The Alt-Right in Tabletop Games

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  • @snowttrpg
    @snowttrpg  3 роки тому +3099

    I'm going to post this due to several comments I've deleted who claimed rpgpundit didn't say they would march with nazis. I was going to keep them up because even as they tried to say "he didn't say that" they posted the quote in which he did say that.
    His direct quote is: "If some Nazi wants to march at my side at a Free Speech rally, I'm no one to stop him. So long as he doesn't try to turn said march into a Nazi rally, obviously."
    To which I'll quote Dr. Jens Foell: "If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."
    If you watched the video and missed the point about liberal civility allowing fascism, I would implore you to rewatch some of the videos I linked to throughout. I'm sure you've already watched them, but there's always more to gain from a second viewing.

    • @MadcapMachinations
      @MadcapMachinations 3 роки тому +30

      He actively worked with a facist who would later go on to try and overthrow the US governement. You can't get much more Nai adjacent than promotinga nd working with Alexander Macris.

    • @benjaminwenham7759
      @benjaminwenham7759 3 роки тому +324

      Walks like a duck, quacks with a duck, turns up to "free speech rallies" with other ducks...

    • @benjaminwenham7759
      @benjaminwenham7759 3 роки тому +15

      @@MadcapMachinations I am interested to know more about that connection.

    • @groovygorgar8408
      @groovygorgar8408 3 роки тому +32

      Dolli tweeted this comment and for some reason just coincidentally cut that last paragraph out.

    • @groovygorgar8408
      @groovygorgar8408 3 роки тому +46

      @@goukeban6197 I didn't sit through the whole video. Is there any point where she actually pushes him on his far right perspectives? Like is she critical to a point of making a stand to Nazi idealogies?
      I lurked on Twitter and she seems pretty buddy buddy with him.
      You're making a bad faith argument that doesn't accomplish anything my dude

  • @RileyRobertson-oi4fo
    @RileyRobertson-oi4fo 6 місяців тому +3843

    Interesting bit about the experiment, literally one student stood up against it (Tearing down the posters and making her own anti-movememt ones) she was ostracized and bullied by the other students.
    After it was all said and done the teacher commended her in front of everyone

    • @EepyGirlLava
      @EepyGirlLava 6 місяців тому +250

      An interesting book was written about it, im relatively sure it is called the wave, its written about that girl and actually very interesting. (Edit because I just realised I didn't say this, my mom actually lived in palo alto in that time and I still go there to visit extended family frequently, its super weird to hear about it in random media lol, also the small town in texas I grew up in is literally only known for a cult that had a massive police raid and movies made about it, for some reason most of the small towns relevant to me in any way are randomly famous)

    • @sonotdown998
      @sonotdown998 5 місяців тому +63

      @@EepyGirlLavaAn “Afterschool Special” dramatization of the same name aired on TV in 1981. It won an Emmy. (It’s available on UA-cam.)

    • @pearldiver6949
      @pearldiver6949 5 місяців тому +19

      @@EepyGirlLava are you talking about Waco? 😭 at least yall got chip & joanna Gaines now

    • @EepyGirlLava
      @EepyGirlLava 5 місяців тому +31

      @@pearldiver6949 Yea lmao I am, still incredibly funny that the random middle of nowhere area I'm from is just well known for cult activity, like the fact that I can mention that I used to live in a small area known for cult activity somewhere in the massive state that is texas, and you can just know where it is is genuinely wild. Also sidenote I moved to cali because texas is legitametly hell for quite a few reasons lol.

    • @azuravian
      @azuravian 5 місяців тому +26

      @@sonotdown998 ​ @EepyGirlLava It was also made into a movie in 2008 in Germany called Die Welle, which is fantastic if you don't mind subtitles. I believe the book, at least the one I'm aware of, is a novelization of the 1981 TV movie.

  • @Saibellus
    @Saibellus 5 місяців тому +2501

    I was a professional DM until recently, and I can authoritatively confirm that a huge part of recruiting players for games was sussing out the weirdos. I felt like I was constantly playing word games with alt-right fae, trying to trick them into answering my riddles three and revealing sexist or nazi sympathies.

    • @frakismaximus3052
      @frakismaximus3052 4 місяці тому +2

      "Sexist"... by which you obviously mean "not feminist". Sad how many people have deluded themselves into thinking that the most sexist ideology to literally have ever existed is about gender equality 😂

    • @ND-nr6mx
      @ND-nr6mx 4 місяці тому +498

      Nehheheh! If DMing privileges you expect, tell me which races deserve respect! 🧚‍♂️

    • @ellie8272
      @ellie8272 4 місяці тому +126

      God that's depressing

    • @nicolasnamed
      @nicolasnamed 4 місяці тому +161

      ​@@ND-nr6mx This made me laugh harder than it should have, thank you

    • @drearmouse9510
      @drearmouse9510 4 місяці тому +94

      Honestly sounds way more weird to be out sussing out supposed "nazis" instead of just playing some D&D and having fun. >_>

  • @zeflowerdemon8866
    @zeflowerdemon8866 4 місяці тому +1062

    1:24
    Imagine creating a literal super villain bc you asked one reasonable question.

    • @Miluriel
      @Miluriel 4 місяці тому +118

      It’s a good question, but it’s also very difficult to answer. The experiment is pretty much taught in every German school, because it’s easy to relate to something like this happening in a school/classroom. It was a good "answer" by that teacher, it just wasn’t exactly ethical...

    • @GigiBranconi
      @GigiBranconi 4 місяці тому +29

      ​@@MilurielWell one big reason why the movement took hold is because Germany was in extreme poverty from getting blamed for WW1 and they gave the people someone to blame, thus a means to get rid of their current, horrendous situation.
      If the people are suffering, they will take any chance they get to get out of their situation.
      Easy. Explained in two sentences.
      Poor people are desperate, if you want the answer in four words.
      Of course it can also happen to not desperate people, but Germanys situation at the time was not normal by any means. That already had desperation and resentment brewing across the country for over 2 decades. It was so much easier.

    • @FirstnameLastname-sb3hj
      @FirstnameLastname-sb3hj 4 місяці тому +29

      You want me to explain how fascism happens? Okay, fuck it, we're doing fascism now.

    • @VHSo_o
      @VHSo_o 4 місяці тому +35

      "How did fascism even happen??"
      "Allow me to demonstrate"

    • @gronizherz3603
      @gronizherz3603 4 місяці тому +4

      thehistorysquad has a very good video on this called: "Weimar Republic | Why did people follow Hitler?" which I would recommend.

  • @theaterobscura
    @theaterobscura 6 місяців тому +1376

    Essays from obscure channels about niche communities dealing with global issues is apparently my favorite genre of YT video.

    • @yunggolem4687
      @yunggolem4687 5 місяців тому

      YT just uses keyword detection on lefty buzzwords in the transcript then astroturfs those videos into the related & recommended sections.
      Pure narrative control.

    • @illona2537
      @illona2537 4 місяці тому +8

      Never had this put into words before but same

    • @lagoonman427
      @lagoonman427 4 місяці тому

      I also feel the same 🎉

    • @sam_wilds
      @sam_wilds 4 місяці тому +10

      Gotta be one of my favorite genders

    • @lausenteternidad
      @lausenteternidad 4 місяці тому +1

      So much this

  • @sorchara9119
    @sorchara9119 7 місяців тому +3065

    one thing i would add about the parallels drawn in the prologue. a huge takeaway from the "experiment" is that - its fun. it is fun to be part of the mob. it is electrifying, addicting, seductive, empowering, tempting, to be part of the opressive force. it takes genuine and conscious effort to resist. it is all to easy to slip in, and when you do, you'll like it. why climb out.

    • @jackclark4598
      @jackclark4598 7 місяців тому +106

      I'm doing my part!

    • @dragonslaya16
      @dragonslaya16 7 місяців тому +89

      I'm autistic

    • @sorchara9119
      @sorchara9119 7 місяців тому +73

      @@dragonslaya16 good for u man

    • @MrGameSecrets
      @MrGameSecrets 7 місяців тому +155

      I think a main issue with the experiment (as much as i think it is actually a very interesting one) is that he didn't include an outgroup. That's a key difference between fascism and more ordinary ingroup dynamics. It would also go way too far to do that in a school lol. But if for example, Blondes weren't allowed in the 3rd wave, that would be a more cogent parallel, as fascism is built on an un-alterable outgroup. It's key that not everyone CAN be in the party. Which is also why I actually don't believe that "it could happen to anyone", because people who are in those excluded groups cannot fall in line, and I'd sure fucking hope people close to those excluded groups wouldn't.

    • @inconspicuousrobot2685
      @inconspicuousrobot2685 7 місяців тому +37

      @@dragonslaya16you are immune to propaganda (afronding to my sources) you truly are gods strongest soldier

  • @HallowCosmo
    @HallowCosmo 7 місяців тому +1914

    What the hell hapoened for everyone to get this vid now

    • @bruciekibbutz2947
      @bruciekibbutz2947 7 місяців тому

      it has to be something to do with that 'in praise of shadows' video on wendigoon. some sort of algorithm shenanigans

    • @ItWasSaucerShaped
      @ItWasSaucerShaped 7 місяців тому +98

      trench crusade

    • @johnroscoe2406
      @johnroscoe2406 7 місяців тому +91

      @@ItWasSaucerShaped but I don't even know what Trench Crusade is.
      I do watch 40K lore videos though. From decent normal people.... Not that Arch Warhammer freak...

