Cultish: Debunking Pagan Holiday Myths w/ Michael Jones
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Welcome to this second special episode where Jeremiah and Andrew along with Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy answer Pagan Myth objections to Christianity.
How do you answer someone who claims that Christianity has stolen from Paganism?
Do any Christian Celebrated Holidays have Pagan origins?
Tune in to find out!
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"26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary."
The sixth month on the Jewish civil calendar in the month of Adar. When compared to the Juliam calendar, it runs from late Febr to late March.
Late March conception - late December birth.
I'm a white Hebrew Israelite.... Sunday Lawless-Torah-less Christianity is the biggest cult in the world.
Gotta disagree with you
2 cor 5 14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Can't be celebrating Halloween as a Christian
Thank you for having me on.
I would like for you both to engage in a debate with someone who affirms the position you are arguing against.
I tell fellow Christians who say we are celebrating 'pagan' holidays. I reply that every day is the Lord's day! And regardless of the origins it is a tradition which allows us an opportunity to share the Good News of Jesus!
The SDA and their like, calls the worship of Christ on "Sun-day" as a Pagan Day of Worship. The self-righteous Pharisees didn't preach that stuff. The Priests of God were *commanded* to worship twice on Sunday, *every Sunday* in the Morning and the evening called *"the DAILY Sacrifice"* ! Exodus 29: 36-42, Numbers 28:1-8, and directly referred to in Dan.8:11, 8:12, 8:13, Daniel 12:11, Hebrews 7:27 .
*Not only is Sunday pure for worship of Christ, so is every other day of the year! Don't let the Pharisees tell you, the Pagans own ANY DAY! Christ is the author of every day of the year! 24/365 Read Genesis 2* God is the author of "all creation" and *EVERY DAY AND EVERY WEEK AND EVERY YEAR*
God has never forbidden his people to worship on Sunday and neither did Christ or the Apostles. *Moreover, Acts 2 is Pentecost Sunday* Pentecost is a sacred commanded day and Sabbath, by God Himself.
*The origin of Sunday worship comes from Heaven. The Angels have always worshiped God on Sunday as much as Saturday. Btw: Moses and the prophets, Christ and the Apostles never taught any day was Pagan. The Adventist have made a doctrine and tradition of men and fable out of the very first day God created in Gen. 2.*
If anyone is interested, in this video I completely cover the "Pagan Day" Propaganda from a scriptural point of view from the Law of Moses itself to the New Testament
. ua-cam.com/video/otTQK0JD3vA/v-deo.html
@@LoveNow907 You mean the "Appointed days" for the Children of Isael in Lev. 23? or for Christians?
Christ has appointed us to obey the Church, not Moses.
@@chucksmith4624 Answer this -- why would a god who wants ALL of his sons and daughters to be "keeping His commandments" only assign the Sabbath just for the Israelite? It's one of the 10 commandments. Have we human become cherry-picking of the law? If God want us "not to kill", why do we think that now God is ok for us to left one of His commandments out. I don't worship the Sabbath. I worship God WITH the Sabbath. It's not tradition of man if we know what God wants and follow that. It's not salvation by works. I don't keep the Sabbath to be saved. I keep it because "if thou love me, keep my commandments"
@@TienKhaiTH The Ellen G. White and all the The Adventists condemn themselves with their own mouths. The law says: Deu 8: 2 And *thou shalt REMEMBER ALL the way(s) which* Jehovah thy God hath led thee *these forty* *(40)* years in the wilderness,* that he might humble thee, to PROVE thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest *keep HIS COMMANDMENTS* , or NOT" *ALL THE WAYS,* During the 40 years! Not the 10 commandments alone.
That means ALL OF THEM, not just the 10 commandments, it includes all the Sabbaths of Lev. 23 that Israel was both taught and commanded to keep *those 40 years* ! Don't try to limit them to the 10 commandments, because there is simply no truthful way to come remotely close to doing that. Let's see, if the Adventist's will have the *"Character of God"* to be honest!
Ellen G. White condemns herself and all her followers when she writes: "
"The church is God's agency for the proclamation of truth, empowered by Him to do a special work; and if she is loyal to Him, *obedient to ALL His commandments,* there will dwell within her the excellency of divine grace. If she will be true to her allegiance, if she will honor the Lord God of Israel, there is no power that can stand against her."
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YET, the Adventists refuse to obey "ALL of *HIS COMMANDMENTS* Which the Lord lead them in "ALL HIS WAYS those 40 years* They condemn themselves with their own mouths and hearts.
Deuteronomy 27:26 (KJV) 26 Cursed be he that confirmeth *not all the words* , of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
The Adventists know so little about the bible. It condemns them at every turn. Deuteronomy 27:26 (KJV) 26 Cursed be he that confirmeth *not ALL the words* , of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. They REFUSE to obey God's commandments, "ALL OF THEM" .
The nation of Israel made a golden calf as a attempt to worship YHVH, after He showed them how to worship…God didn’t accept their worship. This is the same God. He changes not. Don’t mix what is unholy with what is holy, Cadosh, set apart
This is very disappointing, I don't want to be a jerk, or sound like I have all knowledge, but the Bible is the authority and I do not find provision for any of that garbage that they are giving the green light on. I just want to do what honors God, and his son Jesus Christ, and it is found in our holy scriptures.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I will be praying for these fellas, knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
Let's worry more about what God the father wants, and choose his will over our will, everyday!
