My main issue of this episode was that when he got to the royal quarters there are literally no guards anywhere. They waltz into the most secure place in the country and straight into the queens chamber.
Actually, the royal quarter are suppose to be watched by the King's guard. It was Criston Cole night, he went drinking with Aemon and then when to fuck. He wasn't guarding. Question is where were the other guards.
Yeah thats what i what thinking too, they've done child unalivings in got before but never knife to neck type shit, not that i remember atleast, and who the hell wants to see that shit anyway? he pulled that criticism out of his ass trynna remain the harsh critic persona lmao
@@manueltoloza6007 A guy got his tongue sawed off with a burning knife last season and the series showed that uncensored, and the last episode of season 1 showed Rhaenyra pulling a miscarried child out of herself, so I wouldn't have put it against the series to show the child get killed. (I'd like to note that I'm absolutely fine with them not showing it, because it made sense in terms of Haelena walking away before it happened. But honestly the whole thing was much darker in the book since she and the children saw everything)
@@m.smassey564 yeah i remember those but cant tell me theyre at the level of child behading mate, i've seen real life ones and they are some of the hardest to see, and to a fkn child? has that ever even happend in the history of cinema? cause i cant remember it happening, nor a public backlash about it wich is exactly what would happen if they dared put that on tv. Its an unrealistic expetation
They’re totally going to show the prince who we thought got chomped lol. They only show the clothes so I think cause he hit the water those fishermen found him but ran off with him, as they may have seen the attack and figured the bigger dragon was coming back to finish him 😂
Correction: In the book Aegon and Helaena have two sons: Jaehaerys and Maelor. In the book Blood & Cheese make Haelena choose which son to be killed, not to choose between Jaehaerys and his twin sister Jaehaera. Helaena chooses Maelor because he's younger and not the heir but Blood and Cheese kill Jaehaerys.
Yeah, and just before the kill, they say to the one she pointed out: "Look likes mommy doesn't like you." Which is bound to leave an even bigger trauma on the kid.
Plus the other stuff that can't be mentioned on youtube. The books are brutal, but I guess the period it's based of was brutal. Even tho so much in these shows is from ancient Rome.
They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
There are three kids in the book, in the show the third youngest son is not born yet. She chose the youngest son in the book because she thought he is too young too understand, but they ignored her and killed the heir instead. The show runner said they cut the youngest son because he’s not really big in the books and they did too many time jumps.
@@jackboy2413They hate him already. They’ve been waiting 2 years for other people to hate him. I actually like watching the characters on both sides act their socks off
Seeing Cheese in the background of Aegon's petitions was cool. Also the painting on the wall during the infiltration where you see a dragon burning down the red keep was interesting.
I disagree with Joe on the title music. It's like the Star Wars theme, it's iconic and let's hope that this Universe never gets dragged to the lows of Mouse Wars.
Agreed but they stated before that theme will only be for Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. The other shows will have their own theme. That could change but that is what they said.
I agree with everything they said, but what are you talking about Alex? They have never and cannot show a little child getting his head cut off and it was obvious from the sound they We’re cutting his head off as a brutal as a show can be they can’t show that shit
Even in Game of Thrones they didn't show it either. During the montage of the slaughtering of Robert's bastards, they also just imply through sound, but never explicitly show children being brutally slaughtered.
there was a part when the rat catcher asked "What if we can't find him?" you don't see Daemond's reply, but later Blood says "He said a son for a son" ( and by that I can assume he meant a King's son for the Queen's son)
At first I was mad and confused by the rat catcher, I was like "that's clearly not who he wanted dead" then I remembered the rat catcher asked, "what if we can't find him?". Later Blood says "He said a son for a son" (meaning a King's son for a Queen's son)
In the show they ask daemon “what if we don’t find him” daemon looks at them then the camera cuts away. When we get back to blood & cheese they say “remember what he said a son for a son”.
I’m just sad Paddy Considine as Viserys is now going to be absent from the series. He carried TF out of Season 1 (not that the other performances weren’t good, but his was just INCREDIBLE).
Let’s talk about B&C specifically (That’s the name of the two guys who killed Aegon’s son if you’re a non book reader who didn’t have subtitles on): The whole reason why B&C is an iconic scene in the source material isn’t because of child murder, it’s because Helaena was sadistically tortured by Cheese and forced to pick between one of her sons with the only alternative being all her children, her mother and herself dying. And even when she tries to pick the younger, they kill the other one anyway with the intention of making him and Helaena remember she picked him to die. But in this version, they don’t even need her. Why don’t they kill them both? Or check to be sure? If they’re capable of going this far, why not go all the way? If the point isn’t to mentally scar Helaena as well, why even bother doing including her in the scene? It’s just a muted mistranslation of what was one of the most scarring and horrific moments in this entire saga. I wasn’t expecting them to show the killing blow but at least show Helaena plead for their lives, throw herself in their place, beg them to try anything else in the desperate hope of saving her children’s lives. But instead she just gives her son up for death immediately after trying to pawn off a necklace didn’t work, which weirdly only makes Helaena look worse in a scene that’s supposed that be the most sympathetic you can possibly feel for her given what she’s going through. I wasn’t expecting a literal recreation of the book scene but if you’re not willing to try and emulate the drama and horror of the moment, why even bother putting it in at all?
Wow didn't know that but what you just described sounds WAY better than what they did. Not like the show was bad but damn what you described sounds so much better.
I kinda think that whole scene would be hard to pull off without anyone hearing the torture no? I didn't read the book so i dont know the setup but how could all that happen in this context without half the castle hearing it?
Nah, nobody is forgetting how much of a demon he is. This part is just him trying to appeal to the common people since the only family he truly has is Aemond.
The only stupid part about the episode is there are literally zero guards guarding the king's kids. That was plain dumb. They could have wiped the whole royal family except for Aegon. Solid episode tho
Only four Kingsguard left, they passed by all the regular guards with the tunnels to enter Maegor's Holdfast which is apperently only accesible to royals, servants and kingsguard? (This is the only way it isnt completely stupid as you say). And two kingsguard by King Aegon, and Criston Cole being distracted leaving one guard I think, should be at least as three Kingsguard have just defected/run away. Still think this should be a major thing to adress in the next episode for why the QUEEN and the King's children didnt have a single guard with them.
Honestly wasn't that impressed for the first episode. People were hyping it up like it was going to be something huge. I still can't wait for the rest of the show to progress though
Really did not like no gaurds being outside of the queen and heirs room. You always have seen gaurds outside of rooms on this show and GOT for anyone near that important. They may be able to justify with Cole being the one supposed to be gaurding it but I hope it is addressed in the next episode.
i think it also has to do with the greens being overconfident due to Aemond's massive dragon (don't remember its name) - still a bit too much to be completely plausible but it helps a bit
My man Alex wanted a single take shot of the beheading in full frame 🤣 bro said they pg-13’d it as if they would actually show a child being beheaded. The other murdered children like Robert’s bastards died the same way, camera cut away before the actual kill.
