Jordan Peterson Calmly HUMBLES Woman Who Says Men & Women Aren't Equal Yet
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- Jordan Peterson debates and bring up some great points when discussing equal pay.
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Jordan peterson sounds like the sober one because he knows when to stop and listen. That's a big part of his job. Actually listening to patients and observing. Why do people want to force others to be like them? If some girl wants to not be a lesbian then why force them to be. That's communist level population control.
Peterson's information and his usage is always interesting at the very least and often difficult to debate, but to be fair, you can find data and studies that support almost anything. Dropping "data" is not the end all of debating. One still has to know the limitations, variables, etc., of the study to be able to use it well. One still has to understand the context and discourse. This is what makes Peterson stand out among the rest.
Lol, who ever she is - she cited all her studies and data for discussion. Jordan Peterson just sprout whatever his beliefs are without citation other than the Scandinavian. Jordan Peterson can only pull the wool over narrow minded and always lean on anecdotal. According to US census, female in STEM has increased from 19% in 1970 to 64% in 2019. LOL 🤣
who's the ignorant commentor we don't need? with the detroit accent? really that's the best we can do for a commentor? someone with a 3rd grade education? he slurs his words , like he's eating spaghetti at the same time....."be like that" whatever.....these ignorant people stealing other peoples clips so they can rant on and on and on and not hear JP is stoopid.
Apparently you don't know how the court works
I am Norwegian, living in Norway, one of the most egalitarian countries in the world.
Because of free choice, women choose to work with people and men choose to work with things.
Free choice = gender roles are reaffirmed.
PS: She said "there is no country in the world where women are equal".. She is literally lying.
In one respect she is telling the truth. Men and Women really are not equal. Because they are different. They are not interchangeable.
That’s an important point Peterson makes, and one that he expands on in another one of his talks. Men and women are largely the same, men being a little more skewed towards things and women more towards people. But at the extremes: engineering on one end and child care on the other, you will find a predominance of men on one side and women on the other. And there’s nothing wrong with that. DEI goals in those extreme fields are ridiculous.
She is intellectually lazy.
@@draconusspiritus1037then they should stop pining for equality. They will never be men
@@draconusspiritus1037 you can be equal while still being different
"He looks like the sober guy talking to drunk people." Quote of the Day! Awesome!
He's an actual drug addict
@@TarverMcclelland was* hes recovered and even after that past still smarter and more logical than anyone on that show xD
xD
He usually talks to just 1-2 that use their brain like they're drunk. And we get to see that because it's funnier for the audience.
Lol @ you not being able to see someone who is clearly still using. @@crucialcubing773
You can see with his fiddling of the pen the whole time he's extremely bored in the interview. He knows he's not going to convince or sway the host or that woman. One telling thing for me was how he had a single sheet of notes in front of him while the woman had an entire folder scattered about. He knew his material and evidence and could talk succinctly about it, while the woman danced around on platitudes or scrambled to find an answer in the many sheets infront of her.
"The worst form of inequality is to try and make unequal things equal.” - Aristotle
😍👏👏
#Bars
1/3 is never gonna be exactly 100 when its times by 3
This is brilliant
@@fikemifemi-fred9176 lol, yeah a quote from an ancient Greece, where women had no rights to vote/own land/inherit, slaves were de rigueur, and kiddy fiddlers were mainstream. Good one.
As it currently stands in the United States, women not only have equal rights, but they also have more rights than men.
That's what I wrote in professional school in the subject "political education" 15 years ago in austria.
The whole west is tilting towards female dominance. Women are better protected by law which is somewhat logical since men are stronger than women, altough in our modern times we have enough weapons and tools that can be used as weapons to negate that. My 15 % thicker skin will not block a kitchen knife for example.
On the other side there are social protections in place for women. These are natural. A man, not a manlett though, will seek and try to protect women. That is logical since women are by nature more valuable than men since a man can, theoretically, impregnate a different woman each day but once a woman is pregnant she is out of the reproduction game for quite a while and child birth was always a dangerous thing with a rather large percentage of women dying when giving birth without modern sanitary meassures which means historically many women were only able to produce one offspring before their early death.
So women are protected basically on every layer of society. Which makes sense. But instead of being happy about it and appreciating it they cry about not having enough rights. 😐
Then it's not equal rights if they have more
@@monsterak471, that's the point. The idea that certain women keep arguing for "equal rights" is absurd when they do in fact have more rights and benefits over men.
