There is no native 4K, or pixel-shifting 4K projector at this price-point that can compete with the Epson 5050ub's deep blacks, 3-chip HDR-10 color, and lumen output. The 5050ub also has the best placement flexibility at its price-point, and an all-glass 15-element Japanese lens assembly with precise mechanical zoom, focus, and lens-shift. Overall this projector cannot be bested at its price-point.
@@jimcameron1234 - The Sony VPL-VW270ES is a great projector but it doesn't have enough lumen output (1500-lumens) to deliver true HDR. The Epson 5050ub has great HDR-10 capability with 2600-lumens for much higher nit-peaks, and is $2000 less (list price). True HDR is much more important than true 4K vs e-Shift 4K.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 true bright HDR at least 4000 Lumen so only VW5000 can deliver that + 2600 Lumen on paper after calibration around 1600 Lumen for Epson
EVERYONE entering into home theatre/Projection for the first time has exactly this same experience you are having now............ 1. What type & what quality projector can i afford? 2. What screen will fit in my room? 3. An extra long 4K ready HDMI lead costs How Much! are you freakin joking. 4. All this HDMI/Speaker & power cabling is bloody mess and needs hiding better. 5. Fiddle with the settings for months then Darken the room as much as possible. It was the same for me to.
Stereoscopic 3D is far better than VR. VR is seriously stupid. I miss good ol' 3D films. Just wish Epson went for passive instead of active shutter glasses.
Color is probably more important then resolution at most times. Color u notice instantly and always. Some true 4k projectors can't get the color this one outpus
The fan and heat that you talk about wouldn’t be s problem IF it’s properly mounted on a ceiling. That room is just not for that projector . You would be better off with a large OLED. That projector is for a true HT. I just don’t see how you can give a proper review in such a small space.
That’s fair but it works in my room just fine. I think I have a unique perspective based on a typical room size that many people might have. The colors and picture quality doesnt change much just because it’s a smaller room, it’s still a fair review.
Films At Home I will have really disagree on the point of the picture not being different because of the room size. The larger the room and screen size the more light affects the color and brightness. You have light reflection off walls ceiling and the screen in a larger room. Which almost all people have in a home theater. Not a little space as you have. I am not trying to criticize you, but to give a accurate review the projector should be in a room size that reflects more of the norm. I still believe you would have a better experience with a large flat panel TV for the size and distance of your space.
JR62InHomeTheater I would agree. But Epson asked me to try it in this room and so I gave it a go. It’s a different perspective than many people might have so I think that’s what’s interesting.
You'd have needed a fixed frame against the wall to fill the screen. As for another projector, I'm not aware of any other make/model that would have given you the lens shifting, brightness & contrast that would have filled the screen at your throw distance. The limiting factor was the room itself and ideally a fixed frame would have been the better way to go in your case. As for pixel shifting vs true 4K, contrast and brightness will always trump resolution. A "true 4K" (1080p x 4 pixel shifter) that's smaller and cheaper would mean DLP, but with an inferior black floor, inferior contrast, inferior placement flexibility and a possible rainbow effect. A native 4K projector, like the latest JVC or Sony models, means 2 or 3 times the price for a better black floor and full 4K resolution, but with less placement flexibility and less brightness and lamps that cost significantly more to replace. Despite the limitations of your room, the 5050UB would have ultimately still been the best projector for you, providing the best balance of the good, the bad and the ugly.
You know even coming from a tcl Dolby vision tv this projector is not half bad. I can see the HDR 10 wonderfully especially in bright scenes. Gonna likely use a CinemaScope screen in my small theater. I don’t want to spend $10,000 just for the speaker system. Just affordable speakers 🔊 behind the screen. Can’t do that with a tv unless you go all in on Samsung. And the aspect ratio is what movies 🍿 are all about. That CinemaScope baby.
What I have read is the Epsom gives very good value for money. Yes 4k Sony JVC etc are true 4k but you pay a lot more for it too. Basic Sony 4k in the UK where I am is £5000 much more than the Epsom. Thanks for the video.
I guess the only solution with the extra white screen on the sides is to reinstall the screen and push it back as far as it can go. I had a similar issue with my screen, mine is a 120". It had like an inch of screen on each side but because my screen and projector was as far back as it can go, I had to use black duck tape on both sides of the screen to mask it. I believe they have special black tape for screens but the duck tape worked fine for me :P. I have an Epson EH-TW8000. Love it!!
