After watching this review, I went out and measured my cable on the juice box I have owned for 10 years. 24.5 feet, not including the plug. This Shell unit would work for me at the “alternate world headquarters”. Thanks for the review.
I bet that it would reach 25 feet with the 120v adapter, but since it is not included anymore that makes that line of reasoning even more of a stretch.
For us nerds with 3D printers there are a bunch of options for the wall connector/cable management. I made my own! This looks like a handy unit. I use my 120 EVSE for over night visits with people. An extra 40 or 50 miles of range over night can be handy.
Great review as always - especially the transparency on all the complications. There should be some kind of score penalty for lying/inaccuracy on the cord length!
Thanks Tom. Shell Recharge as a company has been VERY sketchy for us. We have an account with them but have never used their public charging system. The app regularly tells me that our account is scheduled to be deleted. I called CS and they were of absolutely no use. I will try at some point to begin a charge with them but NEVER at a critical time.
I don't like how the connector pictures on the box don't actually match the connectors on the unit. Where's the strain relief that it shows on the picture of the nema 14-50 plug?
Pretty much the whole time I was watching this review I was thinking: Just buy the Grizzl-E Mini. It's well made, comes with all the adapters and has a better J-1772 plug. Some icing on the cake, it's made in Canada, not China. All told, to me it's well worth the difference in price.
A unit without safety certification should automatically be excluded from any testing and be qualified as non acceptable. On your previous test, the fact the cable basiaclly broke when twisted was a blatant sign that it was essentially trash. The problem with Chinese manufacture is a lack of regulations. There are an infinite number of fly by night companies in China that will basically anything, usually badly. Though this unit carries the same brand and looks similar to the previous, it's probably made by an entirely different company. Shame on Shell for not verifying that they were selling a quality product. This new one still is a "cheapo" that I would not buy under any circumstance, but, at least, it's not an obvious hazard.
I reviewed the 2nd generation of this EVSE (this is the 3rd, or perhaps 4th) where Tom's concerns were addressed. They changed the plug and was certified by a NRTL to meet the appropriate UL standards. You're free to hold your opinions, but I don't agree that "Chinese manufactured" goods are trash. Most things are manufactured in China, or areas of the world with different regulatory landscapes. This is a reality. Very few of the things you buy are manufactured in the US. Where something is made doesn't matter very much. What matters is that they are tested to relevant standards when they are sold in the US. I also would not buy or recommend an EVSE that isn't NRTL tested, but while I agree that every reviewer should call out the need for NRTL testing, pretending EVSE that aren't, don't exist, probably isn't the right answer either. That isn't how you educate consumers around how to recognize good/bad products. Critical reviews, like Tom's for the 1st gen Shell Recharge EVSE, are a powerful way to get positive change from OEMs.
@MissingRemote At no time did I say something different. However, given China's regulatory environment or lack thereof, Chinese manufacture, particularly without EU or USA certification, is a glaring red flag. Consumers should not have to endure this state of affairs. Faulty drugs, faulty batteries, poisonous pet food, you name it. Western corporate greed mixed with unregulated chinese manufacturing is a poisonous brood.
Furthermore if you exclude them reviews and testing then people won’t be aware of the issues. Better to expose them for what they are as long as Tom is comfortable with any risks posed to him in the testing. If he feels something is too poorly made to be safely tested then yes, by all means stop testing. But otherwise I think it’s good to expose the shoddy products when they are encountered.
The marketing company that handles the brand reached out to me about this charger but couldnt tell me anything about it but really wanted it reviewed. Even sent the marketing agreement with them and Royal Dutch Shell signed under Hong Kong law. I declined based on I have no idea how to review such a thing. That being said everything appeared to be legitimate
Tom like always, I enjoy your charger reviews. First time I seen you show the shell recharge it looks like a garden hose to me. No wonder it failed the Deep Freeze test. You would think they would have quality control there. The charges should have never gone out to you.
Off topic but that Ford EVSE on the right side of the frame is a frickin' monster. I hope that has V2L capabilities or something to justify the size. I have a V2 Tesla Wall Connector that also supports up to 80A so I know 80A alone doesn't justify that size.
That was an unfortunate Equinox experience with recovering charging after an outage. Good to see you adding that to the testing mix! Look forward to your Equinox experiences!