Not only do they have more rights, but more opportunities, especially with the DEI policies being enacted all over. Jobs will quickly fill up their slots for male workers, and competition for those positions is fierce. This is especially true in any government positions. I worked 3 years on a contract, and there was one team manager position that was almost always open. Reason being it was the one DEI slot for whatever woman wanted the position, and I literally mean they just had to apply and they'd get it. Problem was, all of those manager positions required extra work, expectations were higher, and you were accountable for what your team produced. A woman would get the slot, last about 3-5 weeks, and then quit. for almost 2 years I was the "backup" manager that had to cover that position, however I was never allowed to have the role or pay since it was exclusively for women.
Even more opportunities can be seen when it comes for all the financial aid and programs out there to try and encourage women to get certain degrees in college. I literally had the financial aid person at college tell me one time that it was too bad I wasn't a woman because they had 3 full ride scholarships that were about to expire after 5 years of just sitting there, but there was nothing available to help a man pay for the same degree plan. What degree you may wonder? A business admin degree focused on financial analysis.
Women have more rights than men almost everywhere these days
She kept saying the difference between her and Jordan but the actual difference is about 70 IQ points
And an ability to entertain cause to effect in logical scenarios. This woman wants equality of outcome with the men producing all of the resources.
@@loganblackwood2922 She wants her opinion to hold equal weight to the data that contradicts it.
More like a 90 point difference.
@@simongross3122 Very well put!
i think they both had IQ points to spare , wish some would drop my way
Jordan always comes with facts and logic. Not wants and feelings.
He's always the voice of reason too.
Show me some data about the "negative" effects of what the Scandinavians do because Jordan never does that. He takes advantage of his "academic" stature and states some facts that make.no sense. I have been in Sweden and Denmark, I ha a sister and a niece there and what Jordan says is total nonsense.
Women don't do Logic and Reason.
@zberteoc First, you can go ahead and be more careful about his "academic" stature, because he is a practiced Clinical Psychologist so your quotations around the word is just smarmy bullshit. Second, the studiea that Jordan is talking about reach back to when I was studying Behavioural Psychology which was several decades ago. Third, the closest this woman you're white-knighting for gets to "facts" is to casually mention obviously Leftist studies from Leftist universities. Oh, you know two people in all of Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway? Well that settles it then! Case closed! Sit down, sport.
@@zberteoc what negative effects are you talking about? I think you’ve missed his point - which is that you don’t get equal outcomes in societies where you have equal opportunities. The more you allow men and women to choose, the more inequality you will get at a population level - as they will, on average, choose different things.
There’s nothing negative about it unless you believe that having (forcing) 50/50 representation everywhere (at the expense of individual choice and freedom) would somehow be a positive - why?
The point is that people like this woman - who think that ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’ are the same thing and if everyone had access to the same opportunities then everything everywhere would be equal - is not only wrong but pretty much the opposite of reality - this is what the Scandinavia example proves and there’s nothing inherently negative about it. What part of what he said do you think was nonsense?
100,000 women went on strike in Iceland for one day. HR departments said they didn't receive a single complaint and the country increased its productivity...Need we say more
That’s just false
@@kaigribble1300 Of course it’s false. Perhaps you’ve missed his point. AI will make everything abundantly clear in the near future.
@@whywhenwhere4377 ur a special ed and don’t live in society obv
My hotel room didn't get cleaned. Everything else seemed fine.
@@thorium9082 Most of them don't get cleaned that well anyway...
It's about positions of power as Peterson has said before.
They don't want true equality , they want to be in positions of power.
Any woman can become a bricklayer, North Sea welder etc but they don't want these jobs.
They also don’t have the physical strength or mentality to do so.
I once had a job building/servicing cell phone towers. Pay was really good, not great. Usually climbed 200', sometimes as much as 1,000'. Pretty dangerous, but wasn't necessarily "physically demanding". No reason a woman Wouldn't be able to do it... zero females ever applied in the company's history.
I work at a coal mine with very good pay and benefits. Out of approximately 600 employees, only 2 women have stayed more than a couple years. Most do not last 6 months. They get equal pay but are expected to perform the same work with the same outcome in production. They want equal pay for less work. I would also like to add that both women still working there came straight out of the military.
@@wxdad6256 I’ve never heard of a female mine worker, I just can’t imagine them putting in the amount of production as men.
Ha, no any woman could not
Tennis Grand Slam tournaments now have the same prize money for men and women.
Women play the best of 3 sets.
Men play the best of 5.
How is that equal pay for equal work???
“Andy Murray, he’s been joking about myself and him playing a match. I’m like, ‘Andy, seriously, are you kidding me?’ For me, mens’ tennis and womens’ tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game. I love to play women’s tennis. I only want to play girls, because i don’t want to be embarrassed. I would not do the tour, I would not do Billie Jean [King] any disservice. So Andy, stop it. I’m not going to let you kill me.” David Letterman show 2013
Exactly. It means women are getting paid more per hour, which is unfair to men.