Blessings in Jesus name.
Amen!
Amen!
So we got married on Halloween but had a traditional wedding! My favorite color is orange and we live in the Midwest so fall is so colorful that it worked perfectly. We had fun decorations and let kids wear costumes to the reception. We have beautiful carved pumpkin for centerpieces!
Repent
@BasicCritic so I have no reason to repent for getting married on October 31st! I'm a born again reformed theology loving Christian. My husband and I have been together 20yrs this July married for 13.5yrs and 2 great kids. We were 17 and 21 and came from broken families so again no need to repent just PRAISE! 🙏
@@BasicCritic loooooool live
@@brandiehopkins3538 October 31 is Reformation Day
@@123itisnotme that's even more proof of the truth of predestination and election! God has me and will never let me go nor condenm me because I'm in Christ.
The thing that concerns me much more than stupid bunnies and eggs or jolly old bearded men is the apparent lack of love between both sides of this argument. I know you don't treat your blood relatives this dismissively and scornfully, so how much worse is it to treat our brothers and sisters in the Lord like this? We are family in Jesus, as related as to our own blood relatives.
If you're convinced Christmas, Easter, etc. are pagan, believe that, and be ready to give a defense. If you're convinced they're in remembrance to the Lord, believe that and be ready to give a defense. But don't you DARE treat your sibling in Christ like unbelievers. Does God accuse or condemn us? Then, who are you, human, to accuse and condemn your family. Does God treat us, who've died to Christ and have been raised with Him, as unbelieving idolaters.
Before you debate this issue, prayerfully and thoughtfully answer these questions:
1) Am I understanding God's word in the context He meant it, or have I let my tradition color my view.
2) Does my response honor God, not only by demonstrating truth, but doing so in love and grace?
3) Am I trying to save someone from falling into sin, or just show how smart I am (and, by extension, how superior I am)?
Thus says the Lord through Paul:
"If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Corinthians 13:3-7 ESV"
There are ways to celebrate Easter without bunnies, chocolate and eggs.
There are Christian t-shirts, mints shaped like fish (ICHTHUS), Christian bookstores, prayer cards, Bible verse coloring books, etc.
@@barbwellman6686is that some kind of ad? To celebrate Easter is different from celebrating the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
@loveforgood7520 That depends upon your celebration of it.
In both the Orthodox and Catholic Church we observe Lent, the Triduum (3 days of Christ's creating the Church, His Passion, and Death) and on Easter Vigil Mass the Church welcomes in converts through their Baptism and first Eucharist.
So very well said! Their comments of needing a brain for those that oppose their view is insulting. I’m discerning this for myself and their high and mighty attitude turns me off! But, I will continue to research this subject.
@@barbwellman6686all idolatry.
If we cannot accidentally worship a pagan diety, is it then okay for Christians to participate in yoga? I know that Cultish or at least guests on the show have spoken out against participating in yoga, so I’m curious what the difference is?
Agree...sounds full of hypocrisy.
Well I’m not necessarily saying it’s hypocritical, just need more explanation or understanding of where their opinion lies. I want guidance honestly. When I hear explanations on why Christians shouldn’t do yoga, it’s very convincing to me but this dude makes me think it’s not a black and white issue.
Or have a Buddha statue in our house as a decoration. People could just claim that it’s just a rock a decoration, it’s not a pagan thing to me, so on and so forth.
@@meredithmarcotte7936pagan rooted holiday is pagan yoga is also pagan rooted. Yoga is yoming yourself with the demonic false gods. I've seen enough proof on how yoga is pagan and the kind of meditation that is done is also dangerous and terrible.
There is nothing wrong with Christians doing yoga or celebrating any holiday. Any pastor or Christian that tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
I listened to his episode on whether Easter is pagan and this one. I am bothered by the fact that the guest repeatedly claims it’s “okay” to … fill in the blank. He never seems to consider what God wants. It seemed to matter to Jesus. He cleansed the temple. He addressed the issue of worship to the Samaritan woman. Then the churches in Revelation are also evaluated.
I feel he is missing the heart behind the discussion.
Amen 🙏 God's celebrations are in the book of leviticus. God specially tell us not to learn the way of the heathens.
Has a real "surely you will not die" vibe.
For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
I have OCD and can understand the burden of overthinking and the fear of making a mistake. I think people like me easily fall into fundamentalism because we fear mistakes. But put this in God's Hands. Tell Him your fears and how you'd rather do 1000 unnecessary things than forget to do 1 thing.
He is gracious and loving and isn't sitting over you just looking for mistakes. He did everything to give you a chance to spend eternity with Him, He isn't going to turn against you because you made an honest mistake that isn't even mentioned in the Bible.
God tells us not to do things like tarot cards, or worshipping the creation instead of the Creator. He said nothing about how you celebrate His love for you as being anything wrong or sinful. So ask Him to cover you with the Holy Spirit and forgive you if you unknowingly do something wrong, even if your intentions were good.
Put your fear in His loving Hands and let go of it.❤❤❤
He did though. Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Jeremiah, all warn against polluting worship and God's wrath against idolatry. All of the epistles warn against idolaters not entering heaven.