Yes you can only kill white grown man in front of camera (like Ned Stark or Jon Snow) but that's the time we living in if you haven't noticed. But i remember from main GoT show that Stannis death was done this way and I liked this character and actor so for me it was better this way.
@lukeyu7086 sorry to burst your safe space echo chamber bubble however that very same show also killed off Ygritte in front of the camera, as well as Melisandre and even Danaerys
They really made Aegon super likeable imo. Like, I totally get him. He was told his entire life that the throne he's supposed to inheret won't go to him, so he's basically like "fuck it, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I wanna do instead" when really the thing he always wanted was for his father to love him enough to give him the throne like he loved his daughter. So when he got the throne, he had a hard time believing it was actually happening. But now that he has it, he's well suited for it. He seems to have made a complete 180, and genuinely wants to make a difference. He seems to love his kids, and loves his sister, he seems to love being king and he has friends. He's practically sprawling all over the same throne that killed his dad, like the throne itself is accepting Aegon. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next, I'm super curious how Aegon reacts. Game of Thrones IS BACK BABY!
@@ovahlord1451 Absolutely. This is the complex nature of well written characters. You can like a vile piece of shit because he demonstrates human qualities like loving his children. It's fiction. It's story telling. It's fun to explore characters as if you're a fly on the wall. It's entertainment. If this was real life, I wouldn't say the same thing about someone because it's real crimes against real people and at that point, I don't give a shit if they love their kids. THIS IS ALSO KNOWN AS: Nuance.
@@ovahlord1451besides that. I mean Jamie pushed a kid out a tower and we still like him. Tyrion raped someone in the books and we still kinda of like him.
There is Interview with the vampire out there too - and it's second season is FANTASTIC! Given that it's also part of an entire multi show shared universe - and the insane gore and horror elements they managed to air - I'm surprised you guys AREN'T covering it!
I just wonder why the White Walkers were a sort of discovery in GoT to the point of having to capture one when Cregan Stark knew 200 years before what they were fighting for real beyond the wall. I mean why do they lose that knowledge? Don't they have maesters up there?
The reason why the show deviates from the book in some areas. Is because the book is written from the POV of Maesters. For example, we know Daemon dies, but his body is never recovered and there's doubt he's even dead at all. We'll probably see what really happened to him in the show.
Indeed. "Fire and Blood" is written from the perspective of a meister writing around 100 years after the fact. Who is himself relying on accounts from two unreliable narrators, both of which have biases towards the greens and the blacks respectively. And also aren't present for many of the events they write about. Martin really pulled off how to write a mock mediaeval chronicle. But of course the show is able to show us exactly what happened, without undermining the source material by it's nature. Interestingly, at the end of season 1, there's the confrontation at Storms End. And that, uniquely, is replicated almost word for word in the show. Because it took place under the eyes of dozens of witnesses who could all corroborate exactly what happened, and what was said. That was a really nice touch!
Although I think it's quite unlikely that Damon survives... One of the main takeaways in the dance of dragons, is the dragon on dragon combat is basically a suicide mission! There ain't no ejector seats on those saddles😅
While morally reprehensible, if Aegon is down to just a daughter, then this might have been a cannon shot to Green unity. Aegon has to either be a hypocrite and declare his daughter his heir, or make Aemond his heir. The disagreement will cause them to fragment.
I call BS on blood and cheese no checking the kid’s pants for which is a boy and a girl. You’re gonna go off of her word? Why would you not take 5 seconds to check for the boy?
I hate when he does that. It genuinely makes it hard to watch his reviews at times. Has he even read the book? Or does he just kind of read summaries then report it back to us? I feel like he tries to give more insight into the creative process behind adapting the book to TV, but he doesn’t fully understand/remember events from the book, so the insight falls flat. He just ends up spoiling plot points without adding anything of value to the conversation.
Do you think Joe has the time or the patience to read books this complex? I'm not so sure. And, it is unfortunate when he spews out spoilers while doing the non spoiler sections of his reviews. I still love the channel I just wish he could be more mindful about that but I think he's just excited and can't help himself at times.
there was two sons in the book, she chose the younger brother which is the one that was whispered to "your mother wants you dead boy." and then kills the older sibling.
In the book Aegon, and Helaena have a second son. Helaena chose the younger on to die, but they killed Jaehaerys instead. Maelore was the name of the younger son.
I think he's just better at criticism than the Joe's. He ALWAYS has very valid arguments and his analysis' always bring up points that may be overlooked by the Joe's. Subtle elements that may not be picked up by the typical viewer or the Joes, Alex always notices and bring attention to them. He's just clearly more detail oriented while the Joe's focus more on the overarching or obvious plots.
Ya, I was sure it was him as well, but I had to pause the episode so I could look it up online. He definitely put on some weight to portray this character, but the voice and excellent execution with his acting certainly hasn't changed at all.
I think Jacaerys flew to Winterfell then went on horseback with three starks to the wall. I could be tripping but I didn’t see his dragon at all there. I forget if the eeyrie deal was before or after the starks but I think before. That may be why the dragon may have actually never even flown to Winterfell
I think the intro song brings me back to "omg new game of thrones episode!!" every single time. I hope they use it for all series from this universe :D just my opinion of course.
this is one of my biggest complaints with modern tv shows. they give us very little episodes and then we gotta wait 2 years or more for another season. that defeats the purpose of how tv supposed to be structured.
@@Justyn_Lim_ I’ve watched plenty of shows they gave both quality and quantity. That was literally how tv was set up before everybody decided to follow Netflix way of doing things. Straight up every show was 15 or more episodes and at most they took a break for the holiday season and then the rest of the season aired. Then later that year the next season came. Now you get 8 episodes that are supposed to be an hour, but some are barely 30 minutes. Then they take a 2 year break and you almost forget about the show
You people complain about waiting, but than you'll be the first to cry about rushed stories and unpolished CGI. You want quality? Than you have to wait. Two years for 8 hours of film is a good pace, considering the quality. Man, ppl cry about everything these days, Grow up, man
@@Tekuto1 again, it’s defeating the purpose of tv. Tv should be consumed over a more drawn out story. Instead because everything is only 8 or 10 episodes. Now character arcs are much shorter or skipped entirely. Basically these shows are just long movies at this point which isn’t what tv is supposed to be
*The episode wasn’t bad* but I was underwhelmed. Nothing gripped me (No J-Cole) like the opening did with the dialogue at ‘The Wall’ the Blood and Cheese stuff could’ve been better too.
Also the show and the boooks treat scorpions differently. Because in the books it still takes a 1 in a million shot in the eye to take down a dragon with a scorpion
Alex is proof that it's best to watch shows knowing as little as possible context as possible otherwise you get fixated on weird stuff like wanting to see more gruesome dead kids. It's better to just enjoy and not know alternate things that happened in other media.
