War Thunder's new HOTAS by HORI, First Impressions & Unboxing
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2023
- In partnership with Gaijin Entertainment, A Japanese peripheral company HORI, Has made a HOTAS Flight Control System & Mount for PC - It has some unique features and Mounting options for realistic play-style. Including split throttle, over 61 buttons to program. And a dual stage trigger. This thing costs $499.99 MSRP.
Thanks to HORI, for sending out this Hotas for a review.
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I like how brutally honest this review was despite having received the product for free
i was gonna say that
that's....... that's how review units work.
@@sk8er100100 yeah but usually people would try and "soften" their words when it comes to criticism and this guy didn't hold much back.
@@dankmemewalker7738 I watch a whole hell of a lot of tech reviewers and I don't think large channels can get away with that tbh... Just look at the recent ltt controversy.
Ah good, its utter shit just lke literally anyone who heard Warthunder were making a Hotas knew, thanks you saved me over 7 mins
Wait... 500 USD? This thing looks to be of worse quality than my Thrustmaster T.16000M that I bought for less than 100 EUR.
The thrust master is lovely
I bought mine for 40€ each. No better value than that joystick.
Do U play w/ joystick?
Didn't know 5 year olds can have 100 Euro.. also hi walvis
You could get a Winwing HOTAS for $500...
FFS I thought it was a new Ho-Ri tank when I saw the notification
If you want a hotas for warthunder this really isn’t a good choice. I would recommend something cheap like a thrustmaster T flight hotas X. If you want something of more quality get something from WinWing, virpil or a gladiator nxt
If you reach the point of using premium systems such as winwing, virpil, etc then you really should be doing more than WT lol
@@lluvik2450 theres not many games that you could use all that for, is there?? i only know of flight sim or dcs, and a few singleplayer plane specific games off steam
I have been recommending this exact Hotas for people during Sim games for the last 3 years and ive never changed it, or needed to replace it, 8/10
Virpil and those others are too much for warthunder, if you want something with more buttons go with vkb
Gladiator NXT is insane value for the price if you want a premium stick.
everybody recommends the T16000 for general flight use, and even as an infrequent user of sim and the joystick itself I can say it was well worth it. the price is very reasonable; I bought it originally for elite dangerous but it works wonderfully for war thunder and even dcs without any major problems. the twist axis even works great if you don’t have the pedals.
T.16k/m has good first impression quality but it has extremely bad longetivity except on the hall effect axis (which is superb, if you just lazily want hall effect sensors, this stick is fine). I looked up the failure rate and on average it has a first part failure of only 9 months. Mine started showing quality issues at a mere 5 months
edit: I probably should clarify what went wrong:
* I've only used the hatswitch maybe less than 100 clicks in total because my thumb just straight up doesn't reach it (asian hand size problems) and it was pretty much the first part to have input failure problems. As a result I've always kept my hatswitch bound controls double bound on my keyboard. I thought the logitech 3d pro was bad but at least I could access the buttons on that one and the issue wasnt so much the buttons themselves but rather the way the buttons were mounted to the motherboard which started bending after time - Not in the case of the T.16k/m: It just straight up fails to register inputs.
* The potentiometers and hall effect sensors are excellently auto-calibrated by the drivers. On each first startup, keep the stick centred. Upon entering the game, just throw the stick and all axis across to the limits and recenter where applicable. DO NOT USE WINDOWS CALIBRATION. Anyway because of this they work very well, however the potentiometer itself in the twist axis is unbelievably unreliable. A bit of skipping is normal found on most sticks such as the throttle slider, but the twist axis has very dirty false input problems that can cause you to crash because it just goes full ham right rudder, left rudder on semi-random occasions. I legit unbound it and went for keyboard rudder because it was that much of a hassle.
* Buttons on the top of the stick are really smushy and some of them quickly lose their "click" feel typical of membrane buttons from wear and tear.
* Base buttons are nice if you're flying exclusively on stick but for me I prefer keyboard controls so they're useless af. I'd rather have more buttons on the stick itself.
