Motocross Action's 2020 450 Shootout
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2019
- #shootout #competition #motocross
Make no mistake about it; Motocross Action Magazine isn't looking at all 6 450 motocross models for their play riding, enduro, or off-road riding abilities. To us, these are pure-bred race bikes, and that's how we tested and rated them. Our information is just a suggestion. If you don't like our test, you can find lots of other shootouts with different results - perhaps one of those will make you feel better about your own bike. But, be forewarned, we are the only media company that raced all six bikes every week, dyno'ed all six bikes, weighed all six bikes, broke things on all six bikes and spent five months doing our shootout. We use ten different test riders of varying ability and politeness who also raced all six bikes in classes from Novice to Vet to Pro.
The goal of MXA's 2020 450 Shootout isn't to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside, but we do care about what serious motocross racers think because they push the bikes they own to the best of their ability and really that's our true audience because that's also us. Boiled down to its essence, the 2020 MXA 450 Shootout is for serious racers who want to investigate every bike out there before they spend a good chunk of their hard earned money on a new model and we're here to help them out.
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Really like how there is sub categories for vets and weekend warriors.
It is surprisingly non biased one
I am not a motocross rider but what a fantastic review! I love how you break it into weekend warriors, vets, etc.
How did you find the video? Lol
Welcome to the moto community btw.
@@caydenthompson126 I follow all things that have anything to do with bikes:-)
@@davereinhart9933 nice
As an 'outsider' which would you take?!
Make sure you attend a supercross race
Possibly the most thorough testing that's ever been done on motorcross bikes-well done and all other testers should take note!
This is by far the best overall review I have seen on any motorcycle class review! I loved that you gave pros/cons of each early in the video and throughout!
From experience I can say, MX Action and Dirt Bike Magazine hit the nail on the head every time. I have never bought a bike without consulting them, and everything they said about that bike was true, accurate, and correct. 1973 TM Suzuki... "It's not whether you should buy one or not. It's more like "how many" you should buy." (So true. I walked out paying only $670, (tax included), with a brand new one. Went home and became the wheelie king! Ha! You guys are awesome. Thanks for decades of great work!
I've always relied on MXA'S shootout opinions for many years long before youtube was around when selecting my bikes. I find them to be very acurate and easily relatable to what I've experienced. Even their set up tips are always reliable for at least base line to start with. Whether you like what they say or not they are hands down the best (non bias) source for this type of review!
Bro I love the “Get over it” disclaimer in the beginning! Haha 🤘🏽
Was the water truck driver guy off that day, track looked dryer than Death Valley.
Yes he did! This was the other day when California was experiencing high winds and the power company shut off the power to Glen Helen and the county also shut off the water to save it in case of a fire... Bummer deal but we had to get it done and make the most of it
@@joshmosiman1955 good jab getnr done boys 🤙
I always love your shootouts, I use it as a guide if looking for a new bike. Thanks!
Best shootout in years. I’m closer to the C class rider and appreciate the honesty about where your opinions are coming from.
THE BEST VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING ABOUT MOTOCROSS 2020 MODELS
+1👍
I really like how this shootout was broken down into sub-categories and quickly addressed the major considering points of each model. Immediately I was able to consider the right bike for my age/ability and what issues I'd have to address immediately after purchasing. Husqvarna here I come!
Better shootout than you've done in recent years, with the breakdowns and even mocking pros
thank you MX Mag, for calling me a Vet, and not "old dude"
Not what they meant lol
the state of that track, it couldn't be any further away from the sandy wet conditions we have mostly in the uk, now i will watch and enjoy
MXA is doing things right, by far the best shootout I’ve ever watched!
I love the breakdown guys. Fantastic job. I LOVE my 2020 yz450f. Im a 6'4 240 pound 33 year old fast guy. It just works for me.
Great review. Fully agree with the findings.
I laughed at the start when the guy on the Suzuki had to kick it over while everyone else had electric start.
Great job on the shootout. Great editing (on the video), and lots of info you don't get from other shootouts.
I personally really like the new format of breaking down the bikes into the play, vet, etc, categories.
Max just makes the best shootouts. Period.
How could they not put number 94 on the Honda?