    • @Bollthorn
      @Bollthorn 7 місяців тому +325

      @@johnroscoe2406 Trench Crusade is a tabletop mini game. It's what would happen if, during the Crusades, a portal directly to hell was opened beneath Jerusalem, and the forces and cultists of both heaven and hell have been fighting a non-stop war for 800 years, so it's now 1914, so it's extended to stalemate trench warfare, but with the grimdark horror and cult-like fanaticism of 40k.
      Anyway, from my understanding, when all the recent drama about the female custodes started, a lot of 40k fans migrated to Trench Crusade, only to be told there were plenty of women in that setting too, and if they didn't like it they could get stuffed.

    • @johnroscoe2406
      @johnroscoe2406 7 місяців тому +125

      @@Bollthorn Ah. That's hysterical but hardly surprising.

  • @Gregbarlow04
    @Gregbarlow04 7 місяців тому +1050

    "The Wave" was an amazing German film about this exact social experiment. I haven't seen the American version, but I've heard the German adaptation was much better (including the ending, no spoilers). Teacher conducts a social experiment with their class, triggered by a comment that falling for fascism is silly considering we watched the rise and fall of the Nazi party. Within weeks, the school has a violent, insular group that can't be stopped until the teacher pulls the rug out in the end.

    • @psyience3213
      @psyience3213 7 місяців тому +33

      I saw the American version on tv one day randomly like 15 years ago. It was good

    • @Gregbarlow04
      @Gregbarlow04 6 місяців тому +20

      @Vesta_the_Lesser Fictional, maybe, but it illustrates the dynamic all the same. It parallels the story mentioned in this video to a T, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone wrote a book "based on true events".

    • @psyience3213
      @psyience3213 6 місяців тому +19

      @@Gregbarlow04 it just means they added some extra personal drama to make it a good story. I love those kinds of stories.

    • @jdools4744
      @jdools4744 6 місяців тому +4

      You liked the wave? LMAO how smooth is your brain?

    • @psyience3213
      @psyience3213 6 місяців тому +65

      @@jdools4744 anyone asking how smooth someone else’s brain is, is most certainly the dumbest person

  • @Alex_Barbosa
    @Alex_Barbosa 6 місяців тому +70

    Race in games like DnD has always been more about species than a racial system. Of course some of the different species have been racialized by the different settings, but the core of fantasy "races" is related so much to innate abilities and genetic makeup, sometimes from different worlds entirely, calling them "races" doesnt even fit their actual purpose in game.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 4 місяці тому +10

      True, the only reason we call it races is because it is associated with fantasy genre. Species makes more sense. Humans and elves are more like neanderthals and our ancestors - different species who can have children. Human being a race makes no sense since there are different races of human in universe

    • @_ClericalError_
      @_ClericalError_ 3 місяці тому +5

      @@slvaltva1392 The reason they are "races" and not "species" is because they can interbreed.
      Elves and humans can successfully breed and have half-elven children, so they are different races of men.
      Humans and Otyughs cannot breed as far as I am aware, they are different species.
      The original games only had humans, elves, dwarves and halflings/hobbits, so there were no half-lizardfolk trabaxi edgeling garbage to muddy the waters.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 3 місяці тому +6

      @@_ClericalError_ some species can interbreed like in example I mentioned in my og comment. It's literally school level knowledge

    • @_ClericalError_
      @_ClericalError_ 3 місяці тому +3

      @@slvaltva1392 There may be some special cases, but generally in biology, species are distinct groups of organisms that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring under natural conditions. Different species are usually unable to interbreed or, if they do, produce sterile offspring (e.g., a mule, which is a cross between a horse and a donkey but is typically sterile). The concept of species is based on reproductive isolation and evolutionary differences.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 3 місяці тому +4

      @@_ClericalError_ It's been proven long time ago that species that are closely related and has similar genes structure can interbreed and it's not too rare. Besides even if it was only special cases one can just assume races in dnd are this special case of closely related species.

  • @nathanjones8667
    @nathanjones8667 7 місяців тому +1193

    Algorithm pushing a video 2 years after the fact is WILD.

    • @suzuplaza
      @suzuplaza 6 місяців тому +56

      not wild, happens literally all the time

    • @trajhenkhet02
      @trajhenkhet02 6 місяців тому

      It's stupid. Gamers are some of the most accepting people I know. Alt right is a term bandied about to discredit conservative views and people. If one is worried about Nazi's invading a space, one should be sure to not adopt their methods. A common lefty problem. Totally wild btw.

    • @vassilus915
      @vassilus915 6 місяців тому +34

      Happens all the time

    • @socialistparadise4128
      @socialistparadise4128 6 місяців тому +30

      It's called propaganda

    • @boomerkobold3943
      @boomerkobold3943 6 місяців тому +23

      And it’s a terrible video at that.

  • @CoreysCards
    @CoreysCards 7 місяців тому +876

    Minor point of correction (because I hate the "Hasbro ruined WOTC" narrative): Hasbro purchased WOTC last century. There were only ever a few dozen sets published without their influence. I don't like cutting corporations like WOTC slack just because people THINK they are the little guys. No, they have long been inseparable from Hasbro. The vast majority of players have NEVER played MTG without the influence of Hasbro.

    • @tonyblitz1
      @tonyblitz1 7 місяців тому +126

      Devils advocate, there's always the possibility that Hasbro changed their approach to oversight over WoTC.
      I'm deeply familiar with corporate overlords letting a business cruise along and do it's own thing, while their focus is elsewhere, until one day they finally decide to put their full attention on one of their acquisitions.

    • @elijahherstal776
      @elijahherstal776 6 місяців тому +46

      "Leave my favorite billion-dollar toy-maker alone!" -you, a catamite

    • @tonyblitz1
      @tonyblitz1 6 місяців тому

      @@elijahherstal776 Loser

    • @danjoredd
      @danjoredd 6 місяців тому +23

      Sure. That is why Pathfinder 2 is superior. Play Pathfinder instead.

    • @elijahherstal776
      @elijahherstal776 6 місяців тому +16

      @@danjoredd Starfinder 1e was still a joke.
      "Unfortunately most planets and cultures still rely on capitalism"
      The writers were woke but also pathetic, so in a setting with magical space fairies they still couldn't make socialism work

  • @pihabi6430
    @pihabi6430 7 місяців тому +671

    Why is it that the one time I find my country mentioned in a random video it's about a neo nazi?

    • @tonyblitz1
      @tonyblitz1 7 місяців тому +51

      That's a bummer.
      Wanna tell me about someone cool from your country?

    • @citizenfoffie7605
      @citizenfoffie7605 6 місяців тому +41

      @@tonyblitz1 Varg Vikernes

    • @tonyblitz1
      @tonyblitz1 6 місяців тому +73

      @@citizenfoffie7605 human detritus.

    • @i.o.mnatperet587
      @i.o.mnatperet587 6 місяців тому +2

      @@tonyblitz1LOS SHAKERS

    • @polarianekheim
      @polarianekheim 6 місяців тому +6

      @@tonyblitz1Commander Rockwell

  • @Gustoberg
    @Gustoberg 4 місяці тому +235

    The hindsight of seeing this dude say gen Z tiktokers will overthrow SJW's, and seeing all the extremelly gay pals that support trans people on tiktok and the occasional fascist and not the contrary is very nice, makes me feel nice for being gen Z

    • @swifts6879
      @swifts6879 4 місяці тому

      Unfortunately mate the trends suggest otherwise. In the UK for example most Gen Z supported Reform, the Farage loonie party. A caveat you’re going to have to remember is that, as much as it sucks to say, most of the gen z who support leftist ideology are more middle class.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 4 місяці тому

      I never saw any gay supporters on tiktok tbf, I guess tiktok just doesn't think I care about this content. The fact that you get fascists on tiktok is worriyng tho, it means you might be interested in such content, so you probably somewhat a nazi sorry

    • @dr_popcorn
      @dr_popcorn 4 місяці тому +27

      We're on a good path so far. Let's hope we don't falter.

    • @lucase.2546
      @lucase.2546 3 місяці тому

      @@dr_popcornVery true

    • @JeremyAndersonBoise
      @JeremyAndersonBoise 3 місяці тому +8

      Why do you feel that makes Gen Z notable or unique? Not a callout, I am being genuine in the asking. Most people growing up in Gen X weren’t and aren’t fascists or bigots, for instance, that’s a new (imo it’s a billionaire propaganda movement) thing. Most people, writ large, aren’t extremists about anything. I do wish you and your generation the best, youngblood. We need more decency and compassion in the world, and we can pull for it together.

  • @jasongarrett768
    @jasongarrett768 5 місяців тому +217

    I finally watch this and low and behold it’s centered around someone I’ve known to be a miserable hateful ass for well over a decade. Uruguay’s least favorite son.
    Thank you for wading through the mire to put this together. It could not possibly have been a pleasant experience, but the more people are aware of the worst actors in the community the better.