* Stick base has some pretty decent lubrication but you need to avoid stuff falling into the base otherwise they'll... get sticky. It's a pretty large opening and isn't covered by a rubber shield of any kind which is good if you're in a clean environment but can be annoying to have to maintain otherwise. Just keep that in mind
@@ZdrytchX Never had any issues with my full t16000m setup in 5 years.
I've had mine for close to 7 years it's never let me down.it's held up better than even my logitech 3d pro.
And for the t16000m the throttle sliders are garbage but corehawk3d on etsy makes great replacements for these and allows you to mod with magnetic indents for percentage points and gives you choices in bearings instead of the vanilla plastic on rod setup thrustmaster made, as for the stick if anything gets into the base it makes it crunchy and sticky unfortunately and will require cleaning and some nyogel to keep it lubed
I bought the same one for elite dangerous! then I did the bearing mod on the thruster and that reallly changed the quality overall.
for 500 Dollars you can get a VKB stick and throttle which will absolutely demolish this thing in every quality metric. Pay a little more for the Upgraded version of the Stecs (under 600 total) and you can have the STECS with the throttle detents and even more buttons. Just two VKB sticks (1 normal and 1 omni throttle) would be the most flexible set up for both warthunder and a bunch of other games like star citizen.
you can even get a thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle!
@@michagysin3082 the thrustmaster warthog is in no way competetive anymore, the vkb gladiator is better in every way while also being cheaper
@@damomo8040 ever saw all those stick addons like the fa18 or f16 stick? and if you really want the best for the money just get a winwing orion 2 pack, where you also get the throttle for 500 bucks.
Yeah, if you play space sims I think twin VKB gladiator NXT EVO with an omni adaptor for your off hand is by far the best option on the market.
Due to features like adjustable springs, axis locks and a dry clutch which you usually only find on top end sticks, you can turn the omni stick into a proper throttle in less than a minute, or your main stick into a cyclic for a helicopter.
I just don't see what this thing brings to the market that let's it compete at that price.
VKB makes absolutely the finest sim controls for the money and i was thrilled to give them a not small amount of money to support their company. not just the products themselves, but they also come with customizability options that no one else does.
For 500 dollars id expect a cam system instead of a cheaper gimbal on the stick.
and some head
😭@@filonin2
If you want a good hotas for 500 USD, get a winwing orion 2 combo for ~500USD. It doesn't come with mounting brackets but it is fully metal
Or VKB STECS Throttle Mini + NXT EVO Joystick for 335 USD, then you still have budget to get some cheap rudder pedals.
$500 and Plastic shouldn't be in the same sentence!
You missed an opportunity when you asked: "What's in the box?" to cut to your cat being in a box :D Very cute cat indeed!
So, warthunder joystick is like warthunder itself. Overall okay, but has some noticeable flaws and bit overpriced like wt prems)
Man, for 500 bucks this seems rough considering the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO + VKB Stecs Mini Plus is $354 USD and those are much better even if you consider the fact this comes with desk mounts the equivalent VKB mounts are $208 so all in $562 for a much better product. Quality wise this looks like it competes with the T16000m or Logitech X56 and if this whole setup was closer to $250 it would be a good deal. Especially if you are doing somewhat casual use, the desk mounts seem a bit much. If you went for VKB Stecs Standard + VKB Gladiator NXT EVO, and no desk mounts you'd be looking at $414 all in and a much more practical setup (both the stick and throttle plug in at the back so you can unplug them move them off your desk without having to go behind your computer). I have this combo and the adjustable detents are great too, because once you set up the profiles you can swap between them with a button on the base. Some have also mentioned Winwing offerings in this price range that also certainly destroy this thing in quality.
Worth noting you can get much cheaper third party mounts comparable to the ones that come with this thing if you want to save some money too.
$500 is a deal breaker for me... there are similar products for half that. I haven't looked inside this thing obviously but I don't see how that price could possibly be justified. I can even get the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS cheaper than that.
By the looks of it the throttle has the exact same button layout as the thrustmaster twcs throttle.
I noticed that, as well.
Happy New Year Ash, I hope 2024 is a good one for you and that things get sorted and back on an even keel. I think the best bargain here was the box for the cat, they love their boxes !! You take care and stay safe.
