A Perfect Circle - Judith // PASTOR Reaction + Lyrical Analysis

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  • @mbyrd9223
    @mbyrd9223 4 роки тому +3134

    Maynard's mother was in a wheelchair and the people of her church said that if she had been a better Christian she wouldn't have ended up in a wheelchair. So he wrote this song based on that experience.

    • @Me-fn3qu
      @Me-fn3qu 4 роки тому +375

      Bingo. He was angry...my favorite song by Perfect Circle.

    • @devinbullard7304
      @devinbullard7304 4 роки тому +250

      It's more of an attack on the church not necessarily the religion of "god". I suggest you read and watch interviews about the song.

    • @Jos46664
      @Jos46664 4 роки тому +403

      @@devinbullard7304 more than an attack, I think is an angry critique to the religious people who twist God's teachings and pretend to be better than their neighbor

    • @mr.pickle6744
      @mr.pickle6744 4 роки тому +46

      Maynard knows, I.e. Gnostic, like John the Baptist or Judas Thomas. It’s fun to watch a devoted one encounter hells bottomless pit and not Know what he is even looking at. Naive Christians read the books literally. It’s easier to bury your head in sand and believe the whole world is a desert. Thank you @M Byrd for your clarification.

    • @asanjurm
      @asanjurm 4 роки тому +24

      that stament from a group that u call brotherhood in a church saying to u: "u were bad" is the end for the beliving of someone or aproching a problem. instead of help they took a beat stick and throw the stone, Jesus didnt point no one but we do it. the bad christian were that church

  • @sully2018
    @sully2018 6 років тому +6754

    Now we just need Maynard reacting to a Christian Pastor reacting to Judith to complete the circle.

    • @bondywalsall
      @bondywalsall 6 років тому +54

      Brilliant

    • @ChipSouls
      @ChipSouls 6 років тому +555

      That sounds like a perfect circle right there :D

    • @razalin
      @razalin 6 років тому +104

      Yes, this would be good to see. Maynard is a wise man but also quite provocative. He's fairly well grounded, so I'm sure he would be able to provide a respectful and balanced response to Pastor Houghton
      's react video.

    • @beckybarber01
      @beckybarber01 6 років тому +6

      Yaaaaas

    • @spikesvideos
      @spikesvideos 6 років тому +13

      Right, comon, Maynard!!!!!!!!!! Right???????? Truthfully Maynard isnt this stupid!!

  • @timothytreister4004
    @timothytreister4004 6 років тому +1969

    Just to note, he is not mad at Christianity in it's pure essences. He's mad at the hypocrisy of many Christians. Many members of the Christian Church his mom belonged to said that her sickness was caused by her own sinfulness and ostracized her. It can be found in his biography, The Perfect Union of Contrary Things

    • @brandonharwood9066
      @brandonharwood9066 6 років тому +43

      I disagree. If he was primarily angry at the fact that the congregation had abandoned her, then why would he put so much emphasis on the fact that he thinks God, Christ, and the saints have abandoned her while never mentioning her fellow followers once in the entire song? If what you say is true, then that is bad songwriting in my opinion.

    • @stickybandit4065
      @stickybandit4065 6 років тому +86

      MetalTheory What? Read the biography, it’s not as simple as blaming one more than the other. His mother was treated poorly by her church, he is talking about people like that AND angry at her for her belief.

    • @mariemann3536
      @mariemann3536 6 років тому +26

      I read the same interview. Maynard wrote the song and that's what HE said that was what it is about.

    • @vladtheinhaler93
      @vladtheinhaler93 5 років тому +81

      @@brandonharwood9066 Note that he sings 'F *your*' God, and '*your* Lord and *your* Christ', as others have stated, it is not an attack on those who love Jesus, rather to those who were hateful and uncharitable in Jesus name (wolves in sheep's clothing?!)..

    • @eldersv3157
      @eldersv3157 5 років тому +49

      Exactly that's why he States your God. Not his God.

  • @sixkicksfightertricks949
    @sixkicksfightertricks949 Рік тому +231

    I'm agnostic. I have the same problems with Christianity as Maynard plus dozens more, despite the pastor's clarification. However, their reactions to the song is as fair as can be. They stayed positive, open minded, and gave condolences. Christians like these have a particular charm to them that I admire. This gets a like. 👍

    • @brians1071
      @brians1071 Рік тому +4

      Maynard didn't understand his mother a witness to him and everyone listening and debating the song! Judas understood, my life is a witness my struggles more powerful than anything I can say. I get it becauuse I've been in a wheelchair 38 years a quadriplegic my life and struggles say more than I could Preach and when you see all that I'm going through and I still have joy and love my heart It makes others want what I have. I find it interesting peoplee can believe In Aliens with technology far beyond our understanding but they can't believe in someone not from this world with the knowledge of all things we don't.

    • @sixkicksfightertricks949
      @sixkicksfightertricks949 Рік тому +4

      @@brians1071 Then you're incredible for maintaining that strength. I'd have to find my strength elsewhere in that position. Through my own power fueled by inspiration from Bruce Lee and David Goggins.
      Plus, with a universe as unimaginably vast as ours, I find aliens having advanced technology more plausible than a being that's just all powerful by default with no explanation and has oddly specific gender, ethnic and nationality roles.

    • @reaperwb39
      @reaperwb39 Рік тому +4

      These are the Christians that actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, kindness to everyone even your enemies, don't judge others based on their opinions, words, or deeds, preach the word without pushing it on others.

    • @sixkicksfightertricks949
      @sixkicksfightertricks949 Рік тому +3

      @@reaperwb39 The crazy thing is. 8 days ago, I became a born again scientist.
      I still don't exactly know who's incharge, but I confirmed their to be 3 side, and none them are evil. There's only green or red.

    • @jvmidgley
      @jvmidgley Рік тому

      @@brians1071 The reality is, despite your truly unfortunate and regrettable circumstances, there is no evidence for a god, at least not one that is defined as such in any of the current monotheistic religions. Monotheism in all its current flavors defines god as being omniscient, omnipotent, and benevolent. This can, however, not be the case in any combination of the three that is expressed and experienced daily across the globe. People often retreat to the notion that evil, harm, and wanton suffering are the result of human action, 'free will', but this is systemically not the case. For example, consider illness, various bone cancers in children, these have nothing to do with the choices/actions of the parents, and certainly nothing to do with any voluntary choices amongst the children afflicted. Yet they remain terminal and condemned, to suffer and live a few months longer, or give up and not suffer more than requisite by whatever god is held responsible. The truly 'faithful', despite the horrid indifference to human suffering, will still fall back on the idea that everything is 'god's plan', thus they did not suffer needlessly. This is, of course, wrong in every sense that it can be wrong. The suffering is, by their own definition, of god's creation alone. Thus, god has created that entity for the explicit function of creating suffering. That suffering, as its purpose, is somehow pleasing to god. No matter if this is a fallacy and god does not exist to create such a thing, or if it is accurate and god does, I find the entire subject repulsive. There is no god, and if there is, that god is a criminal.

  • @PabloAZ94
    @PabloAZ94 5 років тому +751

    I'm an agnostic but this video was very refreshing to watch, the open mindedness and lack of fear to objectively analyze something you don't agree with is what the world needs

    • @jennawhite5466
      @jennawhite5466 5 років тому +14

      Pablo Arias Hear hear. I was raised in a Methodist home during my childhood. When my brother died, my belief followed. I turned to polytheism and eventually, became an atheist. This song is eerily relatable for me, as my brother had a highly vascular brain tumor on the brain stem, and science said he would not live beyond the age of five. He died eleven years later, age 16. Against all medical odds, he survived, only to die later. I could not reconcile it with my faith, and so it had to go.

    • @Jrclego1998
      @Jrclego1998 5 років тому +15

      Agreed very much. As a Christian, I listen to all kinds of Rock and metal and see the perspectives. I've been through a lot personally and I connect with it. This is a concept that is lost to the modern world. Open mindedness is dead.

    • @jennawhite5466
      @jennawhite5466 5 років тому +1

      Jack Carroll Very true. And very sad. I just fell head over heels in love with a newer band. SKYND. Their inspiration is the darker parts of the human experience, and their songs, lyrics, and videos are an interpretative study of killers and suspicious deaths. I can see the artistry within it, and respect the musicality of it without being a sick person.

    • @BkSapphire
      @BkSapphire 5 років тому +1

      Pablo Arias me too!!!! I was very impressed at their openness to real hear the music and appreciate it at an emotional and artistic and even talent view. It was def refreshing !

    • @Artheon
      @Artheon 5 років тому +3

      Another agnostic here. I agree with you, their openness makes me want to listen to more of their channel. This world needs more people willing to listen to those with other opinions.

  • @jamesherter9481
    @jamesherter9481 5 років тому +1111

    Key point to mention: his anger was also driven by his mom being rejected by her church after her aneurysm.

    • @derreklabonte1676
      @derreklabonte1676 5 років тому +28

      Did not know that

    • @jackkreacherr9339
      @jackkreacherr9339 5 років тому +16

      Wow..

    • @last7509
      @last7509 5 років тому +21

      Lots of people blame God for things then become atheist lol. Makes no sense to me. The book clearly states that the bad guy is some one else. But more importantly, no supreme being would be affected by temper tantrums.

    • @CosmicEpiphany
      @CosmicEpiphany 5 років тому +67

      Fortune Mak3r But God is the ultimate boss...he could easily choose to get rid of the "bad guy.” Instead he chooses to let him run rampant...why? What purpose does that serve?

    • @last7509
      @last7509 5 років тому +19

      @@CosmicEpiphany Free will. If you dont have free will you are a robot. Its one way or the other. If He wanted robots He would have made robots. Eventually humans will see the big picture. And it was very patient of Him to *allow* us the time to explore this sandbox of misery.

  • @riffgroove
    @riffgroove 5 років тому +762

    You guys completely missed the entire point of the song.
    His mother was an extremely devout Christian who's faith never wavered after what happened to her.
    Maynard was disgusted by her so-called "fellow worshippers" who completely abandoned her after her stroke left her paralyzed and wheelchair bound for "10,000 days."
    It was as if being faced with just how mortal all of them actually were was impossible for them to process. Her church life, which had meant so much to Her, forgot that she existed.

    • @hogannull7022
      @hogannull7022 5 років тому +24

      Right, he kinda twisted it to be evangelical. Which is fine I guess, that's probably the ultimate point of the channel.

    • @scotthitchens3526
      @scotthitchens3526 5 років тому +15

      Did Someone Say "Christian Loophole?" Why? "Oh Just Because."