    • @Ant509y
      @Ant509y 3 місяці тому +2

      Right? I have known Pundit for well over a decade too. Of course he’s still around…

  • @hughmccabe686
    @hughmccabe686 3 місяці тому +170

    had a friend go down the alt right youtube pipeline, all it took was some patience and education to change that narrow perspective

    • @Epic501
      @Epic501 3 місяці тому +21

      didn't happen

    • @neiana
      @neiana 3 місяці тому +13

      That's actually the issue. You took the time and fixed a problem. Most people just need time and effort to change their view, from an informed and caring individual. Most people are not given this, they are treated with ... well... some pretty nasty behavior, which only emboldens their belief. Good on you, wish everyone was like you.

    • @budgetcommander4849
      @budgetcommander4849 2 місяці тому +9

      @@neianaI am not spending the time to help someone who sees me as a parasite to be torn out, nor am I going to stand by and let them harm me and others like me. They are not my responsibility to fix.

    • @neiana
      @neiana 2 місяці тому +4

      @@budgetcommander4849 If you think socialism, or communism, or forcing people to pay into a pot for OTHER people to have their stuff paid, then it -IS- your responsibility. If you think paying taxes so others have food or housing then it -IS- your responsibility.
      SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY is not simply paying your taxes or thinking people should financially pay for immigrants or old, sick people so they can afford to continue existing, it's to face issues with other human beings and make the world a better place. Together.

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne 2 місяці тому +1

      your friend was right.

  • @luckyowl9191
    @luckyowl9191 7 місяців тому +820

    seems like a bunch of random people are getting this video recommended now huh, wonder why

    • @lordilluminati5836
      @lordilluminati5836 7 місяців тому +45

      trench crusade drama

    • @ZafyrArt
      @ZafyrArt 7 місяців тому +249

      Take your pick - Warhammer 40k alt-right people being BTFO by recent things GW has been doing, Trench Crusade putting the kibosh on the same group of 40k alt-right people trying to use their game as their new bastion, when the makers on their own discord were like "Wow you guyse are gross, gtfo rofl," and banned pretty much everyone who swarmed their discord with the intent of turning into the discord equivalent form of a Nazi Bar. The devs of Trench Crusade weren't gonna have that.
      And those are just the two most recent developments, there's -so- much more that's going on in the tabletop world. Changes in Dungeons and Dragons, further stories being introduced to the Battletech lore that add queer characters of ultimately no consequence but since they exist they gotta hate it. On and on it goes.
      But hey, according to them, these spaces are dying, even though its getting bigger and better by the day and it's kinda awesome, because I get to more easily share these fun hobbies with others.

    • @attilamarics3374
      @attilamarics3374 7 місяців тому +67

      @@ZafyrArt These places arent getting bigger. Maybe they sell more, but they sell only stuff without quaity. Warhammer is a dying brand.

    • @corvus_armatura7595
      @corvus_armatura7595 7 місяців тому +43

      @@ZafyrArt Yeah sure, keep deluding yourself. I'm sure a woman they just banned is someone who's going to turn their discord into some sort of biker bar.

    • @ItWasSaucerShaped
      @ItWasSaucerShaped 7 місяців тому

      @@ZafyrArt annnnd there's the alt-right losers, right on cue
      hey, why dod you guys feel the needs to try and brigade into other spaces instead of just creating your own? oh, right - i know the answer to that one: any space you create instantly becomes an uninhabitable wasteland

  • @CrabCrow
    @CrabCrow 5 місяців тому +368

    I think it's been an uphill battle to reign in the less savory side of D&D. The early campaign modules were often about slavery, racism, and sexism. It only follows that there's a contingent (usually older men) who view the changing landscape as a loss of those core tenets. I have a small example, and I think, a microcosm of the whole debate.
    I once played a one-off game which was hosted at a local library and open to anyone. The players were myself, two D&D friends, as well as two teenage girls who were obviously new to the game. The DM was an old schooler, probably in his 60's. The background lore he gave us at the start was overly long and tedious but eventually we got on playing and, as you do, found the local tavern. The first thing the DM described were the "tavern wenches" who happened to be all the local teenage girls from the village. He described how they wore low cut tops to show off their cleavage and get bigger tips as that was the only job available to them. The real teenage girls at the table looked mortified and checked out for the rest of the game. They hurried off as fast as they could afterward.
    Call me crazy, but I think Wizards of the Coast would have wanted those kids to have a positive experience and not feel sexualized while playing their game. I think anyone who says it's woke for them to tame down those aspects that make people uncomfortable just doesn't understand capitalism.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 5 місяців тому +88

      They also don't understand just being a half-decent person.

    • @JKnksrsly
      @JKnksrsly 5 місяців тому +4

      Oh Boy

    • @loganredding1621
      @loganredding1621 4 місяці тому +35

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 exactly. These people have a problem with respecting others feelings, and boundaries, as if that is not a thing any good person would do

    • @alexs.5871
      @alexs.5871 4 місяці тому +26

      ​@@loganredding1621and yet you know it's the same people who will start an entire crusade if someone ever dares to hurt *their* feelings

    • @loganredding1621
      @loganredding1621 4 місяці тому +34

      @@alexs.5871 yep. There are no bigger hypocrites in the world than the people who call “snowflake”.
      Just take the new dnd PHB. I’ve seen these people complain about the art in that book and acting like dnd is now completely ruined, even though the art is just supposed to be visual, illustrations and don’t tell us anything about the actual gameplay

  • @WolfHreda
    @WolfHreda 7 місяців тому +161

    I knew a little about the Burzum thing, but I had no idea he had a connection to the TTRPG scene.

    • @Faus4us_Official
      @Faus4us_Official 6 місяців тому +26

      That was a premise for Varg making music. He wanted music to listen to while playing TTGs. MyFarog is one he made.

    • @corripiocruo
      @corripiocruo 6 місяців тому +29

      you'll come to notice after enough exposure that the people who made (and still make) death/black metal are fantasy nerds
      MYFAROG isn't bad but holy shit, varg can't assemble a sourcebook to save his life

    • @baronvonshekel7323
      @baronvonshekel7323 6 місяців тому +23

      He can't write books in general,his whole "my black metal scene story" book is just "i was good" and "Euronymous was shit"

    • @desktorp
      @desktorp 6 місяців тому +9

      @@baronvonshekel7323 It's pretty pathetic that you hate a guy but are so obsessed with him that you still read his books.

    • @saebelorn
      @saebelorn 6 місяців тому +21

      @@desktorp Look at his avatar and name, smart person

  • @jestersnb9761
    @jestersnb9761 6 місяців тому +832

    >greedy merchants
    he wasn't talking about leftists. he was talking abt jews.

    • @gidofter_lukge
      @gidofter_lukge 6 місяців тому

      Anti-semitism!

    • @blipboigilgamesh7865
      @blipboigilgamesh7865 6 місяців тому

      Stop using greentext on fckin youtube it makes you sound deranged

    • @blipboigilgamesh7865
      @blipboigilgamesh7865 6 місяців тому +83

      Stop using greentext on youtube it looks embarassing

    • @lancesmith8298
      @lancesmith8298 6 місяців тому

      @@blipboigilgamesh7865I’m not trusting somebody named “BlipBoiGilgamesh” to inform me on the cringitude of greentext formatting outside of 4chan

    • @lancesmith8298
      @lancesmith8298 6 місяців тому

      Honestly? Same thing to these people. It’s deep in the weeds of the Alt Right Playbook’s footnotes, but the core of fascism isn’t antisemitism, but the blind pursuit of political authority at any cost. This is why the death camps housed communists, Roma, and many more minority groups besides Jews.

  • @capsizemoonz2251
    @capsizemoonz2251 7 місяців тому +326

    I thought this was gonna be about fatal
    That deranged ttrpg that was made way back when

  • @barrydheil
    @barrydheil 4 місяці тому +268

    Gen Z here. I was fortunate to have escaped the alt-right pipeline. It began with people taking down stupid ideas, and because he happened to be an easy to debunk alt-Righter, I was exposed to the holes in other conservative and far right talking points. I count myself lucky, because I have seen quite a few people who could have been me in an alternate timeline, and all I can say about them is that I genuinely hope that they can break their conditioning, as the fear the masters of the alt-right puts in their hearts and minds makes the world seem like an ugly place.

    • @VHSo_o
      @VHSo_o 4 місяці тому +11

      proud of you. never stop improving

    • @Kapitano414
      @Kapitano414 4 місяці тому +4

      Good job! Now just avoid being conditioned and swallowed whole by the breadtube pipeline and you should be well on your way to being an independent, healthy free thinker.

    • @biggestastiest
      @biggestastiest 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Kapitano414enlightened centrist spotted

    • @pketchum08
      @pketchum08 4 місяці тому

      @@Kapitano414It is laughably ridiculous to suggest that the left is anywhere similar to the right when it comes to indoctrination. The left *are* the free thinkers. The “middle ground” isn’t real. If you claim there’s a middle ground between Nazis and Not Nazis, and that one of those groups is not objectively correct, you are sympathizing with Nazis- the objectively incorrect ones.