I actually like the throttle (looks better quality than the stick, at a first look it has all the buttons, hats and features I need), if that will be available separately for less than 200 I think I will get one eventually.
I feel the same way I'm happy with my current stick but like the switchboard that is attached to the throttle and would buy that ad standalone if available
Having had owned the Thrustmaster T.16000 throttle and now the Thrustmaster Warthog throttle, those kinds of sliding throttles get bad stiction usually. Having one with throw, so the throttle handles are on a stick that rotates around an axis, makes the throttle so much smoother and nicer to use precisely. Just an idea to look at non-sliding throttle alternatives.
honestly for $200 you should look at the VKB STECS. for sure better than this cheap garbage, with customizable options should you need more hardware later.
That was my first thought - the stick looks like ass. The throttle is worlds better in appearance.
@@Past10Performanceyeah, same here - if available by itself, I'd buy the throttle in a heartbeat.
Looks like my old X-52 hotas, god that thing was a nightmare of quality control
Yeah just like a Derivate of the bloddy x52 thing. Felt good seeing it in the trash!
Very similar to my X56. Hopefully the stick itself isnt as huge as the x56, which is the only problem I had with it, considering that i dont have big hands. All those buttons are a MUST if you want to play high tier jets. For prop planes a basic hotas is more than enough, but for jets you need all those keybinds.
I would buy this if it were less than $200 or probably even $150 max.
I mean even then 70 more bucks and you can get a pair of vkb’s
If you're playing Tekken or Virtual-On cheap as possible sure drop $150 on these, otherwise just, I don't know, you can pick up a $15 keyboard even. The combination of Hori and flightsim within a same line is just meh nope not even a meaningful piece of text let alone $500
Great review.
I had seen this..... and was waiting for people to review it. :)
WTF why is Gaijin sponsoring such a complicated HOTAS when they don't care about Sim players and ignore all critiques and requests?
hotas is good for realistic too
@@onlyhereformoney175 Did they fix the terrible wobble when using a flight stick in realistic? I felt like I spent more time fighting the instructor than flying the plane, which is a shame because I love using a flight stick in these sorts of games.
@@OnboardG1If you have the controls set to full mode you won't be fighting the instructor
@@onlyhereformoney175 No way in hell I'd use a HOTAS in RB. You'll be at a serious disadvantage.
...you can just turn off the instructor? like not even set to full mode you can just turn it off@@OnboardG1
Oooofff that flightstick looks like it’s cup and ball. Basically means it won’t last as long
Agreed, you would think they would have made it something better. I don’t really see how this would be better than a T1600 throttle for 130 and a VKB gladiator for 175 and they by a mount system. Mount system is the only thing I’m impressed by on this
@@BrockvsTV it looks waaaay worse then a gladiator, and even the looknof the switches makes me question if it even can compare to the thrustmaster twcs
Nice change of pace in content 👍
Happy New- to you, too!
thanks for the review.
Amazing from HORI, which i did think they could pull this off at all.
also amazing you got war thunder recognise hotas.
I gave up on it some time ago when it just want mouse...
For that much money in current market even TM Warthog looks like a perfect deal.
Thankyou very much indeed for a fair and honest review with both highs and lows
Apparently works for ps5
For background, I started with the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro (at least post year 2000, had a couple others back in the 90's), upgraded to a T.16000m HOTAS and I just bought the VKB NXT Evo with their STECs Max setup. I had mounts already given to me as a Christmas gift a couple years back, I think those ran $60 for a set of two. For price comparison, the first is about $40 new, the second runs... I think around $170 new, and I paid around $560 for the VKB setup (though admittedly $80 of that was shipping from China to the eastern US). I used to play WarThunder a ton (started when it was only planes, then played a lot when they added ground forces, but haven't played too much since they added ships), now I focus mostly on DCS, MSFS, Elite Dangerous, and IL2.