Was anyone else confused by the Helena’s reaction to her son just getting beheaded? She had the reaction as if she didn’t know the kid and then says “they got the boy”. Idk, just seemed a little off there
Pretty sure she has visions of the future like bran and shes somewhat mentally impaired, at the start of the episode she says shes afraid of rats to aegon, and aegon says something along the lines of her being unique in an interesting way
She has dragon dreams, but she has no idea what she’s seeing for the most part. It’s interesting too that her father wasn’t more interested in her because he was really into dragon dreams and the prophecies of those dreams.
Even as someone who read the books, that last scene fucked me up as a father of a four year old. Just the sound Jaehaerys made when they covered his mouth and the look of helplessness right before they killed him just flipped my stomach, and then when you hear the sound effects afterwards, it turned. When I went to bed I actually just snuck into our son’s room and held him a little tighter while he slept. Still a great episode though. We are back baby!
The only character that i actually enjoy are Aegon. Are we supposed to not really like any of the characters? I mean in season 1 of original GoT we all became traumatized by Ned's death. There's not one character that even comes close to that sort of feeling here.
I love Alex, I also hate Alex. It wasn't 2 days from j leaving dragonstone for the riverlands and winterfell. Unless he just assumes ravens are also able to fly from dragonstone to winter fell in 2 days. Which has never been established. Classic GOT "information takes a long time to travel" alicent said she sent the note to rhynaera. So add a few days, plus a month(based on GOT timeline) and yeah, jaherys grew up. Not including I'm surprised read the book and didn't mention they hung out in winter fell for months.
Even leaving the disappointing rendition of B&C and the butchering of Alicent and Criston’s characters by having them hook up, this was just a very dry season premiere. Aegon was surprisingly the highlight, being the only character having any fun while everyone else is either too sad or too depressed about the war. His genuine sympathy for the smallfolk was surprisingly endearing, given how he was portrayed in S1, and this is what I wanted to see out of this character- a King who was a chauvinistic prick, but also sympathetic and understandable. I really have a feeling Tom will be the standout actor this season. Rhaenyra is another standout. She says one line but what Emma portrays in saying nothing else is far more powerful, the scene where she comforts Jace her son while he’s trying to be Prince Jacaerys mirroring Daemon’s earlier comment about the mother/queen was so moving and touching. I really did enjoy that. But while all the other scenes were serviceable, but none really impacted me. Daemon’s scenes were fine, Otto’s scenes were fine, but it felt like retreading a lot of ground we’ve already been through with not much new being added. I don’t know if you could cut any of it necessarily but it definitely felt like a lot of it could have been improved. Especially Cregan Stark’s actor, holy fuck what were they thinking going with that voice? 💀 The acting was terrible, the voice doesn’t match and the dialogue was stilted as hell. And why were they on the Wall instead of Winterfell? Such a strange, strange scene to open the episode on. Overall, a lot of good stuff here but still feels lacking in comparison to what it could have been.
Daemon would’ve had a huge high light if he ordered blood and cheese intentionally For me alicent and Criston Cole where bigger disappointment then blood and cheese The episode is good when it supposed to be one the best episodes
He did say kill *Aemond Targaryen* and even described him. 😬 Cheese asks, "What if we can't find him?" And the camera cuts away from Daemon, and we don't get an answer.
I hate that type of writing. Cut away before someone answers. It's so fucking lazy. Some dipshit in a film school told a bunch of students to do this like 10 years ago and now every fucking show does this. REEEE
I'm sure someone mentioned it, but in the book there are 3 kids, 2 boys and the girl. They made Helena choose between the two boys. And in the books Allicent was in that same room
10:00 GRRM is the one of the lead writers and producers of HotD. All the changes are literally run by him. Furthermore, since youre quoting him. He's literally said the books is a history book and books are often wrong. The story goes down a game of telephone and by the time it gets documented, it isnt the same. He goes on to give examples of historic buildings and trying to find out the height of them and that proven to be impossible. I'd also appreciate if Joe didnt slip in "this is going to happen in the future" stuff. It's annoying. Keep spoilers in the confines of the episode... you know... respecting your audience?
I’m sure George would go back and write a way shittier and boring conflict started by three stooges slapstick with race swapped Valyrians if he could. Definitely not just accepting a check like he already did on Game of Thrones.
Are ppl really saying that they pulled their punches because they did not show a lil kids head being cut off? Really?? Even in the og GOT the episode when they kill the bastards they do no show when they slit the baby's throat. I dunno why anyone needed to see a kids head being sawed off, just hearing the sound was enough for me.
You are making strawman argument here. People dont want to see brutal child death. They wanted to see what happens before the death. The Helena's choice is the reason why the scene is so memorable.
@MarkusBartus how much more memorable do you need the scene to be lol. It's funny to me that a scene where a kid gets decapitated isn't memorable enough lol. You have to see the emotional torture of his mother too lol. I feel like the scene had enough impact, did it deviate from the books yes, but you can't tell me this was not a scene that wasn't important and memorable. We literally heard a child head being severed .
If I remember correctly, the book and fire blood is written from the perspective of a green supporter so it would make sense that they would change the history in the universe to have it where Rhaenyra always intended on, killing Aegons sons, rather than going, after Aemond. makes her look more evil and cruel from an in universe perspective.
This is stupid cope used to defend the show from all criticism related to being different from the book. 99% of the book should be taken at face value and only several very specific moments have any ambiguity or multiple possibilities that could have happened. Even then, there’s almost always a direction that the book is leaning when it comes to what most likely happened in those few situations.
Very specific events have multiple accounts described but as far as I recall, in every single instance the text is favoring one of the accounts or sometimes parts of each account combined. 99% of the book is stated matter of factly including many things the show has completely changed so this bullshit propaganda needs to die.
30:40 Otto was probably going to say something about needing to reserve payment until services are conplete to ENSURE that they are completed in a timely manner. Not stupid imo
I was under the impression that Daemon would be the one to be killing Aemon not send some assassins to do it. But I mean if the books does it then I don't really have anything to complain, but I just think his character would be the one to personally get his hands dirty.
Cos they know they’re about to get 6 seconds into an interesting take - just for Joe to cut them off. I get it’s his show - but I’m sorry Alex is more interesting than he is during reviews.
@@firstlast9846 they’ve talked about this before they are good friends. This is the dynamic of the show and they enjoy it if they felt like they weren’t being heard and didn’t wanna be there. They wouldn’t be there.
Imo, not showing the kids death is sorta scarier in my head. One of those tricks where not seeing it makes you picture it worse in your head. Kinda thought the red keep would be a tad bit more guarded though, unless its due to war time and men are spread then.
Thank you for saying it Joe. Everytime the original GoT intro music starts playing, I cant help but to feel like they made a mistake. We all recognize it as the same universe but HOTD has its own distinct flavor. It DESERVES its own theme music!
I’m just sad that Alex used to be an awesome get when he joined but his negativity and general whining about everything has really taken me out of this channel
I think the seriousness if the situation could have been portrayed better. In the book it's so much worse, the suspense wasn't as prominent as it could have been. Compared to the source material.