    • @redrockpaco2893
      @redrockpaco2893 5 років тому +31

      What do you expect from religious zealots. Christianity, the Bible, religion, etc., cannot truly explain why bad things happen to good people, and why good things happen to bad people. Once they figure out the Bible is at best, a history book, which is still filled with great lessons we can still learn from, then they might be able to break the shackles of false doctrine and try to dig for a deeper meaning of life. It’s out there, we just gotta let go of everything we know, and embrace the unknown.

    • @michaeldunn5695
      @michaeldunn5695 5 років тому +42

      There’s no need to explain why good things happen to ‘bad’ people or why bad things happen to ‘good’ people. The Bible literally says that NO ONE is good. Not a single one. It also says that it rains (bad things) on the just and the unjust alike.
      Basically, shit happens. Some good. Some bad.

    • @riffgroove
      @riffgroove 5 років тому +10

      @Vicodyn Oh, I don't know.... maybe have someone actually *read the lyrics that were right in front of them,* maybe?

  • @arsenal-slr9552
    @arsenal-slr9552 2 роки тому +37

    I grew up a Christian. My uncle was paralyzed from the neck down in a car crash when he was 18 years old. At the time his girlfriend was nine months pregnant, and he was talking to scouts from the NBA. He After the wreck he became a devout Christian and always talked about how the accident saved his life. He was in a wheelchair the rest of his life, only able to move his arms at the shoulders and his neck. He died seven years later because the hospital didn't know how to take care of him. That wreck didn't save him. He was my Judith

    • @TechmoChamp
      @TechmoChamp 8 місяців тому

      What kind of God does that to people, or allows children to be abused, or refuses the prayers of kids who's mother is dying or mothers who's child is starving, if their God is real he is a POS, he could intervene in the suffering but refuses to, but he intervenes to help Tim Tebow win a fucking football game? Or to help Copeland get a new private jet?

    • @Argueabouteverything
      @Argueabouteverything 2 місяці тому

      So the nba and having money is the ultimate outcome for life? Money, material items? How do you know the wreck didn’t save him from a life of degenerate behavior? Most rich celebrities are drug addicts and miserable with life. You’re guided by desire, money, full of anger. You will suffer until you forgive your mother and come to Christ. Stop chasing baseless desires.

  • @leifdude407
    @leifdude407 4 роки тому +1209

    I'm glad that even though Maynard practically insulted your religion you still managed to see the art and emotion in his music. Kudos to you guys!

    • @Sarvlosify
      @Sarvlosify 4 роки тому +50

      Right. I'm not even religous, but I like this guys channel, because he listens and tries to understand the meanings to the songs

    • @jh-lp7cg
      @jh-lp7cg 4 роки тому +77

      It's rage about his mother's condition and conviction, which you know. But, it's more raw emotion than an attack on Christianity.

    • @nickacelvn
      @nickacelvn 4 роки тому +6

      Shot friend, they have to look on the bright side. (Id explain that all the Abrahamic religions come from the Sumerians but I don't want to rain on the parade) I guess one picks the belief system that one feels comfortable with.

    • @Charlie1821
      @Charlie1821 3 роки тому +8

      He's not just insulting their religion. He's writing the music from the perspective of the serpent in the garden of Eden.

    • @babyfarkmcgee-zax3785
      @babyfarkmcgee-zax3785 3 роки тому +24

      He's not insulting the religion itself but rather the judgemental jerks you find in the church. Her church congregation told his mother that is was her fault she had a stroke and wound up in a wheelchair because she was a bad Christian.

  • @seminole17910
    @seminole17910 6 років тому +1477

    For people who aren't absolute crazed Tool fans such as myself, I can obviously understand why people (especially religious people) will have this reaction. If you read the biography of Maynard James Keenan you will see that at the time this happened to his mother, the local church community abandoned her and some even blamed her saying that it was her fault for being a "bad christian." You can see why Maynard would harbor animosity towards the church. Like most of Tool's work, Maynard's lyrics can be much more complex than they seem. Tool songs are often misinterpreted because most casual fans are not going to put in the work to really find out what the song writer is trying to say. IMHO, this song is more of Maynard's scathing indictment of Christianity and how some branches have twisted the teachings of Jesus for their own self interest. Maynard has always been critical of "Group Think" and challenging his audience to "Think for themselves and Question Authority." The Tool album "Aenima" is a great example of this as several of the songs and the album title itself have dual meanings where they can be taken as juvenile or serious topics. It depends on the point of view of the listener. Like most great art, it's subjective and designed to make you think.

    • @elchingonbjj1464
      @elchingonbjj1464 6 років тому +39

      seminole17910 I’m so glad you read the book. I lost interest in this from the very beginning when they couldn’t even pronounce MJK’s name

    • @realdealnealdks5275
      @realdealnealdks5275 6 років тому +5

      I liked the last part of your novel!¿!

    • @MikeRobersonDaddyDoeBucks
      @MikeRobersonDaddyDoeBucks 6 років тому +3

      I concur

    • @bigbadrob3344
      @bigbadrob3344 6 років тому +20

      I can't give this comment enough 'thumbs up' lol

    • @claytonleach3324
      @claytonleach3324 6 років тому +1

      agreed but he's also too artsy fartsy his music since lateralous n enima have been too much!! bk to the basics time. i seen them n they had no opening show no encore no actual concert shirts n ok i can handle that that seems ego but he has always been like that. just won't go to the concerts n just listen to the old album. this was the Only decent song on all of perfect circles album.

  • @TheJdh420
    @TheJdh420 3 роки тому +428

    I don't believe in God, I did at one point in my life, but the fact that you will listen to a song against Christ and not judge, is amazing, I can listen to your side all day... Keep it up my man

    • @nickacelvn
      @nickacelvn 3 роки тому +4

      Same. But i dropped organised religion not so much the belief in a supreme being (other than Kim johl ill lol)

    • @nezy0726
      @nezy0726 3 роки тому +17

      Real Christians that read the bible especially the gospels know you don't judge others but only God will judge all

    • @AugustAPC
      @AugustAPC 3 роки тому +5

      @@nezy0726 They're deluded and brainwashed into believing that, anyway.

    • @lithium23
      @lithium23 3 роки тому +5

      Maynard's follow up songs about Judith after her death would suggest he still heavily believes.

    • @zacharyorozco4066
      @zacharyorozco4066 3 роки тому +1

      @@nezy0726 The no true Scotsman fallacy... Classic.

  • @jo6554
    @jo6554 2 роки тому +156

    Why is it surprising that the song is good & not “bad”? Maynard is amongst the absolute best of vocalists in the heavy rock genre. His voice is distinctive & powerful. His incredible talent for writing lyrics & melodies is like no other. I would say his talent is God gifted; genius level. Take it as it comes….it’s so powerful & emotive. Maynard is a legend to a lot of us

    • @JoshuaSouthgate
      @JoshuaSouthgate 2 роки тому +6

      I completely agree with you

    • @MrBryant240sx
      @MrBryant240sx 2 роки тому +9

      He is experiencing a form of dissonance. The song is obviously amazing, but he should hate and rebuke it. And/or he is doing a bad job of expressing himself.

    • @Nobody-zn3yv
      @Nobody-zn3yv Рік тому +1

      eMOTIVe you say?

    • @veloxitz5595
      @veloxitz5595 Рік тому +3

      Well he didn't even know who Maynard was before he heard this song.

    • @g.prince6265
      @g.prince6265 Рік тому

      No doubt,noone sounds like him and his lyrics.....🤯

  • @gonzo1863
    @gonzo1863 3 роки тому +585

    Maynard isn’t mad at God, he’s upset how his mothers church stated that “maybe this happened to you because of you”. He felt that her church gave her no compassion at the current issue she was going thru and never really helped her when she needed them the most. (According to an interview he gave).

    • @dickones218
      @dickones218 3 роки тому +1

      Where’s the interview about this?

    • @God_Help_Me11
      @God_Help_Me11 3 роки тому +1

      @Jessica B. his mom fucking died

    • @shihadrock101
      @shihadrock101 3 роки тому +2

      @Jessica B. I guess that is why the lyrics use that bible story as the theme of the song.

    • @HamzaWaked
      @HamzaWaked 3 роки тому +3

      Yes I agree with you, and that shows more clearly in Wings by Tool

    • @jacobadam6804
      @jacobadam6804 2 роки тому +22

      Thank you. I’m tired of people saying that Maynard just hates religion and spirituality so much. He’s obviously hurt and angry over his moms death and channeled it into this song.

  • @cupcakeskillmuffins
    @cupcakeskillmuffins 3 роки тому +461

    I'm terminally ill and I have a lot of rage against God. I lived my life with kindness, grace and compassion and I'm still dying. It's hard to not be angry at God.

    • @disrxt
      @disrxt 3 роки тому +107

      There are no gods, seek solace that you merely return to the oblivion from whence you emerged. No punishment, no reward, just non-existence. The anticipation of that return is the price of consciousness. Peace and best of luck.

    • @valk4869
      @valk4869 3 роки тому +19

      @@disrxt shut the fuck up

    • @God_Help_Me11
      @God_Help_Me11 3 роки тому +25

      @@disrxt cope

    • @badgerp.9419
      @badgerp.9419 3 роки тому +9

      @@revan552 chill tf

    • @nickacelvn
      @nickacelvn 3 роки тому +5

      @@disrxt That's one of the two possibilities.

  • @rodgedefender
    @rodgedefender 6 років тому +405

    Maynard is not speaking about his mother's death, he speaks about her suffering

    • @louispouler6104
      @louispouler6104 6 років тому +34

      Also about the way her church treated her after she got sick

    • @jesebsp
      @jesebsp 6 років тому +3

      no one mentioned her dying.

    • @liveactionlink8736
      @liveactionlink8736 6 років тому +10

      Yep, you're correct. Wings for Marie is about her death

    • @scooterbegging5772
      @scooterbegging5772 5 років тому

      Her death was her suffering

    • @nathanhimes7346
      @nathanhimes7346 5 років тому +1

      Sounds to me like they addressed mainly the suffering.

  • @yourshadowself
    @yourshadowself 3 роки тому +136

    This song represents a lifetime of frustration and the liberty to express it authentically at last. Incredibly powerful and full of love

  • @FourT6and22
    @FourT6and22 6 років тому +509

    The song doesn't strike me as being about "why did this bad thing happen to my mom, Judith?" Maynard isn't questioning the reason WHY it happened. He's questioning his mother's unwavering devotion to her god (and specifically her church and the people in it) even AFTER a bad thing happened to her, regardless of whether or not she deserved it or whether she was a good or bad person/Christian. He literally says in the song that her god (read: the church/people in it) abandoned her, yet she still prays, she never strays. It's pretty obvious he's venting. He's not wondering why something horrible happened to a good person. He can't change that after the fact. But he's pissed at mommy dearest for doubling down on her faith after her fellow Christians turned their backs on her.

