How NES Games Are STILL Made in 40KB
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2024
- The Nintendo Entertainment System (released as the Family Computer in Japan) is the world's most iconic home game console. With a Ricoh 2A03 CPU based on the popular MOS 6502, it had 2KB of RAM, 2KB of VRAM, and with the built in Picture Processing Unit and Audio Processing Unit, was used to run some of the world's most popular games ever released.
Although early NES games were design for 40KB cartriges (32KB of PRG ROM and 8KB of CHR ROM), later advancements led to larger chips being used, and more game content being added, but the system itself remained the same. In order to bridge this gap, Mapper Chips were developed to allow the system access to certain parts of the PRG or CHR ROM sections.
I've created a new NES title to show how programming an NES game from scratch can be accomplished. No Internet for the NES is available now: notin.tokyo/nointernet
Development help:
www.nesdev.org/wiki/Nesdev_Wiki
Further reading:
www.copetti.org/writings/cons... - Ігри
I've never seen a more thorough technical explanation of the NES in such a short time
Came here to say that as well. It sounds like it will be a quick gloss over, but then covers the important conceptual details of how subtle things like split-screen scrolling work. Well-done.
The game boy color has one of my all time favorite visual styles for a retro console. Games like Mina the Hollower demonstrate how great it looks, it’s so appealing! Excited for that episode.
I got into coding super tiny games a few years ago. I've made scaled-down Mario & Zelda games in about 1KB, working on some ideas for Metroid.
That's sounds way cool, do you have any stuff I can check out?
@@InkboxSoftwareI have an Itch page w/ some of my games (Jadelombax is my username there), tried to post a link, but UA-cam keeps deleting my responses.
1kb? what platform are they made for?
@@themadmallard Been using Pico-8 due to its ease of use and short syntax. It's not assembly, but things can still get crazy cryptic when you're optimizing bytes.
You can imagine that game in your brain and play it.
The end really caught me off guard. It was such a scott the woz ending.
*3D Dot Game Heroes
@@itskdog Yeah, I know, but I feel like that song is most commonly associated with scott the woz.
@@itskdogwow I had no idea it was from that game. Thanks!
A Scott vid was recommended after this lol
The way the Famicom/NES handles data will never fail to amaze me
I love your NES videos, but as I actually have a bit of experience programming on the DMG, I'm looking forward even more to your future projects!
My guess is black magic or programming if there's a difference between the two 😂
a great programmers code is like a master close up magicians act: nothing flashy under the surface, super efficient and seamless.
The average programmers code is like a magician you hired last minute for your kids birthday party: it kind of works sometimes but is otherwise a total mess of copied tricks and a pigeon in a hat, and the pigeon is dead and useless but they kept it in the act anyway.
"Is this too much voodoo?"
As a programmer and self-proclaimed sourcerer, no; there isn't a difference.
@@error.delete4945 I will not remove the KillPidgeon() method from my code, no matter who the IRS sends!
Simply speak the binary incantations and technomagic will occur. You use hex for hexes, of course.
Assembly is just amazing really on how small its code can be when it's compiled
6502 in particular is tiny. Most modern cpus use 4 bytes per instruction at all times but we have much more room now so it hardly matters. NES code size is mostly negligible when it comes to file size. It's the data tables that hog the most cartridge space
Assembly isn’t compiled. It’s assembled.
Shouldn’t be C with modern compilers as efficient as writing assembly?
@@rethardotv5874If you cut out bigger libraries (or go without a standard), and remove the elf file cushions, you can get C down to assembly sized programs. A guy made a QR-based snake game a little while back and was finding his assembly program was larger than his trimmed down C.
edit: I should probably note, this is likely due to the optimization for a very common architecture, x86. I'm not sure how efficient one for say the 6502, PowerPC, or Risc-v would be...
The amount of effort you put into each programming project is truly inspiring. Keep up the great work!
The NES will always be my favorite console.
It helped save the video game industry!
We need more of these!! :D thank you for your explanations!
Scott the Woz outro whatt
This is one of the best summarized explanations on how to build an nes game from scratch that I’ve seen! Thanks for the great video. 👍
can't wait to see what you do on the gameboy. Love your videos!
Your audio is SOO good - keep it up! Love the dry mic sound tbh.
What a wonderful explanation, sure with i had this video when i started years ago. Great work!!!
That was a brilliant explanation and a fun game as a result. Great work.
