Canon EL 1 Speedlite and EOS Mirrorless Cameras
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- It seems to be under the works for a little while now but Canon is going to be releasing Canon's EL-1 Speedlite next month. It looks good on paper but it seems to be missing a feature alot of those who switched to Canon EOS R, R5, R6 Mirrorless system are looking for. It's it too late?
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Yeah another thing you’re kind of forgetting with the EL1, is the integration with the new mirrorless. A little tidbit of information that’s been floating around for a while is that a Profoto‘s ETTL isn’t as tightly integrated as the canon flashes are so what that means in this case that the ETTL from the canon EL1 can actually synchronize with the eye auto focus so therefore it’s actually more accurate and reliable in that sense as it is the only flash that has built-in cooling. I have both profoto and Godox V1, but I have some high-volume fast action shooting to do and I was really worried that my V1 is either gonna not be able to keep up or it’s going to overheat because I have over 100 subjects to take in a relatively short amount of time so the EL1 in this case pushes the buttons because it won’t overheat and it has very fast recycle time
The part about ETTL II Face priority is false. It is the body doing the metering and telling the flash to output a certain amount of flashpower. The flash is a dumb thing, it doesnt meter anything. So any ETTL flash will work with that feature! But you might need to do some FEC if needed.
@@Photonees Thank you for your response. I never said the flash was doing the metering, just that the flash system was using that data from the camera as you are correct, the flash has no metering and no AF ability. But my overall point stands that the EL-1 brings a higher degree of power to the body that I haven't seen with their AA battery flashes.
EL-1 kicks butt I’m pickin it, up
Congrats to you. I’m sure it is awesome but I don’t feel it’s versatile enough. But cool.
Thumbs up for the amazing audio
Thank you Mark. Thanks for listening :).
Some of Canon's Speedlites have 2 different AF Assist Beam methods. The Canon 430EX III-RT uses pre-flashes by default for the AF Assist or you can use the IR AF Assist which is limited to the center AF point. The Canon 320EX uses an LED light for the AF Assist beam. The Canon 470EX-AI uses the IR AF Assist by default or uses pre-flashes for the AF Assist Beam. The Canon EL-100 doesn't have an IR AF Assist Beam instead it uses pre-flashes for the AF Assist Beam. The Canon EL-1 uses an IR AF Assist by default for the AF Assist Beam. Or it uses pre-flashes for the AF Assist Beam. Here is what Canon says about the EL-1 regarding the AF Assist Beam on the EL-1 and the EOS R series cameras. "When using EOS R series cameras with the Canon EL-1 the speedlite uses pre-flashes for the AF Assist Beam. Even when the AF Assist Beam is set to IR AF Assist Beam". "The camera may use its own AF Assist Beam depending on the ambient lighting". The EOS M series will not fire the AF Assist from the Canon EL-1. Some people have reported that the 580EX II and 600EX II-RT fired pre-flashes for the AF Assist Beam instead of the IR AF Assist Beam.
In other words, mirror-less cameras don't work with current flash units such as the 600EX II-rt.
@@sonicvboom I found out the AF Assist Beam projection on ALL R series mirrorless is by pre-fires/ intermittent flash. When I used my 600EX II-RT it emitted pre-fires. The camera body can override the AF Assist Beam emission method even if the speedlite is set to IR AF Assist Beam. It doesn't matter what Canon EX or EL speedlite you use. The AF Assist Beam will always be projected by pre-fires.
@@hvacguy84 I really dislike the pre-fires tech. Every time it pre-fires, my clients' eyes would be either half shut (due to the pre-fire flash), or they think I've already snapped the photo; Hence going straight into relax mode before the photos is even successfully taken. I much prefer the old school DSLR flash unit grid red beam style. Any idea how does one get the R6 to behave like a DSLR? I've been told turning off exposure simulation is one method.
@@sonicvboom Now what do you mean by act like a DSLR camera. The camera body makes the decision if the camera body or speedlite will emit the AF Assist Beam. You can disable the AF Assist Beam on the speedlite. Then the camera body will emit the AF Assist Beam. Also note if for some reason the camera still can't find focus. The camera body will keep trying to emit its own beam. If the speedlite has its AF Assist Beam setting enabled. The speedlite will emit pre-fires if the camera has already tried to use its own AF Assist Beam. If you need further help there is a website called "Canon Community". They can also help you out there too.
Don’t shoot ETTL there will be no pre-flash on manual. It needs the pre-flash to determine power.
All Canon as well as Nikon overheat & shutdown. Six pro flashes were tested & used.