    • @tanyasprigg9745
      @tanyasprigg9745 6 років тому +9

      This ! ❤

    • @KeBra-to5wy
      @KeBra-to5wy 6 років тому +2

      You speak true words ☺

    • @RobertWilson-jt2tl
      @RobertWilson-jt2tl 6 років тому +15

      That's why it is Base on Faith and the Faith Alone in Jesus. not people

    • @FourT6and22
      @FourT6and22 6 років тому +1

      @@brian4480 What?

    • @FourT6and22
      @FourT6and22 6 років тому +4

      @@zar7518 I'm pretty sure his mom was a Druish princess. So that would make him Druid royalty bro.

  • @TheMattJacks
    @TheMattJacks 5 років тому +539

    I am not a Christian, however, your attitudes and curiosity mixed with your willingness to explore the secular zeitgeist are very very refreshing to me. You guys rock. papa bless.

    • @MyCatFooed
      @MyCatFooed 5 років тому

      Agreed!! 😃🤙

    • @corysmith6990
      @corysmith6990 5 років тому +1

      Fuck no!!!! All they did was judge and put him down for the song. What is it that Christians say? "Only God can judge me"? Stop being hypocritical. That's the problem with religion. Everyone wants to put others down and shun them just because they don't believe what you do.

    • @Jessica_Zs
      @Jessica_Zs 5 років тому +1

      indeed

    • @deamongaming4206
      @deamongaming4206 5 років тому +12

      @@corysmith6990 they didnt just put him down though they dis agreed with some things sure but if all they did was put him down then why did they throughout the video say this song is good that riff is good and then at the end said the lyricism was great i feel like your just look for stuff to hate on man

    • @snortingdandruff9623
      @snortingdandruff9623 5 років тому +1

      MattsGotIssues was that a ghost reference?

  • @IT3XM3XI
    @IT3XM3XI 6 років тому +627

    I watch pretty much every reaction to Tool and APC songs, and I’ve got to say a pastor reacting to Judith is one of the most interesting perspectives I never knew I even wanted. During this time in Maynard’s life he was full of anger and resentment toward his mother’s faith after a stroke had left her crippled since he was 11 years old. If you’d like to see an accepting and vulnerable side of him I’d recommend listening Wings for Marie and 10,000 days which is an intimate 17 minute song of him explaining how he feels during and after she’s passed. Alternatively Right in Two is a good listen as it’s a story told from the perspective of angels looking down and giving their opinion on humankind.

    • @roberthoughton7127
      @roberthoughton7127  6 років тому +95

      I read the lyrics to Wings last night. I'm excited to hear it! I'll definitely be doing a video on it. I'll check out the others as well. I'm learning he's a great lyricist and able to communicate emotion in a way that gets right to your heart.

    • @chrisbotha8085
      @chrisbotha8085 6 років тому +43

      @@roberthoughton7127 Wings for Marie part 1 and then Wings for Marie part 2 (10,000 days), you should react to both. It is important to know that when he wrote Judith, she was still alive but suffering and paralyzed apparently for 27 years (roughly 10000 days). he wrote Wings for Marie part 1 and 2 after her death, and you can clearly see the change in him. His criticism i think is aimed more toward the hypocrisy in his mother's congregation, rather than Christianity itself

    • @sheri0082
      @sheri0082 6 років тому +10

      Jimmy is a good song to get a glimps of how he felt "losing" his mom at 11

    • @SeditiousJerk
      @SeditiousJerk 6 років тому +33

      Right In Two is a masterpiece of a song. The music is incredible and the lyricism is next level. Would love to hear a reaction to that.

    • @chrisbotha8085
      @chrisbotha8085 6 років тому +3

      @@SeditiousJerk agreed

  • @THExNIGHTMANxCOMETH
    @THExNIGHTMANxCOMETH 2 роки тому +16

    Don’t worry folks, Judith got her wings. Maynard knows that now.

    • @lordj81
      @lordj81 7 місяців тому +1

      Worm food bro. Worm food. Just like everyone else rotting in the ground.

    • @SoDamnMetal
      @SoDamnMetal 7 місяців тому

      @@lordj81 Takes mighty big faith to believe we're nothing more than just a body

    • @lordj81
      @lordj81 7 місяців тому +2

      @@SoDamnMetal there’s no evidence that we are, so to believe anything more without evidence is what faith is. I’m simply accepting reality.

    • @SoDamnMetal
      @SoDamnMetal 7 місяців тому

      @@lordj81 Idk what reality you live in but there's plenty of evidence in mine. If you can't see it, you're not even looking.

    • @lordj81
      @lordj81 7 місяців тому

      @@SoDamnMetal There’s zero evidence of any afterlife or god. The way things work and happen in the world are incompatible with a god. And before we start making assumptions about each other like you’re attempting to do, I was a Christian for over 25 years.

  • @Chvse4U
    @Chvse4U 5 років тому +228

    I like how you acknowledge its still a good song.

    • @jessicajones6839
      @jessicajones6839 5 років тому +1

      @Jesus Christ you are just now discovering Maynard and "A Perfect Circle"? Congrats!! He's also the lead singer of "Tool" and "Pusifer"; give them a listen.

  • @jvergarag
    @jvergarag 6 років тому +179

    something you are missing... Judith didn't wanted to accept any medical treatment, for she awaited to be saved by the power of god...

    • @jvergarag
      @jvergarag 6 років тому +33

      imagine the pain a son feels seeing your mother dying with no hopes but faith....

    • @jvergarag
      @jvergarag 6 років тому +13

      that's very human....

    • @djlightweight641
      @djlightweight641 6 років тому +4

      maybe she was saved by shaking her mortal coil .. its all perspective .. this is why i love music .. power thoughts and emotions

    • @ntab22
      @ntab22 6 років тому +10

      it is one of the most human songs i've ever heard.

    • @hammercrg
      @hammercrg 6 років тому

      I had an aunt that believed that going to the doctor was to question the healing ability and faith in Jesus. Even though there were several doctors put in her path along with the chance to able to get to the hospital that could do the best and most for her, did she not think that maybe her faith in Jesus made it possible for those doctors and hospital to be put in her path by him? We will never know but it is possible that he did put those doctors in her path so that she could have been helped. But, she believed that was not putting her faith in Jesus's ability to heal her. Yes God and Jesus can heal anyone at anytime, those are miracles and they do happen but not the majority of the time. This is a topic that can be argued on both sides, not even sides really but can be debated from many angles as to why things happen...is it to test you or to pull you through a difficult situation and make you stronger for it? His ways are not our ways, we can put our faith in Jesus and rightly so but he doesn't promise an easy carefree healthy life, he promises to never leave you or forsake you. There are many circumstances that you cannot battle alone or are strong enough to battle at all, but Jesus is strong enough to do it through you and no it may not be easy and you may not know why but, it is for his glory. And it's ok to talk to him and question, you may not understand why but you can still ask.

  • @WickedKingLycoan
    @WickedKingLycoan 3 роки тому +243

    A heartbreaking song. I can’t imagine what Maynard went through with his Mother.

    • @antoniodelgado1516
      @antoniodelgado1516 2 роки тому +2

      He could have just named the song,
      "I f@#kn hate you Mommy"

    • @dtcdtc8328
      @dtcdtc8328 2 роки тому +25

      @@antoniodelgado1516
      Hardly, he's angry at the zealots not her and not even God

    • @Hermitelder
      @Hermitelder 2 роки тому +15

      @@antoniodelgado1516 except he didn't hate her ... wtf

    • @antoniodelgado1516
      @antoniodelgado1516 2 роки тому +2

      @@Hermitelder Just her choices, beliefs and ahh yes her F@#kn Christ.

    • @Hermitelder
      @Hermitelder 2 роки тому +1

      @@antoniodelgado1516 right

  • @foreverolly8864
    @foreverolly8864 Рік тому +15

    Gotta be honest, the musicality of APC is on another level. Even pastor had to groove to it when it came on

  • @IceKoldKilla
    @IceKoldKilla 6 років тому +171

    This explains it well. Taken from Wikipedia:
    Keenan's mother suffered a paralyzing cerebral aneurysm in 1976, when Maynard was 11 (the inspiration for creative works such as Tool's songs "Jimmy" and "Wings for Marie" as well as A Perfect Circle's "Judith").
    I also wanna add James's sister took them back to the church his mother always went and she was greeted with blame, judgment and negativity. They said she was paying for her sins and she deserved it. All that instead of helping. So his sister told him she would never take him to a church ever again. And so his frustration starts with that. And all this is in his book A Perfect Union of Contrary Things. Amazing book!

    • @Kornholic
      @Kornholic 6 років тому +7

      MJK doesn't have siblings.

    • @ehdforlife
      @ehdforlife 6 років тому +6

      That is sad, but one should not mistake God's love for us, and the failings of a church. People are all flawed, God is not. Jesus taught about the blind man, is it the man's sin or his family's sin that caused the blindness? “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” Maynard's mom may have been awesome but with faults like all of us and the church may have been wrong to criticize, but God still loved her. And I'm sure she is comforted in Heaven and feels no more pain.
      And Maynard had no siblings.

    • @DM90523
      @DM90523 6 років тому +17

      It was his aunt that took him in after his mother died. This guy is just making up his own assumptions and interpretation - read the book, he explains it. The pastor of the church told Maynard his mom was punished by god for her sins... and he was just saying it’s not like she killed someone or pierced Jesus with the spear. Why was she punished so severely Shen she was a decent human being.

    • @pinksmoke5638
      @pinksmoke5638 6 років тому +5

      Don't forgets his father was also abusive and used god to hold them under his thumb

    • @maureenwagg5305
      @maureenwagg5305 6 років тому +2

      Judgement from "people" who think they are better because they go to church and nothing bad ever happened to them. The old testament is written and translated by human beings, printed by human beings and interpreted by human beings. This is why the bible is problematic to me. Human beings are flawed and some have an agenda.

  • @hamo1701
    @hamo1701 5 років тому +327

    I appreciate your efforts to break this down in a constructive manner.
    I do think you may have missed some of the point of the song though.
    Maynard isn't a believer.
    He is speaking contextually within the framework of his mother's concept of Christianity.
    Your bit about "He creates the light, and the darkness" is on point, but not in the way you think.
    Toward the end of her life, Maynard was sickened by his mother's continued devotion to her faith, because by her own standard "God" did this to her.
    Maynard himself doesn't think "God" did anything to her, but rather, that "He" did in the context of Judith's beliefs, and her lack of self awareness in that respect was the issue.
    He saw that it was indicative of a pattern of abuse between his mother, and her concept of "God".