They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
changing the theme would be a mistake, its iconic at this point and gives you the feeling youre in the same universe right away. also its a great piece of music. i hope they use it in all the coming shows in Westeros
They killed the one she pointed at. Also, the kids were at sleep so they wouldn't know who the mom pointed at, so no future grudges. Joe read the book and got confused between the show and the book.
The fact that the family has no guards watching them and doors are just open is stupid especially when they are at war and don't trust people around them
No they were looking for a son in the books too. Helena has 3 kids in the book , two boys and a girl . They make Helena choose which one of the boys to kill and she chooses the youngest one who isn’t the heir apparent. Instead they kill the older one and then taunt the younger one that his momma wanted him dead and escape taunting the younger one that
They did though. They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
Well they wanted to use Jace real hair instead of putting him in one of those hair pieces. I agree with that change because his hair looks good and you can tell it's real.
@@vexmyth0clast lol. First you Are taöking about show. And then pull put you havent read the books😁 decide If you want to talk about books or show buddy.. yes i have not read books about House of dragon, If iy helps you sleep.
Everyone had a great father's day except for Aegon
He did too. That thing was past midnight, so technically it wasn't father's day anymore
my dads dead
Well Rudeus Greyrat didn't have a good father's day either.
@@thomasalmond5299😂
Maegor had a great day, too. Not being in the show saved him a lot of trauma.
My main issue of this episode was that when he got to the royal quarters there are literally no guards anywhere. They waltz into the most secure place in the country and straight into the queens chamber.
Pretty sure kristan Cole was supposed to be on guard and instead he was fuxking the queen mother
Yeah i just watched and was like, what?
They could have cleaned most of the royalty in one blow
Actually, the royal quarter are suppose to be watched by the King's guard. It was Criston Cole night, he went drinking with Aemon and then when to fuck. He wasn't guarding. Question is where were the other guards.
@@jdpc9391 That's a good point, good catch Criston Cole was to busy getting it on with the queen.
They went through the walls and secret tunnels in the books to get to the room with them, not just walking around lol
Cole is the worst lord commander the kingsguard has ever seen, instead of protecting the heir, he was "servicing" the Queen mother...
Can you blame him
@@dogsbreakfast4952 yes, yes we can
@@woodwyrm no, Alicent is mami
Continued to be a shitty kingsguard afterwards too
Because he's her guardian, that's why you see him protecting her door
What is Alex talking about them pulling back? They aren't going to show a child getting his head sawed off. The sound effect was more than enough
Yeah thats what i what thinking too, they've done child unalivings in got before but never knife to neck type shit, not that i remember atleast, and who the hell wants to see that shit anyway? he pulled that criticism out of his ass trynna remain the harsh critic persona lmao
@@manueltoloza6007 A guy got his tongue sawed off with a burning knife last season and the series showed that uncensored, and the last episode of season 1 showed Rhaenyra pulling a miscarried child out of herself, so I wouldn't have put it against the series to show the child get killed. (I'd like to note that I'm absolutely fine with them not showing it, because it made sense in terms of Haelena walking away before it happened. But honestly the whole thing was much darker in the book since she and the children saw everything)
@@m.smassey564 yeah i remember those but cant tell me theyre at the level of child behading mate, i've seen real life ones and they are some of the hardest to see, and to a fkn child? has that ever even happend in the history of cinema? cause i cant remember it happening, nor a public backlash about it wich is exactly what would happen if they dared put that on tv. Its an unrealistic expetation
He hates everything
He did clarify that's not what he wanted. He went into further detail about it but I guess you raced to the comments without a second thought right?
They really did that to the little King's kid on father's day lol
😂 I didn't even notice that
It was past midnight. So no longer father's day
@@charroboo Maybe for you lol. It was 9pm est
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They’re totally going to show the prince who we thought got chomped lol. They only show the clothes so I think cause he hit the water those fishermen found him but ran off with him, as they may have seen the attack and figured the bigger dragon was coming back to finish him 😂
It’s funny how blood and cheese are willing to saw a kids head off but checking to see which is the boy is crossing the line 😂
Correction: In the book Aegon and Helaena have two sons: Jaehaerys and Maelor. In the book Blood & Cheese make Haelena choose which son to be killed, not to choose between Jaehaerys and his twin sister Jaehaera. Helaena chooses Maelor because he's younger and not the heir but Blood and Cheese kill Jaehaerys.
Yeah, and just before the kill, they say to the one she pointed out: "Look likes mommy doesn't like you." Which is bound to leave an even bigger trauma on the kid.
Plus the other stuff that can't be mentioned on youtube. The books are brutal, but I guess the period it's based of was brutal. Even tho so much in these shows is from ancient Rome.
Don’t care
@@Sixeye_ This other stuff, you mean when Blood spent some quality time with six year old Jaehaera? Talking about that?
@@Greendalewitchhe didn’t but that was a threat made by Cheese to make Helena choose
Henceforth the Crown hired Cats instead of Ratcatchers. It is known.
And all ratcatchers were killed. :')
this is the way
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Btw. We didn't see Janos Slynt kill that baby in the original GoT. It was also off-screen.
They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
Other Joe: 8
Alex: 8
Angry Joe: 8
House of the dragon is the most 8 show of all time. Not a bad thing but a thing none the less.
It deserves 9 lowkey
IGN : 7
IGN : 7
@@antonhallergren588Tren?
Actually they were both boys, in the book she pointed at the youngest one. They instead went for the older child, while taunting the mother.
No that was his twin sister.
They’ve cut out his younger brother who was a baby in the books
@@Jdjdjdujakzgsha he was clearly talking about the book
There are three kids in the book, in the show the third youngest son is not born yet. She chose the youngest son in the book because she thought he is too young too understand, but they ignored her and killed the heir instead. The show runner said they cut the youngest son because he’s not really big in the books and they did too many time jumps.
Im fine if Daemon takes a back seat to the green brothers. I really want aegon in particular to earn his place amongst the rest of the characters.
I don’t understand how in the first episode people are already willing to just have their opinion on Daemon when it literally just started
@@jackboy2413plus he literally didn’t take a “back seat” he was very prominent this episode 😂
@@jackboy2413They hate him already. They’ve been waiting 2 years for other people to hate him. I actually like watching the characters on both sides act their socks off
Seeing Cheese in the background of Aegon's petitions was cool. Also the painting on the wall during the infiltration where you see a dragon burning down the red keep was interesting.
Might be foreshadowing for the battles to come or also a little hint/easter egg of the future (GoT season 8)
Those paintings on the walls are of the Targaryen's history.
That wasn't the Red Keep, that was Aegon the Conqueror burning down Harrenhal.
I disagree with Joe on the title music. It's like the Star Wars theme, it's iconic and let's hope that this Universe never gets dragged to the lows of Mouse Wars.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
"Mouse Wars" lol. Good name
Agreed but they stated before that theme will only be for Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. The other shows will have their own theme. That could change but that is what they said.
Joe be smokin dat crizakkk I swear.
Nah it needs its own identity, even if it’s marginally different.
