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Thank y'all for this episode. I became born again at 27, 3 years into my marriage with my husband. He doesn't believe the bible is innerrant and I've been trying to find ways to talk to him about why scripture is true. This will hopefully lead to fruitful conversation for us.
@@hza1203 See this on Wikipedia. Maybe it will help. Presuppositional apologetics. I also recommend sermons by John MAcArthur and R.C. Sproul which you can find here. All are good by either of these excellent pastors.
I hope this message receives you well. I was also born again 2 years ago. I always believed in God and called myself a Christian, but I wasn't really. I knew my husband didn't believe in God when I married him. After 2 plus years of praying and finding a sound church that prays fervently, my husband is now believing. The Lord also led me to a lot of apologetic podcasts that led me to some books. He wasn't for the Bible but he was cool with the apologetic books. There is also a fantastic video you can find on UA-cam called the 20-minute defense on the Bible given by Voddie Bachum. Pray without ceasing and God will open his heart and his eyes
I can never take Joe Rogan seriously again. No Joe, no. There's this thing called "geographic distribution," which demonstrates a vast majority of the NT books were in circulation prior to Constantine was even born. Already by the 3rd and 4th c. (prior to Constantine), the NT was already so well attested throughout the Christian world, existing in 4th and 5th c. Greek witnesses (and independent authors) from the Byzantine tradition (A, C, W), the Alexandrian tradition (א, B), the Western tradition (D), and every early versional witness from the 4th-5th c. period (Coptic, Syriac, Georgian, Latin, the list goes on) which indicates that those scribes, in each their own language, were working from an earlier archetype. For the NT to be so prominent by the 3rd and 4th c., this leads one to ask just how early it had to have been in order to sweep/flourish the Christian world so early? Not to mention all the early papyri that date to the 2nd and 3rd c. What a ding dong. He would have looked a whole lot smarter had he not opened his mouth.
@@sharroon7574 No body likes to be reminded of their sinful desires. And that is likely the issue he faces, in some way. And it impacts us all at one time or another, right? So we need to sympathize with that, while also recognizing that it is his wicked heart that is trying to find an "excuse" out. The heart of a wicked man will do anything, who can trust it? It is the biggest whore of all. Don't ever let it fool you. People need to pray for him, but also recognize when he's fibbing. Perhaps one day Truth will pull at the strings of his heart's fiddle.
Wow good answer very informative answered a lot. I became a Believer back in the twenties in college and studied all the time I bought Bible dictionaries expository dictionaries parallel ones with the Hebrew and Greek. Read a lot of Scholars. I've drifted a little so this pulls it together thank you so much feel free to send me any comments anytime my favorite subject thanks again
Loved this conversation!! We definitely need to talk about this more because it’s very important to apologetics. God bless you guys!! Love your content. 🙏🏽
CONSTANTINE REIGNED FROM 306 to 337 AD Did he come back from the dead to decide what was in the Bible🤦♀🤦♀ For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Bible as we know it today. Christians had the Old Testament Septuagint, and literally hundreds of other books from which to choose. The Catholic Church realized early on that she had to decide which of these books were inspired and which ones weren't. The debates raged between theologians, Bishops, and Church Fathers, for several centuries as to which books were inspired and which ones weren't. In the meantime, several Church Councils or Synods, were convened to deal with the matter, notably, Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419. The debates sometimes became bitter on both sides. One of the most famous was between St. Jerome, who felt the seven books were not canonical, and St. Augustine who said they were. Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church. Now the story had a dramatic change, as the Pope stepped in to settle the matter. In concurrence with the opinion of St. Augustine, and being prompted by the Holy Spirit, Pope St. Damasus I, at the Council of Rome in 382, issued a decree appropriately called, "The Decree of Damasus", in which he listed the canonical books of both the Old and New Testaments. He then asked St. Jerome to use this canon and to write a new Bible translation which included an Old Testament of 46 books, which were all in the Septuagint, and a New Testament of 27 books. ROME HAD SPOKEN, THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED. "THE CHURCH RECOGNIZED ITS IMAGE IN THE INSPIRED BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THAT IS HOW IT DETERMINED THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE. St. Jerome acquiesced under obedience (Hebrews 13:17) and began the translation, and completed it in 404 A.D.. In 405, his new Latin Vulgate* was published for the first time. *The word "vulgate" means, "The common language of the people, or the vernacular". The Decree of Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome. 382 A.D.... ST. DAMASUS 1, POPE, THE DECREE OF DAMASUS:
Thank you for this! Plain a simple. No twists and turns to omit the truth. Thank you Catholic Church for doing all the leg work and keeping Christianity going since our Christ started it.