Bought the older one a couple year ago for my volt after seeing your review as only need 120v. Retains option to do faster charging later if need for a future EV. The connector is terrible, wife dropped and broke it. I had to tape and glue it and now protect it with foam on the outside else will be fully broken soon. The volt charger I have lasted 8 years and connector still fine after many drops but replaced due to heating issues. Apart from connector was a good choice for me.
The final score seems very high considering all of the potential deal-breakers. I am not sure your scoring system accurately describes the unit in comparison to other chargers based on certain use-cases, but you do try to modify it with your own rating. I can see how it would be very difficult to modify the whole system at this point, but considering some companies also try to game the rating system it might be something to think about further. Good review as usual.
Hello Tom, I am subscribed to your channel, very informative. Thanks for the advice for the Grizzl-E cord management holder. My wife's 2024 Volvo XC-60 T-8 came with a combo Level 1 & 2 Charging cable. We charge and keep her car in the garage. Her Level 2 wall plug only needs to be a 240 Volt, 20 Amp Outlet/ Circuit. Her instructions read to unplug the car first, then unplug the Cord/plug from the wall. I am not a fan of constantly/ daily plugging and unplugging the cord from the wall, to create wear and tear on the wall outlet. Thinking of using a 250 Volt/ 30 Amp Knife/ Blade Switch Disconnect near the 240 Volt plug. Definitely no push/pull disconnect typical for Air Conditioning units as seen in your prior video. Also, I don't like the idea or possibility of anyone getting their fingers on the blades of the 240 volt outlet with that daily plug and unplug. Don't know why Volvo reads to unplug it from the wall. Any experience with that Volvo read unplugging recommendation.
Shopped the original version, hoping the shell name meant quality. Once comparing, it seemed weak, so I went with a competitor - which I still use daily for work travel on a weekly basis. I'm glad I hesitated as it still beats this upgraded unit 😮
I’m in complete agreement with you. - When Rivian reached out to me after 6 months of ownership asking for a review of my experiences, this is one area that I noted that should be improved. If there is additional cost involved, then make an 80amp charging option that is a paid upgrade. Not every owner may want or need it, but I would have appreciated having an option. My Tesla Wall Connector is on a 100amp circuit and is rated at 80a output. I would like to be able to take advantage of that sometimes.
I have this charger. Your power interruption issue, I see a similar variant of. When I charge my M3 with a schedule departure at 6:00AM it does not start in the evening. I woke up for my commute and it did have a charge. Only way I can use the charger is to not use the Tesla scheduled departure feature.
I avoid Shell Recharge at all costs. My workplace installed dozens of their stations at multiple offices and about 10 months in some of the units started showing an error “payment required” even though as employees we all have free charging. It wouldn’t initiate a charge session. I worked with our maintenance team and they stated Shell Recharge states the new units less than a year old are now obsolete and they won’t perform any repairs for them. Complete joke of a company
Does this charger or any other charger you have reviewed been able to do load management? Specifically will it adapt its power draw when my house hold electrical panel is close to its max power draw. Love the reviews and the channel I have learned a tonne.
Yep, Looks like Shell is just selling their name and sticking it on random stuff from China. $149 for the 32amp version from other China brands with the same design. No wonder it has such a shady history like the 3 feet in missing cord. Ironically, the Evgoer has a 3 year warranty.
Getting by with 120v charging is completely doable If your daily average miles driven are in the vicinity of 60 or less, and you can be charging most of the time when parked. Eg you work from home, or have access to an outlet when parked at work. I’ve been doing it for almost 2 years. You might need an occasional faster charge if you have bursts of more driving or a busy weekend, but otherwise it’s totally possible. Da Maths: Typical sedan/hatch/crossover EV’s get about 3 miles per KWh of power used, and you can usually net at least 1KWh/hour after efficiency losses when charging off 120v @12a (1.4KW). If parked and charging 20hours/day that’s 60 miles a day.
The picture of their unit has a lot longer cable from the plug to the unit than your actual unit did. I would have docked them more just for having a 22-foot cable instead of the 25 they claimed. Shell needs to get their marketing to match the unit fixed yesterday.
