We Need To Talk About NASCAR on FOX… Again
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2024
- NASCAR on FOX is in the midst of its 24th NASCAR season in coverage. With the new 2025 TV deal NASCAR fans are locked in through year 31 with FOX Sports. With that being said it becomes more important for the broadcasters (who have already received large criticism since 2017) to improve. So, we need to talk about NASCAR on FOX… again.
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What would you want for NASCAR on FOX to improve?
everything
joke
most things but most important commentating camera work and visuals
I think They should Improve Their Commentators and Camera Work In My Opinion.
Bring back Digger.
Less ads
For cup things got better but no where else
The camera work is a joke. They miss too many wrecks and action and the unneccesary zooming in is ridiculous.
Thats not really the camera operators faults, the directors and producers tell them what they want before the race.
@@Aventador3088 that doesn’t negate the criticism. The cameramen don’t need to take it personal if that’s the case. But it needs to be fixed and when they do they should be proud they got it right and bettered the sport. It gets frustrating when our constructive criticism to a declining company doesn’t get resolved and just like any relationship it gets fractured years of denying constructive criticism just becomes resentment.
Harvick is quite good in the booth. We can all agree on that
Get rid of Bowyer
@@tonybanke3560 he tries way to hard to be goofy and wild
@@jbuckthemanMeanwhile he's monotone and boring the other 90%...
@@gripen777 bowyer is?
I disagree, Harvick is GREAT in the booth. I absolutely love him and Mike Joy….however Bowyer…..to me, he’s like Jeff Gordon but worse.
I want Larry Mac back In The Booth!
Larry isn't really willing to travel anymore
Pull those belts tight one more time!!
@@IvyLeather13 Love that line.
Too bad Larry doesn't want to... GenZ mindset at its finest.
After carrying SHR, Kevin Harvick is now carrying NASCAR on FOX
Kevin Harvick has been a major upgrade this year. But they still make blunders with camera angles and shots or panning away at bad times that are inexcusable
Wish they didn’t cut half their staff during Pandemic including Matt Yocum.
They cut matt and Alan cavana because of "covid " but then hired Josh Sims not even a year later
It's a shame that apart from a brief run with the SRX on both CBS & ESPN, Yocum has yet to find regular work since he got let go by Fox. Hopefully the addition of both Prime Video & TNT will allow him to return.
Yocum has actually been doing reporting for IMSA on NBC. Not sure if he does more but that's all I see from him
@@2ndamendmentsupportingrepu706yeah because it was way cheaper to hire him
For me, Harvick’s made it more bearable than it was but just one big change isn’t going to fix the problem. Which is something that is a constant for NASCAR nowadays.
Has anyone brought up the final restart from Richmond? No one even knew Denny jumped it at first because when the restart happened, FOX was focused on the last third of the field going through turns 3-4 instead of the leaders.
And the announcers blamed Larson for the caution…at least Bubba fessed up on camera
@brucewatkinson9592 but he didn't wreck Larson
It was just an incident. Tends to happen when you check up right in front of a car from getting loose on corner exit
Get rid of front stretch interviews and bring back victory lane
Gimmie back the Hollywood Hotel!
They won't do that with the advertisements in Victory Lane. With the front-stretch interview, the background is gleefully free of ads.
The worse miss by FOX so far this year was for the Trucks. Completely missed Caruth passing Taylor Gray for the lead at Vegas. Missing wrecks (especially at the Clash and Martinsville 2 smallest tracks) is bad but the pass for the win essentially was worse.
If I was in charge of FOX, here's what I would do
1. Put Adam Alexander and Jamie McMurray in the booth.
2. Get rid of the stupid Cartoon Characters.
3. Get Clint Bowyer out of the booth.
4. Stop showing kids in the crowd.
5. Hire new broadcast people to the control room.
Sounds good to me 👍
Harvick and Mike joy are good tho
@@jbucktheman A 4 man booth could work if done correctly
@@cito1101 NBC booth does that and it can be too crowded at times
What's wrong with the kids in the crowd? It's cool for them to know their getting a quick a show on TV. I know if I was a kid and got shown on TV and saw it on the broadcast later I would be thrilled lol
The fact that the championship race for Trucks last year had the announcers calling the race remotely tells me everything I need to know about Fox's level of commitment. Any title-deciding event should have the announcers physically at the venue, I don't care how far away it is.
