A professor sits with a farmer on a train. Bored, the professor says to the farmer: "I ask you a question, if you can't answer it, you give me $5; then you ask me a question, if I can't answer it, I give you $500, what do you think?" The farmer nods. The professor asks the farmer: "What is the distance between the Earth and the Moon?" The farmer silently takes out $5 and gives it to the professor. The farmer asks the professor: "What animal has three legs when ascending a mountain and four legs when descending a mountain?" The professor thinks hardly but couldn't find an answer, so he reluctantly pulls out $500 for the farmer. The farmer takes the $500 and prepares to nap. The professor asks: "What animal is it!?" The farmer takes out $5 and gives it to the professor, then he falls asleep.
There is a huge difference between intelligence and wisdom. Wisdom is the navigator to guide intelligence in the right direction, and if there's a lot more intelligence than wisdom, it ultimately goes toward rationalizing insanity.
@@markwaters4582and having both head and heart agree also doesn't mean you're right. The heart may sometimes know what the head doesn't or vice versa: but what's right is right regardless of the head or heart (or both) knowing it.
"Lots of people can see what's right without being able to defend it or explain it" I've had this same thought for so long. Good people, who unfortunately can't articulate their positions as well as clever liars and sophistry artists, *_doesn't make them wrong._* So many liars and sophists, are simply truly gifted orators, and masters of persuasion, debate, etc. And soooo many people mistake that as meaning that they must be *_correct._* There's also the manner of them not wanting to be ostracized from their peer-group, for disagreement with the arguments that are more *_sophisticated._* Lest they be dismissed, ironically enough by their fellow mid-wit as supposedly being too stupid to grasp just how correct it is lol. As if the only *_possible_* reason for disagreement, can only be an *_inability to understand the position in the 1st place._* And now you're under the spell of *_preference falsification._* Where many will never escape from. Because we human beings are social creatures, *_and they use that fundamental aspect of human nature, as yet just one among many facets by which to control you._*
@@tanguydelooz2881 Manual labor seems to make you more aware of what "good work" means, as Peterson has said before if you are bad in your intention and action specialy in the real/pragmatic world then the things you are trying to build or repair will fall down because you did not pay or did not care to pay attention. Manual labor is hard so you need to be moral to no degenerate because of the particular psychal toll that takes on you, i know my point is very bad explained but i kind of understand what he means.
Christ could easily outwit any professor. 1 Corinthians 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness"
JP could reflect on that. Much better on his home turf of psychology than messing around in right wing politics with paranoid agitators like Stephen Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson)
Damn, you leftists attacked his work life, tried to revoke his license, attacked him in socmed just for speaking out the nonsense his group is saying (he's surprised to know he's pretty conservative in his ways) and now when he fights back that's what you folk do? I hope you still have a heart, your soul not sold to the "devil"
Learning is a deviation. To create memory engrams and patterns you have to search and find. Stop trying to appear smart it doesn't make you so. Learning is a process of divergence. You don't start from knowing anything. You take things as new each time. That's what JP does. And if you don't you will only keep within your comfortable box of false knowledge and won't be able to think outside the box. Frankly I'm sick of the box and there are very few original thinkers in this world the majority are parroting what you say as well... Very original...
Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Anointed speaks to this issue. People who are drunk on their own intellect and have an 'ends justify the means' type of outlook.
I have spent countless hours listening to podcasts and audio books doing mundane tasks working construction and it's made me far sharper and balanced than any university could have.
If you've come that far without university, the question should be, how much sharper could you be if you did go to university? Its *nearly* always what you make of it. Plus, while academia is far from perfect, I would go there first for reliable information rather than the many pseudo intellectual/science bs podcasts I've come across.
@@user-uh2cr9so8l reliable?… laughable. Many Private Christian schools in Australia still actively teach and preach that the world was created in 7 days, and that dinosaurs and humans co-existed during this time, and that the Big Bang is a hoax. Many private schools teach that the indigenous Australians were uncivilised savages, merely hunters and gatherers. meditate, observe awareness, read books that inspire creativity, and use your own God given consciousness that provides us all with knowledge few trust themselves enough to engage in.
“Lots of people can see what’s right without being able to defend it or explain it. But that doesn’t mean that their vision is wrong, and I really think that’s typical of working class guys who really have to contend with the physical reality of the world. Because if they don’t respond properly to the evidence that’s right in front of them, well, they die. Or the thing they build doesn’t work. I come from a working class background - at least a working class town - and I’ve spent lots of time among educated people and I’ve never lost the sense that the intellect can go very badly wrong. There’s a reason Christ was a carpenter and not a university professor.”
IQ is just the ability to recognize patterns. What modern education encourages is rote memorization, essentially repeating what your teacher has told you enough times until it's committed to memory. You can have an average or even below average IQ and still get diplomas from the top universities, but be completely unable to think for yourself. (Granted most IQ tests can be wildly inaccurate at best and scams at worst, but that's not the point)
That's not really what he''s saying. I think you might be simplifying too much. Intellect isn't a bad thing, we all have it, but you can't rely only on the intellect to get through life. Which is more important to the human body: the head or the heart? You die without either one. They are different, but one is not more necessary for existence than the other.
