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This was a tough one to make for obvious reasons but as always, I will continue to show you all aspects of my fish keeping journey. The good...the bad...the ugly and the painful. After all, it is part of everyone journey and not only my own.
@@MDFishTanks It was very difficult to watch the vid as well . Hopefully we get to know what the problem was🥺. Maybe it was the water temp only because the quality of the water was quite pristine or maybe aggression but I haven't watched the whole vid yet , hopefully the others are all fine !
I have keeping Discus for 30 years and here's a scenario I witnessed only a couple times. One time I was working in a tank and in the next tank I heard the loudest "knock" it sounded like a glass being hit with a rubber mallet. I looked over and a discus had smacked the side of the tank, super healthy. He did 4 spins a died right in front of me, I couldn't believe I was watching it was so loud. The other times they were stunned but pulled out of it. As far as a small Discus in a group, in my experience there is always a bottom fish on the pecking order, if you take the fish out another takes the bottom position, think of a wolf pack, they are 100% cichlids. Just observation over the years. Enjoy your channel thanks for sharing and being real! S.Heller
i used to breed discus and at one point had a 10 foot long display tank, i had to get rid of it, anything that startled them and the just swam head first from end to end, i lost a couple of good breeders, paint the glass ends even if it's in a two or three feet tank
This is my thought as well. At feeding time one of my discus often does a sudden thrash, which could cause a strike on the top or side glass. Sorry. I actually grieve when I lose a fish.
I kept discus for about 10 years and gave up mostly because of what you said about the pecking order (and hexamita which goes along with that). everyone says to keep discus in larger groups to reduce aggression but I found that didnt work -larger numbers for me just equaled more breeding pairs which led to more aggresion and discus getting killed. If you lose 1 or 2 I found its next to impossible to find ones large enough to replace them.
Fish loss is always the hardest to cope with, especially when you think there’s something you could have done. The hardest part of the hobby for me, sorry for your loss but thankful for your realness. Chin up MD, keep making great content! We the people appreciate you and so do all your aquatic life!!
The downfalls of keeping discus! It’s always gutting. I kept discus for years, starting out in planted tanks but after years of trial and error realised that it was just too hard to keep plants and discus alive. The water temps are too high to not get algae blooms. Also discus are terrible eaters and need feeding too often to not get Nitrate spikes. In the end I went with set ups where you could vacuum all the substrate and did 50% water changes weekly. RO water preheated in a water butt. This was 100% successful and never lost a fish after that.
I was also watching George farmer recently and he had to redo his discus tank too for similar reasons. I think discus and planted tanks just don't mix long term
I'm so sorry for your loss mate, its a hard pill to swallow, but as fish keepers its an unfortunately part of the hobby, hopefully the rest are all doing well, md I know you don't use heaters as your whole building is heated but as its so cold outside maybe the temperature drooped to low over night, I know my own tanks have! Just a thought mate, keep us all updated please, and try not to beat yourself up to much these thing happen, your an amazing fish keeper! 🤜 merry Christmas to you and your family!
Sorry to hear about the loss, here’s my experience with discus and what I think the problem was: I used to keep my discus at 80 degrees and I didn’t like their energy levels, I bumped it up to 84 degrees slowly and boom they started acting like brand new fish, so much energy, so interactive, eating like absolute pigs. With your discus, I don’t think it was a water quality issue or even an aggression issue, I think the water temp dropped too much because of the weather and whatnot and like I said even 80 degrees is too cold for discus IMO. I’m sure you’ll figure it out, much love MD ❤️
I was so shocked when I saw the title so please accept my condolences. It was still a good video as it showed how we can take a tough situation and make something better out of it. I hope the rest of the discus are with you for even more years to come.
Hello MD. From my years of keeping discus. It's always bacterial infection that kills discus. It's not worms usually or water condition as in ammonia. This is always related to bacteria and daily water changes are so so important. Your tanks are lovely but at the same time with all that gravel and plants you cannot keep ultra clean water. All poo and food needs to be removed Daily. We have currently 8 tanks of discus and they get cleaned twice a day. Not exaggerating at all. Every morning and every night. Over the years we have lost discus and it sux, but keep bacteria at a super low by water changes. Bacteria is in every tank always and even when a test kit says water is perfect still change water daily. All the best and merry Christmas.
Sorry for your loss, i think I pointed out about that orange one being mostly at the back in a previous comment before (Not the small one that died before). I think it had something wrong with it from the get go. I would treat the fish with praziquantel 2 doses 1 week apart and pure metronidazole for 10 days since they seem to have some sort of internal problem (not api gencure since the dose is on the weak side). The thin blue one will probably go next unless you treat your fish. Try to closeley inspect the fish's face and see if there are tiny little holes suggestive of hole in the head disease.
Just make sure any medication you use in that tank is ok for cories as they are super sensitive to drugs that do not harm other fish. I would treat them in a separate tank.
Sorry for your loss mate…it is always hard to loose a fish especially of that size. I have found out that plant wise, Amazon sword plants and vallisneria gigantea work best. They form great visual barriers but still leave open spaces for the discus to swim through AND they make great spots for the discus to lay there eggs. So some nice big pieces of wood with those plants wood look great. Discus should be kept on 30C u can keep em a bit lower but they thrive on that temp. It is too hot for some of the corys. If I’m not mistaken the sterbais do well on those higher temps but those albino’s weither they are aneus or paleatus prefer colder temps. Maybe u could do some research on what other fish share their biotope with discus so u can have some cool species that do well on those higher temps too. I notice you have a lot of bristlenose plecos in your tanks but if you are ever looking into a more unique species that are still effective algae eaters I could recommend the Farlowella genus! And they aren’t that hard to breed either! Very unique and interesting fish.
Love seeing how much you really care for your fish. Even if it may have been a mistake on your part (which I'm not saying at was at all) we all know you do your very best
@@michaelgallacher4800 Don’t be a dick. He literally had breeding behavior at one point in there. The discus were clearly happy and healthy, things just take a turn at some point and we need to learn from it.