ATG Gold MG8000 Extreme, Quantum QFlash T2, Profoto A1x/Canon EL-1, Nikon SB-5000 & Sony HVL-F60RM
*1/1 full power if available with ATG Gold or Quantum Turbo Battery Pack with supported HV cables for flashes
* As soon as the ready is On, shutter button or button comes into play
* A1X, EL-1 & SB-5000 have slow recycle times due to no port for HV cable with external battery pack
* Stop working: HVL-F60M, SB-5000, EL-1 and then A1x after 166 (HVL-F60m much less)
* 28mm set = Fresnel lens warped & meltdown on four flashes
* MG8000 & T2 run like the Energizer Bunny, no melt down nor shutdown
* Four flashes have ATG Auto2
* Two have not hv port for hv battery pack
* One can do bare bulb (great even lighting from softbox)
Also, no speedlite/speedlight can sync burst faster than 3 fps
ASA/ISO 100
Subject @ 10 feet from flash
Aperture @ F8 or higher
Ricky & pros & Canon, please test and try it out with your beloved flash.
boasting
This speed light is great. But for $1k I got the Godox v1 and two Godox ad100pro. This is my lighting set up for all my events. I use the Godox 100 to light up the dance floor and always facing each other. the v1 is my trigger and fill light.
Sweet. My setup is pretty similar but with ad200 pointing at the dance floor. It’s a great system. I was hesitant with no AF assist function on mirrorless which in relied on with dslr but the AF lock is soo good on the R5/R6 I never had issues even in dark receptions halls.
@@RickyCheung So are you implying that current mirror-less cameras such as the R6 can detect/ lock on the subject's eye (when using AI servo) under near pitch black conditions even when shooting at an aperture of say between F4 and F8?
The Godox V1 is all well and good, but it is not waterproof and has a battery compartment that's a through hole. If we position ourselves as professional photographers, then we must be ready for any conditions. I shot in the rain once and my Canon Speedlite 580EX II worked fine. Water sticks along it and 16-35 USM III and 1DX II in a stream, but the technique worked like a clock. After shooting, I put everything to dry)). Until now, everything works like a clock! And I don't know what will happen with Godox products. And the color balance, depending on the power of the luminous flux, in Kelvin is shifted to colder shades, from 6180K to 6270K. While Canon's color ranges from 5600K to 5800K. So, before buying, it is better to test everything, so that later you do not suffer from unnecessary work in Lightroom and Photoshop.
I’m sure the weather resistant on the canons is top notch but nothing is waterproof. After owning canons for the part of 10+ years and nearly every flash (5x total) has been through CPS more than one the cost adds up and no where near the power of an ad200. That why it’s my system. I do feel the hesitation but I’ve done drizzle shoots with the v1 with no issues so far. Both great products but the godox has more of a complete system because they are an accessories lighting company so it’s understandable.
I have 3 Godox/Flashpoint V1 units and I've had nothing but headaches with what I'm learning is the non-compatibility with my Canon R6 cameras. I get all sorts of issues when trying to use HSS. I can sometimes get it to work for speeds above 1/200 shutter but then other times my camera is froze at max 1/200. This has happened in two recent outdoor photo shoots when I needed a little light to fill in the shadows. What a bummer. I had to go fleshless and the shots are now ruined (per my standards). I am trying to find a solution to this V1 issue and I have some older Flashpoint Zoom Li On speed lights but I am not sure if they too are unreliable with my R6. I may just have to runaround with my AD200 on a light stand so that I can get at least OCF. Now that I am thinking about it, I have had issues with blown out shots using my AD200s as well during studio shoots. I wasn't using HSS in those scenarios and now that I'm putting two and two together, I wonder if the whole line of Godox lights/triggers are completely unreliable with my R6 camera. This really sucks. $1000 for a speed light is just insane! Thanks for putting out a nice video.
I’m sorry to hear that. Interestingly, I haven’t had issues like this but than again I’m old school when it comes to flashes and shoot all manually most of the time with the v1. I have used HSS via godox trigger x pro with no issues triggering ad200s. Have you tired putting a custom channel/ID.
Thanks for another informative video! After seeing this video I will be sure to stick with my Flashpoint flashes. I totally agree, EL-1 just does not seem to be worth the price, especially with limited features for mirrorless cameras.
Canon is great I think we both agree but thats an insane ask from loyal canon users for almost no innovation.
Well, the Profoto A10 is similarly priced, and does not have active cooling (as far as know), nor does it have to ability to go down to 1/8192 power. The Godox V1 doesn't have those features either, and has a significantly longer recycle time (.9 secs vs. 1.5 secs). Also, the weather sealing is 1DX grade. Expensive, yes, but I think an effective tool for wedding and event photography.
Valid points. The thing now is the canon system can’t be built out, say if I need a lot power over power the sun you can’t you need other flashes with godox you have options for ad200, ad600, etc while still keeping within the same system. Interestingly Westcott is on to something with universal wireless system with their lights.
@@RickyCheung Actually that’s not true, you can use this flash with Godox. As I’ve been using my Profoto with my Godox system as well. What you do is you get the Godox flash receiver that way you use a Godox wireless transmitter on your camera you mount the canon flash on the Godox receiver and then add all your other Godox flashes and they will all work perfectly.
The profoto A1 is garbage. I have had to replace one a year because the mount is so weak. On my third one and something is also rattling inside the flash. I have Profoto b1x and the build quality and lights have been flawless. The A1 on the other hand has been terrible feels cheap, built cheap. Light on A1 is good I prefer it but its just not robust. Going to get this Canon and be done with it. I have never had a Canon flash fail on me in anyway. Profoto repair has also been terrible when it comes to A1. STAY AWAY FROM THE A1.