I say Protestants are a part of the Church that 1) received the Scriptures (without intervention of the RCC--Paul didn't ask Rome for permission to write, and even corrected Rome (in Romans), showing God/Scriptural authority over Rome, and sent the letters on God's authority, not Rome's), and 2) that later decided the Scriptures. However, Christ commends Churches for good while also reprimanding them for doing evil (eg, in Revelation 2, 3); we should understand that Churches can have both good and bad deeds. That is, we don't need to affirm a person's, or a Church's, infallibility to recognize they did something good like deciding Scriptures.
It is fairly easy to track the building of the canon over the years. It is fairly obvious reading the later letters of Paul that he realized some of his letters were being accepted as scripture. The Muratorian canon, circa 200AD, had a number of the now accepted books listed, along with some others being considered and some, like Shepherd of Hermas, recommended reading, but only for private use.
For every Catholic who leaves the Church a hundred Evangelicals comes back home thanks to the work of Fr. Mike Schmitz and his Bible in a Year podcast.
👆Pew Research reports Opposite @ Ratio of 1 to 6.7. For each 1 new Catholic convert there are 6.7 Catholics exiting. 52% of those raised Catholic are currently adult X-Catholics. 25 years ago, 25% of US citizens were Catholics, currently 20% identify as Catholic. All of the above for United States.
Diocletian was the Augustus, so gets the blame, but it was his Caesar Galerius who really pushed the persecution. The persecutions of 250 and 257 were also critical as to Christian doctrinal development.
For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Bible as we know it today. Christians had the Old Testament Septuagint, and literally hundreds of other books from which to choose. The Catholic Church realized early on that she had to decide which of these books were inspired and which ones weren't. The debates raged between theologians, Bishops, and Church Fathers, for several centuries as to which books were inspired and which ones weren't. In the meantime, several Church Councils or Synods, were convened to deal with the matter, notably, Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419. The debates sometimes became bitter on both sides. One of the most famous was between St. Jerome, who felt the seven books were not canonical, and St. Augustine who said they were. Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church. Now the story had a dramatic change, as the Pope stepped in to settle the matter. In concurrence with the opinion of St. Augustine, and being prompted by the Holy Spirit, Pope St. Damasus I, at the Council of Rome in 382, issued a decree appropriately called, "The Decree of Damasus", in which he listed the canonical books of both the Old and New Testaments. He then asked St. Jerome to use this canon and to write a new Bible translation which included an Old Testament of 46 books, which were all in the Septuagint, and a New Testament of 27 books. ROME HAD SPOKEN, THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED. "THE CHURCH RECOGNIZED ITS IMAGE IN THE INSPIRED BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THAT IS HOW IT DETERMINED THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE. St. Jerome acquiesced under obedience (Hebrews 13:17) and began the translation, and completed it in 404 A.D.. In 405, his new Latin Vulgate* was published for the first time. *The word "vulgate" means, "The common language of the people, or the vernacular". The Decree of Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome. 382 A.D.... ST. DAMASUS 1, POPE, THE DECREE OF DAMASUS:🤣🤣
@@bibleman8010 you could argue that Damascus wanted the Latin to be the language used but he didn’t select the books of the Bible. You should read some of Krugers books on the canon. It’s a theological question
Wait hold on a minute... this guy is mentioning the Apocrypha books as if they are apart of our Bibles today and there's no controversy surrounding these books. You could make a video just on that alone. He's just flippantly saying these are equal to the New Testament and there's no controversy surrounding these writings as inspired scripture. So where's this conversation going?
