There's an unintentional genre known as "grimderp", which happens when people try to make grimdark but make it so dark it stops being scary and just becomes funny.
Next time I write a story it will be very dark. The plot isn't dark, but it takes place in a very dark room at night. The entire story will be about some guy sleeping.
He awakens needing to pee, but do to a power out he struggles to find the bathroom. He tries to describe what he thinks is in front of him, and uses this to navigate. His eyes slowly start to adjust to the darkness but only in time for him to have already found the bathroom, where his journey comes to an end. With a subtle (or not so subtle) theme of the unknowns of life and the struggles of our mere existence. The darkness of the room being The unknown. His eyes adjusting being growing old and maturing to the world. And obviously, his journey to find the bathroom being the trek through life. Meaning the bathroom (and peeing) is death.
You know I remember this time my sister was telling me about her perfect overpowered Harry Potter roleplay OC. When I questioned the complete lack of character flaws she explained that she gave her character the flaw of randomly violently murdering people for literally no reason. Because that's a character flaw that is a sign of brilliant and ingenious writing.
Fire Wolf I want to read a story like this. Mary Sue joyfully skipped down the road and saw her neighbor John. She killed him. She continued skipping to school, a trail of blood following her on the pavement.
If you ever read Cassandra Clare’s writing don’t worry, she has love dodecahedrons in her novels. All the shitty love tropes you can wrap your mouth around.
But making a story super duper edgy makes it super deep and interesting, especially if you take the shadow the hedgehog route and add swearing and guns.
@@iamRageTheWolf You feel the edge's sharpness as it cuts you to shudder. You feel your black blood oozing from your veins as life is drained from you, and you are overcome by DARKNESS.
sward Ariffin It could be anything, They never die, but keep aging. They’re tortured for eternity. They are rendered insane. You could also take a page from Greek myths and use one of their eternal punishments.
Herein is my grimdark story. *THE BLACK PLAGUE* Once upon a time, there was a village. Someone in the village got the plague. Then, everyone died. The end.
Everyone always looks to Nazis for an evil empire inspiration. Personally, I’d use the Aztec Empire for grim-dark, because there’s probably more material for body horror
@Miroslav Baldzhiev No, nazi-phobes like me just don't like people that murder millions of innocents based on religious beliefs, heritage and political opposition. Edit: Since there seem to be a lot of people who misinterpret this statement, let me clarify. I was arguing here with a fellow commenter who was apologetic towards national socialism and its crimes, who may or may not have been joking and whose comment was deleted. I have absolutely no beef with @Aaron Landry and his statement about artistic choices concerning grim-dark empires and the Nazis being a bit over-done in works of fiction. I actually agree. I was merely discussing with someone who thought that the Nazis weren't that bad. So, can you half-wits please stop telling me to "suck it up" or "not be such a SJW pussy" because you were too dumb to check the context of the conversation, please?!
This is why orks are the best 40k faction-they’re both incredibly brutal AND hilarious, providing levity while still fitting into the grimdark setting.
A Grimdark setting can be funny to a reader while still being absolutely horrid in-universe. 40k would be a living nightmare to actually live in, but to us readers who know it's a work of fiction, "Hyper-oppressive Theocratic Neo-Rome that worships a sentient corpse on a throne killing equally hyper-oppressive or just straight up omnicidal aliens and eldritch demons" is just plain stupid (in a good way).
I think the staple grimdark villian is the playfully insane guy who enjoys doing all the same horrible things the protagonist does the only reason the protagonist wants to kill him is because he is enjoying himself and thats illegal in grimdark.
Yeah. He enjoys it so much, you start to wonder if he's the author's avatar. "I'm going to make these two heroes fight each other! Wouldn't that be fun? I know some people who would watch that."
Remember Ladies and gentlemen: grim dark stories are accurate portrayal of reality, and anything that shows anything positive and upbeat is false; hope doesn't exsist!
If you ever see a "DC vs Marvel" argument devolve into comparing the movies, *As Always* just summed up the sadly all-too-common defense for DC films... ... ...Random side-note, _I LOVE_ *The Lego Batman Movie!* ;^)
That is so true! As a history buff, nearly all period piece movies come off as unrealistic to me because everything is grey and brown and all the peasants have dirt smeared on their faces. Note to filmmakers: Old photographs are black and white or sepia because the limitations of technology back then, not because the world was literally all grey and brown! And even the darkest parts of human history had silly parts in them too, just look up "Mad Jack" Churchill, an officer fighting in ww2, probably the worst war humanity has ever seen, carrying a broadsword and a bagpipe. Reality is weird.
ChaosRayZero I just like the darker takes DC has, and the way Marvel handles humour makes me want to burn houses down. (And I admit DC is a victim of going too far into it)
I'm sorry but I can't take your grimdark world seriously because your weapons are not bedazzled with barbwire and jagged metal fins. Everything must be pointed and cut in the most inefficient way possible. Even guns and casual attire. Especially attire. Oh, almost forget, every weapon is poisonous, even if that is not how poison could work.
You forgot also the dark coloured filter on the camera (most likely blue or green) and Dutch angles or shaky cams to make sure the audience feels sick... Heu I mean feel destabilize !
This is literally the only genre my AP English teacher will have us read and analyse. Granted those books are BETTER than most, but they're all dark and depressing and apocalyptic.
@@liamsteamwalsh8421I agree, the problem is the lack of creativity of the authors imo. Which make most stories like what they described repetitive or unoriginal to some extent.
In order to make grimdark truly work you need Orks. Because as much as it would be nice to paint the entire setting deep black, if you want your setting to go anywhere you'll get there faster if you paint it red.
You see, just like the term _"Impressionism"_ was originally coined by academic critics in order to mock the painters who disregarded the traditional canons, the term _"Grimdark"_ was originally coined in order to make fun of super-edgy literature. unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-is-grimdark.html
Remember all historical events happened from 1939-1945 litteraly nothing else happened Write another cliched man in the high castle rip off about how Nazis are bad and they would be even more bad if they won
"Isnt this puppy adorable? You should get attached to it. OH NO IT'S DEAD! YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!" Literally every anime I watch that kills off a cute character without earning the right to make me feel genuinely sad about it first.
**cough cough** ...Kana from Parasyte. **COUGH** I know I might get some flak from that, but I seriously don't see why people are sad that she died. She was a stalker and an idiot who had it coming! Even *Migi* said she was bound to get herself killed eventually! I'm sorry, but what?
Akame Ga Kill anime in a nutshell. "Isnt this character great? Here's a backstory so you will get attached to him/her. *5 minutes later* Oh no! He/She is dead! You should feel bad!"
DreamyChara I’m just saying Onion man is 1000% worse than a 14 year old sociopath. 14 year olds don’t have a mob of edgy girls still obsessed with them
Actually, the devs have stated that in at least one ending of the original Dark Souls, it does work out, and at least one world lives happily on, escaping the horror. But... Yeah. Dark Souls was inspired by Berserk, so a certain amount of nihilistic horror is present.
You have no idea how hard this made me laugh. You also forgot to mention "And people will love your story and see it as mature because of all the sex and murder that happens - because it's 'realistic'."
Hahahahaha yes! Absolutely. If people aren't murdering each other while having sex, in whatever disturbing order that happens, it's not mature enough for adult audiences & therefore will lose everyone's interest...
Hey murdering each other and having sex at the same time can be mature, if its written in a bizarre coherent fascinating context, or a good written sexual serial killer, or an odd sex death game. Or in a very strange porn idea. Or when vampires do it. But that would need good writing.
You forgot the most important step! Once you establish that the world is a terrible place coated in a neverending rain of misery and despair, you then have to figure out how to make things worse so that your characters have something to oppose!
Actually good 40K authors tone down the GrimDark just a tad in works that don't involve audience participation, like the tabletop itself or video games.
Related reading recommendation, ciaphas cain books. Because good 40k can be self aware and fun. The settings grimdark, but is also a grab bag of parody, unreliable narration and over the top cool.
The Ciaphas Cain books are actually good because they take the WH40k universe seriously. As in, we see a more realistic portrayal of the Imperial Guard and the Imperium's many planets. We see the IG actually being competent, with officers and leaders who actually care for their lives and the lives of civilians instead of cartoonishly incompetent generals sending wave after wave of them into the crossfire just because they have reserves. We see characters with actual lives, emotions and loyalties instead of just a bunch of grizzled uber-machos or crazed zealots brooding and thinking about warfare 24/7. We actually see the nekrons, the tyranids, the forces of chaos and even the orks as credible, but not insurmountable threats. We have actual spots of levity and hope, but just enough to serve as a juxtaposition of how dark the rest of the universe is, elevating it and making it feel more real. Before I read the CC novels, I was totally burned out on the WH40k universe because of a combination of darkness induced audience apathy and the cartoonishness of the setting, yet they single-handedly turned my impression around. I heartily recommend them to everyone interested in the WH40k universe but daunted by all the grimdark crap it produces.
The problem with WH40k is just the sheer number of, often contradictory, books. For every good novel, there are three grimdark gorefests where everyone dies in the end and nothing is accomplished, because they have to keep up the status quo until the next edition comes up.
-Just because you don't read certain books because of the reviews, it doesn't make then any less canonical or reflecting the broader WH40k universe than the ones you read. -No one is talking about universal change here. The Ciaphas Cain books are perfect examples in this regard. They actually save the planets. They actually save the civilians. They actually reach compromises and deal with the threats. They change the status quo for the better. But for every CC book, there are five where the plot boils down to "Group of characters embark on mission/land on planet -> fight-fight-fight-fight-fight -> everyone dies, and in the best case scenario they accomplish their goal in the process, which preserves the crappy status quo, or in the worst case (and more common) scenario, everything goes to shit anyways."
You know, I find it ironic that grimdark writers forget dark humor exists. For example: "Welp, half our village is dead... On the plus side the food shortage is now no longer an issue." That joke alone would be both give context for how bad the situation is, and provide comedic releif so that the next tragedy might actually sting.
I once found a forum where people were discussing a joke they found in a grimdark book. As part of a ritual sacrifice, a child is disemboweled, but manages to die without screaming. An onlooker, seeing this, observes: "He had guts."
I think its really context specific in grimdark if dark humor is apropriate or not. There are some situations when humor can really take you out of the suspense and feeling of a scene. Alot of modern stuff tries to be way too quipy and it ruins it.
Man. And then the next time half of their remaining village is dead again. A character finally breaks it and yell at the sarcastic snarker, "Yes, another half of the village is dead again. Yes! we no longer have a food shortage! What's next?!"
“The author should present life as so awful that the reader seriously begins to wonder how people even get up in the morning.” Literally Club Penguin Shutdown in a nutshell.
In real life humans dont just kill themselves No matter how much they suffer they are more likely to Endure sufferIng For another day Than to kill themselves
This legit gave me the idea for a story involving something that twists traditional narrative on it's head by having someone with all the traits of a stereotypical hero actually being an egotistical sociopath, while the character who seems like the villain is actually a good guy that wants to help people. The story at the beginning gives subtle hints in the background to the true nature of the characters before it's then revealed in a surprising gut-punching way.
@@samuelrodriguez9801 SPOILERS FOR NIER: if you replay the game after beating it, you can understand the shades speech. They're sapient and didn't want to fight, you're just slaughtering them and invading their homes.
Blood for the blood god? Is that a DoTA reference? Also bloodseeker ain't even that dark. Read into his lore, it's just... I don't even know how to describe it.
Because trivializing rape for shock value and being horribly offensive to actual victims of rape just shows how EDGY we are. On that topic, TWA should do a Creepypasta episode.
@@kriegscommissarmccraw4205 The Imperium runs a gigantic xeno-hating empire full of autistic space hulks. Most humans generally have an awful existence. Eldar/Dark Eldar murder-raped a murder-rape god into existence. Also xenophobic. Live in constant fear of said god and too small to do anything about it. The Ork are, well, Ork. The happiest race. Tyranids are hungry hungry hippo-bugs. Necrons are old cranky automatons that wish to kill all life/regain life. Most are emotionless slaves. The Tau are a authoritarian caste society that (possibly) mind controls it's people and those who it assimilates. Better state of living (at least, compared to their enemies) and overall much happier compared to a Hive City citizen or a Necron warrior. So even IF you believe that the Tau hypnotize their people, they're still by far a more preferable alternative to the Imperium or most other factions.
8-Bit Theater had the better idea for magic. Rather than having it powered by evil, have it powered by love. BM: "Love is a very powerful force. Even more so when it's focused into a coherent beam of destruction. Every time I cast Hadoken, it siphons away some of the love in the universe. I'm not sure how much, but I'm given to understand the divorce rate goes up with each blast."