The downfall start since Larry Mc leave FOX both in 2016, is not the same without him.
The booth’s biggest problem is there isn’t a good split between the driver and crew chief/team perspective like there was with DW and Larry Mac. Having 2 drivers in the booth at the track is a great loss as someone with a crew chief perspective can give more technical and strategy insight. Larry Mac was great at this but I doubt he’d come back full-time like he was. That’s what NBC still excels at with having Steve Letarte in the booth. Bowyer is annoying half the time anyways.
Yeah larry said in interviews he doesn’t want to do full time
As a european who got into Nascar a couple of years ago i enjoy the broadcasts mostly. But id happily pay a nominal fee monthly to watch Nascar without commercials. Its insanity
Completely agree with all the points made but you missed a big one: the starting line up as the cars roll around the track. They show the graphics and play the music for the first 2 rows, then just stop to do an in-car interview. Then the graphics and music start again and they show a few more rows. Then stop again for another interview. Then throw the graphics back up with the music through row 7, stop and say here's the rest on the bottom of the screen while we talk some more.
It's not just awkward, it's jarring. Bring back the 3D cars and the awesome funky early 2000s music. And for the love of god, announce the whole field. Even David Starr deserves a mention.
I don't mind it when old drivers like kevin harvick, clint bowyer, jeff gordon, etc are talking about the racel/old stories/joking around. What I have huge issues with is how a crash can happen and they not show us it, how hamlin jumping a restart doesn't get shown even after the checkard and it takes a whole race to be shown, how they cut away from stuff getting good. Those are huge issues
They'll show telemetry during any other time of the race but with that restart, they were just like "well it does look like he jumped early...." and left it at that
@clangston3 they "left it at that" because NASCAR officials said he didn't jump the start. It amazes me to no end how folks that run no-budget internet forums and couch-officials like yourself think they can run an extremely complex process like covering a live sport better than the people actually doing it. I think people like yall just like complaining and I for one am tired of this channel and the constant negative Nancy's that apparently make up his core audience.
If one makes focusing on what's wrong in anything, it shouldn't surprise them that their overall experience ends up being negative no matter what. There's literally no pleasing people like that...smfh
@Saldivinorum “And as I looked at it yesterday, multiple times, there’s no doubt he rolled early” Elton Sawyer.
NASCAR didn't say Denny did nothing wrong. They just chose not to enforce a rule.
@clangston3 re-watch the live broadcast. I believe it was Carl that said something to the effect that "NASCAR has ruled it not a jump, so we will move on with this discussion." Hindsight is no argument, I'm going off the live broadcast which reflects the official results. Nice try, but moot.
Clint bowyer just annoys me now I’m done with him
That’s not gonna happen anytime soon
Larson Is On The Outsi-
oh he got turned
-Clint Boyer, 2023 Daytona 500
@@BraydenBunch58 what’s the middle
I Was Stupid :P
But Yeah, Clint’s Pretty Bad
The first 10+ years of Fox were great. It treated NASCAR with respect and had some fun with it as well. Now it’s treated like a joke. I hate when to go to segments during race action and go to full screen on the segment name for a few seconds, and that takes away from the viewer from seeing racing. The booth has gotten better this year, but overall Fox doesn’t present nascar like a big important event. Especially when they moved the pre and post race coverage to a studio. Hopefully with 3 new TV partners next year, fox will finally step up their game
You can’t forget that every crash sounds are from inside the car.
It’s awful watching a big one from one of the outside cameras, but hearing the tire screeching like I’m inside the car. You can show onboard crashes, but let me hear the sound from outside the car when I’m looking outside the car
Fox hyperzooming in on one car among five cars makes me scream at the tv.
One thing I like is the leaderboard on the left side. I get a better sense of the mid-field racing, because we all know the cameras won't show that.
My biggest gripe is the commercials. During the COTA race there were points where it went to commercial every 3 mins
Harvick has brought stability to the booth.
Was listening to MRN… they make the race sound so much more exciting!!
Dale JR did that in the NBC booth we are gonna miss that this year.
Zoomed in on 2 car shots when a 6 car shot was easy. Never saw Busch, Keselowski etc barely Truex.
They REFUSE TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS.
TV production has every employee doing 5 thousand things, you cant just be a camera op. You gotta be a PA and a camera op. You cant just do audio, you gotta do audio and graphics. You cant just direct, you gotta direct and produce. Until that stops, and they bring all the booths to the track in person. It wont get better.