The Apocrypha is entirely pre-new testament. Some are inter-testamental, some are earlier. Only the Roman church has made them canonical. The KJV did not “officially” eliminate them until 1825. The Geneva even initially included them, although they were considered historical by both, not scripture.
Now, the gnostic books were rejected from the beginning. Once a book appeared, it did not take long to discredit it. By the time they began to appear, Marcion and Montanus were already forcing the church to determine which books should or should not be accepted as scripture.
“1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” From the JW NWT, which is their official Bible. Evidently, they believe in several gods.
Referring to the earlier Alexandrian texts (from Egypt), it is very important to remember that “earliest” (Alexandrian) does not automatically mean most accurate. This is a common and grave misunderstanding. There are over 5,000 copies of the Byzantine text family, with 99% agreement among them, and less than 15 texts from the Alexandrian lineage with disagreement all over them.
AD 51-125: The New Testament books are written. AD 140: Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as Scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke's gospel (he deleted references to Jesus's Jewishness). Marcion's "New Testament", the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul. AD 200: The periphery of the canon is not yet determined. According to one list, compiled at Rome c. AD 200 (the Muratorian Canon), the NT consists of the 4 gospels; Acts; 13 letters of Paul (Hebrews is not included); 3 of the 7 General Epistles (1-2 John and Jude); and also the Apocalypse of Peter. AD 367: The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39 of 367 A.D.. 382 --Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order. 393 A.D. --the Council of Hippo, which began "arguing it out." Canon proposed by Bishop Athanasius. AD 397: The Council of Carthage, which refined the canon for the Western Church, sending it back to Pope Innocent for ratification. In the East, the canonical process was hampered by a number of schisms (esp. within the Church of Antioch). However, this changed by ... 787 A.D. The Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II, which adopted the canon of Carthage. At this point, both the Latin West and the Greek / Byzantine East had the same canon. However, ... The non-Greek, Monophysite and Nestorian Churches of the East (the Copts, the Ethiopians, the Syrians, the Armenians, the Syro-Malankars, the Chaldeans, and the Malabars) were still left out. But these Churches came together in agreement, in 1442A.D., in Florence. AD 1442: At the Council of Florence, the entire Church recognized the 27 books. This council confirmed the Roman Catholic Canon of the Bible which Pope Damasus I had published a thousand years earlier. So, by 1439, all orthodox branches of the Church were legally bound to the same canon. This is 100 years before the Reformation. AD 1536: In his translation of the Bible from Greek into German, Luther removed 4 N.T. books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation) and placed them in an appendix saying they were less than canonical. AD 1546: At the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church reaffirmed once and for all the full list of 27 books. The council also confirmed the inclusion of the Deuterocanonical books which had been a part of the Bible canon since the early Church and was confirmed at the councils of 393 AD, 373, 787 and 1442 AD. At Trent Rome actually dogmatized the canon, making it more than a matter of canon law, which had been the case up to that point, closing it for good.😜😜
Constantine didn’t write the Bible, It was God breathed and the Holy Spirit was relied on by the Catholic Church to comply it. Your comment beautifully shows the paper trail. Thank you for the simple outline.
@@franceshaypenny8481 Yes, you just proved my point! Not all New Yorkers are American citizens!! Not all New Yorkers are native New Yorkers...... Thanks again for proving my point!!
@@CameronSzwed Yes, you're proving my point, it was locational. Even Paul wrote "I'm a (Judean) of Tarsus". Not everyone living in Judea was a Hebrew, not all of Judah are even true Israelites : some were from Shua some (real ones, like Jesus) were from Tamar. Big difference!!
My wife does not like the swearing, I recognize that people are not perfect, that non-believers have filthy minds and mouths. Have served in the armed forces, the women were worse than the men.
You should say goodbye to Rogan, etc. not Cultish. If you won’t listen to Cultish because of language, you’re missing exceptional content, and I don’t hear foul language from the program, only from clips from others, such a Rogan, who Cultish very capably destroys.