We plan out our numbers for each bike at the beginning of the year. The each number represents a year, a model and brand for that year. For 2020 all of our Yamaha's end with the number 4 and all of our 450s begin with the number 9. This way when we look at our bike tests from years past we can check our number chart to determine which year, which brand and which model it is.
@@joshmosiman1955 i dont think you get it, Kroc....
@@sloan4764 I totally get it, I was just explaining our system for picking numbers
best shootout award goes to MXA!
These so called engineers that put these bikes together has sucked for years,I’m surprised by now that they haven’t figured out who they need to have a say in what goes on a bike,not that they need the most expensive parts but ergonomics is the most important part of a bike,smdh, You guys did an awesome job testing these bikes,the best one I’ve seen!
I got a 2019 KTM XCF450 recently and that thing is an absolute monster. It’s the first bike that I’ve ever bought brand new, my first four-stroke (I’ve always ridden two-strokes), and also the best bike I’ve ever owned/ridden hands down. I want to also say the owners manual that my bike came with is so insanely helpful and well thought out. Makes taking care of the bike easy. The suspension and brakes are the things I noticed most compared to my previous bikes. On the suspension; the fact I can click it down nice and soft for the trails and then simply click it up and go slay the race track is just too cool. Once you get the air pressure set right for your weight, via the included fork/shock air pump, you’re good to go and can just click it around to dial it in. It’s so fucking awesome. I’ve always ridden YZ250 two-strokes and I love them but these new bikes are just insane.
Good to hear , I’m looking at getting a ktm 500 exc , hopefully I don’t regret it . As I was going to get a Yamaha WR 450 but thought maybe try something completely different.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, definitely makes me miss my younger days when my life only revolved around motocross racing. So glad I still have my bike and gear.
Really Nice can’t wait for 2021
Really nice format! Good vid!
Great review! thanks
The stock ergos on the 2020 Yamaha I don’t think get emphasized enough glad MXA brought it up. As much as I wanted to love the bike, it was the most awkward bike I’ve ridden ergonomically at least for me personally. In stock form has virtually NOTHING to grab with your legs in comparison to the 19 and up Kawasaki and Hondas. Brilliant otherwise but I couldn’t get over that awkward feel.
Dude. How can you possibly know so much about so many bikes? You have ridden and evaluated the 2019 and 2020 Yamaha, Kawasaki and Hondas and it's not even November of 2019? WOW!
M6BrokeMe I have not ridden the 2020 Honda or 2020 Kawasaki but I have ridden two separate 2019 Hondas (one stock one with suspension), 18 and 2020 Yamaha stock , I own a 2019 Kawasaki with many many mods, heck just last weekend rode my friends 18 and 2019 KTMs. A lot of riders in my crew change bikes every year so I am fortunate to have the opportunity to try a lot of them. All I mean by my comment is the Yamaha ergonomics stock out of the factory are very awkward and the bike itself has virtually nothing to grab with your legs in its stock form. The owner has since put a taller winged seat on it. My says makes a huge difference and gives you something to contact with your knee braces. Kawasaki the rider triangle has such a contact patch that my frame looks like it’s polished because I’m constantly all over the bike. The Honda fits the same way for me at 5’11”. And I’m not a Yamaha hater by any means I own a 2011 YZ 450 F with 160 hours on it to this day it’s the bike I like won’t get rid of.
I’m a Honda guy and I agree about the Yamahas eurgos. It’s odd feeling. But I would much rather the Yamaha of a Kawasaki. I owned a KX for 2 months and pretty much fell apart lol. Never again Honda or Yamaha for life.
Aidan’s ATV Adventures I’m a Yamaha guy don’t get me wrong by my comment. My 2011 Yz450f has 165 hours and will never be sold! I just thought the 2020 was so bizarre and odd when I rode it which deterred me from buying one. I did ride it again with a taller seat, different bars, suspension, and Rekluse CX and it felt much more comfortable but I still prefer the basically everything about the kawi performance and Motowise. As for kawi falling apart I will say this. With 32 hours my 19’ kawi .... looks like it has 60 hours on it. Idk why but the fit finish and quality of the Kawi seems to show wear way earlier and stupid things happen like losing seat bolts... But man I love the feel of the bike overall and it’s been reliable for me and is an unbelievable machine. Honda is my close second for sure though 👍
Love both. My current bike for overall riding is a 2014 Yz250F. That bike is bullet proof. Best bike I’ve ever owned. I also have a 2014 Crf450r for tracks and racing. For a track 450 I’ve only riden a Honda. Everything else I ride the YZ. Both are equally cool to me 🤘🏻
Thanks for the vid and advice. Ihave a young racer, this helps.thumbs up guys
Best review, subbed.