Absolutely! I've gone to two of the top universities in the world and worked with others from MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech, etc. Highly intelligent people can be some of the most foolish, malevolent, and radical. They spend so much time being told they're brilliant they become in love with their own ideas and opinions, even when its opinions outside their area of expertise.
Yes, I agree fully. I have similar observations. Some of them are so concerned with not being (seen as) wrong that they will twist the facts to fit their hypothesis instead of checking the validity of their hypothesis based on facts.
For some reason I thought this was a Theatrical Play entitled "The Truckers Protest! Blue Collar People Who Know What is Happening, But Not Necessary The Best At Explaining It" Which would be an amazing name for a play
It’s the evil tongue. People can make insidious points to do bad things because they are very articulate and coherent. It’s always heartbreaking to watch videos of people that are in the right but outgunned by words.
I agree, there are many people with a lot of knowledge but not articulate. And then there comes one articulate person with no knowledge and he sounds smarter.
Learning is a deviation. To create memory engrams and patterns you have to search and find. Learning is a process of divergence. You don't start from knowing anything. You take things as new each time. That's what JP does. And if you don't you will only keep within your comfortable box of false knowledge and won't be able to think outside the box. Frankly I'm sick of the box and there are very few original thinkers in this world the majority are parroting what you say as well... Very original...
Exactly. If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be 'good debaters', just people with good opinions. Good debaters can defend their opponent's position as well as they can defend their own.
Very true, as an electrical engineer I can often identify the source of a weird fault (signal noise, unexpected volt drops etc.), without necessarily knowing how.It's something like your subconscious has its own pool of experience, or analytical tools...
I technically have a grade 8 education. Homeless and disabled. I can tell you spot on what is wrong with the world. But no one listens cause they think they are so smart. Wake up. Not much time left to change our ways.
The intellect is not bad. It is created by God and all created things are good. You need your head and your heart both, neither one is more important. Likewise, do not be so quick to dismiss your intellect.
I did not dismiss the intellect in any way. I only said it is the devils playground. Get lost in your intellect and you may wake up with the devil in your head.@@sakamotosan1887
I think the reason you can't really articulate why you follow your moral compass is because, if I'm not mistaken, you learnt these values through a lifetime of experiences. From observing your parents' reactions to various situations as a child, to absorbing moral lessons from stories like 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' or 'The Three Little Pigs,' your sense of right and wrong has been shaped by an accumulation of influences. This process is often implicit and intuitive, making it difficult to pinpoint or explain the exact origins of your moral beliefs.
I was extremely impacted by "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" as a child, and I pretty much never lied, even about small things. It made zero difference in how much people trust me. I have thus discovered that people simply judge you to be more dishonest than they are, that's it.
And that's why you need reason to sift through your experiences and standards you mirrored from others which allows one to reflect and change them. Otherwise we would follow the same programming each time.
Or it can be an intuition, a common sense of what’s right and wrong, a truth so simple only an intellectual could mess it up, because their ego is to big to accept that there are things in life they can’t know.
Ultimately I think it's inappropriate for someone to preach something they themselves haven't fully processed or understood. If you don't know why you believe something, then you could very well be wrong yourself. It's very dangerous to just accept ideas you were indoctrinated with as fact without any kind of review. Ironically that's exactly how very many intelligent and educated people end up defending such idiotic ideas. So the university professor who thinks Marxism is the answer to society and the conservative who thinks everyone should go to church are really just opposing presentations of the same problem, which is people blindly and passionately believing what they were told without rational review
I disagree about it takes a lifetime. Your morals are formed by age 6 by what you see from your parents. Too many children are unplanned and have terrible lives up to age 6 and it shows.
Peterson has the ability to summarize a concept succinctly. It's valuable. Many times he's summarized what I'm thinking and feeling where I was unable to.
Exactly so. Nietzsche, Friedrich - 'There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophy.' Everyone has access to reality. It just requires some honesty. But intellectuals and intellect when are right society prospers but when they go wrong, it is disastrous.
I love that you Mr. Peterson show responsibility in self. Currently rebuilding are we, most of us recreating something better than what we came from experienced so far.
as a working class kinda ventilation guy... I think this is spot on. you got this sense this is gonna be a disaster. (lifting flipping or chainring something) and guess what "gutt feeling" trumps engineers vision every time. If you want to get a task done, and you have two options, your gut feeling (or the sense as dr. peterson put it.) tells you it's this way or crush syndrome, your mind have kind of made all the calculations for you. please don't blindly follow a engineer or managers instruction. their calculations and code is prone to bugs and mistakes, you're brain has evolved for 521 million years... most of the bugges are gone by now. So if you see death in an operation, don't do it. if you have this feeling; (it's dangerous, but have to be done.) it's worth the delay, go to your manager etc. and say "i'm not doing this, unless you make it safe for me and my colleagues" You have a higher responsibility to you kid, wife, girlfriend, mom or even you're sister. you as the performing worker have more to offer the world than a one time use lift jig.
sorry this comment was so large, but it reflects my own experience as someone that does something real manifest, because someone else tells you it's necessary. it's a sacrifice that you need to understand the limit ti.
