Being Gay in the Thirties (Gay Life)
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2020
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In this outstanding episode of pioneering 1980s TV series Gay Life, Gifford Skinner describes what it was like to be a gay man in the 1930s. Illuminating and nostalgic, Gifford recalls picking up guardsmen in Hyde Park as well as some of the homosexual ‘characters’ he encountered in London’s West End. The gay activist, historian and sociologist Jeffrey Weeks is interviewed about gay law reform.
This episode is presented by Michael Attwell, who also produced the series for the London Minorities Unit. London Weekend Television may have screened Gay Life in the Sunday night ‘graveyard’ slot of 11.30pm (London area only), but it attracted a lot of publicity, some of it negative. Lesbians protested that they were excluded from the first series in 1980, so this was rectified for the much-improved second series in 1981. In the pages of Gay News veteran activist Dudley Cave welcomed Gay Life, saying it reached “into the homes and the closets to places where Gay News never gets.”
Director:
John Oven
No one does a documentary better than the Brits. They just jump right into the topic. Nothing sugar-coated. It’s quite refreshing.
This film must have been made in the early 1980 s
there were many nighttime "Vice" channels in the 80's in the USA as well. Some were pay-per-view channels. Nevertheless, Americans jumped right into the controversial topics despite societal norms. The Brits weren't the only ones. The Stonewall Riot of 1969 is perhaps the first Gay Pride of the world
No over dramatic non sense americans do but like the french to
Honey Pea The early 70's. Many cars in the film were 60's vehicles- like the Mark 1 Cortina
So very true
I love these guys. I'm a straight man who has had a gay best friend sense we were in grade school. And because of men like these right here, my friend can live a happy, out life without worrying about being judged constantly. Thank you, heros 💙
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Well, us gays are still judged. In larger cities we are a bit less judged though.
@@GallegosBestInk I'm sorry. That makes me so aggravated to hear. Like, a guy can be a super macho hetero and his friend be a gay super femme...it doesn't make any difference what someone else is, as long as you like the person that they are! Who you associate with, doesn't have to make you any different! Judge the person, not their sexuality/race/color/income level/etc...ugh.
My best friend is straight too :),he has my back totally we’ve been accused of sleeping with each other though has that happened to you and your friend ?
crazzi-j north certainly has many times people have speculated about my friendship with other men. I am fortunate that my straight friends ignore such nonsense and are not afraid to show their love for me in public.
Great documentary! I was seventeen when it first aired, now I'm 56. I came out as a gay man in 1984, it was a very difficult and challenging experience for me, but well worth it in the end. I 'arrived' on the London gay scene in early 1985. I found it all very exciting, but equally quite scary, mainly due to society's attitudes back then. The Aids crisis didn't help either, needless to say. My parents weren't very happy about me being gay, but I wanted to be totally true to myself and enjoy my life. I found some love along the way too, most happily, although I'm now a single man. I never dismiss the idea of finding a loving partner once more. I am pleased with the choices I've made with my life. Nothing ventured, nothing gained......... 💞☺
I’m two years older than you, but I could have written your comment. I came out to my parents in 1987 after my first boyfriend dumped me and my world came crashing down. Mum was ok, but dad reacted badly. Right up to the day he passed away in 2003, he refused to talk about it.
I arrived on the London Gay scene at about the same time as you. I agree that it was exciting and scary. It was good to be away from the conservative views of my parents and to explore my sexuality. I met some lovely guys in London but I met my one true love in the North. I hope you find a loving partner again.
@@lancalad1 thank you for sharing your story with me. Kind of you to wish me luck in my quest for love. All the best to you also.
@@Aussiemarco I hope your life is happier now? That's a shame about your Dad. My parents are really good about it now, thank goodness. All the best to you.
Rabbit64 SJ well my story, I was in a relationship with my late partner for over 20yrs and we were activists for equality etc. unfortunately Chris passed with cancer 22 yrs ago. I thought that was the end for me to have a loving relationship again. Wow some months ago my first love contacted me after 63yrs no contact? The result I am at 78yrs old engaged to be married. Never thought that would happen.
