Thank you for making this comparison. Everything I have seen thus far only compared AVC with AV1 and that's a night and day difference. I was looking to see how much better AV1 is compared to HEVC, bc I use HEVC for most of my video work. I am glad to see that AV1 is pushing the quality forward and we're only on 1st gen HW encoders for AV1 so hopefully it'll keep getting better over time.
Question for you though. Do you think the AV1 cards are worth it at this point? Like you said AV1 is only available on RTX 4000, RX 7000, and Arc. And beside the Arc A380, which sucks at gaming, all those cards are really expensive. Given that most people have access to HEVC on all Ryzen iGPUs, RX 400 and newer, GTX 1000 and newer, and Intel iGPU 7th gen and newer, should they just use the HEVC they already have? If you stream to Twitch you are stuck with AVC regardless, and if you stream to UA-cam you can use HEVC on your older GPU and get pretty close to the quality of AV1 with slightly more bitrate. So at the end of the day is it worth it? Maybe when Twitch makes the jump to AV1 it will...
I am personally using AV1 on UA-cam for streaming but for recording purposes I went HEVC. AV1 files were difficult to edit in resolve for me. I love the file size of AV1 recordings though. I could do lossless and get smaller files than HEVC and still great quality.
@@stuupyisntrealwrong. If you have LESS THAN 10K subscribers and you want to do Livestreaming with your RTX 4090, even if you start streaming with AV1 enabled, the people watching your stream will receive H264 version of the video codec. Not AV1
Twitch should have already died, they refuse to move forward, ban people for nothing, don't care about their "special girls" breaking the rules, etc etc
He has an older recording tutorial for and cards, but he did say it quickly in this video too, that if you're just going to record you should probably double the streaming bit rate. Personally I use 40mbps for my cod clips on here and HEVC because I have a rx 5700xt and I think my clips look decently crispy
@@theguycanfly98 If you record @ 1440p60 I think the max bitrate on UA-cam is 32000 kbps, so I dont know if you would gain anything more in terms of visual clarity going higher. COrrect me if im wrong :)
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. For my use case, I have a decent gaming PC on my home network and sometimes I like to stream games from it to another PC. It is not an easy question to ask which codec is best for this or how to set this up for the best quality with the least amount of money spent. Understanding the differences between encoding and decoding and the technologies involved helps with me selecting a good enough GPU to get the highest quality out of my streaming PC without overspending. This video was extremely helpful for that pursuit.
Unfortunately for channels under 10K you get stuck with AVC transcoding from UA-cam. The only way you can force VP9 is if you upload or stream at 1440p. It's a strange rule and I wish that wasn't the case
@@JordonAM Idk why I phrased it like that...literally made no sense and added no value to what you already said...I mean to say you can use a 1440p stream key to force YT to upscale a 1080p stream from OBS to 1440p and give you vp9. Very helpful if you dont have the bandwidth for a 1440p stream yourself.
Interestingly, I would say the text clarity is actually better in HEVC than AV1, though maybe not leaps and bounds. If you pause around 8:53 - 8:54 and observe the white flag on the left, as it gets closer I can definitely read the word "festival" much more readily in the HEVC version before I can in the AV1 version. And I see similar superiority in HEVC when I try to read other text like the words at the bottom of the license plate at various times
@@AncientGameplays I suppose so, what is better though? does it take less performance, smaller file sizes or what? I havn't quite understood what's so good about it, e.g. compared to Nvenc (h.264).? It does seem solid nonetheless, but I would like to see a comparison on performance (FPS) between Hardware AV1 and Nvenc.
What is most important to me is the stuff in the background which is not the main focus point, with all these new codecs I often see stuff in the background moving at 1fps and it looks horrible.
Hey i like ur video , i was going to ask question so i have rx 7800 xt ryzen 5 7500F and im a content creator i'm here for asking OBS RECORDING SETTINGS or AMD SOFTWARE and which should i use editing software could u share ur recording settings? (i'd want to copy ur settings :D)
I'm more interested in how AV1 competes against HEVC in VR scenarios. Meta(Oculus)'s new Quest 3 is supposed to support AV1. The problem is that so few GPUs offer it an encode except the newest gen 4000/7000/Intel cards, and I'm already on a 6900xt so I'm not upgrading any time soon even if AV1 is better. My question is, how is the latency? I know that was one of the reasons that H.264 was preferred over H.265 for Quest 2 streaming for the longest time because the latency was just dogshit. how much performance hit is there doing CPU encode vs GPU encode with AV1? I mean, most of my cores aren't being used with the games I play, so if pushing AV1 via CPU is an option, and my other cores finally get used, is it really a big deal?
@@Phat_trick910 Partially Wrong, It supports DECODE of AV1, NOT ENCODE, which is necessary to send AV1 to either twitch, youtube, or in this case, to the Quest. AV1 ENCODE is only only supported by AMD 7000, Intel ARC, or Nvidia 4000
AVC is really old now. At that time it come out for use with CPU Encoding (x264). If compare Hardware H.264 vs x264 you will see different. Unlike H.265 and AV1 that come out while the GPU get very powerful and more versatile like these days. Especially AV1 that must require quite a lot of processing power (must require GPU, otherwise the AV1 quality will come out like garbage like when using SVT-AV1) and many software like Adobe Premiere Pro does not support it make H.265 better in general. But if these 3 codecs have decent value of bitrate it will come out almost the same quality.