@@michaelgallacher4800 Somewhat overdramatic hyperbole, don't you think? If he only cared about plants, then why is this video him agreeing that the fish needed more space, and removing nearly all of the plant and rescaping so the discus had more space? Oh no! he agreed that the set up wasn't perfect for them and fixed it! WHAT A MONSTER. "Hope the fish die so they ain't stuck in that hell" lmao. What a ridiculous, hysterical reaction! You must be an incredibly difficult person to be around IRL. Expecting perfection from everyone, and attacking them in a stupidly over the top way if they make a mistake, even if they admit it and try to fix it. And if a huge tank, a dedicated keeper and pristine water conditions is hell, then man, most tanks must be even worse than hell! What a drama queen with a mean streak you are.
Either the Corys are too hot or the Discus are too cold. Based on this death, I would suggest the water temp is just too cold and it’s causing the discus to struggle and stress. Raise temp slowly to 30 or 31 where they will start eating better and should put on some weight and become healthier. Good luck.
@@MDFishTanks that's true , but I mean like I don't think that the temperature would be the cause of the fish dying. I think that it had to do with aggression, because I had in my tank 3 angelfish. there was 1 pair and then a male on his own. but the male didn't like that so one day I came in to look at the tank and some that de male of the pair was killed by the male who was on his own.
I have had stendker discus for 8yrs and learned a lot, many times been in this position my self. Some deaths have been my own fault. I learned that soil didn't work with discus, plants work but need to be fast growing types like limnophila sessiflora for use off all the nutrients in the water, Cory's help to eat the leftovers. I used bloodworms my discus got sick. I feed 2 times a day they got skinny. Stendker recommend 3 times a day and their beef heart. I tried flake food and granules 3 times a day they got skinny. Many people say it isn't beef heart in nature but there isnt stendker discus in nature either.
I haven’t watched yet, but my heart breaks for you MD :( I was just rewatching your discus tank journey. I know they meant a lot to you. Hugs and healing for you
I really must say that although I'm sad you lost one of your beautiful fish this tank remodel has become my favorite the simplicity, the elegance and beauty of this tank is breathtaking well done
MD, im sorry for the loss... whatever way you look at it, Discus are hard to keep fish. They need almost every parameter in the tank to be on point. That beeing said, Stendker Discus are the most hardy when it comes to different Discus breeds across europe. I am keeping a groupe of 9 Stendker fish in a heavily planted tank myself and got no issues whatsovever. I think the most important thing they need to thrive is a balanced diet with alot of nutrients and protein. I feed 4-5 times a day in smaller portions. Discus have no sense of how much they are acutally eating, so its best to feed them small portions 3 - 5 times throughout the day. Also, the more fish the better, as the agression in smaller groups is always way worse than in bigger ones. The fish like to be kept in really warm water (29,5 plus) which also helps with their interest in food. In that case, oxygen in form of an airstone or an oxydator might be a helpfull addition to your tank, as the plants and the surface movement might not be enough to provide a healthy amount of O in such warm waters. Remember to keep going and I am sure your fish will be in best health :-) Best of luck to your new tank setup and greetings from Germany :)
It’s always the worst losing fish that big. Unfortunately, hit and miss is sometimes the way we learn to keep the remaining alive and thriving. Your work is amazing! I love that you share your fish journey.
Sorry for your loss. New scape looks very naturalistic. I like it. 25:00 about the barbels. some people use sandblasting sand in their tanks and some of this stuff is really sharp This is the only detrimental substrate. All natural sand is just fine. Bacterial infections is a big reason as well indeed.
I came across your videos on the recommended tab & im addicted. it makes me so happy how well you care for them & treat them. every animal in your care from shrimp to fish etc are so happy and that makes my soul smile.. cheers
This is not going to help you at all but I had similar experience. Got a 100 gallon very heavily planted tank and bought 10 blue diamond discus about 32 inches diameter from a local hobbyist. Did everything right, grossly over-filtered, twice weekly 50% water changes using RO/DI water, temperature 28.5 water parameters absolutely spot on. Fed them mainly with beefheart using the recipe used by Jack Wattley Discus. They grew well and coloured up beautifully. Came down one day after about 5 months and two were dead, one on the bottom and the other floating. There had been no sign of abnormal behaviour 8 hours earlier and even though dead they were unmarked. I immediately checked water parameters and everything was fine. I removed the dead fish but other than doing a water change I had no idea why they had died so could not treat them for anything. That was nearly a year ago and the remaining 8 fish are fine, they never showed any sign of distress or illness at that time or at any time since then. To this day I have no idea why they died, all I can say is that sometimes sh1t happens.
So sorry for the loss of your Discus. Touched my heart to see it lying there, so beautiful and healthy looking. I am a new to fishkeeping, and my first loss was a batch of 10 Carbon rili shrimp...over the course of few weeks. Everything was perfect, my water matched that of the store, they were all healthy and active...then I gave them some of the free food the sop gave me as part of the sale, that's when they all started dying. I had no idea that could have been the problem, and not sure if it was...but I did everything right. I take it to heart because that's a life that I chose to be responsible for. But sometimes things are out of our control or understanding I guess. Thank you for sharing ❤️
So sorry for your loss. I just lost a fish I’ve got had for awhile, female betta. I’m glad everything is back to normal. Have a wonderful holiday season regardless. You have a beautiful wife and children to lift your spirits.
Very sorry about your loss. Bravo to you for being brave enough to acknowledge the ups and downs of aquarium ownership in front of such a large audience.
So sorry MD. Never easy losing a fish, the big ones are really hard. Especially, when your Discus are always watching everything you do. You gave him/her a Good Life!!
Hey I'm so sorry for your loss I've resently also had a couple fish pass away, it's not a nice feeling and I hope you don't feel to bad but these things happen. Keep doing what your doing I love your videos and you inspired me to start the fish keeping hobbie. Thanks.
It's never easy when we loose something in this hobby, we always feel like we have a responsibility to make the best home possible for all these guys. I'd chance my arm and speak for all the people reading this..... You give all your fish a really good home! Bad things happen but it's most definitely not your fault! Chin up mate!
