Why NASCAR on FOX Used To Be GREAT
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- NASCAR on FOX has been one of the most hated entities in sports television in recent years, but at one time it was far from it. NASCAR on FOX used to be on the cutting edge of NASCAR broadcasting and made the first half or so of every NASCAR season both fun and exciting to watch on a weekly basis. So today we are going to look back in time 10-20 years ago to see just what they did so right to endear themselves to the vast majority of NASCAR fans. This is why NASCAR on FOX used to be great.
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What is your favorite NASCAR on FOX moment?
Darlington 2003 easily
Too many to count but here's one that stands out, "Smith gets the flag! And this time he'll get to keep it!"
When they switch to NBC
Talladega 2012
The first time I watched it in 2007.
I think FOX has gone downhill ever since Steve Byrnes died
Steve was the very best in his profession.
Ik I wish I was him
@@tatsupazuzu to replace by Steve Neville and Vince welsh
Yep and ever since Mikey got a full time job at Fox and stopped racing.
And now we have ads that go “i NeEd tO tRy iT fIrSt!” Nonstop
Fox was amazing from the very beginning (2001) until about 2013. With the untimely passing of Steve Byrnes, Dick Bergrenn retiring after 2012, Larry Mac leaving in 2015, Fox has not been able to put the right pieces together. Fox put more effort and energy into their broadcast and it made watching the racing experience an entertaitnment all together. It is such a shame what Fox is to what it used to be.
The 2001 starting grid animation with drivers making goofy faces and amusing music, is the best starting grid presentation I have ever seen and is one of the reasons I started actively following Nascar as a kid. I never understood why they abondoned this concept so soon.
I thought of this too. My favorite was Kenny Wallace and the monkey dance or whatever it was that he did.
That was probably the most cutting edge thing I had ever seen when that debuted! Heck, it still holds up great today more than 20 years later!
Bringing it back would be an easy way to address complaints that the drivers are too corporate and have bland personalities nowadays.
It seems like such a missed opportunity; it lets the drivers be themselves a little in a way I think everyone would be able to appreciate.
@kpegc plus it wasn't just the drivers, their cars were also animated as well! Having them moving instead of just still photos also added that extra bit of flair as well!
FOX in the early 2000's was GOLD with DW, Mike Joy and Larry Mac. Now today Mike Joy is still there, but past his prime, Clint Bowyer the goofy comedian at points, but doesn't provide as much analysis, and a rotating 3rd Commentator (honestly, have Jamie McMurray be the 3rd person in the booth.
What FOX needs to do is get Bowyer out the booth and Jamie Mac in the booth full-time, have a better lead Commentator, Stop doing goofy and cringe skits trying to make a big race look like a big Joke, and GET RID OF THE GOD AWFUL CARTOON CHARACTERS!!!!
At this point, why bother? They're about to get screwed by NBC and the new TV deal, so I say, let them go the way of CBS and TNT/NBCSN
The cartoon characters are absolute 💩
Boyer is the 1 who tells what is going on a d why. The other 2 are asking him things. I don't even think the critics on these channels even watch the races!
NASCAR on FOX in the early 2000’s was when FOX was at it’s best. You had great personalities in Mike Joy, DW, Larry Mac, and Jeff Hammond. You had great pit reporters in Steve Byrnes, Krista Voda, and Dick Berggren. Miss those days.
Nowadays, we got cringe.... Everything. Mike Joy got stale, DW was fired, LMC got moved to Charlotte, and Clint Bowyer is the Seth Rogen of the crew. Pit reporters aren't any better. Jamie Little can't hold a LIGHTER to Krista Voda no matter how hard she tries, what was Fox thinking? The broadcast has become so unbearable that I went to almost every racetrack on their half of the schedule (provided it's cheap and there's a bus route nearby) just to not watch it
Man, i used to have a crush on Krista. Good point beyond that though. They had everyone then
@@S.K.R.E.Inc. DW wasn''t fired. He simply retired.
Jeanne Zalasko you forgot about her as well
@@blaisemichael7872 my crush was Jeanne Zalasko
The funny thing now with FOX is I hear them call NASCAR drivers “The greatest drivers in the world,” yet in their hype videos and promotions there are crashes every other second…
What a way to make a Motorsport look like a joke
NBC's coverage ain't exactly all rainbows and unicorns either. My favorite NASCAR on Fox moment would have to be Steve Byrnes' interview with Tony Stewart about Joey Logano at Fontana.