@@SpecCrazy Wow you are smart, i never got the hang of OBS Studio or Adobe Premiere Pro, they always seemed too complicated to me, i'm kind of retarded anyway.
I just bought a Ryzen 9 7900X, a RX 7900XT and put 64 Gb RAM in my new setup. I'll do live streams and try the AV1 for sure. Let's see what this "thing" can do hehe. Thanks for the video
Hey AG! huge thanks to you again for your research on av1 in this vid. A technical and motivational one for me to finally start uploading AV1 2K gameplay series. ❤🎉 respec bro!😊
I can't import AV1 recorded videos to adobe premiere pro. I can't even upload the recording directly to UA-cam. UA-cam says processing failed. I recorded it through Nvidia app. How did you export your AV1 video ?
Very informative! Thank you! There is one strange thing that got me confused about AV1 codec - I have a TV Box, Mecool KM6 Deluxe. It can use AV1 when streaming videos (through hdmi) and not only the picture is better but the performance is better too...
For streaming UA-cam: AMD H265 is amazing (nothing to envy Nvidia HEVC / NVENC). Twitch: AMD H264 (RDNA2 & 3) is It is decent but it does not reach the level Quality of Nvidia cards (slightly less than Pascal 😮, and much less than Turing & Ampere). AV1: I haven't tried av1 (I have an RX 6650 XT) but it should surprise you.
Care you detail your settings? I am interested in starting to stream a little again, but it has been difficult after changing to an AMD card and only having limited amount of upload speed (20mbps).
Really good video thank you! but I didn't catch it (sorry f'ed up sleeping schedule lol), what GPU was used? and how does NVENC campare to AMD Encoder?
I don't know if this is something you're interested in, but I would love to see and hear your opinion on a comparison on streaming codecs for VR, like for the Quest 3 :)
When I watch Twitch, my GPU power consumption goes up to 30-40W. On UA-cam, up to 16-20W on my RX 6800. AV1 or HEVC, whichever it is, must be so efficient, apart from looking so clear.
6900xt has to support it. In OBS it shows up for use, but I don't really stream, but handbrake also does av1 I first tested on the 3950x 2060ko an hour in to use I was 15% done. And on the 5900x and 6900xt same settings the full render was done in 15 minutes 4k to 4k I have a 6900xt on the 3950x as I am doing other testing , so I can test this as well. Now. As well as when I finish memory tuning testing between the 3950x and 6900xt and the 5900x and 6900xt to see if there are different results. Let me know and I can send settings used in OBS as well as version number and do a test stream. For you let me know I got your back
@@AncientGameplays the 3950x vs the 5900x run out the same and a 15% to 20% ipc lift would not reduce time to render this much I will have a 5950x later but will test the same movie from hvec to av1 In Handbrake , I have 26Tb of media in house that I have for Plex and recently have been working on testing 4k stuff lots of information learned here on the Plex media server side of things
@@AncientGameplays I will test all of it in bit in the deepest dive you will ever see on UA-cam with 6900xt for fun I even put it on FX at 4l lol but 2600x vs 3950x vs 5900x and I will wrap it up with 5800x3d it won't be out till some time august as I am using a ton of different ram settings in testing here. And also open loop vs aio. Just from 3200 cl 18 to 3600cl 14 was a 9-10 fps gain in numbers but giving out too much and as 4x8 is harder on the memory controller this is the best on the 3950x I have dual rank 2x16 that I know will do at least 3800 cl14 on the 3950x and on the 5900x 4000 cl14 everyone should learn a ton from the data I collect here. Rotfl
@@pookano UA-cam and Discord if you count streaming to your friends on discord as a streaming service. Twitch has plans to roll out AV1 support, but that's about it.
What do you think of the current streaming performance of the RDNA2 GPUs and how does it compare between Twitch and UA-cam? Specifically the 6950xt after the relatively recent driver updates etc.
Hi there, what software we can use for editing of AV1 videos? I thing that newest Premiere Pro still don't support it. And what export setting we need to use for UA-cam to keep quality? Will UA-cam accept recorded material in AV1 format? Thanks.
Hello! Thank you for the work you have done here. This is finally a comparison, which also points the details in clarity etc. and not, like various other videos, just straight side by side comparison without any commenting at all. I like how AV1 is doing but also sad, that it isn't available on twitch as for now. Hopefully they will add this. Back to your video. Again a good comparison and easy to follow along. I wasn't using AV1 for recording because the most Videos only showed settings and such for either x264 or h264. I now have a better view on quality changes for the encoder thanks to your video! Much appreciated.
Really nice video, one more reason to buy the new 7000 series in the future although I think AMD was very late in getting their act together now I know why my graphics card has a decoder but no encoder I can see why the high CPU usage in OBS thank you !
On the same card, the performance impact would be equal (almost zero), this was with the 7900XTX, although I always record using HEVC and the performance drop is almost unnoticiable, even at 50mbps
But do the new AMD card also have the chip for encoding like rtx card have where it makes it so when you encode stream with it you dont lose any performance?
This is with AMD recording software, picked in between the 3 codecs. The AMD software equals more or less the Quality mode (usually a bit better). Also, B-Frames are just for the AVC codec
holy shit i was just looking into this since i discovered that my upload speed was 20 mbps instead of the advertised 10 mbps :P. This should allow me to have a decent enough stream using H.265 encoder to youtube.