This is a TV issue not a FOX issue. The people running TV hate TV they wanna be a youtube channel. So they fuck up everything work everyone to death and pay em garbage.
You want a fix? MAKE THEM PAY TO HAVE BETTER PRODUCTIONS. Simple.
As an Indycar fan (as well as a NASCAR fan) I'm hoping with every fiber in my being that Fox doesn't get the TV rights. I don't think a Fox Indycar broadcast would be as bad as a Fox NASCAR broadcast because IMS productions is pretty heavy handed in the direction of the broadcast. BUT the Fox camera work and likely choices for broadcast still likely won't be as good as NBC; not to mention their potential to use cartoon graphics.
Radio > TV
Change my mind
Love listening to Jeff Striegle on MRN
Grew up with MRN/PRN since 1978 and actually have listened to more races on the radio than on tv.
Those fellas know how to call a race 👍🏻
@@bigferd4534 Absolutely. I do prefer MRN to PRN, personally, but both do a very good job.
One thing that I do like is I've been seeing more side by side (commercial and race coverage) which I do like compared to the race disappearing entirely.
Fox & NBC 2001-2006 was peak motorsports coverage. That era must be replicated and adapted. It had the "magic" that the late great Bob Jenkins touched on during his ESPN SpeedWorld farewell speech.
NBC > FOX
NBC has it's own extremely glaring issues.
@@crystaljon true but no one speaks of them
@@crystaljon Even so, They're still better
Not even close
You won't be saying that when NBC takes over this summer.
I’d just appreciate the announcers BE AT THE TRACK FOR THE WHOLE TRUCK SEASON!!!
The only positive things I have liked from FOX this year were:
-Highlighting driver pit crews
-Harvick being in the booth and not making jokes all the time like Bowyer
-Raceday stories (its sometimes fun to see some drivers lives outside the track)
The things I don't like or need to be fixed:
-Truck booth (keep Jamie Little on pit road and have people like Alexander and Shaheen being the lead)
-Crank it up on pit road (it's fine every once in a while but when it becomes a weekly thing its irritating bc its more fun to listen to the cars on the racetrack)
-Production and camera team (there's cameras around almost the entire racetrack no excuse to miss or cut from a crash)
-Commercials (at least at some points in the race not just every 10-20 laps that's why I watch the international streams)
-Cartoons (we have production days for a reason and they just don't look that good the other 2 series use them so just go back to real pictures)
-Audio (like AutoRockinRacing94 points out playing onboard audio during crashes is infuriating unless they are actually showing an onboard)
-Cringe segments/skits (just why I get maybe appealing to kids but its just cringe)
It's also annoying to add to the "Audio" part. They do someone's onboard during full speed replays. Don't matter what camera they used, even from the helicopter/blimp. No vroom-vroom, tires screeching, etc. when they used a "wall cam".
Zooming in on one car of the pack, then blocking everything in front of that car with the scoring ticker. No reason that can't be a top scroller like it used to be.
Cutting away from action to show the leader who has checked into a different zip code
Saying dumb things like they did this week like claiming that cars that short pitted "wouldn't have to wait as long for fuel.". Listen, neither the crew chiefs nor the fans are stupid. If there's 50 laps to go, and I can go 40 laps on a tank of fuel, that means I'm going to need an additional 10 laps worth of fuel to make it to the end of the race. From there it doesn't matter if I put with 40 to go, 10 to go, or anywhere in between, I still need the same amount of fuel to get to the finish. If that's roughly 4 gallons, then thats going to be like 4 seconds worth of fuel no matter how you slice it. It's a stupid talking point trying to make a mundane pit stop sound like strategic genius.
Yeah I don't know why not one of the networks has hired Ralph Sheheen yet he's literally working at local short tracks at the moment and literally has history in covering NASCAR races. Hopefully he's gonna be back on TNT but I don't know really.
Can we just get NBC to host all the races please this is embarrassing.
no. Rick Allen sucks
@@andrewtulip7409 well at least it least it be better than what Fox is doing now.
For qualifying, the timing & scoring comparison to 5th or whatever place- that regularly breaks and is wrong.
Another thing I hate about Fox is how goddam much they show the manufacturers on the leaderboard. Instead of showing the gap to the leader, I feel like all I see is what manufacturer a driver is
100%
Would love to see the manufacturers on the leaderboard. The world feed only shows the gap to the leader for the entire race.