It's crazy looking back at an 80s documentary looking back at the 30s 😂 SOOOOOOOOO much crazy change since both of these time periods!
I was in my 20s in the 80s and you are spot on about the great leap forward from then to now.
Ur cute
apologies for stalking your insta., love your love of our history.... then the 2 yr post A little Motivation, made me smile. Loving the family posts too... just watched No Hard Feelings and Just Friends, and loved that Gods Own Country was filmed just down the road - so many great feel good movies coming out... we have moved forward... mostly.
And just think, we are lucky enough of be able to "record" all this for prosperity.
WONDERFUL DOCUMENTARY. I AM 67 YEARS OLD AND I LOVE BEING GAY. I HAVE BEEN WITH MY SPOUSE FOR 37 YEARS AND I STILL ADORE HIM. I WANT TO BE GAY IN THE NEXT LIFE AS WELL.
Jorge A. Melendez this is just so sweet. god bless you both ♥️
Jorge, you and your partner sound lovely ❤❤❤❤
Have you filled out your application yet?
@GIANCARLO G. GUERRA lol
Congratulations! What is the secret to a happy marriage?
As a parent of a gay child, I am SO HAPPY things are a bit better now. I know, my loves still have roadblocks, but we love him and his husband with every fiber of our being.
I'm sorry.
You are amazing for this, thank you.
Parent of a gay child? Voted foe Biden huh. Good job
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@@eugeniasyro5774don’t be she’s happy not everyone’s like you
I'm 65 and luckily met my spouse 45 years ago and are still SO , we lost a lot of friends in the 80's, knew a lot of the places in this episode, Much love to all my SO friends
Thank you for being so true & strong
I spotted the Gay's the Word sign during the march. Do you know if that is the bookshop in London?
SO???
@@riv6580 I thought it stood for "Significant Others" but rereading it doesnt make sense at the end! So I want to know too now 🤣
I was a teenager in the 80s , and a lot of my friends didn’t even make it to 25.
I’m a gay 16 year old girl, I can’t articulate the feeling of love and warmth I get from seeing pictures and videos of gay people in the past well enough. I have so much thanks to give to these people for fighting so long so in the future, people of my generation can be relatively safe to be themselves.
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Same here. Love is love.
me too i need more historical gay documentaries.
Its not love , its lust . A man can never love another man like that and same is for a woman. The heart deceives as its written in the bible and the devil is doing great work because were opening the door for him. This man proved it. He said that he fist started looking at boys bottoms. He didnt say he loved a boy first. Repent and run away from these things. As much as heaven , hell is a true place and most of us will go there
@@emperorofplutoand lust is lust. This is lust not love
And in 10 years, I too will get to be gay in the 30s!
Right now you're gay in the 20s 😯
Ryan, so true. Sadly these men are probably all dead today. Feel for them. My niece is gay and thank god everyone in the family are happy for her and her loves
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haha!
If you make it to the 30's - doing men in the booty!
I remember my Great Uncle Charlie and his partner Johnny. They always introduced him into the room as my uncles "best friend".
They were together for years, yet couldn't come out to the family, well they tried and my Great Nan and Nan would never and still don't admit he was gay.
Same on the other side, both my Great Uncle Chick and Uncle John.
Although it was always common knowledge they were gay. Nobody in the family would ever actually say it.
I'm so glad it has changed since then.
I've always said, if my daughter was gay and ever came out, I would totally stand by her and support her.
I don't understand why just because your child is gay, you can't accept them..... They are still your babies, whatever happens.
My granddad still referred to my cousin's husband as "his friend" Dennis, even after 10 years of marriage ... He wasn't hostile or mean towards them (or me or my gay aunt), he just refused to acknowledge it... which is its own kind of passive aggression I suppose.
You'd actually exploit them like an accessory.
@@Barbe
Explain?
i felt like i was reading this from a southern african family. i too had a great uncle who had his own partner ( a roommate) . we know what was up we didn;t put words into it either. they survived in the open and hidden in the african context where gender roles are 100% strict. there are zero blurry lines. they spend their entire existence together within the family compound .
