@@ianneilson8684 I definitely agree, it was a mistake that made the world feel unimportant. You'd just fly to wherever you needed to go and get it done really quick, there used to be some level of adventure in running past mobs and potentially having to engage in world pvp along the way. After flying, you never really had to worry about world pvp again which sounds ok on paper for some but really takes away a lot of the adventure in the game.
@DoctorClockwork It enhanced wpvp. You could seek out and stalk your prey instead of waiting around quest hubs. And don't blame flying for Blizzard cutting corners on terrain design, blame the Timeless Isle. Look at WoD even, same shit we have now and it wasn't going to have flying at all!
This makes me tear up. The glory days are gone... And gaming companies and the gaming scene are not the same anymore. I really hope Mike Morhaime brings it back with his new company!
Glory days are gone, but funny thing is that people don't remember how many were complaining during wotlk and cata but people are forgeting about that so they can spit on what is currently happening, ppl always were complaining and will, that is in us.
J. Allen Brack is like a limp noodle...and Ion is kinda lame too. Alex Afrasiabi was okayish. Brackenstein is more of a corporate shill type so he'll sell out the franchise's quality to appease his masters. For years MMOs talked about what would be the next WoW killer....I said years ago...Only WoW will kill WoW.
@@11123fsd And you can look at the game and list every developer, artist, and producer by name and tell me they don’t have passion for the game? Go ahead, I’ll even give you 24 hours to list them. Don’t be a child and flex negativity on an entire team you don’t even know. Ignorant brat.
It was glorious, especially compared to how things are now. But truthfully, even the talk of cata felt like things were about to decline. It was bittersweet, because new challenges were coming but ‘authentic’ wow felt like it was going away
Man, I remember SEEING this as the news broke...the excitement was absolutely unmatched. Forget anything you think you know about hype-trains - nothing comes close to this. The prospect of expanding Azeroth, a world that already felt so immensely vast and so full of mystery and lore that you were still only scratching the surface of it even after several years. I know rose-tinted goggles are a thing, but good God - gaming pre-2010's was just a non-stop rollercoaster man.
I was watching the announcement with a friend while we were sitting by his toaster of a pc. He bought a blizzconline ticket (think it was the first time they did such a thing?) and we both sort of crapped our pants from the excitement of a whole new world to discover! The gaming industry now doesn't have the same magic anymore, while I'm happy to have lived through this I'm sad to know that the new generations likely wont experience the same kind of magic. But watching this makes me happy for the memories and good times this game has given me, and still do.
@@frankielala6515 Amazing man, but maybe games nowadays don't feel as magical because we're older? I get what you mean though, feels like years since I've been excited about any of it. It's all slick, well polished and stylish high-budget presentation, but then the games come out and it's a half-baked POS. There's a reason the companies are so big nowadays - they used to have spark, that's what made them so popular. Now they just seem like hollow suits selling a product. Maybe that's just me...either way, I miss that feeling from back then...
Regardless of how xpacs turn out in the end, it's always exciting when a new xpac is announced. Yes, we get burnt when Blizz under-delivers on things (e.g. path of the titans, shipyards etc), but that hype train is mighty tempting.
I remember seeing a trailer on TV For Cataclysm while at my cousins house, that was so exciting! Wish I could get excitement for new expansions like back then.
That Blizzcon was truly the pinnacle of the entire World of Warcraft experience: subscriptions were at the all time high, positivity was out the flow, the most wanted villain was almost there for us to face (Lich King), and everyone had an orgasm for the Cataclysm trailer, thinking it was going to make WoW the greatest and most ambitious game EVER. Then the downfall started,
Love the video and the crowds reaction. And yes the only thing they remowed from cataclysm is path of titans. I remember that very good, people were really hyped about it but it didn't see the light of the day. Thanks for the upload.
It was the start of the end in 2011 brah. Even back then there were posts on the forums that wow was dying. Great things don’t last forever. I’m just waiting for wrath classic to enjoy it one more time
These were the good ole days... hopefully blizzard doesn't forget who their fanbase is (maybe too late after watching Diablo Immortal reveal + all titles moving to Mobile)
Just listen to the excitement when the Greymane wall shows up and then the screams when Worgen are announced. Now could you imagine the reaction if Blizzard announced playable Naga? If only Blizzard weren't too lazy to give us anymore new races.