“Some might worry this sudden shift will irritate audiences and break their suspension of disbelief to see a previously established sympathetic character suddenly decide that infants made for great sandwich spread” He just expressed everything wrong with game of thrones without even meaning too
I could press the like button, but that would imply positivity, and we have no room for positivity because this is GRIMDARK! Here's a baby bear, isn't it cute? Look at those beady little eyes. Well now it's dead, you should feel bad.
Remember guys: There's no despair without hope. If you're story is incredibly dark from start to finish, the audience will stop caring. But throw in lighthearted moments, make characters temporarily happy, give them hope... Then, when something really bad happens, it'll _hurt._ Yeah, I know, you still shouldn't write a story just to make it dark. But plenty of stories benefit from that kind of tone, so you might as well tear your audience's heart out while you're at it. xD
Like making hero just the villain wearing a mask, or a mere puppet to crush any remaining opposition? BTW that is a very old political move, known even in the times of the ancient Roman republic.
I think that Madoka Magica does this extremely well--after That Episode it gets increasingly dark but it also teases you with the promise of trying to find a way out.
Actually that's the point, if everything is dark people wouldn't want to read it, even worst, they would laughed at the characters deaths when you should cry instead.
@@Tacoguy1000 True, though that sometimes might even benefit the mood. Depends on what you're going for. Personally, I like stories with both dark and light elements, where the good guys achieve great victories as often as crushing defeats. But it depends on your style, really. Sometimes, this sinking feeling of "I don't know what, but _something's_ gonna go wrong" is just perfect.
I like The Dark Knight but that movie is singlehandedly responsible for the current "grimdark is realism" trend. The irony is that The Dark Knight is an optimistic story at it's core. It explicitly stated this theme when the boats refuse to kill each other.
I wouldn't put it all on The Dark Knight, though it's certainly a contributing factor. I've lost count how many people, who must really, really hate their lives, equate "horrible" with "real". Mind you, there are folks who survive horrible experiences that stay with them the rest of their lives (Jack Kirby and his lifelong nightmares of WWII come to mind as a mild example). But the loudest advocates of this are often the ones who have never been near such.
I would agree. The people who do live these types of lives are very rarely out and open about it because closing yourself off is a common defense mechanism. As far as modern storytelling goes though most "realistic" stories are told by people who live very mundane lives and have absolutely no point of reference on how to confront genuine repeated trauma. Whenever people point out how popular stories contain dark moments they tend to focus solely on the dark moment itself (Batman losing his love interest) and totally ignore how that darkness is dealt with in the story to give a sense of levity (Batman being motivated to disprove Jokers' ideology and succeeding).
@@isaac1670 Yeah, that's the thing. While the darkness can and often does crush people, it doesn't have to. And there are enough real world examples of people who do something with what horrible things happened to them to make the world a better place (a point, you might be interested to know, that was made in the documentary "Batman Unmasked", released around the time of The Dark Knight and I'd recommend looking up on UA-cam to get a unique perspective on the Batman mythos). It's just a combo of no direct knowledge mixing with psychological immaturity to me when the loudmouths I mentioned before lean too hard on the darkness. I think you can agree that one direct result of Dark Knight was the dark overtones of DCEU on characters where it did not fit.
@@ComradeDragon1957 It isn't. It uses a dark tone to tell a story about hope in average everyday people. The problem isn't with The Dark Knight it's with the writers and directors who saw it and said "oh, so if you make everything dark and miserable then you've told a good story," that is the worst lesson you can take away from that movie.
Technically its fossilized marine snow so mostly planktonic algae mixed with the scattered bits of the creatures that fed on them before they met their untimely demise and became buried underground. Plants are a very specialized group of algae that adapted for terrestrial environments and thus don't contribute much to oil instead plant matter predominately forms coal
wait this whole series has been sarcastic?! But I already wrote a first draft of my story it has like 18 love triangles, love triangles within other love triangles, I have background characters with love triangles, and I even have a love dodecahedron. I guess this is all worthless now
It's not truly a love triangle unless you've got a quantum superposition of a love hypercube, all its higher-dimensional counterparts, and a love simplex.
@Marco Consorti I'm way ahead of you, the villain is in love with the hero's childhood friend, who's in love with the hero, and the hero is in an intense homosexual relationship with a horse, and the horse is apart of a seperate love triangle entirely.
One thing a lot of people forget is if you take away all hope form a story you also take away all fear. If I don't think things can get better then what's the point in trying?
"Ask yourselves, all of you: What power would Hell have if those imprisoned here were not able to dream of Heaven?" - Morpheus (Sandman #IV, by Neil Gaiman)
I like how there’s a bunch of people saying “so warhammer in a nutshell” despite not knowing how those stories actually play out Warhammer 40k plays out like a classic tragedy. Where characters have Nobel intentions but also one or two glaring character flaws, I’ll use the big E as an example The emperor sought to make humanity the dominant race, and after Millenia of observing humanity he had a few ideas on how to do it. He thought that to properly unite humanity he needed to be uncompromising, logical and not swayed by emotion, however these ideals festered and grew darker, as he took more and more atrocious actions for his cause, by the time of the great crusade he was all but human, and it was this that lead to his downfall. As his primarch sons viewed him as they’re father but he viewed them as mere tools and disregarded their emotions, it was ultimately this that lead to the rebellion known as the Horus heresy, and in his finally moments in the battle with Horus, his favourite son he is shown to have had some dormant humanity left in him, and he could not bring himself to kill his favourite son. The man who had ordered mass genocides had realised the error of his ways as he was finally forced to take the life what to him was a person, not some nameless, faceless crowd. Another thing that can be noted is that he thought religion divided humanity and conflicted with his ideals of rationalism, however centuries of harbouring this view lead him to be zealous in his anti religiousness, to the point of making irrational claims of there being no gods or supernatural powers despite the opposite being very much true and persecuting those who do not strictly adhere to the practices of your belief, and in the end his fanatical denial of religion lead people to believe “The emperor preached rationalism and free thinking, he also claimed fervently that he was not a god, yet he stood as a giant, with chiseled features, ornate golden armour and an aura of golden light, clearly this was a test, and he actually is a god” and this mindset bred the imperial cult with degenerated into a fanatical cult with no regard for free thinking. But instead of realising this people just brush it off and say that 40k is grimdark for the sake of grimdark
One of my headcanons about the Big E is that he's perfectly aware of what's happening after he got interned in his throne, he sits in horror as everything he's done has led up to this point, where half of his sons are now the pawns of chaos while the loyal half are currently missing
@@controbot2557 I am not sure how much he can afford to be horrified between being the battery in the lamp that is the Astronomican, keeping the gate of the Imperial Webway gate closed so daemons don't flood Terra, and being in enough pain that probably a sizeable population of Drukhari could live on Terra without the need to engage in the usual drukhari activities that are necessary to keep their souls not-devoured-by-She-Who-Thirsts....
So I've been writing a DnD campaign with elements of Grimdark. The way that I've done without it becoming a stupid parody is... a) The characters are genuinely good people and in a world that is getting worse and worse b) The fun gimmicks of each city have slowly become all consuming from war c) The characters are running away from that war d) The problem they are dealing with are personal, they aren't trying to save the world, just the friends they've made. e) The general tone is comedic, with the serious elements hiding in the shadows waiting to strike... I love it
Curse of Strahd is ripe for grimdark done right. Puffin Forrest's campaign on youtube for instance has each choice of who to save sealing the fate of other beings.
"I don't know what a cinematic universe is, but it sounds like it will make a lot of money, unless you're DC." More like _only_ if you're Marvel. Name one other cinematic universe or attempt at one that's been successful.
I think that when all characters are actually well-meaning and moral, (even the villains) the "Grimdark" setting can make the plot events have more impact, so instead of the typical story that goes: "Yeah, everything sucks forever, and we're all gonna die, so this is a terrible person you should care about because... Nevermind, he's dead..." you make a story where characters aren't stupid, evil, and try to change their circumstances... Only to fail at that and fucking die tragically or something... Like the best written books in the 40K Horus Heresy series... I also think characterization is the only important thing to avoid the darkness-induced audience apathy, because everything is horrible, but at least you find this person interesting and want to know what happens to them...
"I also think characterization is the only important thing to avoid the darkness-induced audience apathy, because everything is horrible, but at least you find this person interesting and want to know what happens to them... " THIS! I've heard that if your audience doesn't care about your characters, then they won't care about the story.
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Your sarcasm so accurately described _The Walking Dead_ that I was crying from laughter by the end. I used to love that series. Quit watching that soap opera two years ago.
I'd personally recommend the Telltale video game series as a much more thoughtful alternative. Not often you watch a little girl grow up in the midst of a zombie apocalypse and the conflict and stakes are a LOT better handled, I promise.
You mean "Rick Grimes's Personal Hell: The Series"? My fan-canon for that shitshow is that Rick died in Episode 1 (eaten by Zombies while he was asleep, natch) and everything after that is just his own torment. That's how the world conveniently reshapes around him to screw him over constantly, even to the point of villains just appearing from the aether to inconvenience his life further. That's why Villains get infinite supplies of completely loyal goons despite having obvious flaws, while Rick's happy little gang never gets beyond "one soap opera" in size. That's how zombies are only ever a problem for Rick and co at times that'd be inconvenient for him, while nobody else seems to struggle with them a bit!
+Stuart Conrod Yep, I mean, the show goes out of its way to portray the fact that its zombies keep decaying until they are not even able to walk anymore, losing limbs left and right, just to showcase its make up artistry, but then HOW is it so that there is always hundreds of barely decayed zombies at hand near the Rick's-soap-opera gang? I mean, some zombies wear clean-ish clothes. Clean-ish clothes in zombies, years into the zombie apocalypse. Come on, it was unrealistic enough that the protagonists have constant access to that. lol
@@neatopapito8260 I have the first volume and really liked it but then I saw they ditched the artist of said volume and was so disappointed I didn't feel a desire to read the others
0/10 forgot the impossible-to-pronounce town names To future Grimdark writers: Your story is worthless unless every single name contains at least a "k" and every town name ends in "burg" Pfft... your protagonist's name is Jhon? Nope unless it's Jkhonr I'm not reading it
Actually turns out he’s broke and streaming it to a kinky site somewhere for cash. He says it’s just an act and everyone is either too embarrassed or turned on to report it. It would be the most realistic hidden magical world I’ve seen. Complete with the fact All magic powers only work on individual minds and are hard to prove scientifically.
"...even as he slaughters orphans along with the couples who were about to adopt them." So they had it coming, is what I'm getting here. After all, these were *couples*, not the far superior love triangles. Natural selection at its finest.
The franchise from which the word "Grimdark" is derived - Warhammer 40,000 - is grimdark, to be sure, but it's grimdark with a heavy dose of self-awareness. The setting is dark and gritty to the point of silliness, meaning that the whole thing swings back around to just being blackly comical. Just look at the memes: "Sir, our Imperial Guard forces have taken 90% casualties. We still have numerical superiority." Additionally, the various novels often have properly nuanced characters, and the "grimdarkness" (war, slavery, evil gods, monsters, etc.) is explicitly stated to not affect everyone. There are places in the galaxy where people are just chill, and that's also considered part of the setting.
I must respectfully disagree. 40k is Dune... plus a load of other stuff. This makes it a total farce, but a farce which is oozing with the potential for good narratives.
@@Grymbaldknight Well that's you're opinion, and I respect that. But I still prefer Middle Earth and Star Wars legends.Not grimdark,but I don't read a lot of exremly dark stories and I never read Dune before. Plus 40k's quality of writing got shit in 2010 and just kept getting worse and worse.
I don't thinks he's hating on it, he just explores the tropes involved in a humorous manner. He said himself that tropes aren't good or bad per se but only a tool and it depends how you utilize them
I mean pretty much every point he brings up in his videos are actually adressed in w40k simply because of how much development that universe had (I mean it's been around for over 30 years with dozens of writers constantly adding lore so it's not really surprising
And in grimdark films be sure to give the film a grey or black filter to show how sad, depressing and hopeless everything is. Because the makers don't understand that a dark tone is a metaphorical thing. It doesn't mean it has to be literally dark.
It's funny that the franchise that spawned the term "Grimdark" (Warhammer, maybe 40k in particular, but I am not sure), was intentionally going as dark as can be to be satirical and show how silly grimness taken to the extreme can be. And then a bunch of people just decided to play it straight without the satirical edge and completely miss the intended point.
@@andreyv.vieira521 Finally someone who realises that... I learned about warhammer 40k in 2017 and already I am tired of people trying to make unironic sense and even political statements *facepalm* out of a setting where the nicest deity around wants 1.000 human sacrifices daily
@@konnosx1213. Clearly, you haven't read many of the novels surrounding the franchise. They flesh out the universe in ways that contradict your statement.