Nascar fans are total idiots if they think ratings are gonna decline every year and the networks are going to want to play LESS ads.
Only the first 5 words were needed
That doesn't make sense. Worse ratings mean more ads? So if ratings are really bad, fix it by doing ads for 70% of the broadcast? That's not how broadcasting works, it's just ignorant cynicism that plays on people's negativity, like most upvoted comments on the internet.
@@lightfeather9953 uh... problem is, dude is correct. they are going to force more ads even with ratings down. Just like YT has been doing, they force more ads which causes more people to ad block (if you ain't blocking ads you should be. get ublock origin) which causes YT to double down with more ads which causes more ad blocking which causes more ads. network TV is the same, less people watch the more ads to make up for the loss. (reason more ads on tv networks is less viewers = less ad money so to make it up they push more ads to make the same amount they was before the drop.
@@Dratchev241 It honestly feels like this problem would be 70% solved if the advertisers would just make better ads.
I believe any of pannoni or 80sCommercialVault's uploads would make great starting points, as would the TNN and ESPN NASCAR broadcasts here on UA-cam with the original ads kept in.
If the ads we see every weekend were more like these older ads, I think maybe people wouldn't have so much urgency to skip them and perhaps even actually want to watch them.
@@kpegc quite frank, we are just sick of ads period. who the fuck wants to watch a 60min show that has 30min of ads? nobody. who wants to watch a race where every 5 laps they go for 10mins of ads? nobody.
Missing incidents on a road course is one thing. But missing a wreck on the last lap at MARTINSVILLE is inexcusable
I actually really like Bowyer and Harvick in the booth. I enjoy listening to them banter back and forth. Also, harvicks insights into racing with the next gen car are awesome. I don’t really understand the Bowyer hate. I really like them two together in the booth.
This is why I want IndyCar to stay as far away from FOX as possible but I have no faith in IndyCars leadership right now.
Heard they'll get fox next year
One thing I think they should do in regards to the graphics and whatnot is perhaps look into bringing back what they had in the early 2000s such as the portrait clip of the drivers next to a animation of the cars weaveing back and forth while going through the starting grid and bring back some of the music/themes also while they're at at. Just go and look up the starting lineup/grid for the 2002 Pepsi 400 or the 2001 Daytona 500 on UA-cam for examples, perhaps they could bring that style back as a experiment for the newer modern day fans later on this year, perhaps at Darlington, North Wilkesboro or Charlotte as a throwback to the graphics and themes back in the day to see the reactions of the fans watching on TV when it comes to the older fans alongside the newer modern day fans.
How about they bring back the running order at the top of the screen, and let the running order move through the entire field quickly. The running order is right in the middle of all the action!!
I know its not that simple, but literally just go back and watch the camera direction from 2001-2007, it was WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better.
The victory lane interviews need to come back
Remember the Brandon Brown incident? They're scared of something like that happening again
Why? They interview the winner right after the race. You people are so pathetic with the nonstop complaints
@@user-wm7fx8xb4x I like how the only time you've ever commented on your account is to get mad at me lmao
@lapislazuli4288 I like how you are now complaining about my comment which was responding to the original post by the way, not you.
@@user-wm7fx8xb4x oh boy here we go. I love a UA-cam comment section argument. I have nothing better to do so bring it on pal. Give me your best shot
I don't know how others feel but I thought Kurt Busch did well in the booth, just sayin'. Also I agree with many that FOX misses a lot of action, example, while zooming in on the crowd in the stands. They should spend more time covering the actual race.
Yes Kurt Busch had a lot of interesting stuff to say an explains things really well it's amazing. He would work well with Harvick too.
Agreed. I’ve been saying for a while that a network should hire him.
I don’t know what it was, but honestly the Martinsville race I actually got motion sickness with how much they zoomed in with the camera. It made me legitimately feel sick
That's how short tracks usually feel. Especially bridty
What I hate about Fox broadcast is how much of the race we miss. The commercials are endless, and now they give us this box to watch while they show team meetings, etc. I want to watch the cars racing not some team meeting or whatever. Less commercials and full screen.
They aren’t professional enough
Literally everything fox does in a nutshell. Their NFL coverage isnt good, their MLB coverage isnt good, theyve long stopped being a serious source for any financial or political coverage.
Not saying cable in general is great, its all painful, but fox is certainly part of the reason why.