NBC have knowledgeable, experienced personalities, but way too many and a crowded booth, Jeff Burton SHOULD NOT be calling Cup races, especially with how similar he sounds too Dale Jr, I personally believe NBC would be a billion times better if they gave Steve Letarte a similar role to Larry McReynolds' current role with a virtual cutaway car amd gave statistics and strategies, move Rick Allen to a host role, hosting the pre race ahow and post race, move Kyle Petty and Dale Jarrett to the booth permanently, and NBC would be awesome.
Dale Jr is there as long as Steve Letarte is there, and NBC knows it. Any change to those 2 and it's ESPN all over again. Maybe bring back Allen Bestwick if available to go alongside those 2, have Dale Jarrett and Kyle Petty be the pit reporters, that would be awesome. Also, bring back Fuel for the start and end of the race, it made NBC the "hip" network back in the day
@polycube868 Both Jeff Burton and Rick Allen are terrible, so I'd agree with booting Burton and moving Allen away from the race broadcast to a pre or post-race position
Mike Joy has no enthusiasm anymore. It sounds like he doesn’t want to be there anymore
He honestly should retire his legacy shouldnt be known as a aging commentator who has no enthusiasm
Facts. The final lap of the Daytona 500 sounded like he was commenting golf. Not to mention how many errors he has made this year (like repeatedly saying Truex finished 2nd to Stewart in 2016 Sonoma when most people know it was Hamlin). I love Mike; he is a legend, but it's like watching Jimmie Johnson's final 3 years at this point. Next year should be his farewell season.
It seems to me more like he is disappointed in how bad the broadcast has become on Fox.
Mike Joy isn't getting any younger and I am even feeling like he needs to step down. His steady hand on everything is slipping and there really isn't any chemistry in the booth and FOX takes chemistry wrecks it with all these guests.
@@caseysmith544 I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't both dissatisfied with the production value and the next gen car even though he has to hype it up as if it's the best thing in NASCAR history.
It seems like Fox has turned to NASCAR to promote absolutely everything else they have coverage of during race broadcasts. I never see NASCAR pushed that hard during any of their other events like I have this year with USFL Football. (I see now that Fox Corporation is the owner of the league)
On top of that it’s pretty evident they oversell ad spots to increase revenue because they see NASCAR as one big advertisement parade and not a sport.
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I agree. But Tbf NASCAR isn't really a sport but more of an entertainment product somewhat akin to reality TV.
I mean, stage cautions, driver fights, be glad the track doesn't stop for commercials like NFL do, but they're getting real close
Replays are a big problem for FOX
IMO, the decline started when Fox rebranded Speed into FS1.
The reason I say that is that yes, Fox itself ended coverage in May or June, but these same announcers were seen year around on Speed, which means that the announcers where able to show their personalities without detracting from the racing product, and is why Fox had the chill vibe going on, while still being professional.
In addition gave time for people who didn't have a strong knowledge base of the sport a chance to learn, and gave their existing talent a chance to further their relationship with the teams and viewers.
Fox is trying to shove the antics/features they used to do on Speed during the race telecast itself, and it detracts from the broadcasts, and it doesn't help that outside of Jamie Little, the people they hired to replace their old guard either have a personality of cardboard, or are told to try way too hard to be goofy.
And that re-brand started when Speed lost the F1 rights to NBC after the 2012 season. Outside of NASCAR & IMSA, SPEED's biggest property was F1 & when that left, it really started SPEED's demise (though there were warning signs leading up to that).
Also, Jamie Little can't hold a matchstick to Krista Voda when she was around. Idk what Fox was thinking
i loved the starting grid music that went like bom bom ba neow now ba ba na now na na now
You mentioned that around 2012 is the last great period for nascar on fox, around that time, I liked when they had Dierks Bentley do a modified version of “Sideways” for the nascar on fox intro. Great intro to hype up the race. Miss those types of things they would include. Feel like once Fox sports took over Speed channel, that was the beginning of the downfall of nascar coverage on Fox
DW, Steve Byrnes, Dick Berggren and a ton of others. The graphics. The overall presentation and how they would interview drivers. Hell I miss when the names of drivers scrolled across the top of the screen and were colored like their cars, instead of the block on the left of the screen. Everything was just better. It feels forced now
It all started by them getting rid of larry mac
Fox 2001-2006
Amazing production, great audio, the commentators were top notch, pit reporters gave valuable insight, they made fun gimmicks and skits involving the drivers, the Crank It Ups were the best part of the broadcast, also 90% of the races were on the big network, giving plenty of viewers the chance to watch it
Fox 2007-2016
They had a monopoly on the sport, a couple things were changed a bit, but it's still great to watch. However, things started to take a turn after Steve Byrnes died and Chris Myers left for a bit. Also, they were starting to move 2/3 of thr schedule to Speed, which most of us didn't have, and the recession accelerated cable being cut
Fox 2017-2021
The broadcast has started to become unbearable, LMC was moved to Charlotte, DW retired, Mike Joy is not immune to age as he's starting to get stale, the pit reporters suck, the Crank it Ups start to become mid, then FS1 came into the picture, and cable is starting to not be worth it anymore, and there was no alternative to watch without it being a hole in your pocket or requiring TV providers to access it, leaving those with only an antenna in the dust. Then Bowyer came along, and it became downright unbearable. I only tolerated him because Jeff Gordon was in there with him keeping the balance
Fox 2022-2024(hopefully)
I completely lost respect for the Fox half of the season, it became so cringe, dull, and completely out of it, that I started heading to the tracks on their half of the schedule as much as possible. That's how bad it's gotten. Hopefully tbey get screwed out of the new TV deal taking place next year, and another network takes its place. Heck, NBC can do it solo the entire season, and it'll STILL be good than whatever cringe idea Fox has
NBC can’t/won’t do the entire season.