@@williamfrancis5367 I never said the universe isn't fleshed out but you csnt be invested in a world where everyone is a psychopath... I understand the factions being all grey or evil but there are no characters in warhammer that anyone can identify with. Even the good primarchs have committed ridiculously terrible atrocities (Vulcan burned and entire planet to extinction because the population -that not only were primitive human tribes powerless to fight back but didnt even want to fight back- had the audacity to not hate the local Eldar) to the point where you cant really sympathise with any of them. Most of Warhammer content tends to look at the pre Heresy era as some sort of great paradise but the Great Crusade was beyond shit for anyone and everything in the galaxy that breathed (including humans) Emps could make the main villain in any other universe ever and he would still make no sense because he supposedly did all of it to save the galaxy. Seriously I am not saying that a setting shouldn't have things like racism and war and prejudice and fundamentalism, no, all of these things make sense but they only make sense when we care about the people in the story. And Warhammer's cast of overpowered badasses is far from identifiable or sympathetic. And if all of this is just them making the point that "Yeah this universe... would be bad to live in" Well no shit! I dont think it needs to be said. Warhammer in my humble opinion should remain exactly what it is: Just a setting filled with unapologetic awesomeness without any reason to it. Warhammer 40k is swallow and that's ok, it was meant to be just the backdrop for a strategy game, it doesnt need deep complex themes or even a linear story it only need reasons to have city sized robot churches to exist. And it already does. Comparing it with the world of Beserk or the Witcher novels is kind of meaningless. These worlds sure have shitty regimes, shitty races, shitty attitudes towards said races but the focus is not "Oh look the world is shitty, how shitty can it be, I'll make it shittier, feel bad" its Guts and Gerald and Yenifer and Griffith. Simply indtrocuing a world where everyone is intentionally or unintentionally evil, no one ever wins, everyone has an awful life, even gods are nothing but assholes with superpowers, the weak are bulletfoder and no one ever has it well is easy, I can make a universe filled with magnificent amounts of shit and call it a day, but this means nothing. Even if you are shocked at first by the atrocities of the Imperium or Chaos, or the Dark Eldar you will just scrub it off since in the end... well realistically this would never happen, it isn't a future that you fear might come. And without characters you cannot suspend your disbelief. Especially when some writers try to portray the Imperium or the Tau as good guys Another problem is that there is no desirable ending What I mean is that I cannot route for a faction in warhammer 40k... I dont want the Imperium to win because it means the annihilation of countless races and human civilisations and those that survive will live under a theocratic regime where the Emperor and his Majorly Asshole sons will basically dictate everything based on their view of a perfect mankind, I dont want Chaos to win because it will mean the utter destruction of the Galaxy and everyone turning into mindless demonfood that begs for death. I dont want the Eldar to win because they are basically the British Colonial empire on steroids and they will probably turn every other species to slaves for ever while they monopolise the secrets of eternal life. I dont want the Orks to win because that would be less a win and more prolonging the galaxy spamming war for ever. I dont want the Tyranids to win because it would mean everything is eaten. I dont want the Tau to win because the will just force every other race into sterilising themselves and subsequently going extinct while they rule the galaxy as slaves to the Aethereals. And I dont want the Necrons to win because their gods will kill everything. When you want no one to succeed then you are not invested. And when you have no compelling characters to route for success in their personal struggle you are again not invested. And a stereotypically good ending of everyone just being friends would be ridiculous and cheesy and it wouldn't make any sense That is because warhammer was never meant to have an ending good or bad... because it was never meant to be a linear story Even if we take humanity fuck yeah to the extreme you can still not route for the Imperium because they have killed trillions of humans and made life worse in thousands of planets Take for example the aforementioned world of Caldera, the Imperium found a peaceful planet of humans that couldnt cause any problems for them and just exterminated all life on it because of blind conviction despite the fact that said people had the keys to the web way (you know the exact thing Emps wanted) and this was before Emps got chair-ed Even if you try to go full edgelord and route for Horus it is impossible since Horus wants to become emperor and make Chaos-Imperium-on-Steroids-fuckemal-edition 90% of battles in the Horus Heresy series leave the Imperium with no redeeming traits as nothing but assholes that invade planets inhabited by other human societies and making things five times worse for all parties involved because humans were too dump to keep in contact with their own colonies and Big E was a radical atheist before understanding he was actually helping the chaos gods all along with his Crusade (as if the trillions of flayed, raped, disintegrated, mutilated, otherwise-metal-album-cover-ated corpses and the galaxy ending war were not enough indication that his plan to create demigods and order them to conquer the universe was not a great idea) Why should I feel for any "good guy" in this universe?
@@konnosx1213 that's the thing that made 40K interesting imo, that there are no "good guys ve bad guys" every single race (except the weaboo space communist) are gonna try to kill you.
@@ZacharyReaper I understand that, and I am not saying you shouldnt like it, I am basically listing the reasons this doesnt work for me so much and why I think it doesnt work when WH40k tries to be anything deeper than a simple game setting
But Beaubian! You forgot about the kinky sex. We should aim to show those high fantasy prudes that we think sexuality can make a positive difference by having tons of sex scenes in our books. No need to give characters relationships based on mutual trust and compromise, instead have it be based on neurosis and complexes. And have the characters betray each other, or even murder the other in the end. See? We think human reproduction is positive! Also note that if something bad happens in real life it's perfectly okay to write entire paragraphs on it, no matter how banal or tiresome it is. People poop, therefore I should fill my grimdark story with scenes of people going to the bathroom!
" People poop, therefore I should fill my grimdark story with scenes of people going to the bathroom!" Actually this could be a pretty funny thing if done as a form of satire. A thing that always caught my attention when reading the Harry Potter books was that no one was ever mentioned pooping, peeing, taking a shower or brushing their teeth.
@@Henry258654 True; most authors don't really spend much (if any) time talking about bodily functions or basic daily hygiene that most people would assume is happening. It is somewhat implied that someone must have used the bathroom at some point since there is a bathroom ghost and people know if its existence... Video games also tend to skip over such things. Its kind of funny to play for hundreds of hours, wearing the same outfit, running all over the world and not once is there any mention of showers, baths, or doing laundry. To be fair, can you imagine how annoying a video game would be if it was too realistic? I'm in the middle of killing these orcs, but now my hero is under a "need to poop now" debuff that is reducing my dexterity stat by 100 due to having to clench butt cheeks.
flex prime Does hell contain an entity that makes adults go insane yet inexplicably gives children superpowers, and who won't stop sneaking into my Orbiter to jumpscare me?
Mostly yes. It contains chaos gods representing 4 raw range of emotions: Khorne(rage and desire to kill), Nurgle(desire to live and acceptance), Tzeench(desire to change, hope and conspiracy) and Slaanesh(freedom, pleasure and obsessions). Adults go totally insane at best or become corrupt. The grimdark of 40k does not allow a good thing for kids sadly but we can tell ourselves the legion of the damned protects them against danger.
I, The First Primaris Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge and Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman Victrix Guard, Guilliman student, leader of the Sicarius Council and the biggest Gary Stu of all Warhammer 40k, come from the grimdark (now grimderp) work per excellence: Warhammer 40k. Exept for Ultramar of course. That's still like in 30k.
I, Kharn, Previously 8th Captain of the World Eaters and Equerry to Angron, now known as Kharn the Betrayer, Slaughterer of untold millions and chosen of Khorne, And, generally pretty nice dude outside of combat, am too from the Grim Darkness of the Far Future where there is only war.
I loathe that trope when the writers center the whole story around the protagonist taking revenge on someone killed off in the first two minutes. It doesn't matter if the writer says that the hero has loved their girlfriend/brother/mentor their entire life, we, the audience has only known them for two minutes and has no reason to care.
The Bourne movies got that part right, when he loses his girlfriend it happens on the sequel and we had the whole first film to know her and their relationship
How come nine times out of ten the author/story writers try to make it out that the protagonist's quest for revenge is a something which is so cool and unique because it's not purely paragon, even though anyone above the age of eight will accept that taking justice against a one-dimensional puppy burning villain, when no one else will, is justified. It's really just moral by another name because they are justified in their revenge. What if... Their quest for revenge is ultimately detrimental and unnecessary? In which it does more harm than good, for the protag and his/her current situation. That might be interesting. Then again, it walks the tightrope of characters need to be logical to be believable but also needs to be driven by emotions and whatnot, to come across as more human. They have to be relate-able but eventually not relate-able, when they take their quest for revenge too far.
@@Nai-qk4vp What do you mean? I look forward to it. If my daughter has sex at the right time, the whole family will have something to eat for Christmas! Yeah, the incubation will be a pain, but it'll definitely save a lot of money. I think Jonathan Swift had a recipe for that. If not, I guess I could use a suckling pig recipe and replace the meat. This is sarcasm, by the way. I'm not whatever it is you're disapproving of.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Wow, this really didn't age all that well now, did it? RIP Miura, i can only hope his colleagues ever decide to finish what he started.
@@DaSquareful And don't forget to save Metropolis by leveling every last one of its skyscrapers down to the bedrock. Humans tend to love that kind of thing...really.
The Zero Zero You've missed the point of that scene. John wasn't saying "You should let people die". He's basically saying "He doesn't know what the choice is and isn't going to force Clark to choose." He's priming Clark's future self to make the choice to be a hero rather than make it for him. Because if Clark shows off his powers now, he'll become an outcast. Here's the scene from Birthright that inspired that imgur.com/sfhyKTY
Sharp Design Quoting CinemaWins "Ah, Here we go again. From what I can gather, this is the moment lots of people, especially the critics turned off their brains. This is not my usual defence of the indefensible, this is plain as day. If you didn't get it please pay attention now. Batman does not spare Superman because their mother's share the same name. Batman has spent 18 Months obsessing over this killing the alien who can destroy the earth. It isn't until Superman uses the name that the alien becomes humanized. At first, Batman becomes even more enraged because he thinks it's another trick. Once he realizes, it's Clark's mom's name does he start that maybe they're not so different. He never considered the evil alien had a human mother or let alone be willing to die for her. But Bruce couldn't save his mother. No matter how many goons Batman Brands, he was just a helpless kid when she was killed just like Clark is now. He'll Never be able to bring his Martha back. Now he has an opportunity for redemption, It literally has nothing to do with their mother's having the same name, that was just the spark (that you can see snapping Bruce out of his kill rage) that showed him Superman wasn't pure evil. With potentially his last breath he asked his killer save someone else. There's no argument. It's not confusing, It's not grasping at straws. It's in the narrative. It's the entire reason we were shown the murder of the Wayne's one more time. This moment goes down as one of the biggest problems amongst dissenters when it's actually one of the most emotionally stirring and theme appropriate scenes if you're paying attention. And the reason why he decided to team up with Supes is because he was finally able to listen to logic now that his kill rage is gone""
“I know! I’ll include a scene where the main character gets tortured and raped! That will make it really dark! Of course I can’t bring it up again that might make people sad.”
"What, use such extremely stressful, traumatic, and possibly physical health imparing experiences as chance for future character development or just their background, possibly around acting tough as nails but actually being emotionally fragile, recovering from the trauma, straddle the line between revenge and justice, rediscovering some joy and hope in life, re-inventing themselves, but never really being able to avoid the nightmares and forget the angst? NAAAAAAH, they will be completely fine, and will never ever speak to anyone about it to let out steam, everyone knows mental health is BS."
My rule of thumb is unless you want to highlight it, you want to keep those details in the background at best. There are great stories out there about the protagonist being raped and then becoming a hero (Hey Berserk the manga/anime where everyone has been raped at some point)… But generally speaking the audience doesn't LIKE rape... so MAYBE don't include it for no reason. Not every book needs to be the Handmaid's Tale (and that book is given FAR too much credit)
Oh my, calling out so many """realistic""" authors; I love this topic for the video. I think this really had to be addressed. Not every story should be nihilistic and extremely cruel to represent reality. Really good video.
@@DarkSpyro707 Gritty stories are fine, but life doesn't consist of solely torturous conditions for society. It should be contrasted with moments of happiness every once in a while.
It's easy to say that it 'should be', but is it really my dude? Grimdark stories claiming they're a portrayal of reality are totally allowed to do so because that is reality for some people. Romantic or less moody stories can also claim to be realistic cuz that's how it happened for some people too. Don't discredit things so easily.
As in the creator of The Consuming Shadow, my favorite Lovecraftian dungeon crawl? No wonder I like his game if he was smart enough to figure THAT out.
This channel probably has the best sponsorship integration ever. Not a one off either, but a consistent quality with something resembling an overarching plot. The rest of the video was ok I guess.