God is love, but he's also justice and wrath. Heaven is pretty empty, because we've so apostacized.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. - Jeremiah 29:13
Just finished watching Dr. John Barnett's message "WATCH OUT--THE FINAL GLOBAL RELIGION OF SATAN IS FORMING ALL AROUND YOU TODAY!" It is a condensed 45 minute summary of what he taught on church history from a 14 hour seminary lecture series and takes an opposite view of what is being taught here on Cultish. In order to understand the pagan roots one must be both familiar with the historical biblical and early church references on the subject, such as Jeremiah 44 "The queen of heaven" and the Babylonian practices before the church, before Constantine and after the legalization of a paganized form of Christianity. When preparing to witness to Roman Catholic acquaintances I first came across this information, and having attended a funeral mass when one of my Roman Catholic (RCC) acquaintances passed away unexpectedly, it was eye opening to see the pagan influence in practice. Over the years I have been to many funeral services of believers and felt the victory of the cross even in death, but in the Roman Catholic funeral it was the exact opposite. I have never been to such a sad affair and my spirit felt oppressed in that place. At the memorial reception after the service, one of my other RCC acquaintances and his wife were telling me about her trip to see the apparition of the virgin Mary. They pray to her instead of Jesus, she is their intercessor. Mary is prominently depicted at the front of the RCC sanctuary above a large statutory crucifix. It was frightening to see and experience this pagan ritual and I don’t think protestants (or reformed if you prefer) church goers have any idea how bad it is in the RCC church, and some of the influences that were carried over into our own practice of the faith. There is a little more reformation left to be done!
Extremely refreshing. Thank you!
Nah… Halloween is a no no for me. Witches, demons and casting spells? I’ll pass on that.
I agree. Obviously making gory and dead and blood and witches all fun for Vulnerable children is NOT a good idea in my eyes.
The thing I noticed is no one on this episode is not even mentioning preaching the gospel at all.
@@eladioromo64 "Do you want to build strawman"😊
@@eladioromo64 you are absolutely correct sir oh, there was no mention of the Lord's holy days, this whole episode has been just too gain your tacit agreement with holidays that are obviously not biblical. The Creator of the universe has already prescribed the ways in which he would like to be worshiped, so going on about holidays or traditions of men, that are not found in the Bible is really quite unnecessary.
Let's get back to glorifying God and doing what he says...pretty simple actually.
@@joshuamelton9148 I missed the reference sir. Could you clarify that please. 🤔
The amount of fools in the comments whining about "HoLiDaYs aRe pAgAn!" is truly disheartening. Stop looking down upon your brothers and sisters because they don't embrace your pseudohistory
I sure could've used this 6 years ago when I got fooled by the Occult
Hope all is good now , but thank the Lord this will help future people in your old position today!
Love your work guys, so helpful and interesting.
Love this crossover, my two favorite Christian youtube channels.
What's the other channel?
@@benh580 inspiring philosophy
Amen
These two are always my to go to for the best apologetics
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Where's Scripture verses to back up these false teachers claims, repent you are leading people astray here in this video. Halloween is celebrating dead saints?? Get real these guys are horribly off please Lord help these lost souls
How about an episode examining the teaching of John Ramirez? He seems to reflect a dualistic view of spiritual conflict that is quite common in some segments of the church.
I doubt they will do it because Ramirez will call them out for their Bs.
Ive wondered about John Ramirez , the ex satanist right? Ive wondered if what he says is true and can we cast out demons?
@@2phreshkru really?
John Ramirez is a charlatan. What he says about the church or Satan is false. I've read the Satanic Bible and none of he says was actually stated or believed by LaVey
As an African christian I have always wondered why you guys there celebrate this Halloween thing
It’s all hallows Eve they celebrate it in Africa too. They may just do it differently though
Question....why are we trying sooooo hard to validate these holidays?
They love defending the status quo.
'Traditions' are considered 'Truth' to some.
We must always try to defend the truth and debunk nonsensical claims
Agree. This sounds so very manipulative.
Because they arebeloved traditions, not holy, but beloved and have nothing to do with Paganism. And the mindset that makes these claims is a mindset that leads to work based salvation.
Thank you!! Not in a position to help financially at the moment but I will certainly share this video. God bless you all,🙏🏽💜
While this guy has some valid points, he sounds too much like Gary Vaynerchuck to me. I’ve learned over time not to trust someone who makes claims like “there’s nothing wrong with ___”. His laissez faire attitude makes me cautious. It’s great he’s correcting false assumptions. But his logic just seems a bit off.
I literally thought the same thing. Guy is a wee bit sketchy. Just saying.
Yes... the attitude that people are silly to be concerned about these things ...
Hirelings.... tickling ears
The idea that a witch's curse is more powerful that the Holy Spirit in you is pretty blasphemous.
Couldn't disagree more with this. Sorry friends. Seems very misinformed. Just my opinion.
You don't need to justify gift giving by the plain logic of 'who cares if pagans did it in some unrelated festival'; Purim is established in the story of Esther which is set well before the 1st century anyway and the primary practice is the exchanging of gifts. Next people will say we can't do Communion because it has similarities to the Passover meal.
I wonder what Pastor #JeffDurbin would think about this guy who says Jesus would bring alcohol to a party for people to have fun?? Seriously?? Someone needs to let Pastor Jeff know about this video and test the spirits!!
I know, this guy was making a lot of questionable Statements.
Jesus'first miracle was turning water into wine. And the people at the wedding drank it. So I don't understand your statement. Can you elaborate?
When he says things like "I think" or "I studied" really is just his point of view on these subjects. And he seems to ignore the fact that there is a very REAL spiritual war going on in this world. So to just trivialize everything as if it can do no harm to someone spiritually is in my opinion not good advice.