Im so sorry MD… I think it possibly died of a chronic disease because if it were killed by the aggressive discus there would’ve been marks all ofer it. to me it looks like it just died in its sleep so maybe a heart attack or something. Thanks for looping us in and not acting like it didn’t happen. Your a great fish keeper and i think it is just anomaly. Also make surebits not a problem, with discus it should be stupid warm
We feel you bro it's the nasty part to the hobby its gutting its happened so close to christmas glad you're keeping your chin up and not letting this get the better of you and have a lovely Christmas
Sorry to hear about your fish. It's clear that you care a lot about them. I enjoy your enthusiasm for aquascaping and you've given me lots of ideas. Thank you and Happy Holidays.
I too have kept Discus for a very long time. You just never know what can happen. They are absolute Primadonnas at times it's part of the interest in keeping them. I did worry about two things watching your videos. You seemed to feed them only flakes (I might be wrong). These are massive fish and need a variety of foods. If you were feeding flakes just once a day that certainly isn't enough food for those beasts! The problem with a planted tank and yours was gorgeous by the way. (I loved looking at it and wondered how you managed to keep them so healthy), is that if there were pellets and other kinds of food settled on the bottom, they will spend hours grazing on the bottom. That isn't a bad thing despite what some will tell you. They probably can't in yours as it was so heavily planted. This also gives the less dominant ones more time to eat when the boss has finished getting their fill of food. That might explain one or two getting a little skinny. The tank now looks much more like a Discus tank should look with a few hiding places but much more room to get out of the way when scrapping with each other which they will always do. It also means more room for a few more Discus!! Nudge Nudge Wink Wink!! lol. Keep up the good work dude you are by far my favourite you tuber. You're passion is infectious to us all. I also love the way you listen to your fans and act upon their guidance. All the best for the new year and rest assured I will continue to watch you for a long time to come. Much Love Ste x
I'm sorry for the loss of your fin-baby, it was sad, for sure. Also wanted to say that the way you transfer the fish is so gentle and caring and careful. Such a nice experience as a viewer, and personally, is much appreciated. Thank you! I just started watching today and am so stoked to have found your channel :)
one of the hidden killers is also Ich hidden in the gills, not popping up on the skin but directly attacking gills, the fish suffocates at some point, in the meantime getting emaciated.... I made this experience a few years ago...
Oh man, so sad to see this. Glad you’re making some positive changes to their environment, though. The new temps at 30C should really help and I want to echo the comments on improving their diet. There really isn’t a flake food that seems to be a complete diet for Discus so I hope you’ll give them some beef heart daily for a few weeks to fatten them up. All of them do look a bit emaciated but I think you can turn them around. Love what you do, MD. Keep at it!
Sorry for the loss MD. I live in Belgium and I ma in fishkeeping for over 50 years. I personality have seen the quality of fish gone down over the years, due to inbreeding, line breeding etc. I think we have heer the same problem as With koi. The high quality fish are strictly line bred nu have low resistance against parasites and so on. Try to use some kind of uvc (hydra filter system) or ozone and the problems will be gone. Grts, Stef
Agreed. Discus I bred in the 80's & early 90's were F1 & F2 out of wild types. Started with 8 from one place, and 8 from another = 5 breeding pairs and definitely not inbred. I quit breeding, and didn't keep live bearers for almost 30 years (haven't bred anything since 1999) and the bettas I got just before quarantine had major health struggles, and so have all the live bearers except for the endlers...
It is so frustrating when out of nowhere you have a dead fish and no culprit as off what happened. I like the new aquascape, you really are an amazingly talented artist, seriously!
I believe they may have some internal parasites as if you look at their stomachs they're still snuck in. Although good for plants, nitrates can create environments such parasites. I think with a basic internal parasites treatment and nice hot 30degree water would helps heaps. Love your vids btw, keep up the good work :)
Sorry to hear about the Discus, tank looks great, but you mentioned "line of sight" breaks for the aggression?? Especially with the rescape and the breeding it might initiate. Also might need to remove 1 of the 2 white lights, since the plants have been greatly reduced.
I'm under a minute in, and I just have to tell you that my deepest condolences. I've been watching you come and say hi to this school for a while now, and know how much they mean to you.
Mobil UA-cam deleted my text, så just a short retype: Sorry for you loss. The fish looked healthy, so it might have rammed the glass, as a much more experienced Discus keeper than me already noted. (I remember noting this when researching for my own tank) The skinny fish might be due to your limited number of discus. usually a rule of thumb is either a pair for breeding, 10+ fish in a group to avoid bullying. (Seen the effects of that in pet stores). Another reason for the skinny fish could be parasites, and I remember you feeding a large amount of defrosted worms. I cannot remember the details of the feed, but stendker. Stendker recommends that you avoid red mosquito larvae and Tubifex (live in unsanitary water), and Cyclopes are not recommended either as they are often infected with tape worms. Crossing my fingers for the rest of the pack.
Sorry for the loss. 😞I know the feeling as a fellow fishkeeper, but for what it's worth, it is a part of life. Though very sad, its an even more important part of the life cycle. Thank you for sharing. These instances I feel bring us closer as fishkeepers, and makes our hobby much more personable. Keep it going! 👊🏾
I love it when people talk about how we should avoid keeping cories on anything but smooth sand and gravel. It's so wrong. In the wild, as you noted Cory at Aquarium Co-op showed, their environment is rough gravels and sands. Nothing smooth. And they do great in the wild!
It seems sooner or later, most discus keepers end up with lightly planted tanks at most (for discus). It's sad what happened, but the tank really cleaned up and fish look happy.
So sorry for your lose buddy definitely made me sad I know the discuss are some of your favorites, hopefully the new scape will bring you enjoyment and help distract from the loss, maybe some new discus buddies would help as well, keep up the great work man your an inspiration to us all 👏✊🙏
It's always sad to lose a fish, but I feel like I was able to learn what to do, just in case I encounter the same situation. The footage of the tank after the re-scape was beautiful! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
We all have our good share of loss of fish, but that is just part of this hobby mate! Merry Christmas and looking forward to more great videos in 2022!