Sorry not interested in spending that much h for a 'Nice' case. Great review Tom. I agree with your impressions. Sounds like She'll doesn't care about crossover customers from ICE to EV.😢
Tom, I’m thinking that you should start reviewing portable EVSEs that people can buy online as some people going on vacation might not be able to charge wherever they’re staying, like a cabin in the woods or an RV park. It could help consumers decide which portable EVSE would be best to purchase.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyI think so, yeah! I’ve seen some portable EVSEs online from companies I’ve never heard of and I am skeptical about their reliability and if they’re even safety certified. On the other hand, I have seen some from companies that I have heard of and they look pretty great, but I also don’t know how reliable and tough they are and if they’re also safety certified.
I think you should have a standard deduction of 5-10 points for any misrepresentation, with minus 5 if it seems to be an oversight up to minus 10 if it’s obvious.
Not starting to charge if you don’t disconnect and reconnect is an issue I had with the previous Shell Recharge model. Phantom drain from Sentry Mode? Better unplug and plug it back in! I gave that thing away so a friend had a spare.
Tom , the power interruption test on the equinox or bolt , maybe the charging restart do not happen because it’s a safety issue and GM made it this way on purpose to protect the car. do think it’s a good thing the charge did not restart.
The main function of so call charger is just an extension cord with J1772 plug. The Tesla maybe the only one using the right name “charging cable “ The real charger is inside the car and do all transform AC DC to car high voltage battery pack. The wall charging station only take care two things. One is GFCI and the other is telling car charger the maximum safety current this cable can handle. So when fail to charge, the charging station side only needs checking GFCI issue. All the other problems are on the car side.
This is like an open book test for Shell and they still came up short in the cable testing. They should be calling their supplier today and negotiating a different cable and one that measures up to all the tests. 🤦🏻♂️ 43:22
Both sides on the unit, where the cables connect, look like they can be twisted off and removed...is the true? I'm looking for something like this as I need to run the EVSE cable through an underground PVC pipe.
If it's UL or ETL listed, it has to. But that only protects downstream of the lump in the cord. Which is why code requires you to have a GFCI breaker on a 14-50 (or other) receptacle installed for EV charging. When the plug isn't all the way in, the blades are exposed and energized.
I have a Tesla mobile connector that came with the car. I think that one is hard to beat, even if you don't have a Tesla. I think if I got a different vehicle with J1772, I'd buy another one (partially because I have a bunch of the different plug ends already) and buy something like Lectron's NACS to J1772 adapter. No one else makes a good mobile unit with interchangeable plugs. Ford sort of does, but only has the 5-15 or 14-50 plugs. Was almost a waste to design it like Tesla's only to not make more than 2 plugs.
@@TechnicalLee100%, but the average consumer is going to associate the EVSE with Shell and it’s logo. I won’t be buying one. Wish Tesla had a 40A mobile EVSE.
Tesla did make a 40A for years. I still have two of the Gen 1 mobile chargers, one from my previous model S, and one I ordered back in the day. You can still find them online used.
After buying a Tesla Mobile Connector for $250 and seeing the quality of that unit, I can't see why someone would pay more for an inferior portable unit.
@@mowcowbell Yes, I agree. There must be several EV models that don’t allow amperage adjustment because Tom’s ChargerRater gives a merit point for this adjustment. I never use it because 11kW AC charging is minuscule compared to 200kW DC fast charging. When we unplug at 80%, most EVs are charging close to 80 kW.
That's not correct. The display has the kW reading AND the kWh reading. I was referring to the kWh reading, which is there to show you how many kWh was delivered during the charging session. Look at the video again, you'll see both the power delivery (kW) and the total energy delivered (kWh) next to each other on the screen.
Thanks for mentioning the elephant in the room at end of review. Why turquoise, yellow, and white? Are these new Shell colors? Am I the only one who thinks it looks feminine? These light colors will show dirt quickly. Could that be the reason why others are black?
Given Shells outrageous climate change policies I make a point of avoiding anything to do with Shell including their ev charging stations. I'd much rather support honest companies trying to tackle climate change.