@@E-Z-kj2ji thank you for the link :)
Brother, wine was spoken about numerous times in the NT, God didn’t ban its consumption unless its a stumbling block for you
Sorry, but the whole "Jesus would celebrate Halloween" bit was just a bit too much for me
He lost credibility with me when he went down that rabbit hole. He revealed his altered state of Alice in Wonderland reality with those ridiculous statements.
This 2 parter was so good! This stuff is something we need to know! I will look to see if he has more sources on his website that I can read through.
Fellas, this is hardly a debunking. Read, "Babylon Mystery Religion" which contains a thorough examination of the major holidays. To say Christianization of paganism practices never happened is to say the Roman Catholic Church doesn't exist. The bottom line is, The Bible calls us to observe The Lord's Supper, that's it. Adding celebrations doesn't result in added holiness.
I posted a comment that agreed with you guys on the first video and I have never in my youtube history gotten more hate responses from fellow Christians for it. So weird. Or hate responses in general and they all seemed like Christians.
Modern day Pharisees
@@Becca_Lynn Probably, one of the guys I even asked if he even watched the vid he was commenting on and he said no he did his own research no need...
Yeah the comments have been wild
They may has been Hebrew roots proponents.
No, I'm not a fundamentalist and I cannot agree with half of what this guy is doing.
I celebrate Christmas. My family dresses in family Halloween costumes together, my wife and me and 4 kids.
Easter we have a massive egg hunt in our yard.
However....this guy if full of crap. Sorry to talk that way, but his intentions are highly irritating and his points are half made or non proven or nonsense or strawman situations.
I don't think he made a good point the entire first episode other than strawmanning and he's already started this video off with another set of trash points about Christmas. He makes a half point on something almost nobody you ever met does or thinks and with the rest of it does a huge disservice to the rest of the average Christians.
His entire first video here was attacking what I can only gather is jehovas witnesses or something or amish...and discounting the actual point real Christians make.
It's not important that Easter or Halloween wasn't ANCIENT pagan....good work on researching it and all....but if it was 300 years old pagan or 1935 pagan....uhhhh...it's still pagan homeboys.
The average Christians are making a point that it's idolatry. That's the obvious point they're making. They aren't hinging any of this on proving that it's origins were thousands of years ago. Just that whenever it began it still is or can be idolatrous and pagan.
I love Easter and I am a Christ follower every day of my life. Ferocious study of Him. But don't tell us that the Easter bunny and eggs and all that are Bible based. Don't tell us that people aren't using seasons and holiday seasons as idols. You are making yourself foolish.
Again there's absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating these days in a Christian way but don't pretend that the days themselves are Christian.
Ask a random kid on trick or treat in a murderers mask from Scream if he has always come out to celebrate Christ or if it's his first time.
There's absolutely nothing nothing wrong with not celebrating certain secular or pagan holidays and the problem with this guy is that he's making a case that there is.
Why are the Jewish Holidays not ample enough for us?
Every one of the Festivals is an example of the four piece relationship between the Man, the Christ, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. All hinging on the Christ, Yeshua and the prophecies manifested in each Festival throughout the year in accordance to his Work to bring Man and Father together again, undone by the First Adam.
I'm not saying this in anger or vindictive attitude.
I'm confused as to why Christmas and "Easter" (the Catholicized form of Passover) are so celebrated, but we brush over the Festivals of Mosaic Law that exemplify Christ in every aspect that has, is, or has yet to be accomplished in this Biblical understanding...
Especially in a Protestant consideration where the objective of Protestantism was two-fold:
A) Defy and refute the false authority, rule and presumed claim of the Catholic Church being the "One True Church".
B) To return back to biblical principles, via Sola Scriptura and what it has in wisdom, reason, and theology, rather than the derivative of men presumptuously believing they are "holy men", and the Pope being the "Right hand of God on earth,"
If we are by Sola Scriptura, then reasonably, logically, theologically, we must analyze that Christmas and Easter are not biblically sound.
We can't have this whateverness about it when its question of if we're celebrating man made traditions, or Father made traditions.
The Sabbath and the Festivals were made for man, to reason to man the long awaited Messiah and the rest we will forever find in him. And now they are examples of the Messiah made manifest and His ministry unto us now, and the awaited aspects of His ministry to be fulfilled. How much more traditional, biblically sound, and honoring of the Father, than by recognizing, observing and understanding the Feast of Trumpets, the ACTUAL Sabbath (not Sunday, but Saturday as originally established in Judaic observances before the Catholics removed Jewish influence in (THEIR) Churchianity), the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Festival of Weeks (Pentecost), the Passover, the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the Festival of Tabernacles...
Saturnalia had not been cele rated for more 100 years before Jesus was born. The actual date for Christmas was set on the Julian Calendar meaning its actually on Jan 7th and not December 25th. The date of Christmas was observed in the early 3rd Century.
No, Christmas is NOT a pagam holiday. It never was nor never will be.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
The only holidays Christians should be celebrating are God's appointed feast days as described in His Word. Passover, Pentecost and feast of Tabernacles. The rest is man's traditions not the Most High's
Those were only given to the Nation of Israel. What does Passover have to do with the Ashanti people of Ghana?
It's like telling a person living in Japan and a citizen of Japan that they should celebrate the 4th of July.