Me Aunty Elsie (actually a distant cousin but raised as my great grandaunt - her mother was the latter but she was raised as her real mother’s sister by their mother) was openly living with another woman in the 1950s in Bristol, and everyone knew but no one _said_ they knew, not in front of company. In the 80s her Mrs, Aunty Rose (we all called her Aunty, like they were married) was always introduced to everyone as “Aunty Elsie’s friend, Aunty Rose”. I now really feel for them both having to deny themselves on a daily basis. I only met her once but would LOVE to talk to her now.
This video told me a lot about my grandfather's life. He was born in 1918 and I was born in the early sixties. He would have gone through the invisibility of the thirties then, for about 20 years, the "invert" and "pervert" thing. Unfortunately, he died before Stonewall and 1978 in Sydney but he didn't have to live w the fear of aids. I miss him more every year and l miss his partner too. They were both good men.
Thankyou for sharing, it is a lovely story. When did he die?
Anne Miller,Beautiful story!
My grandfather, too. He would have been older than your Grandfather, born in the 1890s. I only have one memory of him and he was deeply unhappy. I was at that age where I was too little to hold hands so I just held his finger. He was trembling and looked like he'd been crying. My mum told me, years later, that he'd recently had ECT. After years in psychiatric hospitals he eventually took his own life in 1965. Homosexuality had been decriminalized but it seemed too late to bring him any kind of peace. He hated people who were openly gay. I think because he'd lived so many years with the daily terror of being found out.
Thanks for your story.
I am gay and was young in the 80´s. AIDS was really a living nightmare. I thank God for that it is over now.
who cares bozo cry
As a straight woman, I have so much respect for these people, for their bravery being their true selves.
The first time i came out i was working in the car factory in oxford ,a group of about 10 of us was having lunch a guy that had a reputation of being gay walked bye one of the guys said i could tell he was walking past i can smell a shirt lifter a mile of ,i said to him is that so well I’ve been sitting bye you for 3 years and you never smelt me
Thank you for this intelligent work. I'm 70; been gay all my life; never been happier. Thank you!
Hi. Are you in the UK ? How did you come out and if so how did you feel ?
A . S As the mother of a gay child (she’s 20- time flies), I understand your desire to know more, especially in the UK.
But I do hope you know you’re asking extremely sensitive questions.
I’m not sure you’d pose it to a heterosexual, but it’s quite sensitive and I’m not sure many are willing to go down a potentially harmful, traumatic and quite personal memory lane.
I’m sure you can find out this info if you politely ask a trusted friend.
Love & Light from Miami✨✌🏼
Stay safe everyone🌎
Katherine
Hard to ever find loyal partner...the wish is still present in my 70s.
Susan Bannister very true for all ages and sexual orientations, unfortunately. 😔
Dewi Lew Got that right.
But I think if we’re lucky to have experienced a great love in life, I’d say we’re lucky.
Some NEVER experience a love like that.
I feel really bad for those who haven’t.
Now I know how my uncle felt. His name was Frances McQueen. He taught me how to pluck my eyebrows. She taught me how to curse a like a lady. He taught me how we are young woman. I am so grateful that my uncle was in my life. My mother is not a feminine woman at all. So my uncle took me under his wing and taught me how to be a lady. Thank you Uncle Frankie
I had a wonderful kind gay uncle. He was the best to my sis and me so funny to be around and always laughing. We ended up over the top girly girls . I know my uncle would love it haha.
Beautiful!
I knew a wonderful gay man, by the same name, in North Beach, San Francisco. Out and about before the entire Castro Street culture. He had terrific stories of The City back in the day.
@@gilbertianrueda hai
How does one curse like a lady?
"I didn't have a camp name"
"Er, you probably didn't know about it"
..30's shade..
It wasn't the 30s but we had names for everyone we saw going out but weren't acquainted with anyone in their circle of friends.
graphite That was really funny! 🥰
Hilarious
Oh snap! The shade is too real...
30s shade .....😂😂😂
This is an absolute GEM to find on UA-cam. I'm loving every minute!