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Thank y'all for this episode. I became born again at 27, 3 years into my marriage with my husband. He doesn't believe the bible is innerrant and I've been trying to find ways to talk to him about why scripture is true. This will hopefully lead to fruitful conversation for us.
Difficult being unequally yoked, isn't it? I pray he will be born again.
have you try using the presuptional arguement?
Can you explain what the presuptional argument is? I am looking to share the gospel with my unbelieving husband too.
@@hza1203 See this on Wikipedia. Maybe it will help. Presuppositional apologetics. I also recommend sermons by John MAcArthur and R.C. Sproul which you can find here. All are good by either of these excellent pastors.
I hope this message receives you well. I was also born again 2 years ago. I always believed in God and called myself a Christian, but I wasn't really. I knew my husband didn't believe in God when I married him. After 2 plus years of praying and finding a sound church that prays fervently, my husband is now believing. The Lord also led me to a lot of apologetic podcasts that led me to some books. He wasn't for the Bible but he was cool with the apologetic books. There is also a fantastic video you can find on UA-cam called the 20-minute defense on the Bible given by Voddie Bachum. Pray without ceasing and God will open his heart and his eyes
Soooo....Constantine made up Christianity and then converted to it on his deathbed. So he had dementia and forgot he made it up?
I can never take Joe Rogan seriously again. No Joe, no. There's this thing called "geographic distribution," which demonstrates a vast majority of the NT books were in circulation prior to Constantine was even born. Already by the 3rd and 4th c. (prior to Constantine), the NT was already so well attested throughout the Christian world, existing in 4th and 5th c. Greek witnesses (and independent authors) from the Byzantine tradition (A, C, W), the Alexandrian tradition (א, B), the Western tradition (D), and every early versional witness from the 4th-5th c. period (Coptic, Syriac, Georgian, Latin, the list goes on) which indicates that those scribes, in each their own language, were working from an earlier archetype. For the NT to be so prominent by the 3rd and 4th c., this leads one to ask just how early it had to have been in order to sweep/flourish the Christian world so early?
Not to mention all the early papyri that date to the 2nd and 3rd c.
What a ding dong. He would have looked a whole lot smarter had he not opened his mouth.
I thought it was strange how excited he was about it, I doubt he takes the bible seriously so why so angry.
@@sharroon7574 No body likes to be reminded of their sinful desires. And that is likely the issue he faces, in some way. And it impacts us all at one time or another, right? So we need to sympathize with that, while also recognizing that it is his wicked heart that is trying to find an "excuse" out. The heart of a wicked man will do anything, who can trust it? It is the biggest whore of all. Don't ever let it fool you. People need to pray for him, but also recognize when he's fibbing. Perhaps one day Truth will pull at the strings of his heart's fiddle.
Wow good answer very informative answered a lot. I became a Believer back in the twenties in college and studied all the time I bought Bible dictionaries expository dictionaries parallel ones with the Hebrew and Greek. Read a lot of Scholars. I've drifted a little so this pulls it together thank you so much feel free to send me any comments anytime my favorite subject thanks again
Joe Rogan is a new age pusher, whether he realizes it or not. He’s big into hallucinogens and speaking with spirit guides.
Wow! This was great!!! Would be great to have a book dedicated to all these "lost gospels." Can't wait for part 2 of this!
I laugh every time RCC folk say "you wouldnt have the Canon without us"
Because its the truth!
RCC?
@@Chirhopher the Roman Catholic Church
@@Daniel-vp8os no, it is a claim from later after the Canon was already established, it was just affirmed by a council and not even an RCC one
@RealCaptainAwesome who and what was this council comprised of? Were they Protestants, laity?
Plus the prophecies are still being fulfilled that's mind-blowing in it's self so I agree we are getting closer to the text.
Loved this conversation!! We definitely need to talk about this more because it’s very important to apologetics. God bless you guys!! Love your content. 🙏🏽
This really just shows that identify theft has been around forever?
The Great I Am decided what was in the bible. No discussion, no doubt.