Women get more in tennis, 100%
The actual reason is women's tennis tends to be more entertaining than men's to the actual fan. Women's tennis has longer volleys. Men's 2-3 hits per point, that's it. Same reason when Rhonda Rousey was dominating the UFC, she was the highest paid fighter, because she was drawing in the most money. That's how it should be. And that's why when WNBA stars say they should get paid more, they get laughed out of the building. Their organization literally loses money every year and is only afloat because of the NBA. Women's soccer negotiated to get paid less because they wanted guaranteed money and benefits, then sued because the were getting paid "less" (Court findings determined they actually made more, but that's besides the point)
@@ericswart3786 put aside your argument about entertainment. (Because YOU yourself stated economics with the other sports) which brings in more money? Men's or women's tennis? Case closed
Over my 40 years of working I have seen that men were willing and able to work OT, travel for work, and take less time off. These things have values and people who are willing to do these things should be paid more.
You must only work with men then because I have worked with women that have the same work ethic you describe.
I have never seen a feminist who actually knows wtf she's talking about, and sticks to real facts.
One question i would've loved to hear from Jordan is : If women wants equality , why are physical tests lowered in areas like firedemartment, police, FBI, army etc etc where you have to pass physical tests in order to be accepted.
Why aren't women seriously fighting for the divorce laws, child custody laws, domestic violence laws and false accusation laws to be made fairer to men?????
It favours them.
Femunists do not want equality, they want special treatment for women only!
You're assuming that these women care for men in general.
Haha when pigs fly mate.
The equality movement died, its now a matriarchal movement to usurp unilateral power in every situation they can get away with instead of equality.
Men clapping back by not giving them the time of day and fighting their lies with lawsuits.
Women don't go into STEM fields because they don't want to.
Which I believe to be totally fine so long as they aren't blaming "patriarchy" for the lack of women in the STEM fields.
Also because its generally black and white. The correct answer doesn't care about your feelings. Designing something poorly or installing equipment incorrectly is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. It works, or it doesn't work. The lady in this video would get fired in any results-driven industry.
Or blame the patriarchy for unequal pay when women choose more social fields of employment working with the general public like teachers who don't even make half what an engineer makes.
@@Rickydiculus The average pay for teachers is $63K, which is not only higher than the national average for women, but men as well. The problem is two fold; spending money improperly makes it appear as if someone is earning more than the bad spender on top of believing the narrative that men are paid more for just being men.✌️
The majority of women would not consider a job as a bricklayer. I can't believe this crap is even being argued.
@@dobbsmill3676 Seriously, right?! 😅
The list including bricklayers is vast and many women don't even know about many jobs that have to be done for them to live in the manner that they do.
The female guest treated Jordan’s book like she does her research studies. She skims it until she find one piece that supports her argument and then she cherry picks it out.
Yes, horrible. Very machiavellic.
In other words - Rule 9 from Jordan's book! 🤪
In my field of airport operations, women who take up the job make EXACTLY the same hourly wage the men do. The OPPORTUNITY is there… if they want it.
As a private pilot, let's just say there was a female operator in the tower, in class D airspace, that ATC just couldn't seem to get rid of... she got passed around, from airport to airport. I'm not sure if it was supervisors that wanted her gone, due to risk, or pilots that complained about her professionalism... but she didn't last long at KWHP, she got rotated out pretty quickly. A had a few pilots tell me to really be on my toes when she was in the tower, and keep my head on a 360 degrees swivel when she was in control. They didn't feel she made the skies safer with her abilities.
@@feloniousmonk3049 That's (probably) just a skill issue though, not a gender issue where women are inherently worse than men, at least from my outsider perspective.
JP reminds me of a disappointed dad who knows he has to talk to his kid but the reason is so unbelievably stupid he can't believe he actually has to talk to them
It's like a normal dad, telling a kid not to put their hand in a fire. The kid says, "why?". 🙄
So, he's like every Dad then.
@@sonofsandwiches6892 Old dad here. Once your children reach their 30s, they become more traditional than you remember being at that age.
Basically … he was bored with them. The caller had the the most thought provoking comment.
Well women are like kids, they need protection and security
Oh god, Protect Dr. Jordan Peterson....he's our most important Canadian. 👍
Are you sure it's not Tom McDonald?
He is a world asset.
Yall don't even want him there. They are trying to take his medical license and his ability to teach. Gonna run him from the country.
Well, he was number two until the passing of Neil Elwood Peart.
Share the difference....Canadian/Human being. Tied for first in importance, IMO.
It’s equity she wants, not equality.
i wouldn't even argue equity since she advocates getting more for less. its not about equal opportunity, its not about equal pay for equal jobs. its about "better for me but not thee"
She wants "equity" because it's a vague, emotiuoabllly loaded buzz word incapable of definition.
