Channel Awesome | Fallen Titans #3
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Many moons ago, when I first envisioned this series, two words stuck out in my mind: "Channel. Awesome." I've spent well over a year planning the Fallen Titans series, and the entire time I've kept it in my mind that a cornerstone of this was going to be discussing Thatguywiththeglasses and what happened to it. As recently as five days ago, I planned for the Channel Awesome Fallen Titans to serve as the finale. But, given the recent revelations about the conditions behind the scenes, I chose to move it up in the schedule. E n j o y ?
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The section about Doug's understanding of Fair Use gave me 'nam flashbacks
Lindsay Ellis Hey Lindsay. I’ve saw a few of your vids. (Brats was my favorite) I’ve known channel awesome since 2008. Shocking to see The way Doug acted. Glad to see you are doing well. It was very brave of you to come out about channel awesome.
Whoa. As a fifteen year old who basically had a shrine to the Nostalgia Critic (i'm kidding), seeing this is genuinely heartbreaking and to see the the level of ego and narcissism from Doug, Rob, and especially mike who up until this point I dint even know who he was its saddening to see that this went on behind the scenes. Sorry that you received that type of abuse from Doug, abuse that is basically indefensible is one again heartbreaking. I'm sounding like a broken record, and as a former fan as of today I dont know what to say. Keep up the good work by the way. : )
I caught that livestream with contrapoints where you mentioned that you'd never work with him again. I kind of thought that doug might be a bit amateur, given I'd watched some of those anniversary movies when I was a teenager. But holy shit when I read through that google document I cringed so hard it was unbelievable.
It’s the goddess!!!
Hey I know you.
So what you're saying is, the Nostalgia Critic, a channel based on re-examining things you loved when you were younger and finding out that they were actually terrible....turned out to be a thing you loved when you were younger but, on later re-examination, was actually terrible?
*Ironic*
Even before this whole debacle, I tried to go back to old reviews and my god, I wanted to rip my eyes out. How did we ever tolerate that amount of cringe?
It's a shame, I feel like Malcolm and Tamara are quite good at their job, but anything that comes out of Doug's mouth is just painful. I don't know how he manages to cram all that pretentiousness into every single word he speaks.
Margaret Elliott nah it’s ironic
@@zakatalmosen5984 I actually still like some of the oldies, such as the Nickelodeon month episodes and Sonic the hedgehog. Actually I shall watch them again and see if they still hold up again! It's been a few years who knows.
Honestly, I used to enjoy watching the Nostalgia Critic videos, especially The Room video. Around at some point around 2016, the show began to feel not as good, but there were still some upsides. However, ever since the Deadpool 2 “review”, I stopped watching the Nostalgia Critic. Doug seemed to no longer care about what he used to be. To be fair, though, looking back at most of his videos, including the Sailor Moon and Ernest Saves Christmas reviews, Doug’s content hasn’t seemed to age that well.
@Zalkat Almosen You have to remember that UA-cam was a very barren place in terms of consistent content with a budget in the early years. AVGN was the definitely the more talented of the two “angry reviewers” but movies are more accessible to the average viewer than video games. And pushing the nostalgia angle was a big draw. I think there is a slight charm to it to see how far we’ve come but the allegations have pretty much put me off watching anything made by Doug ever again.
I applied to Channel Awesome way back in the day and got rejected lmao
Oh my god it's like seeing a rare frog in the forest hi maam
Can't decide if they were the idiot for turning you down or if _you_ were the idiot, however temporarily, for seeking them out. Either way, if you had been a part, that would've made _four_ former CA personalities that came out as trans after leaving.
@@trevor7520 your icon is immaculate
you were too good for them queen
@@Jack-gu3rm thanks! i have terrible taste in men
Moral of the story: AVGN won the final battle
*Ending theme from End Game plays.*
Moral: Don't watch Doug, watch real life screaming little girls and everyone will be happy
Channel awesome is a poopyhead
Pretty much
Did he though? He really sold out to those big fellas...
"we're sorry you felt that way" is literally the worst apology. keep in mind there are serious allegations in here and that's the best they could manage.
Jinzo Okami How is the video so far?
The worst part is that they didn't say sorry. They never said it once the entire 4 paragraph note.
Apologizing requires an admittance of guilt, which they refuse to admit. "Sorry you felt that way" really means "sorry you felt that way, but that's on you because your allegations aren't legitimate". Lol
I didn't think it was possible to make a worse apology than Logan Paul's first statement. They indirectly blame the readers, which is just disgusting.
The goal of my content is always to entertain
If you dont show up to the skype call in 15 minutes youre legally allowed to be fired.
Sammington if u dont get a review done in 15 minutes your not a critic
LMAO
Dammit, I was 15 minutes late to making this joke
literally
its a meme if you didnt know
A FOUR hour film made in less than SEVEN days?! Christ. Filming/editing that pile must of been a nightmare.
And according to the document, Doug and Rob were constantly at each other's throats. Content creators would just sit around waiting for their scenes with no real scheduled planning. It was super hot in Doug's basement, and this was all time they weren't getting paid for.
I really would have hated to be involved in it in any way.
FOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR HOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSS!?!?!?!!??
my highschool class made shitty movies that ran for about two hours, it took almost the whole year to get them done. thinking about the comparison of a year for two hours, to a week for four hours actually hurts my head.
This actually reminds me of a "college" film I made. It involved a kid who starts encountering Monty Python references everywhere, and at the end of it, he committed suicide to no longer hear it. It was horrible, but I had fun with the production because it was ridiculous.
@@ZudeXbox360 that needs to be an actual monty python movie
This would make a great Netflix movie when it's all over, call it "I remembered it, so you don't have to."
Nic Winstead Art I’d watch that, so you wouldn’t have to! 😉
I agree that this would make a great documentary.
@@BostonMBrand both works.
@@BostonMBrand Cinematic Venom anyone?
Well, there was that parodic film about the production of The Room a few years back. It’s not totally out of the question to get something similar about TGWTG.
But the chart says
The sad thing about this is that I still laugh at that joke, despite the painful, painful irony of it.
ah yes..
Those reviews when that joke first popped up were the last of the golden age of the critic, very sad to think about indeed
You are a genius.
From one of the last great critic reviews. Nicely done.