I stumbled across ur channel today and this channel is awesome dude. I love nature especially tropical/clear waters and I'd love to have a tank like one of yours. I wouldn't be able to properly care for it as I know nothing but it's very entertaining to watch. Def one of my new favorite channels, hands down.
oh no! so so sorry for your loss :( I hope you get to the bottom to this asap. Please don't let it ruin the festive season. All the best to you, your loved ones and all the beautiful fishies and plants
You can really tell you're super sad about the discus with how the tone of your voice is and that, sorry for the loss its hard losing something you grow a bond with even if people see it as just a fish, they're no less than a dog or a cat really, hope you come to a full conclusion of what it was with the cause of death, keep safe and keep smashing the videos out 👌
Check out George Farmer`s videos about his Discus tank... he struggled too and had to re-scape to an non-planted tank and since his Discus thrive... the amount of food that is needed to keep them happy and the debris/poop that makes it into the soil/ground ( which I would have reduced by atleast 2/3 ) will be a struggle for them if you not siphon and do weekly 50% water changes.... sorry for your loss.
When my discus have looked thin like that and I feed them a lot. I treat them with esha hexamita and esha gdex at the same time (it’s allowed) and it’s worked like a treat. No problems after and they start putting on weight again. +++ beefheart😂 sorry for your loss
Sorry for your loss mate. It’s always gutting when you loose a fish. I lost one of my Betta’s a little while ago in a freak accident. Was heartbroken. It sucks and I hope that the tank and all the other fishies are all ok
My discus all thrive better in a slightly black water setup, so it’s easier to give up on the crystal clear water, and work along side a heavy based bogwood setup and keep the water with its tannins higher. Also temp for them works better at 30 degrees going slightly higher than your using. But I adore discus they are just stunning- the jewel of the fish keeping world ❤
Sad to see that MD. Have you seen the videos from George Farmer on his Discus tank, and the issues he ran into as well? His Discus tank was heavy planted and he went completely the other way with amazing results for the fish. Maybe worth to have a looksy if you still have worries about the fish.
I hate you lost a discus it was a stunner. They may need a deworming for safety sake. That is a costly loss as well. On a second point, may you have a very merry Christmas with you family. May you have a blessed and joyful holidays.
Sorry for the loss of the discus...Its so hard to loose a fish. The new scape looks amazing and in my opinion its better than before. I think less is more when your have big beautiful fish as the show piece in a tank. The before set up was gorgeous...cant have too many plants haha but the plants took away from your beautiful Discus fish.
Sorry about your loss. But just like a good keeper would, you got right to work to try to make it better. Although I sure don't think it had anything to do with quality. I like the new set up, I think it will be better for them. I hope you think about replacing them at some point, I really like watching your discus tank, I can't have that big of a tank so I live through yours. 😊 Great job.
MD!!! I was literally gonna buy your Thicc hoodie last week but then got the hint my gf got me one…I just opened it and the fit IS AWESOOOOOME!! Easily my favorite hoodie, thanks MD!! Happy holidays!!!
Very sorry for your loss. He was so beautiful. And such mysterious loss always leaves one wondering... Very unsettling. But keep your chin up. Its just nature I guess.
Scaping is the hardest with these guys, as the water quality is very important. I had mine and took away the initial substrate to ensure that they can eat well and I can better manage a cleaner tank all the time.
Got an orange stendker discus that’s swimming vertical and swollen abdomen as well. Tried Baytril as stendker recommended and well as methertrexate and it hasn’t shifted it. 😞. Totally lost as you what to Do
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she died of old age like people
This was a tough one to make for obvious reasons but as always, I will continue to show you all aspects of my fish keeping journey. The good...the bad...the ugly and the painful. After all, it is part of everyone journey and not only my own.
Thanks for keeping it real!
@@szn18ca21 Always. Hopefully we turned this horrible situation into a positive come the end though.
Why couldn't it just be old age??
Natural time to die???
Thank you for showing this instead of hiding it
@@MDFishTanks It was very difficult to watch the vid as well . Hopefully we get to know what the problem was🥺. Maybe it was the water temp only because the quality of the water was quite pristine or maybe aggression but I haven't watched the whole vid yet , hopefully the others are all fine !
I have keeping Discus for 30 years and here's a scenario I witnessed only a couple times. One time I was working in a tank and in the next tank I heard the loudest "knock" it sounded like a glass being hit with a rubber mallet. I looked over and a discus had smacked the side of the tank, super healthy. He did 4 spins a died right in front of me, I couldn't believe I was watching it was so loud. The other times they were stunned but pulled out of it. As far as a small Discus in a group, in my experience there is always a bottom fish on the pecking order, if you take the fish out another takes the bottom position, think of a wolf pack, they are 100% cichlids. Just observation over the years. Enjoy your channel thanks for sharing and being real!
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You got a new subscriber brother
i used to breed discus and at one point had a 10 foot long display tank, i had to get rid of it, anything that startled them and the just swam head first from end to end, i lost a couple of good breeders, paint the glass ends even if it's in a two or three feet tank
This is my thought as well. At feeding time one of my discus often does a sudden thrash, which could cause a strike on the top or side glass. Sorry. I actually grieve when I lose a fish.
I kept discus for about 10 years and gave up mostly because of what you said about the pecking order (and hexamita which goes along with that). everyone says to keep discus in larger groups to reduce aggression but I found that didnt work -larger numbers for me just equaled more breeding pairs which led to more aggresion and discus getting killed. If you lose 1 or 2 I found its next to impossible to find ones large enough to replace them.
Dude thought he was a hammerhead shark and headbutted the glass
Fish loss is always the hardest to cope with, especially when you think there’s something you could have done. The hardest part of the hobby for me, sorry for your loss but thankful for your realness. Chin up MD, keep making great content! We the people appreciate you and so do all your aquatic life!!
The downfalls of keeping discus! It’s always gutting. I kept discus for years, starting out in planted tanks but after years of trial and error realised that it was just too hard to keep plants and discus alive. The water temps are too high to not get algae blooms. Also discus are terrible eaters and need feeding too often to not get Nitrate spikes. In the end I went with set ups where you could vacuum all the substrate and did 50% water changes weekly. RO water preheated in a water butt. This was 100% successful and never lost a fish after that.
