New Anthem AV 8K Processors Receivers 2022 - AVM 90, AVM 70 8K, MRX 1140 8K, MRX 740 8K, MRX 540 8K
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2022
- New Anthem AV 8K Processors Receivers 2022 - AVM 90, AVM 70 8K, MRX 1140 8K, MRX 740 8K, MRX 540 8K
The video walks through our standards analysis of each model, price comparisons and then reviews the detailed specifications -
- Speaker layouts and surround format support
- DACS
- Inputs and Outputs
- Video / HDMI 2.1 details
- Networking
- Voice Control, Protocols, Triggers and Integrations
- Streaming Ecosystem support
- Internet Streaming support
- Remotes
- Physical, Manufacturing location, Warranty
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You deserve a million subscribers. Thank you so much for the quality of this!
I had the AVM 60 in past and slowly got tired of complexity. I went to 2 channel stereo near high end and Sony ES series all in ones.
The Sony models are certainly much simpler - and sound great. -Jon
Hi John, excellent video. Maybe I missed it, but did they ever figure out the fan noise issue?
Hi John, great video as always keep up the amazing work. But, I just would like to point out that on this latest Anthem video, you misspelled the AVM 90 model side of the features section of the video, its seen on your video as "AMV 90" which it should be "AVM 90".
Just thought that I'd point that out to you, if you wanna go back and fix it.
Thanks - I caught myself transposing those letters a few times and corrected due to muscle memory when typing. I must have missed a few instances. -Jon
If a 11 Chanel preamp is sufficient enough for my use case a maranrz 7706 could fit the bill that checks all the boxes including dsd,auro3d,2.1 but would the sound quality be a step down to avm 70 ? Or a marantz av8805A may be clear choice over avm70
With up to 48Gbps bandwidth available on each of its 7 HDMI inputs, features like 4K/120Hz HDR graphics, Dolby Vision, and Dolby Atmos have never been easier to experience. AVM's Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) support includes both Freesync and G-Sync, so whether you are a console or PC gamer you can experience high frame rate gaming with no screen tearing. In addition, AVM's true HDMI 2.1 functionality means you won't be locked out of any of the other current technologies made possible with next-generation consoles like the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X. Coupled with support for advanced features like Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM), and HGiG, the AVM Series 8K is ready and waiting as these technologies roll out to your next-gen gaming hardware. For both today and tomorrow, the AVM Series 8K defines state-of-the-art gaming performance.
If Anthem is supporting 48Gbps throughout that would indeed place them at the top for performance.
For example
Onkyo claims - uncompressed HDMI 2.1 8K 60Hz and 4K/120Hz with HDR over 40 gbps
Yamaha - HDMI 2.1 capped at 24 Gbps
Denon/Marantz- HDMI at 40 Gbps
@@ripewave I have also seen what Dean cut/pasted on the Anthem website before (it's under the "learn more" tab after "Experience Gaming Like Never Before"), which sounded great and made me feel really good about my AVM 70 8k purchase. However, in your previous response, you make a good point. Why would their spec sheet state 18.2 Gbps for 4:4:4 subsampling @ 8k/60 Hz? Like you mentioned, that should be 21.4 Gbps.
When I see discrepancies like this within a brand website or other resources they release, I realize that there can be errors made by them - especially during the launch period. Marketing has to gather for subject matter experts, validate and ensure the right data makes it to the published content. Errors happen enough as to only use them as guides. Over time we should see the true values get reflected.
One example is with Denon/Marantz. They still have web pages that refer to QFT as “Quick Flame Transport”. They have correct on some of the latest models as “Quick Frame Transport” but even some of the new releases have the error.
From Denon AVR-A1H webpage
Variable Refresh Rate, Quick Flame Transport, Quick Media Switching Yes, Yes, No
www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/avr-a1h
Jon
Finally got a reply back from Anthem …. “I apologize for the delay in response. The spec sheet is a misprint, 18.2 Gbps is the HDMI 2.0 spec. The AVM 70 8k will have HDMI 2.1 which is the higher bandwidth”
That is good they confirmed it is higher, but they are still not forthcoming with the data rate they support.-Jon
Hi John, is there any advice on the version of Dolby Atmos and Dolby Surround Upmixer (DSU) implemented by Anthem that allows the 70/90/1140 to drive a 15 speaker layout? For example, is DSU v2.0 implemented and if not what are the plans for this update. Anthem have refused to respond to my direct request for this information!
I am sure we are all disappointed that DTS:X pro has not been implemented. Anthem have advised me there are no hardware limitations that would preclude this update.
Richard - you raise a very good question. It is something that is normally not published. I will need to research.