12:09 look at the wall with the lamp, hevc has richer texture detail, those are not artifacts, av1 tends to smooth too much wiping detail in texture, I came to learn that encoding movies where skin looks plastic
What I was able to conclude from the video was to just go with AV1 blindly. The AVC codec is worst of all, literally showing us pixels visibly. Meanwhile the HEVC is half AVC and half AV1. Pixelated but not so much. But AV1 has been the sharpest and most refined throughout the video
think i'm gonna buy a RX 7600 for the AV1 to pop in my second machine that captures and replace my 2070S because Av1 still handles lower bitrate way better compared to everything else.
@@AncientGameplays kinda miss my old R9 fury before I replaced it with a 2070S back then but 4gb's of vram was pushing it and needed more umph at the time and was lucky before everything got hectic to get a 2070S for lower then MSRP in June 2020 on newegg but preparing for a new purely gaming PC build with hopefully a R9 8950X and a RX 8950xtx if they even come out that is Edit: will be my last build I probably make the hobby is getting to out of control anymore for pricing :)
@@AncientGameplays thanks for the info and subbed can't wait to see your review on the 7600 maybe get some good ideas on the encoding side of the things and stuff :)
if u need only card for encoder buy intel arc a750 or a380 amd av1 encoder is trash all amd encoders only for marketing and never updated.5 years i use amd cards and have soulsadnes with encoders and quality for streaming an so happy iam with intel and nvidia encoders now.never buy again amd cards this cards dont have normal quality streaming encoders this is marketing scam.wana stream buy intel arc or nvidia.
Hey, any good recommendation for recording using 6600xt in 1080p? For now i use HEVC at 35k bitrate, then export with higher bitrate (50k) using H.265 encoder in Filmora 13 (2k upscale). Any recommendations? 😂
Would be nice to see CPU encoding equivalent (viables) and how 8 vs 16 cores modern CPU hold regarding lost performance... Nvidia new nvenc with rtx always been great as it also avoid unnecessary use of RAM and improve games performance over 1000 series and bellow. H265 should be best, but not sure GPU can do this in real time but then x264 using the cPU on medium/slow could achieve similar RTX quality if not better. In my experience to get best result you need to improve game resolution, regardless of end encoding quality the encoding would had an easy time with high resolution sources when doing his magic. Remind of days recording with FRAP using uncompressed format (heavy files), that quality was beyond anything else even up to date like you could full anyone you where actually watching the original screen if you went full-screen and the fun thing is that even a Phenom II could handle the task easy, but then this is offline recording not suit for streaming. I try using OBS uncompressed but doesn't match what Frap offers back in the old days, OBS is a messy program all around. I imagine CPU encoding could become more relevant despite the AV1 introduction as CPU can easily handle the task even at the highest of settings. I have a couple old 1080p video recorded with FRAP the quality was beyond anything else back then, including shadow lay at max settings that came years later.
Encoding through software based(cpu) is way more taxing than via hardware, with the gpu the encoding is done by an specialized part, it will always perform miles better than doin it through the cpu. An exemple, rn, afaik there aint a single cpu that can manage av1 in real time...
Bro! What do you think, what its better? I have an RX 6700XT. I have to know wich one is better, record screen (games) on OBS with H265 or AMD Adrenalin with he HEVC?? OBS is supposed to be very heavy and affects performance...
This video content is AV1 quality (no pund intended) hehe😊 thanks a lot AG. I wonder if I were to record an AV1 "locally" at 1080p 60fps then export scaleup to 1440p 60fps, what would be your recommend Bitrate in this scenario?🎉
@AncientGameplays I will try to crank bitrate up. thanks AG! I think I may need to try ai upscaling as normal upscale resulted in a bit blurry from FHD to 2K and 4K. (alas,my monitor is only 1080P supported) keep up the great work, and I subbed!
For AMD AVC, here's the best settings I've got with FFmpeg: EnablePreAnalysis=true RateControlPreanalysisEnable=false PAPerceptualAQMode=1 PATemporalAQMode=2 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 PASceneChangeDetectionEnable=false PAHighMotionQualityBoostMode=1 PACAQStrength=2 Took me a week of testing stuff and this is the best AMD H264 will get at the moment for Twitch..but even after all of this testing, I'm switching to UA-cam since I bought a RX 6950 XT months ago so HEVC it is for me !
I have Amd rx 6600 graphic card and i5 12 gen and My network downloading speed is 25 mbps and uploading is 20-25 mbps which encoder is best for me and how much much bitrate is good for me .... I hope you can help me Thnx 🥰
@@AncientGameplays your main, u have multi?, do you know different on av1 4090 or 4000 vs arc intel cards av1 (i saw som vids like av1 9 av1 8 ) what even is that.
@@AncientGameplays Actually, I don't think so; some Quest Pro users have been switching to h.264 for lower latency and slightly better performance. I found this out after I commented, perhaps you should release a video exploring it from your perspective.
@@AncientGameplays thx for comment sir! Love your channel! I use HEVC in 6750xt and i love it, i was thinking about av1 upgrade, but... i will wait more time after your commment hahahahah
hmmm that would explain why my stream and PC was crashing after 1h of using AV1 on my RTX 3080... tutorial didnt rly mention that u should only use it on cards 4000+
@@AncientGameplays ye probably, just like u said on video :P its just good to know for now. i might upgrade to 4000+ soon cause of mh wilds so it does not matter that much for now. thx for reply tho
This was a very requested video for several months, so it would make me happy if you could hit like to help this video get more and more recommended!
Quick question! Do you recommend to use the PRO drivers due to their "Stability" or stick into the latest Adrenalin drivers?