Exactly! He did it through the Holy Spirit through the Catholic Church. :)
CONSTANTINE REIGNED FROM 306 to 337 AD Did he come back from the dead to decide what was in the Bible🤦♀🤦♀
For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Bible as we know it today. Christians had the Old Testament Septuagint, and literally hundreds of other books from which to choose. The Catholic Church realized early on that she had to decide which of these books were inspired and which ones weren't. The debates raged between theologians, Bishops, and Church Fathers, for several centuries as to which books were inspired and which ones weren't. In the meantime, several Church Councils or Synods, were convened to deal with the matter, notably, Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419. The debates sometimes became bitter on both sides. One of the most famous was between St. Jerome, who felt the seven books were not canonical, and St. Augustine who said they were. Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church.
Now the story had a dramatic change, as the Pope stepped in to settle the matter. In concurrence with the opinion of St. Augustine, and being prompted by the Holy Spirit, Pope St. Damasus I, at the Council of Rome in 382, issued a decree appropriately called, "The Decree of Damasus", in which he listed the canonical books of both the Old and New Testaments. He then asked St. Jerome to use this canon and to write a new Bible translation which included an Old Testament of 46 books, which were all in the Septuagint, and a New Testament of 27 books.
ROME HAD SPOKEN, THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED.
"THE CHURCH RECOGNIZED ITS IMAGE IN THE INSPIRED BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THAT IS HOW IT DETERMINED THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE.
St. Jerome acquiesced under obedience (Hebrews 13:17) and began the translation, and completed it in 404 A.D.. In 405, his new Latin Vulgate* was published for the first time.
*The word "vulgate" means, "The common language of the people, or the vernacular".
The Decree of Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome. 382 A.D....
ST. DAMASUS 1, POPE, THE DECREE OF DAMASUS:
Thank you for this! Plain a simple. No twists and turns to omit the truth. Thank you Catholic Church for doing all the leg work and keeping Christianity going since our Christ started it.
This is fantastic!
Tuning in from South Africa! Best podcast for road trips. Thanks guys!!
God bless you S.A. 🙏🏼
Congrats on your rugby World Cup victory!
Just subbed to Cultish
Out of thousands of Christian denominations which one is the truth? Scripture says there's only one body.
This was a great talk, thanks!
Love your humility Wes! Always a pleasure listening to your commentary and your expertise God Bless you brother! 🙌🙏🏻🙌
I say Protestants are a part of the Church that 1) received the Scriptures (without intervention of the RCC--Paul didn't ask Rome for permission to write, and even corrected Rome (in Romans), showing God/Scriptural authority over Rome, and sent the letters on God's authority, not Rome's), and 2) that later decided the Scriptures.
However, Christ commends Churches for good while also reprimanding them for doing evil (eg, in Revelation 2, 3); we should understand that Churches can have both good and bad deeds. That is, we don't need to affirm a person's, or a Church's, infallibility to recognize they did something good like deciding Scriptures.
It is fairly easy to track the building of the canon over the years. It is fairly obvious reading the later letters of Paul that he realized some of his letters were being accepted as scripture. The Muratorian canon, circa 200AD, had a number of the now accepted books listed, along with some others being considered and some, like Shepherd of Hermas, recommended reading, but only for private use.
For every Catholic who leaves the Church a hundred Evangelicals comes back home thanks to the work of Fr. Mike Schmitz and his Bible in a Year podcast.
👆Pew Research reports Opposite
@ Ratio of 1 to 6.7.
For each 1 new Catholic convert there are 6.7 Catholics exiting.
52% of those raised Catholic are currently adult X-Catholics.
25 years ago, 25% of US citizens were Catholics, currently 20% identify as Catholic.
All of the above for United States.
Funny he didn’t speak about Constantine’s mother who was a Christian convert
Thanks guys😊
For the algorithm
Diocletian was the Augustus, so gets the blame, but it was his Caesar Galerius who really pushed the persecution. The persecutions of 250 and 257 were also critical as to Christian doctrinal development.
Great episode!
Didn’t Rome canonize their bible at the council of Trent and it was Jerome’s Latin vulgate?