I've read many reviews on true 4K vs pixel shift most people can't tell the difference only some one with a trained eye a AV enthusiast can and even for them it's hard to tell ,You have a nice unit there enjoy it and forget the true 4K it's not worth the extra expense .I went to Rayleigh hi-fi here in the uk I looked at both couldn't tell that's the truth .
I'm still giddy with my Sony HW45ES and 110" screen. I am in a dedicated room. If you're a gamer, you really can only go with Sonys, from everything I've read.
Hi Jeff quick question? How do you sort your move collection I have about 250+ titles TV Blu-ray’s 4K Blu-ray’s and video games. Just looking to get some help sorting the movies and tv
You should get a cinascope screen since your projector has lens memory. When you watch 16 by 9 content you could just put black masking bars on The sides of the screen. ua-cam.com/video/8WCk1PqZ4HQ/v-deo.html
great review and congrats on 10,000 i dont own a projector i own a 4k tv and love it but i still love watching videos on home theater rooms and equipment so i know that Epson just came out with another 4k eshift projector its the 6050 so i wonder if its any better in terms of pic quality
Yeah I find that a little strange as well. Mind you I watch my 4k's on the epson 6040ub so I also use the fake 4k (which looks great, but lets not pretend it's the full thing).
Picture quality is great no doubt when it works, but Epson projectors are garbage now. Would recommend a JVC or Sony. Bought an Epson projector (5040UB) in March 2018, exactly 3 years later I’m on my 5th Epson projector (under warranty). I was upgraded to a 5050UB due to all the failures from the 5040UB. The 5050UB is no different. I’m sure this 5th one will die out on me in a few month. Will buy a JVC then. The older Epson used to be reliable. Not these eshift 4K BS.
Hi I have just bought Epson 9400(6050) in India. Its awesome. But Im unable to get the 3d function to work. The option is greyed out and it says "this button cannot be used at present" Im using 4k certified hdmi stuctured cable and denon 4400h AVR passthrough. I have tried various settings on denon However on Connecting the firestick directly to the epson lets me use the 3d option Someone Kindly help
Jason, you have to understand that the best thing about Epson is that colors have the same brightness as the projector's whitest white. That's the most realistic thing about 3 chip technology. Not even OLED can give colors the same brightness as its white color.
Dude, your channel is growing, and I know you've had your intro logo for AGES, but my suggestion is to lose it. You probably spent a lot of time and work and maybe money getting it made but it just wastes 10 seconds of everybody's time.
@@JeffRauseo DLP projectors will never have a black level, as an LCD projector. It may look good to you, that is all it matters, but there is a reason they are called UB(ultra black). Which Benq do you have, by the way?
Dude I can't believe you didn't measure the throw distance from projector to screen before mounting the screen. That is something you do before even purchasing your screen. If you're unsure if the screen might be too big, shine the image on the wall, measure max size, then purchase only when you are 100%. Some people purchase a very cheap and nasty pull down screen for doing a trial run before buying an expensive motorised Stewart or Elite screen. Its always better to go slightly smaller when you're thinking of going as big as you can go. Newbies always want the biggest screen they can have first time out, its not so bad going slightly smaller. If you want to fill your screen there is a way by adding a lens over your current lens. It doesn't have to cost much if you do a D.I.Y option. Look up a guy on UA-cam who has a projector lens tutorial his name escapes me Home Theatre Guy channel or something he will show you how to make your projector think its moved back without actually physically moving it back and thereby solving your size issue.
This projector is not even a "true" faux 4k :). It only shifts an additional 1080p image creating around of 4 mil pixels. I'd say a 1440p. On larges screens it lacks the sharpness other pjs are offering. I'm surprise with the price point of this series, especially for the 6050 which i consider as overpriced. You can go with the jvc x7900 for a bit more money.
Jeah . A bit more money. You are a funny guy, eh? The Epson may not have true 4k, but did you see it in action? The colors, brightness and black levels are great and what you notice first is these parameters. Resolution isn't everything
Everybody has a "better projector" advice but again people for the the epson 5050ub or 6050 for its price honestly cant be beat. The jvc x7900 is discontinued and when it was viable it sold for close to 4 grand and still didnt have a good as blacks. Lol! I just dont understand all these "the (fill in the blank) for way more money is a better projector!! No shit sherlock! Lol . That's what usually happens if you spend more money you sometimes get better quality! Duh!! The epson 5050ub that sells for 2700 dollars as of now cant be beat for what you get. You get a very good projector that has an excellent picture and let's not forget that when you need a new lamp or bulb it wont break the bank! The lamp replacement for the jvc you speak of cost almost 3 times as much as the epson.