Love your videos dude, can’t wait to see you unpack the gameboy color. Also Scott The Woz jump scare
Amazingly well explained.
Sidenote: Image data is NOT loaded into vram, PPU reads image data directly from chr rom, that's why image data is stored in a separate chip from program itself
But vram stores the pallet and table name information doesn't it
@@ricarleite yes, but that's something else
@@Adiee5Priv I mean he didn't claim vram stores a bitmap representation of the screen
@@ricarleite ah, yes, i was reffering to a one scene, where it was visualised that way, but it seems like i didn't include the timestamp
Can't wait to see what game you make on the GBC. Its a personal favorite of mine to code on as well. And with how awesome GB studio is its now more accessible than ever to work with. And in case you're wondering my GBC game is called Eternal Memory.
It's a shame their visual programming interface is awful though. Makes doing anything reasonably complex a nightmare without learning the actual scripting language.
@@Bobbias I don't think its that bad honestly plus it's actually really competent at making more complex games. I've managed to create a pseudo real time reflection using just the stock visual scripting.
That was amazing. I didn’t understand a lot but was still mesmerized!
Amazing video as always thanks for your work.
I have been programming games for over 10 years now, C#, gdscript and back in the days of the NES I programmend in BASIC using an MSX....but I'm nobody! You are my hero!🤪
Later games used "bank switching" to fit more code/data than the NES's 64k address space would typically allow
This is amazing... As some how now works closely with cpu hardware and firmware learning about the limitation that we went through is fascinating... And i see how some of the stuff/limitations from 90 is till there in mordern cpu... We just find more ways to go around them
Nice work! Thanks for the cool video!
Yooooo I love your channel!!!
I would love to see the gbc videos, good luck!
Incredible😮 i learned a lot in this video❤❤❤
went from a random recommended video to wanting to get one of those romhack carts from back in the day you could load games onto
ive been making a 32kb game for pico-8 and now i appreciate the wizardry that is needed to truly craft something playable within the limitations
Nice vid !
Well explained !
What an epic video!
The good thing about the GBC is that you can actually use cool things, like C instead of Assembly. I did the iconic DVD bouncing logo and made it run into original hardware (GBC and GBA)
You can use C for the NES, too, I just prefer assembly
Loved playing the game boy color as a kid!
Nice video ❤
really helpful
Your my inspiration to become a better programmer
Congratulations!
beautiful svg art in the video.
Scott the Woz outro?! (Breakout?)
loved it!
If you were using C, it'd be awesome to have a C23 compliant compiler to handle resource embedding. Towards that end, the oscar64 project intrigues me. It's intended for the C64, but it shouldn't be too difficult to modify it for other 6502 based systems.
time for a cool video
great video
I learned something today!
Am I on time?! I'm enjoying it already
I wasn't going to comment, just a really solid video.
Then the Scott the Woz ending whiplash hit
Really cool!
Very cool!
Clicked as soon as i saw the notification 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 ur videos are always the best!
Hint they didn't do it with only 32k rom and ppu rom
Kirby on nes was around a 1megabyte cartridge
It's so cool that Nintendo invented golf.
Yay! Waiting for GBA videos!
You'd be surprised by how much you can do if you have a couple of kilobytes of storage space, if you just didn't have any of the bloat of modern software
1:40 that’s the music from Goal 2, one of the best soccer games of all time. I’d recognize it anywhere.
I totally understood everything.
You inspired me to try to make a version of Minecraft for NES.
Super mario bros was made in assembly and most of the prg rom isnt full because compiled assembly code isnt that big and they moved the compiled assembly to the rom and they made sure it didnt go to the blank prg area so that is how super mario bros was made in 40k (a lot of the rom is 0s)
Thank you for reading.
Can't wait to watch the episode where you program a 3D Mario for the GameCube in 10 years.
Yes internet!
Now I'm really interested in the difference between NES and GBC. Especially black cartridge games look quite similar to NES games, apart from the resolution.
Explain to us how Final Fantasy on the NES was made in only 40 KB please
Inkbox forgot to mention memory mappers. I'm dumb, so please accept this attempt: 40KB is the "working memory" of the NES. Final Fantasy had something like 256KB of data. Games could hold more data, as long as they had a mechanism to control what part of data the NES could see (called something like a "memory mapper chip".) The NES can only see 40KB at once, but the game decides what 40KB its seeing. It's like having some books open on your desk -- When your desk is full, you can put away one book to make room for another. For instance, the overworld might be handled by one "book" with instructions to handle camera movement and entering caves/towns. Going from the overworld into a battle, it could put away "the overworld book" to open "the battle book" with instructions to process battles and display monsters.