At 5:56 you say "it's going to automatically detect how much current your circuit can provide". That's dangerously incorrect. This doesn't do that and there's no way it could. The manual misleadingly talks about automatically detecting how much current your car needs, which isn't really true either but it's not not dangerous as thinking you can plug it into a 30 A circuit and it will detect that. The fact the manual is unclear about that in a way that fooled even an expert like you is a real problem. It says in one place "Ensure the circuit breaker of the outlet or the GFCI outlet supports current of 50 A or more," (which is confused about GFCI on 50 A outlets), but then also has a table of different circuit breaker sizes and settings. Those kinds of contradictions in important safety instructions are a red flag. As is the fact that it can do 16 A at 120 V and has a 5-15 plug and says it should only be used with a 5-15 receptacle.
@@boeingav8tr525you need the receptacle rating and the breaker to be 125% of the actual current. For 48 A charging you would need a 60 A receptacle as well as a 60 A breaker. In practice, you hardwire for 48 A charging. And on a 50A receptacle, a 50 A breaker and charge at no more than 40 A.
NEMA 14-50 outlets are perfectly fine and in accordance with NEC when installed on a 50-amp circuit. EV charging equipment that utilizes a NEMA 14-50 plug is designed to draw a maximum of 40-amps which is 80% of the 50-amp circuit and follows the continuous load rule.
Nope, a NEMA 14-50 outlet has to be on either a 40A or 50A breaker only. A 60 amp breaker exceeds the amperage rating of the receptacle and is not allowed. With a 50A breaker, you can only charge at 40A continuous (max rate for a 14-50 outlet). It's the 80% rule, not 10% rule.
I own the previous one, and my main issue with it is that the selectable current option seems to skip around on it's own. Feels like a fault in the selector button, perhaps. Works fine for a slower charging vehicle (my son's BMW i3), but not so great for my Lightning.
@@NSFWHarold That's alarming and a good example of why that approach isn't allowed by code. The current setting needs to be reliable and locked down per code, if you are going to use it on a circuit that can't do the max.
Wow, Tom. I can't believe you bought a brand new EV just to test this portable EV charger. Now that's real dedication to your craft. 🤣🤣
Shell: "You know what has been missing from a lot of these EVSEs? Teal!"
After watching this review, I went out and measured my cable on the juice box I have owned for 10 years. 24.5 feet, not including the plug. This Shell unit would work for me at the “alternate world headquarters”. Thanks for the review.
Tom you were wrestling with that unit and cable like it was an alligator.
If the 120v adapter is used, would the cord length be 25 ft? Agree, they should be honest with the usable length of the cord
I bet that it would reach 25 feet with the 120v adapter, but since it is not included anymore that makes that line of reasoning even more of a stretch.
For us nerds with 3D printers there are a bunch of options for the wall connector/cable management. I made my own! This looks like a handy unit. I use my 120 EVSE for over night visits with people. An extra 40 or 50 miles of range over night can be handy.
Great review as always - especially the transparency on all the complications. There should be some kind of score penalty for lying/inaccuracy on the cord length!
Thanks Tom.
Shell Recharge as a company has been VERY sketchy for us. We have an account with them but have never used their public charging system. The app regularly tells me that our account is scheduled to be deleted. I called CS and they were of absolutely no use. I will try at some point to begin a charge with them but NEVER at a critical time.
I know this has a name brand on it but you can buy this very charger for $149 without the shell Branding.
Evgoer one is only 32 amps
From who?
Great job thank you for the review. You are the best for these reviews.
I don't like how the connector pictures on the box don't actually match the connectors on the unit. Where's the strain relief that it shows on the picture of the nema 14-50 plug?
What about a dunk test, has that been discontinued?
The picture ON THE FRONT OF THE BOX shows molded-in strain relief on the NEMA 14-50 connector but then the actual plug has none? Wtf?!
Pretty much the whole time I was watching this review I was thinking: Just buy the Grizzl-E Mini. It's well made, comes with all the adapters and has a better J-1772 plug. Some icing on the cake, it's made in Canada, not China. All told, to me it's well worth the difference in price.