I have heard that Anthem’s responses can be less than helpful or silent. For them to dodge the DTS:x Pro question by stating that DTS:x Pro is “not really a format” and the Athem processor “support the necessary channels” is not a response the question.
I will see what I can find on the DSU version.
-Jon
@@ripewave Thanks John, one explanation is that Anthem has a special deal with Dolby that imposes restrictions. It would be disappointing if this also delayed or limited future Dolby upgrades, which can be significant for 15 channel users.
Given the price of the AVM90 is it worth it? Should we wait for the Marantz Cinema 10? I've been limping along with my Tonewinner AT300 which is not bad but doesn't do a great job with upmixing content. It doesn't seem to do Dolby Prologic at all. The best I get is some kind of half Atmos mix with my front 2 Atmos speakers.
AVM90 vs Marantz AV10 that is an interesting match up. Both processors in the same price range $7,000-$7,500. Both promise better DACS. Marantz supports Dtsx pro and Auto3d and Anthem doesn’t. Few over differences but the unknown is how will the sound quality compare? -Jon
Hi it says the input of the hdmi ports is 48gbpa. I believe that is needed for 8k.
48Gbps is the maximum throughput that the HDMI 2.1 standard supports. That amount of throughout is only needed with certain modes.
See the Anthem data sheets . For example - the AVM 70 8K data sheet states:
4:4:4 Subsampling @ 8K/60 Hz (18.2 Gbps)
That sheet can be found at
www.anthemav.com/downloads/anthem-avm-70-8k-spec-sheet-rev0.pdf
I will also call your attention to HDMI throughput calculators on the internet such as:
www.murideo.com/hdmi-21-bandwidth-calculator.html
At 4:4:4 8K 60hz the compressed bandwidth should require 21.4gbps. If you drop to 4:2:2 chroma sampling the compressed data rate drops to 14.3 gbps (42.8 gbps uncompressed). Seems like a low bandwidth for Anthem to claim. -Jon
Instead of akm 4458vn Now lower models consist six of ESS ES9010K2M SABER low power hyperstream stereo dac
I really appreciate this share. It is so hard to get the DAC details on these and with the swap outs due to production shortages, it got harder.-Jon
@@ripewave No Need to thank. I am happy to share this information with you. Jon. as you share new products in details with us
Perfect! That is the type of collaboration I am hoping for. We can learn much faster with an open exchange-Jon
Can anyone offer some insight… the power consumption ratings for the Anthem avr units appear to be extremely conservative/low compared to other manufacturers
Taking into account the much heavier weight difference I would assume the Anthems put out a lot more power for example the Marantz Cinema 60 24 lbs claims 650 watts power consumption with 100 watts 2 channels driven🤔
I suspect the added weight on the Anthem receivers is due to the use of toroidal power supplies. The weight of the power supply can be higher without influencing the power output. Anthem is still eating at 2 channels driven like Marantz so the measurement itself is still biased to show higher values for market perspective. In fact Anthem goes a step further by having lower ratings after the first 5 channels - only 60W @ 8 ohms 2 channels driven. - Jon
@@ripewave Jon,So is it safe to assume the MRX 540 is sending 100 watts per channel dynamically to each of the 5 channels? Please forgive the question if it appears goofy, I'm new to understanding all this.What makes the Anthem better other than room correction software. I know it is considered a superior product but trying to wrap head around how does it get there...Thanks!
@@balooo2863 it is likely that the Anthem rating is close enough to being correct for scope they claim - 2 channels driven at 8 ohms. So if all 5 channels are being driven at once then the output will be less. That is fine except for movies with dynamic scenes. In those cases not only do you get louder signals, you often get most channels active simultaneously. It is for those times you prefer to see an “all channels driven” rating.
Anthem Room Correction (ARC) is generally regarded as better than Audyssey but not as good as Dirac. With Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, Onkyo and Integra all offering Dirac now (plus existing NAD, Emotiva etc), ARC is less of an advantage. Yamaha with its own YPOA is the last method that gets poor reviews.
D+M closer to Anthem pricewise? In the US perhaps, yes. Here in Europe, no.
For example: Denon X4800H costs €1795, whereas the MRX 1140 8K costs €5639... That's 3 times the Denon.
Great feedback. I really need to understand the regional differences in cost going forward. Thanks for sharing. -Jon
I emailed Anthem about DTSX Pro before I even saw this video. Anthem emailed me back and said Pro is still coming, but no ETA at this time.
Thanks for sharing that reply from Anthem. When was that exchange? Recently?
Odd that they couldn’t provide a general estimate.
Jon
@@ripewave I found their reply in my email. This was sent to me on Sept 7, 2022:
Hello,
We plan to introduce DTS:X Pro to our new MRX/AVM products, but unfortunately due to engineering constraints we have had to focus on other areas of the MRX/AVM units. This means a significant delay for DTS:X Pro. We still have long term plans to introduce it in the future.