@Борис Христов It probably will. My guess is that they simply plan 5 expansions in advance and when those 5 expansions are done, they will have thought of another 5.
Wow. Looking at this trailer announcement and hearing the enthusiasm from the crowd. That expansion had so much promise. That makes me wonder. What pissed everyone off and made a lot of people quit the game?
The game ended up being launched prematurely (play goblin starting zones, Azshara, and numerous other 'reworked zones') and suffer from rushed development. Also, the actual new high level content/end game content was a lot less than previous expansions. They probably should have opted to rework the old zones slowly and in sections as expansions progressed, but instead bit off wayyyy more than they could chew (overly ambitious project) and kinda screwed the pooch.
@@sythirius42 Interesting. This is probably the first criticism I've ever heard in regards to some kind of rushed development being the disdain for the expansion.
Blizzard spread their resources too thin with the old world rework, leaving much of the Content in the Expansion severly undercooked. Depsite this, early Cataclysm was amazing, it was the first iteration of LFR and Dragon Soul that fucked it all up.
Whaaat a feature that was scrapped and never put in? No way! But yeah I feel ya. :( Where is my Dance Studio from Wrath of the Lich King Blizzard!? IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE BOX AS A LISTED FEATURE!
Cata was peak WoW, and I don't care what anyone else says. The endgame content might have been lesser compared to the vast continent of Northrend, but that wasn't the goal of Cata. The goal of Cata was revamping the miserable and dated 1-60 experience with all the improvements they'd made since they began. They absolutely succeeded. Pre-Cata, I only had two characters because I hated leveling through Azeroth. Post-Cata, I made many more, just to experience the different regional questlines properly. Maybe I'm too nostalgic, Cata was the only expansion I played from beginning to end, but I really loved it.
I started wow when cataclysm released when I was 14! Then I took a break and I had the time of my life during WOW classic during the pandemic, so many happy memories. I wish the hype/community of wow classic continued but it came to an end with TBC classic. Good times honestly. Were any of you on Zandalar Tribe?
"world completly changed!" - little yays in the crowd "new races!" - almost noone care "flying mounts in Azerot!' - everyone is YEEEEEES almost 8 years passed, reaction to new announces is pretty the same, the happiest shit ever is when they let us to fly
It's funny how they understated "hundreds new quests" when this actually was over 3500. They could've said thousands of new quests. Can't wait for Cataclysm Classic and what they will do with #somechanges :)
Was it just a coincidence that people cheered when the crack in the Barrens that divided it showed up, or did they know that the zone was actually gonna be fixed lol
I thought it was fun, but there was definitely not enough to do outside of the raids and leveling characters. Blizzard themselves admitted that the massive undertaking to overhaul all the Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor zones took resources away from developing new content for that game.
Been playing since vanilla, and can say, Cata ain't a scapegoat, it really did suck. Blizz bit off more than they could chew and failed to deliver a polished finished product. Just go back and play through the goblin starting zones, Azshara quests, etc. and you'll see how many bugs and janky shit was left in the game simply because they ran out of time. Glad classic servers are finally going to be an official thing, because I miss the pre-Cata quests and zones so much. Cata was such a fucking mess.
TwizzElishus You mean Call of the Babbysade? Oh yeah, welfare epics for everyone. I'm not even gonna defend Cata's endgame raid, but ICC's difficulty was a fucking joke. Talk about casualizing.
BossMadOne too dumb? Well, that was necessarily mean. I think Cataclysm was a huge let down in terms of PVE, I was PvP focused that expansion and it was alright but I think the PVE was lifeless.