*Turns off the chart screen*
Remember when the worst thing the Nostalgia Critic ever did was a bad Bart's Nightmare playthrough?
And he did an apology for that that felt a little bit sincere
TheCrimsonSharpshot well Doug didn't really do anything. He just ignored the shit that was going on in his house so to speak
..right in the fucking childhood all of this ..the righfully deserved outragye the long steming realisatio9n that nostalgia critic is not fucking funny it actually hurts like i mkiss being a teenager finding his that guy with the glases persona edgy ..life moves to fucking fast
Mo He had more influence than he ever let on. He never treated other's characters with respect in any of the anniversary movies, making them act the way he wanted as opposed to what was in character for them. He also steered towards company positions that helped himself at the expense of other producers without talking to them about it. He actively enabled Michaud's bullying of Obscurus Lupa. He's not innocent.
TheCrimsonSharpshot I remember “MELVIN MELVIN COUSIN OF THE JOKER” ugh
I still can't believe Doug Walker was like, "I'm retiring my character, so an entire era is ending and everybody else is retiring, too." Jesus.
lmaaoo imagine hiring several actors to be in a movie and then in the last day of filming reveal that the movie will end the actors careers
HERE LIES DOUG WALKER
1981-2018
WE REMEMBER HIM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
Claps nostalgically
oh hai fawful
THE NEW FAWFUL ADVENTURES™ I love your content
fuck him?
I love you.
Lupa wasn't "late" to the Skype call.
She didn't even know there was a call supposed to happen.
Nostalgia Critic seriously would pull the "I gave you exposure!!!" card on movies that are much, much, MUCH bigger than his brand would ever be? Are you kidding me?
im a year late, but pretty sure that part was actually a partial parody reference of that 'LEAVE BRITTANY ALLONE!!!" viral video made by a crazy Brittany spears fan over a decade ago. Even puts on a wig that looks like the psychotic fan in question.
@Dee Ayy Why Night Productions Nah. Aintitcoolnews was already covering it years before NT was ever a thing.
I remember liking his movie reviews as a kid. Might be the fact that he plays the more important scenes and always, ALWAYS spoils the ending. Meaning if you didn't wanna pay to see the movie it was a cheap alternative
@@homelessjesse9453 didn't they also put on adult swim before it was being talked about?
@@MentalLiberation Maybe. I just remember Aintitcoolnews listed The Room as one of the worst movies of the 2000s back during 2009. Yeah. Before Doug. Before James Rolfe and RLM, Harry Knowles was probably the first mainstreamish internet celebrity.
I went from "Oof Nostalgia Critics review of The Wall was just a poorly done parody" to "Nostalgia Critic is t r a s h" in only 2 days.
I was at the trash point before the Change the Channel and Wall shit...
Imagine how much further I’ve fallen
I don't get what happened two days after the review of The Wall.
Honestly I jumped ship after they decided to start reviewing movies, by not using ANY footage, just pretending to be them ( so after 2015 I believe), still subbed to them just as a time capsule thing, nowadays, I usually just stick to Linkara, Phelous, and Todd, with a mild zest of Snob
My big drop off was the Phantom of the Opera review.
It was so bad that it was like it shattered the faerie glamour he must have put on me.
And then Change the Channel happened.
And then the Wall happened.
And now the best I can do is occasionally dredge up a couple of positive memories of his work.
@@GreaterSeraph The only thing good about the Phantom review was that Beth Elderkin is funny and an amazing singer.
>Removing spoony after rape joke on twitter
>Forcing rape joke in anniversary film
Oooh booy.
Ghost Nappa: Vegeta what does the Scouter say about their hypocrisy level?
Vegeta: IT'S OVER 9000!
>while protecting the identity of sexual predator
Its a forced joke about forced sex!
They didn’t fire him for the rape joke, they fired him for the fit he threw after somebody called him out for it. And strictly speaking, they didn’t fire him; he quit.
He was also kicked for incidents we dont know about
Two facts you need to know if you ever do a follow up: Doug Walker was banned from YT after AVGN fanboys thought his war against James was real and flagged him for harassment, and Blip didn't exist when TGWTG began, they hosted videos on Revver, who shut down owing them over $50,000. They also hosted videos on another video site before Blip.
Larry Bundy Jr Damn Larry you're everywhere
Larry is here to save us! Thanks for the fact check. 👌🏻
Good Guy Bundy, on the case.
Larry is one of the best guys on the internet, never heard a bad thing about him. Bless him.
Larry I'm sorry you ever had to work with these people.
“Lindsay Ellis reviewed girly media from Doug Walker’s childhood.” 😂 I love how you said this. So glad Lindsay has long ago now broken free of Doug and Rob and Michaud and now outshines them with her by far superior content.
IKR Things are not made for genders, what is this, the 50's?
@@ClaudetteVioletta It kind of made sense though. Doug reviewed boy’s shows from the 80s like Transformers and she’d review My Little Pony and similar stuff instead.
One of her best pieces from them was on Daria, where she mostly talked about Feminism and how it’s reflected in the show. She was trying to shine even back then, but was restricted to Doug’s nostalgia
well you have to start somewhere honestly
So glad that creators like Lindsay Ellis and Todd in the shadows are still well known content creators who do their own thing and continue to create media that is unique to their brand but also is removed from the niche that Doug created for them. I love both creators and their content and hope they continue creating reviews for years to come!!!
Why?!
Lindsay Ellis is the shit
This perfectly sums up my thoughts
i enjoy todd in the shadows very much
@@commentingisawasteoftime7195 Nah way to lefists and SJW for my taste
18:14- IF THE CREATOR ISN'T HERE IN 15 MINUTES WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO FIRE
Liaminator good one
if you're 15 minutes late to the Skype call, we're legally allowed to fire you
ironic since michaud seems to have the maturity of a high school student
lol
"Hey if the teacher isn't in class by 15 minutes we're legally allowed to leave"
"Late to a Skype call? YOU'RE FIRED! If you're engaging in sexual misconduct, you get to stick around! It's fine...!"
That joke rape scene from To Boldly Flee made me lose a great deal of respect for Doug. Not only it's in incredibly poor taste, the fact that he coerced Linkara into taking part of it, someone who's super critical of the way rape is portrayed in media, is really fucking scummy.