    • @atomicvinylreviews3420
      @atomicvinylreviews3420 5 років тому +18

      Dude, you perfectly summed it up !

    • @Dobiecx
      @Dobiecx 5 років тому +15

      Exactly. I think if they had a better knowledge of Maynard they might have understood where he was coming from. But they can't be expected to do that kind of research.

    • @johickey3158
      @johickey3158 5 років тому +4

      @@Dobiecx why do a reaction and commentary video if you cant be arsed to do research about the subject?

    • @FMRadio94
      @FMRadio94 4 роки тому +2

      @@johickey3158 most reaction channels don't do the research of what they're listening to, but hey, they had a close perspective of what the song was about and they do enough research with the rest of their videos with really good perspectives, I suggest watching their channel

    • @johickey3158
      @johickey3158 4 роки тому +3

      @@FMRadio94 i disagree, this is a pastor ( a man of God) who presents himself as knowledgeable and "deep" how can you disseminate without research, he's going to slag an artist off he better come with evidence, no wonder your political system is the mess it is with this attitude, some of us pay great attention to the words and behavior of our fav bands over decades, sold out use to be a thing, take it from an old brit punk, this shit means something

  • @58palos
    @58palos 6 років тому +241

    You really should do a little more research. She was abandoned by her church and blamed for her paralysis and she still stayed true in her faith. The whole ordeal angered Maynard because he felt that she didnt deserve to go through that and that God turned his back on her. Huge part of why he is so critical about the Christian faith

    • @JennySujey
      @JennySujey 6 років тому +8

      This is on point!!! I read all of it in his book

    • @Wesleech
      @Wesleech 6 років тому +1

      there trying at least. better then most.

    • @3n1fss
      @3n1fss 6 років тому +3

      That’s only half true. Most of his songs about Christianity are not even about Christians themselves, they are about Jesus personally.

    • @bnferguson9827
      @bnferguson9827 6 років тому

      @old rabidus your spot on !

    • @louispouler6104
      @louispouler6104 5 років тому +3

      @old rabidus there is a difference between Faith and religion in that Faith is the core, God and Jesus, God and Mohammed and the basic principles which is usually broken down to the golden rule. Religion steps in and screws all this up with rules based spin chosen writings by fallible men written and transcribed thousands of times through many languages long after the actual events that more often than not cause division and hate. In this song he is speaking of her congregation and how they abandoned her when she needed them most after all she gave to her church and how he watched her take the burden of blame for her illness hence the lyric being "Fuck your god" and not fuck God. Listen again to the song and lyrics as a whole and at a deeper level.

  • @Daddy53751
    @Daddy53751 2 роки тому +17

    Maynard really opened himself up, and was able to communicate clearly what had to have been an amazing amount of personal anger, pain and confusion.
    Then to be able to turn around and open himself up AGAIN,
    and communicate clearly and honestly, his updated understanding, enlightenment and acceptance in “Wings for Marie pts 1 & 2” is even more stunning. The last line in part 2 just says it all.
    Really just a master class in writing from the heart.

  • @ericadkins5972
    @ericadkins5972 6 років тому +99

    I think he knows it's not literally God that did this. Like his mom sees Jesus as her light, she is his light and is what defines goodness. He is mad and sad and we just so happen to be privileged to hear his process that most of us couldn't begin to articulate. He also dislikes organized religion, so that just brings even more aggression to a song that almost reads like a journal entry.
    In all of his songs pertaining to his mother you can hear him struggle to understand his mom's faith, but also entertain the perspective as if she is right. He's not shy to switch voices and switch tones within a song and sort of expose the internal struggles he's enduring. I think despite the rhetoric of this song, you would enjoy many of the songs from his band TOOL. Wings for marie part 1 and 2 are about his mom and beautifully composed. Research 10,000 days. Her congregation suggested she was paralyzed basically because she was evil or being punished. Sorry for the length. There is much to discuss when it comes to MJK. Thanks for the reaction.

    • @erickraueldallasskywatcher8262
      @erickraueldallasskywatcher8262 6 років тому +5

      Yeah, she got divorced, the church kicked her out and told her God was punishing her because of that ,"why she had an aneryism". They should research more. Read his book !! Tells the whole story.

    • @ericadkins5972
      @ericadkins5972 6 років тому +4

      Agreed. Context always helps. Still a solid reaction, especially for a first listen with minimal knowledge. I love seeing people with various perspectives or ideologies interpret Tool, APC, and Puscifer.

    • @vuton7670
      @vuton7670 6 років тому

      " like a journal entry." this is what I was picking up as well. The rest of what you said was on point, imo.

  • @tonstruck5873
    @tonstruck5873 4 роки тому +133

    Something you have to understand about maynard, he’s extremely quiet about his personal life. He hates organized religion yes but has on multiple occasions said this song does not necessarily portray his feelings on god.

    • @Demention94
      @Demention94 4 роки тому +12

      More so towards other peoples version of God..

    • @viennala2528
      @viennala2528 3 роки тому +3

      The fact that we live in this world were everybody is glued to their smartphone, we have high technology etc. and some people still think that some 'God' is hiding somewhere is joke by itself.

    • @eetan384
      @eetan384 3 роки тому +7

      @@viennala2528 how is that a joke? Smartphones don't even come close to the vastness of Earth and space and universes that have all been created by a higher being. We are tiny in the vast scope of everything that's created.

    • @billchase7817
      @billchase7817 2 роки тому +4

      yeah i don't understand how some people can think we are just here by accident... just look at how things work together in nature, or the fact what we have a conscience even scientists get to a certain point in where they begin to refer to things as " God particle/molecule" because they can't explain things and have to theorize... as a former Agnostic i understand how people can be godless especially those who've only known heartache... but without bad we would not know good, so it is quite literally a neccesary evil. organized religion has nothing to do with spiritually and faith as far as i'm concerned

    • @deadzeppelin9565
      @deadzeppelin9565 2 роки тому +1

      @@billchase7817 with how big the universe is it’s pretty much a statistical impossibility for a planet like ours to NOT have accidentally been formed.

  • @dr.rosenrosen5849
    @dr.rosenrosen5849 6 років тому +334

    Say “Manyard” one more time...

  • @allennewberry2904
    @allennewberry2904 2 роки тому +6

    The fact that you kept listened to this with such an open mind to the actual meaning behind what was being said was amazing. Christianity needs more guys like you. You earned a sub man. Kudos.

  • @coldblooded005
    @coldblooded005 4 роки тому +241

    Even the pastor was like, “damn, this bangs.” Haha

    • @annekerr2150
      @annekerr2150 2 роки тому +2

      I know what you mean I love how his head kept bobbing lol

  • @hereticalhermit8148
    @hereticalhermit8148 6 років тому +245

    Wings for Marie really shows his growth about the subject

    • @BricktowneMedia
      @BricktowneMedia 6 років тому +15

      You should absolutely listen to Tool - Wings For Marie and 10,000 Days (Wings part 2) together off of the album 10,000 Days

    • @joshuahenderson1276
      @joshuahenderson1276 6 років тому +14

      Maynard has not changed his opinion about what he felt was his mother’s misplaced faith by the time he wrote Wings 1 & 2, but I think he acknowledges his mother’s innate goodness as a person despite her motivations for being good, while at the same time being condescending and angry that she went to the grave never questioning what he saw as her ridiculous beliefs. MJK please correct me if I’m wrong. 😏

    • @jordanrichards1774
      @jordanrichards1774 6 років тому +4

      Came here to say exactly this

    • @Tom-vl5gw
      @Tom-vl5gw 6 років тому

      @@BricktowneMedia You may already know about this but the generally recommended way to investigate what you're talking about is listening to the "Secret Song" which is 10,000 days with Viginti Tres and Wings for Marie layered on top of it. here: ua-cam.com/video/EFjEp79zaNw/v-deo.html

    • @sarakaster
      @sarakaster 6 років тому +1

      @@BricktowneMedia Brick you dawg! Et tu Brute? ;) lol you are everywhere where Tool is remotely involved! ;)

  • @king_slink
    @king_slink 3 роки тому +86

    Yes that is a lady singing. She also played all of that sick bass. 🤘

  • @johnoneill6077
    @johnoneill6077 2 роки тому +6

    His mom suffered a stroke and as religious as she was, her faith grew stronger. He, understandably, was upset. When my wife passed it took me 20 years to get back. I do love the lyrics referencing the spear of Longitis. Goosebumps

  • @fattmattamus7534
    @fattmattamus7534 4 роки тому +396

    Even as an Atheist I realy enjoy hearing the Christian prospective! Great channel

    • @trampy6936
      @trampy6936 3 роки тому +16

      I enjoy it specifically because I'm an Atheist.

    • @rustzz8
      @rustzz8 3 роки тому +7

      Meh i went through this situation and now I am an Atheist because God abandoned me. I dont think they understood it exactly but its hard when you haven't been through it.

    • @trampy6936
      @trampy6936 3 роки тому +26

      @@rustzz8 what do you mean God abandoned you? If you're an Atheist you don't believe God exists. So when you say "God abandoned" you mean you discovered he was never around no?

    • @thecoconutgum
      @thecoconutgum 3 роки тому +11

      @@trampy6936 I don't think he understands what Atheist means, Pretty sure he means Ex-Christian

    • @heatherfranks6716
      @heatherfranks6716 3 роки тому +5

      Being an Atheist.....this song hits me so fucking hard. Wow.

  • @WarButler
    @WarButler 6 років тому +2258

    "I disagree because I have the proper understanding"
    An incredibly problematic statement.

    • @No_Purchase_Necessary
      @No_Purchase_Necessary 6 років тому +164

      I agree. Hearing them say that kinda makes sick a little. And I'm not even religious.

    • @jameselliott2884
      @jameselliott2884 6 років тому +79

      Agreed. That is the thing about taking away a message from music or any other form of media for that matter... Whatever you take away from something is what it should mean to you. If it changes your beliefs, great. If it solidifies your beliefs, great as well. I don't believe there is really any "proper understanding".

    • @keithduvall
      @keithduvall 6 років тому +110

      Yeah, him saying that definitely hurt his credibility in my eyes.