She doesn’t want either equality nor equity
She wants dominance
She wants to be treated like a queen
While men are treated like chattel
Nope
Women want....
The AUTHORITY of a man.
The ADVANTAGE of a woman.
The ACCOUNTABILITY of a child.
Only in US 😂
Definitely in the US I see it firsthand all the time lol
acting like one doesn't out way the other since man authority trumps the woman advantage in every most every scenario, but domestics cases in which majority of the time it either a man doing it or both them.
What???!!😂😂
And vice versa!
Woman says she wants to equalise opportunities and choice and yet 5 mins earlier says she wants equality of outcome which are exact opposites. Not very bright is she?
Well, this is the issue with dumb people being given voices. She probably lied and cheated her way through life.
She wants both. She wants women to be able to choose to work in social media marketing and make the same money and get the same praise as a surgeon.
She wants the benefits of communism without paying the terrible price.
I find it quite astonishing how she manages to completely misunderstand the first question in the video, which she was asked twice btw. Speaks volumes about her intelligence.
@@nightmareTomek she didnt misunderstand it. she's being evasive and dishonest.
@@ukbloke28 No she's not. She knows that being evasive would make her look dumb and she doesn't want to look dumb. Dishonest she could have been even when answering the question properly. Too bad you can't deduct this on your own.
She completely oblivious to the fact she's ignoring rule 9 while quoting it
Jordan was busy completely ignoring rule 9 which is why she brought it up. Try to study his body language with her.
I work in a high level in I.T. at a fortune 200 company. There are a lot of women "in I.T." and only 4 I can think of that actually work in I.T.
Most women are in management positions (almost all within the last 3 years specifically for DEI). Some are in baseline application support which is to say they are basically walking instruction manuals for low level meeting applications like Teams. They don't fix when things break, they don't do coding or build the image we load on computers, they don't even put equipment in the hands of the user. On average, women don't want to do the actual work. They want positions of affluence and notoriety where minimal effort is involved. Thats why HR is overwhelmingly dominated by women when most of what they do could be automated with a low level AI interface.
women want all the benefits of being a man but no drawbacks.
She’s basically saying “I’m interested in studies that support my prejudices”
Women lisen but dont hear !!!! Tell me some thing new
Ask a woman to say sorry is liking talking to a brick wall
She was definitely going hard for those American studies rather than the Scandinavian ones. As an American, I believe that the Scandinavian studies are more representative of the truth. Men and women are different - women are interested in people and men are interested in things. That's why STEM fields (or really, any other categories) will never be equal unless there are forced quotas or something similar.
Jordan was also saying “I’m interested in studies that support my prejudices”
@@pseudonym5872 All studies have flaws.
@@jenmorgan8131 And? What's your point? Do you honestly believe that in a perfect world of absolute choice with no prejudices, that the majority of men and women would choose the same careers? If you do, you're an idiot.
She wants executive pay for entry level work.🤣
Equality of opportunity is ALL we can strive for. Equality of outcome requires prejudicial decisions .
That's exactly right
Equality of outcome = communism, and we had that experiment. Equality of opportunity and the installation of competence hierarchies where the most competent people get the most responsible work is what the endgame should be
They are too stupid to comprehend that.
You can't guarantee that either. It leads to the same situation as "equality."
Equality of opportunity is an unattainable and undesirable goal. We'd all have to have the same physical proportions to have equal opportunities to play professional basketball. Even then, differences in hand-eye coordination, palm size, etc. would create unequal opportunity.
Reminds me of what happened between myself and my wife. She made a higher hourly wage than I did, but I had more money in my paycheck. The reason for the disparity? She chose to go home instead of working. So I had many more hours than she did, resulting in my higher paycheck.
Are you jealous of her ability to take some time off? Would you do the same if you made a better hourly rate?
@@jenmorgan8131 I was pointing out that I had a better paycheck than she did because of our working habits. Women and men have different priorities in the workplace.
If I had the better hourly rate, I would have continued to work so I could better provide for my familty and make up for her smaller paychecks.
@@jenmorgan8131
Women work fewer hours.
Some people are absolutely unashamed to not just be stupid, but to impose their stupidity on others...
The worst enemies of a woke: Facts and logic!
😂
A great man once said, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but there will always be something to offend a feminist.", Peter Lloyd
That was a brilliant quip. It was hilarious watching the "lady" nearly implode with self righteous indignation and being oblivious of how well she made his point for him.
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This is the same woman who said "stop stating facts to direct the debate in the way you want it to go", as she was absolutely destroyed by a member of the Young Conservatives at a London university 😆
If an employer pays women less than men for the same work, why does he employ men at all?
Because of the bias that men will do better job. Your argument is flawed because there was time when women actually were paid less and yet men were still employed.