God i love that new Yamaha. Looks like the '18 is getting traded in. Thanx MXA for continuing to blow the competition away!! Im a big dude and i race the local pro class in Reno, Nevada and of course no bike sponsor, reliability is everything so Yamaha is the ONLY bike for me.
Awesomely done. Great video!
I totally agree, with this shootout. I am an Old vet racer and all I would buy is a KTM or Husky, but I will get the 350. Nobody in my class even uses all of the power of a 450.
I have the KTM 350. Dream bike for sure. The only way to go if you aren't a pro racer.
Better to have the power and not need it than to need it and not have it
@@jamesstrickland4019 the 350s have all the power you need
Cayden Thompson disagree. I make mine a snowbike in winter and 350 100% wouldn’t have enough power for your sled track in deep snow. 450 all day. Just stay in 4th gear on the regular stuff 😁
@@jacobmcvay123 that's another thing. We're not talking snow bikes😂
The KTM is Sublime-Especially the Factory Edition- Nothing has ever fallen off or came loose on mine- sick power also
This was a awesome video
This was AWESOME!! #AFTERMATHMOTOMX and #aftermathmx APPROVES this video
Thank you
Great vid guys, nice work!
Alright best shoot out of the year! Kawi's rear seat bolt always been a problem with every Kawasaki I owned from 2008 to 2016. Pretty tired of replacing the seat bolt. I knew Yamaha and KTM were the best. I wanted a Yamaha but after this and seeing Plessinger eat it at monster cup. Call it what you want I believe it was the bikes fault. I think I'm going with KTM for the next bike. Also I rode a 18.5 FE KTM 450 few months ago. Was one the best bikes I've ever ridden.
Once you become a custom to having a hydraulic clutch and those awesome Brembo brakes everything else feels like a downgrade, I hope the Japanese finally catch up soon as it definitely seems like they're getting closer
I have two ktms, 18 and 19, everyday I ride them I can’t get over how next level they are, it definitely takes about 10 hours to complete fall in love with them but once you get going in them for a little while you feel spoiled especially hoping on the other brands
Yamaha won 3 shootouts. Kawasaki won 2 shootouts. Of course MXA chose KTM again lmao what a joke. When it placed 3rd - 4th in every other shootout. Just come out already and say y’all are in bed with KTM. Lol. Your shootouts already lost credibility years ago.
Lmao again smh
The paper criteria shootout haha. Been the setup for all austrian funded magazines .
On the KX450 the specs said 34.83 ft lb of torque but you said 38.83?
Great review.
What amazes me is reviewers like you, and this applies to road bikes & cars reviews, can identify fundamental flaws that should have been identified by the so called development riders/drivers and never got to go into production. I accept that component cost is a consideration but if it does not work then it should not be on the bike/car.
Save manufacturing cost but then not sell bikes or as many because there are better bikes to choose from, sometimes at less cost. False economy imo.
First time I ever heard the term YAW associated with a mx bike. Lol
Keep it YZ! I can definitely vouch for the durability
Same here they always come back for more got a, yamaha 450 and a, 250 for chilling love them both
Best 450 shootout video
YAMAHA , The trusty old rusty "BULLET PROOF"
KTM for the win
Good but overrated . I'm goin European & not comin bk.
👍Good vid, but the major thing that made the Yamaha tie with the ktm was the suspension, if I go buy cone valves that won’t be the case
I like the narrator said "They don' care about the settings, they just wan to ride red" Which I am doing it now hehehe
Im thinking about buying a 450cc bike. But i dont know wich one is the best for me, so i would love to have some help here from an expert.
Im looking for a 450cc from 2005 up to 2009, something like that.
I love torque, so a 450cc with alot of torque would be perfect. Hits hard on the middle and drops a little bit on the top end.