I was also watching George farmer recently and he had to redo his discus tank too for similar reasons. I think discus and planted tanks just don't mix long term
It does look like that skinny fish needs treating for flukes. Another issue discus suffer from!
Thats the way to keep discusfish and a low ph.
Thanks for the info! Im one year into keeping. I'll have to make some changes.
same thoughts
I'm so sorry for your loss mate, its a hard pill to swallow, but as fish keepers its an unfortunately part of the hobby, hopefully the rest are all doing well, md I know you don't use heaters as your whole building is heated but as its so cold outside maybe the temperature drooped to low over night, I know my own tanks have! Just a thought mate, keep us all updated please, and try not to beat yourself up to much these thing happen, your an amazing fish keeper! 🤜 merry Christmas to you and your family!
Ya but doesn’t that one have the in filter thermometer?
He has heaters on the discus, there in the filter if I remember correctly
I gave up one fish keeping for a long time due to my fish freezing. I thought I did something wrong..
He does have a heater for the discus, it’s the oase thermo so it has a built in heater!
proper bloke that one, proper discus 😭
Sorry to hear about the loss, here’s my experience with discus and what I think the problem was: I used to keep my discus at 80 degrees and I didn’t like their energy levels, I bumped it up to 84 degrees slowly and boom they started acting like brand new fish, so much energy, so interactive, eating like absolute pigs. With your discus, I don’t think it was a water quality issue or even an aggression issue, I think the water temp dropped too much because of the weather and whatnot and like I said even 80 degrees is too cold for discus IMO. I’m sure you’ll figure it out, much love MD ❤️
80 degrees? sounds like a good recipe for a fish soup!
@@bobdole8830 discus thrive at 85f dude
I'm so glad you gave the discus the extra space they needed. Your tank looks fabulous. I absolutely love your room.
I was so shocked when I saw the title so please accept my condolences. It was still a good video as it showed how we can take a tough situation and make something better out of it. I hope the rest of the discus are with you for even more years to come.
Hello MD.
From my years of keeping discus. It's always bacterial infection that kills discus. It's not worms usually or water condition as in ammonia.
This is always related to bacteria and daily water changes are so so important. Your tanks are lovely but at the same time with all that gravel and plants you cannot keep ultra clean water. All poo and food needs to be removed Daily. We have currently 8 tanks of discus and they get cleaned twice a day. Not exaggerating at all. Every morning and every night.
Over the years we have lost discus and it sux, but keep bacteria at a super low by water changes. Bacteria is in every tank always and even when a test kit says water is perfect still change water daily. All the best and merry Christmas.
Sorry for your loss, i think I pointed out about that orange one being mostly at the back in a previous comment before (Not the small one that died before). I think it had something wrong with it from the get go. I would treat the fish with praziquantel 2 doses 1 week apart and pure metronidazole for 10 days since they seem to have some sort of internal problem (not api gencure since the dose is on the weak side). The thin blue one will probably go next unless you treat your fish. Try to closeley inspect the fish's face and see if there are tiny little holes suggestive of hole in the head disease.
Just make sure any medication you use in that tank is ok for cories as they are super sensitive to drugs that do not harm other fish.
I would treat them in a separate tank.
Sorry for your loss mate…it is always hard to loose a fish especially of that size. I have found out that plant wise, Amazon sword plants and vallisneria gigantea work best. They form great visual barriers but still leave open spaces for the discus to swim through AND they make great spots for the discus to lay there eggs. So some nice big pieces of wood with those plants wood look great.
Discus should be kept on 30C u can keep em a bit lower but they thrive on that temp. It is too hot for some of the corys. If I’m not mistaken the sterbais do well on those higher temps but those albino’s weither they are aneus or paleatus prefer colder temps.
Maybe u could do some research on what other fish share their biotope with discus so u can have some cool species that do well on those higher temps too.
I notice you have a lot of bristlenose plecos in your tanks but if you are ever looking into a more unique species that are still effective algae eaters I could recommend the Farlowella genus! And they aren’t that hard to breed either! Very unique and interesting fish.
That’s tough especially seeing the entire journey of the discus. Thanks for always being 💯 real!
Love seeing how much you really care for your fish. Even if it may have been a mistake on your part (which I'm not saying at was at all) we all know you do your very best
@@michaelgallacher4800 Don’t be a dick. He literally had breeding behavior at one point in there. The discus were clearly happy and healthy, things just take a turn at some point and we need to learn from it.
@@michaelgallacher4800 Somewhat overdramatic hyperbole, don't you think?
If he only cared about plants, then why is this video him agreeing that the fish needed more space, and removing nearly all of the plant and rescaping so the discus had more space? Oh no! he agreed that the set up wasn't perfect for them and fixed it! WHAT A MONSTER.
"Hope the fish die so they ain't stuck in that hell" lmao. What a ridiculous, hysterical reaction! You must be an incredibly difficult person to be around IRL. Expecting perfection from everyone, and attacking them in a stupidly over the top way if they make a mistake, even if they admit it and try to fix it. And if a huge tank, a dedicated keeper and pristine water conditions is hell, then man, most tanks must be even worse than hell! What a drama queen with a mean streak you are.
Either the Corys are too hot or the Discus are too cold. Based on this death, I would suggest the water temp is just too cold and it’s causing the discus to struggle and stress. Raise temp slowly to 30 or 31 where they will start eating better and should put on some weight and become healthier. Good luck.
thanks for the advice Jacob. I've currently got it set to 28.5c and will up it to 30c
I don't agree with you really because he has kept his discus like that for many months now.
@Soul of a robot 28.5c is 83.3F, 30c is 86F
@@jacktinga3581 It can be confusing Jack but having looked further and further, the higher temperatures reduce the risk of parasites and infection.
@@MDFishTanks that's true , but I mean like I don't think that the temperature would be the cause of the fish dying. I think that it had to do with aggression, because I had in my tank 3 angelfish. there was 1 pair and then a male on his own. but the male didn't like that so one day I came in to look at the tank and some that de male of the pair was killed by the male who was on his own.