My husband is a construction technician from a farming family, where he did various types of work while growing up. Years ago, while working for a construction company, he faced a challenging building restoration project. Despite the chief engineers' inability to find a solution for a long time, he encouraged the team, took on risky tasks, and led the project bravely. Ultimately, he succeeded in completing the restoration. He gained so much respect after that, I remember at the time his complaints on how the architects used to look down on him because he was just a technician and not an engineer. Yet he and the working men were the able ones to make the job done.
The more we learn, the more we find out how much more we don’t know. It should be humbling. We may each know part of the truth but none of us are THE truth. Our limited existence ensures this is so.
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless.” So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, - 1 Corinthians 3:18-21
Damn right, good sir, and that's the shit that really sticks in my craw as a guy who has a brain, has always kept it sharp, but am working class through and through, literally lawn mexican adjacent, and those who would dismiss what is right simply because either it's conveyrd too coarsely, or cannot articulately be explained or defended, do not prove themselves intellectually superior, no matter their hubris which causes them to think otherwise
I designed ICs. We helped make antilock-brakes ubiquitous. I trust people who build, who make things...people who "keep the lights on", so to speak. I've known quite a few academics who if they fell off the planet tomorrow, no one would be the wiser...and the lights would stay on.
It then becomes the question, who needs the most guidance or help? Jesus knew. Thank you, Mr. Peterson, for this post. Blessings to you and your family. Hope and Believe. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊.
Honestly one of the reasons I turned hard right over the past few years is seeing the vitriol from my "more intelligent" friends. I know my own limits. But wow, I've witnessed in the space of just 5 or 10 years friends who I always admired for their intelligence degrade into children based on their social media posts. It's been a disillusioning shock and made me reevaluate my own politics and the direction I want for the country.
I agree, many times physical reality doesn’t have to be explained. It is simple to understand to the naked eye. It is what it is, and that is a sign that we should not allow others gaslight us, or even worse, gaslighting leads the youth to don’t trust themselves.
Jordan is correct in this. Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. Intellect is gained through thought. Wisdom is gained through action. That being said I think he needs to take that to heart himself as he is often so obsessed with the minute details of his argument that he often misses the obvious.
I AM 'PROUD' OF BEING 'WORKING CLASS' My Instincts are Acute 'Leader's and Follower's' The only thing I have ever followed are my INSTINCTS 'Common Sense', unfortunately a quality sadly absent in today's generation! 🇬🇧💪
The fool is the one who underestimates these guys: this became even more apparent to me over the past few years, though I've always known it to be true.
When there is nothing else on the table.,it’s really nice to say and hear…,I love you… makes life really worth living… if you wanna argue are you with Jesus teaching it’s never going to go away😑👣feel the pain of privilege and suffering……🐝🐝🐝
I would add an additional point to it all. The working class may know the reality of what they are experiencing. However within a changing environment absent their totems they will not be able to navigate it. Hence they will also need reason and the intellect to construct models and blueprints within their minds to account for those changes. Conversely the intellectuals need to propagate their models into reality and engineer new pathways to create such changes in the first place. So ultimately there's no EITHER/OR division between working class and intellectuals. It's both but each starts from a differing point and ends in the same union of opposites wereby one uses both.
Oh. No wonder "the Carpenters" called themselves "Carpenters" Makes absolute sense, bloody sense. Your job was at risk? What could you say, Phones, SNS, and cyber−securities down to the ditch. My mind is busy upon Hedonism & Marriage. We love & respect your content Jordan.
Can't be put more blantly: There’s a reason Christ was a carpenter, not a university professor. I so agree with this statement, even though I live inside this "university professor" environment...
That’s why those who can talk - salespeople, executives, all kinds of players, can lead a lot of people by the nose. Becoming articulate, if you are not that by nature, is not easy - it takes self confidence and practice, which can come with age and being in the right place. More of “the good guys” need to be articulate.
Perhaps this is actually an instantiation of the post-modern problem. The intellect, up in its ivory tower, can conceive of plenty of things which might be true. Up there, the ideas are unconstrained as they don’t come into contact with reality. The wheels don’t have to hit the road.
I spent time amongst Oxbridge educated people in the Church and they were so institutionalised. It was a shock. I had a dream that I was singing from a different hymn sheet and the leaders were very angry. That was my time to leave.
I was telling someone at the pub why i didn't get the jab. When i build something it doesn't always work first go or doesn't work how it needs to without some modification. The times where everything seems to fall into place and build something in half a day doesn't happen all the time.