And she is a rape victim 😔
Didnt linkara's comic lightbringer have a bunch of r word in it?
@@potlach001 Knowing how much LInkara isn't fond of Lightbringer, it would only add even more reasons of why he isn't fond of the topic: maybe he used it wrong in the past and had found it so distasteful even since then.
@@lsebastian9086 Considering his current stance on it and how he hates when Lightbringer is brought up; I think it's safe to say that it's an old shame and he knows it.
@@lsebastian9086 yeah um it’s completely understandable to look about at something you made in the past and being embarrassed by it
Damn, everytime I go back to this video I'm like, "the amazing atheist and Lindsey worked in the same space once? Damn.
If I worked with the Amazing Atheist I would probably kill myself
Maybe that was before the ant colony grew inside the Atheist's head...
Has Lindsay ever talked about thay experience?
@@habuhomeboy just that name is bad enough
@@truesoulghost2777 i don't know anything about him but with that name i cannot think anything good
@Cian McCabe well i guess my assumptions about him was right
I like that Lindsay Ellis left because her content is much more expansive now. Being limited to just female nostalgia was a waste of great insight and analytical capabilities.
I'm not even the biggest fan of her in general but I can still recognize her videos are far superior in general. I liked her Pirates of the Carribean essay.
Yeah, her essay on Satire (Mel Brooks) was really eye-opening about cinema/general history.
Lindsey Ellis is probably top 3 movies reviewers on the site now (Obviously RLM is number 1 always)
I'd agree apart from the fact she's chosen to accept Amber Heard's accusations as gospel. I know listen and believe is a thing but I won't take anyone accusing their ex without proof this is not bias I thought Zoe Quinn's ex was bang out if order too.
@@rogierb5945 I'm not in the loop please fill me in, were the accusations true or no
big ups to Lindsey for walking when she did...her content now is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else who ever contributed to TGWTG. I've always liked her stuff, but her analysis is hilarious and insightful af
It's crazy watching her content now and comparing it to her content back then. Boy was she slumming it to fit in.
Todd in the shadows is also doing well.
1234567890q yep
Foldable human and rantasmo are still quality too
@@user-sd5dz2dc6u Phelous is also doing well. (Or at least if he's not doing well, he does a phenomenal job at hiding it.) He and Linkara have been possibly the most humble people to come out of the misery factory that was Channel Awesome.
That review of Pink Floyd’s The Wall movie from NC sealed the deal for me that I will never watch him again. But this adds an extra layer of shit on the cake.
OGRES are not like cakes!!!!
I hate myself for even casually watching Doug’s videos after the drama
That one hurt
There was a strange amount of irony in that review, with Doug Walker complaining about the movie being too pretentious and egotistical...When in real life, Doug has gone through a similar downward spiral that is experienced through the movie. In terms of attitude, I always thought Doug to be the Roger Waters of the online movie critic world...so it was kinda surreal to see him in costume for the 'In the Flesh' scene...and not in a good way. 🤣
Victoria 46
Its even more ironic when you consider the movie is about a burned out has been that chases off everyone close to him, drives his entire career into the ground, and still has to carry on as a shadow of his former self.
“And the cinema snob reviewed porn”😂
Meh, he's not entirely wrong
@@themexicankitchen He's not wrong at all. Yes he reviewed other stuff too, but mostly porn parodies.
I legit went back to that a few times to make sure I heard it right
Ironically he also covered a conservative leaning romance movie, the same year 50 shades of grey came out
He also covered some christian movies.
Doug Walker sounds like he’s parodying himself when talking about fair use
This whole situation is heartbreaking to me, i learned english by watching dougs reviews subtitled in spanish...
Gracias a los subtitulos de MrDonZea de NC y AVGN yo aprendí igual
Same. Learned english from his reviews with russian subtitles.
Damn bro
I also learned English watching his reviews 😞.
Oh damn, same! But in Russian
"I'm sorry you felt that way" is a pseudo apology, usually used by narcissists.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
@@leonardpriestley6822 IM
This. 👆
I'm incredibly disappointed I learned that from Rick and Morty. The "Froopy land" one I think, where Rick and Beth's horrible toxic personalities clash and they throw that at each other. I would've never seen the manipulative shit behind that saying if not for seeing it there.
@@pyraffin Yup, I have never seen that show. But yeah, it sounds »nice« to an unsuspecting audience. But the narcissist basically says: »It's all in your head. Now, stop complaining and do as I say (again). I said the word sorry. That should be enough for you, slave.«
Just watched Lindsay's video Mask Off. everything about the assault scene has somehow managed to get more horrible.
I know, Horrible.
Oops. Plothole!
Flloop Oof
Flloop Isn't the quote "Oh, well, plothole"
When you realize... Demo Reel was SO bad that this guy blocked it out of his brain while writing a TGWTG retrospective.
Or “Shut Up and Talk”, where Doug would interview the other content creators out of their characters.
In retrospect, it seems like the other content creators had to participate, or else.
If you're interested in a deep dive on Demo Reel, the video essayist Lady Emily has a fantastic one.
@@Tesseract_King Shout out to Lady Emily. That video was amazing and her AVGN was as well
Mike is basically the stereotypical capitalist. He’s like a GTA side character without punchlines.
He’s one of the people a character would tell you to perform a hit on and he wouldn’t get a dedicated cutscene or background. You just walk to him, cap him, and mission completed.
@Gzus Kreist What
@Gzus Kreist He literally owns the capital from which production is made, the rights to Nostalgia Critic as a brand, character, and show, then sits around all day reaping the profits off of that production while barely doing anything himself. That is capitalism.
It's amazing how much denial goes into right-wing thought
@Gzus Kreist first off damn I didn’t know I got this many likes and never got notifications lol, but secondly I haven’t been to university and I in fact used to say cringe stuff like you did but as it turns out...the state wants people to be pro capitalism (for their supported companies) but never anti capitalist. But you won’t see that because you’re stuck in an echochamber of anti maskers and anti communists who think liberals are wanting to destroy capitalism like...god I wish your delusion was true about us owning universities and states because capitalism is trash.
Also...UNIVERSITIES ARE MOSTLY PRIVATE, NOT STATE RUN, imbecile.