Mike Joy is good but Bob Jenkins will always be better in my book.
I'd agree, Bob Jenkins, Mike Joy, and Allen Bestwick are my favorites
When NASCAR became a gimmick starting in 2014 that’s when the downfall of Fox began
To me, the top NASCAR on Fox moment has to unquestionably the 2003 Darlington spring race, you had a truly great race, there was plenty of lead changes, the now iconic side by side finish with Kurt Busch and Ricky Craven, and to top it all off, Craven beating Kurt Busch to the line by a literal nose. One moment in Fox's tenure with NASCAR I'll likely never forget.
I miss the old CBS sports days compared to the Fox Sports coverage
I hope Fox can get better in the booth with Harvick joining after he retires but the overall broadcast sucks, with commercials galore ruining the race and it makes fans tune out.
Yes, the shear amount of commercials is the big issue with Fox in just about every sport do so many they run into dead air or with error with nothing worse the NBC and NBC can be bad with this dead air too but more for errors in broadcast for NBC where as Fox this is also not just errors but the dead air due to having too many commercials.
"They were far and away the best broadcasting NASCAR has ever had"
Bob Jenkins, Dr. Jerry Punch, and ESPN Speedworld would like a WORD.
Bob, Ned, and Benny were the best. And nobody covered the pits (and saved lives) like Jerry Punch.
Off topic but not, but Krista Voda not being in NASCAR now is a crime
FOX didn't get "better" or "worse", it's just that all the people they poached from the pre-2001 era eventually cycled out and the people they replaced them with weren't acclimated with the sport nor really cared to do so. FOX has always been FOX, it's just that for a little while there the adults were still in the room. Once they were gone it became a cartoon show.
Yep.
That's why I say the decline started when Fox replaced Speed with FS1.
During the Speed era, if Fox had an announcer they wanted to try out, they placed them on practice/qualifying sessions, and on the filler shows between sessions. If they worked out, they moved up the latter into becoming regulars, if they didn't, Fox cut ties, and brought in another announcer.
In addition, it gave their existing talent the chance to broaden their knowledge/relationships with drivers and crews.
People seem to forget how much hate DW got in the booth. It was not at all the rainbows and unicorns presented here. He got every bit of the hate Clint Bowyer has gotten.
Frankly, the sport as a whole was 1000X better back then - I don't think Fox "made" it better. Although I liked the Fox coverage back then, the product/racing could carry itself. That is not typically the case these days.
DW never deserved it, so what if he's corny!? He has enthusiasm, and that's better than professionalism, and Mike Joy reigned him in when he got too silly.
@@PaperBanjo64 DW had some cringe moments especially when trying to be funny with different a Boogity call adding Danica to it.
Even back in the day, plenty of us felt that DW was too over the top. I personally never cared for "boogity boogity boogity".
@@johnhaas2523 Agreed on that, I could tolerate DW, but Mikey I can't stand.
I didn’t watch NASCAR during its boom period, mainly because I wasn’t alive for most of it. I just want there to be more energy, and stop with all the cringy skits. They need to also do a better job at coverage. There’s a lot of stuff that they just simply miss or do a shit job at capturing. And finally they need to chill with the commercials or go side by side every time they do go to commercials.
Fox changed the cast, but lost the professional excitement. Tony and Clint are wildcards, DW was amazing. Mike Joy is the absolute anchor of the team. Larry Mac needs more airtime, Americas Crew Chief! Jeff Gordon was pure professional. Benny Parsons was a legend, like Buddy Baker.