Gabe4D Bad PVE? I'm sorry but Cataclysm had the most advanced and perfect questing system, and the hardest raids and dungeons until Rise of the Zandalari patch. I'm sorry but do you remember in the beginning of 4.1 patch that everyone was crying that the dungeons were hard? Blame the terrible community for that. For me every expansion is better than the previous. Thus, Mists of Pandaria is better than Cataclysm, Warlords of Draenor will beb etter than Mists. Cataclysm was better than Wrath, Wrath was better than the Crusade. Those who can't see it, are blinded by nostalgia
TheHunterDemon I'm sorry but that is heavily opinionated. I will not sit here and say that vanilla WoW was incredible. Sure, thinking back on it there are nostalgic feelings but it was a huge grind and I generally didn't play that much during vanilla, especially after hitting 60. BC was my favorite, I felt that it had a nice amount of grind but was a good improvement from the nonsense in vanilla WoW. Wrath was also good, the questing primarily was enjoyable which was a change for me. Wrath introduced the dungeon finder which was a change but it wasn't the end of the world, I PVE'd more in that expansion than any other. The first few months of Cataclysm were great, I do remember heroics. I was tanking them with my guild once we all hit level 85 as a Blood DK (which had become my main in Wrath). I took a long break and came back in the last patch of Cata and frankly it was a complete disaster with raid finder and all the new things implemented. Hell, if you remember, even Wrath introduced the "quest helper replacement" as some called it which just told you where to go and made questing doable with a blindfold on. Mists of Pandaria had the most linear questing every made. You can argue that you liked it the most, and that is an opinion, just as it is my opinion that Mists had boring questing. However, you CANNOT deny that it was linear and had many trash quests you could not avoid. If you did all the quests in Jade Forest you would be level 87, well on your way to 88. What happened to finishing zones and not feeling like you could have left a long time ago. I want to experience all the lore without wasting my time doing 20k exp quests when I could be 2 zones in getting 30-40k exp quests. I have high hopes for WoD.
Gabe4D The pattern of the quest is always the same on the areas. I don't know how you find it boring since it's the same pattern on every expansion. I'm talking technology here. I'm talking lore. I'm talking exploration. And Mists provided ALL of those. And no, it's not my opinion. Mists had OBJECTIVELY the best questing system. It's maybe the only thing that the "haters" liked in this expansion.
"YES! YES! SHOW US!" lol
:DDDDDDD im dead
I lol-ed so hard, i'm in tears
Aaah I just rewatched this and just had to laugh at that.. then it's first comment. Perfect! :P
Pro trick: you can watch movies on Flixzone. Been using it for watching lots of of movies these days.
@Daxton Keaton Definitely, I've been watching on flixzone} for since december myself =)
Deathwing has returned.. *actual explosion* priceless
it was so epic someone actually exploded
that really was a quality moment
@@leofera1137 Spontaneous cataclysm
3:40 "BTW you can fly in Azeroth now"
*Audience explodes*
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male arent you special
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male hahahahahahaa bravo
@@danielroach2089 He's not wrong tho. Flying in azeroth made the world feel incredibly small, didnt see people as much and wpvp was completely dead
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male Funny how no one cares
@@ianneilson8684 I definitely agree, it was a mistake that made the world feel unimportant. You'd just fly to wherever you needed to go and get it done really quick, there used to be some level of adventure in running past mobs and potentially having to engage in world pvp along the way. After flying, you never really had to worry about world pvp again which sounds ok on paper for some but really takes away a lot of the adventure in the game.
epic moments
10 years later :
''dont you guys have phones ?''
4:38 Ah yes, good old path of the tit... wait what?
Path of the tit? You have my attention
Biggest cheer was for flying mounts.
Oh how the times have changed
"Be careful what you wish for"
Flying is awesome, the game desperately needed it.
@DoctorClockwork It enhanced wpvp. You could seek out and stalk your prey instead of waiting around quest hubs. And don't blame flying for Blizzard cutting corners on terrain design, blame the Timeless Isle. Look at WoD even, same shit we have now and it wasn't going to have flying at all!
@@Kataroku it ruined pvp and made the world feel even smaller
I got insane chills when they annouced the new races.
TheButtheadd The Worgen literally Sent a shiver down my spine
me too omg
"New monsters" *crickets*
Shame no cheer for that, the artwork for the monsters is amazing
There are always new monsters...
@@TommyDaGreatest as well as new dungeons and raids)
This makes me tear up. The glory days are gone... And gaming companies and the gaming scene are not the same anymore. I really hope Mike Morhaime brings it back with his new company!