Interesting experience. Thanks for sharing this about the Profotos.
So... A year later, have they fixed the issue/ figure out why auto assist still does not work with Mirrorless cameras?
The IR AF Assist Beam cannot be detected by mirrorless cameras. Therefore will NEVER be compatible. Instead if you use a Canon speedlite. The speedlite will emit pre-fires to assist in low light or contrast focus. Or the camera body will emit the AF Assist Beam. Depending on contrast or lighting.
@@hvacguy84 That's horrible, lol
@@sonicvboom Canon does make the 320EX speedlite which has an LED light. But by default it will emit pre-fires. You have to go into the camera menu to use the LED light. But there's another problem your subject(s) will be blinded when the AF Assist Beam turns on.
@@hvacguy84 😂😂😂
@@hvacguy84 In other words, DSLR's are still god when it comes to shooting in low light conditions due to the seam-less correlation with the our current flash units.
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It's been two years since this video, and I'm still waiting for any update. Maybe it will solve the problem, but nothing.
We'll probably make a trade at some point
They might be working on LED AF at this point. But I don’t miss having it. Maybe in nightclub situations when it 100% dark.
Is it bad that I want to just stick with my 470EX-AI I got for 1/6th the price of this?
Not one bit, use what works for your line of work, don’t upgrade until you feel you are limited. My first flash was a canon 430EX and now I have 7 different lights for all the types of photography I do.
@@RickyCheung I mean, it works at the moment, seems like a good little thing, it's just a little hard to justify £1250 on a flash, even if I have an R5 and 4 RF lenses lol. I guess the only reason I'd buy this is for 200mm range, AF in dark with my R5 and weather sealing.
still do not understand why MIrrorless cameras can't use the red grid pattern to help them focus??? this price is a joke.
💰💰💰 😬😬😬 even it was for $500 I don’t think I would buy it ! Maybe $350 maybe ….
The good old days of the canon ex580s :)
Thanks for the 76watts is unacceptable for that price point.. The Westcott fj80 is more robust. I was waiting to see what Canon was going to do they simply failed in my opinion. It's now time to move on. No new gels or grids either.
I agree. At this point, I’m still complete Godox because I’m vested now but Westscotts universal system is very interesting.
Canon not selling them cause godox is destroying everyone with there awesome echo system sold all my canon flashes years ago never turn back my v1s ad200s and my af600 I’m ready for war
It’s such a complete and flexible system. I love it.
incredibly overpriced.
100%
I have Godox v1 and v860ii and Canon better work with my r5, and also EL1 doesn’t have heating issue, that I have with Godox flashes.
My thought process is if you are having heat issues with a speedlite you are over working a speedlite, it happens but might as well move up to something like an AD200 if you work a EL1 too hard you don’t have options above that in the canon lineup. With the Godox lineup you can grow with canon you are stuck.
No fools going to drop $1,000.00 for a 77ws flash.
Love Canon but yea I agree that’s a a lot to swallow even for quality built, etc, canon functionality but it’s still a small standalone flash.
@@RickyCheung The good on Canon & Nikon top-of-line flashes are that they have ATG Auto2.
Many new flashes do not have the ATG Auto2 features (which is much better than TTL).
ATG/Jinbei have the Gold/HD-2 (multi-hybrid speedlite) in limited productions.
You should do a review on that.
ATG Gold has built-in 5GHz TTL/M transceiver to control ATG/Jinbei/Orlit/Profoto/Rollei TTLs.
Also ATG Gold has TCM like some models of ATG/Godox can do ATG's TCM.
Jinbei has built-in 2.4GHz TTL transmitter
Both have Gold center head zoom
You only have to buy one speedlite because the hotshoe's has multi-pins for many cameras.
Adorama and B&H have posted it but deleted & inflated the prices with FJ80 (ATG/Jinbei, From Jinbei 80ws speedlite). But still much lower than Canon EL-1.
Like I just stated, ATG/Jinbei make it for /or under Rollei, Orlit, Westcott. So you only needs to buy one flash. It will be compatible with Canon/Sony/Nikon/Olympus/Fuji/Panasonic cameras.
Can't do that with a Canon EL-1, Nikon SB-5000 nor Sony HVL-F60M.
Thanks for review. Yes, this sounds like rip off🤪 I might go with Godox V1
$1000 bucks for a flash... wow!! If $ was no object sure but even professionally it makes no sense because it isn’t adaptive with larger lights easily. The V1s are great and a system you can build upon with ad200s, ad600, etc. good luck and thanks for watching.
Since ATG has many, try looking into ATG/Jinbei/Rollei/Westcott speedlites.
One flash is all you going to need to work on many brand cameras, Canon works only on Canon's.
Two major camera stores in USA sold it under the name of Westcott FJ80 (From Jenbei, like this as same as Rollei, they do not make their own equipment)
Only Canon from 580EX II up have ATG Auto2 modes.
ATG/Jinbei/Orlit/Rollei once had ATG Auto2. And same as ATG/Nissin MG8000 Extreme.