    • @jerkysasquatch9256
      @jerkysasquatch9256 4 місяці тому

      I just don't like minorities

  • @RaunienTheFirst
    @RaunienTheFirst 6 місяців тому +149

    9:53 that's Philosophy Tube's brother, Sophistry Pipe.

    • @Hylebos75
      @Hylebos75 6 місяців тому +36

      All hail Abigail!

    • @Gormbauer
      @Gormbauer 4 місяці тому +4

      Hail! Hail! Hail!

  • @miya1285
    @miya1285 7 місяців тому +416

    jacob geller needs his music cues back by monday. good video tho.

    • @qiff6667
      @qiff6667 6 місяців тому +40

      love me some Max Payne 3 OST by HEALTH

    • @jimmyspace5839
      @jimmyspace5839 6 місяців тому +56

      wolfenstein in antifascist vids always goes hard tho

  • @seanla38
    @seanla38 7 місяців тому +631

    How the hell did i get here from a woodworking video wtf 😮

    • @nuclearicebreaker
      @nuclearicebreaker 7 місяців тому

      google trying to use autoplay to feed you soyslop

    • @galladite4924
      @galladite4924 7 місяців тому +25

      The algorithm at work!

    • @sebicmiel4221
      @sebicmiel4221 7 місяців тому

      The algorithm works in mysterious ways lol
      Fuck the alt-right tho

    • @WyntheRogue
      @WyntheRogue 7 місяців тому +55

      Algorithm's been pushing alot of content related to right wing pundits [in this case a video rightfully warning about them as they are absolutely kooky dooks]

    • @jeremyk7213
      @jeremyk7213 7 місяців тому

      Haven't you heard? Appreciation of traditional crafts is an indicator of nazi ideology.

  • @johnkfriday
    @johnkfriday 5 місяців тому +164

    This is the first good hyperspecific recommendation UA-cam has ever given me.

    • @KangarooKommando
      @KangarooKommando 5 місяців тому +5

      Quite the journey, the algorithm did something right for once

  • @NaCk210
    @NaCk210 6 місяців тому +107

    The main question that I get min my head after this video is : why would someone move to Uruguay, especially coming from Canada? I mean, money laundering comes to mind, but I'm sot sure that guy makes enough money to warrant laundering it.

    • @juniper-ug3hs
      @juniper-ug3hs 5 місяців тому +22

      He's answered it several times. Urbanski is Latino and is fluent in Spanish. He is a full time game designer and his income from drive thru rpg and income streams is enough to live off of when getting paid in USD

    • @MrDou
      @MrDou 4 місяці тому +32

      ​@@juniper-ug3hs classic case of pseudo digital nomad, aka "gringo living abroad because it's cheaper". The generally conservative cultures of southern cone countries might also be an appealing factor.

    • @juniper-ug3hs
      @juniper-ug3hs 4 місяці тому +7

      @@MrDou that's a good point but I wouldn't say he's a nomad. I think he's been in uruguay for several years in the same building. I think he might even have citizenship

    • @Just_some_guy_1
      @Just_some_guy_1 4 місяці тому +9

      @@MrDou "gringo living abroad because it's cheaper"
      Yeah, it's called being smart. If you're income is not dependent on location, go where it's cheap.

    • @MisterWebb
      @MisterWebb 4 місяці тому

      @@juniper-ug3hsHe’s a Latino as well as being Jewish? A complex character indeed

  • @TeaIngyer
    @TeaIngyer 6 місяців тому +183

    Fun fact : A channel called Midwinter Minis tried to address this last year, and got literal death threats on himself and his kids, just for pointing out that many alt righties like to play wargames because it means they can play the 1940s Germans....

    • @KT-pv3kl
      @KT-pv3kl 6 місяців тому +2

      did you drink paintthinner?
      Mid Minis made a braindead video about " muh nzis bad" and "everyone who plays bad guys in games is just as bad as the bad guys" he got flak because his take and argument was insane and nothing more than anecdotal virtue signaling to the left with zero evidence or even so much as acknowledging other more reasonable explanations.
      its the "hitlr drank water" fallacy all over again.
      ask yourself this and do it honestly: has ANY wargamer EVER criticized anyone for playing the commies in historical wargames and claimed that ppl who play them must therefor agree with the commies?

    • @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer
      @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer 6 місяців тому +35

      Hilarious tidbit: you can expel them as Red Orchestra did *by increasing accuracy and realism,* Oh but do they ever hate having their Hitlery Channel Invincibility mysticism shattered by the dreary reality of Maybach engines

    • @Coinneach-ez7ec
      @Coinneach-ez7ec 5 місяців тому +12

      didn't he leave his girlfriend and their kids for a younger woman and pays the minimal amount of child support possible I think that's what warranted the majority of the drama not some silly video about historical wargaming

    • @KT-pv3kl
      @KT-pv3kl 5 місяців тому +14

      @@Coinneach-ez7ec only his viewers are aware of that fact. the drama got more publicity as many other content creators replied to it.

    • @thecableguy8443
      @thecableguy8443 5 місяців тому +6

      @@KT-pv3kl mf defending a guy who abandons his children. Great argument buddy

  • @ErkenbrandsTopGuy
    @ErkenbrandsTopGuy 6 місяців тому +176

    Greedy Merchants
    Yea I’m sold lmao, Urbanski wasn’t even trying 💀

    • @EddieNoon
      @EddieNoon 4 місяці тому

      Nazis, Nazis everywhere...

    • @perotekku
      @perotekku 3 місяці тому +12

      Barely even a dog whistle at that point, it might as well be an airhorn.

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne 2 місяці тому +1

      based

  • @DeathByMinnow
    @DeathByMinnow 4 місяці тому +300

    Funny how every video I find about alt-right/Nazi behavior has a bunch of people telling on themselves in the comments. "You can't call ME a Nazi just because I agree with a lot of the things that define Nazism! Learn to disagree!"
    All you had to do, commenters, was NOT say "I agree with Nazis, but you should respect that!" and no one would be talking to you.

    • @BaslightBatekeepBoyboss
      @BaslightBatekeepBoyboss 4 місяці тому +20

      Please define Nazism.

    • @DeathByMinnow
      @DeathByMinnow 4 місяці тому +103

      @@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss Sorry person who loves making internet strangers mad, this was WAY too obvious.

    • @TRENCHESandTREADS
      @TRENCHESandTREADS 4 місяці тому +2

      @@DeathByMinnow So you don't have an answer to his question? Wow, such intellectual honesty from you, I bet you're communist indoctrinator is so proud right now.

    • @edlike
      @edlike 4 місяці тому +54

      @@DeathByMinnow said it better than i couldve. For people who get defensive watching a video like this the arguing in the comments seems to be the whole point.

    • @LauraLovesHugs
      @LauraLovesHugs 4 місяці тому

      @@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss local nazi thrown out of comment section for posting way too lazy bait

  • @glass_knuckles
    @glass_knuckles 7 місяців тому +175

    I bet Urbanski has changed his tune about Gen Z and TikTok since 2016 lol

    • @lethaldream50
      @lethaldream50 7 місяців тому +34

      the schadenfreude is good

    • @CaptainRufus
      @CaptainRufus 6 місяців тому +63

      Last I knew he was becoming crazier. He started being mad at some RPG with a deer in it then just screaming about wokes.

    • @dr_popcorn
      @dr_popcorn 4 місяці тому +7

      He didn't realize that most of us grew up and left that "oh-so-alluring" right wing pipeline from 2016. We zoomers are overwhelmingly leftist.

  • @bigjim2times
    @bigjim2times 6 місяців тому +106

    The intro bit about the history class, is pretty much average school in east and southeast Asia lol.

    • @CTimmerman
      @CTimmerman 6 місяців тому +26

      Which explains all the creepy class presidents in anime.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA 5 місяців тому +13

      @@CTimmerman People from Europe get a culture shock how in FFVIII, sterotypical bullies Seifer, Raijin and Fujin, were heads of the DISCIPLINARY committee, but this explains it.

    • @anjetto1
      @anjetto1 4 місяці тому

      Is that why all their women are being constantly abused and attacked? Excellent culture

  • @NightmareLyra
    @NightmareLyra 7 місяців тому +85

    Speaking of bad murder wolfyboy, I feel Metal has started going this route again as of late with bands like Slaughter to Prevail having explicit ns-ties but is still allowed on a mainstream label and is being supported by other right wing bands like FFDP on tour, which sucks a lot

    • @36inc
      @36inc 6 місяців тому +24

      as a long term fan of mtal- unfortunately n@zi bands are old hat. theres been examples since atleast the 1980s. i dont know if any naz'i were jamin to war pigs that woulda been hella ironic but yeah i think they mostly poppped up in the 80s and it was eassy for fans to not know them cause the media never separated them into the stuff they freaked out about. satanic panic - which is wild to humans its more scary if a mythical devil (which songs were often against actually they couldnt tell the difference between various speed and deathmetal acts.) than they are of actual real life evil. if those satanic panic types even considered nazis evil in the first place.