I used to love Nostalgia Critic, but then I found out about all the harassment stuff and it made me really uncomfortable. I was really excited when I found out Lindsay Ellis has her own channel now, i always enjoyed her reviews and she seems way more comfortable now
Who?!
@@alisathestrongone2087 Why?
@@GamingCrazing What?
@@diamondlords5014 Where?
When?
I've been watching the Nostalgia Critic for years and to know that this wholesome man, Doug Walker, is part of this grand scheme of betrayal, inner conflict, and scamming makes me die inside. 14 year old me laughing at NC videos has been crushed to death. If only things were different.
Tbh....ever since I heard about Bill Cosby's crimes, nothing surprises me >:/
@@mrm64 I totally relate to this, unfortunately.
Since the advent of Me Too, the real question is who won't fall from grace.
I know exactly how you feel. I found his videos to be hilarious, but I had to unsubscribe and stop watching his videos because of this controversy. I just can't support this kind of incompetence and mismanagement.
I have to remind myself to separate a creator from their creation. Maybe I love a song, but the singer has done bad thing or just expressed views and committed actions that I disagree with, in that scenario I must mentally separate the two. It's okay to still love the song and enjoy what the lyrics meant to me.
The biggest and hardest part is to learn to stop "checking up" on the creator; they are not what I love. They are not their work or the thing that meant so much to me. My feeling on the creator on the person can be different than my feeling about their work. If a creator does something I do not agree with, I do not buy anything new from them. I don't wish to support that person.
Yet I also make a point of not forcing myself to give up their creation. I regard it and its meaning to me in the same state in my mind as when I first enjoyed it. Not even the creator has the right to take away something I love and all the experiences it has given me.
That “almost” is pretty important now.
Quinton Reviews no, get out, before I tell Quinton
i'm an idea
Hey Quinton, I was just wondering: are you planning to talk about Onision as part of your Fallen Titans series? I remember years ago, I actually tried to follow all that wretched drama that unfolded on his channel, and I still don't completely understand what happened. It'd be great to have a fresh perspective on what happened to one of the most bizarre UA-cam stars I've ever seen...it'd give me some closure on that strange chapter in my life.
Can anyone say where this elusive "almost" is?
Emberilliance I agree, I don’t know what happened to him. He seems disturbed.
Well, having watched the Nostalgia Critic and Nostalgia Chick in my tweens, it was really satisfying to hear you say "I remember it so you don't have to".
Full circle.
The image of Phelous showing off the Nostalgia Critic's skull makes me laugh every time I see it.
Beckett
It makes me simultaneously laugh out loud and die a little on the inside. I hate how fucked up things got. Makes me think of all the friendships that didn’t last...
Doug’s stuff used to be what helped me laugh on the worst days. He was like a confidant, even though he never actually heard me. Learning the truth about him hurt in ways words can’t seem to describe. I had a rough 2018...
"If the creator's not here in 15 minutes we're legally allowed to fire them."
They were never employed in the first place, they were not even contractors... Yeah, that's nasty. And the leadership was massive dicks with egos.
Though, in that particular case, the call was about telling her she was fired, they wanted to tell her before they announced it.
TheSpacecraftX lol That's some college 'our professor is late' type shit.
Yep that's the meme I was trying to use.
Back in 2010 I used to love everything that Doug Walker churned out, even those horrible anniversary movies. I also hoped to one day be part of the channel awesome crew and hang out with everyone of them, and finally meet my hero Doug. It feels bizarre to now see all of this come out in the open, and somehow I'm not even that surprised. But I still feel... weird. To see all the horrible things that went on behind the scenes of an entertainment website that I used to love so dearly. I wonder if Doug is going to make a video on this.
Bronwyn Johnston like when ya find our Santa isn't real. Sorry to hear Doug is not even running CA! I feel betrayed.
I don't think he ever will. Doug's built up a popular brand that regularly gets high view counts over years of work that shaped the very reviewer landscape over the internet and if he speaks out then the guys in charge will just take that brand from him. Sure, he could go into another format for reviews and start over, but that didn't turn out so well with Demo Reel....
It's not something people like to hear, but very few people can just let that much success go and take that huge of a risk for other people when they, themself, are in a good place with their own work. If I was in that position, I wouldn't speak up, either, and I think the same would go for most people out there as well. It's legitimately hard to work for that long to get to a good place only to give it up to please other people.
I too have watched him for a couple of years, and his reviews have cheered me up whenever I have felt down. Now I'm not so sure what to feel.. I just hope to support those who were affected by CA's gross management.
He and Rob WILL respond publicly. But they can't until they've hired a Lawyer and brought forth the Grievances.
I just have to say that I know how you feel with the not being surprised. Like, you dont expect this, you expect maybe a falling out, but when hearing that it is so much worse, its like... yeah, that makes sense.
Given the content of Lindsay's latest video, the Linkara rape scene is even more heinous and intolerable. I cannot fucking BELIEVE that no one called Doug on his shit.
Don't give up on your dream of being friends with Linkara, Todd and Lindsay mate
For real! They've got their own channels and content now, you can totally reach out and do something with 'em if you'd like. Just because Doug's a total sleaze doesn't necessarily mean that they are.
In the words of Shia LaBoeuf: JUST DO IT!
I've always been a fan of Linkara, I'm glad that they weren't dragged down with Channel Awesome.
No kidding. I’m sure they’d get along great with them!
This comment rings especially true when you realize Lindsay commented on this video.
That edit from Doug screaming to suddenly saying "where's the fair use" is one of the funniest things I've seen on this channel
JoeDelToro yeah that was extremely underrated
So full disclaimer, the video quality in this one looks terrible. I really rushed the set-up for the camera on this one, and in the end to get the shot I wanted I just zoomed in the video a lot. Either way, in the next few months I could see buying a new camera if it proves to be financially possible. Thanks for watching!
Quinton Reviews you should Look up nostalgia chicks rape rap and The comic linkara made
Ehh it doesn't look that bad my dude
Quinton Reviews Why do you own so many toys of Bumblebee? Just curious.
Don't need to justify anything. Great video!
Quinton Reviews even though the movies made by All of the different reviewers were awful...but I thought they were funny when I was younger
…I was curious what the whole controversy over Channel Awesome was about.
I immediately regret my curiosity.
This is beyond a disaster.
Do you even want to hear about Projared?