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I'm naming you Gilda and I'll be Doris, dear. I'm popping out to make a few Bob whilst getting musical with the sailors 😉
Times have certainly changed. A very interesting video to watch
I'm 34, I discovered I was musical about 8 years ago. I've been with my partner who is also coincidentally musical for 2 years and we're getting musical in November.
The Scran Line: This made me laugh. 😏 ❤️
Congratz!
Congratulations!!! God bless your musical Union! ♥️
Congrats!!! 🎵🎶🎵🎶
I guess you both like blowing each other's horn and flute and will be taking music lessons up the wazu! ;)
An amazing look in to the 1930s gay scene and the fact is it from a 1981 perspective made it all the more fascinating. Thank you for posting it.
My brother in law died from aids. We were with him all night and day for three days as he lay in bed dieing. It was horrible. Hope people use protection. I never want to go through that ever again. Miss him
I’m sorry to hear that 💔
I'm so sorry to hear that.
May he rest in peace.
Someone went off topic.
omg im so sorry. there are no words to help the pain
I’m sorry
Thanks Andy! These guys are voices from a lost generation, may they RIP
Remembering...when television was slower, more honest and people seemed Real.
Absolutely!
You are so right there too.
I came to London in 1970 and came out the same year and have had a FUBULOSO time never bothered me what people said or thought...after all it's my life!!
I haven' t read all the comments, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but to those who enjoyed this, there is a brilliant UK TV series called "It's Not Unusual" on the subject of being gay in the past, which covers a longer time period, is in 3 parts, and is very interesting! Love the comments about us Brits and documentaries! Thanks Guys :-)
It's on UA-cam. Thanks.
the BBC drama The man in the Orange Shirt, in 2 parts, is excellent (on YT too)
As in the song lyric ‘It’s not unusual to be loved by anyone’?[
"I wouldn't go to bed with her"....lol....I still know gay men like this.
why would I go to bed with a woman when there are so many sexy men out there?
I have no interest in trying to seduce hetero men, but if even my mom could tell you were gay, I probably wouldn't be into you.
Or as Boy George said: "If I wanted to have sex with a queen, I'd buy a mirror."
It would be interesting to make another one of these updated and have today's youth watch and here their critique of us. It was informative and great to see our progression.
Imagine this on American network television in the 80s!!! The UK was way ahead of the US!
Totally!
Yes. Yes we are !
England and Wales legalized homosexuality in 1967. Scotland 1981. N Ireland 1982.
Yeah, so much for way ahead ...
We were and still are.
I should move to Britain or Australia. It's ridiculous over here in the USA. The republican party doing everything to suppress people's rights. Even voting rights they come up with laws to prevent mail in ballots or the "gerrymandering" redrawing of the districts . Literally legal illegalities
Made in 1981. Tragic to think what lay just around the corner for a lot of the men shown here.
I'm a former nurse and remember the fear of that time. I never thought I would see another health scare that is so frightening,
Not only for gay people, but i guess gay people will always be associated to AIDS. The world needs education and information.
@@WMWMW0MWMWMW Primarily it was gays who got it. Yes it's transmissible to anyone who's sexually active but it primarily was in the gay community at the time. Now it's primarily in Africa, prostitution, drug addicts and gays as well but not as much as the other groups.
@@lucifer2b666 Heterosexual people too
@@lucifer2b666 It was also in the blood supply. Hemophiliacs - especially young kids - also were victims of the hysteria. Google the Ray Brothers for a sample of how cruel people can be to innocent victims of a virus (as if 2020 hasn't been enough of a lesson ;-) )
They were called 'confirmed bachelors' back in the day.
@Melenor Duranee some were married
I was born 2 to 3 years after this show was televised. It's crazy to see that gay life in London centered on Shaftesbury Street almost 100 years ago. I lived in London for a year in 2009-2010, and I remember walking down Shaftesbury Street--all the gay places were in that general area and Old Compton Street. Of course, coming from NYC, this was old hat and quite a small "gayborhood" in comparison to what I was used to in Manhattan. I also love that they used terms like "musical" and "so" as euphemisms for gay. Fascinating.