You know I'm always hitting that Like button not sure why they can't just give it a smash before they watch your videos are Awesome!!!!🤪
Thank you for making this comparison. Everything I have seen thus far only compared AVC with AV1 and that's a night and day difference. I was looking to see how much better AV1 is compared to HEVC, bc I use HEVC for most of my video work. I am glad to see that AV1 is pushing the quality forward and we're only on 1st gen HW encoders for AV1 so hopefully it'll keep getting better over time.
Question for you though. Do you think the AV1 cards are worth it at this point? Like you said AV1 is only available on RTX 4000, RX 7000, and Arc. And beside the Arc A380, which sucks at gaming, all those cards are really expensive. Given that most people have access to HEVC on all Ryzen iGPUs, RX 400 and newer, GTX 1000 and newer, and Intel iGPU 7th gen and newer, should they just use the HEVC they already have? If you stream to Twitch you are stuck with AVC regardless, and if you stream to UA-cam you can use HEVC on your older GPU and get pretty close to the quality of AV1 with slightly more bitrate. So at the end of the day is it worth it? Maybe when Twitch makes the jump to AV1 it will...
I am personally using AV1 on UA-cam for streaming but for recording purposes I went HEVC. AV1 files were difficult to edit in resolve for me. I love the file size of AV1 recordings though. I could do lossless and get smaller files than HEVC and still great quality.
How are you using av1 for streaming? There is no any option to choose av1. Thanks.
@@Tiiroj your gpu might not have the encoder. which gpu are you using
Whats your gpu and cpu?
OBS y can check on settings
@@stuupyisntrealwrong.
If you have LESS THAN 10K subscribers and you want to do Livestreaming with your RTX 4090, even if you start streaming with AV1 enabled, the people watching your stream will receive H264 version of the video codec. Not AV1
It still boggles me YT and even other newer streaming platforms are STILL ahead of what Twitchs streaming capabilities can do.
Twitch should have already died, they refuse to move forward, ban people for nothing, don't care about their "special girls" breaking the rules, etc etc
So much truth in a few words ❤
@@AncientGameplays Damn, no one ever was this right, like you now!
@@AncientGameplays They make 1 step forward 2 steps back dumb asf decisions bro.
@@SaiTatter Mhmm.
Like dudes, we have women literally having sex on their stream and yet they're not fully banned from the platform.
I really apprectiate the enormous amounts of work you put into these videos! They are genuinely helpful!
Thank you! Glad to know
Encoders-Decoders:
- H264/AVC = 2003 Paid
- H265/HEVC = 2013 Paid
- H266/VVC = 2020 Paid
- VP9 = 2013 Free
- AV1 = 2018 Free
Containers:
- Mp4
- Matroska
Common use:
- H264/AVC, H265/HEVC: Industry Standard
- VP9, AV1: youtube, netflix, also others.
- H266/VVC: Waiting for licenses and new future devices as 2024.
Thank you for sharing the video.
I'm not a streamer, but sometimes i record some games for my friends. This video can be very helpful, thanks!
He has an older recording tutorial for and cards, but he did say it quickly in this video too, that if you're just going to record you should probably double the streaming bit rate. Personally I use 40mbps for my cod clips on here and HEVC because I have a rx 5700xt and I think my clips look decently crispy
@@theguycanfly98 thanks
@@theguycanfly98 If you record @ 1440p60 I think the max bitrate on UA-cam is 32000 kbps, so I dont know if you would gain anything more in terms of visual clarity going higher. COrrect me if im wrong :)
That cat at the start always cracks me up, great video as always Fabio!
just the video im actually researching on. thanks bro.
Great to see I helped
Late to the party, but I sincerely thank you for all your continued efforts for all of us using AMD! Really has saved me a lot of work and headaches
Thankyou as well for watching and commenting :D
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. For my use case, I have a decent gaming PC on my home network and sometimes I like to stream games from it to another PC. It is not an easy question to ask which codec is best for this or how to set this up for the best quality with the least amount of money spent. Understanding the differences between encoding and decoding and the technologies involved helps with me selecting a good enough GPU to get the highest quality out of my streaming PC without overspending.
This video was extremely helpful for that pursuit.
Glad I could help
Unfortunately for channels under 10K you get stuck with AVC transcoding from UA-cam. The only way you can force VP9 is if you upload or stream at 1440p. It's a strange rule and I wish that wasn't the case
You can upscale to force the transcode
@@MoChuang343 Yes, hence where I said "The only way you can force VP9 is if you upload or stream at 1440p"
@@JordonAM Idk why I phrased it like that...literally made no sense and added no value to what you already said...I mean to say you can use a 1440p stream key to force YT to upscale a 1080p stream from OBS to 1440p and give you vp9. Very helpful if you dont have the bandwidth for a 1440p stream yourself.
Interestingly, I would say the text clarity is actually better in HEVC than AV1, though maybe not leaps and bounds. If you pause around 8:53 - 8:54 and observe the white flag on the left, as it gets closer I can definitely read the word "festival" much more readily in the HEVC version before I can in the AV1 version. And I see similar superiority in HEVC when I try to read other text like the words at the bottom of the license plate at various times
It can vary depending on the image as well, and the UA-cam compression definitely doesn't help
Same here; HEVC looked ver~y similar to AV1 for me; sometimes HEVC was better, sometimes AV1, depending on the scene.
yes finally a good comparison between them
Thank you
@@AncientGameplays 😄
AV1 seems to lack quality details over HEVC. That was very obvious especially on the mountains & buildings, doing the 11:14 run.