They say that a woman’s work is never done. Which is why they get paid less.
not pc..but funny
@@myrdaal not pc is why it's funny, pc literally works too remove the funny wherever it finds any
Sean Lock. RIP.
lol what a burn
What is truly amazing is how short society's memory is. This wage gap issue was beaten like a dead horse with 2nd Wave Feminism back in the 1970s and 1980s. All the arguments were made on both sides back then. The U.S. government and academia pushed STEM on women back then and corporations gave preference to hiring and promoting women in STEM positions. It didn't work in the long term because of women's natural inclinations and desires. That hasn't changed in over 50 years since, and it won't change in another 50 years.
I believe Sweden also tried something similar in the 80s, and it also failed to get women into any STEM fields. Very few did, and very few still do go in it.
Kinda shows that it just doesn't work. There are a few woman that maybe an exception, but they are the exception, not the norm or a large enough percentile of the female population to be used as a foothold in such matters.
if you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. And this is but 1 example.
I did chemistry, an the first year we had about 15-20% women in the first year, second year however it dropped to ~8%
There is a great Thomas Sowell interview from like the late 70's where he crushes a feminist in a debate about the wage gap. It's true that this should have been settled 40 years ago. We are being led around by malevolent fools.
The wage gap thing is a bust. Any "Studies" that say it is still around are manipulated and flawed. They will compare part time annual income to full time and say they aren't then same. they will also not compare the same kind of roles within a company. They also refuse to check compensation by hour worked, because when that occurs it is found that since men tend to work significantly more hours than women the gap is actually more like men earn $.85 to each dollar a woman earns per hour worked.
At the company I work in the Netherlands women get 100 euros more a month for the same job and working hours. Now where is that equal?
Time to sue.
Hats off to Mr. Peterson for keeping a level head and for taking this woman to SCHOOL!
He always keeps a cool head. Shows real character.
@@lips3996 But what does his body language say?
@@jenmorgan8131 That he's annoyed by stupidity.
Sweet lies are allways more conveniant than bitter truth!
I honestly do feel sorry for her. She's more free than she can possibly process. But she's obviously completely miserable.
Something is wrong in her head.
She's been told that women are victims.
She's chosen to believe it.
That means that *she* feels like one.
Cause and effect.
@nyetzdyec3391 absolutely. Women like this are truly the female equivalent of incels
There's some kinda romanticism in them believing that they're being oppressed. It's their purpose to play victims
She could impress me by getting a job as a bricklayer.
She doesn't seem like a miserable woman at all.
First she says "freedom" then she says "equality". The two are opposites, if you have freedom you won't get equality and vice versa.
Equality is similar to freedom, it is having equal opportunity. What they want though is equity, which is equal outcomes, regardless of choice.
@@xeridea No its the exact opposite because free people dont want equality by their own choice you can only achieve equality with tyranny. For example: Do you want to work on an oil rig?
Most men will choose jobs that are more dangerous for higher pay over a comfort job with lower pay. Most women would choose the opposite. So the work force will never be equal to compare income disparities if it existed.
Jordan spits facts the lady spits feelings.
And she'll expect that since she "did equal work" to Jordan, to get paid the same.
You say "feelings" I'd call it nonsense
I’ve recently retired from the construction industry as an estimator, business and project manager and can tell you that after 40 years of trying set asides, and hiring quotas, with the exception of a few Asian woman working in Hawaii, there is no more women working in that field than there was when I started. I’ve seen quite a few women try the industry but, don’t last very long unlike my male counterparts who have stayed In the industry for the long haul.
Years ago I seen a video of a feminist stating that a woman can do every job a man can do. The very next sentence was her stating that special tools need to be made for the women firefighters to do what their male counterparts can do. Well if they need special tools to do the same job,then that's not equal!
Rule 9. This woman does not listen!
My daughter loves Taylor Swift, pink things and dolls.
My boys love cars, football, and Xbox.
I didn't force them into their decisions. They made their decisions based on freedom of choice.
Men and women are genetically different. Men are interested by things women by people. It's basic human identity ingrained by our DNA. It's something that, as human beings, is in our makeup . Anyone who disagrees is a idiot. Look at your pets and how they behave and interact. A dog will never be a cat. A cat will never be a dog.
And she would argue that your children were subconsciously forced into those choices by a patriarchal society that lurks behind the scenes manipulating everything.
Brilliant answer
@@dennisnicolle8319 cheers mate.
I'm a man and 1.5 years ago some guys were using a JCB Telehandler on my way to work. I looked at it, admired the hydraulics and paint job. When I got home I looked how much one cost, despite having no use for one.
Then I thought of what JBP said and chuckled.
Women aren't interested in IT I worked in IT 25 years girls simplely don't like IT.