You might want to look up the numerous resolution analysis of “faux-k”. I’ll give you a hint: raw resolution is pretty much a non factor for 4K, with the actual biggest perceived differences coming from other aspects, specifically color reproduction, lens assembly, contrast ability, and HDR implementation.
Ohhh, ofc that I knew what I was talking about. I had the Epson PJ at home, for two weeks. At that time its cost was £2650 while I paid £2900 for a brand new Sony 360es, 2 months earlier. I tested them both, and i can safely say that the Sony destroyed the Epson in terms of sharpness on my 126" DE abyss screen. I forgot to mention that im mostly into gaming. Heck, even the upscaled 1080p from nvidia shield looked better. Even the enhancements from the Marseille cable, gaming edition looked better. Yes, there are zillions of factors in play, which make sense and recommend Epson as a good deal. But stop BSing me, that 8 mil real pixels vs half faux 4k, does not matter on a 130" screen.
The 5050UB is just as good as a true 4k projector, and even better than many. It is a beast.
There is no native 4K, or pixel-shifting 4K projector at this price-point that can compete with the Epson 5050ub's deep blacks, 3-chip HDR-10 color, and lumen output. The 5050ub also has the best placement flexibility at its price-point, and an all-glass 15-element Japanese lens assembly with precise mechanical zoom, focus, and lens-shift. Overall this projector cannot be bested at its price-point.
Hammer at this price range no but for only 1300$ more Jeff could have Sony VPL-VW270ES 4K
Hammer VW270 without glass elements but real 4K panel unlike Epson
I own VW1000 since 2012 still very happy with it + 2x JVC X7000 for 3D (DOLBY 3D/INFITEC) double stack projection
@@jimcameron1234 - The Sony VPL-VW270ES is a great projector but it doesn't have enough lumen output (1500-lumens) to deliver true HDR. The Epson 5050ub has great HDR-10 capability with 2600-lumens for much higher nit-peaks, and is $2000 less (list price). True HDR is much more important than true 4K vs e-Shift 4K.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 true bright HDR at least 4000 Lumen so only VW5000 can deliver that + 2600 Lumen on paper after calibration around 1600 Lumen for Epson
EVERYONE entering into home theatre/Projection for the first time has exactly this same experience you are having now............
1. What type & what quality projector can i afford?
2. What screen will fit in my room?
3. An extra long 4K ready HDMI lead costs How Much! are you freakin joking.
4. All this HDMI/Speaker & power cabling is bloody mess and needs hiding better.
5. Fiddle with the settings for months then Darken the room as much as possible.
It was the same for me to.
Oh hi me.
Thanks for the review. This is one of the few 4K projectors with 3D capability, and I love Blu-Ray 3D, so this may be my next one.
I love 3D as well did you end up getting it?
Stereoscopic 3D is far better than VR. VR is seriously stupid. I miss good ol' 3D films. Just wish Epson went for passive instead of active shutter glasses.
I have the Epson 5030ub, which I love, but this will be the next projector I get. :)
Color is probably more important then resolution at most times. Color u notice instantly and always. Some true 4k projectors can't get the color this one outpus
Color accuracy and contrast ratio is undoubtedly the most important aspect of a great image.
The fan and heat that you talk about wouldn’t be s problem IF it’s properly mounted on a ceiling. That room is just not for that projector . You would be better off with a large OLED. That projector is for a true HT. I just don’t see how you can give a proper review in such a small space.
That’s fair but it works in my room just fine. I think I have a unique perspective based on a typical room size that many people might have. The colors and picture quality doesnt change much just because it’s a smaller room, it’s still a fair review.
Films At Home I will have really disagree on the point of the picture not being different because of the room size. The larger the room and screen size the more light affects the color and brightness. You have light reflection off walls ceiling and the screen in a larger room. Which almost all people have in a home theater. Not a little space as you have. I am not trying to criticize you, but to give a accurate review the projector should be in a room size that reflects more of the norm. I still believe you would have a better experience with a large flat panel TV for the size and distance of your space.
JR62InHomeTheater I would agree. But Epson asked me to try it in this room and so I gave it a go. It’s a different perspective than many people might have so I think that’s what’s interesting.
You never mention how far your lens is from your screen? That would have answered a ton of questions my wife & I are having. Thx
You'd have needed a fixed frame against the wall to fill the screen. As for another projector, I'm not aware of any other make/model that would have given you the lens shifting, brightness & contrast that would have filled the screen at your throw distance. The limiting factor was the room itself and ideally a fixed frame would have been the better way to go in your case.