It depends o the scenario but it is overall better
@@AncientGameplays I suppose so, what is better though? does it take less performance, smaller file sizes or what? I havn't quite understood what's so good about it, e.g. compared to Nvenc (h.264).?
It does seem solid nonetheless, but I would like to see a comparison on performance (FPS) between Hardware AV1 and Nvenc.
Great comparison with great explanation!
Thanks for the video!
Thank you as well :D
Thank you so much. You make very good and useful content! I love to plunge headlong into your creativity!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you very much as well
What is most important to me is the stuff in the background which is not the main focus point, with all these new codecs I often see stuff in the background moving at 1fps and it looks horrible.
Hey i like ur video , i was going to ask question so i have rx 7800 xt ryzen 5 7500F and im a content creator i'm here for asking OBS RECORDING SETTINGS or AMD SOFTWARE and which should i use editing software could u share ur recording settings? (i'd want to copy ur settings :D)
av1 is clearly the future. currently its lacking support.
Thanks for the video!
I'm more interested in how AV1 competes against HEVC in VR scenarios. Meta(Oculus)'s new Quest 3 is supposed to support AV1. The problem is that so few GPUs offer it an encode except the newest gen 4000/7000/Intel cards, and I'm already on a 6900xt so I'm not upgrading any time soon even if AV1 is better.
My question is, how is the latency? I know that was one of the reasons that H.264 was preferred over H.265 for Quest 2 streaming for the longest time because the latency was just dogshit.
how much performance hit is there doing CPU encode vs GPU encode with AV1? I mean, most of my cores aren't being used with the games I play, so if pushing AV1 via CPU is an option, and my other cores finally get used, is it really a big deal?
is AV1 is supported, the base line is "use it"
6000 support av1
@@Phat_trick910 no
@@Phat_trick910 Partially Wrong, It supports DECODE of AV1, NOT ENCODE, which is necessary to send AV1 to either twitch, youtube, or in this case, to the Quest.
AV1 ENCODE is only only supported by AMD 7000, Intel ARC, or Nvidia 4000
AV1 gpu encode is pretty bad and has much higher latency than Hevc.
AVC is really old now. At that time it come out for use with CPU Encoding (x264). If compare Hardware H.264 vs x264 you will see different.
Unlike H.265 and AV1 that come out while the GPU get very powerful and more versatile like these days.
Especially AV1 that must require quite a lot of processing power (must require GPU, otherwise the AV1 quality will come out like garbage like when using SVT-AV1) and many software like Adobe Premiere Pro does not support it make H.265 better in general.
But if these 3 codecs have decent value of bitrate it will come out almost the same quality.
Yeah i use AVC with 60 MB/s bitrate and the quality is pretty good.
@@redragongaming I'm using 50-65Mbps on both AVC and HEVC. I think 50Mbps is enough to output a really good quality with save more disk space a bit.
@@SpecCrazy What kind of editing software do you use? I am currently editing my videos with Vegas Pro or Cyberlink Power Director.
@@redragongaming I'm using OBS for recording and Adobe Premiere Pro for editing. Codecs may varies up to my emotion to use it LMAO
@@SpecCrazy Wow you are smart, i never got the hang of OBS Studio or Adobe Premiere Pro, they always seemed too complicated to me, i'm kind of retarded anyway.
I just bought a Ryzen 9 7900X, a RX 7900XT and put 64 Gb RAM in my new setup. I'll do live streams and try the AV1 for sure. Let's see what this "thing" can do hehe. Thanks for the video
It seems like just recently the whole UA-cam has converted to AV1 for new videos, and now they look great even in 480p :) Good job, UA-cam!
Love the information
First, haven't watched it yet but this is something i'm also interested in. Thank you will be watching now u got a like from me already.
Thank you as well
Lower Bitrate & Retain decent image quality. With HW encoding GPU you are set for a unique exp w/ AV1. tbh, I only use AV1 now XD. Kudos bro.
Hey AG! huge thanks to you again for your research on av1 in this vid. A technical and motivational one for me to finally start uploading AV1 2K gameplay series. ❤🎉
respec bro!😊
I can't import AV1 recorded videos to adobe premiere pro. I can't even upload the recording directly to UA-cam. UA-cam says processing failed. I recorded it through Nvidia app. How did you export your AV1 video ?
That's because Adobe still needs to work things up. I can export and Use AV1 videos with Filmora for example
@@AncientGameplays thank you
Thanks for this Fabio 😄
Thank you as well
Very informative! Thank you! There is one strange thing that got me confused about AV1 codec - I have a TV Box, Mecool KM6 Deluxe. It can use AV1 when streaming videos (through hdmi) and not only the picture is better but the performance is better too...
Because it has a dedicated av1 decoder. Unless you need to use the cpu for av1, the performance will be around the same for all codecs
@@AncientGameplays Wow nice.
Do you know if AV1 will come to the AMD Radeon 500 series?
Or is it only for graphics cards newer than 2018
I have a Radeon RX 550
Ofc not...av1 is recent and only on thr 7000 series a s nvidia 4000 series
@@AncientGameplays av1 works on rx580
For streaming UA-cam: AMD H265 is amazing (nothing to envy Nvidia HEVC / NVENC).
Twitch: AMD H264 (RDNA2 & 3) is It is decent but it does not reach the level Quality of Nvidia cards (slightly less than Pascal 😮, and much less than Turing & Ampere).