Working at an architectural firm was interesting as it was the confluence of blue collar and white collar disciplines. It's true that most of the people in the field know what they're doing, but on occasion we would encounter someone that has been doing something very wrong for the last 30 years. It's those kinds of people that end up doing the most damage.
How many hours do you want to discuss this? At the moment, we’re building Phase 1 and 2 of the upcoming Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. - 20-Years before Jordan entered my life, I wrote a novel about the basic rules of carpentry and how they apply fully to life. - Jordan calls it sub-structure, Plato called it Forms. Same thing. - In carpentery, we call it plumb-level-and square, among other things. - My book, The Carpenter’s Notebook, dives into this. The fence chapter-and the Abyss-pops to mind.
Thank you i stand on my truth. Once someone retires they keep working because if not they do die they dont know what else to do. But you dont have to do that if you know how to do a job give it to others for example young people now days are called millenials etc they dont want to do nothing but expect to be handed to them is not true habe you try to teach them give them a chance? Not all millenials are the same but also the ones who are good at something tbeu keep them to themselves thay logic can go badly wrong what you teach what you do for others is the legacy you will live behind is an extension of you.
I've spent a good amount of time feeling like something is wrong withiut being able to verbalize why, then I would trick myself into thinking it then must not be wrong. Later I work out why exactly it was wrong then wonder why I didn't just let my intuition take the wheel in the first place
In Poland we have this phrase (or phrases) "half-intellectual" (sometimes "quarter-intellectual"). It typically refers to middle-class liberal do-gooders mindlessly believing everything they read in the mainstream media just a moment ago like it's the eternal truth, with a strong feeling of superiority over the common folks who do not. This state of mind is a "cognitive valley" of sorts. I mean, it's a stage at which you are intelligent enough to tune out your instinctive, intuitive sense of right and wrong, and scepticism, but not enough to have developed the critical thinking faculties required to properly replace this intuition.
A professor sits with a farmer on a train.
Bored, the professor says to the farmer: "I ask you a question, if you can't answer it, you give me $5; then you ask me a question, if I can't answer it, I give you $500, what do you think?" The farmer nods. The professor asks the farmer: "What is the distance between the Earth and the Moon?" The farmer silently takes out $5 and gives it to the professor. The farmer asks the professor: "What animal has three legs when ascending a mountain and four legs when descending a mountain?" The professor thinks hardly but couldn't find an answer, so he reluctantly pulls out $500 for the farmer. The farmer takes the $500 and prepares to nap. The professor asks: "What animal is it!?" The farmer takes out $5 and gives it to the professor, then he falls asleep.
The animal is a human, ascending the mountain with a walking stick. And it descends being carried by two different humans.
@@raumograeywolf5477 A walking stick is not a leg
@@TakeHit0Tables and chairs have legs. What is a leg?
@@BurekOne A stick is a leg on a table, not an animal.
@@TakeHit0 is it a stick or a prothetistic leg
There is a huge difference between intelligence and wisdom. Wisdom is the navigator to guide intelligence in the right direction, and if there's a lot more intelligence than wisdom, it ultimately goes toward rationalizing insanity.
Hit the nail on the head
YUP. The smartest decision in D&D was in recognizing that INT and WIS are fundamentally different stats.
Head over heart is logic but it doesn't mean your right!
@@markwaters4582and having both head and heart agree also doesn't mean you're right. The heart may sometimes know what the head doesn't or vice versa: but what's right is right regardless of the head or heart (or both) knowing it.
@@markwaters4582Bumping each time your head in the wall by following your heart doesn't make you wise either...
"Lots of people can see what's right without being able to defend it or explain it"
I've had this same thought for so long.
Good people, who unfortunately can't articulate their positions as well as clever liars and sophistry artists, *_doesn't make them wrong._*
So many liars and sophists, are simply truly gifted orators, and masters of persuasion, debate, etc.
And soooo many people mistake that as meaning that they must be *_correct._*
There's also the manner of them not wanting to be ostracized from their peer-group, for disagreement with the arguments that are more *_sophisticated._*
Lest they be dismissed, ironically enough by their fellow mid-wit as supposedly being too stupid to grasp just how correct it is lol.
As if the only *_possible_* reason for disagreement, can only be an *_inability to understand the position in the 1st place._*
And now you're under the spell of *_preference falsification._*
Where many will never escape from.
Because we human beings are social creatures, *_and they use that fundamental aspect of human nature, as yet just one among many facets by which to control you._*
“There’s a reason Christ was a carpenter, not a university professor.” 😂👍🏻
What's that reason ?
@@tanguydelooz2881 Manual labor seems to make you more aware of what "good work" means, as Peterson has said before if you are bad in your intention and action specialy in the real/pragmatic world then the things you are trying to build or repair will fall down because you did not pay or did not care to pay attention. Manual labor is hard so you need to be moral to no degenerate because of the particular psychal toll that takes on you, i know my point is very bad explained but i kind of understand what he means.