But what about my Edgy OC!!! His name is Edgar Darkness Raven Cobblestone Poe! His parents died now he is Orphan but his evil older brother tried to murder him with a Death Scythe but some dark witches curse Edgar with the power of darkness and death now he is necromancer! Darkness Raven Cobblestone Poe rival is Jack the Ripper. But Jack the Ripper thinks Edgar is sexy and wants to kiss him! But edgy Sherlock Holmes also wants to kiss Edgar! Who will kiss Edgar?!?! find out next time Darkness Oblivion Death Adventures!
Hikari Kimiko Kiyoko Thanks! I will email a free image of Edgar Jack the Ripper and Sherlock Holmes having sex in dark gothic castle wearing blood red lingerie! ;)
"Who wins in a love triangle? Doesn't matter because everyone dies anyway!" Despite the grimdark I managed to laugh anyway lol. I also love the idea of the internet being a network of lay lines.
It's a really good fantasy analogy. Imagine a post-apocalyptic setting where primitive humans are fighting over internet access points. Ohh man, the potential.
See this adorable little boy? Aww see how he laches on to the main character and talks about how he lost his parents at the same time? Awww See how he keeps giving these sentimental objects and memorabilia to the main character, as he talks about going to place he's always wanted to see? Awwww see how he treats the protagonist like an older brother/sister and how he keeps saying he knows he's safe with them? *BOOOM!! hahah!! That boi just got **_LANCED_** through the chest!!*
"I do not repeat myself, nor do I fall into repetition!"
That line is absolutely brilliant.
This comment might be repeated, but let's ignore that because this comment might not fall to repetition.
BTW, first reply.
That sounds like mojo jojo
Very much a reference to mojo jojo
Ikr, that was the best advertising I"ve seen in a long time
Never give up, never surrender!
There's an unintentional genre known as "grimderp", which happens when people try to make grimdark but make it so dark it stops being scary and just becomes funny.
The best example would be Mahou Shoujo Site.
To the Internet!
Joel Wojkiewicz So these memes making fun of over the top Grimdark?
Anime has the ability to make grimdevil & physchopath looks adorable.
Serbian Film is this to me. It pushes the discomfort so hard it works better as a dark comedy than a horror/thriller.
Next time I write a story it will be very dark.
The plot isn't dark, but it takes place in a very dark room at night. The entire story will be about some guy sleeping.
😂😂😂😂
Sock You joke, but there is a whole line of game based on that concept. Scriptwielder's Deep Sleep Trilogy is basically that.
He awakens needing to pee, but do to a power out he struggles to find the bathroom. He tries to describe what he thinks is in front of him, and uses this to navigate. His eyes slowly start to adjust to the darkness but only in time for him to have already found the bathroom, where his journey comes to an end.
With a subtle (or not so subtle) theme of the unknowns of life and the struggles of our mere existence.
The darkness of the room being The unknown.
His eyes adjusting being growing old and maturing to the world.
And obviously, his journey to find the bathroom being the trek through life.
Meaning the bathroom (and peeing) is death.
That sorta irish guy Check out Deep Sleep. Its free online
sounds good
You know I remember this time my sister was telling me about her perfect overpowered Harry Potter roleplay OC. When I questioned the complete lack of character flaws she explained that she gave her character the flaw of randomly violently murdering people for literally no reason. Because that's a character flaw that is a sign of brilliant and ingenious writing.
Oh, don't worry about it. She'll grow out of it. Hopefully.
Ingenious writing can be summed up as: Make actions that have logical consequences.
Fire Wolf I want to read a story like this.
Mary Sue joyfully skipped down the road and saw her neighbor John. She killed him. She continued skipping to school, a trail of blood following her on the pavement.
Or as it’s better known the Martin effect
I would be most interested for you to describe this character so I can laugh about it to make me feel better about myself :)))))
love triangles are not edgy we need a love pentagram
Hoo, yeah...and have it culminate in everyone involved realize that they love each other equally, and have an orgy!
Sarah Gray three people just isnt enough for an orgy we need at least 5 and also for the haram
If you ever read Cassandra Clare’s writing don’t worry, she has love dodecahedrons in her novels. All the shitty love tropes you can wrap your mouth around.
then have all the people involved be used for a blood sacrifice to summon Mr. Cthulhu hentai [that's what I call hermous mora from skyrim]
with one gender on each end of the pentagram.
Literally everyone and everything in the story: *dies*
Comic relief character: Z A P P E R S
Nobody stands a chance against the power of finger guns
The comic relief: *also dies.*
Comic relief: *N O T S T O N K S.*
@@DonVigaDeFierro Oh hell no. You would make the audience HAPPY. Can't have that.
*Steel Beam* no,
the comic relief character: also dies
The comic relief character: *ZAPPERS!*
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Amoral = Lack of concern for the concept of morality
Immoral = That deliberately acts against morality
Fucking finally!
immortal = can't die
JonGear Animations amortal = you forgot how to use space
A chortle = a loud chuckle
Asexual=basically cloning oneself
There is an unintentional sub genre in grim dark called grim derp where it’s too edgy it’s just hilarious
I'd say that 90% of "grimdark" works are actually "grimderp".
Because Sturgeon's law and all that...
Nice
But making a story super duper edgy makes it super deep and interesting, especially if you take the shadow the hedgehog route and add swearing and guns.
@@indumatipngtuber2790 there’s a difference between being edgy and being TOO edgy
@@thelegitpotato1248 But being extra super duper edgy af is super hilarious dood.
"Hey, you know how people like to feel happy? What if they diiiiiiiidn't?"
I turned off the lights in the room to experience GRIMDARK in its full glory and witness all of its edges.
how do you witness the edges if you can't see them
@@iamRageTheWolf You feel the edge's sharpness as it cuts you to shudder. You feel your black blood oozing from your veins as life is drained from you, and you are overcome by DARKNESS.
@@iamRageTheWolf You need to not just see the edge, but *feel* it in order to fully experience it.
Matteus Silvestre Theo_Caro daaaamn not bad mah dudes 10/10 would angst again
Smiley the Smile so edgy, you got papercuts from the book.
Want a challenge,
Make a grimdark story
Without killing ANYONE
sward Ariffin Make them all suffer a fate worse than death, problem solved!
@@missmorbid1439 And what kind of fate is that?
sward Ariffin It could be anything, They never die, but keep aging. They’re tortured for eternity. They are rendered insane. You could also take a page from Greek myths and use one of their eternal punishments.
@@missmorbid1439 see it could happen
This is all just sounding sorta like the initial premise to I have No Mouth and I must Scream.
Herein is my grimdark story.
*THE BLACK PLAGUE*
Once upon a time, there was a village. Someone in the village got the plague. Then, everyone died.
The end.
You forgot to mention the rats.
@@AnimeboyIanpower And a body found floating by the docks....😂😂
In 2020 this hits way too close to home with our own plague running amok @.@
I imagined this in Patrick's voice
That didn't help at all!
Everyone always looks to Nazis for an evil empire inspiration. Personally, I’d use the Aztec Empire for grim-dark, because there’s probably more material for body horror
Aaron Landry The Yuuzhan Vong in Star Wars did that!
@Miroslav Baldzhiev No, nazi-phobes like me just don't like people that murder millions of innocents based on religious beliefs, heritage and political opposition.
Edit: Since there seem to be a lot of people who misinterpret this statement, let me clarify.
I was arguing here with a fellow commenter who was apologetic towards national socialism and its crimes, who may or may not have been joking and whose comment was deleted.
I have absolutely no beef with @Aaron Landry and his statement about artistic choices concerning grim-dark empires and the Nazis being a bit over-done in works of fiction. I actually agree. I was merely discussing with someone who thought that the Nazis weren't that bad.
So, can you half-wits please stop telling me to "suck it up" or "not be such a SJW pussy" because you were too dumb to check the context of the conversation, please?!
WJZAV the dude is just making a joke, not a very appropriate one but there's no malicious intent. Also, can someone put this on r/woosh.
@@richard1935 Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. But nowadays, you sadly never really know (which is kind a fucked up btw)
@Miroslav Baldzhiev Stop that at once.
“Who wins the love triangle? Who care they will all be dead anyway”
Oh the best kind of love triangle
how twilight should've ended...
@@FlagAnthem I haven't watched it, so I can still pretend that's how it ended.
Is this Berserk?
“I do not repeat myself nor do I fall into repetition”
-Dark Lord 2018
I quote this every day.
@@Gandlehoff Do you work for the department of redundancy department?
@@danielskrivan6921 mayhaps
This is why orks are the best 40k faction-they’re both incredibly brutal AND hilarious, providing levity while still fitting into the grimdark setting.
A Grimdark setting can be funny to a reader while still being absolutely horrid in-universe. 40k would be a living nightmare to actually live in, but to us readers who know it's a work of fiction, "Hyper-oppressive Theocratic Neo-Rome that worships a sentient corpse on a throne killing equally hyper-oppressive or just straight up omnicidal aliens and eldritch demons" is just plain stupid (in a good way).
@sneedfeedandseed2410Tell us you dont understand 40k without telling us
I think the staple grimdark villian is the playfully insane guy who enjoys doing all the same horrible things the protagonist does the only reason the protagonist wants to kill him is because he is enjoying himself and thats illegal in grimdark.
Yeah. He enjoys it so much, you start to wonder if he's the author's avatar. "I'm going to make these two heroes fight each other! Wouldn't that be fun? I know some people who would watch that."
* cough* Orks *cough *
@@Alexander59059 DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH
Have your 300th like. That's a brilliant take
There ain't any villains if there is no good guy to make a contrast, only war.
Remember Ladies and gentlemen: grim dark stories are accurate portrayal of reality, and anything that shows anything positive and upbeat is false; hope doesn't exsist!
Man, I hate those people! I know you're joking, and even then part of me still wants to punch you in the face.
If you ever see a "DC vs Marvel" argument devolve into comparing the movies, *As Always* just summed up the sadly all-too-common defense for DC films...
...
...Random side-note, _I LOVE_ *The Lego Batman Movie!* ;^)
That is so true! As a history buff, nearly all period piece movies come off as unrealistic to me because everything is grey and brown and all the peasants have dirt smeared on their faces. Note to filmmakers: Old photographs are black and white or sepia because the limitations of technology back then, not because the world was literally all grey and brown!
And even the darkest parts of human history had silly parts in them too, just look up "Mad Jack" Churchill, an officer fighting in ww2, probably the worst war humanity has ever seen, carrying a broadsword and a bagpipe. Reality is weird.
ChaosRayZero I just like the darker takes DC has, and the way Marvel handles humour makes me want to burn houses down.
(And I admit DC is a victim of going too far into it)
DC and Marvel movies are shallow the thing is Marvel's are funny
I'm sorry but I can't take your grimdark world seriously because your weapons are not bedazzled with barbwire and jagged metal fins. Everything must be pointed and cut in the most inefficient way possible. Even guns and casual attire. Especially attire.
Oh, almost forget, every weapon is poisonous, even if that is not how poison could work.
This comment has poisoned me!
Dont forget to add some parchments and talismans because thats gonna make it Look even cooler
Don't forget duel bladed swords! And knives that can shoot!
+icthulu
Hooray for poison lasers!
You forgot also the dark coloured filter on the camera (most likely blue or green) and Dutch angles or shaky cams to make sure the audience feels sick... Heu I mean feel destabilize !
This is literally the only genre my AP English teacher will have us read and analyse. Granted those books are BETTER than most, but they're all dark and depressing and apocalyptic.
"You see the dead bunnies symbolize the lost innocence..."
So, all you read is Shakespeare. XD
Depressing=deep lol
"As you can see, the 42972838th death represents jesus christ on the cross because..."
@@liamsteamwalsh8421I agree, the problem is the lack of creativity of the authors imo. Which make most stories like what they described repetitive or unoriginal to some extent.
In order to make grimdark truly work you need Orks. Because as much as it would be nice to paint the entire setting deep black, if you want your setting to go anywhere you'll get there faster if you paint it red.
If you want to hide from the criticism you paint it purple instead though
And if you're grimdark is the best, you paint it green.
How do we know that purple is stealthy? You ain't never seen a purple Ork, have you?
RED GOES FAST A
Every grimdark setting needs orks because a grimdark setting can never have enough dakka
GRIMDARK seems like the edgelord version of gothic literature.
That's because grimdark basically is fiction for edgelords: gothic without the subtlety.
Kimi FW Sounds about right.
*Gothdark?*
You see, just like the term _"Impressionism"_ was originally coined by academic critics in order to mock the painters who disregarded the traditional canons, the term _"Grimdark"_ was originally coined in order to make fun of super-edgy literature.
unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-is-grimdark.html
why not combine them and get warhammer 40K!?
May I humbly request "historical fiction" as the topic of your next video?
Benjamin Grist LOvE TrIaNGlE
Twistory.
Remember all historical events happened from 1939-1945 litteraly nothing else happened
Write another cliched man in the high castle rip off about how Nazis are bad and they would be even more bad if they won
Spencer Austin Self and all the events that happened before that were Victorian era love-triangles.