AV1: I haven't tried av1 (I have an RX 6650 XT) but it should surprise you.
Care you detail your settings? I am interested in starting to stream a little again, but it has been difficult after changing to an AMD card and only having limited amount of upload speed (20mbps).
This video helped my understanding on cbr a TON. One question though, were these tests recorded using the cpu, or gpu..?
Really good video thank you! but I didn't catch it (sorry f'ed up sleeping schedule lol), what GPU was used? and how does NVENC campare to AMD Encoder?
Was the 7900xtx although it doesn't matter much. Nvenc is better at avc, but I believe the difference in hevc and av1 is barely noticiable
@@AncientGameplays wow thanks for the fast reply! don't you think this is an idea for future content?
Hey fabio, nice video much appreciated , just letting you know that in the 1440p test the youtube timeline says 1080p.
Fixed, thank you
I don't know if this is something you're interested in, but I would love to see and hear your opinion on a comparison on streaming codecs for VR, like for the Quest 3 :)
Thanks, but the difference would be exactly the same. Av1 > Hevc > Avc
@@AncientGameplays okay
When I watch Twitch, my GPU power consumption goes up to 30-40W. On UA-cam, up to 16-20W on my RX 6800. AV1 or HEVC, whichever it is, must be so efficient, apart from looking so clear.
Yeah, not only that, resolution also matters, and the overall platform gpu usage
And they're already working on av2!
Noice!
6900xt has to support it. In OBS it shows up for use, but I don't really stream, but handbrake also does av1 I first tested on the 3950x 2060ko an hour in to use I was 15% done. And on the 5900x and 6900xt same settings the full render was done in 15 minutes 4k to 4k I have a 6900xt on the 3950x as I am doing other testing , so I can test this as well. Now. As well as when I finish memory tuning testing between the 3950x and 6900xt and the 5900x and 6900xt to see if there are different results. Let me know and I can send settings used in OBS as well as version number and do a test stream. For you let me know I got your back
Not, that's impossible. It shows you the cpu one as explained
Also from what I understand resolve supports it have not tested it as of yet something else I can forward information on.
@@AncientGameplays the 3950x vs the 5900x run out the same and a 15% to 20% ipc lift would not reduce time to render this much I will have a 5950x later but will test the same movie from hvec to av1 In Handbrake , I have 26Tb of media in house that I have for Plex and recently have been working on testing 4k stuff lots of information learned here on the Plex media server side of things
@@AncientGameplays I will test all of it in bit in the deepest dive you will ever see on UA-cam with 6900xt for fun I even put it on FX at 4l lol but 2600x vs 3950x vs 5900x and I will wrap it up with 5800x3d it won't be out till some time august as I am using a ton of different ram settings in testing here. And also open loop vs aio. Just from 3200 cl 18 to 3600cl 14 was a 9-10 fps gain in numbers but giving out too much and as 4x8 is harder on the memory controller this is the best on the 3950x I have dual rank 2x16 that I know will do at least 3800 cl14 on the 3950x and on the 5900x 4000 cl14 everyone should learn a ton from the data I collect here. Rotfl
I use hevc for streaming on youtube and for recording because my GPU does not have an av1 encoder. I wish other platforms would support hevc too.
Why AV1 still not using in some streaming software? In OBS only for recording, not streaming..
as shown OBS supports AV1, your streaming service doesn't. That's the issue
@@AncientGameplays what streaming service support it then?
@@pookano UA-cam and Discord if you count streaming to your friends on discord as a streaming service.
Twitch has plans to roll out AV1 support, but that's about it.
What do you think of the current streaming performance of the RDNA2 GPUs and how does it compare between Twitch and UA-cam? Specifically the 6950xt after the relatively recent driver updates etc.
Rdna2 gpus have hevc and avc+b frames
very intersting video, for people who have worse internet this av1 is very good, ofc for the rest of people too :)
Very helpfull video, i relised i was recording with AVC and thinking where was the issue with the quality...
Great that I could help!
Would you say that using AV1 at 75Mbps is good enough for recording in 4k? Provided that one has powerful enough hardware, that is.
that's more than enough. I would say AV1 4K 50Mbps would be more than enough usually
I use AV1 two passes + Opus for audio and I archieve small files or streaming flux with very high quality
So on OBS what's the difference between SVC-AV1, AOM AV1, and AMD HW AV1?
The one you see is amd hw av1, the others are cpu sided, they need a good cpu
@@AncientGameplays Thank you! My google Fu is apparently very bad because I've been trying to find this information everywhere.
Hi there, what software we can use for editing of AV1 videos? I thing that newest Premiere Pro still don't support it. And what export setting we need to use for UA-cam to keep quality? Will UA-cam accept recorded material in AV1 format? Thanks.
Hello! Thank you for the work you have done here. This is finally a comparison, which also points the details in clarity etc. and not, like various other videos, just straight side by side comparison without any commenting at all. I like how AV1 is doing but also sad, that it isn't available on twitch as for now. Hopefully they will add this.
Back to your video. Again a good comparison and easy to follow along. I wasn't using AV1 for recording because the most Videos only showed settings and such for either x264 or h264. I now have a better view on quality changes for the encoder thanks to your video! Much appreciated.
Thanks, twitch was supposedly adding av1 very soon
Thank You!
Hey Fabio which are your toughts about your first Asrock brand gpu 6950XT ?
Love it so far
The problem with avc is encoders supporting AMD's improvements starting with RDNA 2. I bet they're still using GCN code paths.