Alex is wrong here…which is a rare thing to say. They are cutting a kid’s Fing head off…
The sound if the knife cutting through the kids flesh was.... something else....
I agree with everything they said, but what are you talking about Alex? They have never and cannot show a little child getting his head cut off and it was obvious from the sound they We’re cutting his head off as a brutal as a show can be they can’t show that shit
Yeah he's wild of he thinks they would show that
@@Ketchup_and_Mustard373 they rarely show that type of shit on gore websites, let alone a fucking mainstream show lmfaooo
@@Gradymeister exactly even a adult getting decapitated, let alone a child lol
Yea I didn’t want or need to see that 😂
Even in Game of Thrones they didn't show it either. During the montage of the slaughtering of Robert's bastards, they also just imply through sound, but never explicitly show children being brutally slaughtered.
"he does actually said to go and kill the prince ??? wtf what show did you watch ? he literally told him " silver hair one eye must be easy to find "
He's talking about the book
there was a part when the rat catcher asked "What if we can't find him?" you don't see Daemond's reply, but later Blood says "He said a son for a son" ( and by that I can assume he meant a King's son for the Queen's son)
At first I was mad and confused by the rat catcher, I was like "that's clearly not who he wanted dead" then I remembered the rat catcher asked, "what if we can't find him?". Later Blood says "He said a son for a son" (meaning a King's son for a Queen's son)
He also said if you can’t find him take another
In the show they ask daemon “what if we don’t find him” daemon looks at them then the camera cuts away. When we get back to blood & cheese they say “remember what he said a son for a son”.
Allyn was in raised by wolves and also voiced Bayek in ac origins. Love to see him in this show
Father!
Ew
Way too old for the character though tbh I think. He’s supposed to be a good friend of one of the eventual rulers who’s a baby in this episode
I’m just sad Paddy Considine as Viserys is now going to be absent from the series.
He carried TF out of Season 1 (not that the other performances weren’t good, but his was just INCREDIBLE).
Yes but maybe there will be some flashback scene with him at least we can hope for it.
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Yea, that’s true, I guess.
But in terms of the PRESENT NARRATIVE, I don’t expect him much or at all.
Let’s talk about B&C specifically (That’s the name of the two guys who killed Aegon’s son if you’re a non book reader who didn’t have subtitles on):
The whole reason why B&C is an iconic scene in the source material isn’t because of child murder, it’s because Helaena was sadistically tortured by Cheese and forced to pick between one of her sons with the only alternative being all her children, her mother and herself dying. And even when she tries to pick the younger, they kill the other one anyway with the intention of making him and Helaena remember she picked him to die.
But in this version, they don’t even need her. Why don’t they kill them both? Or check to be sure? If they’re capable of going this far, why not go all the way? If the point isn’t to mentally scar Helaena as well, why even bother doing including her in the scene?
It’s just a muted mistranslation of what was one of the most scarring and horrific moments in this entire saga. I wasn’t expecting them to show the killing blow but at least show Helaena plead for their lives, throw herself in their place, beg them to try anything else in the desperate hope of saving her children’s lives. But instead she just gives her son up for death immediately after trying to pawn off a necklace didn’t work, which weirdly only makes Helaena look worse in a scene that’s supposed that be the most sympathetic you can possibly feel for her given what she’s going through.
I wasn’t expecting a literal recreation of the book scene but if you’re not willing to try and emulate the drama and horror of the moment, why even bother putting it in at all?
Wow didn't know that but what you just described sounds WAY better than what they did. Not like the show was bad but damn what you described sounds so much better.
They just don't want to paint Rhaenyra and her team as anything other then Saints forced into war.
I kinda think that whole scene would be hard to pull off without anyone hearing the torture no? I didn't read the book so i dont know the setup but how could all that happen in this context without half the castle hearing it?
Totally agree with you
@@malekiththeeternityking5433ik. And it’s frustrating
Are we watching the same show Alex, They beheaded a kid, just because they didn’t show it, it’s pg-13
They didn't show the body
@@hamndvyou need some serious help if you wanna see a baby get decapitated on screen bro😭
@@prodsoza8218 society is cooked
I was thinking the same thing. Tf is Alex talking about? You literally hear them sawing the child’s head off. That’s holding back?? Lmao.
@@matadashalalo you can hear a lot of things, WATCHING them is what makes it special and most importantly ,MEMORABLE.
From the 22 minute mark, angry joe camera video is out of sync with the audio. The other two boys are ok.
38:25 is when it fixed
@@lethalexponent6 I just watched it now at the 38:25 min mark onwards, and it is Not fixed. It is out of sync till the End of the video.
Standard Joe just firing content out without checking.
Are we forgetting that Aegon sired a bunch of bastards whom he then had fight each other for sport? Or did I dream that?
Nah, nobody is forgetting how much of a demon he is. This part is just him trying to appeal to the common people since the only family he truly has is Aemond.
He did more than that from what I've heard about the source material. Man the author is fucked up.
The only stupid part about the episode is there are literally zero guards guarding the king's kids. That was plain dumb. They could have wiped the whole royal family except for Aegon. Solid episode tho
Only four Kingsguard left, they passed by all the regular guards with the tunnels to enter Maegor's Holdfast which is apperently only accesible to royals, servants and kingsguard? (This is the only way it isnt completely stupid as you say). And two kingsguard by King Aegon, and Criston Cole being distracted leaving one guard I think, should be at least as three Kingsguard have just defected/run away. Still think this should be a major thing to adress in the next episode for why the QUEEN and the King's children didnt have a single guard with them.
Honestly wasn't that impressed for the first episode. People were hyping it up like it was going to be something huge. I still can't wait for the rest of the show to progress though
Really did not like no gaurds being outside of the queen and heirs room. You always have seen gaurds outside of rooms on this show and GOT for anyone near that important. They may be able to justify with Cole being the one supposed to be gaurding it but I hope it is addressed in the next episode.
i think it also has to do with the greens being overconfident due to Aemond's massive dragon (don't remember its name) - still a bit too much to be completely plausible but it helps a bit
My man Alex wanted a single take shot of the beheading in full frame 🤣 bro said they pg-13’d it as if they would actually show a child being beheaded. The other murdered children like Robert’s bastards died the same way, camera cut away before the actual kill.
Yes you can only kill white grown man in front of camera (like Ned Stark or Jon Snow) but that's the time we living in if you haven't noticed. But i remember from main GoT show that Stannis death was done this way and I liked this character and actor so for me it was better this way.
@@lukeyu7086oh my god 🙄 as a white grown man please seek help for your brain worms
@lukeyu7086 sorry to burst your safe space echo chamber bubble however that very same show also killed off Ygritte in front of the camera, as well as Melisandre and even Danaerys
@@vidmasterK1 the show killed countless POC and queer people throughout the entire show, dude’s just delusional.