Just from looking at this HOTAS within the video, there's no reason to drop $500 on this. The stick looks clunky and sounds like it doesn't actually work particularly well. On top of poor choices in the types of buttons, it's a ball and socket stick which isn't going to feel any better than other cheaper options. The VKB NXT Evo by itself is around $170, and is an amazing stick that uses springs in a pincer style, with magnetic sensors, and has clutches to set the friction. The T16000m is a good stick, but those don't have particularly long life spans (the Z-axis fails a lot, which is what pushed me to upgrade)... It's also a ball and socket, but significantly cheaper than this. The throttle on the T16000m is adequate and works similar to this one, it's just not a split throttle. That being said, one of the things I hated about it is that it's straight foward and back on rails, which sticks a little even if you keep it lubed up. The STECs throttle through VKB is one of the best investments I've ever made in PC hardware, it feels that good to use. And with the Max addons, there are so many buttons that I can almost use the throttle system alone to fly in MSFS using autopilot functions I've programmed in.
If you're going to spend $500, go with a premium VKB stick and either the STECs Standard or the STECs Max throttle. For around $400 you could get the standard stick and a STECs mini which is around the same functionality the HORI is shooting for here, and then get a $50-$60 set of mounting brackets. If you want to sacrifice quality to save money, go with the T16000m, just know that you'll either need to repair or replace the stick within about a year or so, or buy foot pedals for Z-axes control and disable it on the stick.
A desk mount is all i needed to make my Thrustmaster T16000M viable for daily use.
Time to dust off the 3d printer, table saw and drill!
I get the impression most of the cost is via the branding and the fact that the company itself didn't build a whole lot of the sticks to begin with, expecting it to be the niche product that it'll likely be. I really like that it comes with its own mounting system, and that by itself is a good chunk of the cost more than likely. I might as well just pick up an X56 for half the cost and its own mounting system then end up paying less still. Or maybe wait for a Second generation production run of this HOTAS (if it makes it that far) as there seems to be issues without out of the box.
Think I'll stick with my VPC WrBRD setup
Damn i was hoping it would be priced more at 300-350 for the kit. For $500 i'm getting a VKB or Winwing.... For $160 you can get a good stick and just use keyboard buttons for the rest
Nice how it comes with the mounts (although I guess not everyone wants them). I had a CH Products Pro Throttle which slide like those throttles do. I prefer ones that moves with a curve I think. Also could maybe have a few more buttons on the throttle.
Thanks for the review Ash, I think for the price point it looks like the joystick still uses ball gimbals as opposed to other manufacturers which use springs so longevity on this might not be the best.
The throttle is almost if not identical to the t16k throttle, of with some differences. Better off with a T16k kit or some virpil, etc
I for one always appreciate brutal honestly when it comes to reviews. I also love cats , and that's a handsome guy you've got there
I can't imagine what this would look like with vr as well, you should try that
happy new year mate
Same to you!
A couple weeks ago I bought the Winwing Orion2 set (f16EX stick, F18 dual throttle) for 350 euro. The price of this set is ehm lets say "significant", especially in comparison to the winwing sets that are (as far as I can say with my limited experience at the moment) excellent. I assume you pay quite a premium for the WT logo?
I have played a handful of sim battles in the JAS-39 with the T16000M HOTAS, their handling is quite good but I cant use the HMD to its best degree. Honestly, if something works for DCS or BMS falcon it should work perfectly fine for war thunder sim.
Bruh, $500? You can buy a Winwing HOTAS or a full VKB set for the same money!!
Is it actually possible to use the split throttles for separate engine control or have they still completely neglected that with their own purpose built equipment?
Happy New!
From what I've got from this video my opinion is this, for new players just get the T1600 bundle from Thrustmaster and for more experienced players who really only only spend this kind of money on a throttle and joystick for the better quality/ more realistic feel/ features just stick to whatever you were going to get originally then this.
I love the brutally honest review. But 500 dollars is a little steep for a plastic HOTAS. Even with the mount. Although that does make it more bearable
Important to note that metal doesn't mean quality. I agree that this stick seems over priced, but a high quality plastic can last longer and be more hard wearing than a low quality metal. The VKB gladiators are plastic yet highly rated and will blow any metal sticks at that price range of the water when it comes to quality and durability.