My last job I was in charge of a team of IT consultants in a niche field (Oil & Gas Production Accounting). My core team, other than myself, was about equal M & F, but the ladies were mostly Asian, and the one non-asian was primarily a Project Manager. The men did include one recently-naturalized Irani immigrant, but everyone else was standard American melting-pot.
The point is, it isn't just about gender, you have to look at the cultural side as well. And Asian women love IT (and the ones I've known were damn good at it).
@@i.marchand4655 been in many IT departments in multiple companies some larage 45k employees or more, some smalle 300 employees or less. the one thign is constant its very rare to see a single female in that department developers are very hard to get females in that sector, the sections women seem to be interested in is management or any "non technical roles" most women dont' want to open computers and get there hands dirty and none of them can lift a switch or know how to connect it. Cable management isn't a thing with females in IT, but there are some good network engineers that know how to config a switch as long as they dont' need to touch the switch.
They only like fun jobs that make their dopamine levels rise f . ex. talking with people
I'm literally in the military working with electronics and in the it profession and I love it. I'm also black
You don’t get to choose to be a checkout clerk at Walmart and get paid like an engineer…
That's not what this is about.
More she speaks, more she loses her argument 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking that about Jordan.
Especially when she keeps change her store.
"J.P. looks like the only sober guy arrounded of drunk people." I thought I was the only one who has this impression. I'm relieved others share this feeling. Thank you.
I have worked as a carpenter/joiner for fifty odd years. A woman in the joiners shop could do very well (I have yet to see one) but there is also the times where they would be required to work on a building site when it is wet and cold and maybe all the timber you need you have to pull out from under a pile of snow.
Yes I worked for a painting and contracting company for over 20 years (non-union). So I did painting, drywall and some finish carpentry, and while hauling tools and supplies could be physically taxing the jobs themselves were not that bad. They did however entail I high degree precision which can still take a toll. Pay was damn good, very little over-time involved but between the physical and more prevalent mental strain you could be totally wiped at the end of the day. Point being in my all my years I only noticed 2 females doing the same work.
Mate if you saw my framing carpenters at the end of a 8 hr day there’s no farkin way a woman can do this day in day out. The boys are buggered at 3:30pm and their physicality is hugely different so no women can match that.
@@TBird89 I have seen them so I completely agree and understand what you are saying. As I mentioned I only saw 2 women in similar positions as mine. Hell just the morning set up on some of my jobs would have finished most women off. Bring in the tools, several sheets of drywall, mud, lumber, a few 5 gallon paint buckets and then we could get started working. And heaven forbid when we need to set up some scaffolding. So yes I have seen many women talk the talk but very damn few that can actually walk the walk.
My wife has helped me with building work a few times, after trying her hardest for a few minutes, she gives up, conceding defeat. "How do you even lift that?" she says - and I'm pretty average with strength. She is has a female friend that's physically strong, she's helped me too and fair play she does really well, but after 2-3 hours she is done. Nice arse though. May be with more experience she could compete, but it could cause long term damage. Hang on...that happens to us right?!?
I'm a 63 year old chippy male I've never seen female carpenter all my working life?
I wish more people understood the difference between hearing and listening. Thank you for pointing that out.
“Never discuss with an idiot! ( m/f) Because he/she may drag you down to his/her own level and beat you with experience”
What I don’t get is… who determined that men and women are supposed to be equal? Who gives those that are pushing for these changes, the authority to project such wrong ideas into the world, claiming it’s right? Equally is fundamentally backwards to what nature or natural order projects. By what right, do they stand up and say "what’s yours is now mine because we say so.” Without earning it. Earning it through productivity would be the only right way equally can rightfully exist. Screaming it from the rooftops to be blindly accepted isn’t equally, it’s abusive theft.
I love when these women only have good things as examples of what women should get more opportunity in, but when Jordan mentions the undesirable stuff, they act like he's being ridiculous
These women????
I, as an American woman 61 yrs old, have equal opportunity to any career field that a man has. What is this woman talking about? I have never been discriminated against or had an opportunity blocked due to my being female. Ever. My employer pays men and woman the exact same for the same job. This lady needs a reality check.
Tennis is a great example of women not having to do as much but get the same pay and accolades.
The sober guy talking to a bunch of drunk people. I love that. I always get frustrated watching people try to debate him and I never understood why. But that’s what it feels like.
I think it's because those fields are more logic and reason based while women in general prefer work places where their emotions and social commentary are more prevalent.
thats because tits and ass take away a woman's need for logic. an attractive women can use emotion to get what she wants, regardless of how logically sound it is. If an ugly woman wants something, she beter make a good case for it.....most can't.
That's how men and women are programmed. Not because of society but because that's our genetic make up.