As an F1 fan I find it hard to watch Nascar with all the commercials and other BS, like just let me pay a subscription and let me watch the entire race without ruining it with constant adds
I would take it back to 2001-2009 when the production and coverage was superior and the racing product was top notch and second to none and had fewer commercial breaks
Missing crashes has been a big issue since 2017
I think the issue is the producers/director. I believe they are the same ones from years ago and they have an old school way of doing things. They haven’t adjusted to modern times. They also have no idea that split cameras exist. NBC is able to show 3 different battles at the same time, think back to Bristol 2021 night race, and Fox acts like that’s too hard to do.
if they fixed the zooming in and awful cuts then we would be much happier
we don't get to watch what we want to see
graphics and the broadcasters can be ignored but what we actually see (the racing) is the most important thing
It seems like they go to a commercial every 5 laps or 5 minutes depending upon the size of the track.
I remember back in the 80s and 90s that whoever was broadcasting the race would quickly come back from a commercial if a wreck occurred. After maybe showing a couple of replays, then they would go back to the commercials.
A couple things not mentioned. Firstly, FOX is incredibly slow at switching camera angles when wrecks happen. There is ZERO urgency to get to an incident... not sure how that could be possible when there are multiple eyes in their studio. Secondly, they hardly EVER interview drivers who crash out anymore. It's incredibly selective. What a dumb way to miss storylines and memorable live moments, and what a disservice to fans, sponsors, and everything else in between.
Dude, I remember when races were on TNN and stuff... Back when NASCAR was fun to watch in 80's and 90's, when they cut back from an ad to the race for a crash. I don't care for the comic characters, but like Clint and Kevin said oh there is a crash and the producer won't show a replay... wft!!!
Bowyer should not be in the NASCAR on FOX booth, he should probably be a team owner somewhere in a NASCAR series
Here’s the best lineup for FOX: Mike Joy, Larry Mac, Kevin Harvick, MAYBE Michael Waltrip
Keep NBC the same and put Allen Bestwick for TNT in 2025
I Think The Problem With Fox Is Management
Fox spent more time interviewing the janitor at HMS than a majority of the top 10 drivers.
the announcers are fine
production…well
Fox needs to go back in time and view The Speed Channel, Speedvision to see how it's suppose to be done. Aw the good ole days. Seriously
Or just bring back the SPEED Channel in its entirety.
I think their biggest missteps were the reality shows and the overabundance of NASCAR talk shows, but I think they did everything else right.
I think 2 of said NASCAR shows done really well (Race Hub and some sort of Inside Cup roundtable show revival) would be just the right amount of extra NASCAR coverage that doesn't feel overabundant.
The SPEED Channel did a fantastic job of making the entire world of motorsports feel like a grand event that embodied the pinnacle of competition and visual spectacle, and covered it with a high degree of professionalism balanced with a lighthearted feel in a way that I don't think anyone else has been able to replicate.
BTW, bringing back SPEED Center and Wind Tunnel (maybe with David Land as Dave Despain's successor?) wouldn't hurt, either. I believe the market has been begging for some sort of a SportsCenter like show dedicated to auto racing for over a decade now.
Bring back Vince Welch to lead the truck broadcast I mean dang it I miss his broadcast after dealing with Jamie Little being the play by play announcer.
Vince retired
No you don't. Man's voice needed hot tea and honey and everyone found it irritating and he sounded like he was phoning in his hype and excitement
@@chloe-stephlis6281 he got forced out of FOX is what I heard.
@vidmasterK1 Are you enjoying Jamie Little, Michael Waltrip and Phil Parson? If so you are the minority in this argument. Michael Waltrip is definitely more made for pre-race stuff.
@tylerandfriendsgaming1546 what a weird conclusion to jump to. Never did I say any of that
First off nascar on fox they need to get rid of Mike Joy saying “One lap to go sponsored by credit one bank” no one cares about that just let the race end
I couldn't have summed it up better. Cartoons, bad camera cuts, zoom up shots constantly, and missing little details (like Martinsville winners) and racing action (like the wreck at the end of Sunday's race) have to go.
Breaking news: 24 Car fails Tech. Having the transmission from the fast and furious movies with unlimited gears violates section 4 code 5.3 of the rule book that is made up anyway.