    • @wuxiagamescentral
      @wuxiagamescentral 6 років тому +105

      God is unknowable so saying he has the proper understanding is very... I'm not going to say arrogant but I'll say shows high hubris

    • @saintalfonzo999
      @saintalfonzo999 6 років тому +53

      Proper understanding... Yeah ok there bud

  • @BookofJob3XVII
    @BookofJob3XVII 4 роки тому +53

    A great song. As a Christian, during the suffering of my dad’s passing, I knew he isn’t going to get better, I wasn’t praying for a miracle, l pray for a peaceful resolution, still he suffered for 3days before his passing, it was hard for my whole family. After his passing, i questioned my own faith. Like many others, we all can relate to this song.

    • @a.s.4914
      @a.s.4914 3 роки тому +5

      I was raised Catholic, and when my Mom got sick and passed away, I was 17. I prayed so much for her during her illness, anyway, I almost lost my faith, but after some soul searching, I realized that if my mother had died, say, while giving birth to me, I would have never even knew her. I know it's a rose colored glasses thing, but it helped me very much at a terrible time......

    • @SeanyKrabs
      @SeanyKrabs 2 роки тому +3

      Trials and tribulations

  • @rodroller6634
    @rodroller6634 2 роки тому +8

    The man is a tortured genius. Through Tool , Perfect Circle, Puscifer, he continues to amaze me with the quality of his art. Even through his hatred.

  • @uribinator1
    @uribinator1 6 років тому +49

    As an ex-catholic I have nothing but a deep respect for your opinion about this song. It's not surprising to hear you reject the lyrics as a man of faith, but it's really surprising to hear that you can appreciate the song as an amazing piece of art.
    I can only imagine how many times you heard the cries of anger against God when loved ones are taken from the people that come to you for comfort, but I really hope your can ease their pain never armed with arrogance, but with pure love and compassion. Blessings to you and your whole community, and greetings from Chile.

    • @uribinator1
      @uribinator1 5 років тому +1

      @@baconoftheark Thankfully, none of my relatives were killed, but many where exiled to different parts of the world. Thank you for your kind words.

  • @lizbranscumb7675
    @lizbranscumb7675 6 років тому +235

    I am a devout Christian but also a hardcore Maynard Fan and I'm sorry to say dude you gotta go deep in the meaning of the writers lyrics before you critic n judge the song. I have a video where Maynard talks about the true meaning of his song. The song was a vendetta against his Mom's Christian friends who turn there back on her when she became paralyze n he wasn't saying F the actual God he was sayin that to the false God that they believe in. There are so many phoney Christians that so called believe in God n Christ but they have it in where its believe of what there God means to them in there brains rather then true scripture. Maynard knows of Love because he loved his Mom dearly. I am a poet writer and can only say that most writers have hidden agenda behind there lines that come out in a total different meaning to the public.

    • @squirrelynations3832
      @squirrelynations3832 6 років тому +9

      Liz Branscumb I think you got it.

    • @SakuraGirl1987
      @SakuraGirl1987 6 років тому +8

      Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what this is about!

    • @TheInsaneShecklador
      @TheInsaneShecklador 6 років тому +7

      As someone who's mom was bound to a wheelchair due to MS when I was in my early teens up until her death many years later I can easily see where Maynard is coming from.
      Since Liz brought up phony Christians and false Gods I'd like to suggest a song by the band Suicidal Tendencies. "Send me your money"

    • @aprils.8350
      @aprils.8350 6 років тому +4

      That is what it what it is about...with that as with the little info the pastor had and knowing nothing more he did a good explanation of what he got (from some info given before) from the song i can see how he got it....it is like only reading 1 paragraph of the Bible and not reading the whole story

    • @bopchik68
      @bopchik68 6 років тому +3

      I think you're right. I didn't see it that way but now I do. You described it so well! It ties perfectly with Wings for Marie.

  • @torgo4ever
    @torgo4ever 6 років тому +143

    You have made an even bigger error in approaching a work of art as an example of preaching, which it is not. He is expressing what he feels about his own situation and his perspective on it. He never claims that his FEELINGS about his mother's faith are any sort of doctrine, he is only expressing his FEELING about her faith in the face of her struggle and how it is affecting him personally. There is really no debating that this song isn't a very good example of catholicism , but it's equally undeniable that it's a song, art, expression. Yes it is open to interpretation by whomever happens to listen to it , but it isn't offered as anything other than what it is at it's most basic. Music.

    • @PhoenixDecim
      @PhoenixDecim 6 років тому +4

      This is the best comment.

    • @Aaron-zh4kj
      @Aaron-zh4kj 6 років тому +5

      Where does Catholicism come in? Catholicism doesn't equal Christianity. Christianity is bigger than Catholicism. Anywho, I think our friend here did a good job of enjoying the music as music. But though our postmodern world isn't a fan of it, I believe lyrics DO mean something and people DO try to communicate ACTUAL things through music. Sure, I'll take Maynard's frustration and anger for what it is. But the video is a pastor looking at the claims maynard is making and it sounds like he does it quite sensitively actually. Bottom line, I don't think the pastor was preaching. It was his REACTION + LYRICAL ANALYSIS, like the video claimed to be.

    • @toolsannie6625
      @toolsannie6625 6 років тому

      He was 11 years old btw..

    • @underspon
      @underspon 6 років тому

      @@Aaron-zh4kj I don't believe that Maynard was making claims in this song. I believe that he was presenting orders of potential with respect to his familial experience. Looking back on his creation of entire albums which address activity of the psyche, which anyone can address, I am inclined to believe that his treatment of religious symbols in this case is more sophisticated than a cursory, judgmental treatment of cause and effect with respect to divine intention.

    • @ganondorfchampin
      @ganondorfchampin 6 років тому

      No, he didn't. He was pretty explicit that the intention of the song was not Christian preaching, and he rated it highly from an artistic standpoint.

  • @nikkilove4584
    @nikkilove4584 Рік тому +6

    I know I’m way late posting this, but I have a traumatic experience with the church..I haven’t been in years and I don’t claim to know what the truth is, but I appreciate hearing your perspective on this.

  • @janiedoman9336
    @janiedoman9336 4 роки тому +453

    Maynard is a brilliant lyricist and amazing vocalist.

    • @healer246
      @healer246 4 роки тому +3

      Very cryptic also people misunderstand

    • @TheKnockout49
      @TheKnockout49 4 роки тому +12

      The man needs Christ

    • @raulpuertas9310
      @raulpuertas9310 4 роки тому +2

      Josh his soul is already condemned unless he repents but I don’t see that happening.

    • @rugaothegreat
      @rugaothegreat 4 роки тому +15

      @@TheKnockout49 nobody does

    • @sandimartens5174
      @sandimartens5174 4 роки тому +8

      There will never band that is great as Tool. Saw them 2 times in concert and they sound just like the recorded version

  • @caseynave734
    @caseynave734 6 років тому +69

    “Wings for Marie” parts 1 and 2, as well as all of 10,000 Days, was dedicated to lead singer Maynard James Keenan’s mother Judith Marie Gridley. She passed away 3 years prior to the release of the album.
    When Maynard was 11 years old, his mother suffered a brain aneurysm that left her paralyzed for the remainder of her life. Despite her unfortunate condition, she maintained a strong faith in God. Though Maynard would have odds with her views at times (as exemplified in A Perfect Circle’s “Judith”), he espouses in the album’s two-part dedication that because of her faith in such a trying episode, she above all others is deserving of Heaven.
    The 10,000 days of the album’s title refers to the 27 years that Maynard’s mother lived after being paralyzed.

    • @toolsannie6625
      @toolsannie6625 6 років тому +5

      Finally someone got the story right.. Thank you

    • @craigland7349
      @craigland7349 6 років тому +1

      This is what I was told years ago when my birth mother first introduced me to Tool and A Perfect Circle.

    • @Maggot911
      @Maggot911 6 років тому +1

      10,000 days in the fire is long enough
      You're going home...
      "It's time now, my time now. Give me my, give me my, wings." Powerful

    • @nathanallen9265
      @nathanallen9265 6 років тому

      And Jimmy

  • @kameronsnowe903
    @kameronsnowe903 6 років тому +85

    5:08 "I don't know anything about him" yeah, that's pretty obvious. This song is more about the hypocrisy of the people in his mom's congregation than about anyone's belief in a savior.

    • @lucidiously
      @lucidiously 5 років тому +2

      To be fair that is not something that really shows in the lyrics of this song alone.

  • @Ghost3lite21
    @Ghost3lite21 6 місяців тому +3

    And like that, the pastor becomes one of us. Welcome father. Here we are family.

  • @TheWalbla20
    @TheWalbla20 6 років тому +48

    Same here. Not religious, not into Christianity at all. But I’ll listen to this guy. He’s down to earth and reasonable. Not many people can have a civilized argument these days.

    • @joedanero5360
      @joedanero5360 6 років тому +2

      Bob seems like a really great guy. The son of any man this sweet and dear is faced with great difficultly at even just the though of breaking their heart.

  • @c.sharpe6500
    @c.sharpe6500 5 років тому +228

    "Wow" - Owen Wilson

    • @TheChutneypot
      @TheChutneypot 5 років тому +2

      lmao

    • @drpeppero3
      @drpeppero3 5 років тому +2

      I want to upvote...but if I do It would be 70.

    • @unfriended3031
      @unfriended3031 5 років тому +2

      This made me LOL from the surprise of it so hard I pulled something! Thanks! ;)

    • @dannyoi7173
      @dannyoi7173 5 років тому +1

      😂

    • @dougcox8053
      @dougcox8053 5 років тому +1

      Hahahah

  • @kahar2065
    @kahar2065 5 років тому +38

    On the title of the album, "Mers de Noms", almost all of the title tracks are names or refer to names, e.g.,
    Judith, Magdalena, Rose, Orestes, Sleeping Beauty, Thomas, etc.

    • @D3epb1u3
      @D3epb1u3 5 років тому

      I never knew that, thank you!

    • @emanuelruiz7710
      @emanuelruiz7710 4 роки тому

      I've always wondered why they were all names. Now it makes sense. Lol

  • @carloslopez1582
    @carloslopez1582 Рік тому +2

    I've always liked this song.
    I used to blame God for my poor choices and not getting what I wanted or thought that I needed.
    But now I'm hoping to see the light.
    My God my Lord my Jesus Christ.

  • @iluvatar2239
    @iluvatar2239 6 років тому +124

    I have to say. I clicked this to laugh at how mad you would get, knowing this song. But I am genuinly impressed. And yes he is usually bald. You should listen to wings for marie 1and2. In it then he finds a kind of peace with his mom and her god after her death.

    • @TheSpelingChamp
      @TheSpelingChamp 6 років тому

      Jc Wilson iiii

    • @darkaero
      @darkaero 6 років тому +1

      He's bald or wears a Mohawk when he sings on Tool and wears a long wig when he sings on A Perfect Circle

    • @mukmewx
      @mukmewx 6 років тому

      I second this! But beware you might get teary eyed!