I blame the death of Steve Byrnes, retirement of Dick Berggren, and the Curse of Digger being the downfall of Fox.
It’s almost like Fox was great when NASCAR was great, and they fell off at the same rate. When you start putting races on FS1 less people watch. When less people watch, the sport becomes smaller. When the sport becomes smaller, the people who put on the show feel (rightfully) less important. Imagine going into work and the company you work for keeps getting bigger and bigger. Pay rates go up, people really want to work there and feel lucky to be there. Then imagine going into work and the company you work for keeps deteriorating. Your customer base is maybe a third of what it was. People don’t want that job anymore, it’s a dead end. How in the world do you keep the morale up when the whole world knows that this thing is failing. No matter how much you put into it, there’s just less people who care because the people running the place have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IN YHE HELL’S GOING ON.
2003...Have you ever !!!...No i never!!!!
Ice w the damn grid lineup in the back what about that they don’t even care about the starting grid anymore
I'm going to be controversial and say that I really don't care about the debate or if FOX sucks or not or if NBC or FOX is better with NASCAR.
To me, it is very nitpicky to complain, especially when the most important product is the racing NASCAR itself produces. I enjoy both FOX and NBC's formats and they both have their good points.
I enjoy Dale Jr's typical awesome personality on the booth and NBC's pretty cool pit road reporters, and I like Mike Joy's iconic commentary as well as Bowyer being a bit of a clown on the booth. And I am a bit tired of internet users telling me whether what I think is right or wrong regarding the broadcasters.
My only complaint with FOX is Jamie Little commentating the Trucks. Jamie Little is a great pit reporter but she's awful as a commentator, no disrespect to her, but I don't like her commentary. She's definitely not made to do real-time commentating. Otherwise, I enjoy the commentating at FOX, and the occasional goofyness of it, Race Hub, and the occasional errors like JJ Yeley being the 2009 F1 World Champion is just hilarious and legendary.
If we are looking for more and younger viewers a 73 year old play by play announcer doesn't cut it. F1 is a boring race yet the announcers are amazing and so exciting.
That early run of NASCAR on Fox hit the perfect blend of professional and fun. The races had that relaxing lazy Sunday afternoon vibe, but the races also felt like a big deal.
What made Fox so good, especially the first decade was the personalities. Between Chris and Jeff in the Hollywood Hotel to Mike, DW and Larry in the booth even to the pit reporters. You could tell that all the on air talent had real chemistry and genuinely liked each other. Sadly as the original crew began to retire, it’s just not the same. Don’t get me wrong. Mike Joy is still absolutely fantastic as a play by play, but they just never could get the color right after DW retired. Bowyer has shown some signs that he is getting better. But it just isn’t quite as good as it was in the beginning.
I personally preferred broadcasts from about '88-'97 to anything Fox ever did. Yeah, the production quality may have been lower, but I loved the commentators we had back then. Ken Squire was great at making each race feel like a grand event of its own, not just 1/36th of a championship battle, Bob Jenkins had a perfect balance of being informative and exciting, and Ned Jarrett was always a good calming presence. And before the introduction of tickers, they did a good job of really going "through the field". Starting lineups would mention everybody, and everyone would get talked about at some point in the broadcast. Fox to me was always a bit too goofy, even in their heyday.
Thank you I agree
Second on that
Right F-ing on!!!
I personally think that when Darrell Waltrip retired from the booth is when everything started changing for how NASCAR on Fox was like Mike Jeff and Darrell worked well together, not to the degree of Mike Larry and Darrell, but after he retired from broadcasting in 2019 full-time at least I feel like that’s when NASCAR fox started to change
1. Watching Mike Joy this season was similar to watching Joe Biden trying to express himself. And his lashing out at "Keyboard Warriors" was pure Biden-like behavior. Age related declination.
2. Whatever was the problem with Vince Welch, Jamie Little is not the solution.
3. Repeatedly bringing in a guest commentator that had to watch his junk getting destroyed and beatdown on the track while on live TV was brutal.
4. The FOX production team missed a lot of crucial action on the track and there were many disconnects from the storytelling going on in the booth versus what was being shown on the screen, as well as one of the booth members (usually Boyer) screaming about someone going around or hitting the wall and the cameras are stuck on a kid eating cotton candy while riding a tricycle or some other unrelated subject and failing to switch immediately to the incident. Several times it took several minutes after one of the infamously long commercial breaks for FOX crew to scrape up some lame video of what happened to cause the caution with the ensuing matinee length barrage of commercials.
I think the first post is invalid...Biden would probably call them typewriter warriors 😂
@@PaperBanjo64 I like the way you think.