Spencer Austin Self actually all historical events go from December 7, 1941 to 1945
Fate worse than death = “you must do Calculus forever”.
10/10 for accuracy.
Actually it is fun.
@@engelsteinberg593 because you are probs good at it.
I hate it because i am not good at it
ETERNAL ALGEBRA WITH FOUR
god please no I suffered enough in precalc I can't take any more
"Isnt this puppy adorable? You should get attached to it. OH NO IT'S DEAD! YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!"
Literally every anime I watch that kills off a cute character without earning the right to make me feel genuinely sad about it first.
**cough cough** ...Kana from Parasyte. **COUGH**
I know I might get some flak from that, but I seriously don't see why people are sad that she died. She was a stalker and an idiot who had it coming! Even *Migi* said she was bound to get herself killed eventually! I'm sorry, but what?
Yeah also how did she have the superpower of sensing parasytes lol. Feels like sloppy writing.
sao: that cute little program- girl the both mc had 'adopted' that 'died'....
I hate elfin lied...
Akame Ga Kill anime in a nutshell.
"Isnt this character great? Here's a backstory so you will get attached to him/her.
*5 minutes later*
Oh no! He/She is dead! You should feel bad!"
It's simple:
"It's night time" *WRONG!*
"I lie here in the shadow of the Earth..." *Could be better*
"And then a puppy died" *PERFECT!*
"I have aids. No it's too suddle"
"I lie here in the shadows of earth"
@The Jester - Fool Of Hearts what have I done!
@The Jester - Fool Of Hearts That spelling mistake was barely noticeable. I guess you can say it was...suddle.
This story is called the Dark Edgy. Once there was a dark protagonist. He was so edgy that everyone died.
The end
EeveeKnight
Shut and take my money!
10/10 ign.
That didn't help at all.
Now I feel bad.
Spongebob?
[realizes that this is too much like the book I was writing]
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiit.
How Is the book now 4 Month old comment?
Dont bother write whatever pleases you
So 8 months later how is it going?
If your a beginner, just have fun with it, you'll get better.
Lol I was safe only a few parts were similar in my story.
Why does this fantasy novel full of giants, dragons, and magic, have so much violent, graphic, raping?
OH CAUSE IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE
OR It's a hentai!
I know what you're are talking about.
@@solisinvictus4238 and it's totally realistic!
@@TovenDo.O.Video- I'd know cuz of a possessed horse that smiled and wanted to have his way on a small girl.
@@nippusimmer9028 This post right here, officer
In the grimdark of the future, there is only WAAAGH!
Die green skin! FOR THE EMPEROR AHHHHHH!!!
Fer Dah Emprah! WAAAGH!
For the Wario! WAAH!
More dakka
*and the wilhelm scream played with auto tune, deep reverb and on constant never ending loop*
2:12 "-behaves like a 14-year-old sociopath on a power trip."
Soooo... Onision?
DreamyChara
I feel like that’s offensive to 14 year old sociopaths
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 I can't tell if you're joking or not but I'm pretty sure sociopaths don't care about what people call them :')
DreamyChara
I’m just saying Onion man is 1000% worse than a 14 year old sociopath. 14 year olds don’t have a mob of edgy girls still obsessed with them
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 You right, you right :'))
DreamyChara
Whenever I think of the Onion its like memories of a fever dream... like what the fuck is that all about
This is the Dark Souls of terrible writing advice.
Bitch 😂😂😂😂😂
Nah it's a 40k lore video
Dark Souls vet here, can confirm
**B U R N T H E H E R E T I C S**
Actually, the devs have stated that in at least one ending of the original Dark Souls, it does work out, and at least one world lives happily on, escaping the horror.
But... Yeah. Dark Souls was inspired by Berserk, so a certain amount of nihilistic horror is present.
You have no idea how hard this made me laugh. You also forgot to mention "And people will love your story and see it as mature because of all the sex and murder that happens - because it's 'realistic'."
Hahahahaha yes! Absolutely. If people aren't murdering each other while having sex, in whatever disturbing order that happens, it's not mature enough for adult audiences & therefore will lose everyone's interest...
You hit the nail right on the head... with a sledgehammer
Hey murdering each other and having sex at the same time can be mature, if its written in a bizarre coherent fascinating context, or a good written sexual serial killer, or an odd sex death game. Or in a very strange porn idea. Or when vampires do it.
But that would need good writing.
"mature" is not defined by sex or gore.
@@wilburdemitel8468 to perhaps most US adults it is, which is why i grew up assuming it was until i realized....wow thats just stupid.
What's the opposite of GRIMDARK?
RAINBOWBRIGHT?
Vulkan
Tastes Like Diabetes.
kitten
Diabetes.
Licorn Shiny
''all innocent characters are killed in grimdark''
Godammit why'd you have to remind me of my boy sanguinius D:
EEAATTTT BOOORRGGEEERRRRRR
HERETIC BOOORRRRGERRRRRR
"Bring me all the orc you can find. I WANT TO SEE MY SON!"
@@cd9768 the only good guys in 40k
@@cd9768
Ah yes, the moral space marines
Right....
"Like plastering everything with the colour black."
I think you just walked into my wardrobe
"How to to replicate WH40k and fail miserably" guide.
Horus Heresy totally does some of the shit in this video
See this is why you need a Caiphas Cain as Much as the Dark Angels murdering everyone who trips on a rock, can't have shadows without some light.
So Warhammer 40,000 4th edition and onwards.
"Basically wh40k"
Fix
@@naToGeHbI4 so over cliched memes, half ass truths and bullshit misconceptions you've been catching up on much?
You forgot the most important step! Once you establish that the world is a terrible place coated in a neverending rain of misery and despair, you then have to figure out how to make things worse so that your characters have something to oppose!
"We have to chop our balls off, remove all our fingernails with rusty tweezers, cover every inch of our skin with boiling candle wax, and then sacrifice the souls of 10 Trillion children to perform the Contrived Magic Miracle Exorcism to close the Unholy® Vortex™ of Terror©! that opens up every Monday for the past 40 Millennia"
"Why?"
"Because if we don't, the Evil© Demons™ that spawn within the Vortex™ will chop our balls off, remove all our fingernails with rusty tweezers, cover ever inch of our skin with boiling candle wax, kill 10 Trillion children, *AND THEN THEY WILL STEAL AND EAT ALL OF OUR NUTELLA!!!"*
"Dear God... The inhumanity..."
Horny Fruit Flies that was dark...
@@Horny_Fruit_Flies Sound reasoning if I ever heard it.
Ibnziyad Tariq, Dare I say... GRIMdark?
@@diegokaqui60 Sounds familiar, was it one of those infamous My Little Pony episodes?
Grimdark: Warhammer 40k for writers that don’t understand Warhammer 40k
Berserk for authors who don't get the point of Berserk.
WAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH
@Sneed Feed And Seed It is, but it's fun.
@@thelastjerkbender2505 Basically Akame Ga Kill.
Actually good 40K authors tone down the GrimDark just a tad in works that don't involve audience participation, like the tabletop itself or video games.
In the grim dark of the far future, there is only bad writing.
Related reading recommendation, ciaphas cain books. Because good 40k can be self aware and fun. The settings grimdark, but is also a grab bag of parody, unreliable narration and over the top cool.
Have you read the Horus Heresy? Because there is some excellent writing in that series.
The Ciaphas Cain books are actually good because they take the WH40k universe seriously. As in, we see a more realistic portrayal of the Imperial Guard and the Imperium's many planets. We see the IG actually being competent, with officers and leaders who actually care for their lives and the lives of civilians instead of cartoonishly incompetent generals sending wave after wave of them into the crossfire just because they have reserves. We see characters with actual lives, emotions and loyalties instead of just a bunch of grizzled uber-machos or crazed zealots brooding and thinking about warfare 24/7. We actually see the nekrons, the tyranids, the forces of chaos and even the orks as credible, but not insurmountable threats. We have actual spots of levity and hope, but just enough to serve as a juxtaposition of how dark the rest of the universe is, elevating it and making it feel more real.
Before I read the CC novels, I was totally burned out on the WH40k universe because of a combination of darkness induced audience apathy and the cartoonishness of the setting, yet they single-handedly turned my impression around. I heartily recommend them to everyone interested in the WH40k universe but daunted by all the grimdark crap it produces.
The problem with WH40k is just the sheer number of, often contradictory, books. For every good novel, there are three grimdark gorefests where everyone dies in the end and nothing is accomplished, because they have to keep up the status quo until the next edition comes up.
-Just because you don't read certain books because of the reviews, it doesn't make then any less canonical or reflecting the broader WH40k universe than the ones you read.
-No one is talking about universal change here. The Ciaphas Cain books are perfect examples in this regard. They actually save the planets. They actually save the civilians. They actually reach compromises and deal with the threats. They change the status quo for the better.
But for every CC book, there are five where the plot boils down to "Group of characters embark on mission/land on planet -> fight-fight-fight-fight-fight -> everyone dies, and in the best case scenario they accomplish their goal in the process, which preserves the crappy status quo, or in the worst case (and more common) scenario, everything goes to shit anyways."
You know, I find it ironic that grimdark writers forget dark humor exists. For example: "Welp, half our village is dead... On the plus side the food shortage is now no longer an issue." That joke alone would be both give context for how bad the situation is, and provide comedic releif so that the next tragedy might actually sting.
Shark Jumping Walrus it also illustrates how numb people in the setting are to what we today would see as terrible tragedies.
I once found a forum where people were discussing a joke they found in a grimdark book. As part of a ritual sacrifice, a child is disemboweled, but manages to die without screaming. An onlooker, seeing this, observes: "He had guts."
I think its really context specific in grimdark if dark humor is apropriate or not. There are some situations when humor can really take you out of the suspense and feeling of a scene. Alot of modern stuff tries to be way too quipy and it ruins it.
Dark jokes as a comic relief. That's ingeniuous!
Man.
And then the next time half of their remaining village is dead again. A character finally breaks it and yell at the sarcastic snarker, "Yes, another half of the village is dead again. Yes! we no longer have a food shortage! What's next?!"
“The author should present life as so awful that the reader seriously begins to wonder how people even get up in the morning.”
Literally Club Penguin Shutdown in a nutshell.
Or Warhammer40k. Or how about *ANY ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE EVER?!*
its amazing how much people will go through just to live. War, famine, prison etc. people will kill just to be sad another day.
Makes me wonder, why all humans in the story, haven't committed suicide.
Don't tell Ross Scott that
In real life humans dont just kill themselves
No matter how much they suffer they are more likely to Endure sufferIng For another day Than to kill themselves
This legit gave me the idea for a story involving something that twists traditional narrative on it's head by having someone with all the traits of a stereotypical hero actually being an egotistical sociopath, while the character who seems like the villain is actually a good guy that wants to help people. The story at the beginning gives subtle hints in the background to the true nature of the characters before it's then revealed in a surprising gut-punching way.
Go for it.
Nier did that.
@@jeremychicken3339 ???
@@samuelrodriguez9801 SPOILERS FOR NIER:
if you replay the game after beating it, you can understand the shades speech. They're sapient and didn't want to fight, you're just slaughtering them and invading their homes.
I guess Berserk kinda works?
Blood for the blood god!
Skulls for the skull throne!
Milk for the khorne flakes!
Salt for the popkhorne!
Kilian Experience beat Warhammer without killing anyone directly, he killed people indirectly.
@@luizfelipevbf5567 yepp he definitely did.
Do you want some garlic bread?
salt for the popkhorne? that's a new one. thanks :D
@@crim1188 it's from lathlands from the depths series (:
Blood for the blood god? Is that a DoTA reference? Also bloodseeker ain't even that dark. Read into his lore, it's just... I don't even know how to describe it.
Don't forget about how rape is always looming around every female in the cast.
Devil Deer
And some guys too if you count Berserk
Every female, male and object. For a Slaaneshi follower every hole is good enough, while for a Dark Eldar if you feel pain it's also good enough.
devilman lady... the chapte rwhere she was sacrifice for that deity??? geez
Well... the guy has to keep it monetized.
Because trivializing rape for shock value and being horribly offensive to actual victims of rape just shows how EDGY we are.
On that topic, TWA should do a Creepypasta episode.
One of the few channels that manages to consistently deliver info and entertainment. Keep it up!
Mr CynicalOptiMystical is that profile picture who I think it is
@@vanelly5652 Emily is best girl.
It's best girl Emily, yes :D
"A Moral faction? We cant have that!"
-40K on the Tau
They're communists who mind control people!
@@kriegscommissarmccraw4205 The Imperium runs a gigantic xeno-hating empire full of autistic space hulks. Most humans generally have an awful existence.