    • @rogercruz1547
      @rogercruz1547 6 років тому +1

      Wings for Marie (pt1) and 10 000 days (pt2) made me cry. The song is beautiful.

  • @Wglass90
    @Wglass90 5 років тому +331

    I give you props for keeping an open-mind, but as others have explained you completely missed the entire point of the song. Maynard isn't expressing his anger against Christians as a whole, but towards the congregation that ostracized his mother after she was bound to a wheel chair and got sick and the blatant hypocrisy that Christians commonly display. The way I see it, if the shoe fits. Wear it with shame.

    • @thomasbowe9956
      @thomasbowe9956 5 років тому +32

      It's the dudes first time listening. Did you understand the meaning and or message of any tool or apc song when you first heard it? Because if you say yes, then I call bullshit.

    • @Wglass90
      @Wglass90 5 років тому +8

      ​@@thomasbowe9956 The time from when I first heard Tool's songs back in the mid/90's where there weren't many technological options and now where you can easily research things is a huge difference. "Listening to it for the first time" shouldn't be an acceptable excuse these days.

    • @briantripoli5348
      @briantripoli5348 5 років тому

      Exactly

    • @cookinvic
      @cookinvic 5 років тому +7

      This guy seems to always miss the point of the songs. Honestly he’s terrible at this.

    • @VictorLugosi
      @VictorLugosi 5 років тому +1

      Wglass90 he was actually... go watch the vineyard tape where he says he hates Christianity

  • @tictheghost
    @tictheghost 6 років тому +76

    Great reaction! Wings for Marie & 10000 days in one sitting.

  • @sloppyy
    @sloppyy Рік тому +1

    i've always been atheist, but props for denouncing the prosperity gospel. whole lot of people believe the more money you have = the better a person you are

  • @Zu33s
    @Zu33s 6 років тому +331

    Maynard does not make errors.

    • @Spthomas47
      @Spthomas47 6 років тому +7

      *Reverend Maynard
      ;)

    • @TheTexasbro19
      @TheTexasbro19 6 років тому +9

      Except the new apc album

    • @Zu33s
      @Zu33s 6 років тому

      I believe you are mistaken.

    • @TheTexasbro19
      @TheTexasbro19 6 років тому +1

      What's a good song maybe I'll give it another listen? Just haven't been able to get into that album like all their other music

    • @3srs5U
      @3srs5U 6 років тому +5

      don't you mean Manyard

  • @Birdtron
    @Birdtron 6 років тому +88

    I’m an atheist and I’m on Maynard’s side here - but I love love love hearing counter arguments and love the openness and discussion. Growing up Lutheran this was very interesting for me. Nice job y’all 👍🏼

  • @alexjany1969
    @alexjany1969 6 років тому +59

    Woooow!! Wings for Marie both parts... song of Judith’s death

  • @JonsBasicGaming
    @JonsBasicGaming Рік тому +1

    I've watched this again. Months later. You are a good man. I don't follow Christ but you are a good man. I will never understand why good people suffer. I envy your faith.

  • @StigmaShadow
    @StigmaShadow 5 років тому +329

    Thor and Loki have put aside their differences I see

    • @Gibson_Praise
      @Gibson_Praise 5 років тому +1

      Nice

    • @lidiaenglish7891
      @lidiaenglish7891 5 років тому +1

      Hahahahaha

    • @last7509
      @last7509 5 років тому +1

      Interesting. .. because Thor and Loki seem to represent Lucifer and Satan who some claim are different people. Maybe there are indeed 2 of them like in the Prestige.

    • @mscloudherder329
      @mscloudherder329 5 років тому

      StigmaShadow ...oh my gawd ... LOL!!!

    • @joecoopermeister
      @joecoopermeister 5 років тому +2

      wow nailed that one to the cross

  • @vivianfreitaswithazhomesty4532
    @vivianfreitaswithazhomesty4532 3 роки тому +25

    This is a genius way to get the younger generations to hear discussion of the good book. I’d call myself “spiritual”, but I appreciate your willingness to hear and discuss things that may completely go against your beliefs.

  • @jaimeefg
    @jaimeefg 4 роки тому +55

    I'm a huge fan of Maynard's work, and I understand a lot of his lyrics but you gave me another point of view, the anger of the song is now more understandable thanks, greetings from Mexico

  • @jaysmixtapes2925
    @jaysmixtapes2925 Рік тому +2

    The song wasn't about MJK being mad at God, he was mad because his mother's church said she brought the sickness on herself. This is coming directly from MJK in interviews and his book, "A Perfect Union of Contrary Things".

  • @jonahfrost8946
    @jonahfrost8946 3 роки тому +121

    You don't have to agree with the lyrics to feel and understand and appreciate the emotion and pain expressed in them.

    • @laslw
      @laslw 3 роки тому +6

      I don't fully agree with the lyrics, though it is one of my favorites they've made.
      Definitely a good song with a powerful message behind the lyrics, displayed with lots of emotion behind it.

    • @adam7810
      @adam7810 Рік тому +1

      The song bears a similar resemblance to the Songs of Lament in the Book of Psalms. Expressing pain and anger with God is a form of worship if done with the intent of surrendering that pain and anguish to the only one with the ability to remove it

  • @eirienevenstar
    @eirienevenstar 4 роки тому +13

    Haven't been a Christian for a good few years now but I still love to see Christian people praising songs I love even though it speaks out against your religion. It's heartwarming and I hold a lot of respect for you!

  • @tyfoo
    @tyfoo 6 років тому +58

    I, too, get the goosebumples from MJK's lyrics :)

    • @ChataineDeirdre
      @ChataineDeirdre 6 років тому

      Saaaame

    • @fusionundercat8205
      @fusionundercat8205 6 років тому +1

      Personally, I think that the bible is a collection of stories. There are some that believe it happened verbatim, but like any written publication by humans, there is room for interpretation

  • @raymondgerardcarls4741
    @raymondgerardcarls4741 Рік тому +2

    "Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children."
    - Eric Draven
    I don't know Maynard personally, I also don't have a clear understanding of Christian theology. But what i'm quite sure of is that this is created out of love for her dearest mother, expressed in the form of song.

  • @troydarakjian8137
    @troydarakjian8137 6 років тому +49

    I like this pastor. I’m not religious at all but I like the fact he can discuss. Even if I don’t agree with the opinion. To me this is what it’s all about. being able to discuss, agree to disagree and have a mutual respect for ones opinion.

    • @lauraoverstreet5457
      @lauraoverstreet5457 6 років тому

      Same

    • @TH3F4LC0Nx
      @TH3F4LC0Nx 6 років тому

      He's obviously highly educated, and not just biblically.

    • @TH3F4LC0Nx
      @TH3F4LC0Nx 6 років тому

      Well...by that I take it you're probably one who doesn't like what he has to say...

    • @TH3F4LC0Nx
      @TH3F4LC0Nx 6 років тому

      I mean what he stands for, you know, as a pastor.

    • @TH3F4LC0Nx
      @TH3F4LC0Nx 6 років тому

      Well, I would just like to point out that molesting children is predominantly a Catholic thing, occasionally a Mormon thing, and that the guy in the videos is a normal Protestant pastor. And while I suppose Christian ministers can be greedy just like everyone else, they really don't hold a candle to Scientology, a religion founded on monetary principles. So...yeah...

  • @unknownmulatto
    @unknownmulatto 6 років тому +54

    Maynard understands the theology perfectly. He was raised in a devout Southern Baptist family. He is just disagreeing with it and pointing out what he personally finds to be contradictions. The biggest problem he seems to have with God's supposed plan is the amount of suffering it seems to involve. What is the limit of necessary evil? His argument: if God is so good, why does he need to use such overwhelming levels of suffering to make his plan work and for us to be guided towards him? This is what drives the anger of the song. Also, for additional background, one of the major themes and motifs of Mer De Noms is forgiveness and it's different stages.

    • @davisiimdavisiim1295
      @davisiimdavisiim1295 6 років тому +3

      Why are any evils "necessary"? An all loving god would have made an existence without such a thing...but since it exists this completely discounts to the Christian god of the bible by their own definition. Seeing as how they say the bible is the inviolable word of god then the book destroys its own god through logic.

    • @unknownmulatto
      @unknownmulatto 6 років тому +2

      @@davisiimdavisiim1295 That's how Christians will spin the Argument from Evil unfortunately. It's a manipulation of the idea that suffering is beneficial to growth.

    • @squirrelynations3832
      @squirrelynations3832 6 років тому +1

      Men in positions are who give out the pain and suffering not God. People bound in religion are the ones that get the suffering with no remedy cause they follow men and this world system. It’s in everyone’s faces and they will refuse to see it.

    • @unknownmulatto
      @unknownmulatto 6 років тому

      ​@@scottlefaivre2446 Oh I know he's from that area. Did you think I was saying he was from the south? Southern Baptists aren't just relegated to there. The name is such only because that denomination of Christianity has it's roots in the south.

  • @brandonclark7867
    @brandonclark7867 4 роки тому +48

    I’m so deeply impressed that the younger guy remained quiet the whole time so that the pastor could have a an interrupted reaction. Very cool

  • @nwsrcphotog
    @nwsrcphotog Рік тому +1

    Interesting facts about this song and video.. the bass player/backup singer is Paz Lenchantin who is now with the Pixies…
    The music video for Judith was directed by David Fincher, then known as the director of Fight Club, Se7en, and music videos for Aerosmith, Madonna, and Michael Jackson.
    There is also a radio exit version of the song where the line is changed to “Love your God!” Instead of the ‘f’ word

  • @Nick-uh5et
    @Nick-uh5et 5 років тому +71

    Pastor was digging the sh*t out of this song...lol...it is a good song....

    • @roberthoughton7127
      @roberthoughton7127  5 років тому +22

      Its been so long since we did this reaction. I hope to revisit it again.

    • @lydia5649
      @lydia5649 3 роки тому +1

      @@roberthoughton7127 always good to see and listen an open-mind, even though I'm not in religions.

  • @harryhines7635
    @harryhines7635 5 років тому +47

    Im not in any way religious, I still find this very interesting to hear what these guys have to say, especially about a song that is (lyrically) so different their views,

  • @jeremysudduth132
    @jeremysudduth132 6 років тому +30

    Her name was Judith Marie. You should listen to Wings for Marie part 1 and 2 off Tool 10000 days. It goes hand in hand with this song! Same vocalist Maynard!

  • @StephenMcDowall
    @StephenMcDowall Місяць тому +1

    The opening lyric is one of my favorites of all of Maynard’s writings. Deep emotion.