@@sozaj I have a bad feeling I'll listening to a lengthy video about whatever's going on with him too. And I'll probably regret that decision just as much.
Curiosity killed the cat and all, right?
@@randomcenturion7264 You may not want to bother. It's worse than this.
I know what you mean. I've been following NC casually for a few years now and not once did I see these videos on my suggestions until now. The only controversy I heard at the time was about AngryJoe trying to get NC taken down. This is a shame because I've been binge-watching his stuff again and I currently have two tabs open to his It videos. NC will be up there with Jesse Cox on my list of people/channels never to watch again.
What
One thing I'll say about the crossover movies is that they really, REALLY stink of Doug Walker. The writing, the directing, the editing, sense of humor, timing... everything is exactly what Doug Walker does. And that is why they don't really work as well as they could. They lack the creative freedom for other people and are basically glorified Nostalgia Critic skits. With that and all the other stuff, it seems like he is truly just someone who can only see his point of view and refuses to change anything because it's not what he wants. The movie where he becomes a dictator is probably the closest to reality out of their movies.
I remember hearing someone say that when you're the director of a movie, and I would argue in any creative pursuit that involves the contribution of multiple people, you're lucky if you get 80% of your original vision onscreen. I think someone needs to tell Doug that because he genuinely seems to think only the director matters.
Come to think of it, that also would explain him calling out the directors by name and blaming them specifically if a movie is bad... does he think this is just how the industry works?
The scripts were basically "this is what Doug and Rob think your character is, here are the one or two traits that you're allowed to have" with an added "Critic is the smartest and funniest person and always gets the last word in"
These films ,especially the fourth one , feel like an allegory for Channel Awesome.
Well, i guess, my sense of humor is stinks cause i find them funny when watch them for the first time. It's just some filling of growns up childness that makes me like them.
At least the first one. I never watch To Boldly Flee. I lost my interes after copyright controversy when CA strike some translation channels.
The people responding to the meat of this story with "politics, lol!" or "drama, lol!" when it's a legitimate story of horrific workplace abuse and straight-up abuse-abuse, man, I hope they're just trolling. I really hope that they're not that legitimately sociopathic and actually care about the human suffering behind their light entertainment and I REALLY hope that they don't think that this is an okay way to treat employees/co-workers/sentient beings. Holy shit.
I'm glad critics like Todd and Lindsay were able to walk away from #ChangeTheChannel unscathed ('nam flashbacks notwithstanding). The whole thing sounds like a nightmare.
Lewis Lovhaug (Linkara) is the one that I think managed to walk out of there looking the best and brightest. The guy stuck around in a legitimate attempt to salvage channel awesome as best he could and judging by his inputs to both the google doc as well as his anecdotes about the issue on Twitter (which Lindsay all but confirmed were true), he basically became Channel Awesome's one-man HR department and councilor. He did his best to keep people in the loop when things were being planned, helped keep people's tempers from blowing up too much, and extended invitations when and where he could so everyone stayed involved. The fact that his channel announced an audio drama that is basically what the anniversary movies were but with pretty much everyone involved being excited for it tells me he should have been the one calling the shots for Channel Awesome because he actually freaking cares about the people he works with.
Spencer McClure can you explain this audio drama? I’m not familiar w/ linkara’s stuff beyond the change the channel stuff and him being linked with spoony
@@CouchSpud91 I've always been a fan of Linkara, I'm glad that he's still doing good.
Just never forget if you guys rewatch this too
Most of these people if not all of them are still making content, and most of them are still good. Definitely support them!
When channel awesome said: “we’re really sorry that you felt that way” it reminds of this one episode of “the good place” where Brent writes a terrible novel and after reading it, Simone and Tahani demand an apology for how offensive it is, and this is Brent’s apology:
“I’m sorry if my book, which was totally okay made you feel like it wasn’t totally okay”
I find these Fallen Titans videos so fascinating because they really are short, modern history lessons. People forget quickly, especially on the internet and since I doubt the History Channel will ever bring up internet phenomena like this, I think there is a very big value in cataloging the happenings on the internet for the future like this. Because memories and knowledge fades, which is why historical science even exists. So Fallen Titans, and things like Down the Rabbit Hole are really sort of preparing for the future. Who knows, maybe in 50 years, internet history will be just as mainstream and accepted as classic history and so these kinds of videos are very important.
adamgrogory EmpLemon and his "UA-cam Geographic" series are also pretty good.
Emp's a pretty smart guy, even his shitposting has rhyme and reason (which you can argue is sort of the antithesis of shitposting).
The internet is part of entertainment, there will probably be catalogs for this the same way there is catalogs for the music, film, and even comic book industry.
I swear down, Angry Joe to this day still wears that same leather jacket. He will die wearing that thing. XD
he'll die because he'll get too fat for it and it'll cut off his circulation
You swear down?!?...speak English douchebag
Swear down is mostly used with British teenagers as slang so technically he is speaking English. Unless it was literally typed in another language.
LeBlanc weak
He's also a total psychopath.
The fact that Nebula and Curiosity Stream seem to have actualized a not-shitty version of "free range UA-cam" kinda proves that the problem was never the concept. It was always Doug.
"We sincerely regret you felt that way," is like punching someone in the stomach and saying, "It's not my fault you have stomach pain."
"You ran straight into my fist! It's not my fault!"
When channel awesome said: “we’re really sorry that you felt that way” it reminds of this one episode of “the good place” where Brent writes a terrible novel and after reading it, Simone and Tahani demand an apology for how offensive it is, and this is Brent’s apology:
“I’m sorry if my book, which was totally okay made you feel like it wasn’t totally okay”
"and the Cinema Snob reviewed porn" (Career highlight for Brad).
Somebody had too review weird obscure pornos and B-Z movies.
I did find out a few zombie movies thanks to him otherwise I'd probably miss them.
kamenridernephilim I was introduced to Lucio Fulcci from him
I was introduced to David AR White through Brad.
I was introduced to Godfrey Ho through Brad. This guy is so much more than a porn reviewer...Altrough he is that, too! :)
is anybody else kind of numb to information like this now? Like, channel awesome was a huge part of my life for years, I watched almost all the creators on there. Learning about this should have been heartbreaking, but all I can feel is "Eh, disappointing but not surprising"
Great vid
Sarah seems like every youtube company is hiding some shit. Wouldn't be surprised if rooster teeth was hiding some skeletons.