I remember when everyone was wondering what will be next after WoTLK, the hype was at max level
Plz stop lie cata was garbage
@@Baxa125 Yea, but since Cata came up, WoW became a garbage.
Glory days are gone, but funny thing is that people don't remember how many were complaining during wotlk and cata but people are forgeting about that so they can spit on what is currently happening, ppl always were complaining and will, that is in us.
Glory days are coming back
Chris Metzen was the best hype man
J. Allen Brack is like a limp noodle...and Ion is kinda lame too. Alex Afrasiabi was okayish. Brackenstein is more of a corporate shill type so he'll sell out the franchise's quality to appease his masters. For years MMOs talked about what would be the next WoW killer....I said years ago...Only WoW will kill WoW.
He genuinely loved Warcraft unlike people working on it now
@@11123fsd Stupid comment.
@@Stewquisitor How so? Look at current WoW and tell me the people making it are passionate about it. You can't.
@@11123fsd And you can look at the game and list every developer, artist, and producer by name and tell me they don’t have passion for the game? Go ahead, I’ll even give you 24 hours to list them. Don’t be a child and flex negativity on an entire team you don’t even know. Ignorant brat.
oh man. I just wish I could have seen it for myself back then. The glory of WoW in its heydey was incredible.
It was glorious, especially compared to how things are now. But truthfully, even the talk of cata felt like things were about to decline. It was bittersweet, because new challenges were coming but ‘authentic’ wow felt like it was going away
5:00 I think one of the speakers blew
Man, I remember SEEING this as the news broke...the excitement was absolutely unmatched. Forget anything you think you know about hype-trains - nothing comes close to this. The prospect of expanding Azeroth, a world that already felt so immensely vast and so full of mystery and lore that you were still only scratching the surface of it even after several years.
I know rose-tinted goggles are a thing, but good God - gaming pre-2010's was just a non-stop rollercoaster man.
I was watching the announcement with a friend while we were sitting by his toaster of a pc. He bought a blizzconline ticket (think it was the first time they did such a thing?) and we both sort of crapped our pants from the excitement of a whole new world to discover!
The gaming industry now doesn't have the same magic anymore, while I'm happy to have lived through this I'm sad to know that the new generations likely wont experience the same kind of magic. But watching this makes me happy for the memories and good times this game has given me, and still do.
@@frankielala6515 Amazing man, but maybe games nowadays don't feel as magical because we're older? I get what you mean though, feels like years since I've been excited about any of it. It's all slick, well polished and stylish high-budget presentation, but then the games come out and it's a half-baked POS.
There's a reason the companies are so big nowadays - they used to have spark, that's what made them so popular. Now they just seem like hollow suits selling a product. Maybe that's just me...either way, I miss that feeling from back then...
Holy fuck...9 years flied so fast. I feel like that's Cata opening been yesterday...jeez
Those speakers blowing at literally the perfect time
Regardless of how xpacs turn out in the end, it's always exciting when a new xpac is announced. Yes, we get burnt when Blizz under-delivers on things (e.g. path of the titans, shipyards etc), but that hype train is mighty tempting.
this comment hasnt aged well
It really hasn’t
Good old days 😥
More than 8 years later, the Worgen finally get a new model
But in opposite with human und dwarfs who got updated in WOD, the old Worgens still looked good
And all the other Classic races tbh
The old races got an update 10 years after stfu lol
People play worgen?
@@CHRSS111 Yeah I'm a Worgen player
dude, the nerd at the beginning. I like it, real passion.
Deathwing has returned... BOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Your picture made me read that in master chiefs voice lmao
Why i have it in recomendations in 2019???
To remember Blizzard.
R.I.P Blizzard
Cause actual WoW is dead.
Dunno man, me too.
This is youtube warning us that WoW Classic will progress into the Cataclysm Xpac by 2029
2020 lol
I never have had such goosebumbs and I am watching this in 2017 XD
I remember seeing a trailer on TV For Cataclysm while at my cousins house, that was so exciting! Wish I could get excitement for new expansions like back then.