A unit without safety certification should automatically be excluded from any testing and be qualified as non acceptable. On your previous test, the fact the cable basiaclly broke when twisted was a blatant sign that it was essentially trash. The problem with Chinese manufacture is a lack of regulations. There are an infinite number of fly by night companies in China that will basically anything, usually badly. Though this unit carries the same brand and looks similar to the previous, it's probably made by an entirely different company. Shame on Shell for not verifying that they were selling a quality product. This new one still is a "cheapo" that I would not buy under any circumstance, but, at least, it's not an obvious hazard.
I reviewed the 2nd generation of this EVSE (this is the 3rd, or perhaps 4th) where Tom's concerns were addressed. They changed the plug and was certified by a NRTL to meet the appropriate UL standards. You're free to hold your opinions, but I don't agree that "Chinese manufactured" goods are trash. Most things are manufactured in China, or areas of the world with different regulatory landscapes. This is a reality. Very few of the things you buy are manufactured in the US. Where something is made doesn't matter very much. What matters is that they are tested to relevant standards when they are sold in the US. I also would not buy or recommend an EVSE that isn't NRTL tested, but while I agree that every reviewer should call out the need for NRTL testing, pretending EVSE that aren't, don't exist, probably isn't the right answer either. That isn't how you educate consumers around how to recognize good/bad products. Critical reviews, like Tom's for the 1st gen Shell Recharge EVSE, are a powerful way to get positive change from OEMs.
@MissingRemote
At no time did I say something different. However, given China's regulatory environment or lack thereof, Chinese manufacture, particularly without EU or USA certification, is a glaring red flag. Consumers should not have to endure this state of affairs. Faulty drugs, faulty batteries, poisonous pet food, you name it. Western corporate greed mixed with unregulated chinese manufacturing is a poisonous brood.
Furthermore if you exclude them reviews and testing then people won’t be aware of the issues. Better to expose them for what they are as long as Tom is comfortable with any risks posed to him in the testing. If he feels something is too poorly made to be safely tested then yes, by all means stop testing. But otherwise I think it’s good to expose the shoddy products when they are encountered.
@ChuckvdL
They should be reviewed indeed. However the review would be real short. Not acceptable because it's not certified by a testing agency.
The marketing company that handles the brand reached out to me about this charger but couldnt tell me anything about it but really wanted it reviewed. Even sent the marketing agreement with them and Royal Dutch Shell signed under Hong Kong law. I declined based on I have no idea how to review such a thing. That being said everything appeared to be legitimate
Tom like always, I enjoy your charger reviews. First time I seen you show the shell recharge it looks like a garden hose to me. No wonder it failed the Deep Freeze test. You would think they would have quality control there. The charges should have never gone out to you.
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Off topic but that Ford EVSE on the right side of the frame is a frickin' monster. I hope that has V2L capabilities or something to justify the size. I have a V2 Tesla Wall Connector that also supports up to 80A so I know 80A alone doesn't justify that size.
That was an unfortunate Equinox experience with recovering charging after an outage.
Good to see you adding that to the testing mix! Look forward to your Equinox experiences!
Bought the older one a couple year ago for my volt after seeing your review as only need 120v. Retains option to do faster charging later if need for a future EV. The connector is terrible, wife dropped and broke it. I had to tape and glue it and now protect it with foam on the outside else will be fully broken soon. The volt charger I have lasted 8 years and connector still fine after many drops but replaced due to heating issues. Apart from connector was a good choice for me.
Thank you!
The final score seems very high considering all of the potential deal-breakers. I am not sure your scoring system accurately describes the unit in comparison to other chargers based on certain use-cases, but you do try to modify it with your own rating. I can see how it would be very difficult to modify the whole system at this point, but considering some companies also try to game the rating system it might be something to think about further. Good review as usual.
Hello Tom, I am subscribed to your channel, very informative. Thanks for the advice for the Grizzl-E cord management holder. My wife's 2024 Volvo XC-60 T-8 came with a combo Level 1 & 2 Charging cable. We charge and keep her car in the garage. Her Level 2 wall plug only needs to be a 240 Volt, 20 Amp Outlet/ Circuit. Her instructions read to unplug the car first, then unplug the Cord/plug from the wall. I am not a fan of constantly/ daily plugging and unplugging the cord from the wall, to create wear and tear on the wall outlet. Thinking of using a 250 Volt/ 30 Amp Knife/ Blade Switch Disconnect near the 240 Volt plug. Definitely no push/pull disconnect typical for Air Conditioning units as seen in your prior video. Also, I don't like the idea or possibility of anyone getting their fingers on the blades of the 240 volt outlet with that daily plug and unplug. Don't know why Volvo reads to unplug it from the wall. Any experience with that Volvo read unplugging recommendation.