For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Bible as we know it today. Christians had the Old Testament Septuagint, and literally hundreds of other books from which to choose. The Catholic Church realized early on that she had to decide which of these books were inspired and which ones weren't. The debates raged between theologians, Bishops, and Church Fathers, for several centuries as to which books were inspired and which ones weren't. In the meantime, several Church Councils or Synods, were convened to deal with the matter, notably, Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419. The debates sometimes became bitter on both sides. One of the most famous was between St. Jerome, who felt the seven books were not canonical, and St. Augustine who said they were. Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine. I must point out here that Church Father's writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome's position, or Augustine's position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church.
Now the story had a dramatic change, as the Pope stepped in to settle the matter. In concurrence with the opinion of St. Augustine, and being prompted by the Holy Spirit, Pope St. Damasus I, at the Council of Rome in 382, issued a decree appropriately called, "The Decree of Damasus", in which he listed the canonical books of both the Old and New Testaments. He then asked St. Jerome to use this canon and to write a new Bible translation which included an Old Testament of 46 books, which were all in the Septuagint, and a New Testament of 27 books.
ROME HAD SPOKEN, THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED.
"THE CHURCH RECOGNIZED ITS IMAGE IN THE INSPIRED BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THAT IS HOW IT DETERMINED THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE.
St. Jerome acquiesced under obedience (Hebrews 13:17) and began the translation, and completed it in 404 A.D.. In 405, his new Latin Vulgate* was published for the first time.
*The word "vulgate" means, "The common language of the people, or the vernacular".
The Decree of Pope St. Damasus I, Council of Rome. 382 A.D....
ST. DAMASUS 1, POPE, THE DECREE OF DAMASUS:🤣🤣
@@bibleman8010 for 300 years? Lol early church fathers quote Scripture.
Good try my dude.
@@essdee800 its history sorry dude🤣🤣
@@bibleman8010 no it’s not. Romes canon was decided at the council of Trent and it’s Jerome’s Latin vulgate
@@bibleman8010 you could argue that Damascus wanted the Latin to be the language used but he didn’t select the books of the Bible. You should read some of Krugers books on the canon. It’s a theological question
Mark is probably Peter’s recollection, scribed by Mark. I can’t see dating any of the Gospels later than circa 60, and probably earlier.
Wait hold on a minute... this guy is mentioning the Apocrypha books as if they are apart of our Bibles today and there's no controversy surrounding these books. You could make a video just on that alone. He's just flippantly saying these are equal to the New Testament and there's no controversy surrounding these writings as inspired scripture. So where's this conversation going?
The Apocrypha is entirely pre-new testament. Some are inter-testamental, some are earlier. Only the Roman church has made them canonical. The KJV did not “officially” eliminate them until 1825. The Geneva even initially included them, although they were considered historical by both, not scripture.
Now, the gnostic books were rejected from the beginning. Once a book appeared, it did not take long to discredit it. By the time they began to appear, Marcion and Montanus were already forcing the church to determine which books should or should not be accepted as scripture.
“1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” From the JW NWT, which is their official Bible. Evidently, they believe in several gods.
You guys should do a deep dive into the connexions cult in Utah
Why don't you just link to the new channel?
A lot of this nonsense comes even from the Scofield Bible, and particularly its commentary on Revelation 2, where it references Constantine !
Yeah, he called all the bishops together and said figure all this shit out.
Referring to the earlier Alexandrian texts (from Egypt), it is very important to remember that “earliest” (Alexandrian) does not automatically mean most accurate. This is a common and grave misunderstanding. There are over 5,000 copies of the Byzantine text family, with 99% agreement among them, and less than 15 texts from the Alexandrian lineage with disagreement all over them.
AD 51-125: The New Testament books are written.
AD 140: Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods:
Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as Scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke's gospel (he deleted references to Jesus's Jewishness). Marcion's "New Testament", the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul.
AD 200: The periphery of the canon is not yet determined. According to one list, compiled at Rome c. AD 200 (the Muratorian Canon), the NT consists of the 4 gospels; Acts; 13 letters of Paul (Hebrews is not included); 3 of the 7 General Epistles (1-2 John and Jude); and also the Apocalypse of Peter.