@@mathchessdnd Towards the end of the video he did mention this.
seems like the audio was fit into 40 kilobytes too😂😂
It's always a good day when Inkbox uploads!
I’d like to see this guy cover sega master system homebrew
What a great idea for a homebrew NES game! It would have been cool if a game like this had been built into the NES so we could have played something even without a cartridge inserted. I wonder how feasible it would be for someone to hack that feature into an NES...
Real original ending music.
Szanuję! 😎
You are one of the best programmers I have ever seen, though I don't understand much😅
would you be willing to do a video with an in depth explanation of mappers? I've been digging around on nes games that are over 40kb, but I'm having trouble grasping the concept
I've mentioned mappers in this video here: ua-cam.com/video/Lf1jer8y6Pc/v-deo.html
Basically a mapper facilitates bank switching, where a section of memory can be switched out for another portion of memory from the cartridge.
A few swag genesis games utilize alternating color palettes as a way to save space as frames of a sprite are stored in individual colors of the sprites, with the limitations of the nes having it so sprites can only alternate 3 colors, this can allow only 2-3 sprites created by alternate color palettes but nonetheless could this be utilized so background sprites can be “animated” if you can change the colors of the palettes?
what about the Minecraft? since you are moving on from NES, and that Minecraft is on NES, what's gonna be with that?
Pls can you review the megaman 2 ,3 and ducktales architecture ?
No mentioning why 40KB games are still made by homebrewers,except at how nes games are made along with some history behind it,mmmm.
Very interesting but also too complicated for me, love it though
I had very little understanding of anything in this video but enjoyed it all the same
eyyyy
I love this topic
SCOOT THE WOZ OUTRO MUSIC?
3:56 I wouldn't be surprised if they were morse code lol
Restrictions birth creativity
While it's true developers always prefer to have more resources available I think deliberetly limiting oneself on the amount of resources one can use is a virtue.
We live in a world where 16GB of ram 8gb of vram 4core+ 3ghz CPU's is becoming the norm, yet the state of AAA gaming is worse then ever. yet the best new releases out there are the AA and Indy games that still run fine on 10+ year old systems.
Scott the Woz?! Is that you at the end?!
Before the libraries of 50k lines of code that put a dialogue screen up.
nice
Fun fact you know what is also 40 KB? the maximum allowed size for metadata for images. Hmm makes you think...
What about a game like Shadowgate? How did they fit that?
When I saw the no internet screen I was certain it was a segue to a vpn commercial
golf on mars has been demaked on the NES? 😲
That sine jump idea makes so much since now. I used to wonder how jumps looked the way they do, I'm gonna figure out which takes less time to process for most hardware.
It would be more physically accurate for the jump to follow a parabolic path rather than a sinusoidal one, and that’s actually not terribly hard to do on a computer, especially for a character’s physics.
Just track the character’s vertical velocity, use the velocity to move the character vertically by adding it to the current vertical position every frame, and subtract a constant amount from the velocity every frame to simulate acceleration due to gravity. This last part is what makes the character slow down on the way up and speed up on the way down.
are you still working on the 8 bit minecraft project?
what language is the source code shown? never seen if and endif in assembly.
Wait is it actually 60 frames per second for a CRT? I thought it was 24?
I hope you're not just using GB Studio. A channel like this needs real programming.
I've doing it all in assembly for now, but I might use some music tools later since making music for these machines is like writing a whole program on its own
Can you make this game for the Atari 2600?
Sure, why not?
@@InkboxSoftware will you do it in a video?
No, I've never touched the Atari 2600
@@InkboxSoftware you could use a tutorial like Truttle1 did
@@mrfun216 i can't believe that truttle1's video on the atari came out only like less than a day before this video came out
1:56 is or isn't
I feel like that open license ending music is unwritten-rule copyrighted lol
What?, the controller data in the nes is a fkn byte?, that knowledge would have saved me a lot of troubles back in the days when I spent hours trying to fix my controllers.
Actually, the controller is polled and relays each button's current state in a sequence. That process takes quite a few clock cycles, but you can take that sequence and fit it all on one byte for reference.