This woman probably spends more time at a salon than she does at “work”
My highschool had a four year Automotive program, there were only four girls in that class and all four decided that the field wasn’t for them by senior year
I've got two daughters but only one who has pursued a working career. As she was growing up, I don't recall offering any commentary about what she should do with her choices.
Apart from a couple of jobs to simply earn a wage, she initially qualified as a personal (physical) trainer which, as far as I can tell seems to have a fairly equal spread of both genders and equal pay. She then joined the Royal Australian Air Force and rose to the rank of sergeant, again with equal pay along with starting a family. She has now moved to a nursing career and qualified as an enrolled nurse and is commencing advanced studies at university this year, again with equal pay to men.
So, I'm struggling seeing this woman's point here.
They are not looking for equality
@@zezeti2246
Dominicance without doing
Because STEM jobs require more skill than a hairdresser, or make up artist, or baby photographer. And women either don't like those intellectual jobs or want an easy life
Now THIS is text book misogynist attitude. Do better.
@@shadowmancer99he’s right though. Women choose easy majors.
@@RJames-uy2mt Again, you need to look at the big picture, not the small window of time. If you look at the US, I know for a fact that women are getting into the sciences and business more every year. And thats a good thing. Originally, women were not allowed into a lot of fields, and now that they are, its going to take time for the equilibrium to be set. And that is my pt.
But any idiot who thinks that woman are inferior by dint of their sex, is just that and idiot.
@@RJames-uy2mt That is a very very simplistic conclusion. Women are getting into the "harder" fields with greater numbers every year. They fighting literally thousands of years of generational disenfranchisement and have made great strides in these last 20 years. And while i would never say that its even appropriate to expect that men and women should be equally represented in all fields, I would NOT call nursing or teaching lesser skilled fields....they are some of the MOST important jobs we have, and do require a great deal of skill for communication and tranmissting of knowledge is not something just anyone can do with a teenager.
@@shadowmancer99 only because employers are employing women over men even if they are not the pick of the bunch just to meet a quota and also there are governmental kickbacks to do so. I have seen this first hand. And at the end of the day, why would a male student try to excel at school fully knowing that a female will get the job he's applying for because of a stupid gender quota system. JP is 100% correct when he says, he's all for equal opportunity but not equal outcome. Male and female should fight for any given job based on knowledge, skills and experience. End of story.
I love listening to Jordan Peterson ❤
She favors equality of outcomes via inequality under the law.
I think these people are wrong equality is already here.
Just because women don’t want to do the jobs doesn’t meen they are not allowed to. Also the pay gap is a lie. When you break it down to an hourly wage. The reason women don’t like it done that was is because they work less hours.
It's really not surprising that women want equal pay for doing less work. Just look at how a lot of them view relationships! They want men to fund their entire life while doing the bare minimum for him. They're always looking for the best deal and the most perks, while putting in little to no effort.
I want equal pay for doing less work too. I just can't find anyone who is willing to pay me more to do less.
@@nocrtnameis that sarcasm lmao
@@joshuajimenez6585 F no. I don't want to work. I'd rather be skiing or playing hockey or spending time with my kids etc. Time is what's important, you only get so much of it.
@@nocrtname Yeah right lmao,you don’t care about kids and no man is gonna wanna pay for a narcissists who only thinks about herself,be real lmao
@@joshuajimenez6585 You're misunderstanding.
I'm the one who makes sure they get up and get to school on time, get their homework done, help them with their spelling, pay the utilities, the rent, the groceries, extra music lessons, martial arts / sports, bathe them, put them to bed every night, and somehow find time to teach them the essentials like the konami code to get 30 lives on contra. We're closing in on being in the top 1% of income earners, but what I'm saying is if I could figure out a way to get a raise and not have to work as much, I'd do it in a second.
'What does equality look like for you?'
'Freedom'
Wow what an argument. We can wrap it all up now.
Peterson's intellect and his ability to articulate it is off the charts. He's a brilliant man.
Women live their life on easy mode, so it’s no surprise that they choose the easy majors.
Are you kidding? Are you a victim?
@@jenmorgan8131 what are you on about? Victim of what?
She does not want to listen. Women first should start contributing and performing that same before claim equal pay.
He's the one not listening.
This poor woman is lost in her world, Jordan is SPOT ON AS USUAL...
Love Jordan Peterson so calm and always bang on the money. Woman are great and so are men. They are jobs woman will not do.
In general, their natural inclination is to take the easy path
Q: "What does Equality men to you?"
A: "Freedom".
=Being a slave to a boss who doesn't care about you and will throw you out as soon as you're unprofitable, but refusing to help a husband and father of your own children. Got it.
It was a really dumb answer anyways. You could tell she spouted out the first 'good' word that came to mind.