Luboman, in Australia in tje 80s it was still "a friend of Dorothy's though that was on its way out.
Shaftesbury Avenue, (not Street).
@@Bouncybon Oh, yeah, Shaftesbury Avenue. LOL.
I am SO glad this documentary was made ....so much needed information for the younger generations to come - Thankyou for posting this
This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing it!
So much empathy for these men sharing their stories. Love them. Thanks for being open. So much respect for you. I'm so glad there were good times in all that persecution during those times. You have made life to much easier for others
Thank you for this priceless gem!
Every little insight into gay history and culture shows how they fought for the freedoms we now enjoy today. We’ve just celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary and we know we are fortunate to have found each other’s soul mate. Be happy everyone! Xx
That freedom you enjoy is not everywhere but I believe it will extend down to us someday
I am assuming these older men are long gone now but I wish they were still alive to see how society has moved forward
has it? We should be on guard against regression. Gay people are still being persecuted in many countries, and the rightwing backlash in the US, UK and elsewhere is ominous. Unfortunately history does not automatically progress forward. After the openness of 1920s Berlin, gays were murdered in Nazi concentration camps. It could happen again, under Trump or Putin or.....
They are long gone now. This was filmed in the 70s.
@@kintverity1270 Actually it was filmed 1980-1981.
@@clemsonbloke does a few years make any difference? Kint's point still holds true. it's been 40 long years.
A brilliant film, never seen this before as far as I can recall. Many thanks.
I worked on this series. It seems incredible now, but LWT were at the time considered to be taking a huge step in putting such a series on maintime British television. It was shunted away at some ridiculously late hour on a Sunday night, but nonetheless the company was to be congratulated on paving the way for gay programmes on TV.
That’s amazing!
@@andyandthedevil Yes, a hell of a lot has happened in the last 40 years!
Thats really incredible!! So cool!
Yes I remember it being on too. Saw it listed in the TV Times at the time
Mind you like a lot of old series it is perhaps more well done than the TV of today.
I don't know if the series was shown on all of the itv network or whether it was just on lwt in London at the time though
I feel so weird watching a documentary released in the 80s about the 30s, especially as somebody that was born in the early 2000s..., it's just crazy and interesting to see how much stuff has changed over the last decades...
Worth watching for the 1970's London scenes alone! Even though it is discussing what was then historic, it has become a museum piece in itself! Brilliant.
Loved it! I am “musical” from now on 🦄
Awesome reel. Loved it. Very insightful. And yes, I was born this way.
As a gay man in modern London it's fascinating to see how far we've come although sad that lgbt venues have now declined so substantially. I agree with the speaker at the end that we need to be less focused on definitions and labels. Unfortunately things have got worse since then with ever narrower and more specific terms to describe sexual orientation which aren't all that useful.
Why should u have venues if u want 2 be equal?
@@pleidiolwyfimwlad2104 Because people often like to hang out with others with common interests.
I remember as a young man the first time I ever had sex, I was scared to death! I was all alone.
safety
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A fascinating watch - thanks for uploading it.
Amazing documentary, I'm sharing this on my transdisciplinary EFL blog as well as on the alternative social media I've joined ever since I left Facebook. Thank you so much and greetings from Brazil!
Thanks for sharing!
@@andyandthedevil Thank YOU again for uploading this historical doc helping to educate the younger generations of our LGBTI community worldwide about the pioneering struggles for our rights! Greetings from Brazil!
And another historical piece to celebrate your channel (not the devil, of course:-)), one of my favorite songs of my early youth years of the same period:
Pay The Devil (Ooo, Baby, Ooo)
ua-cam.com/video/Am9MSUxZaV8/v-deo.html
I loved the documental. Thank You friend!
this is great, thank you so much for preserving this history🙏🏾
Being your authentic self is more than beautiful... it's amazing! It is self-evident that you deserve to be who you truely are and if thats Gay, then I support that identity in you! Great Documentary!
I cannot imagine not being able to live your truth. As soon as I lived mine, the world opened up!