@joshuamelton9148 Who do you think Israel is? Read Gal3:28/6:16. Rightly divide the Word and study to show yourself approved
@@jessesonofdaniel There is no Colossians 3:28. That was an error on your end.
@joshuamelton9148 Galatians. There's only one Gospel is my point. Like saying the commandments are only meant for certain people. The Word of God abides for ever
@@jessesonofdaniel The Chruch and Israel are not the same thing.
As I said before what does Passover have anything to do with someone who is non Israel.
When you put your trust in man and titles rather than the Holy God of scripture ( pride ) this is a good example.
How?
I have fond memories of my church hosting Halloween nights where l brought my wee children dressed as Rachel at the Well complete with large jar and Matthew the Tax Collector, his name tag said Levi and he had a large calculator in his pocket. Another year, they were Pocahontas and Daniel Boone. It was happy, clean fun. I never steared toward the macabre or witches and the like. Another year l found three different coloured Cat in the Hat hats, so all three of my kiddos, l had three kids by then were Dr Seuss characters. God always knows and judges our hearts and intentions, so celebrating Him thru various holidays brings honour and glory to Him.
You cannot drink of the cup of God and of devils. You're a good example of a false convert ( Matthew 7:13-23 & John 15:6 ).
As far as the meat sacrificed to idols, Paul was saying to eat it in ignorance would not be sin, but if you are told that the meat was sacrificed to idols, you should not eat it because it would be damaging to your testimony. So, yes, in one way, accepting candy from a witch in ignorance would not harm you at all, but if you know this person is a witch and is practicing evil on Halloween, that candy should be rejected. So, if someone is even dressed as a witch and their house is decorated in a way that is glorifying necromancy, that house should be evangelized and their candy should be rejected.
Ty. Was looking for someone in the comments to address this. But technically, the “holy-day” of Halloween nowadays is ALL about witch craft, death, occult, demons, etc. So the premise of “ignorance” is no longer a valid excuse. And worse, people are actively seeking food from others who advertise witch/demons on their front porch.
Just like watching a ritual on TV doesn’t excuse the audience…watching a ritual on TV is no different than being in the ritual room - both are giving “implied consent” through their passive observation. how could there be a line between “real” rituals and play ones? Mock rituals express the same intent as “real” ones.
Pretty sure he said you can eat meat sacrificed to idols as long you don’t have a brother with you who feel’s convicted.
@@kd7368 no where does he call people who abstain idiots. He calls people who say the holidays are pagan and make up stuff up about it idiots. You didn’t watch the vid enougj
Wonderful video. I always love hearing what Mike Jones has to say. God bless y’all
It's not necessarily a pagan holiday, I don't think that's a good argument.
Idolatry? That's debatable but it's not my fight, only God knows the heart
But if I understand Romans 6 and 7 properly.... Its not you that sins, but sin that dwells in you. Even if Holidays are idolatry, if you're doing it in faith then it's not you commiting sin, its the law of sin working in your members causing you to do sinful acts you may not even be aware you are doing or you even hate that you are doing it ( like losing your temper) but inwardly you agree with the law, that it is good. So with your flesh you serve the law of sin and in your spirit you serve God.
I know that's highly highly paraphrasing from those chapters but, if I'm getting some concepts wrong there somebody please correct me I'm trying to get a grasp on everything
Jewish custom said a prophet died on the days of his conception. Jesus died on April 3rd, so go forward 38 weeks, and that day lands on December 25th.
Can I edit a small clip for my Halloween series? By the way love your program!
Sounds like religious zeal to me. Some folks just try too hard to be outward and inwardly spiritually zealous. Halloween, Christmas, Valentine's day, Zucchini, tomatoes, tamotoes, tamales, Hanukkah, Harmonica.😂😂😂
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations- “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)-according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2:20-23
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17
Good stuff. We face these opposers often and they leave the nastiest comments in the name of “jeshua”.
The only person i will trust on talking about holidays is John Ramirez especially what he says about halloween
they are giving you sources history and truth
John Ramirez is a charlatan
What about Zac Poonen?
That part on Holloween blew my mind!
NOTHING IS PAGAN!! HAVE AT IT FOLKS!!
Acts 17:10-12. Oops!
I agree with everything but I think you were a bit hard on John Ramirez. His whole testimony is based on not being able to cast a spell on someone because God said he couldn’t touch them. And that satans power and wills was crushed by the legislation of God saying he couldn’t touch this Christian.
No lie is of the truth!!! Be not deceived!!!
2 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you."
Quote by Anton Levy, Founder of the church of satan:
"I am glad that Christian parents let their children worship the devil at least one night out of the year."
Why the NEED to be part of Halloween? We know exactly what the majority of the celebration focuses on darkness horror and devilish things.
The focus is not kids dressed as superheroes and bunnies. Sure, that is a side of it but the main theme is horror. Why the fervent desire to be part of it?
This is ridiculous, Paul also said it is sin to he whom who consumes meat sacrificed to idols believing it is sinful. He also says don't consume meat sacrificed to idols in the presence of those young in the faith as it may be a stumbling block to them. This episode has wholly discredited this program as one that doesn't even know Scripture. This already adds to a shallow understanding of occult practices.
Jesus didn’t accept gifts at his birth he was quite a bit older (toddler). No coincidence Santa and Satan have the exact same letters and we offer children to Santa who’s supposed to be omnipresent like God. It’s all on purpose my friends.