Christ could easily outwit any professor. 1 Corinthians 3:19
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness"
That was a narc comment from him. JESUS died for our sins but not for this.
He washed people's feet and didn't judge
"We're all ignorant when we get off the topic we were trained to do." - Will Rogers
"Religion poisons everything"
Christopher Hitchens
JP could reflect on that. Much better on his home turf of psychology than messing around in right wing politics with paranoid agitators like Stephen Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson)
Damn, you leftists attacked his work life, tried to revoke his license, attacked him in socmed just for speaking out the nonsense his group is saying (he's surprised to know he's pretty conservative in his ways) and now when he fights back that's what you folk do? I hope you still have a heart, your soul not sold to the "devil"
@@anthonybell4554 Indeed.
Learning is a deviation. To create memory engrams and patterns you have to search and find. Stop trying to appear smart it doesn't make you so. Learning is a process of divergence. You don't start from knowing anything. You take things as new each time. That's what JP does. And if you don't you will only keep within your comfortable box of false knowledge and won't be able to think outside the box. Frankly I'm sick of the box and there are very few original thinkers in this world the majority are parroting what you say as well... Very original...
Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Anointed speaks to this issue. People who are drunk on their own intellect and have an 'ends justify the means' type of outlook.
I have spent countless hours listening to podcasts and audio books doing mundane tasks working construction and it's made me far sharper and balanced than any university could have.
AMEN 🙌🙌🙌
Have you been to a university?
If you've come that far without university, the question should be, how much sharper could you be if you did go to university?
Its *nearly* always what you make of it.
Plus, while academia is far from perfect, I would go there first for reliable information rather than the many pseudo intellectual/science bs podcasts I've come across.
@@user-uh2cr9so8l reliable?… laughable. Many Private Christian schools in Australia still actively teach and preach that the world was created in 7 days, and that dinosaurs and humans co-existed during this time, and that the Big Bang is a hoax.
Many private schools teach that the indigenous Australians were uncivilised savages, merely hunters and gatherers.
meditate, observe awareness, read books that inspire creativity, and use your own God given consciousness that provides us all with knowledge few trust themselves enough to engage in.
That's one of the reasons why I like simple work so much!
“Lots of people can see what’s right without being able to defend it or explain it. But that doesn’t mean that their vision is wrong, and I really think that’s typical of working class guys who really have to contend with the physical reality of the world. Because if they don’t respond properly to the evidence that’s right in front of them, well, they die. Or the thing they build doesn’t work. I come from a working class background - at least a working class town - and I’ve spent lots of time among educated people and I’ve never lost the sense that the intellect can go very badly wrong. There’s a reason Christ was a carpenter and not a university professor.”
You are right. Knowing something is right (or wrong) doesn't necessarily mean that you can explain why.
Common sense, not everyone is blessed with.
There are many things that may be learned. Most cannot be simply described on an IQ test.
This is so true. IQ has become WILDLY overrated.
IQ is just the ability to recognize patterns. What modern education encourages is rote memorization, essentially repeating what your teacher has told you enough times until it's committed to memory.
You can have an average or even below average IQ and still get diplomas from the top universities, but be completely unable to think for yourself.
(Granted most IQ tests can be wildly inaccurate at best and scams at worst, but that's not the point)
@@NIMPAK1well said. Also most often the biggest difference between a tradesperson and a Uni grad is the money which gives the opportunity.
True. The smarter you are the more mental problems you have.
Untill you spend a year in central Africa. Then you Will praise it.
That's not what he said.
This is SO right!
Intellect means nothing if the heart is empty and soul is dark.
so, how do you respond to the fact that construction workers have the lowest life expectancy here? lower than police, army and homeless drug addicts?
@@freddykruger3320 Relevance?
@@erikblomqvist8325
Get a job...
@@freddykruger3320 Your comment is a non-sequitur.
That's not really what he''s saying. I think you might be simplifying too much. Intellect isn't a bad thing, we all have it, but you can't rely only on the intellect to get through life. Which is more important to the human body: the head or the heart? You die without either one. They are different, but one is not more necessary for existence than the other.
Absolutely! I've gone to two of the top universities in the world and worked with others from MIT, Stanford, Cal Tech, etc. Highly intelligent people can be some of the most foolish, malevolent, and radical. They spend so much time being told they're brilliant they become in love with their own ideas and opinions, even when its opinions outside their area of expertise.
Yes, I agree fully. I have similar observations. Some of them are so concerned with not being (seen as) wrong that they will twist the facts to fit their hypothesis instead of checking the validity of their hypothesis based on facts.
@@brndxt Exactly right! It goes directly against the methods they are supposed to be adhering to.
Agreed
We saw this play out with the Truckers protest! Blue collar people who knew what was happening, but not necessarily the best at articulating it.