Brilliant! I was 15 or 16 when this was aired, but as a sheltered child in an extremely conservative household, of course I would never have seen this. It goes to show that not everyone was as bigoted as my parents, who were 37 and 40 at the time. When I came out, or should I say, was "outed" by my godfather (who, unbeknownst to me, was gay himself), I was thrown out of the family, forbidden to see my sisters and brother, and didn't go home for five years. I ended up leaving the country (I've lived in Switzerland since 1988) and it took my parents ten years to visit me. Now we all get on (we should! They're both almost 80). It is heartening to see that not everyone was as narrow-minded back then. And above all to see the HUGE progress that has been made in accepting people as they are and stopping labelling people who are "different" over the past few decades. This is really a ground-breaking documentary. Balanced, nuanced, non-judgemental. Absolutely excellent. I am, incidentally, extremely "musical" - which is why I was sent away to a choir school at the age of nine and then to a very "musical" public school!
Such a beautiful story! We’re very lucky that less and less teenagers are thrown out of their houses simply based on their sexuality. The battle for acceptance will be a long one, but we are fighting it! 🧡
@@andyandthedevil Yes, we must keep up the good work :-)
Good God, saw myself under the Birmingham banner on the march with old friends bless them. Very sad not to be part of it any more, exciting times!
You were in this video???
@@cristyluv1205 Millennials would be shocked to know MANY of us from the Early 80's are STILL ALIVE & talking with you, Kicking & Tweeting & everything! Posting comments with videos from OUR 20's ERA. You will too VERY SOON. Doesn't mean we are DEAD. Just Technology went forward SUPER FAST in our life-time, from grainy to digital clear. I'm sure Ian meant the Gay Marches portion which were BIG DEALS in the 80's. The 80's were GOOD TIMES! "70;s too! When places like NYC, was BOOMING with SEXUAL REVOLUTION EVERWHERE! Not like Conservative Post Guiliani 90's. The 60's 70's & 80's were SUPER TRANSITIONAL. Millennials missed A LOT! :) being born too late! I'll bet IAN is just AMAZED (as I am) at how FAST time passes!
@stromada1 I was the young, handsome and cheeky little one! Now I'm 71 and grieving for my dead lover of forty years. Time takes all away, make those memories now. I regret starting late, could have done with another century of that relationship.
@stromada1 I was the young, handsome and cheeky little one!
packs a real punch in its 35 mins. Brilliant documentary.
Very interesting. I’m in my early 50s and my friends and I still have female nicknames for each other and refer to each other as her and she, this is extremely old school and my younger friends find it amusing and it’s unheard of now on the gay scene but we refuse to stop doing it !
Haha, I know what you mean, girlfriend.
Oh Mary! ;)
It was good enough for Freddie.
Using female nicknames and pronouns (and in some languages feminine grammatical conjucations) has probably been done by androgynous people forever. 200 years ago, effeminate males were called Mollies! Gay does not mean androgynous, gay just means homosexual. But you can be both. :)
It's still common in the drag scene (because of the drag personas). Not so much, elsewhere.
This is so interesting from a historical viewpoint and its content is still so relevant!👏🏻
Thank you so much for sharing this insightful video! 🙏🏻🌈🤗
that man’s smile. happiness radiating in every picture.
Thank you for such a well-done documentary! Much appreciation.
I remember going to the Lyons corner house quite a few times when I was a child. I found it fascinating and felt very posh sitting at the table having afternoon tea.
As a mother of a fantastic gay son thank you for paving the way to say it must of been tough is an understatement! Sisters forever x
My grandson came out to me first, I actually said to him thank goodness I thought I would have to tell you. That was seven years ago, his other granny is disgusted and won't have his partner in her house. Silly woman she is the looser missing out on a loving caring couple,
Very good documentary! It seems as though the U.K. has always been more forward thinking than the U.S. This would never have played here in the 80’s
Love this doco...so well made thank you ❤
I played on the statue of the family. It stood near a church in Harlow where I grew up.loved this. I came out in 1975 and have been with my partner since I met him then. Please let people live their life without government interference.