Almost 10 years....i feel like it was about one year ago
Currently re watching this for the big day. I LOVED CATA and i am SOOO excited for the pre patch to start today
That Blizzcon was truly the pinnacle of the entire World of Warcraft experience: subscriptions were at the all time high, positivity was out the flow, the most wanted villain was almost there for us to face (Lich King), and everyone had an orgasm for the Cataclysm trailer, thinking it was going to make WoW the greatest and most ambitious game EVER.
Then the downfall started,
this video still brings the chills down my spine I felt 14 years ago. crazy...
Love the video and the crowds reaction. And yes the only thing they remowed from cataclysm is path of titans. I remember that very good, people were really hyped about it but it didn't see the light of the day. Thanks for the upload.
watching this mid late 2021 knowing this is the start of the end. feelsbadman
It was the start of the end in 2011 brah. Even back then there were posts on the forums that wow was dying. Great things don’t last forever. I’m just waiting for wrath classic to enjoy it one more time
9 years ago.....
These were the good ole days... hopefully blizzard doesn't forget who their fanbase is (maybe too late after watching Diablo Immortal reveal + all titles moving to Mobile)
Just listen to the excitement when the Greymane wall shows up and then the screams when Worgen are announced. Now could you imagine the reaction if Blizzard announced playable Naga? If only Blizzard weren't too lazy to give us anymore new races.
Nagga would be cool and all but it would look stupid on mounts
@@Baba-sf1ck Worgen?
@@Baba-sf1ck u got it 👏🏼 mounts ruin the game
This game is so big :) i hope it never ends
In 2017 they said they are already FIVE expansions ahead, So won't end anytime soon.
It practically prints money.. safe to say it won't end.
@Борис Христов It probably will. My guess is that they simply plan 5 expansions in advance and when those 5 expansions are done, they will have thought of another 5.
i came from the future, i have bad news....
It is over, and not in a good way
The amount of cheering for the holy cow lmao
We talking about how good the Classic reaction was, but this is a WHOLE other level!
I remember, as soon as this was announced and they showed that Tauren Paladin, people were rushing to reserve the name "Holycow".
how do you know people were rushing to reserve that name? seems impossible to know
I'm here 2 minutes before the announcement of the 10.0 expansion (maybe Dragonflight)
Cataclysm was like painting over the Sistine Chapel
Better times….
I dont care what anyone says, I loved this expac until the pre-patch for pandaria.
I remember the horde crown little sad about goblins. lmao
I've never cried tears of joy.
Until now...
Wow. Looking at this trailer announcement and hearing the enthusiasm from the crowd. That expansion had so much promise. That makes me wonder. What pissed everyone off and made a lot of people quit the game?
The game ended up being launched prematurely (play goblin starting zones, Azshara, and numerous other 'reworked zones') and suffer from rushed development. Also, the actual new high level content/end game content was a lot less than previous expansions. They probably should have opted to rework the old zones slowly and in sections as expansions progressed, but instead bit off wayyyy more than they could chew (overly ambitious project) and kinda screwed the pooch.
@@sythirius42 Interesting. This is probably the first criticism I've ever heard in regards to some kind of rushed development being the disdain for the expansion.
I remember getting all hyped up but after playing a couple months I realized they had changed so much & just not being into it
The huge drop in subscribers were mostly bots and changes in how the Chinese and Korean payment system works. They lost a ton of players that way.
Blizzard spread their resources too thin with the old world rework, leaving much of the Content in the Expansion severly undercooked. Depsite this, early Cataclysm was amazing, it was the first iteration of LFR and Dragon Soul that fucked it all up.
Still waiting for my path of titans...
Whaaat a feature that was scrapped and never put in? No way! But yeah I feel ya. :( Where is my Dance Studio from Wrath of the Lich King Blizzard!? IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE BOX AS A LISTED FEATURE!
Still waiting for Path of the titans lol
Ty so much algorithm
This were my first expansion
mine too
The good old days...
I miss this time
A little bit of silence when they show the tauren paladin XD
I was there, about 10 rows on the other side of the podium
Cata was peak WoW, and I don't care what anyone else says.
The endgame content might have been lesser compared to the vast continent of Northrend, but that wasn't the goal of Cata.