For some reason I thought this was a Theatrical Play entitled "The Truckers Protest! Blue Collar People Who Know What is Happening, But Not Necessary The Best At Explaining It"
Which would be an amazing name for a play
The light of the mind alone cannot burn away all darkness
It’s the evil tongue. People can make insidious points to do bad things because they are very articulate and coherent. It’s always heartbreaking to watch videos of people that are in the right but outgunned by words.
I agree, there are many people with a lot of knowledge but not articulate. And then there comes one articulate person with no knowledge and he sounds smarter.
Learning is a deviation. To create memory engrams and patterns you have to search and find. Learning is a process of divergence. You don't start from knowing anything. You take things as new each time. That's what JP does. And if you don't you will only keep within your comfortable box of false knowledge and won't be able to think outside the box. Frankly I'm sick of the box and there are very few original thinkers in this world the majority are parroting what you say as well... Very original...
Happens a lot to the people on the left. They get verbally outgunned by people like Shapiro, Michael Knowles, JP, Charlie Kirk, Crowder, etc..
It's the way moral relativism works.
Exactly. If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be 'good debaters', just people with good opinions. Good debaters can defend their opponent's position as well as they can defend their own.
Very true, as an electrical engineer I can often identify the source of a weird fault (signal noise, unexpected volt drops etc.), without necessarily knowing how.It's something like your subconscious has its own pool of experience, or analytical tools...
I technically have a grade 8 education. Homeless and disabled. I can tell you spot on what is wrong with the world. But no one listens cause they think they are so smart. Wake up. Not much time left to change our ways.
Amen brother! The intellect is the devil's playground.
The intellect is not bad. It is created by God and all created things are good. You need your head and your heart both, neither one is more important. Likewise, do not be so quick to dismiss your intellect.
I did not dismiss the intellect in any way. I only said it is the devils playground. Get lost in your intellect and you may wake up with the devil in your head.@@sakamotosan1887
I think the reason you can't really articulate why you follow your moral compass is because, if I'm not mistaken, you learnt these values through a lifetime of experiences. From observing your parents' reactions to various situations as a child, to absorbing moral lessons from stories like 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' or 'The Three Little Pigs,' your sense of right and wrong has been shaped by an accumulation of influences. This process is often implicit and intuitive, making it difficult to pinpoint or explain the exact origins of your moral beliefs.
I was extremely impacted by "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" as a child, and I pretty much never lied, even about small things. It made zero difference in how much people trust me. I have thus discovered that people simply judge you to be more dishonest than they are, that's it.
And that's why you need reason to sift through your experiences and standards you mirrored from others which allows one to reflect and change them. Otherwise we would follow the same programming each time.
Or it can be an intuition, a common sense of what’s right and wrong, a truth so simple only an intellectual could mess it up, because their ego is to big to accept that there are things in life they can’t know.
Ultimately I think it's inappropriate for someone to preach something they themselves haven't fully processed or understood. If you don't know why you believe something, then you could very well be wrong yourself. It's very dangerous to just accept ideas you were indoctrinated with as fact without any kind of review. Ironically that's exactly how very many intelligent and educated people end up defending such idiotic ideas. So the university professor who thinks Marxism is the answer to society and the conservative who thinks everyone should go to church are really just opposing presentations of the same problem, which is people blindly and passionately believing what they were told without rational review
I disagree about it takes a lifetime. Your morals are formed by age 6 by what you see from your parents. Too many children are unplanned and have terrible lives up to age 6 and it shows.
Peterson has the ability to summarize a concept succinctly.
It's valuable.
Many times he's summarized what I'm thinking and feeling where I was unable to.
Wise men and shepherds come to Christ, but the shepherds get there first.
Deep
Love your text 🙏🙏🙏
That's a good quotable saying
Exactly so. Nietzsche, Friedrich - 'There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophy.' Everyone has access to reality. It just requires some honesty. But intellectuals and intellect when are right society prospers but when they go wrong, it is disastrous.
I love that you Mr. Peterson show responsibility in self.
Currently rebuilding are we, most of us recreating something better than what we came from experienced so far.
as a working class kinda ventilation guy... I think this is spot on. you got this sense this is gonna be a disaster. (lifting flipping or chainring something) and guess what "gutt feeling" trumps engineers vision every time.
If you want to get a task done, and you have two options, your gut feeling (or the sense as dr. peterson put it.) tells you it's this way or crush syndrome, your mind have kind of made all the calculations for you. please don't blindly follow a engineer or managers instruction. their calculations and code is prone to bugs and mistakes, you're brain has evolved for 521 million years... most of the bugges are gone by now. So if you see death in an operation, don't do it. if you have this feeling; (it's dangerous, but have to be done.) it's worth the delay, go to your manager etc. and say "i'm not doing this, unless you make it safe for me and my colleagues" You have a higher responsibility to you kid, wife, girlfriend, mom or even you're sister.
you as the performing worker have more to offer the world than a one time use lift jig.
sorry this comment was so large, but it reflects my own experience as someone that does something real manifest, because someone else tells you it's necessary. it's a sacrifice that you need to understand the limit ti.