Outrage fatigue. The internet's left us with so many things to be angry about that we're burnt out beyond the point of caring anymore.
Jarred2200
There are people who have inside information on Rooster Teeth and aren't allowed to discuss it, but they say they treat their workers badly.
Frank I haven't gotten "angry" about, like, the past five+ scandals. It's probably outrage fatigue, like Alex said. I'm hard to rile up in general anyway
It feels like the majority of large creators are hiding or doing scummy things, it feels like nothing new. It just makes me appreciate creators who truly are nice and outstanding people much more.
as a long time viewer of todd in the shadows, i never enjoyed the cut away gags from his reviews because i always felt so isolated as a viewer. plus it felt really forced & never added much to the content. i'm glad he's still thriving nowadays on here & made a brand for himself. i'm only NOW learning about all of this channel awesome stuff. thank you for the detailed video
I always gave the awfulness of the anniversary movies a pass when i was young because I figured it was good friends having good fun. Once you learn no one was having anything remotely close to a good time, it just seems psychotic, like what we're the Walkers trying to do?!
On their website, they posted a responce and it is pretty much them trying to force down their opinion that they are correct
It's one of the worst I've ever seen.
is it bad to show evidence that proves your innocence?
Shingo Sawatari/HGX there wasnt much evidence besides the layers they contacted and there was another one but besides that they just screenshotted the not so awesome document to try and support their answer. But if you have proper evidence that supports what you have said then yes it is fine to do so
Shingo Sawatari/HGX even with their new responce aside, their 'appoligy' kind of put them in a bad position. I really wanted to support Doug since he was one of my big inspirations to create content. But after what has happened, I am just dissapointed in their actions. Thank god I still have YMS, IHE and ralphthemoviemaker to thank for being my inspirations
the fact remains that Doug and Rob have done nothing wrong. nothing good has come from this "change the channel" nonsense. all that's happened is a bunch of disgruntled former employees have gotten a bunch of people angry at the wrong people. instead of listening to a bunch of people who want revenge, it makes more sense to listen to the people who work there NOW, like walter, Malcom, and tamara. all of whom are having the worst week of their lives because of stuff that allegedly happened years ago. people want channel awesome to just bend over and apologize, and won't even give them the chance to defend themselves and tell their side of the story. they're automatically the bad guys. in the end, none of this is anyone's business except the people involved. anyone in the comments acting like they're entitled to an apology, I only have this to say: you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I once had a dream of working with Channel Awesome and hanging out with that group. I will forever be glad I dodged that bullet.
Lynn D.
I’d still love to be friends and hang out with people who used to be on the site... I just don’t want to have anything to do with the site itself.
Me too actually
Once upon a time, I prayed that one day our channel might be considered good enough to be thought of in the same breath as ThatGuyWithTheGlasses and Channel Awesome. I thought maybe, just maybe, I might even be able to have us join.
I could not possibly be happier that it never came to pass. Dodged the bullet of a lifetime.
I'm a fan! Keep doing your best!
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
"We're sorry you felt that way" was enough to get me to just up and leave, unsubscribe, just be done, etc.I see new reviews and videos posted. I quite enjoyed the Nostalgia Critic thing and thought many of the reviews were good, but I just can't do it anymore. Not with so many other options out there.
Burger Eater Lol you're the first person ive seen to defend these idiots
I've always felt."I'm sorry you feel that way,"to be a polite way of saying,"So what?I don't care!"
The 2nd anniversary movie is like one giant prediction of the future: Doug leads all these other contributors on with the promise of their own empire with him at the head, then once it's established he grows too arrogant and incompetent for it to continue, so all of his former underlings revolt and destroy said empire for their own sakes.
Except I'm not sure Doug Walker himself was resposible for the downfall of Channel Awesome. More like he's just another victim, except he's too profitable to be left in peace.
Yeah, I agree. It's not like Doug even has any opportunities anymore to get out. This character that he has made and loves, is now owned by a separate person, and he now can't get out of this terrible place where practically none of his original friends and content creators remain. He is stuck in this shambling place basically in his lonesome. I can't really see why you need to blame him.
I guess you could say everyone _boldly fled_ Channel Awesome while they could
Retro Fusion *Thank you*
I hate it when people say "I guess you could say..." before making a pun. It's more annoying than the pun itself.
big props to todd in the shadows for managing to not only keep afloat since '09 but somehow be a more recognizable and respected name than doug walker
As we all know, "Fair Use" is in fact a magical spell providing arcane protection against any and all lawyers.
I’m now imagining someone in a ritual circle chanting the words “fair use” over and over again to stop themselves from being sued.
The Rap Critic and Todd are both now amazing and on their own, especially Todd.
Wyatt Corbin Todd's style was always the least like Doug's
Todd's cool but Rap Critic should probably retire at this point. If his shtick is going to be reviewing hip-hop, he really needs to be open to the people and ideas that are pushing the genre forward.
I still watch Todd's videos whenever they come out; his One Hit Wonderland series in particular is very well done. Rap Critic was the channel that first got me into hip hop way back in 2014, and I was a huge fan of his videos for a while-- I even got to meet him at a Run The Jewels concert. At this point, though, I can't watch his videos. He's become extremely close-minded and seems to shit on anything that doesn't adhere to his very strict qualifications of what makes for good hip hop.
I'd also note that Kyle Kallgren's content since leaving the site is stellar. I'd definitely list him as one of my favorite UA-camrs.
Matthew Forbes
Most of the people he shits on tend to lack the lyrical ability. You may call that pushing the genre forward, but that's a big part of hip hop. You can still work in the style of many of the mumble rappers while still being very lyrical and many young emcees prove that and I don't see him not being open to their ideas.
Suede Component I'm not even talking about the mumble rappers (much as I hate to use that term); the dude said he hated Daytona by Pusha T and loved Revival by Eminem. The dude's tastes are so nitpicky, especially when it comes to lyrics, that most of his recommendations are worthless.
lindsay ellis has really evolved, her newer uploads are seriously some of the most elaborate pieces of thought (about movies) i have watched recently
I didn't even know that Todd in the Shadows had begun as part of Channel Awesome. It has become independent and become quite successful, I guess.