Really nice video, one more reason to buy the new 7000 series in the future although I think AMD was very late in getting their act together now I know why my graphics card has a decoder but no encoder I can see why the high CPU usage in OBS thank you !
Yeah, its basically because your using software/CPU AV1. And AMD did not come late here, as only the newer gens of each brand have AV1 encoding
can u make a video where u compare AMD's and Nvidia's AV1 encoding?
I could possibly do it I guess
Given the 2-3 drivers in 2024 that improved AVC on RDNA2/3, maybe this video needs a redo?
Maybe
So now it´s the applications that is bad as they are not implementing the newest technologies... Great video as always mate!
Are there any performance differences with the different encoders? Does it change the fps when streaming, or only the quality of the stream?
On the same card, the performance impact would be equal (almost zero), this was with the 7900XTX, although I always record using HEVC and the performance drop is almost unnoticiable, even at 50mbps
@@AncientGameplays ok thanks! It's a shame that twitch doesn't support HEVC but I'll try to remember to use it next time I record something 😄
thank you
Hey bro does the 4080 have the AV1 encoder?
Yes, why don't you guys watch the video...
@@AncientGameplays I did. 💜
What do you think is the best birate for 1080p to make sure that all games being streamed are crispy ?
Its all shown in the video
@@AncientGameplays Is it still worth it to go beyond 15mbps for 1080p ? since you did say that the higher the bitrate is better
Great video, what codec is nvenc ? As that’s what it come up with in obs for me
Nvenc is just like amf. It can be nvenc avc, nvenc hevc or nvenc av1
@@AncientGameplays any idea what the 2080ti uses ? I know it’s not av1
@@johnhughes9766 the 2080ti has at max HEVC
But do the new AMD card also have the chip for encoding like rtx card have where it makes it so when you encode stream with it you dont lose any performance?
nice comparison, but why havent you show obs settings for AV1? Did you use B frame and what preset did you use quality or high quality?
This is with AMD recording software, picked in between the 3 codecs.
The AMD software equals more or less the Quality mode (usually a bit better). Also, B-Frames are just for the AVC codec
holy shit i was just looking into this since i discovered that my upload speed was 20 mbps instead of the advertised 10 mbps :P. This should allow me to have a decent enough stream using H.265 encoder to youtube.
12:09 look at the wall with the lamp, hevc has richer texture detail, those are not artifacts, av1 tends to smooth too much wiping detail in texture, I came to learn that encoding movies where skin looks plastic
av1 and hevc got improved with the 2024 drivers as well.
will there be any way to encode av1 on 6700xt in the future ? sorry i dont exactly understand how these av1 encoders work?
Those are made in the gpu, they're hardware, so no it wont. You have hevc though
What I was able to conclude from the video was to just go with AV1 blindly. The AVC codec is worst of all, literally showing us pixels visibly. Meanwhile the HEVC is half AVC and half AV1. Pixelated but not so much. But AV1 has been the sharpest and most refined throughout the video
Ecactly
think i'm gonna buy a RX 7600 for the AV1 to pop in my second machine that captures and replace my 2070S because Av1 still handles lower bitrate way better compared to everything else.
Indeed. I am currently testing the 7600
@@AncientGameplays kinda miss my old R9 fury before I replaced it with a 2070S back then but 4gb's of vram was pushing it and needed more umph at the time and was lucky before everything got hectic to get a 2070S for lower then MSRP in June 2020 on newegg but preparing for a new purely gaming PC build with hopefully a R9 8950X and a RX 8950xtx if they even come out that is
Edit: will be my last build I probably make the hobby is getting to out of control anymore for pricing :)
@@evilvash0 indeed...
@@AncientGameplays thanks for the info and subbed can't wait to see your review on the 7600 maybe get some good ideas on the encoding side of the things and stuff :)
if u need only card for encoder buy intel arc a750 or a380 amd av1 encoder is trash all amd encoders only for marketing and never updated.5 years i use amd cards and have soulsadnes with encoders and quality for streaming an so happy iam with intel and nvidia encoders now.never buy again amd cards this cards dont have normal quality streaming encoders this is marketing scam.wana stream buy intel arc or nvidia.
My AV1 recorded videos doesn't work in premiere pro any solutions?
Premiere doesn't support them, speak to adobe..m
Perfect, just what i was looking for. When can i stream in 1440p 15mb/sec to twitch?
Not yet sadly, Twitch is stuck in the past
Thanks.
@Ancient Gameplays Hello, please tell me what bitrate should be set for the AV1 codec for streaming in 2k (1440p (6-13 Mbps)
always use the most you can
having this codec, will this improve when remoting a PC from Steam Deck? I'm trying to build PC and not sure what to get GPU.
I understand AV1 is also open source so no cost to companies to use it.
Exactly, the same for AVC, and HEVC costs 1€ to the user
What about 30 mbps or 50 mbps at 1440p, would there be any difference in quality?
Yes, higher bitrate always looks better
Thank you
Hey, any good recommendation for recording using 6600xt in 1080p?
For now i use HEVC at 35k bitrate, then export with higher bitrate (50k) using H.265 encoder in Filmora 13 (2k upscale).
Any recommendations? 😂
Any speculation as to when twitch will allow av1?
Don't really know
Would be nice to see CPU encoding equivalent (viables) and how 8 vs 16 cores modern CPU hold regarding lost performance...
Nvidia new nvenc with rtx always been great as it also avoid unnecessary use of RAM and improve games performance over 1000 series and bellow.