I think some of Darrell Waltrip’s quotes were the best part of it. He was really a good commentator who managed to act like a race fan at the same time.
MTJ won the first race and the last race of the FOX 2023 Season
I will always maintain that the 2001-2006 NASCAR TV package (including NBC) is the zenith of motorsport broadcasting.
I think the major problem is the change of culture in NASCAR. Before the chase/playoffs, each race was the focus of a given weekend. Matt Kenseth recently observed that back then, points weren't talked about very much (except for after the race). Now, under a system supposedly all about wins, points are talked about constantly. The broadcasts uses to follow what's happening right now. These days, the agenda is following the playoff contenders. Anyone not within reach of making the cut is not talked about unless they spin or crash.
The problem with fox now is that it all feels phoned in. There’s a lack of chemistry in the booth, the pit reporters are not as engaging, the camera angles got worse, the commercials, and when there’s an incident that happens during a commercial, there’s no cut back to the coverage. Also the front stretch interviews (both networks have this problem). I have no clue how it went downhill so quickly
Not many people remember Mike Joy being in the MRN broadcast for the 1979 Daytona 500. Then he interviewed Darrell Waltrip when he won the Daytona 500 in 1989. Starting in 1998 he became a full time commentator. That's the stepping stones of how broadcasting should be set. People that have decades of knowledge with the sport. People that don't sound overly scripted or cringy. Same can be said with the pit reporters. They had personality, some even joked around with the drivers like Tony Stewart and Dale Jr. You just dont see that anymore. FOX really made NASCAR stand out since NASCAR isn't considered a sport by most fans: the pre shows helped that out. These days it's a joke.
I thought I remember him calling some Truck races on CBS along with IRL events as well so not like he didn't know what he was getting into
Probably 2003 Darlington was the best I’ve seen on Fox
I do think yes FOX NASCAR hasn't been great in recent years and they have been really a disliked entities for sure.
Honestly I think the biggest improvement this year from Fox is Bowyer.
Although he had his bad moments this year, he seems to have started to grow into his position as a color commentator, both Mike Joy and Clint Bowyer needs to have that third person who fits them both.
I think Adam Alexander can help fit this bill.
Bowyer is great for the booth. He comes off as a very excited fan.
Adam Alexander is a great commentator and once Mike Joy retires, I think he could fill that role
@Midsouth Cup Series I actually like Adam Alexander, he has a funny voice but he uses it well, Rick Allen has a smooth voice but isn't as articulated as Adam Alexander is.
Harvick is coming to the booth next year though.
Bowyer has gotten better each year as they have reigned him in. I still think he expands to fill quiet moments with his voice. He needs to learn to not talk at every single opportunity and let the broadcast booth breathe.
I believe that NASCAR on FOX went on a downfall when SPEED Channel died on August 17, 2013 imo.
One name,
Two words:
Darrel Waltrip
I think currently the booth, the reporters, the coverage overall is fine. Not perfect, certainly not at the 2001 - 2012 or so level, but it's fine.
The biggest problem is the commercials!! Run 5 laps, commercials. Oops we missed a lead change or a wreck, so lets recap. Okay we're caught up, 5 more laps, and another commercial!! It's maddening!!
IndyCar handles that soooooo much better.
I'll never understand why people think the commentators have any pull over the overall production, nor the sheer insanity of thinking that out of all the issues FOX has, that Mike Joy of all people is somehow the issue. He and Larry Mac are the absolute best commentators we still have and going after them in the wake of things like "THE....WHEEL" and other goofy shit. It's like critiquing the wallpaper in a room covered in dirt.
The turning point was when they replaced Jeff Hammond with Michael Waltrip. That fully signaled their intentions of where they wanted their broadcasts to go...to the clownshow.
Not gonna lie. I still like nascar on fox. I do hate that the graphics don’t do a great job of just letting the race positions roll and I don’t like Clint but I don’t think it’s as bad as people say. All nascar broadcasters show too many commercials and I find most commentators boring anyway. The both for Fox should be mike joy, Jamie mcmurray, and Larry mac.
Both Fox and nbc zoom in too much and don’t cover the whole field enough. Things like stage breaks have ruined a lot of strategy and coverage accordingly. I remember watching green flag pit stops and thinking of how exciting they were. Stage breaks ruin that.
The one thing I haven’t seen the comments mentioned from this year’s NASCAR on FOX broadcasting this season that I was disappointed with was during the North Wilkesboro All Star race was Darrell Waltrip not saying Boogity Boogity Boogity, let’s go racing boys! I was sad because Mike Joy was talking too much when the race started. Maybe FOX told DW not to say it? Maybe it’s just me with that disappointment? Would anyone else agree with me too? That in my opinion was when I started to realize that NASCAR on FOX was not what it used to be.
