo mismo. Creo que Case es Bell y en la campaña de Black Ops Cold War Adler ya daba indicios de que le iban a dar una nueva identidad a Bell. Bell y Case cuando están en efecto de la droga ven zombies entonces es muy posible que hubiera sucedido sucesos de zombies antes de 1983 y después de 1945. También en la campaña de Black Ops 6 se hace mucha referencia a los sucesos de 1981 en CW pero se hace mucha mención indirecta de Bell. El lugar de emergencia es el lugar en donde se creo la personalidad de Bell y posteriormente de Case. Es obvio que Bell ahora es Case y que los antiguos miembros del equipo de Adler fijan que no conocen a Case. Creo que hay algo muy oculto e importante que tiene Case y es muy seguro esta vinculado con la cicatriz de Adler. Saludos desde Argentina.
He has the affect happen with the scientist because they said the cradle makes you more aggressive
What about Woods? Woods worked with Bell and he also worked with Case. Wonder if he knows something