For decent metal sticks you're looking at a virpil for around $250 just for the stick, no base or throttle (their cheapest base is over $200 and decent throttles are at least $250 with theirs costing $350)
Happy New Year! Hope 2024 will be better. And that you will reach 100K subs.
+ Cat needs a fortress made out of boxes :)
Honesty and modesty best combo for a review !
For $444 USD (Pre Tax/Shipping) - Currently in my cart on VKB's website I have my current VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Stick & my STECS Standard Throttle - an insanely higher quality HOTAS setup. I've actually had two VKB sticks for space flight sims for almost 3 years and they work like new. Just recently got into flight sims with the STECS Standard Throttle and VKB rudder pedals I picked up.
The HORI Hotas could be a great fresh face & contender in the budget hotas market maybe around a $200-275 range (at best) but at $500 it's absolutely insane to even consider it next to so many other options. Even the good ol' X52 is a way better value.
After your review, at this price point, I would seriously consider VKB first. I use VKB duel Gladiator NXT's and I love them.
Gladiator nxt was my second stick and I was so amazed at how good it was I bought a gunfighter like 2 months after. Virpil throttle and vkb gunfighter is the best combo I’ve ever used.
pink trigger is usually a brake leaver (early brittish and pretty much all russian aircraft worked like this), did you check if it was actually a graduated leaver and not a binary switch?
On western aircraft it's usually autopilot disconnect/override/emergency disconnect of all flight control automation in older aircraft. So this differs from place to place
For $500 go for an Winwing Orion 2 or Warthog.
The cat was the highlight of the video 😺
Other than the HORI-ble price point. Great review, will stay tuned.
That throotle is just the thrustmaster twcs. This whole hotas looks like the x56 mixed with the t.16000m hotas.
Fun fact, after buying an x55 I find out split throttles cannot be mapped in game because of gaijins coding (just like no independent flares or chaff) yay
You can, its just really involved and takes multiple steps, not as simple as mapping both throttle sides and splitting them. Its really not doable in combat in game, but for free flying and doing aerial tricks its possible.
very nice cat review
Thank you!
I play DCS a lot with my Hotas, Have never bothered to set it up for Warthunder yet. Worth it you think ?
If my 15 year old 2nd hand X52 is anything to go off of then my next HOTAS will be an X56, 2x the price for some flimsy looking buttons doesn't seem like it to me.
happy new year folks
Does anyone know where you can find this like even if its just something talkin about it and not released yet?
Good review. I will keep my X56
Your cat looks very cute and fluffy
0:03 you earned the like. No need for the rest of the video. But ill watch it all the way through anyways. 👍
if there is any stick that i would recommend, it would be the vkb nxt
if this means what I think it does, I cannot wait for Ash sim videos
I already have another joystick, going to compare them for the final review.
@@Ash007YT what other hotas are you going to campare it to?
The only thing is that the mounts come with it; mounts alone can cost more than entry level HOTAS. Overall though it looks like I'd avoid this and either go with a cheaper desk mounted system for a first stick or just stump up the extra for mounting a better system. for $500 you're comfortably into Warthog territory and although the twist option and throttle rudder buttons are neat, it basically falls short in pretty much every way otherwise.
For that price, there are several better options out there for the same price or less. the thrustmaster T16000 and logitech X56 both cost around half the price. Winwing and the tm warthog are both options for the same price and are made much better.
you can get an F18 replica sitck and throttle for less than that over winwing. All metal. And this looks like a toy compared to that.
I NEED TO KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND MORE BENTLEY CONTENT NOW
They really mean it when they say this joystick is meant for war thunder players. Getting scammed is just one part of playing WT.
But yeah just recently got into DCS, was able to successfully land my first attempt on a carrier with the F18, and I use the thrust master and it’s good.
But this thing isn’t worth 500$. Maybe at 250 it could be fine but the only good thing I see is the throttle. Joystick just looks off
Can’t you get the warthog flight stick and throttle for $500? I don’t understand the reason behind this
I feel like for 500 usd i'd get the a10 themed flight stick but im looking forward to the indepth review this stick does look like it has alot of features also does anyone know if its impossible to play with a flight stick with a vr headset on or do you just need to memorize where all the buttons and stuff are?