One of the main reasons FOX sucks now, is because the Director constantly shows you something that gets you interested...and then...takes it away, by switching to a different camera!!!! I curse the director every race. I've been a NASCAR fan since 1988, when Lake Speed won his only race. Favorite moment: Jr winning Daytona in 2001 is one of them for sure!
Im sorry but ill take Fox over Letarte, burton and Jr yelling at the top of their damn lungs, every fricken lap. Give me the days of Bestwick, Dallenbach and Benny!
I think it's mostly Dale Jr. But he's Dale Jr, so what do you expect from him???
Just ain't the same without DW & Larry Mc. imo. 🤷♂️ DW used to get on my nerves something serious! He could be just too goofy at times, but now I miss him. Sure, Larry Mc's still around, but he needs to be in the booth.
I feel like Larry Mac getting kicked out of the booth was the end of the golden era of NASCAR on FOX.
Harvick becoming a broadcaster next year might improve fox, maybe
We'll see.
The booth is better but for the most part not the rest. Especially on the camera angles side of things.
I feel the old trifecta Larry Mac DW and Mike joy was awesome and the all star race was good but Clint bowyer man he is just there they tried replacing DW with bowyer and it’s not good
Clint has no polish. DW commentated Busch races from time to time while he was still active on the Cup circuit. DW owned his own team and was a great spokesman. He could get into TV. Bowyer doesn't come off as polished as DW was. There are things he has to work on. The last thing I would ever expect is for Clint to be that bad.
Mike Larry and Darrell made perfect chemistry
NASCAR on Fox was king when it first started now it’s crashed and gotten so bad.
I remember this classic exchange:
John Hannafin: “Well, this is John Hannafin with Kenny Rogers. And now back to you, Bill.”
Bill Weber: “Well, that, of course, was not Kenny Rogers.”
Benny Parsons: “Not even close!”
The 2021 season was kinda a return to form that year with clint jeff and Mike they blended together but when jeff left it went down hill from thier agean
It isn't just NASCAR that Fox used to be great at covering. I grew up in the days in which F1 was on SPEED from 1998-2012 (with races also on Fox Sports Net & Fox itself during that run). Back then F1 wasn't even considered among the top 5 when it came to racing series in this country & was considered a niche series. However despite this Fox treated F1 with respect & had some of the best people doing their best to cover the sport & educate new/young fans like myself about it. People like Bob Varsha, Sam Posey, David Hobbs, Peter Windsor & Steve Matchett basically turned me into a die hard F1 fan in addition to a NASCAR fan. I think the moment that NASCAR on Fox started to go downhill was when SPEED was turned into FS1. However what many people may not realize is that the catalyst for that whole transition was when F1 left SPEED for NBC and took the majority of the talent (minus Bob Varsha & Peter Windsor) after the 2012 season. When F1 left, it basically opened the door for all of the other series besides NASCAR to leave SPEED. Fox then realized that they needed to do whatever it took to keep NASCAR from leaving which basically resulted in the coverage we see today from them. As for the current coverage of F1 by ESPN, it is absolutely terrible apart from the commercial free aspect because ESPN does not bother to hire its own people or camera crews to go to every race & simply uses the Sky Sports global feed to cover F1 despite the fact they promote the heck out of F1 on SportsCenter.
I miss the intros from 2001. Got me pumped up.
NASCAR on FOX Sports started to become not as good when NASCAR Cup and Xfinity races were on FOX/FS1 after they were done with ESPN and TNT.
Honestly I’m not a fan of both FOX and Reboot NASCAR on NBC nowadays (of course NBC is better, but it’s overpraised and they show a lot of commercials too and everyone forgets about it). NASCAR coverages in general aren’t as good as they used to be.
Sad to see NASCAR on FOX Sports continue to be bad…
@@johnhaas2523 who said I have an issue with their production?
2022 was when FOX Sport’s coverage went downhill. I meant after 2022 was when they went downhill. Reboot Nascar on NBC is alright. Oh and my favorite Nascar on FOX moment was when Darrell Waltrip said “Boogity Boogity Boogity let’s go racing boys” from 2002 to 2019 and my other favorite Nascar on FOX moment was just recently when Kyle Busch won at Gateway International Raceway.
Ahhhh the memories that the intro music brought back....
@ 0:01 alone is the reason why fox was great. That theme and opening was the ultimate hype to get you going. Especially if you were getting ready to watch a race at Daytona or Talladega 😎
A shame they didn't bring back the original soundtrack...