    • @hotshot590
      @hotshot590 6 місяців тому +4

      I bet it is. I went to a Death Metal show with a friend a while back and one of the bands was playing Wehrmacht footage behind them.

    • @_Devil
      @_Devil 6 місяців тому +8

      If you want to gatekeep an entire piece of media to only include people who share your politics, I promise you it's not the opposition who are the bad guys.

    • @36inc
      @36inc 6 місяців тому

      @_Devil nazism is not a politically viable system its a death cult and not something you give space too. No ones listening to a band cause they share the same infrastructure ideals or economic goal. We however should make a clear line between normal folk and conartists who belong to some post apocalypse larpers.

    • @jordanetherington1922
      @jordanetherington1922 6 місяців тому

      @@_Devil No the Nazis are the bad guys

  • @void-creature
    @void-creature 3 місяці тому +8

    8:39 the unspoken rule of having to include this track from Mick Gordon's Wolfenstein OST in a video essay about Nazis strikes yet again!
    I'm certainly not complaining.

    • @b4byj3susm4n
      @b4byj3susm4n 3 місяці тому +4

      To quote Civvie11 from his video about the original Wolfenstein 3D: “This software kills fascists!”
      Remember that: FPSs were born by killing Nazis.

  • @Filloax
    @Filloax 7 місяців тому +122

    After around 11:00 subtitles start going haywire and speeding past the video, is that happening to other people?

    • @gabrote42
      @gabrote42 7 місяців тому +29

      It's a comment that was poorly formatted and you gotta pause to read. Normalizes a minute later

  • @craboomba
    @craboomba 6 місяців тому +51

    Absolutely insane how the dude uses his Polish grandfather to call millenials entitled only to say brexit was good and EU is evil. I am Polish, I have lived in Poland all my life and so have my grandparents, and great grandparents (except during the partitions). It's fucking baffling to me how he mentions two things in specific (EU failing and Brexit doing great) that would explicitly negatively impact Polish people, while also using Poland being attacked in 1939 as a shield in a different argument, genuinely baffling.

    • @azliaheaven
      @azliaheaven 6 місяців тому +10

      no to mention that even if brexit were doing great (besides some port companies it is not mate) that is the definition of europe being turn to pieces istead of any migration or policy rhetoric, return to brutal competition between brother nations istead of cooperating, as if we didn't learned a thing were that path leads in the last 2 centuries

  • @vitaminwater9662
    @vitaminwater9662 5 місяців тому +202

    Notice how every detractor in the comments has the same condescending offended tone? You really hurt their feelings, keep it up

    • @JinStreams
      @JinStreams 5 місяців тому +59

      They aren't even hiding it, calling him jewish, or a pedo, etc.

    • @wolloms
      @wolloms 4 місяці тому

      No it just shows your in an radical echo chamber trying to inject Marxist ideals into table top gaming like weirdos.

    • @muppetry1
      @muppetry1 4 місяці тому

      ​@@JinStreamsis he even Jewish or the neos just hate him so they call him that?

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne 2 місяці тому

      what detractors? are they in the room with us now?

    • @LorenzoCassaro
      @LorenzoCassaro Місяць тому

      @@mrosskne I mean, you clearly are one. But I understand that self awareness doesn't score very high in your list of skills.

  • @shinkinotenki
    @shinkinotenki 5 місяців тому +133

    I felt so excluded in my youth when I wanted to play MTG and D&D. The boys around me were not very interested in letting an afab into their gaming circles. Now, in my 30s, I decided to get back into it. What a change! I've been watching Dimension 20, where it seems like they make a real effort to include everyone. I was overjoyed to find that there are so many left-leaning and diverse players and circles. There are even leftist and antifascist ttrpgs like Penumbra City. I guess I'm now disappointed to hear that tabletop gaming has more than its share of vocal right wingers, just like video gaming (I always play alone or with no mic). I'm glad I haven't run into many of them. I hope kids who want to get into these games don't feel pushed out like I did.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 4 місяці тому

      Yeah, kinda makes me wish it was less radical tho

    • @Ezullof
      @Ezullof 4 місяці тому +4

      It's nice to see that D&D and TTRPGs in general don't suffer from the same problem as before to the same extent... Sadly there are also new problems. The community has been shattered. Even circles that seem inclusive on the surface tend to have their own questionable beliefs that keep getting brought up in the background.
      I recently cancelled my subscription to dropout because of their rampant antisemitism. It's truly a shame when you think you found a really cool group of players, a very talented DM and a team who clearly make efforts ; when it feels seamlessly inclusive, and then bam, jewface, support for antisemitic organizations. I was absolutely disheartened, especially since I had had to leave a group just before that, because they were starting to become overly Qanonesque.
      I wouldn't say that the future is bright. As people decide to trap themselves in close communities, disdain for openmindedness and empathy arise. It really feels like even in leftist groups/communities, you need to belong to certain recognized minorities and you need to hold views that are only more and more radicalized (thirdworldism, panafricanism, historical revisionism, alternative medicine etc). The only solution is to bring back people together and to restore trust in scientific institutions but I feel like we're too far gone at this point, and that's not even talking about alt right.

    • @basicallychase1656
      @basicallychase1656 3 місяці тому +4

      @@slvaltva1392hell I wish it were more radical

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 3 місяці тому

      @@basicallychase1656 well you do you

    • @_ClericalError_
      @_ClericalError_ 3 місяці тому +4

      This line of thinking is literally: "I am so happy to discover gaming groups that align with my politics! I am super sad do discover there are gaming groups that don't align with my politics!"
      Like wtf. None of this has anything to do with gaming. If a social group doesn't want someone as a member they shouldn't be shamed into accepting them against their wishes, it will only breed contempt and eventually hatred. Nothing is stopping anyone from forming their own groups including the people that THEY want to hang around.

  • @Neverendingbruhmoment
    @Neverendingbruhmoment 4 місяці тому +12

    This is a fantastic video essay, I always have UA-cam in the background while I’m doing other things but I was glued to the screen the entire time. Stellar stuff!

  • @everettw.9610
    @everettw.9610 6 місяців тому +23

    Ian Danskin's endnote on GamerGate isn't actually the first time he's explored it - he has a series called "Why are you so angry? - An autopsy of GamerGate" which is very good and probably worth a watch. I hadn't even known that he did an endnote about it lol

  • @CalaghanLethbridge
    @CalaghanLethbridge 3 місяці тому +8

    this was my first time watching one of your videos and I just wanted to say this was a tremendous effort and so well done. thank you for the obvious hard work. Looking forward to watching more of your stuff and showing my friends. loved this and im super impressed with the quality. you deserve even more subscribers.

  • @eliwallenstein7773
    @eliwallenstein7773 3 місяці тому +14

    as a black metal listener who's been making fun of him for years, varg being in this video was like a jump scare LMAO. not used to seeing him mentioned outside of music conversations

    • @FakeDelTaco
      @FakeDelTaco 3 місяці тому +1

      Is that the guy who made the song at 8:43?

    • @w4terbucket
      @w4terbucket 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah I have a band for you bud its called Pansy Division

    • @nattmelankoli
      @nattmelankoli 2 місяці тому +2

      @@FakeDelTaco no, the guy that made the song is Mick Gordon and the song title is "Traitor Punks, Gtfo"

    • @FakeDelTaco
      @FakeDelTaco 2 місяці тому +1

      @@nattmelankoli Oh thx mate

  • @leightonpetty4817
    @leightonpetty4817 4 місяці тому +6

    That “The answer is D” caught me off guard lmao, even with the title

  • @ActuallyAlasar
    @ActuallyAlasar 2 місяці тому +6

    Man based on that title I thought I was gonna get some game recommendations. What a letdown...

  • @Foxtrot4504
    @Foxtrot4504 7 місяців тому +587

    Pretransition Abigail jumpscare lol

    • @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo
      @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo 7 місяців тому +294

      It's just the character she used to play.

    • @Foxtrot4504
      @Foxtrot4504 7 місяців тому +140

      @@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo I like this thought process alot

    • @MsSarahJosephine
      @MsSarahJosephine 7 місяців тому +59

      You should have seen my freakout when the Arsonist returned...

    • @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo
      @ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo 7 місяців тому +14

      @@MsSarahJosephine yea that was cash money

    • @Thunderous333
      @Thunderous333 7 місяців тому +4

      Timestamp?

  • @thepinkestpigglet7529
    @thepinkestpigglet7529 3 місяці тому +5

    "Banished to the library" damn i would act out so fast

  • @TheUrbanLegend
    @TheUrbanLegend 3 місяці тому +29

    The post of the Bartender who had to immediately kick out a friendly seeming nazi comes to mind
    You let one in, he brings a friend, and then more, and suddenly you lost all your original community and you are now a nazi bar

  • @EnderGraff1
    @EnderGraff1 6 місяців тому +63

    Damn using the measurehead music, top notch

    • @betin731
      @betin731 3 місяці тому

      THE AUTHORITY OF THE **HAM SANDWICH RACE** IS WANING.