@@lukeyu7086 you are confused I think
They really made Aegon super likeable imo. Like, I totally get him. He was told his entire life that the throne he's supposed to inheret won't go to him, so he's basically like "fuck it, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I wanna do instead" when really the thing he always wanted was for his father to love him enough to give him the throne like he loved his daughter. So when he got the throne, he had a hard time believing it was actually happening. But now that he has it, he's well suited for it. He seems to have made a complete 180, and genuinely wants to make a difference. He seems to love his kids, and loves his sister, he seems to love being king and he has friends. He's practically sprawling all over the same throne that killed his dad, like the throne itself is accepting Aegon. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next, I'm super curious how Aegon reacts. Game of Thrones IS BACK BABY!
Didnt he R-word someone 💀
@@ovahlord1451 Absolutely. This is the complex nature of well written characters. You can like a vile piece of shit because he demonstrates human qualities like loving his children. It's fiction. It's story telling. It's fun to explore characters as if you're a fly on the wall. It's entertainment. If this was real life, I wouldn't say the same thing about someone because it's real crimes against real people and at that point, I don't give a shit if they love their kids. THIS IS ALSO KNOWN AS: Nuance.
@@ovahlord1451yes
A likeable.. R-ist ?? LOL
@@ovahlord1451besides that. I mean Jamie pushed a kid out a tower and we still like him. Tyrion raped someone in the books and we still kinda of like him.
There is Interview with the vampire out there too - and it's second season is FANTASTIC! Given that it's also part of an entire multi show shared universe - and the insane gore and horror elements they managed to air - I'm surprised you guys AREN'T covering it!
I just wonder why the White Walkers were a sort of discovery in GoT to the point of having to capture one when Cregan Stark knew 200 years before what they were fighting for real beyond the wall. I mean why do they lose that knowledge? Don't they have maesters up there?
The reason why the show deviates from the book in some areas. Is because the book is written from the POV of Maesters. For example, we know Daemon dies, but his body is never recovered and there's doubt he's even dead at all. We'll probably see what really happened to him in the show.
Exactly , there is still so much room to play with the plot for this story.
Why the FUCK are you spoiling the show in the comments???
Indeed. "Fire and Blood" is written from the perspective of a meister writing around 100 years after the fact. Who is himself relying on accounts from two unreliable narrators, both of which have biases towards the greens and the blacks respectively. And also aren't present for many of the events they write about.
Martin really pulled off how to write a mock mediaeval chronicle. But of course the show is able to show us exactly what happened, without undermining the source material by it's nature.
Interestingly, at the end of season 1, there's the confrontation at Storms End. And that, uniquely, is replicated almost word for word in the show. Because it took place under the eyes of dozens of witnesses who could all corroborate exactly what happened, and what was said. That was a really nice touch!
Although I think it's quite unlikely that Damon survives... One of the main takeaways in the dance of dragons, is the dragon on dragon combat is basically a suicide mission! There ain't no ejector seats on those saddles😅
Thanks for the spoilers man
That scene with the son was more messed up in the actual books
The King really Needs to upgrade his security
While morally reprehensible, if Aegon is down to just a daughter, then this might have been a cannon shot to Green unity. Aegon has to either be a hypocrite and declare his daughter his heir, or make Aemond his heir. The disagreement will cause them to fragment.
Book readers be like: hehe.
I call BS on blood and cheese no checking the kid’s pants for which is a boy and a girl. You’re gonna go off of her word? Why would you not take 5 seconds to check for the boy?
I'm sure while sawing off his head they did a quick pat down.
Willing to saw their heads off but not check their pants😂
Makes more sense in the books. Two mostly similar sons, she has to choose which.
It’s not that deep lol
because it would wake up the kids and potentially start more problems?
I bet 1000$ Joe starts spoiling future book events during the spoiler section for the SHOW 😂 That's his most toxic trait
I hate when he does that. It genuinely makes it hard to watch his reviews at times.
Has he even read the book? Or does he just kind of read summaries then report it back to us? I feel like he tries to give more insight into the creative process behind adapting the book to TV, but he doesn’t fully understand/remember events from the book, so the insight falls flat. He just ends up spoiling plot points without adding anything of value to the conversation.
Do you think Joe has the time or the patience to read books this complex? I'm not so sure. And, it is unfortunate when he spews out spoilers while doing the non spoiler sections of his reviews. I still love the channel I just wish he could be more mindful about that but I think he's just excited and can't help himself at times.
@@TalkOBoy I agree 100% w your assessment, bro is definitely just reading spark notes and then spoiling everyone who's watching the show 🤣
there was two sons in the book, she chose the younger brother which is the one that was whispered to "your mother wants you dead boy." and then kills the older sibling.
In the book Aegon, and Helaena have a second son. Helaena chose the younger on to die, but they killed Jaehaerys instead. Maelore was the name of the younger son.
I like that we got to see a more affable side of Aegon II. It reminds us that he is Viserys’ son and it’s cool to see that layer of his character.
100% agree we've only seen him be a POS so seeing want to help his people was a nice touch to show his father's upbringing
Viserys is a vile POS and a terrible king and terrible husband as well as a deadbeat to his 4 children by Alicent idk why he's treated like a saint.
Back to Alex's most hated TV show 😂
Bro, you can see the hate on his face before he even speaks lmao
I think he's just better at criticism than the Joe's. He ALWAYS has very valid arguments and his analysis' always bring up points that may be overlooked by the Joe's. Subtle elements that may not be picked up by the typical viewer or the Joes, Alex always notices and bring attention to them. He's just clearly more detail oriented while the Joe's focus more on the overarching or obvious plots.
@@terrestrialtokerloki and fallout
@@lethalexponent6?
@ergolindt7299 those 2 didn't have ALWAYS valid criticism
Abubakar Salim, the guy from Raised by Wolves you are right joe! Didnt recognise him. Thanks for pointing that out. Loved him on RbW great actor.
Ya, I was sure it was him as well, but I had to pause the episode so I could look it up online. He definitely put on some weight to portray this character, but the voice and excellent execution with his acting certainly hasn't changed at all.
*That dog was Azor Ahai* 😌
Sir pounce is azor again if we are being honest
I think Jacaerys flew to Winterfell then went on horseback with three starks to the wall. I could be tripping but I didn’t see his dragon at all there. I forget if the eeyrie deal was before or after the starks but I think before. That may be why the dragon may have actually never even flown to Winterfell
That's right. Otherwise he'd be waiting for days ahead of them
I think the intro song brings me back to "omg new game of thrones episode!!" every single time. I hope they use it for all series from this universe :D just my opinion of course.
8 episodes is fine but they should be releasing yearly then. 8 episodes and a 2 year wait is way too long.
this is one of my biggest complaints with modern tv shows. they give us very little episodes and then we gotta wait 2 years or more for another season. that defeats the purpose of how tv supposed to be structured.
@@yoboyrob201So you want both quantity and quality. That's so unrealistic. If you want shows being pumped out each year, go watch Disney shows then.