PEACE, LOVE & EQUALITY.
Great share. Thank you! Any sign of the other episodes?
Thanks ever so much for posting this!
What a treasure you have found! I'm familiar with the life these men describe through biographies of people like Forster, friends with Noel Coward, Sassoon, other literary homosexuals. Thank you for bringing me the visuals.
1981! This was released the year the HIV/AIDS pandemic surfaced, and I don't think it's mentioned in the film. What a heart-crushing artifact! Thank you for the opportunity to see this. I would never have encountered it elsewhere!
No one in Britain had heard of it in 1981.
@@ABC_DEF And people had been dying of it for years! I graduated high school in 1981, so my adult life began with that pandemic, only I'm not gay and wasn't at high risk for my behavior. I remember the hetero panic of that period, how people then feared a crossover into the mainstream that would kill more generally. I had gay friends in school. ALL are now dead. Yes, that's right! All of them...
@@afwalker1921 I went to university in 1983 (in the UK). When we arrived, we were given a booklet about contraception and sexual health. At the back there was a reference to AIDS. It said that it was a new disease, that its means of transmission was unknown and that it affected promiscuous homosexual men and heroin users. It said that it was possibly spread by an as yet unidentified virus. I had never heard of it. It wasn't big in the news until some years later. The first public information campaign about it took place in 1987.
I did not know what musical was, but the illustration of Adam in the Bible stories always made my instrument musical at a young age. My first concert was at 18. There were fireworks.
💀gotcha
with a lot of explosions like Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture
I can’t believe I’m just seeing this. This is the best documentary like ever. It was informative and entertaining, even funny lol. I totally loved it , thanks whoever posted it ❤️
I wasn't ready for LWT ident..what memories that brings back!
It does too.
I am a 39 yo gay man and one of the biggest influences on my life was my very elderly and very posh gay great uncle he was 90 when I was in my early teens and I would be shocked to discover that he didn't know the two old dollies featured in the start of this video very well indeed. He studied at the Royal College of music back in the 30s and moved in very elevated circles I hope to be like him when I am older silk cravat and all.
Excellent documentary. Jeffrey Weeks is particularly eloquent on this subject.
Oh bless him! Talking in my language. Old queens, sisters 👯♀️ I did soho 1984 -97. Exhausting lifestyle. Retired old bugger now. Happy with my cat 🐱
maybe we hooked up in the cottage, ya never know
Maybe we DID! Lol 😝
This is a great documentary, I feel lucky to have been a gay teenager in to 2000's. Interesting to see how history tends to repeat itself in social circles.
I’ve been musical my whole life. I’m very much a man, married to my musical husband for almost 3 years.
Unique perspective. Thanks for sharing.
This documentary is so good. Some of the views expressed are so well put and all encompassing, it actually makes me think we are going backwards at present.
I know right.
Wonderful docu .... Those two fabulous gentleman discussing their life....
Amazing. Powerful. And an important historical document.
When "Sing if you're glad to be gay" came out (Monty Python's "Secret Policeman's Ball") I was an awkward teenager in an all male school. Wish I'd seen this back then.
What a wake up. Late in life, I’ve just been feeling as if I’m somewhere in between and I can be defined as “bi’. Now, bi may be normal? How perfectly insane. A very nice documentary. Thank you British t.v. 🌺❤️
I personally think most people in this world are somewhere on the bisexual spectrum. So yes, your feelings are absolutely valid! I wish you to live happily knowing who you love 🧡
Being “bi” means you’re attracted to the person for who they are, not what they have between their legs.
lohphat that’s pansexuality. But most ppl don’t have attraction to people’s genitals. Bi ppl may have preferences in terms of gender. but pansexual people don’t have preferences.
@@Bigtittypatthicc Nah, there's straight, bi and gay if any terms at all, I don't judge people on being bi and assume to know why they're bi, that's their business, all these extended terms are just to make people feel special and separate/divide even more.
People aren't defined by their sexuality and if I have to categorize it for gods knows what reason I'm not gonna do it in fifty different ways because I need to know EXACTLY why they're the way they are, if I did I'd let them explain it to me, in a far better way one word ever could.