  • @justanothergamer7918
    @justanothergamer7918 4 місяці тому +12

    Kinda crazy hearing about a scene im in (black metal scene) be mentioned in a video essay. Good video! (Also i should note there is a lefty subset of the Black Metal scene and Varg did irreparable damage to the Black Metal scene as a whole, We are not all crazy weirdos lol)

  • @diamondmetal3062
    @diamondmetal3062 4 місяці тому +52

    It is always morally right to keep the alt-right out of your hobby. And funny too.

  • @AMbradfordfilms
    @AMbradfordfilms 4 місяці тому +15

    I remember being like 12 years old trying to learn Mageknight and the sweaty i was playing against kept making weird comments about my cheaply painted models. Like, disdainful of the assumed asian workers who painted them. He seemed really angry about how crappy they looked, I was so confused.
    Luckily for me I think i was too naive or just plain dumb, i didnt pick up on it, but I knew SOMETHING was off.

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne 2 місяці тому

      Nothing was off. They were poorly painted by asians, like he said.

  • @chaos_flower
    @chaos_flower 5 місяців тому +12

    This is very informative. I appreciate you putting this all together. Thank you.

  • @tamsinshakkir8580
    @tamsinshakkir8580 5 місяців тому +5

    Thanks for making this (and for posting links to your sources!).

  • @pwdempsey02
    @pwdempsey02 5 місяців тому +17

    Going into this video I thought it was going to be about various different board games made by the Alt-Right throughout recent history. I could not be more wrong. Very interesting though. I learned a lot, thanks.

  • @squadcar25
    @squadcar25 7 місяців тому +32

    Haven't finished the video (very interesting so far but it's hard to keep up with who is who lma) but before I forget, 18:02 hasn't Hasbro owned Wizards of the Coast since around 1999-2000?

  • @Gregsusername
    @Gregsusername 4 місяці тому +14

    not even that far in the video yet and i wanted to thank you for linking a video that explains the ideals and concepts of fascism. i hear that word thrown around so much and have never understood it so to me it feels like it's lost all meaning but to actually REALLY know what that word means and why it's used is going to be very helpful. Most of my life i've been told ADOLF HITLER AND XYZ are fascist but then that just kinda associates fascism with bad but cancer isn't fascist so actually knowing why it's bad is important to me

    • @w4terbucket
      @w4terbucket 3 місяці тому +2

      Maybe you shouldve spent more time learning and less time listening to what people want you to believe for their own goals

  • @paulwingert9993
    @paulwingert9993 3 місяці тому +4

    One thing that is important to add to the thrid reich, is that a lot of people also just had similar thoughts from the beginning, antisemitism was already very popular in society (all over the world actually), so yes, some got tricked, but some also just agreed with the ideology. This is something that gets highlighted in german school, for a good reason. It takes the opportunity away from people, to push the guilt towards the politicians, generals etc.

  • @jaredfortin6810
    @jaredfortin6810 3 місяці тому +12

    When people say "without the threat of cancelation" it's very VERY clear they mean "so o don't get reprocutions for my actions"

    • @w4terbucket
      @w4terbucket 3 місяці тому +6

      Repercussions*

    • @jaredfortin6810
      @jaredfortin6810 3 місяці тому +2

      @@w4terbucket thank you I thought I spelt it wrong and it wasn't auto correcting so I said fuck it lol

  • @alexandercandicedad1355
    @alexandercandicedad1355 5 місяців тому +6

    Based on the video I watched before this one; 31:12 this may be why the "call them weird" strategyseems to be working this election. It prevents them from reframing the conversation. The only thing you can say to that is, "I'm not weird and here's why", "I'm not weird, you're weird", or "I don't care what you think".
    Either way, or puts the.... "ducks" on defense and eliminates the ability to reframe.

  • @leperface
    @leperface 4 місяці тому +9

    You are not immune to propaganda.

    • @kudosbudo
      @kudosbudo 2 місяці тому

      but you can be if you stay vigilant

    • @leperface
      @leperface 2 місяці тому

      @@kudosbudo You are not immune to propaganda. (this message is propaganda lol)

  • @juiced012
    @juiced012 6 місяців тому +82

    Can we really call "alt-right" ideas "alt-right" anymore when the conservative mainstream has grown to embody those ideas?

    • @impishlyit9780
      @impishlyit9780 6 місяців тому

      I've never called it "alt-right." That was a term created to distance their beliefs from both neo-nazis (because everyone knows what a nazi is) and right-wing regressionists (because now you can just say someone else is alt-right on the news and boom, now you're a different group!)

    • @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer
      @Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer 6 місяців тому

      Alwayshasbeen.jpeg
      They were only created to stop the growing post-Iraq antiwar/intervention movement on the right. There's photos with its leaders hanging out with BushCo Bots. It was a Neocon false flag operation to retain control of the party after numerous disgraces and failures like Iraq/Afghanistan, or allowing Obama to pass the bailouts

    • @avgvstvs7851
      @avgvstvs7851 4 місяці тому

      Yeah man, pandering to blacks and mass green card shilling. Very alt right

  • @adelahogarth2761
    @adelahogarth2761 4 місяці тому +7

    I mean ... kind of messed up doing human experimentation like this without informed consent.
    It all sounds well and good, but the second you as a freaking teacher are creating reasons for kids to bully the hell out of other kids that scoff at such an experiment.. You'd think that'd be the moment where you as a person that has a duty of care would have stopped (and hopefully well beforehand).
    ... And then he didn't.
    You know there's been a hundred and one different experiments testing psychosocial aspects of authority that don't involve torturing unsuspecting kids. And that said experimentation can actually be informed, pose no risks to the participants, can actually have a reliable participant size, and actually identifies how these psychosocial mechanics work...
    He punished kids who *literally* did nothing wrong and *legitimately* had problems with them and their conduct as a teacher.
    And what excuse would he have given if one of the kids complained to the Department of Education (and arguably what they should have done once it got to this point)?
    And while often secondary to often the scars of emotional and psychosocial destruction of said students that suddenly turned on them (who, you know, might have been friends or may have exacerbated existing social capital deficits)--The fact that it lead to physical torture of students.
    Look, sure, interesting story (though it definitely doesn't class as a study)--But you also have to take into account the fact that the teacher has reasons to cover their proverbial butt, had reasons to simply chalk it up to historical accounts of fascism, and had reasons to possibly externalize the fact that he was an active confederate *and participant,* and not merely observing kids doing this, and that the sample size was literally his classroom.
    "Hey, look how easy it is for kids to be like fascists?"
    "Yeah, it's almost as if we're paying you to not do that--And yet you violated rule 1 of your conditions of employment and your duty of care. Thanks for the possible lawsuits and mentally scarring a whole bunch of our pupils."
    "Oh, do you think such a history lesson wouldn't pass an ethics board?"
    "If you need to ask ..."
    While it makes for poignant reading and assessment, I kind of wish people wouldn't valorize this type of gross negligence and abuse of power.

    • @slvaltva1392
      @slvaltva1392 4 місяці тому +1

      yeah like you can get in prison for this stuff, a teacher is literally meant to be responsible for the children at school instead of their parents, and of course, kids are more trusting toward a parental figure.

  • @sam_wilds
    @sam_wilds 4 місяці тому +13

    I ususally tune out the Parental Guidelines mandated by the FCC on TV shows (such as "TV-Y7", and "TV-MA"). It wasn't until about 51 minutes where I realized you had "YT-MA". Nice attention to detail
    Edit: Also, thank you for citing your sources. It seems like a low bar, but not everyone does

    • @Gaia_BentosZX5
      @Gaia_BentosZX5 4 місяці тому +4

      Not to mention he covered what has led up to this point. Especially since the dark side of roleplay is rarely covered in such an extreme manner. Two favorite tactics when faced with harsh critique is "deflect and project". While it was the bare minimum given the subject manner, I'm thankful he did give a TV-MA rating, a disclaimer, and cited his sources. Heavy topics like this shouldn't be taken lightly.

  • @Triple_R_93
    @Triple_R_93 6 місяців тому +37

    Amazing video, I had to drop early because it's a bit too heavy with my morning coffee, but seriously good video, I'll be back lol

  • @mk_gamíng0609
    @mk_gamíng0609 6 місяців тому +40

    Talking about far-right in table top
    Im going to share a quote from Arch warhammer
    "Keep poltics out of warhammer"
    Normally id agree with this
    But what does Arch actually mean ?
    He means Keep politics out of warhammer BUT mine
    And that is why I stopped watching him because after he said that, I connected the dots and realised that just maybe , all those Jewish jokes were not jokes but his actual opinion then his mods discord leaked and well turns out its full of scum and then he started being buddies with the far-right of British politics just to confirm it even further
    Oh and too people saying ignore them, good luck with that because these people make it their mission to let you know how they feel the only issue is that the setting can help mask it .

    • @Coconut-219
      @Coconut-219 6 місяців тому +3

      Reality is not subjective. Try again.

    • @roozbeh6999
      @roozbeh6999 5 місяців тому

      oh no he made jokes about our poor innocent jewish people ????!?!?!! what a heckin nazi !