Eldar/Dark Eldar murder-raped a murder-rape god into existence. Also xenophobic. Live in constant fear of said god and too small to do anything about it.
The Ork are, well, Ork. The happiest race.
Tyranids are hungry hungry hippo-bugs.
Necrons are old cranky automatons that wish to kill all life/regain life. Most are emotionless slaves.
The Tau are a authoritarian caste society that (possibly) mind controls it's people and those who it assimilates. Better state of living (at least, compared to their enemies) and overall much happier compared to a Hive City citizen or a Necron warrior.
So even IF you believe that the Tau hypnotize their people, they're still by far a more preferable alternative to the Imperium or most other factions.
@@TheDONing1 bruh your talking to a commisar
@@TheDONing1 a servant and leader of the imperium of man
@@imperialgaurdsmen2789 Valid point.
0/10 The pants were too bright
8-Bit Theater had the better idea for magic. Rather than having it powered by evil, have it powered by love.
BM: "Love is a very powerful force. Even more so when it's focused into a coherent beam of destruction. Every time I cast Hadoken, it siphons away some of the love in the universe. I'm not sure how much, but I'm given to understand the divorce rate goes up with each blast."
That hadoken may be powered by love, but swordchuks yo.
I like swords
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I like swords!
Welcome to Corneria.
8 bit theatre is the greatest fiction story/comic I have ever read.
"Emodark" as it's called here
Me, an emo: how dare u
I do apologise, your edginess
Crawling in my crawl.
Or "PizzaCutterDark". All edge, no point.
More like Edgydark
“Some might worry this sudden shift will irritate audiences and break their suspension of disbelief to see a previously established sympathetic character suddenly decide that infants made for great sandwich spread”
He just expressed everything wrong with game of thrones without even meaning too
I could press the like button, but that would imply positivity, and we have no room for positivity because this is GRIMDARK! Here's a baby bear, isn't it cute? Look at those beady little eyes. Well now it's dead, you should feel bad.
Yeah, okay, and ? I'm still going to stuck my whiny in it.
*here, we'll fill the dead bear full of rusty razor blades...now you can hug it and make it feel all better!!!!*
Scott Mantooth You hugged it? Well now you’re DEAD, you should feel bad.
@@ProbablyATree tired of all of this death? WELL NOW THAT'S DEAD, you should FEEL BAD. now we can all suffer fates worse than death
*Shouldn't feel bad
Remember guys: There's no despair without hope. If you're story is incredibly dark from start to finish, the audience will stop caring. But throw in lighthearted moments, make characters temporarily happy, give them hope... Then, when something really bad happens, it'll _hurt._
Yeah, I know, you still shouldn't write a story just to make it dark. But plenty of stories benefit from that kind of tone, so you might as well tear your audience's heart out while you're at it. xD
Gui Caldo Yea, but do that twice or more and people will be quick to catch on and just wonder how he or she is getting croaked
Like making hero just the villain wearing a mask, or a mere puppet to crush any remaining opposition?
BTW that is a very old political move, known even in the times of the ancient Roman republic.
I think that Madoka Magica does this extremely well--after That Episode it gets increasingly dark but it also teases you with the promise of trying to find a way out.
Actually that's the point, if everything is dark people wouldn't want to read it, even worst, they would laughed at the characters deaths when you should cry instead.
@@Tacoguy1000 True, though that sometimes might even benefit the mood. Depends on what you're going for. Personally, I like stories with both dark and light elements, where the good guys achieve great victories as often as crushing defeats. But it depends on your style, really. Sometimes, this sinking feeling of "I don't know what, but _something's_ gonna go wrong" is just perfect.
I like The Dark Knight but that movie is singlehandedly responsible for the current "grimdark is realism" trend.
The irony is that The Dark Knight is an optimistic story at it's core. It explicitly stated this theme when the boats refuse to kill each other.
I wouldn't put it all on The Dark Knight, though it's certainly a contributing factor. I've lost count how many people, who must really, really hate their lives, equate "horrible" with "real". Mind you, there are folks who survive horrible experiences that stay with them the rest of their lives (Jack Kirby and his lifelong nightmares of WWII come to mind as a mild example). But the loudest advocates of this are often the ones who have never been near such.
I would agree. The people who do live these types of lives are very rarely out and open about it because closing yourself off is a common defense mechanism.
As far as modern storytelling goes though most "realistic" stories are told by people who live very mundane lives and have absolutely no point of reference on how to confront genuine repeated trauma.
Whenever people point out how popular stories contain dark moments they tend to focus solely on the dark moment itself (Batman losing his love interest) and totally ignore how that darkness is dealt with in the story to give a sense of levity (Batman being motivated to disprove Jokers' ideology and succeeding).
@@isaac1670 Yeah, that's the thing. While the darkness can and often does crush people, it doesn't have to. And there are enough real world examples of people who do something with what horrible things happened to them to make the world a better place (a point, you might be interested to know, that was made in the documentary "Batman Unmasked", released around the time of The Dark Knight and I'd recommend looking up on UA-cam to get a unique perspective on the Batman mythos). It's just a combo of no direct knowledge mixing with psychological immaturity to me when the loudmouths I mentioned before lean too hard on the darkness. I think you can agree that one direct result of Dark Knight was the dark overtones of DCEU on characters where it did not fit.
imo I don't think the Dark Knight is Grimdark,it's just dark and gritty,albeit a bit too much in some areas.
@@ComradeDragon1957
It isn't. It uses a dark tone to tell a story about hope in average everyday people. The problem isn't with The Dark Knight it's with the writers and directors who saw it and said "oh, so if you make everything dark and miserable then you've told a good story," that is the worst lesson you can take away from that movie.
"Like a thirteen year old on a power trip who objectively makes everyones lives more miserable" - you did not just sass Prince of Thornes :D
The "oil is made up of ancient dead creatures" part really messed with my mind, thank god that isn't the case.
*plankton*
Mostly plant matter actually.
Technically its fossilized marine snow so mostly planktonic algae mixed with the scattered bits of the creatures that fed on them before they met their untimely demise and became buried underground.
Plants are a very specialized group of algae that adapted for terrestrial environments and thus don't contribute much to oil instead plant matter predominately forms coal
@@Dragrath1 my man
This comment made my day
wait this whole series has been sarcastic?! But I already wrote a first draft of my story it has like 18 love triangles, love triangles within other love triangles, I have background characters with love triangles, and I even have a love dodecahedron. I guess this is all worthless now
It's not truly a love triangle unless you've got a quantum superposition of a love hypercube, all its higher-dimensional counterparts, and a love simplex.
You've failed, you didn't set an antagonist with a love triangle with the hero
Still not enough love triangles... Also, try the love pyramid!
If the love triangle doesn't extend into at least seven other dimensions don't bother writing it, else face being titled "basic bitch"
@Marco Consorti
I'm way ahead of you, the villain is in love with the hero's childhood friend, who's in love with the hero, and the hero is in an intense homosexual relationship with a horse, and the horse is apart of a seperate love triangle entirely.
One thing a lot of people forget is if you take away all hope form a story you also take away all fear. If I don't think things can get better then what's the point in trying?
"Ask yourselves, all of you: What power would Hell have if those imprisoned here were not able to dream of Heaven?" - Morpheus (Sandman #IV, by Neil Gaiman)
Thats a reason why im so anxious when i see good things happen in berserk. I know there could be a chance something bad could happen.
I like how there’s a bunch of people saying “so warhammer in a nutshell” despite not knowing how those stories actually play out
Warhammer 40k plays out like a classic tragedy. Where characters have Nobel intentions but also one or two glaring character flaws, I’ll use the big E as an example
The emperor sought to make humanity the dominant race, and after Millenia of observing humanity he had a few ideas on how to do it. He thought that to properly unite humanity he needed to be uncompromising, logical and not swayed by emotion, however these ideals festered and grew darker, as he took more and more atrocious actions for his cause, by the time of the great crusade he was all but human, and it was this that lead to his downfall. As his primarch sons viewed him as they’re father but he viewed them as mere tools and disregarded their emotions, it was ultimately this that lead to the rebellion known as the Horus heresy, and in his finally moments in the battle with Horus, his favourite son he is shown to have had some dormant humanity left in him, and he could not bring himself to kill his favourite son. The man who had ordered mass genocides had realised the error of his ways as he was finally forced to take the life what to him was a person, not some nameless, faceless crowd. Another thing that can be noted is that he thought religion divided humanity and conflicted with his ideals of rationalism, however centuries of harbouring this view lead him to be zealous in his anti religiousness, to the point of making irrational claims of there being no gods or supernatural powers despite the opposite being very much true and persecuting those who do not strictly adhere to the practices of your belief, and in the end his fanatical denial of religion lead people to believe
“The emperor preached rationalism and free thinking, he also claimed fervently that he was not a god, yet he stood as a giant, with chiseled features, ornate golden armour and an aura of golden light, clearly this was a test, and he actually is a god” and this mindset bred the imperial cult with degenerated into a fanatical cult with no regard for free thinking.
But instead of realising this people just brush it off and say that 40k is grimdark for the sake of grimdark
Didn't the Emperor supress organized religion in order to weaken chaos ?
>Nobel intentions
So, they wanted to create more stable explosives and created a deadly weapon by accident? :P
Wow that’s a great tale. Never knew much about 40k
One of my headcanons about the Big E is that he's perfectly aware of what's happening after he got interned in his throne, he sits in horror as everything he's done has led up to this point, where half of his sons are now the pawns of chaos while the loyal half are currently missing
@@controbot2557 I am not sure how much he can afford to be horrified between being the battery in the lamp that is the Astronomican, keeping the gate of the Imperial Webway gate closed so daemons don't flood Terra, and being in enough pain that probably a sizeable population of Drukhari could live on Terra without the need to engage in the usual drukhari activities that are necessary to keep their souls not-devoured-by-She-Who-Thirsts....
So I've been writing a DnD campaign with elements of Grimdark.
The way that I've done without it becoming a stupid parody is...
a) The characters are genuinely good people and in a world that is getting worse and worse
b) The fun gimmicks of each city have slowly become all consuming from war
c) The characters are running away from that war
d) The problem they are dealing with are personal, they aren't trying to save the world, just the friends they've made.
e) The general tone is comedic, with the serious elements hiding in the shadows waiting to strike...
I love it
I love that. Keep up the good work! :)
So basically, it isn't grimdark.
C-can I join your campaign?
Curse of Strahd is ripe for grimdark done right. Puffin Forrest's campaign on youtube for instance has each choice of who to save sealing the fate of other beings.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Nobledark perhaps?
"This is your average everyday darkness.....this is...ADVANCED DARKNESS"
follows a volley of fireballs
Darkness within darkness.
And this is to go beyond advanced darkness!!
"I don't know what a cinematic universe is, but it sounds like it will make a lot of money, unless you're DC."
More like _only_ if you're Marvel. Name one other cinematic universe or attempt at one that's been successful.
Godzilla
And the monsterverse of the 30s-50s
The Hammer films from the 30s and 40s. Godzilla. There're others, I'm sure. Heck, DC back in the 70s and 80s with Superman.
SCU
SHREK CINEMATIC UNIVERSE
Oh, yeah, and _Disney._
Terrible Writing Advice, maybe?
I think that when all characters are actually well-meaning and moral, (even the villains) the "Grimdark" setting can make the plot events have more impact, so instead of the typical story that goes: "Yeah, everything sucks forever, and we're all gonna die, so this is a terrible person you should care about because... Nevermind, he's dead..." you make a story where characters aren't stupid, evil, and try to change their circumstances... Only to fail at that and fucking die tragically or something... Like the best written books in the 40K Horus Heresy series...
I also think characterization is the only important thing to avoid the darkness-induced audience apathy, because everything is horrible, but at least you find this person interesting and want to know what happens to them...
This is why ciaphas cain and farsight sells.
"I also think characterization is the only important thing to avoid the darkness-induced audience apathy, because everything is horrible, but at least you find this person interesting and want to know what happens to them... " THIS! I've heard that if your audience doesn't care about your characters, then they won't care about the story.
Your sarcasm so accurately described _The Walking Dead_ that I was crying from laughter by the end. I used to love that series. Quit watching that soap opera two years ago.
I'd personally recommend the Telltale video game series as a much more thoughtful alternative. Not often you watch a little girl grow up in the midst of a zombie apocalypse and the conflict and stakes are a LOT better handled, I promise.
You mean "Rick Grimes's Personal Hell: The Series"? My fan-canon for that shitshow is that Rick died in Episode 1 (eaten by Zombies while he was asleep, natch) and everything after that is just his own torment.
That's how the world conveniently reshapes around him to screw him over constantly, even to the point of villains just appearing from the aether to inconvenience his life further. That's why Villains get infinite supplies of completely loyal goons despite having obvious flaws, while Rick's happy little gang never gets beyond "one soap opera" in size. That's how zombies are only ever a problem for Rick and co at times that'd be inconvenient for him, while nobody else seems to struggle with them a bit!