Jamie Z.
Technical Advisor
Paradigm / Anthem AV
Wow - so as of last month, they are saying that the delay will be significant. Given they claim to be focusing on “higher” priorities and now wonder what else are they working on.-Jon
@Ripewave Audio They'll drop the AVM 90 price to introduce a $8500 Processor with DTX Pro & 48 gbps, ALL mode, VRR, AURO 3D out the box 🤣. These companies r thieves.
Not support Auro 3D?
That is correct. When someone wrote to Anthem to inquire about Auro 3d, Anthem replied:
“Auro 3D. Anthem will not be supporting Auro 3D on any products. It is such a niche format, with so little content available it just doesn’t justify the effort.”
Not sure if the representative was authorized to make that statement, but it sound pretty clear.
While such positions can change, Auro3D adoption in movies hasn’t grown. Where Auro3D has gain the most support is with home users who like the Auromatic upmixer.
Jon
I'm def buyin the AVM 70K over Arcam. I want a full 9.2.6. I need my 2 subs. I dealt with Audyssey i can work with Anthem 🤣. This is why with technology, it's best to have patients bc a $4000 system will be $3500 soon
Yes - the Anthem AVM 70 4K is a much better value then the Arcam processors. Also good to see price drops. AudioAdvice has the AVM 70 4K on sale for $3,000. www.audioadvice.com/anthem-avm70-15-2-av-pre-amplifier-processor?gclid=CjwKCAiAv9ucBhBXEiwA6N8nYJjT-p6ePXuPJfJSyCt9Xy3w-rWzHGDHDKtFQ3Tqsce9Uv4kfKYF6xoCvl8QAvD_BwE
I choose the Emotiva RMC-1 for similar reasons - a bit different from the AVM 70 4K. Both good, but the RMC-1 won’t support 9.2.6 until they add an output expansion module - currently maxed at 9.3.4 or 7.3.6.-Jon
@Ripewave Audio I just finished calibrating my 9.2.6 system in my livingroom. It sounds insane in there. I have to watch movies at -40DB as thr highest I can go is -28db. When Atmos tracks play sound is still separated but with all chan stero OMG im in heaven. I literally have a speaker every 77 inches around in my livingroom 🤣🤣
No Auro 3D....No Thanks. Their upmixer like you mentioned in the vid (and the question below) is where Auro 3D shines on so many different formats. Always liked Anthem but that is a show stopper for our family. DSD support for our generation is also a must like you mentioned. Anthem is missing the mark IMHO. Keep the vids comin' Jon. Great comparison and the best on the web for facts on models.
JB - I raised the lack of Auro 3D support with you in mind. Thanks again for your regular feedback. DSD seems like such a quick win given the selected ESS chips support DSD very strongly.
Coming soon - in house testing of two product I just ordered. One is a mainstream receiver and the other is an expandable processor. That should provide me with direct experience between two different approaches.
Jon
@P T Thanks for your thoughts. Our family has found the Auromatic upmixing works well for about 75% of content and almost 90% of any multichannel hi resolution audio content making it our preferred selection. Dolby Atmos and DTS:X severely limit the bass and DTS:X throws too much into the center channel. Auro 3D allows adjustment for how much content you want your heights to have. You may have your Auro 3D setting too high. That being said, we don't own the Hi Res version of the Phantom but we do own the Blu-ray pure audio version of Les Misérables and similar to your comment regarding Phantom…we prefer the other up-mixers for that particular source. Hope this helps and enjoy the music my friend.
J B. - For your Auro 3D playback, do you use wall mounted "height" channels or ceiling mounted "top" channels configured as height speakers? Also do you have a top center channel? -Jon
@@ripewave we use wall mounted height channels Jon.
No top center.
@@jb.2986 my challenge is I don’t have wall mounted height speakers - 2 rows on the ceiling instead. I may try configuring a 2nd speaker layout in the Marantz where those get defined as “height” channels to fake out the system so I can experience AuroMatic 3D and not just 2D.
Many companies use:
1) The fires at semiconductor factories
2) The negative effects of the P(l)andemic
as an excuse to raise prices.
When they see the sales dropping drastically in the near future, they will be forced to act accordingly.
Now is not the time to buy (expensive) electronics.
If you are affluent, of course, there is no problem.
I think that is going on - at least in part. While there are some reasonable excuses for price increases, I don’t like companies using those excuses as opportunities to take additional profits. They need to be careful- the audio market is no longer a main stream business and they can’t afford to lose their audience over greed.-Jon
Were have you been,are the supermarkets making excuses like department store...as long as this president continues yo shut down drilling ,we must hang on for the next president to undo these failures green new deal policies...
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