    • @sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052
      @sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052 4 місяці тому +7

      People usually mean keep contemporary politics out of X. Look at old Star Trek, it was a political show, but instead of focusing on comparisons with contemporary politics, they instead distilled the idea down to a moral, ethical, philosophical question, and usually played both sides. It was done well, and done right, and there's a reason why it was successful and well liked as such. Warhammer is a good example of how not to do it, with Sargon of Akkad being immortalized in lore as a character now, because some writer disagrees with his political positions.
      I don't need a character appearing an announcing the values of free market and small government in a D&D campaign or Warhammer to feel good about myself, I'd rather see a functioning medieval society which I can immerse myself in.

    • @derkylos
      @derkylos 4 місяці тому +2

      It's the same energy as the people that say "I don't talk about politics". Why? Is it because you know your views are bad, and don't want to critique them? I am eager to examine and critique _all_ positions I hold, and can separate reality from fantasy, allowing me to roleplay as literal Nazis and still be, like "Nazis are bad, mkay?"

    • @fatspyro4630
      @fatspyro4630 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Coconut-219this is an anecdote from his own personal experience. if you go into a shop and the shopkeeper hides a specific item from you, does it mean it doesnt exist just because you don’t see it? your ignorance baffles me. try again.

  • @tamarap13
    @tamarap13 7 місяців тому +10

    At 1:05... is that Kirk Van Houten's Pictionary depiction of dignity?

    • @diamondmetal3062
      @diamondmetal3062 4 місяці тому

      Is that like Millhouse’s dad or something?

  • @Sudo_Nimh
    @Sudo_Nimh 2 роки тому +94

    Non-speech audio mix is a little hot and drowns you out, don’t know if this is because of UA-cam compression or what, but to hard to hear you with other audio that loud

    • @joeyj6808
      @joeyj6808 7 місяців тому +4

      what?

    • @Kastrounaras
      @Kastrounaras 7 місяців тому +9

      @@joeyj6808 music is too loud compared to the talking

    • @_JananaBanana
      @_JananaBanana 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Kastrounaraswhat?

    • @Kastrounaras
      @Kastrounaras 7 місяців тому +5

      @@_JananaBanana que?

    • @mr.wallflower7787
      @mr.wallflower7787 6 місяців тому +4

      @@Kastrounaras I don't think he can hear you; the music is too loud

  • @Altaranalt
    @Altaranalt 6 місяців тому +5

    5:50 woah, did not expect to hear the Hymn of The Faith in here.

  • @gaymiens
    @gaymiens 4 місяці тому +120

    all the whiny comments that start with "i stopped watching 5 minutes in!!" or "why did youtube recommend me this crap?!" always amuse me because. okay? you clicked on a video you knew you wouldn't like, barely made it past the introduction because your attention span is lower than a toddler's, and decided to boost snow's engagement by leaving 50 hate comments?? wow you're such a cool toughguy, so mature and edgy

    • @mariabasile9961
      @mariabasile9961 4 місяці тому +32

      Plus half of them being some variation of "long video! left leaning white guy! >:(" If they aren't bots, they certainly have a limited pool of responses.

    • @muppetry1
      @muppetry1 4 місяці тому +18

      They're actually dumb for interacting with this video because now those comments(whether positive or negative review) are giving the guy that they hate engagement

    • @gaymiens
      @gaymiens 4 місяці тому +13

      @@muppetry1 exactly- they wonder why they're being recommended it; it's because people like them keep engaging with it by leaving hate comments

    • @swifts6879
      @swifts6879 4 місяці тому +10

      On one hand I will say I broadly agree with OP and his points. I think being aware of certain people trying to take over spaces to recruit for far right extremist groups is important because it is more common than one may think.
      On the other hand, some of those biases can be seen in the OP himself, and it highlights a big problem with the “online left”. An obsession with virtual nonissues so unimportant that an hour long video is centred around a Reddit interaction where one of the people involved happened to be a fascist. The video is also badly structured, has some questionable editing decisions at times (video game OST being used over discussion of a real murder) and portrays OP in a light to be as unhinged as the people’s he’s batting against in ways.

    • @TeleportRush
      @TeleportRush 3 місяці тому +1

      To be fair I expected this to be a video mocking bad TTRPGs instead of drilling into the history of a few guys who got into TTRPGs to push their ideology. would have been more fun to get into how bad and out of touch they are in their RPG criticisms instead of making them out to be a serious danger. They're jokes and weirdos.

  • @62chipo
    @62chipo 4 місяці тому +146

    Reminder for Gamergate: that in the official FBI documents, the one notable death threat that was submitted is literally the navy seal copypasta.

    • @uvexar3634
      @uvexar3634 4 місяці тому

      it's very easy to repeat lies when they're comforting to your beliefs. Gamergate was a hate movement spread by Nazis and no-life losers on 4chan.

    • @Galdenberry_Lamphuck
      @Galdenberry_Lamphuck 3 місяці тому

      People don't send threats with the intention of carrying them out.

    • @Sina-dv1eg
      @Sina-dv1eg 3 місяці тому +12

      took me 2 minutes of googling to debunk this ridiculous lie

    • @w4terbucket
      @w4terbucket 3 місяці тому +2

      Stop being ridiculous

  • @MrJerichoPumpkin
    @MrJerichoPumpkin 2 місяці тому +12

    9:23 that is literally the most incredibly stupid thng I've ever read in my whole life.

    • @pannik_lucas
      @pannik_lucas 2 місяці тому +1

      Yes. On top of that, there's the classification of Trump as a fascist. Note that I don't like him, I don't consider him safe for democracy, and I'm not even an American. But to extend the use of the word in this way... sounds like something that would be functional for anyone who follows Karl Popper's misinterpreted warning about intolerance. In short, a Nazi isn't just someone who checks the requirements of the definition (which for nazi-fascism has been a complex academic enterprise). A Nazi is anything people want to believe about their opponents, because it's an adjective (and a horrible ideology) that is pejorative in and of itself. This very tactic was wielded by nazis against bolsheviks in their beginning. There are already plenty of adjectives appropiate for him. Far right, Alt Right, Nativist, Populist...

  • @JackTR21
    @JackTR21 6 місяців тому +16

    Using the Hymn of thw Fayth at the beginning there was absolutely chilling. Bravo

  • @bluewrayproductions
    @bluewrayproductions 4 місяці тому +4

    This seems pretty niche… I’m glad the algo knows me better than I know myself

  • @Daslikdj
    @Daslikdj 4 місяці тому +76

    Whenever I have a tabletop game of any kind, I ask everyone to sign a document that says "I do not hold Nazi Beliefs". My life and friend circle has improved considerably.

    • @edwinvanderhaeghen2221
      @edwinvanderhaeghen2221 4 місяці тому +8

      Better not have any anti-smokers at the table then.

    • @facenameple4604
      @facenameple4604 4 місяці тому +27

      @@edwinvanderhaeghen2221 Aaaand you're not being asked back to the group.

    • @Daslikdj
      @Daslikdj 4 місяці тому

      @@edwinvanderhaeghen2221 people_that_miss_the_point_of_the_excercise.txt

    • @balilla1923
      @balilla1923 3 місяці тому +3

      @@facenameple4604Genuine question, what do you consider nazi beliefs?

    • @facenameple4604
      @facenameple4604 3 місяці тому +9

      @@balilla1923 The fascist ones. You know, the same things that anyone not dogwhistling in favor of nazis would find weird.

  • @zZGzHD
    @zZGzHD 7 місяців тому +18

    Did you mean to include the same blog post twice at 12:23?

  • @disgoop
    @disgoop 7 місяців тому +19

    varg really wanted his dungeon synth vibes apparently

  • @tylerleeson3045
    @tylerleeson3045 6 місяців тому +4

    I wasn't expecting Hymn of the Fayth part way through, that caught me off guard.

  • @arrestedeffort
    @arrestedeffort 5 місяців тому +44

    I just checked the inside of my Player's Handbook for D&D 5th Edition and sure enough, RPGPundit is credited as a consultant. That's certainly a stain on 5th Edition, in my opinion.

  • @randomotaku5500
    @randomotaku5500 6 місяців тому +22

    I can’t find the “Nazis not Welcome” article for the life of me. Can’t find it in the links you’ve listed as well- anyone mind pointing me in the right direction?

    • @KT-pv3kl
      @KT-pv3kl 6 місяців тому +19

      probably long since purged from the internet because of negative feedback

    • @kjullthedemon
      @kjullthedemon 3 місяці тому

      @@KT-pv3kl 🤔 well that's awfully convenient, his sources just atomized. If things online got purged something as insignificant as "negative feedback" a LOT of things would be gone from the internet, that aren't.

    • @tiredspudguy6835
      @tiredspudguy6835 3 місяці тому +5

      @@kjullthedemonisn’t it inconvenient, though?

    • @Javierm0n0
      @Javierm0n0 3 місяці тому

      try wayback machine

  • @nobodyimportant6582
    @nobodyimportant6582 4 місяці тому +32

    The rise in the alt-right is also the lowering of creativity. When you obsess over making people fit into certain boxes, you can't think outside of them.

    • @w4terbucket
      @w4terbucket 3 місяці тому +4

      Its actually opposite when the fantasy starts being taken out of fantasy

  • @Zuginator
    @Zuginator 2 місяці тому +2

    The most recent Republican President I have a respect for is Dwight D. Eisenhower. Because he killed Nazis instead of wanting their vote.