  • @XlxlXDarkoXlxlX
    @XlxlXDarkoXlxlX 5 років тому +12

    Let us remember, though. This was not the end of the story for Maynard. After his mother’s death, I think that his feelings may have evolved some. I think he found some sort of closure. I don’t think he ever really forgave those that had forsaken his mother. But instead he found peace for her. (As heard in 10,000 days) “This little light of mine, a gift you passed unto me. I’m gonna let it shine to guide you safely on your way...” Several other lyrics in that set of songs hinted at Maynard’s coming to terms with his mother’s passing and his peace with her unrelenting faith. I feel that Judith is just part of the story and reflects his feelings at that point in his life.

  • @evansandstokes1977
    @evansandstokes1977 5 років тому +56

    If Judith found comfort from her faith, then that should be enough, whether you believe in Christ or not. Hats off for MJK for writing such wonderfully provocative lyrics and you, Pastor Rob, for tackling such a challenging subject.

    • @bradhaines3142
      @bradhaines3142 5 років тому

      but how could lieing to yourself be 'enough'? thats what gets me with this subject. like in movies when someone is going to die and the other person says 'youre going to be ok' even though they know they're going to die in seconds. meaning well isnt always doing well

    • @norightturn7047
      @norightturn7047 5 років тому

      Some people take comfort in torturing small animals. Is that enough for you?

  • @nicknormousreports3378
    @nicknormousreports3378 5 років тому +126

    You're such an inspiration for the ways that I will never ever choose to be.

    • @jamesfinely2486
      @jamesfinely2486 5 років тому +8

      you do understand the meaning of that line right? hes saying his mothers situation is the reason why he will never believe and trust in god. hes not saying anything good there

    • @bt6135
      @bt6135 5 років тому +1

      Agreed. I guess Christians are like the police. Don’t really care for them until you need em. Lol

    • @BetaRacer24
      @BetaRacer24 5 років тому +6

      JAMES FINELY thats why he said it

    • @GaryFlores
      @GaryFlores 5 років тому +10

      @@jamesfinely2486 OH YOU DON'T SAY?! captain obvious

    • @derreklabonte1676
      @derreklabonte1676 5 років тому +1

      @@jamesfinely2486 you kinda missed it. Maybe think of it as different views of good.

  • @rcstraka
    @rcstraka Рік тому +1

    It was written more to express how he could not believe his mothers faith in the church had gotten deeper, even though the church turned its back on her, and basically stated that she deserve to be where she is because of what she had done

  • @thomasbowe9956
    @thomasbowe9956 5 років тому +209

    I love tool/apc/Maynard, but I never understood why the fan base is so pretentious. It's the dudes first time listening to this. For anybody to act like they had the meaning of the lyrics and song figured out when you first listened, you're lying.

    • @JT_Grogan
      @JT_Grogan 5 років тому +5

      Exactly and what do you really expect from a Christian minister lol

    • @KurNorock
      @KurNorock 5 років тому +29

      @@radbarij don't get me wrong, I'm just a passing random atheist, but Christianity doesn't make any claims that God is giving pastors access to information that the rest of us don't have, or the ability to instantly understand tool songs.

    • @replayreviews6339
      @replayreviews6339 5 років тому +7

      Completely agree. The level of smug within their fan base is ridiculous. They literally worship the guy. Like. Chill. I love tool and anything Maynard. But lord. Give it a rest.

    • @SEAHAWKPAIN
      @SEAHAWKPAIN 5 років тому +2

      Ben Detta Maynard himself gets tired of how ridiculous they are.he’s said so many times

    • @sickofhuman84
      @sickofhuman84 5 років тому +1

      No. You are just slow.

  • @mrmeme177
    @mrmeme177 4 роки тому +152

    Please... the whole video I was waiting for the pastor to analyze the lyrics “he did it all for you”, but was sorely disappointed. In my opinion these five words turn the whole meaning of the song 180 degrees. If the lyrics are as ignorant as the pastor implies than it would be “he did it all to you”. “He did it all FOR you” emphasizes the redemption that would be presumably granted to his mother for her unwavering faith. He (God) did it(allowed it to happen) for (to have or take possession of) you (Marie). That is why she can demand her wings in the song Wings for Marie Part 2, elevated to heaven.
    We can also take this one step further as if she (his mother) is saying this sentence to Maynard or even the church community. God did this all to her, for them, so that they may live by her example of faithfulness and therefore be redeemed also.
    He was angry and questioning but there is an answer by the end and a redeeming quality by summary. Even if it’s only for her.
    I could be wrong but am I really the only one whose thought of this?

    • @Dang3rMouSe
      @Dang3rMouSe 4 роки тому +9

      Good interpretation. Would love to hear Maynard's meaning on these lyrics

    • @thirdeye440
      @thirdeye440 4 роки тому +35

      Overanalysing separates the body from the mind.

    • @destroyermaker
      @destroyermaker 4 роки тому +21

      I see Wings as a shift in perspective caused by her death. He's less harsh on her faith now.

    • @dcinsc
      @dcinsc 4 роки тому +8

      Well..Maynard's mom isn't singing it, so no, you can't take it as her words to others. Interpretation is fine but it has it's limits. Sometimes, even with Tool, the most obvious answer is the correct one. "He did it all for you" is merely a spiteful comment to his mother in an attempt for her to realize how illogical it is to worship God, especially considering what happened to her and how it completely debilitated her life.

    • @destroyermaker
      @destroyermaker 4 роки тому +2

      @@dcinsc You should read my comment again

  • @charger2501
    @charger2501 3 роки тому +88

    As an agnostic I do like how they can put the emotion of the song as the focus and feel his pain and not just dismiss it even after the line "F*** YOUR GOD" slapped the pastor in the face it would have been easy to be tainted by that sentiment alone. That is what an open mind looks like religious or not saying this in 2021 most people are prone to knee jerk reactions we need to be like this more often

    • @angelabartolone9150
      @angelabartolone9150 2 роки тому +1

      Well said

    • @joseandresreyes
      @joseandresreyes 2 роки тому

      I saw that it was thank your god

    • @joseandresreyes
      @joseandresreyes 2 роки тому

      But I also heard a different version also

    • @philippbrogli779
      @philippbrogli779 2 роки тому

      As a Christian in the secular world I'm familiar with people having aggressive emotions towards my believes and some even think I'm mentally ill for believing it. Of course if I'm confronted with the emotions directly it is difficult not to be affected. But I can understand their feelings. I understand where they are coming from.

    • @darryllzwiers7257
      @darryllzwiers7257 2 роки тому

      Agnosticism is weird aye. We want God but can't feel it. I wish I did. Some of the most serene people I have met are Christians. I think that's something worth understanding.

  • @twiftree2532
    @twiftree2532 Рік тому +2

    Bad things happen because nobody is truly pure. What a convenient loop. A perfect circle if you will.

  • @mapexzildjian6361
    @mapexzildjian6361 6 років тому +27

    Judith Marie is his mothers name
    (Judith) is part 4 of a story.
    1. Jimmy
    2.Judith
    3.wings for Marie
    4.10,000 days.
    ...you should definitely listen to and read (Parabol+Parabola)

    • @roberthoughton7127
      @roberthoughton7127  6 років тому +6

      Wow! I didn't know this. Thanks for sharing. I look forward to taking the journey from song one. I read the lyrics to wings last night and can already tell it's going to be a good song.

    • @GK-ub9wf
      @GK-ub9wf 6 років тому +4

      Judith is 2, wings and 10000 days is 3 & 4. Wings/10000 days is his acceptance after the anger phase that was Judith.
      1. Jimmy (1996)
      2. Judith (2000)
      3. Wings/10000 Days (2006)
      Wings and 10000 days should be listened to in one sitting as they compliment each other.

    • @JustKidding6n1
      @JustKidding6n1 6 років тому +4

      I would add “The Patient” between Judith and Wings for Marie.I mean it’s not necessary, but gives more insight into MJKs dealing with his mother’s illness and and passing.

    • @marcovanveen5287
      @marcovanveen5287 6 років тому +1

      @@JustKidding6n1 Orestes by APC can be added to this list as well.

    • @dubyajayyo
      @dubyajayyo 6 років тому

      Steve Straughan
      I think Momma Sed by Maynard’s third band, Puscifer, fits the theme. Also Sour Grapes on a more general theological topic for these guys.

  • @Coledebord2
    @Coledebord2 4 роки тому +17

    I love the fact that he still likes the song despite disagreeing with it to his core.. cannot deny a good song when you hear it..

  • @Danny-ii6ub
    @Danny-ii6ub 6 років тому +174

    “Manyard”
    *EDIT* *..IT..IS..MA’AMYARD!

    • @HaphRound
      @HaphRound 6 років тому +9

      Lol thought I was the only one who caught that

    • @ethanharrell7094
      @ethanharrell7094 6 років тому +8

      My gears began grinding each time I heard......ManYARD lol
      Respect though to him for having good musical tastes despite the teachings he is surrounded by.

    • @HelmHouse3
      @HelmHouse3 6 років тому +2

      THANK YOU!!! FFS

    • @stevesherlock5334
      @stevesherlock5334 6 років тому

      Danny 😂

    • @schismatic37
      @schismatic37 6 років тому

      😂😂😂

  • @MrJRondo
    @MrJRondo 8 місяців тому +1

    The problem with theodicy is that we consider it a problem because we're holding God's standards to our own and putting our sense of right above his.
    I watched a YT video about it after a college philosophy course.
    I'm not Christian, but I admire those with faith, of all kinds.

  • @garrettmartin6087
    @garrettmartin6087 6 років тому +47

    Knowing what you know about this song, listen to 10,000 Days by Tool. 10,000 Days came out 6 years later and showed the change in Maynard’s perception

    • @spiralout1999
      @spiralout1999 6 років тому +2

      I also commented they should review 10,000 days

    • @ethanharrell7094
      @ethanharrell7094 6 років тому +1

      I was going to say the same thing, took the words right out of my mouth!

    • @spiralout1999
      @spiralout1999 6 років тому

      They did! Actually, I didnt realize it when I commented.

    • @coreysmith2605
      @coreysmith2605 6 років тому

      Right in two.

  • @darkhymn
    @darkhymn 6 років тому +165

    As an atheist, a former Catholic, and a fan of APC and this song in particular, I enjoyed hearing your views on the song and on the message, and I respect your views though I largely disagree. One particular statement; that you "have the proper understanding" hurt your point a great deal in my eyes. You'd have been better served by "my interpretation of the scripture is..." As an individual likely to have reviewed a great deal of scripture, you must be well aware that the Bible was written by fallible men, and that as such much of it is riddled with contradiction and inconsistency, which precludes any objective conclusions. You seem like a man blessed with a good mind and I believe you meant well here, but you would do well to remember that how you choose to convey your message has a great deal of impact on how it will be recieved.