I am so sorry for your loss! what a beauty of a wish it was. 😪
Soooo sad you lost another discus!! Sorry for your loss MD. Tank looks great after re build and the Cory's are such a delight
I have had stendker discus for 8yrs and learned a lot, many times been in this position my self. Some deaths have been my own fault. I learned that soil didn't work with discus, plants work but need to be fast growing types like limnophila sessiflora for use off all the nutrients in the water, Cory's help to eat the leftovers. I used bloodworms my discus got sick. I feed 2 times a day they got skinny. Stendker recommend 3 times a day and their beef heart. I tried flake food and granules 3 times a day they got skinny. Many people say it isn't beef heart in nature but there isnt stendker discus in nature either.
I haven’t watched yet, but my heart breaks for you MD :( I was just rewatching your discus tank journey. I know they meant a lot to you. Hugs and healing for you
I really must say that although I'm sad you lost one of your beautiful fish this tank remodel has become my favorite the simplicity, the elegance and beauty of this tank is breathtaking well done
MD, im sorry for the loss... whatever way you look at it, Discus are hard to keep fish. They need almost every parameter in the tank to be on point. That beeing said, Stendker Discus are the most hardy when it comes to different Discus breeds across europe. I am keeping a groupe of 9 Stendker fish in a heavily planted tank myself and got no issues whatsovever. I think the most important thing they need to thrive is a balanced diet with alot of nutrients and protein. I feed 4-5 times a day in smaller portions. Discus have no sense of how much they are acutally eating, so its best to feed them small portions 3 - 5 times throughout the day. Also, the more fish the better, as the agression in smaller groups is always way worse than in bigger ones. The fish like to be kept in really warm water (29,5 plus) which also helps with their interest in food. In that case, oxygen in form of an airstone or an oxydator might be a helpfull addition to your tank, as the plants and the surface movement might not be enough to provide a healthy amount of O in such warm waters. Remember to keep going and I am sure your fish will be in best health :-) Best of luck to your new tank setup and greetings from Germany :)
All of this!
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I wish I could feed them 4/5 times a day, but I have to leave home for work morning 8 and I am back evening pm... impossible
It’s always the worst losing fish that big. Unfortunately, hit and miss is sometimes the way we learn to keep the remaining alive and thriving. Your work is amazing! I love that you share your fish journey.
Sorry for your loss.
New scape looks very naturalistic.
I like it.
25:00 about the barbels.
some people use sandblasting sand in their tanks and some of this stuff is really sharp
This is the only detrimental substrate.
All natural sand is just fine.
Bacterial infections is a big reason as well indeed.
I came across your videos on the recommended tab & im addicted. it makes me so happy how well you care for them & treat them. every animal in your care from shrimp to fish etc are so happy and that makes my soul smile.. cheers
This is not going to help you at all but I had similar experience.
Got a 100 gallon very heavily planted tank and bought 10 blue diamond discus about 32 inches diameter from a local hobbyist. Did everything right, grossly over-filtered, twice weekly 50% water changes using RO/DI water, temperature 28.5 water parameters absolutely spot on. Fed them mainly with beefheart using the recipe used by Jack Wattley Discus. They grew well and coloured up beautifully.
Came down one day after about 5 months and two were dead, one on the bottom and the other floating. There had been no sign of abnormal behaviour 8 hours earlier and even though dead they were unmarked. I immediately checked water parameters and everything was fine. I removed the dead fish but other than doing a water change I had no idea why they had died so could not treat them for anything. That was nearly a year ago and the remaining 8 fish are fine, they never showed any sign of distress or illness at that time or at any time since then.
To this day I have no idea why they died, all I can say is that sometimes sh1t happens.
Don't feed your fish beef heart, they can't digest it
So sorry for the loss of your Discus. Touched my heart to see it lying there, so beautiful and healthy looking. I am a new to fishkeeping, and my first loss was a batch of 10 Carbon rili shrimp...over the course of few weeks. Everything was perfect, my water matched that of the store, they were all healthy and active...then I gave them some of the free food the sop gave me as part of the sale, that's when they all started dying. I had no idea that could have been the problem, and not sure if it was...but I did everything right. I take it to heart because that's a life that I chose to be responsible for. But sometimes things are out of our control or understanding I guess.
Thank you for sharing ❤️
Sorry for your loss. We fish as fish hobbyists it hurts to lose one if your favorites. I really like what you did to the tank. Looks real good.
So sorry for your loss. I just lost a fish I’ve got had for awhile, female betta. I’m glad everything is back to normal.
Have a wonderful holiday season regardless. You have a beautiful wife and children to lift your spirits.
Very sorry about your loss. Bravo to you for being brave enough to acknowledge the ups and downs of aquarium ownership in front of such a large audience.
So sorry MD. Never easy losing a fish, the big ones are really hard. Especially, when your Discus are always watching everything you do. You gave him/her a Good Life!!
Hey I'm so sorry for your loss I've resently also had a couple fish pass away, it's not a nice feeling and I hope you don't feel to bad but these things happen. Keep doing what your doing I love your videos and you inspired me to start the fish keeping hobbie. Thanks.
It's never easy when we loose something in this hobby, we always feel like we have a responsibility to make the best home possible for all these guys. I'd chance my arm and speak for all the people reading this..... You give all your fish a really good home! Bad things happen but it's most definitely not your fault! Chin up mate!
Im so sorry MD…
I think it possibly died of a chronic disease because if it were killed by the aggressive discus there would’ve been marks all ofer it. to me it looks like it just died in its sleep so maybe a heart attack or something. Thanks for looping us in and not acting like it didn’t happen. Your a great fish keeper and i think it is just anomaly. Also make surebits not a problem, with discus it should be stupid warm
So gutted for you 😩 but I absolutely love the way you have rearranged the tank. Sometimes less is more as they say and this looks really good.🐠
I'm so sorry for your loss. The discus are enigmatic and such a presence in your videos. I can tell that they mean a great deal to you.
We feel you bro it's the nasty part to the hobby its gutting its happened so close to christmas glad you're keeping your chin up and not letting this get the better of you and have a lovely Christmas
I had a similar problem so I raised the temperature to 30c, that fixed the problem ( sorry for your loss )
Sorry to hear about your fish. It's clear that you care a lot about them. I enjoy your enthusiasm for aquascaping and you've given me lots of ideas. Thank you and Happy Holidays.