My husband is a construction technician from a farming family, where he did various types of work while growing up. Years ago, while working for a construction company, he faced a challenging building restoration project. Despite the chief engineers' inability to find a solution for a long time, he encouraged the team, took on risky tasks, and led the project bravely. Ultimately, he succeeded in completing the restoration. He gained so much respect after that, I remember at the time his complaints on how the architects used to look down on him because he was just a technician and not an engineer. Yet he and the working men were the able ones to make the job done.
Yes. A common man would not say ,,give them hell"
Absolutely!
Right and wrong is written in our hearts and souls !
Many intellectuals don’t understand this.
The more we learn, the more we find out how much more we don’t know. It should be humbling. We may each know part of the truth but none of us are THE truth. Our limited existence ensures this is so.
The motto of the working class when speaking to academic elites is "If you can't blind them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit😅"
Every crisis of our own making had an army of academics behind it.
Human nature
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless.” So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you,
- 1 Corinthians 3:18-21
Amen
Absolutely, nothing equals humility and common sense. Thank you Dr Peterson.
Damn right, good sir, and that's the shit that really sticks in my craw as a guy who has a brain, has always kept it sharp, but am working class through and through, literally lawn mexican adjacent, and those who would dismiss what is right simply because either it's conveyrd too coarsely, or cannot articulately be explained or defended, do not prove themselves intellectually superior, no matter their hubris which causes them to think otherwise
Well it's always valid to say "no because it disgust me, I will think about it but it just doesn't sit well with me"
Ugh as an atheist don't like the Bible stuff.. but I respect it... but as usual .. a brilliant but obvious observation that should be stated regularly
I designed ICs. We helped make antilock-brakes ubiquitous. I trust people who build, who make things...people who "keep the lights on", so to speak. I've known quite a few academics who if they fell off the planet tomorrow, no one would be the wiser...and the lights would stay on.
Smart people are the hardest to correct because, well, they know it all!
It then becomes the question, who needs the most guidance or help? Jesus knew. Thank you, Mr. Peterson, for this post. Blessings to you and your family. Hope and Believe. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊.
Honestly one of the reasons I turned hard right over the past few years is seeing the vitriol from my "more intelligent" friends. I know my own limits. But wow, I've witnessed in the space of just 5 or 10 years friends who I always admired for their intelligence degrade into children based on their social media posts. It's been a disillusioning shock and made me reevaluate my own politics and the direction I want for the country.
Outstanding..
I agree, many times physical reality doesn’t have to be explained. It is simple to understand to the naked eye. It is what it is, and that is a sign that we should not allow others gaslight us, or even worse, gaslighting leads the youth to don’t trust themselves.
Brilliant. Thank you Mr. JBP.
Scripture makes the claim. Earth was made with wisdom… Heaven was made with understanding.
Intellect should go hand in hand with intuition and basic manual skills !
Jordan is correct in this. Knowledge and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. Intellect is gained through thought. Wisdom is gained through action.
That being said I think he needs to take that to heart himself as he is often so obsessed with the minute details of his argument that he often misses the obvious.
that's cuz if we think hard ; truth and reality are the same thing. as master Schrodinger so amazingly wrote on his cat!!!
You describe me. I use common sense and strong intuition.
The virtue of knowledge is not the same as the virtue of wisdom. With wisdom, you can remain silent yet grow in virtue.
There was a reason Christ was a carpenter and not a university professor
There was a reason the “scholars” and the Pharisees tried to silence him
Very true
He is talking about himself.
(Give them heal)
I AM 'PROUD' OF BEING 'WORKING CLASS'
My Instincts are Acute
'Leader's and Follower's'
The only thing I have ever followed are my INSTINCTS
'Common Sense', unfortunately a quality sadly absent in today's generation!
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YOU SIR ARE BRILLIANT... and You are so RESPECTED....
Prof. Peterson you have a split personality when you're posting on X😳
Oh, how nice it must be to be able to build things! 👍😃
I understand this you have to invest time in your craft or you have not experienced it we make mistakes but you learn the hard lessons.
The fool is the one who underestimates these guys: this became even more apparent to me over the past few years, though I've always known it to be true.
When there is nothing else on the table.,it’s really nice to say and hear…,I love you… makes life really worth living… if you wanna argue are you with Jesus teaching it’s never going to go away😑👣feel the pain of privilege and suffering……🐝🐝🐝
Wow that last quote hit hard
This man is a gift
Thanks God Amen 🙏
I love his suit and tie . Whole style is fire 🔥
Who would we miss more if absent from work for a week in London , UNI Profesors or Rubbish collectors ?
It's time we value and respect both !