Santa is literally based off a Saint. Saint Nicholas who was pretty based. Theirs a legend about him punching an Arian (ie someone who denies the divinity of Jesus) and how he gave money to a women so she wouldnt have to resort to prostitution!
Also dog and God have the same letters! What does that mean according to your utterly insane logic? Nothing biblical that I can assure you of!
Actually it is coincidence. Santa is latin for saint. Satan is an anglicized satanos i think. Thats a really stupid argument
@@rayortiz6189Stupid arguments from stupid unsaved people...and honestly I have no more patience for them.
Amazing the mental gymnastics one has to perform...to try and Christianize something so very pagan. It amazes me. Christ claims to be Truth. There is no Truth in Christmas. Therefore...Christ cannot in any way be a part of it. People just WANT to celebrate Christmas...so they justify it, regardless of what God wants. It is like a father who tells his children to stop running through the house. (Because he knows the dangers of running and falling and getting hurt, when small children do no know). So a few days later, the father catches his children running through the house again, and says, "I thought I told you all to stop running through the house?" So the children reply, "But father...we are not running through the house, we are skipping through the house." There it is plain as day. "There is a way that seemeth right unto man, those ways are the ways of death."
Let me ask you this, what is sinful about glorifying the day Jesus was born if by doing that, glory if being given to the Son? Easter as well. What makes you think this angers God?
Leviticus 23 tells us when the Lord's Holy Days are. Be careful not to have built a golden calf and worshipping him a way that He hasn't commanded. To teach others to forsake His commandments is a dangerous place to be when you've been given a platform. Please go to scriptures for the truth and allow the Holy Spirit to minister to you on this. Also, you are adding to scriptire by calling every day the Lord's day. He is pretty pointed about what the Lord's Day is. It's very clear in His Word. I pray you repent while there is time. 😢
When talking about witches cursing candy, does the same rule apply to music?
Music of the world is a NO. It only talk’s about pride, lust, drugs, sex, drinking, and cheating. The list goes on.
Yes, they curse the master copy of any music. All the record labels have a temple up top, and have a coven of witches curse it on a full moon; they command demons to attach to every copy made.
@@Grace_and_Truth78 lol
@@harseik7354 look up a former record executive/warlock John Todd
@@Grace_and_Truth78 It's funny how people laugh at those things and have no idea that weird and crazy things like that do take place. People don't take it seriously because they've never looked into what really goes on behind the scenes of the music industry. Sad but at least you're aware of it and you're not alone.🙏✝️
Love it those demon slayer Are taking it way too far .
We need to stick to the scripture wolf's are very confident in their lies we need to apply truth .
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Michael's sigh at 15:33 says it all 🤣
Yeah except I don’t worship scholars, I worship yah. Let the Bible be the Bible. When let people with letters after their name determine scripture, we are in error. “Has thou said”? Does a tree mean a tree or a wood carving? It’s okay. Go ahead and put that tree up in your house like the pagans do which god also forbade. Yup, it said it all: I’ll let a ‘scholar’ interpret scripture for me and if that gets me to worship like the pagans, then so be it because the scholar said I can do it
"The claim Jeremiah 10 could be similar to a christmas tree is only referred to by a bunch of illiterate legalists online" meanwhile "christmas tree oh christmas tree how lovely art thou bunches" Dont forget to put the star on top ya pagans
There are people who as children grew up in churches that were very serious about worshiping God correctly - not to offend God by incorporating man’s traditions into worship that God commanded- it’s not wise to make your arguments by throwing out insults on top of facts you present… just saying 😢
Thanks for sharing though
Dollar Tree and Walmart sell packages of neon light sticks. Kids love them and it provides "light in the darkness" as they walk house to house.
8 to 10 sticks in a pack for $1
i love Christ and celebrate both Christmas and Easter. However, there is one aspect of how we celebrate that is indeed a sin. Teaching our children about Santa Claus (Satan Claus) and the Easter Bunny does 2 things. #1 it teaches children that it's okay to break God's commandments (Do not lie), so long as it's in the spirit of fun. We're teaching them that it's okay to lie. When Jesus says, "Love God with all your heart", im fairly certain that begins with following the 10 commandments. #2, it teaches children that they cannot trust reality and/or their parents. This might be fine for teaching them to not blindly trust people, but it's the parents job to teach children about God. If Santa and the Easter bunny were lies, then maybe God isn't real either. You see the problem here? Peace
32:00 correction: Halloween is not an official holiday.
So are you telling me in 2023 years Jesus has not corrected his church he just let us go home with this pagan holiday and didn't feel honored and loved or appreciated in anyway I don't believe that and neither do you
What history books are you referring too all this? See no foot notes for your claims .So I should just believe you. And what makes you an expert?
God said don't talk with the dead. HELLO!!!
Halloween isn’t about talking to the dead🤦♂️🤦♂️ all saints day and all souls say also isn’t about talking to the dead.
It’s not that complex regarding Easter, it’s the Sunday after Passover because he Jesus was crucified during the Passover week. And also a Jew.
Christmas is observance, around a old Holiday, but everyday is Gods day, and every day is a “National Day of…”
As long as we don’t put the Holiday before Christ and the REASON we are celebrating. -as part of The Culture, it’s ok, and a personal choice.
Why can’t kids go get candy in fun. Are you worshipping Candy, costumes, and the like? Christmas trees? No your not. Your fine, your good.