And i love a loud bike too, so if you happend to know wich one is the loudest too that would be perfect.
Cheers from Sweden.
I grew up on yz’s as a kid never had a Yamaha blow up on me in all the years I had them, im now on a Ktm great bikes deep down I’m a Yamaha man but the Ktm is 10 times a better bike of the new era, look back to the 1990s the Ktm were junk bikes back in them days I grew up around yz cr rm kx smokers they were the bikes of choice in the 80s 90s through to the early 2000s you never seen a Ktm or husky 4 banger have come a long way I never thought I would be riding a 4 stoke Ktm in my life time on bikes great bike hands down the hole lot
Hearing about all of ktm’s reliability issues back in the day is what’s kept me from getting one, that’s all I used to hear about was how unreliable they were. I may look into getting one of the newer ones.
The old KTMs truely were pieces of shit. I've owned one and I found it truly mind boggling how poorly engineerd it was.
Question: Do you guys use these shootouts when deciding to buy a bike?
What bike is best for a C Rider?
Being a test rider for this would be cool as hell
So which tool is best?
I love motorcross I want to have one its binge to ride with that full adrenaline and high jumping its adorable 🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
@4:40 Did you say Hinkel Built Transmission? What?
I’ve just got the 2021 kxf450 see how long it lasts
Can I have your KTM now yous guys are done testing it please? 👀
Hahaha loved the opening, that’ll get the haters and blinkered brand fanboys out in force! 😂
“If you didn’t like the Yahama oddness in the past because I was big, bulky, tall, loud and heavy know that it still is.” Jeff Walker said it wasn’t and rides Honda year round
well he's a really tall guy though
Buggy Bux you mean short guy
Kruthos Jeff Walker is 6’1”. How tf is that short
2020 KTM 450 is the one to go with hands down even stock it's speed,handling, how light/narrow the chassis is and how responsive it is overall . Love mine
KTM #1 -NY 💯
Joey Savatgy on podium at paris 2019-11-09 WHITOUT electric start..omg
that is so amazing yami forks are still king. in 13 yrs the others cant figure it out, lol....just shows how hard they really try to improve these bikes...not whole lot, am sure aside from ktm their focus is in other industries
Info on the background music?
Hands down best shoot out I have ever seen! Wow
What is the best for tall rider? Thanks.
I'm 6'1 with very long arms and i absolutely love the stock positioning on my Honda 450, i ride very rough Michigan trails and i can comfortably fly through the woods!
respect the results. i love kawasaki its just a style i enjoy. smooth good power and just for some fun laps in the weekend. plus for 7k euros defo the best toy for your money
Motocross Action KTM review, Extremely not biased at all
Was this in Utah?
I'm from Indiana and I need eye drops after watching this dust bowl.
What they forgot to mention is that the KTM needs an oil change every 200 feet and a valve adjustment every half lap with top end rebuilds every 2 laps
Would have been cooll to see the Gas Gas put in the mix this year.
I’ll stick with ole reliable 2 stroke YZ’s
You got that right Mr.Miller.
Meh I'll stick with my 03 CR250R
I had a go on one of those a while back, mostly stock and it sucked the suspension was really soft and the motor was really flat due to the RC valve, it left me really underwhelmed and the KTM 200 I had at the time blew the doors off it, I really hope they aren't all like the one I rode as they're definitely popular
Code Name Noob ride a 2001 cr250r with a mechanical power valve thats the best cr250 ever made
Surprise surprise, KTM win MXAs shootout...🙄
That tends to happen when you're ten years ahead of the competition
As always.
@@codenamenoob4973 Agree, too bad there's no such bike out there...
Surprise surprise, Yamaha Or Honda wins other shootouts ... shootouts are a collection of opinions, you can’t just choose the one that says your favourite bike is the best and claim all the others are wrong 🙄
Thats it guys just live it denial
The BEST bikes always wins.. whatever the color. The Cap bikes just don't hold a candle to the KTM or Husky. They are getting closer though. Buy and ride what you like. Simple as that.
1:41 That's Meat on the Bones... Spoke-tacular!
A weekend warrior/trail rider would be better served with enduro models not mx
Agreed, like the Yamaha yz 450 fx, same power, softer suspension.
Lots of guys ride MX models on trails.