I think FOX Needs to Have a full reset/Rebuild. Here’s how We accomplish that in My Opinion.
Cup Broadcasts
Allen Bestwick (lap-by-lap)
Kevin Harvick (Driver Analyst)
Todd Gordon (Crew Chief/Rules Anyalst)
Keep the Pit Reporters the Same
Xfinity Broadcasts
Adam Alexander
Cup Guest analyst
Coleman Pressley
Truck Broadcasts
Alex Hayden (The Lead Guy on MRN): Lap-By-Lap
Phil Parsons
Matt Crafton (If/When he Retires)
I’d Easily Replace most of FOX’s Both with MRN Guys or New Groups and build that Chemistry
Maybe Fox should hire Ralph Shaheen to do Truck races.
Pre-2000 was awesome. Great announcers. Great production. It was classy. And you had CBS, TNN, ESPN, ABC, TBS and NBC all promoting the sport. Now, you have 2 networks, and the other networks don't care.
Mike Joy knows cars.
Also has anybody noticed the fact that they don’t seem to do crank it up anymore? Their audio was always so good and lately the audio is always kind of off.
I think that things got odd when they tried the whole digger as a character for the new cameras. Still a great concept though. The problem is that the staff out of the booth they are the mistake, they have the bad views with the camera, are not able 1/3 the time to show a replay of the wreak even if they ask for it, and then Fox does too many full on ads for the sport and has gotten bad about this in other sports with ads like Football with blank spots not even for local ads but just plain blank spots in the middle of sports becuse they take too many breaks now. Even when doing Replays/Reruns of other TV shows they will do longer breaks and 1/2 the time mess up cutting out the intro if there was one before the theme that they for good reason like most stations cut 90% out. In fact, it is Fox the channel that has become dated, with even FX/FXX looking like the better choice for general TV stuff that is not sports.
Ok. Make NASCAR On FOX Great Again.
With The 2007/2010 Scrolling Ticker, Graphics, And Bring Back The Openings.
But... Keep Adam Alexander In The Booth, For The Truck Series.
FULL TIME, And Keep Jamie Little, And Vince Welch, Only On Pit Road As Well, Rather Than Having Them, In The Booth, For The NASCAR Truck Series.
That intro was awesome.😇
Old School ESPN: Jenkins, Parsons, & Jarrett with Dr Punch in the pits are the reference for all NASCAR TV Announcing. In the 90s they were the standard. 1990s ABC, NBC, TNN, CBS, all had different combos of talent but ESPNs crew was the best.
My god, I was 13 and I was just becoming aware of some of this. Rush, Van Halen, the Cars, the Police......all those legendary albums. Now we dont get albums and rock bands are a fringe act
What I miss is that whoever was directing NASCAR on FOX back then, I believe it was Mike Goldberg made sure every little detail was covered and there were no questions of who is going to be in the booth this week? Why didn't they show this? Everything worked. I just feel like that cutting edge stuff is not there anymore. They need one driver, one crew chief and a commentator. Back then extra special care was given to the broadcasts. That is what is missing. You shouldn't have to wonder.
Mike Goldberg failed to be actually be a main commentator for NFL on Fox games which is why he's not recognized because he failed so badly.
@evansilliams6406 . . . It's nice that you recognize the talents in the control booth, that directs the broadcasts, as the ingredient of what makes the broadcast works well.
Many times the guys with the mics . . . aka "presenters" either gets too much credit or too much blame on the results of the broadcasts.
Bringing Goldberg over from ESPN really gave Fox a great start.
@@bloqk16 The older I get the more I notice, everything has to work together from the top to the bottom. If one thing is bad or off, then it hurts everything. I also learned from the pandemic that everything has moving parts and it all operates like a machine. That is why care needs to be taken with everything you do.
While I do agree that the early years of NASCAR on Fox was definitely the best (2001-07 for me), I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about the pre Fox and NBC coverage "getting stale". Bob Jenkins, Benny Parsons, and Ned Jarrett at ESPN, Eli Gold, Buddy Baker and Dick Berggren at TNN, were still excellent commentators when the change happened. Yeah the graphics might not have up to date, but it was still very good to watch till the end. Fox had the right package, at the right time, in the right places, and it clicked for a few years. Unfortunately you're never going to have the longevity that ESPN, TNN, and CBS had where it was excellent coverage start to finish, probably ever again, at least thats my thoughts anyway.
My two favorite goofy DW Moments: #2 "He went like he was shot out of a rocket!" (What?) #1: Bobby Labonte was in the 43 and running a Spiderman paint scheme. I think they were at Talladega. He missed pit road or something and DW said "Spiderman is going to have to keep spidering on around." And I don't know why, but it made us laugh and laugh and laugh.