I'm gay and not remotely on the "bisexual spectrum". I don't need anyone pushing the "woke" version of homophobia on me. Thanks.
Thanks for posting this. 👍
I have officially lezzed-out on the intro music to this series.
This is really interesting. Great documentary. I'd like to know how women did though. They rarely talk about that anywhere.
Lovely to see the olde London ❤️
hahah i loved this. the way old british people sound is so charming and fun. this man is so youthful and uplifting
love that LWT intro ... missed that during growing up during the 80s and early 90s on Australia 🇦🇺
I appreciate this so much!
omg thank you . my bf in high school came out to me. thanks so much for the doc
A well-informative and documented video!
TYSM 4 sharing this vid!! 🙏🙏❤❤
I found that was an interesting viewpoint as if the 50s just rolled by, and we in America had a grand time with a secret language and many bars and restaurants opened with firm rules of dress. There were the elegant bars of the Eastside in the 50s and 60s streets that required suit and tie that had their own crowd, and there were the more casual west sidebars and coffee shops, then there was the famous Greenwich Village that had history on its side with decor and charm, one such bar still exists in the same location West 10th Street and still exists called 'Julius'
Eye opening and the fact they had address books quite reminds me of Grindr
I am so thankful to those who came before me and had to endure so much to get us to what we have today. even if many of them did not get the chance to see it.
I really wish there were more young people like you who felt that way. Many have no idea or interest in how much of a struggle it was.
Straight guy here but fascinated by the history of gay culture.
This is incredibly enlightening. To a point that it should be shown in schools..truly I had no idea where these labels came from or why they were ever used...now I know
This is a really quite lovely documentary.
Bravo to you all for this amazing documentary. I am a straight lady who has many gay friends and family members. Thanks to these people for paving the way for modern LGBTQ people. People are people and we should love each other regardless.
A fascinating retrospective. Thanks for posting.
“ Rosie both ways”😂😂😂😂
I'd heard of "a friend of Dorothy". Hadn't heard it's synonym, musical. I remember Joan Rivers reminisced about how very early in her career she told jokes about her hairdresser. She cheekily called him Mr Phyllis. And many people were really shocked that a gay man would be a character in a comedy routine. At the time, that was verboten, even in comedy. Joan was quite fearless and a true pioneer in comedy. Now that she's gone, thank heavens for UA-cam.
The reason we had camp names and referred to each other as she was derived because if one was out in public near (normal) people and you kept saying he did this and I met him there they would eventually realise you were gay but if you said she they hopefully would think oh they have girlfriends. They must be just a theatrical.
@alan ashwell: This does make a lot of sense. It sounds rather self-hating from today's perspective but it had to be an effect of what they faced at the time.
@@echt114 most certainly it was difficult, especially if one had been raised in a religious home-as most were.
I finally understand. Thank you I always wondered
And would lesbians do the reverse of it?
A brilliant piece of TV. Thanks for this.
Two things... one gentleman stated that “we all know we’re born gay”. The second the last man says “it was liberating to finally no have to pretend or ack like there’s a girlfriend somewhere”. Two things that to this day you’ll still hear people saying. Amazing
yettobseen Indeed...
Its heart breaking to still hear that people have to pretend to have hetrosexual relationship.
It time to realise that your sexuality is not a choice. We are born who we are.
Be that homosexual hetrosexual bisexual and transgender. (Gender displaced)
Tall those out there who think sexuality is so clear cut open your minds a bit because there a whole load of grey area out there. Where men and women can enjoy sexual encounter with same and opposite sex without being labed in on group.
I see myself a homosexual but that would stop me from having sex with the right person of the opposite sex.
Keith Newton ain’t it the truth Keith. No one knows it better than us that are gay. If you’re of a certain age as me 58 in my school yrs I tried to pretend and even had sex with girls. But that very act is what solidified that I was gay. So having tried pie and cake both I’m definitely a cake man. Fortunately I do see younger men being more flexible with sexuality, women also. Which is a beautiful thing.
oh my God! So true!
so true..