I would advise against unplugging after every use.
Shopped the original version, hoping the shell name meant quality. Once comparing, it seemed weak, so I went with a competitor - which I still use daily for work travel on a weekly basis. I'm glad I hesitated as it still beats this upgraded unit 😮
am i the only one that finds it weird that no rivian has an 80a AC input, esp with how large that battery can be?
I've mentioned it (and complained) in my videos many times.
I’m in complete agreement with you. - When Rivian reached out to me after 6 months of ownership asking for a review of my experiences, this is one area that I noted that should be improved. If there is additional cost involved, then make an 80amp charging option that is a paid upgrade. Not every owner may want or need it, but I would have appreciated having an option. My Tesla Wall Connector is on a 100amp circuit and is rated at 80a output. I would like to be able to take advantage of that sometimes.
Totally agree, I think EVs with >100 kWh batteries should have at least 64 amp chargers.
What’s going on with the GM EV working on Tesla Superchargers? Can you give us an update?
I wish I knew
I have this charger. Your power interruption issue, I see a similar variant of. When I charge my M3 with a schedule departure at 6:00AM it does not start in the evening. I woke up for my commute and it did have a charge. Only way I can use the charger is to not use the Tesla scheduled departure feature.
Tom when are you going to make videos on the Equinox?
I avoid Shell Recharge at all costs. My workplace installed dozens of their stations at multiple offices and about 10 months in some of the units started showing an error “payment required” even though as employees we all have free charging. It wouldn’t initiate a charge session. I worked with our maintenance team and they stated Shell Recharge states the new units less than a year old are now obsolete and they won’t perform any repairs for them. Complete joke of a company
Does this charger or any other charger you have reviewed been able to do load management? Specifically will it adapt its power draw when my house hold electrical panel is close to its max power draw.
Love the reviews and the channel I have learned a tonne.
The car can do load management working with the EVSE.
Have you been able to plot a charging curve with the Equinox yet? I would be very interested in seeing that. Thanks!
Tom do you think the LED is locked so the space for the 10KWh is a blank?
Where I live, you don't want black cables and handles in the sun. I welcome the unique color scheme.
It look like the Evgoer EVSE. It only does 32 amps and claims to have a 30 cord. Which I saw was only 27 feet long.
Yep, Looks like Shell is just selling their name and sticking it on random stuff from China. $149 for the 32amp version from other China brands with the same design. No wonder it has such a shady history like the 3 feet in missing cord. Ironically, the Evgoer has a 3 year warranty.
is that a design or an error with the Equinox not starting the charge after a power outage?
Wow i want That case
Getting by with 120v charging is completely doable If your daily average miles driven are in the vicinity of 60 or less, and you can be charging most of the time when parked. Eg you work from home, or have access to an outlet when parked at work. I’ve been doing it for almost 2 years.
You might need an occasional faster charge if you have bursts of more driving or a busy weekend, but otherwise it’s totally possible.
Da Maths: Typical sedan/hatch/crossover EV’s get about 3 miles per KWh of power used, and you can usually net at least 1KWh/hour after efficiency losses when charging off 120v @12a (1.4KW). If parked and charging 20hours/day that’s 60 miles a day.
The picture of their unit has a lot longer cable from the plug to the unit than your actual unit did. I would have docked them more just for having a 22-foot cable instead of the 25 they claimed. Shell needs to get their marketing to match the unit fixed yesterday.
Sorry not interested in spending that much h for a 'Nice' case. Great review Tom. I agree with your impressions. Sounds like She'll doesn't care about crossover customers from ICE to EV.😢
Unless you like the color combination, there are lots of other portable EVSE for cheaper than that. It's good to have other options though.
Tom, I’m thinking that you should start reviewing portable EVSEs that people can buy online as some people going on vacation might not be able to charge wherever they’re staying, like a cabin in the woods or an RV park. It could help consumers decide which portable EVSE would be best to purchase.