They don't make white bike stands?
Great video.....thank you! I want the Honda! 😂👍🏻🇨🇦
The biggest class at the Vet races out here, is the over 60's.
WOW!
Just hot a 2020 Yamaha YZ 450f so in my eyes its the winner of the shootout since Im stuck with it! 🔥💯👊🏽
It's a sweet bike man congrats
Dog Paws Thanks but im only 5’4 130 lbs so it sits as high as Idk what I feel like a baby on it! 🤣🤣🤣
I have a question for all you keyboard bike mechanics. I am 6’2 and 165lbs and I have a 2017 ktm 150sx and I can’t get the bike to turn good for the life of me. I’ve pulled the fork tubs up, tried tall bars, shorter bars, softened up the suspension stiffened it. Only place I get it to turn good is sand tracks. Any suggestions??
Yup....Get a 2006 Honda CR 125. The best handling bike i have ever ridden
Did you set the sag right ? You're 6'2 but if you have long legs instead of a long upper body you can put a taller seat on it so you can get forward more. Try adjusting the forks so it is not standing up going through the turns.
Look up the article “is your handlebar position working against you.” It’s an article on ThumperTalk. Aside from Proper sag/springs, could be a bar position/attack position thing. I never care for when bike have the bars in the forward mount personally They gotta be like neutral and low but I’m 5’ 11”. Also could play with peg height to put you in a more neutral spot.
Johnny Ducati I will look up the article thank you.
Johnny Ducati I’ve also messed with the bars a lot. Moving them forward backward in the middle
Gotta admit …. The Suzuki has the best looks lol. I have almost all these 450s except the Husq, but the RMZ has the meanest look. The suspension took us a while to find the sweet spot but overall a great bike.
I honestly thought it would be crf vs ktm
I have an 07 yz450 and it has 250 to 300 hours on it. Still has the stock clutch and it is in getting a full engine rebuild before it explodes. This bike will be with me for ever
вот это обзорчик!!! Спасибо!
hello everybody, i wanted to ask you guys a question : i've always dreamed my whole life to ride and practice motocross but sadly never had the opportunity...
But now i've decided that i want to give it a try no matter what.
But i got 2 questions for you guys that really trouble me :
1/ Do you think being a really big dude like me is a "no go" for this ? (former powerlifter : 6"1 and 265lbs).
2/ Do you think my age (44 years old) can be a problem, especially when you recovered from a knee's tendon surgery from a few years ago ? (excuse my english i'm french)
Thank you so much for your advices guys, especially if you are advanced riders !
do it! Im 51 still riding since 17yo if you have a previous injury keep a brace on it and always wear full riding gear with knee & elbow protection. Ride at your own pace work at being smooth and controlled with good techniques you can always jump on youtube for good instruction videos too
"feet pound of torque" ....wth?? Any idea what that does to your credibility???
I don’t understand how people can say ktm is crap but THEY WIN EVERYTHING !!!
Ever maintained one?
1:41 Ready to Dig In?? ….Spoke-Tacular
The money is the question! Suzuki is a great bike for the price. For me, the Honda is my dream bike.
They are all great bikes, id race any of um...
Whats the music track, anyone know
Sandstorm by Darude.
Susuki RMZ 😍🤩
Ktm, Yamaha, husky, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki. That’s probably the order.
You probably haven't rode a Honda recently.
Zach no I have not. I was guessing the order MXA was going to give them. I’d love to try one. I nearly bought a 19 crf. It was my second choice and it was a very hard decision.
@@brandonbladen4691 I rode a 2019 and it blew my mind. Can't believe bikes that much faster now.
Zach I never got to ride either 19 I was choosing. I used MXA for all the info I could get. Went with a Yamaha for reliability, the power tuner app, and the SSS fork.
Ktm Honda husky Yamaha Suzuki
Kawasaki for me and I’m a Honda rider!!!
I always wondered why you say its all about motocross and racing. Then you never do a double blind lap time test and give the winner to the bike most people go the fastest on. You factor in ergonomics, looks, serviceability, plushness of suspension, bla bla. If it's all about winning, you got to give it to the fastest lap time bike, right?
YAMMY ALL THE WAY BBY! I stand by that bullet-proof saying.