  • @carlolson20
    @carlolson20 2 роки тому +10

    I didn't know Tarnowski sounds like that.
    huh . . .

  • @Peadeymclovin
    @Peadeymclovin 6 місяців тому +23

    I lived with some "tradcath" types a few years ago, and let me tell you, they love these table top games.

    • @Canukles
      @Canukles 6 місяців тому +26

      They love RPGs which allow them to live out their tradcath fantasies. The type of person that insistently only plays male human warriors or paladins in worlds with many other options. They love the idea of being a holy warrior literally. I think it's part of why the Warhammer community has gone to shit. They reduce these realms to nothing but vehicles for wish fulfillment, conveniently trivializing or letting the blatant depravity of these settings wash over them.

    • @NotoriousTim
      @NotoriousTim 6 місяців тому +6

      @@Canukles I mean, I'm an atheist and I love playing male human warriors or paladins in fantasy settings. I like being a more mundane or righteous character in a world of mysticism and magic.

    • @Canukles
      @Canukles 6 місяців тому +12

      @@NotoriousTim Oh I am and do too, I'm not advocating any sort of stereotyping of these perfectly valid character roles. There people who play these things to actually explore a character legitimately or enjoy a more low-fantasy character, but I think there is a not insignificant disproportionate number who use them as a vehicle for trad wish fulfillment and almost never play anything else (except maybe dwarves, because they've been stereotyped to fetishize tradition, bigotry, crassness, and alcoholism) mostly they're obsessed with conservative values.
      This is all anecdotal of course, it's not as if it's an easy thing to survey, but I can tell you with my almost two decades of RP experience that most people want to RP themselves at first, and many people do not grow from there (maybe an occasional one-off character, usually a meme). The proportion of things I see and hear from them out of character handily reinforce this to me. There is a reason communities for 40k Kriegers and Scarlets in Warcraft have such bad stereotypes.

    • @NotoriousTim
      @NotoriousTim 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Canukles I see what you mean, I probably just have good luck in my groups because everyone I've played with doesn't really fall on that side of the political spectrum. I don't mind conservatives or anything and when it comes to games like warhammer there is definitely an element of people that do sort of idolize that kind of zealotry or bigotry. Being a racist dwarf is pretty fun though.

    • @pach6678
      @pach6678 5 місяців тому +20

      @@Canukles God forbid players of role playing games role play characters they like

  • @hovienko
    @hovienko 6 місяців тому +16

    kind of fucking my brain that the subtitles are different from the voiceover

  • @Gormbauer
    @Gormbauer 4 місяці тому +2

    Great video! Glad to discover a new channel!

  • @squidgig
    @squidgig 6 місяців тому +22

    I was pleasantly surprised when I heard the Disco Elysium soundtrack! Excellent vid btw

  • @orsyz
    @orsyz 6 місяців тому +9

    Whats the music at 8:42 ?

    • @moustachedmamba3589
      @moustachedmamba3589 6 місяців тому +5

      I believe it's "Nazi Punks, Gtfo" from Wolfenstein: The New Colossus OST.

  • @animuswonder
    @animuswonder 4 місяці тому +5

    hey just wanted to let you know the captions on this are a bit broken!

  • @IroquoisPliskin86
    @IroquoisPliskin86 5 місяців тому +1

    I wasn't expecting this video to go to the early 90's Norwegian death metal scene.

  • @Glitter_H_Hoof
    @Glitter_H_Hoof 4 місяці тому +6

    wait where's the tabletop games

  • @Thannak
    @Thannak 5 місяців тому +14

    I was kinda hoping you’d talk about Warhammer a bit.

    • @mrsteamie4196
      @mrsteamie4196 4 місяці тому +8

      Yeah, I am just getting into it because I think it's neato but some of the guys there really... Give me some pause

    • @tiredspudguy6835
      @tiredspudguy6835 3 місяці тому +3

      @@mrsteamie4196 Especially the goobers in comment sections for some cutscene videos for Space Marine 2 complaining about black and Asian Ultramarines. Like SHEEEEESH chill out.

  • @pierrotnasse
    @pierrotnasse 6 місяців тому +15

    i'm not sure why the algorithm Did The Funny with this 2 yo video (maybe it was the now-aging-but-still-recent WarHammer 40K Adeptus Custodes female "controversy")
    but i'm very glad to be here, 20 min in into the video
    also, congrats on transition

  • @Fhuul
    @Fhuul 5 місяців тому +2

    200k views on a video about rpgpundit, what a time to be alive

    • @e4arakon
      @e4arakon 3 місяці тому +1

      tbf I don't know who rpgpundit is, all I know is Tabletop good, fascists bad

  • @joze838
    @joze838 4 місяці тому +17

    9:30 That's a logical fallasy. Not every idea Nazis had actually relates to their ideology AND you could have the same opinion on a particular topic (unrelated to race theories and nationalism) as a Nazi for different reasons. This does not make you a Nazi.
    E.g. you are not Nazi for being a vegetarian, just because Hitler was a Nazi.

    • @joze838
      @joze838 4 місяці тому +4

      (...and a vegetarian)

    • @dkcsi9256
      @dkcsi9256 4 місяці тому +1

      What numbnut told you Vegetarianism is a “Nazi idea”?
      They didn’t come up with, nor did they popularize it as part of their movement lmfao.
      The only “fallacy” is that you conflated “Nazi ideas, ideas integral to the nazi movement” with “any random Ideas that Nazi’s have that are completely unrelated to Nazis”.

    • @jamesackerman8914
      @jamesackerman8914 4 місяці тому +2

      It's mainly related to the main ideological beliefs of people on the far right. People like Nick Fuentes will absolutely play dumb when you press them on their wacky beliefs

    • @Arrestedrabbit
      @Arrestedrabbit 4 місяці тому

      ​@@jamesackerman8914silly example everyone knows he gets evasive because he's a fed like that one blonde "alt right" guy whose name escapes me. Spencer something I think?

    • @Gabefalconb
      @Gabefalconb 3 місяці тому

      Nobody is confusing vegetarians with Nazis. But when a particular group starts obfuscating the line between what “defines” being a neo-Nazi, a broader brush hurts zero innocent bystanders.
      You don’t “accidentally” start denying the Holocaust.

  • @ChaosMieter
    @ChaosMieter 4 місяці тому +5

    this might be the best opening 5 minutes of a yt video ever

  • @theoldbore6835
    @theoldbore6835 5 місяців тому +9

    wanted to say thank you for this, and no hate whatsoever :) anyone that does give you a little hate was likely to busy quacking like a duck to take a moment to think ;)

  • @cheesi
    @cheesi 4 місяці тому +3

    What's that song playing at the end? The one before the credits section, the little acousic one. I KNOW I've heard it before but I just can't place it!!

    • @apigeon4192
      @apigeon4192 4 місяці тому

      It's from the PS2 game ICO.

  • @JakubWojciechowski933
    @JakubWojciechowski933 5 місяців тому +18

    I have expected some quirky video about weird-ass rpgs, I got some anti-alt-right manifesto. I'm confused

    • @EddieNoon
      @EddieNoon 4 місяці тому +9

      What? You don't like Nazi haters?
      That's a little strange...

    • @JakubWojciechowski933
      @JakubWojciechowski933 4 місяці тому +4

      @@EddieNoon That's not what I said, stop putting words in my mouth.
      I said I have expected a funny video about weird rpgs, but I have something else instead. Everything else is your interpretation

    • @EddieNoon
      @EddieNoon 4 місяці тому +13

      @JakubWojciechowski933 Saying that you got "some anti-alt-right manifesto" may imply you disagree with that message. Or, I'll admit I may have jumped to conclusions, can never be too careful with how many nazis are in this comment section.

    • @haroldbalzac6336
      @haroldbalzac6336 4 місяці тому +2

      @@EddieNoon Oh, yeah, you really got to watch your back around here. Nazis around every corner of this comment section. Stay safe.

    • @oc8636
      @oc8636 3 місяці тому +3

      @@EddieNoon ​ @haroldbalzac6336 Soviet Union ass conversation lol.

  • @guicaldo7164
    @guicaldo7164 3 роки тому +15

    What's the song at 8:42? Sounds dope!

    • @snowttrpg
      @snowttrpg  3 роки тому +26

      Nazi Punks, GTFO from Wolfenstein

  • @tenfivesmiths7802
    @tenfivesmiths7802 6 місяців тому +3

    31:52 what is that laugh! What is it?? It's from an anime?? WHAT IS IT???

  • @psykodactyle
    @psykodactyle 6 місяців тому +19

    Why is Vinesauce Joel in the thumbnail for a video about the alt-right????? 😭😭😭😭

    • @Spencer_W
      @Spencer_W 6 місяців тому +11

      That's Varg, not Vargskelethor.
      It's his evil twin from Norway, as we all know.

    • @diamondmetal3062
      @diamondmetal3062 4 місяці тому +3

      Different Varg. That is not Joey, that’s a guy who actually murdered one of his band mates.