That's what this is. Are you saying I should review more of them?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyI think so, yeah! I’ve seen some portable EVSEs online from companies I’ve never heard of and I am skeptical about their reliability and if they’re even safety certified. On the other hand, I have seen some from companies that I have heard of and they look pretty great, but I also don’t know how reliable and tough they are and if they’re also safety certified.
I think you should have a standard deduction of 5-10 points for any misrepresentation, with minus 5 if it seems to be an oversight up to minus 10 if it’s obvious.
Just got a Fisker Wallbox 40 amp unit for $250.
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That's a great deal!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Indeed. Fisker fire sale.
You should review the Tesla Mobile Connector!
Not starting to charge if you don’t disconnect and reconnect is an issue I had with the previous Shell Recharge model. Phantom drain from Sentry Mode? Better unplug and plug it back in! I gave that thing away so a friend had a spare.
Better believe the Grizzl-e 40 amp is what replaced it when I finally started listening to Tom. Would’ve been a lot cheaper had I done that sooner.
lol checked the listing on mine and it claimed 30 feet. 😂
$279 and another $50 coupon? Wow, amazon. Mine was $499 in Oct 2022.
Tom , the power interruption test on the equinox or bolt , maybe the charging restart do not happen because it’s a safety issue and GM made it this way on purpose to protect the car. do think it’s a good thing the charge did not restart.
The main function of so call charger is just an extension cord with J1772 plug. The Tesla maybe the only one using the right name “charging cable “
The real charger is inside the car and do all transform AC DC to car high voltage battery pack. The wall charging station only take care two things. One is GFCI and the other is telling car charger the maximum safety current this cable can handle. So when fail to charge, the charging station side only needs checking GFCI issue. All the other problems are on the car side.
This is like an open book test for Shell and they still came up short in the cable testing. They should be calling their supplier today and negotiating a different cable and one that measures up to all the tests. 🤦🏻♂️ 43:22
Both sides on the unit, where the cables connect, look like they can be twisted off and removed...is the true? I'm looking for something like this as I need to run the EVSE cable through an underground PVC pipe.
Those are not meant to be removed. You'd still have to open up the unit and remove the wiring, it that's even possible without ruining it.
Hi Tom. Love your content. Do you know if most/all mobile charging cords have GFCI built in? I assume not.
Yes, they do. Unfortunately, that sometimes causes nuisance tripping.
If it's UL or ETL listed, it has to. But that only protects downstream of the lump in the cord. Which is why code requires you to have a GFCI breaker on a 14-50 (or other) receptacle installed for EV charging. When the plug isn't all the way in, the blades are exposed and energized.
Is the older one junk then? I have an old 1 which I have hardly used....😊
Pretty much, IMO. If it doesn't have the ETL stamp on the side then it's the old version
This might be perfect for a Mitsubishi outlander PHEV
What slat wall bracket are you using to mount the charger holder to?
I have the Garage Living slot wall system
I have a Tesla mobile connector that came with the car. I think that one is hard to beat, even if you don't have a Tesla. I think if I got a different vehicle with J1772, I'd buy another one (partially because I have a bunch of the different plug ends already) and buy something like Lectron's NACS to J1772 adapter.
No one else makes a good mobile unit with interchangeable plugs. Ford sort of does, but only has the 5-15 or 14-50 plugs. Was almost a waste to design it like Tesla's only to not make more than 2 plugs.
It looks really nice, but no NACS version? I would actually buy that, but I can’t. I don’t know why the industry is so slow to update 🤦♂️
Did you trade in the Bolt?
No he didn’t his dad is driving it
No, my 87 YO dad has his first EV!
Good job Tom!
You would think Shell would only release a premium product. Guess Shell is trash too.
Pretty sure this is just a rebranded Chinese EVSE. Shell didn't build it.
@@TechnicalLee100%, but the average consumer is going to associate the EVSE with Shell and it’s logo. I won’t be buying one. Wish Tesla had a 40A mobile EVSE.
Tesla did make a 40A for years. I still have two of the Gen 1 mobile chargers, one from my previous model S, and one I ordered back in the day. You can still find them online used.
After buying a Tesla Mobile Connector for $250 and seeing the quality of that unit, I can't see why someone would pay more for an inferior portable unit.