The goal of Cata was revamping the miserable and dated 1-60 experience with all the improvements they'd made since they began. They absolutely succeeded.
Pre-Cata, I only had two characters because I hated leveling through Azeroth. Post-Cata, I made many more, just to experience the different regional questlines properly.
Maybe I'm too nostalgic, Cata was the only expansion I played from beginning to end, but I really loved it.
Cata was underated so hard. Hope they bring it to classic in 2024.
@@Invictvs1212 i hope no.
Yeeees. I remember the hype of the Goblins! :D
that trailer got me more excited then warlords of draenor trailer
I think Ion needs to watch this video just for the flying mount announcement.
what was funny is that i never even explored those lands i just did LFG same with like 90% of people
I started wow when cataclysm released when I was 14! Then I took a break and I had the time of my life during WOW classic during the pandemic, so many happy memories. I wish the hype/community of wow classic continued but it came to an end with TBC classic. Good times honestly. Were any of you on Zandalar Tribe?
I was
I was
"Level Cap Raised To 85"
lolwut
laughed so hard at the explosion in the end
Someone just Explode because of how Exciting this was lol
"world completly changed!" - little yays in the crowd
"new races!" - almost noone care
"flying mounts in Azerot!' - everyone is YEEEEEES
almost 8 years passed, reaction to new announces is pretty the same, the happiest shit ever is when they let us to fly
"Deathwing returns!" - Everyone is so exciting that even one of them literally just explode xD
Now: Pathfinder
Player: Yikes
It's coming back.
the bigges cheer was at flying mounts for azertoh lol, yeah that was pretty huge. but goddamn worgen for the alliance, fucking love it.
YES! We've been farming ICC for too long! Save us!
It's funny how they understated "hundreds new quests" when this actually was over 3500. They could've said thousands of new quests. Can't wait for Cataclysm Classic and what they will do with #somechanges :)
They dont get these kind of applause anymore^^
WHAT A TIME!!!
Good old times..
Cataclysm may have been disappointing, but I can't be mad considering the amount of content that it gave us.
This expansion was so good... on paper.
Some of the most fun times I've had on WoW during this expansion.
Yaaa man.. cata and wotlk are the best
@@johncostik6286 WOT-LOOKA HYPE WOT-LOOKA HYPE
0:32
Is how you deliver to the audience.
Meanwhile, the world has experienced it's own earth-shattering cataclysm...
Imagine being a Horde player back then trying to stay excited about Goblins after Worgens were announced. lol
Goblins are way better race then furries
Ah yes, the glory days. Back when games were made by people who played them, before the days of microtransactions and pay to win
fyling mounts in azeroth and all screming her soul out xD
"But what our heroes didnt know, is that they were cheering the beggining... of the end!"
This is how warcraft dies... With thunderous applause
Was it just a coincidence that people cheered when the crack in the Barrens that divided it showed up, or did they know that the zone was actually gonna be fixed lol
What do you mean? The zone was never fixed....
I remember seeing this announcement thinking to myself "oh no, they're making the old world worse by destroying it".
I was right too.
foi a expansão que eu fui mais feliz.
my favorite expansion . even now i play cata on public servers .d: D
yes.
i sooo wanted to be there...
Cataclysm was actually pretty fun. People like to scapegoat everything on one fucking thing all the time.
I thought it was fun, but there was definitely not enough to do outside of the raids and leveling characters. Blizzard themselves admitted that the massive undertaking to overhaul all the Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor zones took resources away from developing new content for that game.
Really? I've only ever had 1 max level character and I was always doing stuff.
yeah, WoD was byfar the worst expansion
Been playing since vanilla, and can say, Cata ain't a scapegoat, it really did suck. Blizz bit off more than they could chew and failed to deliver a polished finished product. Just go back and play through the goblin starting zones, Azshara quests, etc. and you'll see how many bugs and janky shit was left in the game simply because they ran out of time. Glad classic servers are finally going to be an official thing, because I miss the pre-Cata quests and zones so much. Cata was such a fucking mess.
It's the truth though, that after Cataclysm, World of Warcraft went downhill.
This was the time
“Do you guys not have phones?!”