As for pixel shifting vs true 4K, contrast and brightness will always trump resolution. A "true 4K" (1080p x 4 pixel shifter) that's smaller and cheaper would mean DLP, but with an inferior black floor, inferior contrast, inferior placement flexibility and a possible rainbow effect. A native 4K projector, like the latest JVC or Sony models, means 2 or 3 times the price for a better black floor and full 4K resolution, but with less placement flexibility and less brightness and lamps that cost significantly more to replace.
Despite the limitations of your room, the 5050UB would have ultimately still been the best projector for you, providing the best balance of the good, the bad and the ugly.
Good review. I will keep my Epson 5040Ub I love it. Not worth the upgrade for me at this time.
My first epson 5050ub I got lens shift was defective but had it replaced and it works all beautifully now
I'm loving it and how bright it is even with light coming in from outside
Is it loud?
I wouldn't know I have a 7.1 surround sound so I wouldn't really notice if it was
You know even coming from a tcl Dolby vision tv this projector is not half bad. I can see the HDR 10 wonderfully especially in bright scenes. Gonna likely use a CinemaScope screen in my small theater. I don’t want to spend $10,000 just for the speaker system. Just affordable speakers 🔊 behind the screen. Can’t do that with a tv unless you go all in on Samsung. And the aspect ratio is what movies 🍿 are all about. That CinemaScope baby.
What I have read is the Epsom gives very good value for money. Yes 4k Sony JVC etc are true 4k but you pay a lot more for it too. Basic Sony 4k in the UK where I am is £5000 much more than the Epsom. Thanks for the video.
I guess the only solution with the extra white screen on the sides is to reinstall the screen and push it back as far as it can go. I had a similar issue with my screen, mine is a 120". It had like an inch of screen on each side but because my screen and projector was as far back as it can go, I had to use black duck tape on both sides of the screen to mask it. I believe they have special black tape for screens but the duck tape worked fine for me :P. I have an Epson EH-TW8000. Love it!!
I've read many reviews on true 4K vs pixel shift most people can't tell the difference only some one with a trained eye a AV enthusiast can and even for them it's hard to tell ,You have a nice unit there enjoy it and forget the true 4K it's not worth the extra expense .I went to Rayleigh hi-fi here in the uk I looked at both couldn't tell that's the truth .
So the 4010 the same thing or no?
What native 4k projectors are you talking about in this price range? As far as I know, there are no native 4k projectors in this price range.
I'm still giddy with my Sony HW45ES and 110" screen. I am in a dedicated room. If you're a gamer, you really can only go with Sonys, from everything I've read.
What distance is projector from the creen?
Throw distance. Check before you buy.
Buddy can you send me you settings you ended up with on the UB5050. I went out and got the same one.
There are projector screen calculators out there.
Hi Jeff quick question? How do you sort your move collection I have about 250+ titles TV Blu-ray’s 4K Blu-ray’s and video games. Just looking to get some help sorting the movies and tv
I can pm you with some pictures of what I have in my collection
It would help to tell us how far from the screen you are ?
For an Aspect Ratio nerd on a budget like me all I gotta say is Lens memory.. Drops mike.. Done.
How do I get it to connect to wifi?
You should get a cinascope screen since your projector has lens memory. When you watch 16 by 9 content you could just put black masking bars on The sides of the screen. ua-cam.com/video/8WCk1PqZ4HQ/v-deo.html
great review and congrats on 10,000 i dont own a projector i own a 4k tv and love it but i still love watching videos on home theater rooms and equipment so i know that Epson just came out with another 4k eshift projector its the 6050 so i wonder if its any better in terms of pic quality
So... when you say "this 4K disc is not a big upgrade over the Blu Ray" you judge that by a fake 4K upscale? o.O
Yeah I find that a little strange as well. Mind you I watch my 4k's on the epson 6040ub so I also use the fake 4k (which looks great, but lets not pretend it's the full thing).
No - I watch it on my 4K TV as well. I use both
Awesome review!!!
Thanks!!
Picture quality is great no doubt when it works, but Epson projectors are garbage now. Would recommend a JVC or Sony. Bought an Epson projector (5040UB) in March 2018, exactly 3 years later I’m on my 5th Epson projector (under warranty). I was upgraded to a 5050UB due to all the failures from the 5040UB. The 5050UB is no different. I’m sure this 5th one will die out on me in a few month. Will buy a JVC then. The older Epson used to be reliable. Not these eshift 4K BS.
HaHa, see I told you you wouldn't have enough throw room.
Hi
I have just bought Epson 9400(6050) in India. Its awesome.
But Im unable to get the 3d function to work.