Agreed
I would add an additional point to it all. The working class may know the reality of what they are experiencing. However within a changing environment absent their totems they will not be able to navigate it. Hence they will also need reason and the intellect to construct models and blueprints within their minds to account for those changes. Conversely the intellectuals need to propagate their models into reality and engineer new pathways to create such changes in the first place. So ultimately there's no EITHER/OR division between working class and intellectuals. It's both but each starts from a differing point and ends in the same union of opposites wereby one uses both.
Articulating yourself well is paramount.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
-George Orwell.
" I come from a working class background... or at least a working class town"
What a tool.
Oh. No wonder "the Carpenters" called themselves "Carpenters"
Makes absolute sense, bloody sense.
Your job was at risk?
What could you say, Phones, SNS, and cyber−securities down to the ditch.
My mind is busy upon Hedonism & Marriage.
We love & respect your content Jordan.
Can't be put more blantly: There’s a reason Christ was a carpenter, not a university professor.
I so agree with this statement, even though I live inside this "university professor" environment...
You can always trust Peterson to get to the point👏
That’s why those who can talk - salespeople, executives, all kinds of players, can lead a lot of people by the nose. Becoming articulate, if you are not that by nature, is not easy - it takes self confidence and practice, which can come with age and being in the right place. More of “the good guys” need to be articulate.
You are A Brother In
Jesus Christ Jordan .
I am glad you are .
Perhaps this is actually an instantiation of the post-modern problem. The intellect, up in its ivory tower, can conceive of plenty of things which might be true. Up there, the ideas are unconstrained as they don’t come into contact with reality. The wheels don’t have to hit the road.
The wise ones of Judea of old all had working class-type professions.
Spot on. Absolutely true.
What Jordan needs is a little more humor in his life. A little more lightheartedness and laughter
Good on you my friend; wise words
Cheers to everyone thanks Dr.
There's a reason Jesus was a carpenter and not a university professor -- great quote
I spent time amongst Oxbridge educated people in the Church and they were so institutionalised. It was a shock. I had a dream that I was singing from a different hymn sheet and the leaders were very angry. That was my time to leave.
Amen Brother!
The best Phd, is one that is a Farmer by profession. . If you have ever met one, then you know exactly what I am talking about.
Love the "Christ was a carpenter" comment..!
Ooh, I really like the green tie!
I was telling someone at the pub why i didn't get the jab. When i build something it doesn't always work first go or doesn't work how it needs to without some modification. The times where everything seems to fall into place and build something in half a day doesn't happen all the time.
My love is a tinkerer. It’s in his blood. He can fix anything. And what he doesn’t know he’ll UA-cam. Mechanical men are the new finance bros.
That's a beatiful tie
Love the tie Jordan 👍👍
Working at an architectural firm was interesting as it was the confluence of blue collar and white collar disciplines. It's true that most of the people in the field know what they're doing, but on occasion we would encounter someone that has been doing something very wrong for the last 30 years. It's those kinds of people that end up doing the most damage.
Don't be blinded by good storytelling.
Exactly, Jordan... But the disciples turned into good intellectuals with the Holy Ghost. ❤
How many hours do you want to discuss this? At the moment, we’re building Phase 1 and 2 of the upcoming Extreme Makeover: Home Edition. - 20-Years before Jordan entered my life, I wrote a novel about the basic rules of carpentry and how they apply fully to life. - Jordan calls it sub-structure, Plato called it Forms. Same thing. - In carpentery, we call it plumb-level-and square, among other things. - My book, The Carpenter’s Notebook, dives into this. The fence chapter-and the Abyss-pops to mind.
Thank you i stand on my truth. Once someone retires they keep working because if not they do die they dont know what else to do. But you dont have to do that if you know how to do a job give it to others for example young people now days are called millenials etc they dont want to do nothing but expect to be handed to them is not true habe you try to teach them give them a chance? Not all millenials are the same but also the ones who are good at something tbeu keep them to themselves thay logic can go badly wrong what you teach what you do for others is the legacy you will live behind is an extension of you.
I'm A working class guy I can also explain support and defend my arguments and opinions
Makes me feel better about being a carpenter 😅
Intelligence is not equal to Wisdom. The smartest people have both.
I've spent a good amount of time feeling like something is wrong withiut being able to verbalize why, then I would trick myself into thinking it then must not be wrong. Later I work out why exactly it was wrong then wonder why I didn't just let my intuition take the wheel in the first place
"Those that were found in His Book Of Life".
In Poland we have this phrase (or phrases) "half-intellectual" (sometimes "quarter-intellectual").
It typically refers to middle-class liberal do-gooders mindlessly believing everything they read in the mainstream media just a moment ago like it's the eternal truth, with a strong feeling of superiority over the common folks who do not.
This state of mind is a "cognitive valley" of sorts. I mean, it's a stage at which you are intelligent enough to tune out your instinctive, intuitive sense of right and wrong, and scepticism, but not enough to have developed the critical thinking faculties required to properly replace this intuition.
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