@@notcrazy6288It’s a terrible answer. If a man thought the same thing he would instantly be brought to the fact that he is neglecting his financial responsibilities (if he has a family). A man’s salary is historically linked to the fact that it had to house and feed a large family. It isn’t about freedom at all, it is about managing one’s financial affairs. Peterson is correct. There are opportunities for women to access the salaried positions that many men have. They simply, in the majority of cases, don’t. More often, women in a team (and I have run many departments in many fields) stay on shorter hours, 4 day weeks and other casual type work arrangements long, long after it is no longer needed (they would work these hours when their children were young so they could manage school, etc). Once their kids are older teens they still request the shorter workload, ignore promotional opportunities, cease to seek out career development. Now this is not everyone, of course, but it is the statistical majority.
When did she say she refused to help a husband and a father?
I would love for her to defend her "women are not equal anywhere in the world" against the awarding of female accolades to biological males.
I work in a office & most people who are promoting are women...& then people in their teams say they are unable to do the role.
"....it's not a theory." I do believe that's that.
Quite an amazing racket.
Say the most important thing is choice, then blame men for the choices women make.
Oh wait, "society."
These women just want to talk.
"These women"
Some of the factors that Peterson mentions ignore the fact that on average men takes far less responsibility for childcare - which frees them up to work longer hours, to move around for jobs, to take more dangerous jobs etc. Moreover, outdoor work poses greater danger to women (from predatory men) than it does to men.
This woman is a fine representation of women in general.
I like how she cites JP’s rule 9, but she isn’t listening to actually learn anything from Jordon. She keeps trying to push her views even in the face of contradictory facts.
wanted to scream for jordan: "YOU say you read rule 9, but that's literally the one rule you're completely ignoring" you aren't listening, because i gave you the facts and data, but your own confirmation bias and lack of ability to resolve your own cognitive dissonances is forcing you to ignore reality....like most feminists
The only data she's interested in is the amount of money paid to men vs women, which is an apples to oranges comparison.
The clip is great. Your analysis. Holy crap.
Your closing remark hit the nail on the head.
The amount of dancing around the topic is amazing by this lady.
It's Jordan and I, science lady. Not Jordan and me.
She's shouting at the wind.
Thanks!
She did dance and prance around the question. Good observation right off the bat.
Even in the nursing profession, men make more...They pick up the overtime on nights, weekends and holidays when others call off...Then they trade stocks, buy, fix, flip and rent properties on the side...Amazing isn't it? 😂
Yes they get paid more for more hours. The pay rate remains the same.
There are zero jobs where men get paid more for the same job, with the same experience and qualifications!
@@simonjones2240- Right. It’s been illegal to do otherwise for more than 40 years.
Wow so accomplished! Feel good riding a high horse and looking down at women? Perhaps these women would rather spend time at home with their children once in a while or something.
@@jenmorgan8131 - I doubt paulbunyun is saying that you can’t choose to spend time with your children, rather than working, but if you so choose, you can’t bitch that men who spend more time in the hospital working do make more money. Not more hourly wages, but more annual total salary.
Which, as you and everyone else well knows, but might not want to admit, is what the bogus 70 cents (female ), on the dollar (male), argument is all about.
"Nowhere in the world are women equal."
She's right - I'm still waiting for a girl to come along and keep me in the lap of luxury that I believe I deserve ...
This vid is my intro to your channel. I love your smooth, crooning voiceover laying the smackdown commentary :D
Blaming "society" is always a weak argument. Society's made of the cumulative choices of individuals. We live in an age when bucking the system is popularized more than ever, yet still "the oppressive weight of society's expectations made me this way." Baloney.
She's trying to go around the corner. That's what she's trying to do. She thinks it's slick. She don't want to hear The Truth. Just like most people don't want to hear The Truth. These days because the truth huts, that makes him look stupid.
But women feelings are the most important blah blah blah.
@@ady007pl They're very emotional. She can't trust them.
@@ady007pl I see that boys used to be made fun of for having feelings, but now the repressed boys just make fun of all feelings.
Jobs that require more Skill, Labor and/or Brains usually pay more then 9-5 office Jobs
You're right!
I love how she frames it as "Jordan's theory" wheb he is simply stating facts.
Also, the fact she addresses him by his first name and not "Dr. Petersen" which is the correct way to address a doctor.
She’s digging her own grave!
They don’t want to work hard
Really? this is how the divide continues. Just admit that there are as many men as there are women that don't have a good work ethic.
I don't know why woke children keep trying to prove him wrong. He's defending logic, data, truth, and common sense with ease. It's not hard to see that he can't really understand how these educated opponents can be so stupid. I get the feeling he's disgusted that he worked along side with professors that taught the nonsense he's fighting.