@@Justyn_Lim_ I’ve watched plenty of shows they gave both quality and quantity. That was literally how tv was set up before everybody decided to follow Netflix way of doing things. Straight up every show was 15 or more episodes and at most they took a break for the holiday season and then the rest of the season aired. Then later that year the next season came. Now you get 8 episodes that are supposed to be an hour, but some are barely 30 minutes. Then they take a 2 year break and you almost forget about the show
You people complain about waiting, but than you'll be the first to cry about rushed stories and unpolished CGI. You want quality? Than you have to wait. Two years for 8 hours of film is a good pace, considering the quality. Man, ppl cry about everything these days, Grow up, man
@@Tekuto1 again, it’s defeating the purpose of tv. Tv should be consumed over a more drawn out story. Instead because everything is only 8 or 10 episodes. Now character arcs are much shorter or skipped entirely. Basically these shows are just long movies at this point which isn’t what tv is supposed to be
*The episode wasn’t bad* but I was underwhelmed. Nothing gripped me (No J-Cole) like the opening did with the dialogue at ‘The Wall’ the Blood and Cheese stuff could’ve been better too.
But they had to build the wall to keep out the scary white walkers. You should be scared.
Also the show and the boooks treat scorpions differently. Because in the books it still takes a 1 in a million shot in the eye to take down a dragon with a scorpion
Alex is proof that it's best to watch shows knowing as little as possible context as possible otherwise you get fixated on weird stuff like wanting to see more gruesome dead kids.
It's better to just enjoy and not know alternate things that happened in other media.
Was anyone else confused by the Helena’s reaction to her son just getting beheaded? She had the reaction as if she didn’t know the kid and then says “they got the boy”. Idk, just seemed a little off there
Isn’t she kind of on the spectrum? Lol
Shock
Pretty sure she has visions of the future like bran and shes somewhat mentally impaired, at the start of the episode she says shes afraid of rats to aegon, and aegon says something along the lines of her being unique in an interesting way
Well she is pretty weird so don’t be surprised if she has a weird reaction
She has dragon dreams, but she has no idea what she’s seeing for the most part. It’s interesting too that her father wasn’t more interested in her because he was really into dragon dreams and the prophecies of those dreams.
The difference in quality between this and The Acolyte is just baffling.
Man the subtitles were “flesh slicing noises”
Even as someone who read the books, that last scene fucked me up as a father of a four year old. Just the sound Jaehaerys made when they covered his mouth and the look of helplessness right before they killed him just flipped my stomach, and then when you hear the sound effects afterwards, it turned. When I went to bed I actually just snuck into our son’s room and held him a little tighter while he slept. Still a great episode though. We are back baby!
The only character that i actually enjoy are Aegon. Are we supposed to not really like any of the characters? I mean in season 1 of original GoT we all became traumatized by Ned's death. There's not one character that even comes close to that sort of feeling here.
At least angry joe knows his music. Numenorean is amazing
Huh, looks like they’ve disbanded. Something about some band mates convicted of sexual assault
Alex needs sectioning for even thinking they would show a glimpse of something that messed up… 😐
If you can’t even remember the names of the characters I don’t feel like your qualified to speak on the show
*Guys the video is out of sync with audio, might wanna fix that*
There are more guards upstairs -> Not a Single Guard UPSTAIRS -> ...
I love Alex, I also hate Alex.
It wasn't 2 days from j leaving dragonstone for the riverlands and winterfell. Unless he just assumes ravens are also able to fly from dragonstone to winter fell in 2 days. Which has never been established.
Classic GOT "information takes a long time to travel" alicent said she sent the note to rhynaera. So add a few days, plus a month(based on GOT timeline) and yeah, jaherys grew up. Not including I'm surprised read the book and didn't mention they hung out in winter fell for months.
Even leaving the disappointing rendition of B&C and the butchering of Alicent and Criston’s characters by having them hook up, this was just a very dry season premiere.
Aegon was surprisingly the highlight, being the only character having any fun while everyone else is either too sad or too depressed about the war. His genuine sympathy for the smallfolk was surprisingly endearing, given how he was portrayed in S1, and this is what I wanted to see out of this character- a King who was a chauvinistic prick, but also sympathetic and understandable. I really have a feeling Tom will be the standout actor this season.
Rhaenyra is another standout. She says one line but what Emma portrays in saying nothing else is far more powerful, the scene where she comforts Jace her son while he’s trying to be Prince Jacaerys mirroring Daemon’s earlier comment about the mother/queen was so moving and touching. I really did enjoy that.
But while all the other scenes were serviceable, but none really impacted me. Daemon’s scenes were fine, Otto’s scenes were fine, but it felt like retreading a lot of ground we’ve already been through with not much new being added. I don’t know if you could cut any of it necessarily but it definitely felt like a lot of it could have been improved.
Especially Cregan Stark’s actor, holy fuck what were they thinking going with that voice? 💀 The acting was terrible, the voice doesn’t match and the dialogue was stilted as hell. And why were they on the Wall instead of Winterfell? Such a strange, strange scene to open the episode on.
Overall, a lot of good stuff here but still feels lacking in comparison to what it could have been.
He having fun in a GOT project That was Aegon's last time had fun quotes the narrator
Daemon would’ve had a huge high light if he ordered blood and cheese intentionally
For me alicent and Criston Cole where bigger disappointment then blood and cheese
The episode is good when it supposed to be one the best episodes
15:10 which episode did you all watch? “45 minutes?” It was an hour 10 without credits. One of the longest ever for hod/got.
He did say kill *Aemond Targaryen* and even described him. 😬
Cheese asks, "What if we can't find him?"
And the camera cuts away from Daemon, and we don't get an answer.
I hate that type of writing. Cut away before someone answers. It's so fucking lazy. Some dipshit in a film school told a bunch of students to do this like 10 years ago and now every fucking show does this. REEEE
One small detail that I really liked on the wall: Lord Starke was carrying Ice, Ned's giant-ass sword. Been a while since we've seen that.
The "which child" scene from the book reminds me of a scene from an old mystery anime called "Monster".
Johan
I'm sure someone mentioned it, but in the book there are 3 kids, 2 boys and the girl. They made Helena choose between the two boys. And in the books Allicent was in that same room
10:00 GRRM is the one of the lead writers and producers of HotD. All the changes are literally run by him. Furthermore, since youre quoting him. He's literally said the books is a history book and books are often wrong. The story goes down a game of telephone and by the time it gets documented, it isnt the same. He goes on to give examples of historic buildings and trying to find out the height of them and that proven to be impossible. I'd also appreciate if Joe didnt slip in "this is going to happen in the future" stuff. It's annoying. Keep spoilers in the confines of the episode... you know... respecting your audience?
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Agree. The "source" material is not canon.
I’m sure George would go back and write a way shittier and boring conflict started by three stooges slapstick with race swapped Valyrians if he could. Definitely not just accepting a check like he already did on Game of Thrones.
George is also not a writer and Ryan Condal says he’s too busy to check over every little decision they make.
@@shanecoyle8053 Holy shit, do you sound bitter.
Are ppl really saying that they pulled their punches because they did not show a lil kids head being cut off? Really?? Even in the og GOT the episode when they kill the bastards they do no show when they slit the baby's throat. I dunno why anyone needed to see a kids head being sawed off, just hearing the sound was enough for me.