My friend watched the Xfinity race on Saturday (it was her first full race), and she asked me if the broadcast and camera work is always this bad. I hated having to answer that question. It's disappointing having that question asked form someone who knows very little about the sport.
In all honesty, just let NASCAR do their own camera work directing and then use the radio call by MRN to be the standard going forward. If I had to chose between the television call vs the radio call, I’ll go with the radio call since MRN and to an extent PRN does a fantastic job with their calls of the race. I hope, even though it’s a long shot of ever happening, that we can at least have a television call that’s on the same level of professionalism as what F1 currently has.
Heck, promote Adam Alexander up to Cup and bring back Allen Bestwick. A booth of Alexander, Bestwick, and Harvick would be a great combo tbh.
Thank you for making this video. FOX still the biggest issue in all of Nascar right now.
Pick any race from the late 80's, or anytime in the 90,s and you will see what nascar needs to do to get more intrest.
CBS needs to return
I Don't Think That's Not Gonna Happen.
Maybe tbs? Or...
@@lionelnextelstudios0.282 ...TNT.
I do know the Xfinity Series is gonna be on the CW in 2025. 266 days left till 2025.
Such a bitchy fanbase
Maybe there should actually be some one in the booth during the truck series instead of being done remotely.
Something you didn't mention that really bothers me is full screen cutaways that are completely unnecessary. If they want to talk to a driver at the care center, crew chief, whoever, I don't think we need the whole screen to take up the interview. If it's under caution, fine, but during the race? No, put that person in a PIP, just like we used to.
As for the points in the video, all of which were valid, A lot of it could be fixed without any budget changes, so it's really a matter of execs being stupid. It doesn't cost anything for the camera guys to zoom-in less and it doesn't cost them anything to stop the random screen cuts. It's just bad management.
That said, I do feel that them putting races on cable networks is a particularly bad decision, especially with more and more people dropping cable TV. If NASCAR wants to be considered a major sport, they have to be on major networks.
I, too, think Harvick has been good in the booth. When Mike Joy has a competent partner, he is still stellar. But thinking Harvick would solve the Bowyer Problem is asking too much. It would be easier to get rid of Clint altogether or swap him out for someone in the studio, either Larry Mac or Jamie.
And while we’re at it, Mikey’s grid walk and his whole Gomer Pyle schtick is long past tiresome.
Install Adam Alexander as the anchor for all 3 series. The Truck Series race has become literally unwatchable under this season's broadcast format.
Question. Is the ad breaks just the Australian version? Or is it the broadcast itself. Coz down under we get up so early to watch SVG and have a commercial break every 10 laps. At COTA, we had 2 laps and a then an 8 minute break (I timed it because it was so regular)
Miss the days when Fox would cut from commercials to show a wreck rather than wait until they are back…. My wife adores Jamie Little and her job she does on pit road because she knows what she is talking about and is knowledgeable. Although it was cool that hendrick celebrated 40 years there was 30 seconds maybe of them mentioning oh btw Team Penske is on their 6000 start overall today… like really I had to see The Captains stats on X. Btw move Cindric to the booth full time on the Xfinity series and get him out of the 2 pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeee
there's no way the graphics are going. tv production is a hell of a lot easier if you're loading the same assets. a whole new production pipeline just for one sport is just not going to fly with the beancounters
As a fan of F1 and WEC I will never be able to into NASCAR because of the commercials.
Nascar in a weird since should copy F1. They are incredibly different yes but as someone that enjoys both and while F1 has its problems they have got the camera work down. A minor problem here and there i can accept but the only time they truly zoom in is when 2 drivers are really batteling. Nascars zoom ins is just comical at this point
I miss it when it was Larry Mac, DW, and Mike Joy
Jamie Little is great on the cup broadcast in the pits but is horrifically bad on the truck broadcast in the booth
She tries to be exciting but just like Welch she's not cut out for commentating
Harvick has been the best addition to the Fox booth since they started in 2001. Period. Bowyer was a good choice. He fills the high energy/excitement gap that DW used to fill, but he can still have his awkward moments.
Fox and ESPN used to show the top 10 as they crossed the finish line and cut to any last lap top ten battles. fox and nbc don't do that much
Agree. Now, as soon as the leader crosses the line, they cut to the stands, or the winning pit crew. Don't even show 2nd on back.
Please bring Larry Mac back to the booth😭
He said he doesn't really want to travel anymore
It's being produced and directed by people who have no ambition besides punching the timeclock.