AD 367: The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39 of 367 A.D..
382 --Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.
393 A.D. --the Council of Hippo, which began "arguing it out." Canon proposed by Bishop Athanasius.
AD 397: The Council of Carthage, which refined the canon for the Western Church, sending it back to Pope Innocent for ratification. In the East, the canonical process was hampered by a number of schisms (esp. within the Church of Antioch). However, this changed by ...
787 A.D. The Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II, which adopted the canon of Carthage. At this point, both the Latin West and the Greek / Byzantine East had the same canon. However, ... The non-Greek, Monophysite and Nestorian Churches of the East (the Copts, the Ethiopians, the Syrians, the Armenians, the Syro-Malankars, the Chaldeans, and the Malabars) were still left out. But these Churches came together in agreement, in 1442A.D., in Florence.
AD 1442: At the Council of Florence, the entire Church recognized the 27 books. This council confirmed the Roman Catholic Canon of the Bible which Pope Damasus I had published a thousand years earlier. So, by 1439, all orthodox branches of the Church were legally bound to the same canon. This is 100 years before the Reformation.
AD 1536: In his translation of the Bible from Greek into German, Luther removed 4 N.T. books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation) and placed them in an appendix saying they were less than canonical.
AD 1546: At the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church reaffirmed once and for all the full list of 27 books. The council also confirmed the inclusion of the Deuterocanonical books which had been a part of the Bible canon since the early Church and was confirmed at the councils of 393 AD, 373, 787 and 1442 AD. At Trent Rome actually dogmatized the canon, making it more than a matter of canon law, which had been the case up to that point, closing it for good.😜😜
Constantine didn’t write the Bible, It was God breathed and the Holy Spirit was relied on by the Catholic Church to comply it. Your comment beautifully shows the paper trail. Thank you for the simple outline.
“No one is going to read the gospel of Wes. He’s Canadian, he’s just a generic white guy, nobody is going to read what he says.”
😂 ouch
1 mile equals 1,600 kilometers
My sons name is Constantine
I have a nephew named Beowulf. Also a pagan name.
My sons name is Noah
My sons names are James and Knox
Quinton terentino is a weirdo, I'm surprised he likes that stuff so much.
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Early Christians were Israelites NOT "jews"!!! "Jews" meant Judeans, not all Israelites were Judeans!!
That's like saying not all New Yorkers were Americans.
They were all from Judea… that’s where Jesus’ ministry was.
Christianity spread from Judea into the other parts of the world.
@@franceshaypenny8481 Yes, you just proved my point! Not all New Yorkers are American citizens!! Not all New Yorkers are native New Yorkers...... Thanks again for proving my point!!
@@CameronSzwed Yes, you're proving my point, it was locational. Even Paul wrote "I'm a (Judean) of Tarsus". Not everyone living in Judea was a Hebrew, not all of Judah are even true Israelites : some were from Shua some (real ones, like Jesus) were from Tamar. Big difference!!
@@regenerated4life that word did not exist at that time!!!! Look up the etymology, it always meant Judeans!
There are only 4 Gospels. The idea of the “gospel of Thomas” and the “gospel of Peter” is very Catholic in origin.
Gnostic origin
what are you talking about? Those were gnostic writings entirely condemned by the Catholic Church within the first few centuries of Christianity…
@@antoviamonte3429, by catholic do you mean the whole church or Roman Catholic? Because, one didn't exist in the 2nd and 3rd century.
@@heathobrien356when did the other one begin?
@@colman_s , the pope wasn't a fully accepted position until around the 7th century. The Cardinals much later.
too much swearing. goodbye
No swearing is too much for you? Hello?
My wife does not like the swearing, I recognize that people are not perfect, that non-believers have filthy minds and mouths. Have served in the armed forces, the women were worse than the men.
You should say goodbye to Rogan, etc. not Cultish. If you won’t listen to Cultish because of language, you’re missing exceptional content, and I don’t hear foul language from the program, only from clips from others, such a Rogan, who Cultish very capably destroys.
No. Next?