There's a tool called Reality Mixer that lets your project your real controls into VR
If a flight stick is well laid out and has full hotas (so you don't have any buttons on a keyboard) then it's fine using them with VR. You'll get used to where the buttons are some they should mostly be within reach of your fingers without taking your hands off the sticks meaning you have a point of reference.
Personally though, at this price I'd look at VKB or Winwing. Better quality, more features and more experience with flight sticks.
@@MrEsphoenix ah ok ill check those ones out i think im going to get a flight stick here soon i heard a bit about winwings so i might get one of those
Does anyone know if Hori will launch a version of this joystick for PS5?
For $500 you can get a A-10 model flight controls with better quality
I never thought this would become a real thing, but this is great.
Is a stick that’s barely worth 200 going for 500 great?
@@gregc9344 The Idea is great not the price.
I think I'd rather pop out the extra 100 and get the warthog or go cheap and snatch the x-55. I agree the mounting system makes up most of it's value, if I wanted to go top dollar I might go for VKB(I think). If they sell them seperate I'd probably consider the mounting system. But doesn't seem worth the cost to me. By itself I'd consider it for about $300-$350 range.
How in the hell would you even go about mapping all your controls with thrust control and joystick? Like switching between missles, flaps, locking radar ect. Like how?
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Can’t use it on console though right?
Where’s the bias button?
Does it have Force Feedback?
Looks like what could have been a Saitek X-55 v2
Odd that war thunder would choose Hori for the offical Hotas could of had thrustmaster make something equivalent to the warthog and change the same price
Might aswell play dcs at this point
for that price just get an x56 or a warthog hotas + rudder peddals
0:55 this is not Hori's first HOTAS, they have been producing HOTAS since 2004 at least
Which is why I specifically said proper go at a hotas. Because this new product is targeting the higher end market. The older product is not the same as this one.
@@Ash007YT Fair. Though I wouldn't say the older models weren't a proper go at a HOTAS. They are still solid HOTAS, just not high end.
Can we get a dedicated video of you cat? He looks so cute and fluffy
ill stick to virpil and vkb, i dont think they have anything to worry about
I am not sure if 500 dollars setup is meant to be just... "Okay!" xD
CUP AND BALL MOUNT DETECTED
I would die for Bentley
"We have the Thrustmaster Warthog at home" Is what I see just by looking at this thing.
Even the Thrustmaster Warthog is showing its age now, Winwing Orion 2 has superseeded it as better recreation of the actual controls in the A10 as well as being much higher quality for only a marginal bump in price. This thing on the otherhand is absolutely disgusting for 500, I would be hard pressed to pay 200 or 150 for it.
@gregc9344 Honestly, I'm behind on my HOTAS knowledge, and I don't have super deep pockets. I just mentioned the Warthog because it's one of the most recognizable ones out there, and I just recently got one. I will agree there are better HOTAS out there.
@@ViperPilot16 You are right it's probably the most recognisable and it has been the longest reining champion of flight sticks during its time but now we have things like double cam pivot with adjustable clutches which are more accurate, longer lasting, smoother motion, customisable tension profile.
I don't have one myself but I've used a friends Virpil setup and the difference is almost incomparable
Lovely LTT screwdriver
I honestly think the price point is abit too much I can buy what ive got now a X56 logitech for 350AUD which has way more buttons on the joystick and all round isnt that much different, also cute cat :D
This looks insanely cheap and toy-like for $500. You can get a really nice VKB setup or the new Turtle Beach VelocityOne coming out in the next week for less money. Both of which look MUCH better in quality.
LTT screwdriver? amazing xd
hori is decent not terrible but decent, let me know if you check out a set from syma
for $500 I could get a gladiator NXT and STECS and still have money leftover
Yeah.... About what I would expect from a War Thunder Official product. I'll just keep watching for Virpil sales
No flight pedals?
No flight pedals at all.
More excited about the cat content than for the HOTAS