You are making strawman argument here. People dont want to see brutal child death. They wanted to see what happens before the death. The Helena's choice is the reason why the scene is so memorable.
@MarkusBartus how much more memorable do you need the scene to be lol. It's funny to me that a scene where a kid gets decapitated isn't memorable enough lol. You have to see the emotional torture of his mother too lol. I feel like the scene had enough impact, did it deviate from the books yes, but you can't tell me this was not a scene that wasn't important and memorable. We literally heard a child head being severed .
It did what it needed to do without being gratuitous like it was in the book. She made a choice, it was hard, done.
baby back ribs are back on the menu along side red muffin pie and White cloaked pig.
Happy one day early bday AJ!...50? 😏
no way that dudes 50 early 4o's not 50
Happy 40th bday 🎉
Angryjoe: Which team I'm on?? Mahfukkin BLUE!!! Always!! lol
I got so mad when I saw Alyn! They should’ve NEVER cancelled Raised By Wolves 🤬
Lannisters ate not richest in Westeros at that time velaryons are in a big way
Joe explaining the book version of what happened was horrid im sorry
If I remember correctly, the book and fire blood is written from the perspective of a green supporter so it would make sense that they would change the history in the universe to have it where Rhaenyra always intended on, killing Aegons sons, rather than going, after Aemond. makes her look more evil and cruel from an in universe perspective.
This is stupid cope used to defend the show from all criticism related to being different from the book. 99% of the book should be taken at face value and only several very specific moments have any ambiguity or multiple possibilities that could have happened. Even then, there’s almost always a direction that the book is leaning when it comes to what most likely happened in those few situations.
@@shanecoyle8053The book has 3 to 4 different narrators, it is definitely up to multiple interpretations.
Very specific events have multiple accounts described but as far as I recall, in every single instance the text is favoring one of the accounts or sometimes parts of each account combined. 99% of the book is stated matter of factly including many things the show has completely changed so this bullshit propaganda needs to die.
I also don’t know what book you read if you think Gyldayn is biased in favor of anyone.
Is the long sword carried by the Stark in the Night's Watch, Ned's sword? The one that got melted to make "Oath keeper" and "Widow maker"?
It is the Stark family sword "ICE" but I believe it's being carried by the warden of the north, not a member of the Nights Watch
@@Wyr_111 Yah, my bad. Warden of the north, visiting the wall.
30:40 Otto was probably going to say something about needing to reserve payment until services are conplete to ENSURE that they are completed in a timely manner. Not stupid imo
I was under the impression that Daemon would be the one to be killing Aemon not send some assassins to do it. But I mean if the books does it then I don't really have anything to complain, but I just think his character would be the one to personally get his hands dirty.
Joe friends look less and less interested to be apart of the show.. 💀
They’ve always looked like that
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Cos they know they’re about to get 6 seconds into an interesting take - just for Joe to cut them off. I get it’s his show - but I’m sorry Alex is more interesting than he is during reviews.
@@firstlast9846 they’ve talked about this before they are good friends. This is the dynamic of the show and they enjoy it if they felt like they weren’t being heard and didn’t wanna be there. They wouldn’t be there.
Dudes listening to each other without over the top exaggerated hype and excitement... Doesn't mean they're not having a good time
It was pretty good until the last 10 minutes... that writing at the end was kinda GOT Season 8ish. So hopefully it gets better. Haha
It was completely believable that they were just plain idiots.
yeah, a lot of unbelievably dumb decisions
Tbh the episode felt… slapped together.
That's because they didn't follow the book. Much better and more dramatic scene in fire and blood. No clue why they changed it.
@@firstlast9846all the Green stuff felt pretty cohesive.
40:00 just to clarify, in the books there are two sons and a daughter. Cheese makes her choose one of the two sons. In the show there is only one son
I love the intro music and hope they never change it. Gets me hyped everytime. Only intro we actually watch.
It’s out already? Meanwhile 12 years for a new book.
Actually liked aegon character development this episode especially can’t wait see more daemon and aemond
Are you looking forward to tonight's episode?
Maybe if Daemon brewed up a deadly poison and took it to Hightower, he might voluntarily drink it and kill himself?
Alex’s main input - “ Mateys hair grew too quick, and I wanted to see a child decapitated”
Okkkkaaaayyy 🫤
Imo, not showing the kids death is sorta scarier in my head. One of those tricks where not seeing it makes you picture it worse in your head. Kinda thought the red keep would be a tad bit more guarded though, unless its due to war time and men are spread then.
Thank you for saying it Joe. Everytime the original GoT intro music starts playing, I cant help but to feel like they made a mistake. We all recognize it as the same universe but HOTD has its own distinct flavor. It DESERVES its own theme music!
I’m just sad that Alex used to be an awesome get when he joined but his negativity and general whining about everything has really taken me out of this channel
So y’all wanted to see the baby get chopped up? wtf is wrong with you people 😂😂
I think the seriousness if the situation could have been portrayed better. In the book it's so much worse, the suspense wasn't as prominent as it could have been. Compared to the source material.
I wouldn't say that, my biggest issue with the scene in the show was that it didn't have any tension.
They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
The most emotional scene was cheese kicking the dog
changing the theme would be a mistake, its iconic at this point and gives you the feeling youre in the same universe right away. also its a great piece of music. i hope they use it in all the coming shows in Westeros
They killed the one she pointed at. Also, the kids were at sleep so they wouldn't know who the mom pointed at, so no future grudges. Joe read the book and got confused between the show and the book.
The fact that the family has no guards watching them and doors are just open is stupid especially when they are at war and don't trust people around them
No they were looking for a son in the books too.
Helena has 3 kids in the book , two boys and a girl .
They make Helena choose which one of the boys to kill and she chooses the youngest one who isn’t the heir apparent.
Instead they kill the older one and then taunt the younger one that his momma wanted him dead and escape taunting the younger one that
"They PG-13'd up the episode" I hear Alex say thinking about the sound of a child's head being saw'd off
They did though.
They didn't even have to show it, but they weakened the entire scenario. In the book she points to one child so they kill the other and say "your mother chose you to die" to the one they let live and then they leave.
Alex hates this show for no reason lol
When did he say he hated it? I must have missed that
Well it’s kind of his thing to have impossible to please standards
8/10 and he hated it?
Well they wanted to use Jace real hair instead of putting him in one of those hair pieces. I agree with that change because his hair looks good and you can tell it's real.
This season has the potential to be one of the most brutal in Game of Thrones history.
Yeah... No buddy
@@ergolindt7299 you obviously haven’t read the book… buddy
@@vexmyth0clast lol. First you Are taöking about show. And then pull put you havent read the books😁 decide If you want to talk about books or show buddy.. yes i have not read books about House of dragon, If iy helps you sleep.
To put Alicent's "hypocritical" behavior into perspective, she had never had good sex until after Viserys was dead. She's making up for lost time. 😂