My main criticism of fox can be summed up with one statement: color commentary is supposed to fill the gaps in between play-by-play, but with Fox we're seeing play-by-play fill the gaps when color commentary occasionally runs out of things to say. Joy was a beacon of professionalism the last couple years and did his best to provide some structure to the broadcast. Now it seems like he's let that all go and is content to sit back and laugh as Bowyer and Harvick do their schtick, completely giving up on his play-by-play duty.
My biggest problem with racing broadcasts is this enormous totem pole on the left of the screen. They eliminate half of a zoomed in shot. It seems to have gone through every racing series on the planet now and IMSA’s is the worst. Just go back to scrolling ticker at the top of the screen.
The best FOX race in the last 5+ years was the first Darlington race in 2020. No gimmicks, just a solid attempt at making the broadcast work.
Thete is absolutely no excuse for not showing crashes, they have side by side for commercials and pits stops how the cant have a view on the lead and the supposedlly crash that wasnt shown on the last at martsinville just boggles the mind. Its a fucking oval it shouldnt be that hard
I mean if Byron has a 98th gear..it explains why he’s won so much. 😂
I’m not sure what FOX is going to do when Mike Joy retires or they finally decide to move on from him. They don’t necessarily have anyone waiting in the wings who would be the right fit for lead commentary of the Cup Series.
Adam Alexander is solid, but he isn’t someone who I think is the best choice to call races in the top series.
Casual NASCAR fan here, primarily WEC and Supercars. I partially disagree about tight shots, when applied correctly it can give great TV perspective on a cars behavior, giving insight into differences in comparative set-ups. That's the thing, broadcasters need to experiment with the how to apply them with ovals (and with any luck listen to feedback and criticism). On road courses the formula is usually the same: low angle, fixed or limited fov, set up pointed at the apex or a kerb or on the exit. Ovals could definitely present issues. I also think the super slow-motion shots they do need to be applied to more that just wrecks or outstanding moments, they can also be applied to the "mundane" parts of racing, like a tight shot of the leader nearing the end of a tire stint and comparing how well their tires are hanging on or falling off. Or tight, low, fixed, and super slow-mos of cars exiting 2 at Darlington (not sure if they do that already, if so, that's proper application).
My issue with fox is. Well not so much Harvick or Mike Joy. I just can't stand Bowyer in the Booth. I mean this dude. Just turns everything into a Comedy show. Basically moaning and moaning and Begging for cautions and when he gets one. He just laughs at it which imo is just unprofessional
As an Indycar fan in addition to NASCAR, I really hope that they don't sign a deal with Fox for 2025 as is rumored because Fox would take the awfulness of their NASCAR coverage & absolutely make Indycar's TV coverage even worse than it already is with NBC. Speaking of NBC, it is clear to me based on their coverage so far this season that they really want to boot Indycar off of their networks after this season (when the current TV deal ends) & are heavily favoring NASCAR/IMSA over Indycar. An example of this is Leigh Diffey recently being named the new voice of their NASCAR coverage which will likely result in someone who has no experience calling Indycar calling the last 4-5 races of the Indycar season before NBC calls it quits. I also haven't seen any ads from NBC promoting the Indy 500 which tells me that they do not care about Indycar one bit. Indycar really needs to create its own free streaming service when it comes to airing races next season as I don't think any broadcaster (apart from Fox) is interested in Indycar even with the Indy 500 as the marquee event. Even Amazon Prime & Apple TV have said they aren't interested in Indycar which tells you how far Indycar has fallen in the eyes of broadcasters.
NASCAR needs to start streaming the races. I know ow you will still need a broadcast team but with all the streaming out there, it’s time nascar gets on train
I work in sports broadcasting. Granted a different sport, but yeah, a lot of these complaints are director-centric.
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I think the issue of missing the accidents comes down to the mentality of the production team and what they’re trying to catch live. Here’s why:
The amount of tempers flaring, intentional crashes, arguments, and fights has gone up dramatically in the past 7 years. Fox knows that’s what people like to see, they like that excitement so if they catch as much of that as possible it should boost ratings. You can tell they’re looking for battles for position all the time hoping one will not turn out well. When you focus on that too much, you start to miss other things that happen. To put it another way, it’s as if you were watching football, the broadcast focuses on the tackles so much hoping that someone will get punched or horse collared that they miss where the ball is thrown. That’s what it feels like.