+Stuart Conrod
Yep, I mean, the show goes out of its way to portray the fact that its zombies keep decaying until they are not even able to walk anymore, losing limbs left and right, just to showcase its make up artistry, but then HOW is it so that there is always hundreds of barely decayed zombies at hand near the Rick's-soap-opera gang?
I mean, some zombies wear clean-ish clothes. Clean-ish clothes in zombies, years into the zombie apocalypse. Come on, it was unrealistic enough that the protagonists have constant access to that. lol
The comic was so good, it's so disappointing
@@neatopapito8260 I have the first volume and really liked it but then I saw they ditched the artist of said volume and was so disappointed I didn't feel a desire to read the others
0/10 forgot the impossible-to-pronounce town names
To future Grimdark writers:
Your story is worthless unless every single name contains at least a "k" and every town name ends in "burg"
Pfft... your protagonist's name is Jhon? Nope unless it's Jkhonr I'm not reading it
Jkhonr isn't immpossible to pronounce enough. Trying removing those pesky vowels and make it Jkhnr.
Inquisitor Obi-wan Sherlock Clousseau: Allow -us- me to introduce -our- myself
I appreciate the fact that the Guardsman blew up after firing his plasma gun. That got a laugh from me.
And that's why you don't activate the Overcharge mode without a really good reason, boys and girls!
This is my rifle
This is my gun
This is my plasma
I rolled a 1
caav56 Or if you’re the main character
He rolled a 1
@@SWHSMonsters That was a specific reference I didn't expect to see and it was hilarious
5:40 Actually, a vampire that Livestreams his meals looks like a pretty fun villain.
Actually turns out he’s broke and streaming it to a kinky site somewhere for cash. He says it’s just an act and everyone is either too embarrassed or turned on to report it. It would be the most realistic hidden magical world I’ve seen. Complete with the fact All magic powers only work on individual minds and are hard to prove scientifically.
@@nomobobby You know what, actual vampires would make a killing on kinky sites, and that's not even an intentional pun!
Maybe monsters have dark web accounts.
“Crude oil that’s made from ancient dead creatures”
I laughed about this. Giggled, actually.
This is actually a brilliant idea! It shudders me just by thinking people using energy made from once-living organisms!"
@@jaeyooncho4282 like wood?...
Mako energy from Final Fantasy 7 ?
Jaeyoon Cho Did you know... people eat DEAD THINGS?
"...even as he slaughters orphans along with the couples who were about to adopt them." So they had it coming, is what I'm getting here.
After all, these were *couples*, not the far superior love triangles. Natural selection at its finest.
The franchise from which the word "Grimdark" is derived - Warhammer 40,000 - is grimdark, to be sure, but it's grimdark with a heavy dose of self-awareness. The setting is dark and gritty to the point of silliness, meaning that the whole thing swings back around to just being blackly comical. Just look at the memes:
"Sir, our Imperial Guard forces have taken 90% casualties. We still have numerical superiority."
Additionally, the various novels often have properly nuanced characters, and the "grimdarkness" (war, slavery, evil gods, monsters, etc.) is explicitly stated to not affect everyone. There are places in the galaxy where people are just chill, and that's also considered part of the setting.
Meh it seems to me he is just hating because he likes the other space commies with the magic food boxes and hot green chicks with two bellybuttons.
I must respectfully disagree. 40k is Dune... plus a load of other stuff. This makes it a total farce, but a farce which is oozing with the potential for good narratives.
@@Grymbaldknight Well that's you're opinion, and I respect that. But I still prefer Middle Earth and Star Wars legends.Not grimdark,but I don't read a lot of exremly dark stories and I never read Dune before. Plus 40k's quality of writing got shit in 2010 and just kept getting worse and worse.
I don't thinks he's hating on it, he just explores the tropes involved in a humorous manner. He said himself that tropes aren't good or bad per se but only a tool and it depends how you utilize them
I mean pretty much every point he brings up in his videos are actually adressed in w40k simply because of how much development that universe had (I mean it's been around for over 30 years with dozens of writers constantly adding lore so it's not really surprising
And in grimdark films be sure to give the film a grey or black filter to show how sad, depressing and hopeless everything is. Because the makers don't understand that a dark tone is a metaphorical thing. It doesn't mean it has to be literally dark.
In my book, the setting is set in eternal night and darkness, so my setting is literally dark
It's funny that the franchise that spawned the term "Grimdark" (Warhammer, maybe 40k in particular, but I am not sure), was intentionally going as dark as can be to be satirical and show how silly grimness taken to the extreme can be. And then a bunch of people just decided to play it straight without the satirical edge and completely miss the intended point.
@@andreyv.vieira521 Finally someone who realises that... I learned about warhammer 40k in 2017 and already I am tired of people trying to make unironic sense and even political statements *facepalm* out of a setting where the nicest deity around wants 1.000 human sacrifices daily
@@konnosx1213. Clearly, you haven't read many of the novels surrounding the franchise. They flesh out the universe in ways that contradict your statement.
@@williamfrancis5367 I never said the universe isn't fleshed out but you csnt be invested in a world where everyone is a psychopath... I understand the factions being all grey or evil but there are no characters in warhammer that anyone can identify with. Even the good primarchs have committed ridiculously terrible atrocities (Vulcan burned and entire planet to extinction because the population -that not only were primitive human tribes powerless to fight back but didnt even want to fight back- had the audacity to not hate the local Eldar) to the point where you cant really sympathise with any of them. Most of Warhammer content tends to look at the pre Heresy era as some sort of great paradise but the Great Crusade was beyond shit for anyone and everything in the galaxy that breathed (including humans) Emps could make the main villain in any other universe ever and he would still make no sense because he supposedly did all of it to save the galaxy. Seriously I am not saying that a setting shouldn't have things like racism and war and prejudice and fundamentalism, no, all of these things make sense but they only make sense when we care about the people in the story. And Warhammer's cast of overpowered badasses is far from identifiable or sympathetic. And if all of this is just them making the point that "Yeah this universe... would be bad to live in" Well no shit! I dont think it needs to be said. Warhammer in my humble opinion should remain exactly what it is: Just a setting filled with unapologetic awesomeness without any reason to it. Warhammer 40k is swallow and that's ok, it was meant to be just the backdrop for a strategy game, it doesnt need deep complex themes or even a linear story it only need reasons to have city sized robot churches to exist. And it already does.
Comparing it with the world of Beserk or the Witcher novels is kind of meaningless. These worlds sure have shitty regimes, shitty races, shitty attitudes towards said races but the focus is not "Oh look the world is shitty, how shitty can it be, I'll make it shittier, feel bad" its Guts and Gerald and Yenifer and Griffith.
Simply indtrocuing a world where everyone is intentionally or unintentionally evil, no one ever wins, everyone has an awful life, even gods are nothing but assholes with superpowers, the weak are bulletfoder and no one ever has it well is easy, I can make a universe filled with magnificent amounts of shit and call it a day, but this means nothing. Even if you are shocked at first by the atrocities of the Imperium or Chaos, or the Dark Eldar you will just scrub it off since in the end... well realistically this would never happen, it isn't a future that you fear might come. And without characters you cannot suspend your disbelief.
Especially when some writers try to portray the Imperium or the Tau as good guys
Another problem is that there is no desirable ending
What I mean is that I cannot route for a faction in warhammer 40k... I dont want the Imperium to win because it means the annihilation of countless races and human civilisations and those that survive will live under a theocratic regime where the Emperor and his Majorly Asshole sons will basically dictate everything based on their view of a perfect mankind, I dont want Chaos to win because it will mean the utter destruction of the Galaxy and everyone turning into mindless demonfood that begs for death. I dont want the Eldar to win because they are basically the British Colonial empire on steroids and they will probably turn every other species to slaves for ever while they monopolise the secrets of eternal life. I dont want the Orks to win because that would be less a win and more prolonging the galaxy spamming war for ever. I dont want the Tyranids to win because it would mean everything is eaten. I dont want the Tau to win because the will just force every other race into sterilising themselves and subsequently going extinct while they rule the galaxy as slaves to the Aethereals. And I dont want the Necrons to win because their gods will kill everything. When you want no one to succeed then you are not invested. And when you have no compelling characters to route for success in their personal struggle you are again not invested.
And a stereotypically good ending of everyone just being friends would be ridiculous and cheesy and it wouldn't make any sense
That is because warhammer was never meant to have an ending good or bad... because it was never meant to be a linear story
Even if we take humanity fuck yeah to the extreme you can still not route for the Imperium because they have killed trillions of humans and made life worse in thousands of planets
Take for example the aforementioned world of Caldera, the Imperium found a peaceful planet of humans that couldnt cause any problems for them and just exterminated all life on it because of blind conviction despite the fact that said people had the keys to the web way (you know the exact thing Emps wanted) and this was before Emps got chair-ed
Even if you try to go full edgelord and route for Horus it is impossible since Horus wants to become emperor and make Chaos-Imperium-on-Steroids-fuckemal-edition
90% of battles in the Horus Heresy series leave the Imperium with no redeeming traits as nothing but assholes that invade planets inhabited by other human societies and making things five times worse for all parties involved because humans were too dump to keep in contact with their own colonies and Big E was a radical atheist before understanding he was actually helping the chaos gods all along with his Crusade (as if the trillions of flayed, raped, disintegrated, mutilated, otherwise-metal-album-cover-ated corpses and the galaxy ending war were not enough indication that his plan to create demigods and order them to conquer the universe was not a great idea)
Why should I feel for any "good guy" in this universe?
@@konnosx1213 that's the thing that made 40K interesting imo, that there are no "good guys ve bad guys" every single race (except the weaboo space communist) are gonna try to kill you.
@@ZacharyReaper I understand that, and I am not saying you shouldnt like it, I am basically listing the reasons this doesnt work for me so much and why I think it doesnt work when WH40k tries to be anything deeper than a simple game setting
But Beaubian! You forgot about the kinky sex. We should aim to show those high fantasy prudes that we think sexuality can make a positive difference by having tons of sex scenes in our books. No need to give characters relationships based on mutual trust and compromise, instead have it be based on neurosis and complexes. And have the characters betray each other, or even murder the other in the end. See? We think human reproduction is positive!
Also note that if something bad happens in real life it's perfectly okay to write entire paragraphs on it, no matter how banal or tiresome it is. People poop, therefore I should fill my grimdark story with scenes of people going to the bathroom!
" People poop, therefore I should fill my grimdark story with scenes of people going to the bathroom!"
Actually this could be a pretty funny thing if done as a form of satire. A thing that always caught my attention when reading the Harry Potter books was that no one was ever mentioned pooping, peeing, taking a shower or brushing their teeth.
@@Henry258654 True; most authors don't really spend much (if any) time talking about bodily functions or basic daily hygiene that most people would assume is happening. It is somewhat implied that someone must have used the bathroom at some point since there is a bathroom ghost and people know if its existence...
Video games also tend to skip over such things. Its kind of funny to play for hundreds of hours, wearing the same outfit, running all over the world and not once is there any mention of showers, baths, or doing laundry. To be fair, can you imagine how annoying a video game would be if it was too realistic? I'm in the middle of killing these orcs, but now my hero is under a "need to poop now" debuff that is reducing my dexterity stat by 100 due to having to clench butt cheeks.
@@randomstuff-qu7sh I think it works best in survival games, like Don't Starve.
@@randomstuff-qu7sh Or pet simulators
IAN WATSON SEWER GOBLIN EXTRAORDINAIRE
Here’s a puppy
Get attached to this puppy
NOW ITS DEAD DEAL WITH IT
Who would have expected it?
You should feel bad!
@@mathisanidioticsport6969 John Wick certainly didn't
Extra points if killed by zombie dogs.
GrIMdArK
Araki is that you?
Id feel insulted if 40k wasn't as comical as it is dark.
CI-CI-CIAPHAS CAIN
HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
CI-CI-CIAPHAS CAIN
HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
TWACU = Terrible Writing Advice Cinematic Universe
Can't possibly be worse than DC.
@@kalashnikovdevil or Dark Universe
featuring the love triangle
I would like to see TWA’s movie(s) when it finally comes out.
Where do i watch the movie where JP comes up with the love triangle to fend off an alien invasion and make world peace at the same time?
"Hyperspace? You have to go through CTHULU'S BACK LAWN!"
I... think that's the plot of Warframe. But in a good way.
it is based on the warp-travel of wh40k where ships go trough hell the go faster than light and sometimes the ship can't come back from there.
flex prime Does hell contain an entity that makes adults go insane yet inexplicably gives children superpowers, and who won't stop sneaking into my Orbiter to jumpscare me?