@@mowcowbell only reason I see is needing a J1772 plug. (But I wouldn't want this one in any case.)
One reason to buy this over the MC is display data and ability to reduce charging current. It nice for nerds, but not required for EV charging.
@@johnpoldo8817 Most vehicles let you adjust the amperage to the vehicle within their apps, so that ability would be redundant with the evse.
@@mowcowbell Yes, I agree. There must be several EV models that don’t allow amperage adjustment because Tom’s ChargerRater gives a merit point for this adjustment. I never use it because 11kW AC charging is minuscule compared to 200kW DC fast charging. When we unplug at 80%, most EVs are charging close to 80 kW.
I just made that comment. Even if I bought a J1772 vehicle, I'd buy the tesla mobile connector and Lectron's adapter.
Amazon has a $50 coupon as of Aug 26, 2024, not bad.
Where's the bucket test? At least spray it with the hose to test waterproofing.
Equinox?
It's coming, it's coming
I’ve never encountered a working Shell Recharge station in public. They are always broken. Ain’t no way I’m buying anything from them for home use 😂
The display is in kw/h - that's an per hourly rating, your talking kw/d - kilowatts delivered that's a total of kw/h times hours/mins/sec
That's not correct. The display has the kW reading AND the kWh reading. I was referring to the kWh reading, which is there to show you how many kWh was delivered during the charging session. Look at the video again, you'll see both the power delivery (kW) and the total energy delivered (kWh) next to each other on the screen.
Thanks for mentioning the elephant in the room at end of review. Why turquoise, yellow, and white? Are these new Shell colors?
Am I the only one who thinks it looks feminine? These light colors will show dirt quickly. Could that be the reason why others are black?
Given Shells outrageous climate change policies I make a point of avoiding anything to do with Shell including their ev charging stations. I'd much rather support honest companies trying to tackle climate change.
At 5:56 you say "it's going to automatically detect how much current your circuit can provide". That's dangerously incorrect. This doesn't do that and there's no way it could. The manual misleadingly talks about automatically detecting how much current your car needs, which isn't really true either but it's not not dangerous as thinking you can plug it into a 30 A circuit and it will detect that. The fact the manual is unclear about that in a way that fooled even an expert like you is a real problem. It says in one place "Ensure the circuit breaker of the outlet or the GFCI outlet supports current of 50 A or more," (which is confused about GFCI on 50 A outlets), but then also has a table of different circuit breaker sizes and settings. Those kinds of contradictions in important safety instructions are a red flag. As is the fact that it can do 16 A at 120 V and has a 5-15 plug and says it should only be used with a 5-15 receptacle.
I had the same thought about it being able to automatically detect the receptacle’s circuit current.
LOL, maybe the third review will be the charm...swing and a miss, try again!
MADE IN CHINA.... enough said
Actually a 14-50 should be on a 60 amp circuit. For continuous duty you should have 10% over for continuous service
@@boeingav8tr525you need the receptacle rating and the breaker to be 125% of the actual current. For 48 A charging you would need a 60 A receptacle as well as a 60 A breaker. In practice, you hardwire for 48 A charging. And on a 50A receptacle, a 50 A breaker and charge at no more than 40 A.
NEMA 14-50 outlets are perfectly fine and in accordance with NEC when installed on a 50-amp circuit. EV charging equipment that utilizes a NEMA 14-50 plug is designed to draw a maximum of 40-amps which is 80% of the 50-amp circuit and follows the continuous load rule.
Nope, a NEMA 14-50 outlet has to be on either a 40A or 50A breaker only. A 60 amp breaker exceeds the amperage rating of the receptacle and is not allowed. With a 50A breaker, you can only charge at 40A continuous (max rate for a 14-50 outlet). It's the 80% rule, not 10% rule.
Makes sense coming from Boeing 😂
I own the previous one, and my main issue with it is that the selectable current option seems to skip around on it's own. Feels like a fault in the selector button, perhaps. Works fine for a slower charging vehicle (my son's BMW i3), but not so great for my Lightning.
@@NSFWHarold That's alarming and a good example of why that approach isn't allowed by code. The current setting needs to be reliable and locked down per code, if you are going to use it on a circuit that can't do the max.