I remember watching nascar on fox in the 2000s when I was a kid when mike joy Larry mc Darrel waltrip was in the booth and Darrel saying boogity boogity let’s go racing on nascar on fox back in the 2000s was great
They didn't let him Boogity in North Wilkesboro...
@@S.K.R.E.Inc. That was a real shame.
I've been watching Nascar for 50yrs, from the first broadcasts on ABC's Wide World of Sports. I don't miss "boogity boogity". The green flag needs no extra hype.
I’m sorry, but there was nothing wrong with pre-2001 ESPN/ABC coverage. Fox went into the crapper after Steve Byrnes passed. They’ve tried to bring younger people in who have no chemistry together. Larry’s the only one that’s good anymore.
FOX also needs to add back in the sound of the cars to their broadcast. At most points during the race, you're hard-pressed to hear the cars. NBC does this much better. Hard to build excitement and a sense of speed and power when you cannot hear the cars. When I actually made it to the track last summer I had nearly forgotten that the cars are actually loud!
I can hear the cars just fine on Fox broadcast though. Turn the volume up higher.
They're mixed much lower than the booth, you can tell the difference when you listen to an old broadcast or to NBC
DW was the main character before he got too old and NASCAR changed Joy, Hammond and Mcreynolds were good supporters, and chris was the king of pre and post. In all that it was a gold recipe... just by changing 1 element its all goes to crap
Personally.....
In 2023, the one thing on Fox that bothers me the most during their coverage?
I wish Mike Joy at least pretended to listen to whoever is in the booth with him.
They will make a point, discuss it..
And then 2 minutes later, Joy will repeat the thought as if it's a new observation.
(It truly happens multiple times every race)
The main problem of Fox is NASCAR itself. Look at all those empty seats at almost every track. Is it worth to invest in a good broadcast if just so few people watch it?
Im always goin to favor Fox over Nothing But Commercials. Plus im growin a hatred of Dale Jr constantly screaming. Its so annoying
Nascar broadcasting on the 2000's taught me so much about NASCAR. Some thing I think fox does not try to do these days. NBC does better. Not great but better
It really fell off a cliff when we lost Steve Byrnes. I think he had a lot more to do with the production than just being a pit reporter.
When DW retired it went way downhill. Michael waltrip is good but is at times TOO goofy
It's definitely hard to pick a favorite from those golden days. Actually next to impossible. But if I had to pick one it would have to be the calling at the end of the 2007 daytona 500... BIG CRASH HERE THEY COME CHECKERED FFLLLAAAGGG..... HARVICK!!!!!!! HARVICK BY INCHES!
The "Harvick by inches" call was actually the 2001 Cracker Barrel 500 at Atlanta.
NASCAR on fox is definitely not what is used to be but I still prefer it over NASCAR on nbc
The most memorable moment for was “Brad Keselowski won this race” I was 10 years old just got into nascar the year previous & it looked like a movie but it was real
i think if NBC would drop Burton they would be great. 4 is just too.many and hes just super annoying.
for fox Clint would be good if he would just take a breath and let us here the cars for a second instead of his voice. Clint has the energy he just doesnt shut up.
The broadcast is old and tired, same shit every week. DW stuck around too long all to stoke hi ego, he didn't understand the cars so he made some stupid joke to cover it up. Larry is very smart but it is time to move onto another crew chief who has worked in the garage area in the past five years. Mike Joy has become the ringmaster who couldn't and cannot reign in his booth mates. Clint Bowyer talks over everyone and rarely makes any sense at all. The rotating people in the booth like Danica Patrick shows a lack on=f consistency.
Mike Joy is a legend but as time goes on that will tarnish with how bad this broadcast has become.
Cravens win at Darlington or the 05 Coke 600. But all these points hit home with me and made me the racing fan I am today.
Mike joy and larry mcreynolds are nascar treasures, it is unfortunate fox’s behind the scene broadcasting is so terrible
You nailed it when talking about D. W. When he was in the car he was my favorite driver and his excitement for the sport really shined when he went to the booth and Larry Mac being the crew chief just after he stepped off the box was a huge grab as well but when He left the booth is when things started going downhill I think they will get some of that back with Harvick going to the booth next year but they need to dump Boyer and bring in another crew chief preferably someone who has just stepped off the box and has worked with this next gen car if they manage to do that then they just might get that magic back
It's thanks to DW that I say Boogity Boogity Boogity not just before every NASCAR race but any auto race.