You think you do but you don't
-probably a Blizzard employee
Damn. Kinda crazy how this really ended wow.
@samosval92 Is it still *Kick ass*?
4:26 Brief wheew for archeology says it all.
I miss Chris, absolute fucking HYPE LORD.
Best expansion ever
Can't blame Deathwing for being just a tad angry. He did lose his entire lower jaw, and had it replaced with a metal one.
and then dragonsoul and LFR happened...and everything went to hell
"hurr cata sux guys" - every Wrath babby ever, not realizing Wotlk was the demise of WoW.
TwizzElishus
I'm talking about quality of the game, not the sub numbers you imbecile.
TwizzElishus
You mean Call of the Babbysade? Oh yeah, welfare epics for everyone. I'm not even gonna defend Cata's endgame raid, but ICC's difficulty was a fucking joke. Talk about casualizing.
Someone smells like he pooped his pants in anger. Are you trying to get noticed on /v/ or why are you throwing around those random buzz words now?
TwizzElishus
I guess I won the argument then. Really not that hard to win against a wrath-babby tho.
They should've skipped Cataclsym, and gone into Mists of Pandaria. I wish the changing of the map never happened.
That's why i repeat again and again that Cataclysm was a great extention in many ways.
"YESS!!!SHOW US
"Yeah there's greenery and stuff in Desolace it's still one of the worst zones though sorry"
I think Cata was a good Expansion! :)
En ese entonces no sabiamos el desastre que se venia
it... it seemed so amazing.... but.. what happened!?
BossMadOne too dumb? Well, that was necessarily mean. I think Cataclysm was a huge let down in terms of PVE, I was PvP focused that expansion and it was alright but I think the PVE was lifeless.
BossMadOne
Bad expansion, be mad, Cata baby
Gabe4D Bad PVE? I'm sorry but Cataclysm had the most advanced and perfect questing system, and the hardest raids and dungeons until Rise of the Zandalari patch. I'm sorry but do you remember in the beginning of 4.1 patch that everyone was crying that the dungeons were hard? Blame the terrible community for that. For me every expansion is better than the previous. Thus, Mists of Pandaria is better than Cataclysm, Warlords of Draenor will beb etter than Mists. Cataclysm was better than Wrath, Wrath was better than the Crusade. Those who can't see it, are blinded by nostalgia
TheHunterDemon I'm sorry but that is heavily opinionated. I will not sit here and say that vanilla WoW was incredible. Sure, thinking back on it there are nostalgic feelings but it was a huge grind and I generally didn't play that much during vanilla, especially after hitting 60. BC was my favorite, I felt that it had a nice amount of grind but was a good improvement from the nonsense in vanilla WoW. Wrath was also good, the questing primarily was enjoyable which was a change for me. Wrath introduced the dungeon finder which was a change but it wasn't the end of the world, I PVE'd more in that expansion than any other. The first few months of Cataclysm were great, I do remember heroics. I was tanking them with my guild once we all hit level 85 as a Blood DK (which had become my main in Wrath). I took a long break and came back in the last patch of Cata and frankly it was a complete disaster with raid finder and all the new things implemented. Hell, if you remember, even Wrath introduced the "quest helper replacement" as some called it which just told you where to go and made questing doable with a blindfold on. Mists of Pandaria had the most linear questing every made. You can argue that you liked it the most, and that is an opinion, just as it is my opinion that Mists had boring questing. However, you CANNOT deny that it was linear and had many trash quests you could not avoid. If you did all the quests in Jade Forest you would be level 87, well on your way to 88. What happened to finishing zones and not feeling like you could have left a long time ago. I want to experience all the lore without wasting my time doing 20k exp quests when I could be 2 zones in getting 30-40k exp quests. I have high hopes for WoD.
Gabe4D The pattern of the quest is always the same on the areas. I don't know how you find it boring since it's the same pattern on every expansion. I'm talking technology here. I'm talking lore. I'm talking exploration. And Mists provided ALL of those. And no, it's not my opinion. Mists had OBJECTIVELY the best questing system. It's maybe the only thing that the "haters" liked in this expansion.
LFM 4-6-30 Raid on the real boss, that one Light Stand in the middle of the screen! 🤨🤨