The SDA and their like, calls the worship of Christ on "Sun-day" as a Pagan Day of Worship. The self-righteous Pharisees didn't preach that stuff. The Priests of God were *commanded* to worship twice on Sunday, *every Sunday* in the Morning and the evening called *"the DAILY Sacrifice"* ! Exodus 29: 36-42, Numbers 28:1-8, and directly referred to in Dan.8:11, 8:12, 8:13, Daniel 12:11, Hebrews 7:27 .
*Not only is Sunday pure for worship of Christ, so is every other day of the year! Don't let the Pharisees tell you, the Pagans own ANY DAY! Christ is the author of every day of the year! 24/365 Read Genesis 2* God is the author of "all creation" and *EVERY DAY AND EVERY WEEK AND EVERY YEAR*
God has never forbidden his people to worship on Sunday and neither did Christ or the Apostles. *Moreover, Acts 2 is Pentecost Sunday* Pentecost is a sacred commanded day and Sabbath, by God Himself.
*The origin of Sunday worship comes from Heaven. The Angels have always worshiped God on Sunday as much as Saturday. Btw: Moses and the prophets, Christ and the Apostles never taught any day was Pagan. The Adventist have made a doctrine and tradition of men and fable out of the very first day God created in Gen. 2.*
If anyone is interested, in this video I completely cover the "Pagan Day" Propaganda from a scriptural point of view from the Law of Moses itself to the New Testament
. ua-cam.com/video/otTQK0JD3vA/v-deo.html
Jesus is not in control over evil. Christ in the Believer must manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Dominion is not automatic over the Kingdom of Darkness but must be engaged by Faith to experience victory. Lk 10:19; I Jn 3:8
Fellow Christian and postmill-er here. Small suggestion. Don’t do ads. That’s all.
Regarding Halloween candy, I agree, except if someone says this as sacrificed to idols, see 1 Corinthians 10:19-29. The passage seems to say that food can be dedicated to demons and to NOT eat it. If it is unknowingly, that is fine. If knowingly that's where I would not participate.
These fallacies are inevitable when you separate your church from historical Christianity.
Nope there is something wrong with dressing up as a superhero and asking for candy.
I need to drink the same koolaid their drinking 🤣
But is it okay to make fun of darkness? Like let's say I wear a spider costume and pretend to spook people like ooo aahhh scarey!!! But of course no one believes in anything scarey, BUT since the spider is associated with darkness, as opposed to an Avenger or Mrs. Incredible, is it wrong? ...a spider, an owl, a witch, a warlock, a skeleton, or a vampire- anything associated with the occult, witchcraft, or night (darkness).
What do you mean by 'fundamentalism"? Why are you throwing that term around at other believers without defining? Do you believe in a literal 7 day creation? then you are a fundamentalist!
The problem is when we confuse The Creator with His creation, not imaterial and the material-we are imaterial and material beings, we were made by God soul & body (spirit if y’all like) and there isn’t any problem with that. Love y’all. God bless you.
Soli Deo Gloria
-Ronnie
Yeahh... I can't agree with the majority of this. Especially about the Halloween debate... if we are in Christ, we are protected but those who are not, are susceptible to demonic dangers. And just because we are protected doesn't mean we should do what the world is doing. But rather, as we walk with the holy spirit, he reveals truth to us, giving us understanding of the world we live in, separating us from the world.
1 John 2:15-20 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
This guy is not sent by, nor has the spirit of truth.
Which guy?
Explain yourself
The Bible tells of what Gods holy days are….with month and moon phase. There is no appointment on Gods calendar in December. It’s pagan and it has nothing to do with God encoding himself into mankind. God is going to judge those who ignore His directives and define their own terms, which is the sole argument of this episode
No source for it being pagan and if you simply watched the video Mike does give multiple references to look into that prove this. Stop going to church on Sunday because it was named by pagans. Thats how deep your argument cuts. Please look into it.
@@harambejr5935 you want me to prove that all these non-biblical themes are not from God by showing your their sources? In stead of seeing how they contrast to scripture?! I feel bad for you, if that is what you require to dispense with heresies you will forever be learning of the profane and never dig into scripture. Is Eshtar not a figure of pagan worship? Is there not significant pagan worship during equinox? Dipping of eggs? Sexual fertility worship rituals by the same? If I show you the sources, wil you repent of celebrating Easter?