Mostly yes. It contains chaos gods representing 4 raw range of emotions: Khorne(rage and desire to kill), Nurgle(desire to live and acceptance), Tzeench(desire to change, hope and conspiracy) and Slaanesh(freedom, pleasure and obsessions). Adults go totally insane at best or become corrupt. The grimdark of 40k does not allow a good thing for kids sadly but we can tell ourselves the legion of the damned protects them against danger.
@@TheBadassRaven yesl an infinite of them, with 4 big super chaos gods.
@@flexprime2010 And most of the time the ship gets thrown centuries in the future or in the past. That's why the Ordo Cronus exist.
I, The First Primaris Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge and Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman Victrix Guard, Guilliman student, leader of the Sicarius Council and the biggest Gary Stu of all Warhammer 40k, come from the grimdark (now grimderp) work per excellence: Warhammer 40k.
Exept for Ultramar of course. That's still like in 30k.
Is he a primaris now? I'm kinda behind on the lore but if so that's freaking amazing.
I
CATO SICARIUS
HOW DARE YOU INTERRUPT THE FEEDBACK SESSION OF I CATO SICARIUS!!?!
I, Kharn, Previously 8th Captain of the World Eaters and Equerry to Angron, now known as Kharn the Betrayer, Slaughterer of untold millions and chosen of Khorne, And, generally pretty nice dude outside of combat, am too from the Grim Darkness of the Far Future where there is only war.
Thanks for referencing If the Emperor had a Test to Speech Device
Drinking game:
1- Take a shot every time he says "GrIm DaRk"
2- Alcohol poisoning
How appropriate. Even the drinking game is grim dark.
Can you do one on REVENGE please?? Like for a protagonist motivation or a theme.
*COUGH COUGH Forsaken COUGH COUGH Destiny 2 COUGH*
I loathe that trope when the writers center the whole story around the protagonist taking revenge on someone killed off in the first two minutes. It doesn't matter if the writer says that the hero has loved their girlfriend/brother/mentor their entire life, we, the audience has only known them for two minutes and has no reason to care.
The Bourne movies got that part right, when he loses his girlfriend it happens on the sequel and we had the whole first film to know her and their relationship
How come nine times out of ten the author/story writers try to make it out that the protagonist's quest for revenge is a something which is so cool and unique because it's not purely paragon, even though anyone above the age of eight will accept that taking justice against a one-dimensional puppy burning villain, when no one else will, is justified.
It's really just moral by another name because they are justified in their revenge.
What if... Their quest for revenge is ultimately detrimental and unnecessary? In which it does more harm than good, for the protag and his/her current situation. That might be interesting. Then again, it walks the tightrope of characters need to be logical to be believable but also needs to be driven by emotions and whatnot, to come across as more human. They have to be relate-able but eventually not relate-able, when they take their quest for revenge too far.
I think there are still ways to make Revenge interesting. I think the setting of the story could play another factor.
Once upon a time there was an edgy protagonist. He was so edgy that everyone slit their wrists.
The end.
That didn't help at all...
Then he used the blood to decorate everything in the next edgiest color... Red
I cut myself on dat edge.
I wasn't prepared for that
"Babies as sandwhich spread"
Wait so to clarify I'm supposed to like this character *less* becsuse of this right?
In a world where everyone is unlikable, no one is.
Sarah Andrea Royce Nice Syndrome reference! :)
Yeah. This is going to be socially acceptable in a couple decades.
@@kimifw58 MUH FETUSES
@@Nai-qk4vp What do you mean? I look forward to it. If my daughter has sex at the right time, the whole family will have something to eat for Christmas! Yeah, the incubation will be a pain, but it'll definitely save a lot of money. I think Jonathan Swift had a recipe for that. If not, I guess I could use a suckling pig recipe and replace the meat. This is sarcasm, by the way. I'm not whatever it is you're disapproving of.
You liked the comment I originally commented didn't you? It was such a cute, lovable comment.
BUT OH NO I KILLED IT YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!
We can see whether you edited it or not by the way
I just realized that all these generic traits you mentioned are all in Fist of The North Star, except that Kenshiro is actually a good guy
That's what keeps the story interesting. He's a genuinely good guy who brings hope to the other characters and the audience.
@@kimifw58 actually Berserk to some extent is like that too, but Guts is getting a hell of a lot better now than when he started.
@@kpeguyebbers850 [Sadness Noises]
@@DonVigaDeFierro Wow, this really didn't age all that well now, did it? RIP Miura, i can only hope his colleagues ever decide to finish what he started.
@@kpeguyebbers850 And they will
Oh no, I said Martha and you should feel BAD for trying to kill Superman.
Clark I thought we talked about this. Let the children drown.
Clark the world may be suffering but feel free to fuck off and let humans die.
@@DaSquareful And don't forget to save Metropolis by leveling every last one of its skyscrapers down to the bedrock. Humans tend to love that kind of thing...really.
The Zero Zero You've missed the point of that scene. John wasn't saying "You should let people die". He's basically saying "He doesn't know what the choice is and isn't going to force Clark to choose." He's priming Clark's future self to make the choice to be a hero rather than make it for him. Because if Clark shows off his powers now, he'll become an outcast.
Here's the scene from Birthright that inspired that imgur.com/sfhyKTY
Sharp Design
Quoting CinemaWins "Ah, Here we go again. From what I can gather, this is the moment lots of people, especially the critics turned off their brains. This is not my usual defence of the indefensible, this is plain as day. If you didn't get it please pay attention now. Batman does not spare Superman because their mother's share the same name. Batman has spent 18 Months obsessing over this killing the alien who can destroy the earth. It isn't until Superman uses the name that the alien becomes humanized. At first, Batman becomes even more enraged because he thinks it's another trick. Once he realizes, it's Clark's mom's name does he start that maybe they're not so different. He never considered the evil alien had a human mother or let alone be willing to die for her. But Bruce couldn't save his mother. No matter how many goons Batman Brands, he was just a helpless kid when she was killed just like Clark is now. He'll Never be able to bring his Martha back. Now he has an opportunity for redemption, It literally has nothing to do with their mother's having the same name, that was just the spark (that you can see snapping Bruce out of his kill rage) that showed him Superman wasn't pure evil. With potentially his last breath he asked his killer save someone else. There's no argument. It's not confusing, It's not grasping at straws. It's in the narrative. It's the entire reason we were shown the murder of the Wayne's one more time. This moment goes down as one of the biggest problems amongst dissenters when it's actually one of the most emotionally stirring and theme appropriate scenes if you're paying attention. And the reason why he decided to team up with Supes is because he was finally able to listen to logic now that his kill rage is gone""
@@FraserSouris Facepalm...you're the guy this episode of Terrible Writing Advice was made to mock. You realize this, right?
“I know! I’ll include a scene where the main character gets tortured and raped! That will make it really dark! Of course I can’t bring it up again that might make people sad.”
"What, use such extremely stressful, traumatic, and possibly physical health imparing experiences as chance for future character development or just their background, possibly around acting tough as nails but actually being emotionally fragile, recovering from the trauma, straddle the line between revenge and justice, rediscovering some joy and hope in life, re-inventing themselves, but never really being able to avoid the nightmares and forget the angst? NAAAAAAH, they will be completely fine, and will never ever speak to anyone about it to let out steam, everyone knows mental health is BS."
BRB gotta reread Berserk again.
Or if it's an anime, have it where they lighten the mood with fanservice from the rape victim! *cough cough*Mirai Nikki*cough cough*
My rule of thumb is unless you want to highlight it, you want to keep those details in the background at best. There are great stories out there about the protagonist being raped and then becoming a hero (Hey Berserk the manga/anime where everyone has been raped at some point)… But generally speaking the audience doesn't LIKE rape... so MAYBE don't include it for no reason. Not every book needs to be the Handmaid's Tale (and that book is given FAR too much credit)
TINGMING Xiy cough cough sword art online cough
Oh, you like this tasteful Comments Sectio-
OH NO ITS DEAD!!! I KILLED IT!!!! YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!!
Warhammer 40k is an amazing setting.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
Nowhere Man this one is a loyal son of the emperor
Nowhere Man filthy mon-keigh
@@alexnestel9894 *=][= SUFFER NOT THE XENO TO LIVE =][=*
40k is cool but cuthuhlu Backyard as hyperlane is very grimdark
Nowhere Man y’all lack spikes and bdsm dungeons, how can you stand being human
Oh my, calling out so many """realistic""" authors; I love this topic for the video. I think this really had to be addressed. Not every story should be nihilistic and extremely cruel to represent reality. Really good video.
But if they don't write it then who will
@@DarkSpyro707 People who actually know what they're talking about?
@@DarkSpyro707 Gritty stories are fine, but life doesn't consist of solely torturous conditions for society. It should be contrasted with moments of happiness every once in a while.
A fantastic example of proper grit is A Fox in Space, lots of dry humour. Familiarity amongst characters and proper motivation for actions.
It's easy to say that it 'should be', but is it really my dude? Grimdark stories claiming they're a portrayal of reality are totally allowed to do so because that is reality for some people. Romantic or less moody stories can also claim to be realistic cuz that's how it happened for some people too. Don't discredit things so easily.
gosh I hate people who claim that everything is better when you would make it dark/very serious.
So you know why I can't stand DCEU toxic fans and their neverending quest to export their Stockholm Syndrome.
I agree. Although honestly the opposite is just as bad. A story needs balance
Agreed
toongrowner1 or people who claim that your MC has to be a complexe crying emotional bitch. yea they are still noobs
I have a thing for grimdark fanfiction.
It's fucking hilarious.
Bruh I didn’t realize how nice the grey background was until we lost it.
“And just because a story is depressing that doesn’t mean it’s deep or complex” Ben Yahtzee Croshaw
True words, there is only so much abuse a protagonist can take before it stops being sad and starts being an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon.
As in the creator of The Consuming Shadow, my favorite Lovecraftian dungeon crawl? No wonder I like his game if he was smart enough to figure THAT out.
Gertrud Bondesson depends if the abuse and trauma of the protagonist actually affects there character instead of just happening to shock the audience
@@jonnysac77 not really. It can still just be as nonsensical and derp even if there are "consequences"
tell that to the new tomb raider games
This channel probably has the best sponsorship integration ever. Not a one off either, but a consistent quality with something resembling an overarching plot. The rest of the video was ok I guess.
That's how I felt about his "rivals" episode.
But what about my Edgy OC!!!
His name is Edgar Darkness Raven Cobblestone Poe! His parents died now he is Orphan but his evil older brother tried to murder him with a Death Scythe but some dark witches curse Edgar with the power of darkness and death now he is necromancer! Darkness Raven Cobblestone Poe rival is Jack the Ripper. But Jack the Ripper thinks Edgar is sexy and wants to kiss him! But edgy Sherlock Holmes also wants to kiss Edgar!
Who will kiss Edgar?!?! find out next time Darkness Oblivion Death Adventures!
Dude... 11/10
Hikari Kimiko Kiyoko Thanks! I will email a free image of Edgar Jack the Ripper and Sherlock Holmes having sex in dark gothic castle wearing blood red lingerie! ;)
This was a trip
@@SoniaSephia I'm not even sure if that is Rule 34 or canon....
vro
As a WH40 fan, I enjoyed every second of this video.
"Crude oil? That's made from
*A N C I E N T D E A D C R E A T U R E S"*
...but ... but it is
Welcome to the joke!
Best line of the clip.
Nothing stops America from breaking in to get that crude oil.
And it’s slowly poisoning the atmosphere.
HERESY! **BLAM**
"Who wins in a love triangle? Doesn't matter because everyone dies anyway!" Despite the grimdark I managed to laugh anyway lol.
I also love the idea of the internet being a network of lay lines.
"Love triangles" are a cliche and I for one would like to see them go the way of the dinosaur.
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz I've been watching this channel for a while so it added to the affect because I get the running joke
It's a really good fantasy analogy. Imagine a post-apocalyptic setting where primitive humans are fighting over internet access points. Ohh man, the potential.
See this adorable little boy? Aww see how he laches on to the main character and talks about how he lost his parents at the same time? Awww See how he keeps giving these sentimental objects and memorabilia to the main character, as he talks about going to place he's always wanted to see? Awwww see how he treats the protagonist like an older brother/sister and how he keeps saying he knows he's safe with them? *BOOOM!! hahah!! That boi just got **_LANCED_** through the chest!!*
Sounds a little bit like the first act of Things Fall Apart
HavingFun ISKEY It got boring after they killed off that boy, change my mind
“First I have to add something essential to any grimdark story!”
SLY MARBO!
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"First I have to add..." Kill it. Mercilessly.
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Feels bad, man.
WHAT? SYMPATHY? KILL THAT SHIT! THIS IS G R I M M D A R K