    • @johnnywalkersboyx572
      @johnnywalkersboyx572 6 років тому +7

      Thank you for putting my anger into a (proper understanding. ) seems like a okay pastor, but he lost me on that one.

    • @jaybee6701
      @jaybee6701 6 років тому +2

      I am also an atheist and a recovering Catholic, I agree as well but wouldn’t say he lost me or hurt his point. I can understand why he would use the terms he did, and also it being poor word choice with its obvious ability to induce a distasteful, immediate primordial reaction which can quite quickly shut down a person’s previously open mind. Also fan of APC Tool Pusifer and MJK, I completely respect their views and commend them on their format; particularly their call in the beginning of the video for critical analysis in the comments regardless of like or dislike of the video.

    • @waynemcfarland4143
      @waynemcfarland4143 6 років тому +2

      Personally I cannot comprehend atheism. My opinion is you can't have something from nothing. There must be a creator.? I see a pattern with Catholics becoming atheist or losing faith. I believe this stems from false teaching and misinterpreted bible verses. Catholics teach idiology. They worship Mary more than Jesus. That's sinful. Theres more beads represented for her than for Christ. They pray to statues and worship pieces of skin and blood of mortals. I feel that's why Satan has been able to tempt and infiltrate the Catholic church. Priest are taught to be selibic. The bible teaches that a man and woman are to be together. That's why these priest are molesting children. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, again this is my opinion. I urge you to seek God and salvation thru Christ.

    • @jaybee6701
      @jaybee6701 6 років тому +3

      Wayne Mcfarland you contradict yourself in your second sentence. If your opinion is you can’t have something from nothing, where did the creator become from? That would also basically be not only something out of nothing, but as you believe he created everything it is everything oit of nothing.

    • @ohmfacekiller1377
      @ohmfacekiller1377 6 років тому

      You make an excellent point. That bit struck a foul chord with me as well. Far too reminiscent of the "if you dont understand, just believe" lines I have heard. While it does exemplify a major issue in Christian, and really all organized religion, I think we all have to step back and put this in context. This guy is doing something good here, and just as he has to exercise patience and understanding, so do we. I see these videos as a great opportunity to create more understanding between very opposite groups, and that is always a good thing.

  • @LJTEAM0723
    @LJTEAM0723 5 років тому +145

    Maynard wears a variety of wigs in his appearances with A Perfect Circle.. you are indeed right, he is bald..

    • @nick3718
      @nick3718 5 років тому +13

      He had a Mohawk Mullet for a while lol

    • @nikolaosskordos4641
      @nikolaosskordos4641 4 роки тому +4

      Back in the day he had a great dragon hawk that was derived from the spirit of an ancient world destroyer.... But yes, now he’s bald :)

    • @negativezero8174
      @negativezero8174 4 роки тому +3

      The Bald are a deceitful people.

  • @martinmartin1363
    @martinmartin1363 2 роки тому +2

    We suffer from the day we are born till the day we die, but if we have faith in Jesus he will carry us through the bad times, and those who allows to suffer greatly he raises up onto his shoulders to show the world his mercy and gives them the strength to endure any trials or tribulations , he will give his grace,his love,his peace, to endure all trials and tribulations.
    The devil is prowling lion looking for someone to devour, stand up to him strong in faith.
    God bless.

  • @lazyadobo5125
    @lazyadobo5125 6 років тому +92

    Look at the song titles of the whole album, they're all names, hence sea of names.

    • @anthonyhurley4393
      @anthonyhurley4393 6 років тому +7

      Sleeping Beauty is a title, not a ‘proper name’, ‘3 Libras’ fits in that demographic too......but good try.😒🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @jamiecrable6555
      @jamiecrable6555 6 років тому +1

      That is incorrect, you will not be taking home the million dollars! Next contestant!

    • @wyattasbury4535
      @wyattasbury4535 6 років тому +2

      The hollow, Rose, thinking of you, over... those some odd names

    • @AntonioPenja
      @AntonioPenja 6 років тому +1

      Wyatt Asbury rose is not an odd name

    • @pjyorde
      @pjyorde 6 років тому +1

      Three Libras "a name down among a million same" and the logo tie into the relationship between Maynard and Billy.

  • @stellarplaylists
    @stellarplaylists 6 років тому +43

    "Judith" by B. Howerdel and M. Keenan
    You're such an inspiration for the ways
    That I will never ever choose to be
    Oh so many ways for me to show you
    How your savior has abandoned you
    **** your God
    Your Lord and your Christ
    He did this
    Took all you had and
    Left you this way
    Still you pray, you never stray
    Never taste of the fruit
    You never thought to question why
    It's not like you killed someone
    It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
    Praise the one who left you
    Broken down and paralyzed
    He did it all for you
    He did it all for you
    Oh so many many ways for me to show you
    How your dogma has abandoned you
    Pray to your Christ, to your god
    Never taste of the fruit
    Never stray, never break
    Never---choke on a lie
    Even though he's the one who did this to you
    You never thought to question why
    Not like you killed someone
    It's Not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
    Talk to Jesus Christ
    As if he knows the reasons why
    He did it all for you
    Did it all for you
    He did it all for you

    • @thehighpriestess8431
      @thehighpriestess8431 5 років тому

      Stellar Playlists God did not do anything to us. We chose to incarnate do experience being a human, regardless of how f#ucked up we humans believe or think it is what has happened to a human(s).

    • @elidegeer9007
      @elidegeer9007 5 років тому +2

      @@thehighpriestess8431 Those were simply the lyrics.

    • @Graphaeli
      @Graphaeli 5 років тому

      +Two of Pentacles L

  • @mainHERO88
    @mainHERO88 6 років тому +24

    I would LOVE to see Maynard's reaction to this video.

    • @feral11-11
      @feral11-11 6 років тому +1

      @Boot Hat Any insight into Maynard's mind that you have would be appreciated.

    • @feral11-11
      @feral11-11 6 років тому

      @Boot Hat wow!

    • @Danieditz887
      @Danieditz887 6 років тому

      I concur

  • @rollotomassi4768
    @rollotomassi4768 2 роки тому +7

    This is art. Great musical composition, with amazing lyrics that express so much hurt Maynard felt. You don't have to agree with the lyrics to appreciate it.

  • @Plazmattack
    @Plazmattack 5 років тому +106

    This dude's take on the whole situation is exactly why Maynard created this song.

    • @TheNumerum
      @TheNumerum 5 років тому +1

      Exactly 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @rosscarpenter9611
      @rosscarpenter9611 5 років тому

      I don’t understand, please explain?

    • @ascend3654
      @ascend3654 5 років тому +2

      Maynard had help to write the song. From ... others. You may laugh.... but his drummer famously asks those others for assistance with his work.

    • @CoryBizz
      @CoryBizz 5 років тому

      I wish I could hit the like button a thousand times

    • @nickpickerwi7787
      @nickpickerwi7787 5 років тому +6

      @@rosscarpenter9611 Because the song isn't so much a dig on God, from Maynard's perspective, it's about (and in ways from the perspective of) the other "followers of God" who rejected Judith after the stroke, and even made it seem like she deserved it because of something she did in God's eyes. They falsely applied Christian logic to her situation and outcast her. They failed to look beyond their pompous self-aggrandization with compassion. Maynard's saying "fuck THAT God" ...who would quickly turn his back on his believers...the God that all of the other followers that rejected Judith believe he is.
      And these guys (no fault of theirs, they didn't know the context) completely misjudged the message and simplified it into a penny candy sermon.
      Maynard is criticizing the average follower of the Church.

  • @harrychapter4806
    @harrychapter4806 5 років тому +36

    Also, Judith is one of the apocryphal books of the Bible...
    Worth mentioning, in this context.

    • @crotchrot31
      @crotchrot31 5 років тому +1

      Judith is not a book of the bible

    • @JohnBarber
      @JohnBarber 5 років тому +2

      @@crotchrot31 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

    • @johnlucas2317
      @johnlucas2317 5 років тому +2

      It's also the name of Maynard's mother, who the song was inspired by.

  • @iMACHINEfpv
    @iMACHINEfpv 6 років тому +33

    Robert, I'd be willing to bet or assume that you and Maynard would have a fond appreciation for each other, only because he'd open up his views to hear you, as you have done for the art he's presented.. You'd be surprised to learn he is quite intelligent and his understanding of religion reaches quite far.. He also has a very proper understanding that most Christians assume and judge others with just a few shreds of information, as you have done in this video..

    • @roberthoughton7127
      @roberthoughton7127  6 років тому +7

      We’ve all got to start somewhere. I’ve learned a ton reading the comments on this video. Actually about to listen to MJK audiobook. Still think he’s off on his understanding of Christian theology but I don’t doubt he’s an intelligent man otherwise.

    • @iMACHINEfpv
      @iMACHINEfpv 6 років тому +4

      @@roberthoughton7127 Thank you for replying! I also saw the followup with Wings 1&2. Even had my wife watch and we both thought that you've both really done wonderful in exploring this (these) musician(s). We (my wife and I), were both were raised Christians, who also realized all too young some of the hypocrisy in the church. We were not allowed to question anything and it put a real divide between what I then, and mostly still feel about Christianity. Wonderful teachings, a true guide to our confused hearts with the understanding that religion, and it's believers can be just as diverse as any understanding or other religion that I've come to know in my 41 years on this planet. We're all humans. That's about the only thing that makes perfect sense to me. :)

  • @stephenroby8498
    @stephenroby8498 Рік тому +4

    This is a song about a man who grew up with a loving mother that suffered in her later years. Her faith never stopped making Maynard question everything including why his mother was so faithful. He has three bands, with Tool being the oldest. Tool has the songs "Wings of Marie parts 1 and 2" His mothers name is Judith Marie, and his stance on God softens. But his anger still remains. The girl was the bass player at the time.

    • @natman2939
      @natman2939 Рік тому

      What girl is the bass player?

    • @stephenroby8498
      @stephenroby8498 Рік тому

      @@natman2939 Paz Lenchantin (born on December 12, 1973) is an Argentine American musician. She is known for playing bass in various bands, including A Perfect Circle, Pixies and Zwan.

    • @natman2939
      @natman2939 Рік тому

      @@stephenroby8498 but how does the sentence “the girl was the base player at the time” connect to everything that came before it?
      I read the comment multiple times and you were talking about the song, Maynard, his mother. Then at the end you just add “the girl was the bass player at the time” as if you had mentioned a girl anywhere previously other than his mom.