@@estimatingonediscoveringthree literally everything you just said was false my guy. Easter doesn't come from Ishtar there is no evidence to say eggs or rabbits are connected to her worship either. Boiled eggs are from after lent. Dying them started sometime with the catholics and monarchies being extra. Rabbits are just connected to spring time. Originally the Easter hare not the rabbit as well. Easter is named after Eostremoth I think it's spell. Which may be named after another pagan godess but here's the thing. Is only the English call it Easter my guy. The rest of the world calls it some variant of pasca which is just a translation for passover. It's just a rebranded passover celebration. All the "pagan holidays" you're objecting to are actually fairly modern at least most of the ideals we have of them. As well as the idea of them being pagan. When various Christian Europeans immigrated to america their cultures and traditions overlapped then big marketing companies commercialized it and separated it just enough from God to convince people who don't want to actually do the research that it has to be godless from the start. Truth is we actually know very little about pagan gods and practices. Their holidays and rituals are basically all dead. Christian monks and scholars records of them are about all we have and they clearly would contradict these pagan holiday claims. Halloween for instance. Samhain a Celtic holiday that we actually know next to nothing about extect they had feast and games in the fall. Probably animal sacrifice but no records of human sacrifice or any death connection. Samhain is also not every specifically dated. Being from anywhere in October or November maybe it's unclear. When All Saints day became a thing the Irish celebrated it in April I'm pretty sure so I'm not sure how anyone ever thought the two were connected. This is something that has been done more recently by occult fiction writers and Hollywood. The pursuit to demonize everything. You're letting the enemy take God's love from you. Sincerely just read into it more. Watch some of Michael's videos and reference the books he list. We could be wrong. I accept that. But there is absolutely no evidence to say Easter is anything but a Christianized passover to celebrate the resurrection of Christ. That Christmas is anything more than early scholars missing the mark on Jesus's birthday. That Halloween is anything more than a bleeding together of various European mostly catholic immigrants traditions around all saints day and other holidays sprung from it. The argument that Ishtar and Easter sound alike is weaker than me saying Pan Faunus is named Pan so if you use a Pan to cook you're doing pagan worship. Or saying Easter is pagan because the English translation just took the name of the month instead of calling it passover. That's like saying the forth of July is pagan because July is named for Julius Ceasar or that if you get married on a Thursday you dedicated your union to Thor. It's shakey weak argumentation that's been debunked.
@@estimatingonediscoveringthree I'll read any sources you provide but I've looked into this since I was 10 because a mix of "fundamentalist" Christianity and progressive Christianity almost ruined God for me. So know I'm going to critically look into it and the author of the source not just read something you share with me at face value. I'd expect you to do the same with the sources provided from Michael's channel. I encourage you watch. It will better articulate most of the points. If you do genuine historical research you'll end up in the same place but I could offer you forty books to go read or one UA-cam channel who will also recommend at least some of those same books.
@@harambejr5935 so you love your pagan traditions more than Your creator. You must allow God to make the terms and not you.
Most of the text you put together here is hyperbole and nonsense. The rest of it is condoning pagan worship systems
Not ok. Ive seen other videos show other info, ill look into what Gpds word says..but honestly i dont see God smiling down being ok watching His children celebrate any holidays thats are rooted from pagans where evil and only evil is done and cared on. Anton la vey i think thats how you spell his name, what he said about Christian parents letting their children celebrate halloween and how christmas started and so on. How many Biblical holidays do you celebrate every year and get so into it?
The thing that really stood out was how this guy’s responds to an opposing view on this topic. He came across condescending and all knowing. His response to those who have an opposing opinion was that they are dumb, and illiterate. Watch his body language and hear his scoffs and annoyed breaths.
Examples, minute marks:
15:38- 16:02 breaths, these people are illiterate, legalist
21:00- 44 scoffing, not using your brain, grow up, be an adult, use your brain
39:06 annoyed breaths
Also At: 30:00
Jesus is extreme, he is not Luke warm
Would JC celebrate Wiccan holidays or Hindu holidays but in a non extreme way. I’m sorry but I don’t think he would.
I like apologia. But the scripture clearly states in 2 cor 5 14 "14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For whatfellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" . We're supposed to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. No Christian should have anything to do with Halloween, and they're saying the idea of Jesus ignoring halloween is an extreme. Halloween is an extremely evil holiday, and they're telling us they have no problem with people who celebrate Halloween. Scripture says to be the light of the world not be like the world
Great video as always. It's crazy that you actually have people who believe that Memorial Day and observing 9-11 remembrance is consider pagan.
Unfortunately people who think like this actually exist.😪
I'm with you for all of this, except for Halloween. I don't think it's harmless fun for kids. If it does not glorify God, then it's not worth the effort. It's been completely taken over by adults who never grew up
What about dressing up as a demon or a witch? I don't see why it's worth entertaining any of it.
You were created to give glory to Jesus Christ. Celebrate what you want. We have the ability for making choices, but just know anything/anyone else given praise and worshipped won't look good on you come judgment.
Get back to BIBLE, show me these dates and times in the scriptures without adding man's twists. If it aint in there then you should know where and what you're doing... insulting our creator.
Do you have any episodes where you talk about Masons ? I have a Mason client and I always feel a heaviness when I enter Their home . Didn’t know he was a Mason until I saw the “ Bible” and now on her things . Yuck
Debate Jonathan Chan 😂 I’d love to see that he’d destroy your theology and he’s a Judeo Christian Rabbi!
Syncretism.
Jesus made trees, eggs, and bunnies, soooo, I think we’re good lol.
I can’t even listen to his dribble
Pat Robertson of fundamentalists??? Okay this is the only thing I might not agree with you on and it really shows a certain bias
The Christmas tree is a pagan symbol. Holly is a pagan symbol.
Stop trying to wave a magic “Jesus wand” and make everything “Christian “
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ sources for this extraordinary claim?
I find it interesting how presentism effects people. Sense Britain ruled the world during the colonial era that means they always were the most important power in the world. Britain was an backwater island for much of its history. If it had been a powerful kingdom king Henry would have been granted his devotee.
Ridiculous comment 😂
Why else should the church change its holidays to accommodate Celtic converts?
@@mavrickglo Your further comment makes even less sense than your first 😄
@@TheB1nary all saints changed from being celebrated in the spring to October 31, the anti holiday crowd claim this is because of Samhain, so the whole of Christendom change their holiday to accommodate one small group of pagans. My point is this argument only makes sense if you believe the British isles were always the supper power they were at the highest point of colonialism.