H265 should be best, but not sure GPU can do this in real time but then x264 using the cPU on medium/slow could achieve similar RTX quality if not better.
In my experience to get best result you need to improve game resolution, regardless of end encoding quality the encoding would had an easy time with high resolution sources when doing his magic. Remind of days recording with FRAP using uncompressed format (heavy files), that quality was beyond anything else even up to date like you could full anyone you where actually watching the original screen if you went full-screen and the fun thing is that even a Phenom II could handle the task easy, but then this is offline recording not suit for streaming. I try using OBS uncompressed but doesn't match what Frap offers back in the old days, OBS is a messy program all around.
I imagine CPU encoding could become more relevant despite the AV1 introduction as CPU can easily handle the task even at the highest of settings.
I have a couple old 1080p video recorded with FRAP the quality was beyond anything else back then, including shadow lay at max settings that came years later.
Encoding through software based(cpu) is way more taxing than via hardware, with the gpu the encoding is done by an specialized part, it will always perform miles better than doin it through the cpu. An exemple, rn, afaik there aint a single cpu that can manage av1 in real time...
Bro!
What do you think, what its better? I have an RX 6700XT.
I have to know wich one is better, record screen (games) on OBS with H265 or AMD Adrenalin with he HEVC??
OBS is supposed to be very heavy and affects performance...
Oba is more CPU consuming while adrenaline is gpu
спасибо большое! отличная работа!
I hope GPU brands will release soon h.266 decoding and encoding.
Av1 mate
@@AncientGameplays they already have av1. H.266 is my concern.
This video content is AV1 quality (no pund intended) hehe😊 thanks a lot AG.
I wonder if I were to record an AV1 "locally" at 1080p 60fps then export scaleup to 1440p 60fps, what would be your recommend Bitrate in this scenario?🎉
Higher bitrate is always better, if you can use it at higher levels, just do it :D
@AncientGameplays I will try to crank bitrate up. thanks AG! I think I may need to try ai upscaling as normal upscale resulted in a bit blurry from FHD to 2K and 4K. (alas,my monitor is only 1080P supported) keep up the great work, and I subbed!
For AMD AVC, here's the best settings I've got with FFmpeg: EnablePreAnalysis=true RateControlPreanalysisEnable=false PAPerceptualAQMode=1 PATemporalAQMode=2 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 PASceneChangeDetectionEnable=false PAHighMotionQualityBoostMode=1 PACAQStrength=2
Took me a week of testing stuff and this is the best AMD H264 will get at the moment for Twitch..but even after all of this testing, I'm switching to UA-cam since I bought a RX 6950 XT months ago so HEVC it is for me !
How do find those settings ?
@@itsfmg9194 in your OBS or StreamLabs OBS settings > Output > AMF/FFmpeg.
Then paste the lines there
Can I do 2 pass encoding with amf encoders?
@@NOURNOVEY Pre-Analysis is basically two pass encoding
You're the BEST
starting today i will use hevc, that is what is available to my card
So a 3060 doesn’t have av1 encoder?
Nope
should i use AOM-AV1 or SVT-AV1
I have Amd rx 6600 graphic card and i5 12 gen and My network downloading speed is 25 mbps and uploading is 20-25 mbps which encoder is best for me and how much much bitrate is good for me ....
I hope you can help me
Thnx 🥰
how about record and streaming with intel quick sync?
Nice
então vc particularmente nos seus videos tu usa hevc?
Sim, por causa do programa de edição
Its compatible with my ryzen 9 5900x + 6950xt codec av1?
Watch the video, I explain everything in the Intro
Av1 only on the 7000 series AMD.
What monitor are u using?
Which one
@@AncientGameplays your main, u have multi?, do you know different on av1 4090 or 4000 vs arc intel cards av1 (i saw som vids like av1 9 av1 8 ) what even is that.
@@imrin4059 You won't notice much difference overall trust me. Also, my main monitor is LG 34GN850
What about at very high bitrates (eg. if you have two local devices; a VR headset to a PC, a TV on the network to the PC, etc.)
Hevc and av1 are still better
@@AncientGameplays Actually, I don't think so; some Quest Pro users have been switching to h.264 for lower latency and slightly better performance.
I found this out after I commented, perhaps you should release a video exploring it from your perspective.
love that but somehow other streaming platforms like Tiktok are not having AV1😢
Tiktok? Dude...
@@AncientGameplays Tiktok Studio for streaming, what’s wrong with that?
Pls test av1 codec quality with vmaf in rx7600 vs 4060ti vs a770 in same this video comparison technique
The av1 codec is a big bugged on the 7600 since its the first driver it has, but hevc works perfectly
@@AncientGameplays thx for comment sir! Love your channel! I use HEVC in 6750xt and i love it, i was thinking about av1 upgrade, but... i will wait more time after your commment hahahahah
Should i use my cpu (7800x3d) or my gpu rtx 3060 for obs game recording ? Thank you :))
hey, always the GPU. Much better in terms of performance drop
@@AncientGameplays Thanks for your answer.
Good video
Thanks
hmmm that would explain why my stream and PC was crashing after 1h of using AV1 on my RTX 3080... tutorial didnt rly mention that u should only use it on cards 4000+
Because you're using the cpu av1 mate. What crashed was your cpu and ram most likely. Check the stability
@@AncientGameplays ye probably, just like u said on video :P
its just good to know for now. i might upgrade to 4000+ soon cause of mh wilds so it does not matter that much for now. thx for reply tho