I too have kept Discus for a very long time. You just never know what can happen. They are absolute Primadonnas at times it's part of the interest in keeping them. I did worry about two things watching your videos. You seemed to feed them only flakes (I might be wrong). These are massive fish and need a variety of foods. If you were feeding flakes just once a day that certainly isn't enough food for those beasts! The problem with a planted tank and yours was gorgeous by the way. (I loved looking at it and wondered how you managed to keep them so healthy), is that if there were pellets and other kinds of food settled on the bottom, they will spend hours grazing on the bottom. That isn't a bad thing despite what some will tell you. They probably can't in yours as it was so heavily planted. This also gives the less dominant ones more time to eat when the boss has finished getting their fill of food. That might explain one or two getting a little skinny. The tank now looks much more like a Discus tank should look with a few hiding places but much more room to get out of the way when scrapping with each other which they will always do. It also means more room for a few more Discus!! Nudge Nudge Wink Wink!! lol. Keep up the good work dude you are by far my favourite you tuber. You're passion is infectious to us all. I also love the way you listen to your fans and act upon their guidance. All the best for the new year and rest assured I will continue to watch you for a long time to come. Much Love Ste x
I'm sorry for the loss of your fin-baby, it was sad, for sure. Also wanted to say that the way you transfer the fish is so gentle and caring and careful. Such a nice experience as a viewer, and personally, is much appreciated. Thank you! I just started watching today and am so stoked to have found your channel :)
I have always been scared to venture into keeping Discus - I will keep watching as you share your journey - sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry, such a shock when you walk in and see that. He was beautiful 😔
The re do of the tank looks great and gives them so much more room.
one of the hidden killers is also Ich hidden in the gills, not popping up on the skin but directly attacking gills, the fish suffocates at some point, in the meantime getting emaciated.... I made this experience a few years ago...
Sorry for your loss, man. Don't giv up. You work is an example and inspiration for many people! Best regards from Brazil!!
So sorry to see you lost one of your discus again. I love how you show us everything and rescape looks fab xxxxx virtual hugs sent your way xxx
Oh man, so sad to see this. Glad you’re making some positive changes to their environment, though. The new temps at 30C should really help and I want to echo the comments on improving their diet. There really isn’t a flake food that seems to be a complete diet for Discus so I hope you’ll give them some beef heart daily for a few weeks to fatten them up. All of them do look a bit emaciated but I think you can turn them around.
Love what you do, MD. Keep at it!
Losing a fish really sucks! I feel for you. I lost my last German Blue to some type of infection that was treatment resistant.
Sorry for the loss MD. I live in Belgium and I ma in fishkeeping for over 50 years. I personality have seen the quality of fish gone down over the years, due to inbreeding, line breeding etc. I think we have heer the same problem as With koi. The high quality fish are strictly line bred nu have low resistance against parasites and so on. Try to use some kind of uvc (hydra filter system) or ozone and the problems will be gone. Grts, Stef
Agreed.
Discus I bred in the 80's & early 90's were F1 & F2 out of wild types. Started with 8 from one place, and 8 from another = 5 breeding pairs and definitely not inbred.
I quit breeding, and didn't keep live bearers for almost 30 years (haven't bred anything since 1999) and the bettas I got just before quarantine had major health struggles, and so have all the live bearers except for the endlers...
It is so frustrating when out of nowhere you have a dead fish and no culprit as off what happened. I like the new aquascape, you really are an amazingly talented artist, seriously!
Thank you for sharing this trauma with us. Educational to hear and see your process, especially for us beginners
I believe they may have some internal parasites as if you look at their stomachs they're still snuck in. Although good for plants, nitrates can create environments such parasites. I think with a basic internal parasites treatment and nice hot 30degree water would helps heaps. Love your vids btw, keep up the good work :)
do you think taking so much water out is the thing to do? I don't know...maybe to make sure there are no parasites..
Understand your feeling. I lost mine last week when she jump out from the tank. I had been keeping the fish for 1 year plus. 🥺
Sorry to hear about the Discus, tank looks great, but you mentioned "line of sight" breaks for the aggression?? Especially with the rescape and the breeding it might initiate.
Also might need to remove 1 of the 2 white lights, since the plants have been greatly reduced.
I'm under a minute in, and I just have to tell you that my deepest condolences. I've been watching you come and say hi to this school for a while now, and know how much they mean to you.
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Sorry for you loss. The fish looked healthy, so it might have rammed the glass, as a much more experienced Discus keeper than me already noted. (I remember noting this when researching for my own tank)
The skinny fish might be due to your limited number of discus. usually a rule of thumb is either a pair for breeding, 10+ fish in a group to avoid bullying. (Seen the effects of that in pet stores). Another reason for the skinny fish could be parasites, and I remember you feeding a large amount of defrosted worms. I cannot remember the details of the feed, but stendker. Stendker recommends that you avoid red mosquito larvae and Tubifex (live in unsanitary water), and Cyclopes are not recommended either as they are often infected with tape worms.
Crossing my fingers for the rest of the pack.
Sorry for that beautiful discus passing, I love how you keep your tanks. I which mine look like that thanks for sharing.
21:00 or so I realized how damn chill and zoned out that bud got me and how awesome the video quality is of those fish!
So sorry you lost fish. But the new aquascape looks much better! Much more space for them to swim should help with aggression.
So sorry MD on the loss of one of your precious discus. The new rebuild does look awesome though!
Sorry for your loss MD, always a shame to lose a fish, especially one u have had for so long. Our thoughts are with you
Sorry for the loss. 😞I know the feeling as a fellow fishkeeper, but for what it's worth, it is a part of life. Though very sad, its an even more important part of the life cycle. Thank you for sharing. These instances I feel bring us closer as fishkeepers, and makes our hobby much more personable. Keep it going! 👊🏾
This setup actually matches the stone background on the wall behind it!
Aces all Around!