That's odd seeing as he was actually on there for one of the longest times out of any of the producers, staying on right 'till the end, leaving in 2018.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Haven't watched Todd in years. Comments here seem to say he's doing better than most of them, maybe I'll check him out again.
I met Doug in England and asked if he could sign a piece of paper for me and he asked for 20 quid and I laughed and thought he was joking but he was serious. It was not some convention, he was just visiting the UK.
Is that a lie?
I met Doug in space when I was fighting mega super hitler
I'm pretty sure THAT is a lie
@@thebeardedjohn it's not, I have a source: dude just trust me
Man, you're starting to convince me. That's fucked if that really happened to you.
We sincerely regret you felt that way.
Man, that's almost Rick and Morty levels of bad apology, where in one episode, Rick is like "I'm sorry that you think you deserve an apology"
Zucadragon true
@flibibibi Ahaha, just about as subtle as big oil corporations making commercials stating they value life and community and the planet :D
Zucadragon Tbf, Beth was the one who said that.
MultiMetar - The point was that it was a bad apology, not who said it.
And you're partially right. Actually Rick was the first to say that. When Beth says it to the creepy froopy land guy, she eventually realizes "Oh my god, I'm my father"
If I'm being fair :P, rick says it because Beth wants an apology from him.
I thought CA was a bunch of friends grouped together and having fun... Now it looks like a dull company with a fun name
No, it sucks here in california.
That's pretty much what happened.
It was a company when it benefited them and "just a group of fun loving dudes" when it benefited them. Kinda like kotaku claiming to be journalists and then bloggers when called out for shit journalism; no responsibilty.
It was (or is) even worse like that. It was a place designed to exploit other people's talent.
But maybe it began as a cool place and a friendly idea.
I really hate how Brad Jones underminded the mistreatments and harassments of everyone as pointless drama or people not getting Applebee's on the set of To Boldly Flee. There was quite a bit in the document that was more than just not getting food on the sets of their movies. It was anything but petty anger and the idea that he just laughed off what they went through as 'Internet drama' when some of them had legitimate grievances with the company is nothing short of frustrating.
That’s why I had to unsubscribe
The fact that he’s downplayed these legitimate issues countless times and still associates with Doug made me lose all respect for him. Haven’t watched him in years
"if i laugh in the video it's parody and protected by fair use. so you're telling me, by signing this contract i will become a millionaire with you managing my character?"
-doug walker, most brilliant legal mind of our age
Watching these videos has ruined the old Nostalgia Critic reviews. I can no longer watch him with the same childlike innocence I used to. All I'm going to see is the Douchebagery behind everything
Man I just started watching NC videos again and now I just can't after watching this
I get the feeling, but if you are going to limit yourself to creators who have never done anything terrible, John Lennon, Elvis, David Bowie, Michael Jackson, van Gogh, Hemingway etc. are all off the table. Pretty much anyone before 1975 was probably racist. Pretty much every man before 1960 was sexist. Just try an ignore that part, and enjoy the art.
@@michaelhall5429 Ignoring it excuses it. Also... None of the people you listed are alive to profit from people "ignoring" their misdeeds.
@@MK-dh2mi that's easily fixed. You just pirate his stuff.
michael hall I don’t enjoy it so I won’t do that but thanks, great idea... -_-
0:46 "It's a story that not many will tell you..."
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
I AM THE
S E N A T E
Otroimbeci ilmas NOT. YET.
It's Treason Then.
Otroimbeci ilmas *A U T I S T I C S C R E E C H I N G F L I P*
Sheev tried spinning, and it was a good trick.
A Surprise To Be Sure. But A Welcome One
2:57 that's hilarious. Doug has always struck me as totally the kind of guy who would wear a fedora in his yearbook photo. So that's confirmed. Probably because he was already balding?
“We appreciate constructive criticism that can help us grow.”
I think that ‘You shouldn’t permit sexual assault’ very clearly outlines the improvements that criticism intends to make.
Last horse crossing the finish line here but it should be noted that not only does Mike Michaud own the intellectual property rights to the Nostalgia Critic character, he's also the majority shareholder in the company. So they literally CAN'T get rid of him even if they wanted to. Which just shows how hilariously incompetent the Walker brothers are when it comes to business.
Maybe someone could try to buy the company away from Mike?
@@nathanclark2424 I'm certain if you tried that, he either will just say "No Sale" or give a truly ludicrous offer of $x00M for the brand name, because despite this entire CtC controversy, the Nostalgia Critic name is still making money off newbies who came in after CtC ran its course. He'll either get rich off the name or off the people trying to buy the name.
It's not like the brothers would ever want to. They have been friends with Michaud for years and clearly like him.
Doug Walker could also literally just, walk away, though. Do what Ellis did and become the Nostalgia Cricket or whatever. Nobody would really care, and he'd recover his fanbase pretty quick.
Doug Walker has an estimated net worth of $1.8 million. He could easily walk away. He just likes the money, and probably likes Mike.
Inept man-children: The company
coughspoonycough
Unfortunately that is the best way to describe it. The manner in which these people treated their former creators and crew is just unethical af.
watching this post-The Wall review is even better
Who else is here again after The Wall?
Honestly, I haven’t watched it but after watching enough clips and rewatching this and a recap and recontextualizing with him reading the whole Not Awesome doc (thanks Cinematic Venom) the clips of Doug screaming about copyright and the “where’s the fair use” shit really rub me the wrong way because now I see a whole different man than I did when this video first dropped.
I'm her after To Bodly Suck
Wait I don't understand why people are so upset about the wall someone please explain. People are making it sound like hypocrisy, but I don't understand
@@sarahperkins3816 Lupa's Minion's. The Wall's Review is just made fun of for good measure.
@@sarahperkins3816 for 39 minutes he bashes on the 1982 movie (based off the album), misinterpreting the meanings of the original songs and saying just "meh, it's okay" in the last 30 seconds.
Plus, he has a feature of Corey Taylor (the lead singer of Slipknot) but he sings all the songs himself.
I really like both Linkara and Lindsay Ellis and it's so fucked up that they were forced to do the scene even though they both heavily objected.
I'm so glad Lindsay ellis left; she's so talented and her video essays are really truly beautifully written actual video essays, not that nerdwriter shit
erin h why do people not like Nerderiter?