The option is greyed out and it says "this button cannot be used at present"
Im using 4k certified hdmi stuctured cable and denon 4400h AVR passthrough. I have tried various settings on denon
However on Connecting the firestick directly to the epson lets me use the 3d option
Someone Kindly help
You have to put in a 3D Disk or 3D content first.
@@kangjames2492
Thanks, I figured it out later
Actually we have to shift the projector resolution from 4k to Hd to get 3D.
@@drsudhirsood2604 There is no 3D 4K content. That's why it's called Full HD stereoscopic 3D. Full HD stands for 1080p.
Is the 6050 a true 4K?
Sami Debs no it’s a 4K pixel shift.
Films At Home thank you.
Could've gotten a laser short throw 4K projector for that price.
With far worse contrast
Jason, you have to understand that the best thing about Epson is that colors have the same brightness as the projector's whitest white.
That's the most realistic thing about 3 chip technology. Not even OLED can give colors the same brightness as its white color.
Dude, your channel is growing, and I know you've had your intro logo for AGES, but my suggestion is to lose it. You probably spent a lot of time and work and maybe money getting it made but it just wastes 10 seconds of everybody's time.
eyeangle gotta keep it!
Definitely keep it.
Those "cheaper" 4k projectors(Benq) don't have proper blacks.
My BenQ has been great on black levels.
@@JeffRauseo DLP projectors will never have a black level, as an LCD projector. It may look good to you, that is all it matters, but there is a reason they are called UB(ultra black). Which Benq do you have, by the way?
Or proper color. Or proper contrast. Or proper motion. Epson is Japanese science at its very best. The Epson lens are mesmerizing.
Dude I can't believe you didn't measure the throw distance from projector to screen before mounting the screen. That is something you do before even purchasing your screen. If you're unsure if the screen might be too big, shine the image on the wall, measure max size, then purchase only when you are 100%. Some people purchase a very cheap and nasty pull down screen for doing a trial run before buying an expensive motorised Stewart or Elite screen. Its always better to go slightly smaller when you're thinking of going as big as you can go. Newbies always want the biggest screen they can have first time out, its not so bad going slightly smaller.
If you want to fill your screen there is a way by adding a lens over your current lens. It doesn't have to cost much if you do a D.I.Y option. Look up a guy on UA-cam who has a projector lens tutorial his name escapes me Home Theatre Guy channel or something he will show you how to make your projector think its moved back without actually physically moving it back and thereby solving your size issue.
This projector is not even a "true" faux 4k :). It only shifts an additional 1080p image creating around of 4 mil pixels. I'd say a 1440p. On larges screens it lacks the sharpness other pjs are offering. I'm surprise with the price point of this series, especially for the 6050 which i consider as overpriced. You can go with the jvc x7900 for a bit more money.
Jeah . A bit more money. You are a funny guy, eh? The Epson may not have true 4k, but did you see it in action? The colors, brightness and black levels are great and what you notice first is these parameters. Resolution isn't everything
Everybody has a "better projector" advice but again people for the the epson 5050ub or 6050 for its price honestly cant be beat. The jvc x7900 is discontinued and when it was viable it sold for close to 4 grand and still didnt have a good as blacks. Lol! I just dont understand all these "the (fill in the blank) for way more money is a better projector!! No shit sherlock! Lol . That's what usually happens if you spend more money you sometimes get better quality! Duh!! The epson 5050ub that sells for 2700 dollars as of now cant be beat for what you get. You get a very good projector that has an excellent picture and let's not forget that when you need a new lamp or bulb it wont break the bank! The lamp replacement for the jvc you speak of cost almost 3 times as much as the epson.
You might want to look up the numerous resolution analysis of “faux-k”. I’ll give you a hint: raw resolution is pretty much a non factor for 4K, with the actual biggest perceived differences coming from other aspects, specifically color reproduction, lens assembly, contrast ability, and HDR implementation.
Yes, it is, you are dead wrong.
Ohhh, ofc that I knew what I was talking about. I had the Epson PJ at home, for two weeks. At that time its cost was £2650 while I paid £2900 for a brand new Sony 360es, 2 months earlier. I tested them both, and i can safely say that the Sony destroyed the Epson in terms of sharpness on my 126" DE abyss screen. I forgot to mention that im mostly into gaming. Heck, even the upscaled 1080p from nvidia shield looked better. Even the enhancements from the Marseille cable, gaming edition looked better. Yes, there are zillions of factors in play, which make sense and recommend Epson as a good deal. But stop BSing me, that 8 mil real pixels vs half faux 4k, does not matter on a 130" screen.