I love it when people talk about how we should avoid keeping cories on anything but smooth sand and gravel. It's so wrong. In the wild, as you noted Cory at Aquarium Co-op showed, their environment is rough gravels and sands. Nothing smooth. And they do great in the wild!
It seems sooner or later, most discus keepers end up with lightly planted tanks at most (for discus). It's sad what happened, but the tank really cleaned up and fish look happy.
RIP 🐟 Fishy. You just never know what goes on with fish unless it's obvious. Bless you merry Christmas 🎅 🎄 ❤
That was very sad. I know that you're giving them a wonderful home and are very solicitous with their care. Sometimes this is just happens....🙁
So sorry for your lose buddy definitely made me sad I know the discuss are some of your favorites, hopefully the new scape will bring you enjoyment and help distract from the loss, maybe some new discus buddies would help as well, keep up the great work man your an inspiration to us all 👏✊🙏
It's always sad to lose a fish, but I feel like I was able to learn what to do, just in case I encounter the same situation. The footage of the tank after the re-scape was beautiful! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
We all have our good share of loss of fish, but that is just part of this hobby mate! Merry Christmas and looking forward to more great videos in 2022!
Merry Christmas MD
I stumbled across ur channel today and this channel is awesome dude. I love nature especially tropical/clear waters and I'd love to have a tank like one of yours. I wouldn't be able to properly care for it as I know nothing but it's very entertaining to watch. Def one of my new favorite channels, hands down.
oh no! so so sorry for your loss :( I hope you get to the bottom to this asap. Please don't let it ruin the festive season. All the best to you, your loved ones and all the beautiful fishies and plants
So sorry for your loss. Rip little fish. You gave it a great life and home.
Sorry for your loss but honestly love what you do. You videos are inspiring and appreciated, Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I'm so sorry that this happened!! Hopefully all the others continue to thrive!!
You can really tell you're super sad about the discus with how the tone of your voice is and that, sorry for the loss its hard losing something you grow a bond with even if people see it as just a fish, they're no less than a dog or a cat really, hope you come to a full conclusion of what it was with the cause of death, keep safe and keep smashing the videos out 👌
I’m so sorry! They’re such beautiful fish and were so healthy! I hope you can get a couple new ones soon.
Check out George Farmer`s videos about his Discus tank... he struggled too and had to re-scape to an non-planted tank and since his Discus thrive... the amount of food that is needed to keep them happy and the debris/poop that makes it into the soil/ground ( which I would have reduced by atleast 2/3 ) will be a struggle for them if you not siphon and do weekly 50% water changes.... sorry for your loss.
When my discus have looked thin like that and I feed them a lot. I treat them with esha hexamita and esha gdex at the same time (it’s allowed) and it’s worked like a treat. No problems after and they start putting on weight again. +++ beefheart😂 sorry for your loss
Sorry for your loss mate. It’s always gutting when you loose a fish. I lost one of my Betta’s a little while ago in a freak accident. Was heartbroken. It sucks and I hope that the tank and all the other fishies are all ok
Ah that's hard. Pets are family and we all love our pets ❤ sorry you lost him. Hope you have a good Christmas still MD & all all reading
Sorry about the discus 😔 he was a beauty. Thank you for choosing to share it all tho. Finger crossed 🤞🏻 you get some spawning with the new set up 🙏🏻🤗
RIP its hard to lose animals you love, hope everything gets good
My discus all thrive better in a slightly black water setup, so it’s easier to give up on the crystal clear water, and work along side a heavy based bogwood setup and keep the water with its tannins higher.
Also temp for them works better at 30 degrees going slightly higher than your using.
But I adore discus they are just stunning- the jewel of the fish keeping world ❤
Sorry for your lost, may be its the size of the tank, to small for 5 Discus fish a bigger tank may help, love your youtube channel very informative.
Sad to see that MD. Have you seen the videos from George Farmer on his Discus tank, and the issues he ran into as well? His Discus tank was heavy planted and he went completely the other way with amazing results for the fish. Maybe worth to have a looksy if you still have worries about the fish.
But mds fish aren’t going dark
So sorry for your loss mate we all know how much work and effort you put in your aquariums and fish family.
Wow! The simplicity of the new set up looks so much better!!
I hate you lost a discus it was a stunner. They may need a deworming for safety sake. That is a costly loss as well.
On a second point, may you have a very merry Christmas with you family. May you have a blessed and joyful holidays.
Sorry for the loss of the discus...Its so hard to loose a fish. The new scape looks amazing and in my opinion its better than before. I think less is more when your have big beautiful fish as the show piece in a tank. The before set up was gorgeous...cant have too many plants haha but the plants took away from your beautiful Discus fish.
Sorry about your loss. But just like a good keeper would, you got right to work to try to make it better. Although I sure don't think it had anything to do with quality. I like the new set up, I think it will be better for them.
I hope you think about replacing them at some point, I really like watching your discus tank, I can't have that big of a tank so I live through yours. 😊 Great job.
MD!!! I was literally gonna buy your Thicc hoodie last week but then got the hint my gf got me one…I just opened it and the fit IS AWESOOOOOME!! Easily my favorite hoodie, thanks MD!! Happy holidays!!!
So sorry mate that’s heartbreaking losing fish is always hard but when it’s a favourite fish you’ve had for a long time it’s even worse.
Bitter sweet idea, that sucks MD. Keep a good eye on them, I'd treat for parasites just in case though
sorry for your loss MD. Maybe a couple more discus - would help with any future aggression and would make the existing feel super safe.....
Very sorry for your loss. He was so beautiful. And such mysterious loss always leaves one wondering... Very unsettling. But keep your chin up. Its just nature I guess.
Scaping is the hardest with these guys, as the water quality is very important. I had mine and took away the initial substrate to ensure that they can eat well and I can better manage a cleaner tank all the time.
I'm sorry for your loss. I know it's not much of a comfort, but try to remember you gave him a good quality of life.
Sorry for your loss MD. I think the re-scape looks great an will suit the discus well.
Got an orange stendker discus that’s swimming vertical and swollen abdomen as well. Tried Baytril as stendker recommended and well as methertrexate and it hasn’t shifted it. 😞. Totally lost as you what to
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