Jenifer Joseph his analyses are usually far-reaching and pretentious and don't really look into what he's analyzing
erin h Idk when you look at his analysis of Night Hawks and Leda and the Swan he goes pretty in depth into those works
I like both
erin h who's that?
Doug’s understanding of fair use is similar to when people use artwork without payment or permission under the logic of “well, Im giving them free exposure”
Like Aaron Carter
Correction: They didn't spend $90,000 to do the show. Half of the money went to Doug Walker's pockets.
Doug, Rob, Mike and Brad (Cinema Snob) all split it and only 2500 was used for the shows Demo Reel and Pop Quiz hotshot. I heard Holly found that out later.
This confirms to me that Doug has completely mismanaged his career.
The guy was a pioneer in internet content, he should have his own channel with 2M+ subs minimum and dipped his toes in some movies.
He didn't need dozens of irrelevant creators similar to him.
At most 2 or 3 people helping his stuff run.
James Rolfe has done exactly that and with virtually 0 controversy.
Definitely mismanaged. The smartest thing he did with Nostalgia critic was not tying it to movies from his childhood (I mean that was a limited market that only becomes increasingly more limited as time goes on).
Doug has tried various other projects and stuff but most of them have not really worked out well. Which is fair, success is paved with failure, but honestly it would have been better if he was a bit more conservative with his business.
Then again I don't know all the behind-the-scene details that happened with him so who knows.
Well there was the cheetah men scandal.
Chris Spawn Was that actually James fault though?
Adrian Nelson yeah it kinda was.
Adrian Nelson In a way yes The Archfiend made a great point about it in his Avgn cheetah men fundraiser vid it’s 8 minuets and brings up very good points.
Ayyy him listing Ralphthemoviemaker is like when A superhero mentions another superhero in a marvel movie
Nick Paul Q
Nick Paul Ralph and Jenny Nicholson I was like I KNOW THEM
UA-cam cinematic universe deeper than the MCU
SO MUCH YAS
Hey, you know Lantern-Man?
Don’t they know that ignoring a problem makes it worse?
I stopped watching Nostalgia Critic in 2014, due his episodes getting unfunnier and unfunnier.
Now after watching "The Fall of Channel Awesome", I will never watch his videos ever again.
I hope James Rolfe doesn't become like him.
If James Rolfe was to become like him, that would have already happened. He's doing his own little thing, not trying to create a corporation to control. Even when he made a movie, he actually did so by making it an actual movie production with professionals and took his time and whatnot instead of believing he can handle it by himself in a week. He's 100 times more genuine as a person and talented than Doug Walker.
In truth, AVGN won the battle that was waged back then, instead this time he played the long game.
Crimson Dynamo so ranting on movies makes you awful?
Baz The Storyteller Sorry bud, I got bad news for ya: ua-cam.com/video/c4oyHhb5kV8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=RetroGameLivingRoom
James Rolfe sure is lucky his successful website is only managed by himself and a close friend.
And even then Mike Matei has done some really stupid and unprofessional shit.
The Cheetahman 2 incident is the first thing that springs to mind. Mike didn't handle the criticism regarding that whole scam very well. Although, that was nothing new even then though. He would frequently engage the trolls sometimes while using the AVGN UA-cam account especially if they mentioned Chris Bores a.k.a The Irate Gamer way back in the day.
Caden Does Gaming "Hey everyone! I'm here with my friend Inspector Gadget!"
MINEYCRAFTA
not you too bad doug didnt do that. He could have had a successful channel easily on his own
To be compared to The Room and be considered worse because you goddamn dont pay your people.
.....Ohhhh godsss;;;......
Juu Ju at least the room was fun to watch, his stuff was just awkward and boring
The linkara clip you play really reminds me why I like Linkara so much.
there's something really cruel about writing a scene were he off all people has to play a rapist.
Linkara is funny. Seems like a cool guy I guess.
The only good thing that came out of this channel was all the genuinely good content reviewers that left it
Give A Voice From The Dark a listen.
I hate to see people celebrating the existence of these allegations because they think Channel Awesome is "unfunny" or "cringy". His content being funny or good doesn't have anything to do with these allegations.
Agreed. Art is subjective. Sadly some people have used these horrible allegations to their advantage. Hope CA responds.
Emano just because you follow a personality doesn't mean you know them, and trust me you don't want to
after hearing all of this, i'm disqusted by these behaviors
Couldn't agree more. I have seen so many people finding the whole situation amusing and ignoring how many people got hurt just bc they didn't like channel awesome
Gorgeous Gremac I never claimed to know the people over there, I'm just mad the cringetube community just preffers to make fun of content they dont find entertaining instead of worrying about the actual crimes the NC staff commited. Its like if someone like ricegum killed somebody but people reacted with "omg his videos are so lame"
Emano i agree on that, many people would say "oh thier lame anyway or they suck" instead of discussing the actual alleigation
Channel awesome might have not been liked by many, but they were respected content creators on the site, if the alleigations were 100% true (which likely they are) then CA will lose everything it had of love and respect
Suddenly Tommy Wiseau doesn't sound so bad.
I kinda wish Tommy Wiseau would make a review of the fourth channel awesome movie...
I mean at least he *paid* his actors.
13:01 Having now actually taken a film production course and completed a 7.5 minute documentary short, I can't imagine what filming To Boldy Flee would have been like. My partner and I shot roughly, 4-5 hours of footage over the course of two days, cut it down to 30 minutes of usable footage, then spent 20+ hours to edit it into the final product. By the end of that process, we were beat to hell. The idea of shooting 18 hour days for a week straight is absurd. Knowing how so many of the content creators I adore were treated, I'm really glad I never watched any of the crossover specials.
Do watch (rather, listen to) the recent one, A Voice From The Dark, made outside of CA, that reunited many contributors and several that never got a chance to crossover. It's a very solid story, it's great to hear from them all again, and it's completely devoid of all of CA's hallmarks.
I think the biggest mistake they made with all of their movies is the scheduling. They chose one week where they could get all the people together and then filmed everything during that one week. In one of their movies, they basically lost a full day of shooting because it rained the whole day and like 90% of the movie took place outside so they had even less time to do that one.
Doug's year book picture is absolutely terrifying.